#protection
cerulean tusk
crude notch
lmao
well now i'm bored
hey funky say something stupid and controversial again.
🙂
cerulean tusk
Nah, you are just boring, not bored
oblique garnet
crude notch
daring marlin
hmmmm lfr argument
slow pawn
im being forced to help 3 tank skarn bombs - does block work on the bombs if anyone knows?
daring marlin
I had to scroll back to see this lmao
sick sentinel
when yogi thinks about past experiewnces in lfr
wheres the booze gotta drink the pain away
green frost
Could anyone tell me which dungeons we should be taking spell block for in m+? I still haven't figured out all the blockable deadly spells on +16 keys. ty ty
strong forum
Neltharus and Uldaman
cerulean tusk
List is in the pins 
green frost
Neltharus and Uldaman
Ty
restive crown
why do we need spell block in uldaman ya?
ruby musk
@slow pawn I believe it's just shield wall and ignore pain on the bombs.
strong forum
fire boss, last boss and theres a few magic slappas aswell
green frost
Bromach is hurting me on tyranical and that spreadsheet explains why
crude notch
hmmmm lfr argument
did you enjoy it. 🙂
proper roost
hey funky say something stupid and controversial again.
people who take spell block for all keys suck at the game
Couldn't really figure out anything that controversial sorry
proper roost
It's controversial that it's not controversial
crude notch
now go to your room
cerulean tusk
daring marlin
did you enjoy it. 🙂
I learned that LFR prevents people from raiding!
proper roost
crude notch
I learned that LFR prevents people from raiding!
lmao, right who knew?
ruby musk
Is there ever a reason to be in prot stance for raid (or in general)?
I thought we just use prot stance as another defensive if needed
crude notch
correct
cerulean tusk
I learned that LFR prevents people from raiding!
You be surprised how many that want to get into raiding. They go LFR, they think it was boring and dull. That this is what raiding is. As such, never starts raiding.
cerulean tusk
I have, yep
crude notch
If they find LFR boring and you guys say it's the wild west of crazy, well then any other raiding will be boring
ruby musk
How can LFR be boring and dumb? I get tons of entertainment watching shitters die in spectacular ways.
cerulean tusk
Ain't fun for the shitters, sadly.
ruby musk
Then I hope their deaths give them good lessons in being better next time.
crude notch
if lfr is boring and frustrating then what makes you think they're gonna enjoy a higher level of raiding?
ruby musk
If any level of raiding, I find normal the most boring.
sick sentinel
i found out mythic + style "affixes" exist for doom, and thats a lot of fun, so i've been tinkering with that past few days
imps throw smoke bombs or some shit
cerulean tusk
if lfr is boring and frustrating then what makes you think they're gonna enjoy a...
The social aspect in normal guilds are usually very welcoming and fun. The raid becomes more a social experience than anything, then with gradual improvement they move on to HC or mythic.
LFR is just a dead zone.
crude notch
ah yes, the true rags to riches story, from int'ing in LFR to World First Raider.
((For legal purposes, since I have to go back to this, this was a joke.))
proper roost
i think mostly most casuals have no idea what is happening in a raid or dungeon
did you guys see this one
I kinda feel bad ngl. if youre not familiar with mmos, its very overwhelming
crude notch
that's gotta be someone in here
proper roost
Like we have been trained a LOT to identify the patterns in wow
if you have none of that training then even a +5 key is very overwhelming
I have "coached" friends through every pack of most keys this season and its extremely revealing how overwhelmed a lot of them feel
Like mostly people playing first 1-2 weeks are trying to learn their basic rotations lol, add kicks and stops and learning mobs to that and they get frazzled quick
cerulean tusk
True and true. The angst to Frikk up is real
proper roost
- a lot of "what did I even die to/what even happened/why are we wiping"
Thats what lfr is for most people I imagine, they dont know any of the boss mechanics, things just sorta happen around them
cerulean tusk
LFR is still a mess where if not carried, they will wipe for hours.
crude notch
ah yes the common comparing LFR to a +16
proper roost
So even tho mostly it doesnt matter it adds to this feeling that it's an incoherent mess
even tho for anyone who has been "trained" it's all pretty coherent
cerulean tusk
LFR is not a solution at all. Guilds and social aspects are
crude notch
What are you trying to make it a solution for?
cerulean tusk
For people overwhelmed by the feeling of performance angst
Play with a team on the same page, and it is solved. You also will have a ton more fun longterm
crude notch
what does lfr have to do with that feedback?
cerulean tusk
Read the line over where LFR talk begun
sick sentinel
my doom wad has spiteful affix even too!
crude notch
It's not ground breaking news that playing this game with friends is more enjoyable
proper roost
for my part I just mentioned it tangentially
cerulean tusk
You did
proper roost
I am cute
sick sentinel
the friends wont play in the first place if whats presented isn't enjoyable
proper roost
jordan is mad because not as cute as me
sick sentinel
i agree with you jordon, but there is a bigger picture to that issue
crude notch
i'm not mad at anything lol i'm barely even paying attention to this conversation
cerulean tusk
Ye, 20sec rule, I know
crude notch
i agree with you jordon, but there is a bigger picture to that issue
issue of what? any game is more enjoyable with friends, not just wow
lol
daring marlin
You be surprised how many that want to get into raiding. They go LFR, they think...
Alternatively people don't get into raiding because of the social aspect. Maybe a smaller raid size would entice people into giving it a shot.
It's weird that you think it's because LFR is "dull and boring".
hazy hazel
Gotta have friends first.
crude notch
bring back 10m raiding!
daring marlin
bring back 10m raiding!
💯
cerulean tusk
Alternatively people don't get into raiding _because_ of the social aspect. Mayb...
Fair, but we both agree that LFR format is not the way. Raid size is no matter to me as a point.
daring marlin
inb4 lol just do 10man normal and heroic
crude notch
my first guild was a 10m raiding guild in ICC, was so cozy.
sick sentinel
i think bring back staying in a guild and givng a fuck about those people is core
or part of the core
crude notch
bring back?
sick sentinel
cuz, right now, i personally got no affiliation with guild im in
cerulean tusk
my first guild was a 10m raiding guild in ICC, was so cozy.
10man was actually cozy, then 25 the same week for pog raid. Both is still kind a thing with 226
crude notch
cuz, right now, i personally got no affiliation with guild im in
that's on you
daring marlin
Fair, but we both agree that LFR format is not the way. Raid size is no matter t...
I just disagree that LFR dissuades people from trying raiding. In fact, I have friends that try LFR before going into normal/heroic to get a feel for a boss.
proper roost
jordan (mad because not cute)
Discord name
daring marlin
hazy hazel
RWF hype stops this gaming from doing what it should have done a long time ago.
Lower raid size to 12 (2-2/3-7/8) or less.
Make engaging difficulties that are completable in a decent amount of time (6-10 weeks).
Make ultra tough encounters meant for the cutting edge groups give transmog/titles and don’t even feel remotely required for performance enhancement.
Oh snap, I just described FFXIV.
cerulean tusk
I just disagree that LFR dissuades people from trying raiding. In fact, I have f...
Think of it from a fresh player perspective. You got no guild and little drive, but you are curious...
So you decide to not go normal (as it is more effort and is scarier), you go LFR as you only got to qué and wait.
You get in, it is a mess. You don't know what is going on at all. In chat people are flaming or trolling. You spend most of the time either dead or on panicmode as things happen that you don't understand.
So the player leaves with that feeling. Never to raid again. When alternative would beginnings of friendship if he took the step towards a normal guild first.
crude notch
RWF hype stops this gaming from doing what it should have done a long time ago.
Lower raid size to 12 (2-2/3-7/8) or less.
Make engaging difficulties that are completable in a decent amount of time (6-10 weeks).
Make ultra tough encounters meant for the cutting edge groups give transmog/titles and don’t even feel remotely required for performance enhancement.
Oh snap, I just described FFXIV.
Think of it from a fresh player perspective. You got no guild and little drive, but you are curious...
So you decide to not go normal (as it is more effort and is scarier), you go LFR as you only got to qué and wait.
You get in, it is a mess. You don't know what is going on at all. In chat people are flaming or trolling. You spend most of the time either dead or on panicmode as things happen that you don't understand.
So the player leaves with that feeling. Never to raid again. When alternative would beginnings of friendship if he took the step towards a normal guild first.
hazy hazel
Worst part is watching the race has turned into me watching 719 chaotic splits, for 20s of prog.
quiet minnow
issue of what? any game is more enjoyable with friends, not just wow
It’s not just more enjoyable with friends, the game is straight up unplayable as a new player without them. I helped a number of friends get into wow and it takes like an entire month of handholding to teach them 18 years of systems
And that’s just getting them to an “ok they are now a decent player”
cerulean tusk
It is, but at what cost?
proper roost
still not mad
lol confirmed not cute (loopholed idiot)
hazy hazel
It is, but at what cost?
Attendance boss mythic level encounter
cerulean tusk
quiet minnow
Attendance boss mythic level encounter
That’s just always going to be the hardest boss as long as mythic+ exists
crude notch
getting into this game at any point of it's life time took a while to get "decent", i have no idea what bar decent is to some so
the above was in reply to Bruniss
to be very clear
cerulean tusk
Decent is when someone starts to fulfill the requirements of their role, I guess more or less.
crude notch
Who's setting the arbitrary requirements?
sick sentinel
Attendance boss mythic level encounter
quiet minnow
By decent I mean I’m inviting them to do content with me and it’s not a hard carry imo
sick sentinel
this wow thingy i downloaded from im not sure, has attendance tracker
quiet minnow
Like they are fulfilling the same spot as an average pug
sick sentinel
i would need the addon that goes with it
cerulean tusk
So they fulfill their roles? Yep it still holds up so far
quiet minnow
And yeah it took a while at other points too but it takes like 3 days for someone just to understand the upgrade system right now lol
crude notch
there's people that have been playing the game for 20 years that can't comprehend the upgrade system
despite it actually being quite straightforward
cerulean tusk
That is weirdly true
crude notch
RWF hype stops this gaming from doing what it should have done a long time ago.
...
If I wanted to play FFXIV, I'd just go play FFXIV, it's okay that the two games are different.
now i can reply to all you weirdoes
hazy hazel
WoW is just so individually geared. Let's say you come back and decide to give WoW a shot with some friends. Arbitrarily let's say 6 friends. Even if you all play at a decent level (H/M level raiders of varying caliburs), good luck finding a raiding guild to absorb all of you. You're either going to be raiding with people hard struggling through normal with very little drive to go on out of that every tier, or you'll get rejected or cherry picked apart by other guilds you apply to.
So then you go to the other avenue of starting your own guild with the intent of going into M Raiding. Except all of your candidates are either looking for their stepping stone, or use A/D to turn, and have either zero learning capacity to step up or zero desire to step up. Not to mention the 100,000 straw hut guilds you're competing with every season release.
The game is no friend group friendly, unless your friend group is made from you already being established in a guild and your friend group is made of that guild.
cerulean tusk
True enough, only you can still be friends in different guilds
hardy snow
raid in different guilds, go M+ together, problem solved
crude notch
Think of it from a fresh player perspective. You got no guild and little drive, ...
If you're a new player 99 times out of 100 at this point you're doing it because you have a friend that's already playing, imo. The feedback screenshot is probably the other 1.
For me anyways, I'm not getting into a 20 year old MMORPG without knowing someone who plays, almost everyone I've met that joined since BfA joined because some friend played.
hardy snow
playing with friends doesnt mean you HAVE to play all the time with this pack of friends
hazy hazel
Does noone work with families. Raiding is the majority of my time in game after initial season grinds.
crude notch
WoW is just so individually geared. Let's say you come back and decide to give W...
I think if you have a group of 6 friends, you're starting your own guild, not joining one as 6.
Even if a guild could take on 6 people that's a risky play
hazy hazel
I think if you have a group of 6 friends, you're starting your own guild, not jo...
Absolutely risky, I wouldn't do it as a GM. Everything about those 6 are tied together. One isn't happy, then 6 aren't happy.
crude notch
And I don't think that's a case that's common or a case that is really something blizzard needs to give an iota of a moment thinking about.
toxic pewter
Ware goblin
crude notch
your anus
toxic pewter
Coords?
crude notch
69, 420
toxic pewter
hazy hazel
And I don't think that's a case that's common or a case that is really something...
Well when it affects you it sucks.
toxic pewter
Suks to suk
crude notch
For sure, but what can blizzard even do, make flex raiding 6-35?
daring marlin
these mf padders in HoI21
hazy hazel
20 man raiding is a dead concept.
toxic pewter
Friends only hold u back true gamer is 1 man wolf pack pug lyfe 4 ever
crude notch
It is every difficulty should be flex imo
apb on that good ish
Wait
Speaking of apb
hazy hazel
We have made a guild and have about 12-14 raiders. We're decently successful, but trying to recruit those last 6-7 bodies.
toxic pewter
Uh oh
toxic pewter
crude notch
which honestly should be right now.
Anyways, I think 20 man mythic raiding needs to be flexed or squished a little (maybe even 15) as the game gets smaller and smaller they have to mold around the reducing numbers to make it still enjoyable for the rest of us lifers.
Let me serve out my prison sentence of life playing WoW happily, thank you.
toxic pewter
crude notch
esports is dying as a whole, so orgs are less able to support RWF, and viewership keeps getting lower and lower so eventually it'll be a much smaller thing, unless moneybags TL orchestrates RWF but who knows if Blizzard will let them. This isn't to say I agree with the RWF is why we have 20m raiding still, but it might be a factor, who knows.
crude notch
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
alright time to go to bed.
I heard they might be removing haste.
toxic pewter
I think it’s better for the game if they do
vital oak
I think part of it is the age of the playerbase. It's ageing as well as shrinking. A lot of us have kids now and don't have the time to watch streams.
Google says the average age is up to 31.
crude notch
the average age of what?
vital oak
wow players.
crude notch
all esports are dying, it's not financially sustainable, right now, sponsors find it easier to go with individual streamers than whole orgs, so the whole landscape is going to change 5 years from now and that will have an impact on high-end raiding for WoW.
vital oak
Maybe, maybe not. Act/Bliz get no direct moneys from the race.
crude notch
I mean it's going to impact high-end raiding.
It's not a maybe or maybe not
We already saw it with Big Dumb Guild.
Golden Guardians dropped out.
vital oak
So is time in general. When I started playing there wasn't any kind of Mythic. I think it's reductive to blame one source.
vital oak
ahh, my bad. came in late.
crude notch
Hell I even said I don't know if I necessarily agree with the RWF being why we have 20m raiding still.
proper roost
go to sleep
vital oak
I don't believe it is. I think that the highest level "difficulty" requires a set number to tune to the best of their abilities. Flex just isn't the same.
crude notch
Yes but that doesn't mean they can't change the number to 15.
So why is it still 20, even with substantially reduced subs.
crude notch
go to sleep
well i was, but now that you told me to i ain't
tulip harness
Is there any way through talents or anything to get a hard CC that permanently removes incorporeals as prot? It's pure agony to pug without one
vital oak
2/4/9? 2/3/10? Would make it harder for them to have any kind of split mechanics.
proper roost
ok suffer through bad take arguments then!!
hazy hazel
2/4/9? 2/3/10? Would make it harder for them to have any kind of split mechanics...
8, 12, 16.
daring marlin
It would make tanks more sought after as well.
hazy hazel
We just need an even number..
Roles will adjust to raid needs.
and then tuned from there.
vital oak
lotsa tanks right now it seems, harder to find heals.
daring marlin
bruh
First time for that
Tanks have been getting the shaft for expansions if they wanna raid.
crude notch
You fixated on the number 15 too hard
vital oak
I just feel like lowering the number also lowers the difficulty. It's much harder to get 20 people moving in one direction than 10.
crude notch
and not the idea of them reducing the number period.
daring marlin
9/10 if you like to tank and want to raid you got that spot because the guild raid tank quit.
crude notch
I just feel like lowering the number also lowers the difficulty. It's much harde...
You're right they should've kept it at 40m
daring marlin
I just feel like lowering the number also lowers the difficulty. It's much harde...
And that's a problem...how?
crude notch
-_-
proper roost
dragonflight has actually required healers to heal in keys which is hurting the healer population
it kinda owns actually
crude notch
Like you can make hard 10 man fights
hazy hazel
I just feel like lowering the number also lowers the difficulty. It's much harde...
This is totally untrue. Lowering the number artificially lowers the difficulty because you no longer need 20 people to do their job
hazy hazel
It's easier to find 10 competent people than 20...than 40...etc
vital oak
the 40 man raids were just big, not hard.
daring marlin
It's not gonna arbitrarily be easier. Did you play when it was 10v25man?
because there were bosses significantly harder on 10 than 25 and vice versa.
vital oak
yup, since vanilla.
daring marlin
Coulda fooled me given what you said.
crude notch
yea
vital oak
? maybe it's cause i've always played in a guild with friends.
hazy hazel
10H vs 25H had tons of fights that were god awful on 10m.
vital oak
easier to find people to play with
daring marlin
actual nightmare
crude notch
Actually shivered.
vital oak
mag was fine, i was frost dk. everything was kosher.
crude notch
Ah you're a braindead dps player, makes sense that you'd say things were fine.
hazy hazel
mag was fine, i was frost dk. everything was kosher.
so you bound HB to mouse wheel up and drank coffee while playing.
daring marlin
this dick was annoying on 10 too
daring marlin
I liked the fight
crude notch
I was sat on that fight
vital oak
for mag, yup, drag the adds in circles, smack the boss when he was faceplanted.
daring marlin
actually
daring marlin
throne of the four winds in general was annoying with 10 people
It wasn't made easier with less people like you said
vital oak
also 25. the thing i hated was the different loot tables where we had to run both raids.
proper roost
Ah you're a braindead dps player, makes sense that you'd say things were fine.
tank player says what
daring marlin
cata/mop were the same loot 10/25 and shared the lockout
crude notch
tank player says what
I've raided as every role, 🙂
vital oak
yeah, sorry brain was still on mag.
crude notch
I've actually raided more as healer than tank and I've only dps'd all of two tiers.
daring marlin
I've raided as every role, 🙂
I have also raided every role
hazy hazel
Yee, when Paragon passed the crown of 25H raiding and went down to 10m HC raiding.
crude notch
Arcane Mage in FL and BM Hunter in Uldir.
hazy hazel
Think recruiting is hard...imagine requiring all your raiders to speak Finnish.
stark sandal
Any good PWar people to check out on twitch/youtube that are doing higher keys?
crude notch
The only thing that's easier with 10m v. 25m is socially related stuff.
hazy hazel
Which is the biggest hurdle today. Getting reliable raiders that aren't treating guilds like drive through service.
crude notch
Eh, that was always the case if you were interested in climbing.
We'd yoink from lower guilds all the time in my guild on my old dead server in Wrath and Cata.
toxic pewter
Which is the biggest hurdle today. Getting reliable raiders that aren't treating...
sir, this is a wendys
crude notch
you're a wendys
toxic pewter
thatsa good idea, goin to wendy for breakfast... they no me their
crude notch
ready to tuck me in @proper roost ?
proper roost
not for an ugly
toxic pewter
🤔
crude notch
read me a bedtime story, please.
proper roost
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nD8y1az0ry6YCPWHWu818t7AETW1vcmNhKM...
I'll read you the entirety of this post because it's really good
Needs more attention tbh
toxic pewter
i dont no how 2 read
crude notch
I'd rather drink a bottle of nyquil to fall asleep thanks.
toxic pewter
hazy hazel
It had me at "flying"
daring marlin
NL is the worst still
amazing
They need to delete the hands
until the bug is fixed
crude notch
The bug where it does the damage before the game actually clap
daring marlin
0/3 for keys today
crude notch
Oh shit
daring marlin
Hmmm, yes. What bug is that which people have spoken about in this discord a handful of times? I am quite intelligent.
fuckin' YOGI knew exactly what it was
crude notch
sick sentinel
i used my power of perception
proper roost
that's
not a bug tho
it worked that way in legion too
just don't move randomly
sick sentinel
and i read the words on the screen and evaluated what they could possibly mean, and came up with a working theory
daring marlin
The hands spawning instantly closed=not a bug.
Yes, double down on the incredibly stupid thing you said.
sick sentinel
so the hands is a get clapped or git gud thing?
daring marlin
It's the usual for you.
sick sentinel
skill issue 420 360 69 meme shit posting
proper roost
also is it not sunday for you folks
proper roost
are you ok lol
daring marlin
I'm fantastic. I just find it weird how your brain functions.
I couldn't imagine lifting my head up from the pillow daily thinking I'm gonna be the well ackshually guy.
sick sentinel
maybe the race he plays is large or small such as gnome or tauren
so, he perceives the hands hitting him as unfair
proper roost
reducing saturated fat intake helps lower your cholesterol
sick sentinel
i think i have worked out the issue
proper roost
😺
daring marlin
I've never had it happen to me. I did, however, have it happen to three of the DPS in my run. Multiple times.
Ah, so you're stupid when it comes to nutrition as well. That's not a surprise.
daring marlin
Alternatively they legit spawned already in the clapped position.
sick sentinel
there is a saying i learned of in the past months and it is let him cook, let the man say his bit and fully explain what he's gettin at
and i feel like it applies here, whoevers talkin about the hands
sick sentinel
i have probably never expericned this issue, so, im not able to say my pov
proper roost
make sure to reflect the toxic retch
daring marlin
I should find bigwade's video of it happening to his SPriest.
proper roost
you can do most of them (miss one every rotation ish)
daring marlin
Kanga tell us about more stuff you're ignorant about
sick sentinel
i saw andybrew on warrior, and he just baits the puddle to same location every time
proper roost
well by the virtue of being ignorant of something, you naturally wouldn't know what you're ignorant of
sick sentinel
stanss in the fire with heals till boss goes to leap
craggy pilot
make sure to reflect the toxic retch
was on my healer this time 😄
proper roost
my cholesterol is low though (i don't eat saturated fats)
craggy pilot
trying to play all roles so i understand the dungeons better
daring marlin
The implication is I want you to talk about something you think you're proficient at
craggy pilot
but holy shit that boss hurts man
proper roost
was on my healer this time 😄
it do be that way
there are a LOT of shit healers exposed in DF keys
daring marlin
Because you're a walking, talking example of the dunning-kruger effect.
sick sentinel
i have extreme negative amounts of fun when i play a healer
proper roost
you don't really seem the healer type yogi
daring marlin
my cholesterol is low though (i don't eat saturated fats)
I'm sure your T levels are incredibly low as well
craggy pilot
and then after the boss, the guy tells me i can dispell the toxic Retch 😄
daring marlin
KEK
sick sentinel
it's too much for me when im healing a group and we wipe or someone dies to stupid shit i could have save them
proper roost
I'm sure your T levels are incredibly low as well
yeah that's usually how biology works
ty for noticing
it's working poggers
proper roost
most gender affirming statement made on discord in months (ever)
sick sentinel
i n 2004 vanilla i played pepega paladin
daring marlin
pepegadin
proper roost
skyhold is for allies
sick sentinel
and then i rerolled to rogue
daring marlin
that was a weird time to be a pally brother
sick sentinel
like i said, i played this game so early i rem ember when u had to stop at each flight master
and if u didnt know connecting, GG
sick sentinel
that was the ONLY reliable fast travel besides portals
proper roost
Oh
that's the terrain thing
you don't tank him in the center (or stand near the center) because of it
sick sentinel
still is, taxi is best thing about wow
proper roost
Unironically unfixable because the terrain is what causes the issue
daring marlin
but it doesn't exist bro
proper roost
Yeah idk I just remember to move the boss away from the center no one stands there
works really good actually i think
isn't it cool how much of NL you can carry with boss positioning as a tank
daring marlin
Let me use my grip ability to prevent people from standing somewhere in a pug
proper roost
i always choose to tank it if possible very fun 😺
well usually I type out "don't stand in middle"
😺
daring marlin
It's weird how hard you try to be annoying, actually. Just skimming earlier and the weird shit you said at @crude notch
You're actually probably one of the weirdest people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with
proper roost
sorry other people on the internet do not live up to your standards of normalcy 😔
daring marlin
no maidens
proper roost
i hope you can move past your hangsup someday!
daring marlin
touch grace
sick sentinel
if you take the acronym for warrior you get war and if you reverse you get raw which is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Dj5G1kaqI
daring marlin
sorry other people on the internet do not live up to your standards of normalcy ...
More like you're just creepy dude
They didn't really engage and you just kept saying it
toxic pewter
kinda wild how people still manage to screw up final boss of neltharus O_O
toxic pewter
yeah I guess people need that weakaura
just did a perfect nelth run
then it all melted down at final boss
like wat
proper roost
also occasionally i've had issues where the tank/healer pick up like
4
each
and i don't think they realize how much of a group grief it is
toxic pewter
thats just bad because if you get same item it overwrites it iirc
proper roost
that was my 20 this week, healer ran around and picked up several in a row
toxic pewter
and makes overall less items to use
proper roost
yes but also because you can't instabreak shield
with 3 separate people casting
we just had slightly long shields
toxic pewter
ah yeah
proper roost
it was alright but also annoying when people do that
toxic pewter
iirc if you dont break within 2seconds the fire swirlies keep coming
if you do break fast they stop
proper roost
i kinda wish the fire swirlies didn't start as soon as she starts casting the shield
but w/e
toxic pewter
that would be nice
proper roost
think atm for pugs it's mostly just a matter of people still learning the bosses
toxic pewter
but with their changes the boss is a lot easier just feel like a shame to ruin a run on her
loud wave
there's a really nice weakaura for it 😺
What is that weakaura?
proper roost
uh idk if i have a wago link because someone in a key linked it to me
but if you just search sargha treasures in wago there seem to be like 4 good ones
toxic pewter
do you guys pull the last 2 trash mob pulls together or seperate in nelth
you know those 2 dudes standing there
then the final big bird pack
proper roost
https://wago.io/aXzrjMVKw/3 Nvm it's this one
As a bonus it says "charge to target pepehands" when you have the bad one
which I for one find funny
toxic pewter
yeah the charge to target one sucks ass
proper roost
so the issue with doublepulling that, aside from it being giga damage on both you and the group is
the lavamancer relaly don't wanna move
toxic pewter
yah
proper roost
and if you're too slow about moving it and a ranged doesn't help kick 2-3x lava bolt in a row, then that guy is gonna cast in africa
toxic pewter
I decided i will only double pull if the timer is really tight
proper roost
the shield thing
toxic pewter
where if i dont do it we wont time it
proper roost
basically, you do need to double pull that in high keys to time (but those are w coordinated disc usually/people who know to use kick button)
but in 20 pugs i don't think you should
toxic pewter
Yeah its a risky pull things can go wrong with it
proper roost
i have never found the neltharus timer to be bad so like idk
doesn't seem necessary for just 20s
Like if you wipe on mammoth people will probably leave anyway
toxic pewter
yah so apparently i pulled mammoth too early and that phial or whatever despawned
was still in combat from the spiteful
noble prism
tier 4pc earthen tenacity, anyone anyone have, weak aura for this?
craggy pilot
is there a specific position for the Elephant in Neltharus for the lava waves to be easier?
my team of 2400 r.io got hard farmed by lava waves on 1st boss
and left after 3rd wipe
get gud angle i guess 🤔
sick sentinel
i got a 13 BH i should be running, but i dunno yet
probably want to drop it to 12 11
dusky mica
tier 4pc earthen tenacity, anyone anyone have, weak aura for this?
410218 is the spellid
limber temple
Anyone change profession this expansion yet?
limber temple
Im about to ditch mine... I give up on mining/engineering.
Have Engineering since Vanilla.
but urgh
limber temple
I am thinking herb/alch
craggy pilot
Im about to ditch mine... I give up on mining/engineering.
i have mining BS, but been thinking about dropping mining since i never really like mining in new expansions anyway
i just want to zoom through the lvls
sick sentinel
BFA i farmed out somethin like, 3000-4000 of the brown ore bought a bunch more to do professions
learn black smithin
limber temple
I used to have alc/eng in SL worked nicely as one made money and the other one sank it
Catching up with Herb/Alc is going to be awful
I have 31 points to go and Ive maxed engineering
toxic pewter
why would you give up engineering
I love my wyrmhole
engineering always been a nice quality of life prof
sick sentinel
i'd just make another toon if i wanted another profession and then never play that toon
limber temple
I love my wyrmhole
This was ok until I had dungeon portals everywhere which made life a tad easier.
Plus Dragonflying is such a joy I would rather just soar everywhere in DF
proper roost
is there a specific position for the Elephant in Neltharus for the lava waves to...
Somewhat close to the walls so it doesn't charge across the room
Just use eyeballs to look and see if melee DPS have free spots to dps from that allow for htis
Like kinda middleish
sick sentinel
i win button in dungeon when
proper roost
Also 2400 is kinda elo hell right now ngl, based on the caliber of players i keep running into on my shaman
craggy pilot
Elephant on Neltharus starts on 2 stacks always right?
like this guy is trolling me right?
daring marlin
2400-2700 feels like elo hell
Wish I kept pushing score more last week cuz people are giga dumb it seems
craggy pilot
i invited 2200 people for a +15 Neltharus
and they kill themself multiple times
its insane
score is giga inflated it seems like
craggy pilot
people with 2200 rating sounding like its their first time in the dungeon
😄
idk how
ripe seal
Mark of Dargrul or Elementium Pocket Anvil
daring marlin
both
ripe seal
Thinking of beacon from sarkareth + pocket anvil or mark, just dunno which one of those are better
craggy pilot
which ones do you have?
proud patrol
im currently at 5050 haste, should i start using the crit rune on weapon instead of haste? first penalty isnt that big but i was wondering whether that might be more efficient
craggy pilot
sim it
modern brook
im currently at 5050 haste, should i start using the crit rune on weapon instead...
Generally that line starts to form around 40% haste of raw stats idk the number for that though
Sim it
proud patrol
in aoe it still suggests haste rune, so i guess im going to keep that
modern brook
🙏
pure goblet
How can I simulate the embelish of shadowflame?
jagged pier
U just sim it in gear compare
quiet minnow
people with 2200 rating sounding like its their first time in the dungeon
It’s cause they discovered glory of just running own key. You can run your own key and with enough determination you will find enough groups of 4 ppl who can carry that eventually you’ll get to like 2700-2800
Even if you fail 4 of every 5 you will through enough effort gain rank and you can get hard carried till around there
daring marlin
It’s cause they discovered glory of just running own key. You can run your own k...
Sad but true. It's kinda brutal.
quiet minnow
Idk that it’s necessarily sad, it just makes rank a less reliable indicator of skill
daring marlin
Sad when you're deceived and invite 'em. 😉
ember tangle
I am tanking rashok mythic tonight, wondering how people are aiming the orbs ? It seems very random based on videos and stuff, but i heard it mentioned that they can be aimed
Mentioned in the videos i mean
toxic pewter
windfury totem can be 100% uptime, right?
like its not some major CD i dont know about or something correct?
some of these shaman need weak aura
vocal nimbus
windfury is always active if the shamman is in your group
cerulean tusk
"always up"
sick sentinel
is wind fury also for wanding classees and hunter
proper roost
like its not some major CD i dont know about or something correct?
The totem has no cd or cost to drop if it's talented, just the GCD
sick sentinel
or just melee
toxic pewter
The totem has no cd or cost to drop if it's talented, just the GCD
yeah just wild the shaman I just ran with I had 40% uptime on windfury
proper roost
powerful
toxic pewter
guy needs a weak aura to take over his entire screen
sick sentinel
i do like shadowpriest cuz they just instantly kill things, i think with SW:D
that helped alot on rare farming this week whenever one was around
reef haven
is the VP trinket really that good? When I sim it is -0% compared to a season 1 trinket (dungeon cleave)
simming it at 437
quiet minnow
i do like shadowpriest cuz they just instantly kill things, i think with SW:D
Or monk with touch of death
Huge fucking tods on rares and forti mobs
craggy pilot
It’s cause they discovered glory of just running own key. You can run your own k...
idk when i did my own key everyone signing up doesnt know the key 😄
idk where the actual players are
Just had resto shaman who didn't pick hex...
And had a ret paladin say he couldn't pick turn evil
When I asked why he just straight up left the grp 😂😂
daring marlin
is the VP trinket really that good? When I sim it is -0% compared to a season 1 ...
Not implemented in sims.
It is good, though. Does more than my 421 whetstone.
proper roost
main thing is SL healers were like
extremely babied role where you could have one of your worst players consistently in keys
if you're pugging healers most of them are still like that simple as tbh
have to be higher io for the bad ones to have filtered out
quiet minnow
idk when i did my own key everyone signing up doesnt know the key 😄
Only need to win every once in a while to gain rank tho
amber siren
IO stonks up while sanity stonks crash
left basalt
Irideus Fragment simming high for me as of yesterday? Did anyone else notice that trinket getting more value as of late?
proper roost
i haven't actually used it ever as prot but i'm pretty sure pressing ignore pain and shield block remove a stack
so I feel like that is an answer as to its actual strength
even putting aside the fact that prot stacks haste
daring marlin
i haven't actually used it ever as prot but i'm pretty sure pressing ignore pain...
Can confirm it does. 
I played with it on my pally til I got better trinkets. Prepopping on keys and with DT was pretty juicy at least.
proper roost
it simmed really well as fury for a bit for keys and I noticed when I prepopped it for keys and pressed battle shout before the key started (habitually) even that removes a stack
cringe trinket
toxic pewter
jesus another group getting owned by uldaman final boss..
these healers really seem to struggle on this one
sick sentinel
daring marlin
fuck that dot
toxic pewter
bring a pally
wait you talking about uldaman final boss or something else
toxic pewter
does it still leave the puddle on the ground
thats good idea though
that boss is just insane imo
final mist
these healers really seem to struggle on this one
Most healers are bad in every MMO I've seen tbh
toxic pewter
evoker got shut down hard just now
we cruised entire dungeon then he just melted down
final mist
People consider it "the easy role" and then get angry when it's not actually easy
sick sentinel
im just now learning there is a total different path for brackenhide
to go to north vs south boss
proper roost
nice yogi
right path is much easier, power to you
proper roost
this is a good time to learn it because going left on fortified will be bad news bears
final mist
And grab aggro on the lashers asap, they leave a nasty dot
daring marlin
left is prolly still aids despite them nerfing it
final mist
It'll fuck the dps and healers up
toxic pewter
wait a second, this is just another instance where its my fault I realized. If I was a prot pal, I would just freedom people and offheal, entire group would of succeeded probably
daring marlin
pepega dungeon
daring marlin
2nd
sick sentinel
and why, assumption is you don';t lust him cuz ????
daring marlin
cuz as it stands you should always go right
proper roost
you just do Treemouth 2nd every time
final mist
TM is easy, don't need lust
proper roost
It's not really because of the bosses, both treemouth and gutshot are jokes
daring marlin
left side is legitimately terrible
sick sentinel
so going left and up the hill is mistake?
toxic pewter
right side enables the skip so def need to go right
proper roost
it's because the trash when you go right is much easier, both in the middle section (can skip a lot of stuff) and in the final area
sick sentinel
thats what i always did before
i went up the hill
someone got a video of going to treemouth 2nd boss so i can see pov
this is the dratnos route i am viewing, its older
daring marlin
I can't get over how satisfying dropping beacon is
obscures my vision sometimes tho
fresh igloo
Is pull 17 bringing the slime pack up top
proper roost
i think that's probably just a misclick lul
fresh igloo
I've never seen those pulled
proper roost
i don't even know if those are within heroic throw range
fresh igloo
I guess adding some count with stinky could make sense?
fresh igloo
i don't even know if those are within heroic throw range
Yeah no idea
daring marlin
Would they just snap up? 
sick sentinel
thats the code for it
chances are i will end up removing all the notes he put and then put my own notes in order
like, i don't do this shit where i got 48 notes on the map and then 26 and 32 right beside the key start
craggy pilot
hmmm
any good guys? or do i just go for DPS trinkets 😄
i currently have 415 Windscar
proper roost
if you have a weapon already (should have crafted shield) you should generally be arms loot spec
outside of specific trinkets
VP one seems like the only one this season and MAYBE the NL one for raid tanking
toxic gyro
It’s decent tanking trinket, but on tyrannical none of the trash seems hard for us
proper roost
Well it isn't s1 anymore so a 415 whetstone is like
not good
the trinket you just looted is 437 if you just upgrade it
a signoll flare would have been 437 and singletarget just like whetstone
toxic gyro
Well it isn't s1 anymore so a 415 whetstone is like
Will still do more than defensive trinket you’ll press twice per dungeon
sick sentinel
season 2 started and i immediately got stuck with treethmouth trinket first key i ran
toxic gyro
Not the worst trinket to have tho if you struggle defensively in any dungeon
I used it decent amount last week, bolstering and fortified with ppl being dumb was rough sometimes
craggy pilot
yea im thinking its like the Aegis from last expac
but it suffers in DPS though
idk if thats any fun 😄
hmm 437 Splinter is -3.6% dps
compared to Whetstone
strong forum
well yeah
sick sentinel
its noteworthy that all DR's i could find like reflect and sheild wall all reduce the dmg you take when you use that
strong forum
its a defensive trinket vs a dps trinket
craggy pilot
ok so i guess i need to be Prot loot spec for VP and Neltharus
craggy pilot
its a defensive trinket vs a dps trinket
i know, just trying to see how big my loss would be 🙂
guess ill keep it in my bag for now
sick sentinel
note it only did 22k actual dmg to me
because it immediately applies the shield and the shield takes 50% of the total, i think
proper roost
i mean no i would not be prot loot spec for neltharion's lair
not neltharus btw
unless you still need a forgestorm
sick sentinel
i probably wont get one any time soon
craggy pilot
i had no luck with raid trinkets yet
proper roost
i don't think anyone has actually quantified how good heart of thunder is vs raid damage trinkets, which several are much better than the M+ ones this season
Well it's literally week 3 so like
Not having them now is irrelevant
copper lava
quick dumb q but if I put the tiered sockets on a neck, then upgrade it with crests and such after will I lose the gems and sockets?
craggy pilot
i know, but still makes sense to do Prot loot spec in VP then
idk why youre arguing that
craggy pilot
quick dumb q but if I put the tiered sockets on a neck, then upgrade it with cre...
no, they stay
daring marlin
ok so i guess i need to be Prot loot spec for VP and Neltharus
Fury loot spec for Neltharus if you need forgestorm imo
craggy pilot
Fury loot spec for Neltharus if you need forgestorm imo
ah ye true, good shout
copper lava
awesome just got the VP neck 🙂
craggy pilot
or idk, takes out the shield and puts in a weird trinket instead 🤔
craggy pilot
which doesnt sound very good
copper lava
Which one? There are fuckin' three
haste/vers
daring marlin
by all means go prot if you need shield too
daring marlin
So you're saying you don't need shield then
craggy pilot
nah probably not 😄
daring marlin
😉
craggy pilot
so Fury/Prot for Nelth, depending on the power of that trinket
and Prot for VP
arms for rest
proper roost
trinket is dogshit for dps idk about tanks tho
dodging the shield is probably good though, having the flexibility to play fury (since it's actually really good this season) is good if you like
ever play with friends or w/e
copper lava
started gearing my prot war and I got a 389 forgestorm and it did 7% of my damage lmao
wet compass
how much is the shadowflame armor patch worth on average? trying to decide if I should put a flavor pocket on shield or the armor patch since I just got back to working on warrior
proper roost
they're very cheap now
i think they buffed the droprate since week 1 or maybe just a lot more people realized that aberrus is extremely easy to clear
craggy pilot
is there a way to sim the Shadowflame Patch in Droptimizer?
proper roost
and just a lot more alt runs and shit
proper roost
powerful calculation inc
flavor pocket = 0 dps gain
shadowflame patch = >0 dps gain
(sim it)
craggy pilot
just wanna compare it to shit like Lariat and Frostfire belt
wet compass
yeah pretty much would also require recrafting belt or lariat slot since I'm using those still
cunning knot
BV or Fueled by Violence in raids?
shut summit
i used fbv on mythic mag, did 482k healing, if i were using BV it would have given me like 1.1mil more ip
definitely sticking with bv
i havent tested if non-class abilities count into that shit though, does it?
timber nest
what is the proper way to do 3rd boss in uldaman?
just stun him every time he tries to empower?
or is there a way to prevent him from using the stun immune thing
shut summit
stun stomp on dot overlaps if the group doesnt have CDs to live it
shut summit
i used fbv on mythic mag, did 482k healing, if i were using BV it would have giv...
discounting trinkets / ring procs etc it still puts BV at like 763k vs the 482k from fbv, so still better
final mist
i havent tested if non-class abilities count into that shit though, does it?
I can test it out later today
shut summit
just tried beacon and definitely didnt
final mist
Not surprised it doesn't
odd nimbus
there was a weakaura someone linked before which showed you hitting the diminishing returns on secondary stats anyone have that?
covert aurora
for a mostly prot tank, when I dps, should I fury or arms this tier? I'm more familiar with arms. logs show fury median ahead of arms, but, doesn't look like much.
daring marlin
there was a weakaura someone linked before which showed you hitting the diminish...
@sick sentinel he's calling for you
sick sentinel
True Stat Values found on curseforge
odd nimbus
thanks mate
jagged pier
there was a weakaura someone linked before which showed you hitting the diminish...
i mean thats kinda a moot point as we go past that on haste anyway
strong forum
definitely sticking with bv
ye ive found brv still more impactful overall
strong forum
brv = brutal vitality
flint tulip
already got that
strong forum
yeah that was meant for arsin
flint tulip
ah
strong forum
have warlocks and rogues apply curse of exhaustion and numbing poison
that greatly changes how quickly you accumulate stacks
flint tulip
ya our blood dk has the bosses 90% of the time
but at the end of each phase it gets close with debuff time
flint tulip
have warlocks and rogues apply curse of exhaustion and numbing poison
thats actually great, we got both
rogue wants dps from other poison tho kek
strong forum
whats better
you killing the boss
or the rogue doing a few % more dmg but still wiping
flint tulip
thats what im saying
odd nimbus
brv = brutal vitality
BRV better than FBV in mplus too?
strong forum
yes
odd nimbus
both forti and tyrannical?
strong forum
yes
odd nimbus
thanks
wary spire
What will be your 3rd crafted?
strong forum
i crafted a generic neck 2nd, so ill upgrade my belt with 3rd spark
i cba'd tryna farm a bad neck when i can have pretty much bis neck just by using a spark
strong forum
thats pretty bait, iirc they changed how thundering squall works from bfa
jagged pier
yer it trucks now
strong forum
in bfa it was just an aoe circle and if you stood in that it would do dmg, but now it does perma dmg
craggy pilot
yea ok, thought it was like dont kick cus it kills the adds 😄
strong forum
and painful motivation gives the surrounding mobs a 50% dmg buff but they lose like 1% hp each second
jagged pier
if your in a good group and you are confident u can not intuprt painful motivation just so they take more damage
strong forum
painful motivation used to kill the adds back in BFA
jagged pier
they will truck u
strong forum
but now its very scary
jagged pier
and the aoe shouts will one shot mostly
strong forum
yea
craggy pilot
was also confused about this one in VP
strong forum
emphasis on used
craggy pilot
ye idk why you would put a note in like this 🤣
strong forum
they truck now aswell
strong forum
yeah thats uh idk why they just give wrong info
that pack particular is quite easy for us
charge in, shockwave, dragon roar
daring marlin
i crafted a generic neck 2nd, so ill upgrade my belt with 3rd spark
Torc is de way
strong forum
and obv spell reflect
daring marlin
prolly ring fourth huh
jagged pier
just kill dragons and skip in none fort weeks
toxic pewter
What about the painful motivation what’s the deal with that
strong forum
and painful motivation gives the surrounding mobs a 50% dmg buff but they lose l...
^
craggy pilot
just kill dragons and skip in none fort weeks
can only skip 1 of the small packs right?
jagged pier
ye
craggy pilot
the first Skyfall Stars you can skip i know
but the 2nd i guess not?
man idk but Neltharus and VP feels like the worst dungeons so far
everything else is nice
toxic pewter
Nah definitely uldaman 100%
strong forum
VP is mega chill, you skip the first spread out star pack
craggy pilot
idk all VP bosses feel omega cancer
strong forum
first boss is just interrupt rotation, albeit annoying movement
2nd boss is ultra free, you can heroic leap over the ring each time if you talent bounding stride
toxic pewter
Uldaman bosses actually dont mess around. Vp bosses are joke compared to them
strong forum
3rd boss is legit only kill spark, if you can reliably kill spark issa yoke
craggy pilot
2nd boss the fucking wind direction
strong forum
so?
craggy pilot
i always get in the right direction, and then it swaps 😄
strong forum
just turn yourself to a 90° angle on the corners of the wind direction
craggy pilot
but now i made a WA for it, so might be better
daring marlin
man idk but Neltharus and VP feels like the worst dungeons so far
aw man I love Neltharus!
daring marlin
@strong forum What is that debuff the chains in Neltharus puts on you do?
It says some shit about it burning your hands
craggy pilot
isnt it just a debuff so you cant pick multiple chains back to back?
toxic pewter
I tried that magmatusk tincture thing. It worked great love that def gonna do it going forward
daring marlin
No clue. I was worried it would gib me so I didn't grab another.
I was able to do chains back to back on my pally cuz I bubbled one tho
timber nest
does sporecloak count as a embelishment?
quiet minnow
how much dps forgestorm worth anyways?
i know 15 aint a lot but im at 15 neltharus and starting to very much dislike it
craggy pilot
does sporecloak count as a embelishment?
quiet minnow
its a pug destroyer
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> What is that debuff the chains in Neltharus puts on you do...
literally just a CD indicator until you can use the next chains
nothing else
daring marlin
got it, thanks bro
daring marlin
I tried that magmatusk tincture thing. It worked great love that def gonna do it...
I'm gonna have to try that tincture later for sure
toxic pewter
I highly recommend it
Just be sure you kill all spiteful mobs and out of combat before you engage with it or the boss
Acts weird if you are in combat and disappears
toxic pewter
Ya first time I went to try it didn’t realize
And grabbed boss
But tincture disappeared
craggy pilot
i had a guy be mad at me because i engaged the boss when it had 2 stacks
like when else did you want me to pull the boss 🤣
daring marlin
people type too much in keys
toxic pewter
Yah I have considered turning off chat during keys tbh since I only pug
daring marlin
likewise
craggy pilot
but man, Elephant and last boss in Neltharus fucks pugs hard
toxic pewter
Worked for me few hours ago
jagged pier
astral crystal
i think a lot of people don't know you can move around while casting the shield-busters now
craggy pilot
oh thats a good change
jagged pier
i think a lot of people don't know you can move around while casting the shield-...
they dont
craggy pilot
but theres still the "charge in the middle of a swirley" item right+
astral crystal
yeah best thing to happen to that dungeon
jagged pier
thats what i said at week1
strong forum
you can break the shield as quickly as 0.1s
jagged pier
ppl told me that cant happen
daring marlin
Early on it could bug the swirlies if you broke the shield too quick but I never really saw it happen
strong forum
what i hate is the fact that the swirlies already spawn before the shield is even up
daring marlin
yeah that shit is kinda toxic even with the nerf they caught
potent gulch
why Rashok hit so hard 😭
onyx needle
It is not that he hits hard, it is the deduff causing the double of it doing exponential amount of dmg.
And here is a query, on Zskarn tanks are supposed to take like 5-6 stacks from boss on switches, and pop cd's to take out all the bombs fast? Just asking cause group I was with was wanting tanks to go like 10-15 stacks from boss, and then pop one bomb at a time letting bomb dot drop then clear the next and so forth.
It was causing me in general to be taking like 500-600k dmg per second from the stacking dots on boss. With them getting mad that I was dying.
civic cairn
You have to take 8-10 otherwise the other tank can’t drop stacks fully
You kinda need to be babysat a bit. Immunities doing bombs helps
scenic mural
immunity classes should be doing bombs. i only do bombs on my war when im stack free
group shouldnt be telling tanks how many stacks, u guys juts swap when other drops
usually 8-9
broken kite
with how popular pallies are atm, should have a few to immune it as well
sick sentinel
90k dps on bh 21
blissful herald
hey guys, one hand weapon from Neltharius is best for us?
amber siren
Sure is
limber prawn
hey new prot war here. Is it worth it to craft the shield on 437 if you cant do 16 yet. Or should I wait unitl I have enough gear for 16?
sullen gust
hey new prot war here. Is it worth it to craft the shield on 437 if you cant do ...
If thats the highest ilevel shield you can get, do it! You can always recraft it higher later. Shield is your most important item to get levelled up first
quiet minnow
90k dps on bh 21
That fire mage 😦
hazy hazel
just turn yourself to a 90° angle on the corners of the wind direction
Not a huge fan of entangling+wind swap+ AoE mech. I think it’s like the 2nd or 3rd swap and it lines up with downburst. Throw in an entangling and jiggling tornados, almost always a good time.
daring marlin
What affixes are you guys hoping for next week?
lucid owl
Hey guys, I have a quick question. I am new to tanking and currently have two tanks at max level which are a prot Plaadin (better geared) and a prot Warrior which is less geared but I'm enjoying the playstyle a little more for Prot Warrior but people tell me they are not very good at the moment. I understand that other tanks may be slightly favourable but what I want to know is how much of a difference is there in power levels between the different tanks. Am I disadvantage for wanting to play prot Warrior orcan they do content just fine?
I'm mostly interested in raiding and Mythic+ content
torn gulch
frigid vault
Yeah, Paladins are the strongest but unless you are pushing your limits it won't matter. Unless you suffer a lot from the grass is greener.
lucid owl
For me, I'm not really into the flavour of the month classes, I'm just testing the various tanks and see what I like best but Warriors seem to appeal to me more because they seem easy to pick up and I like that most of their attacks are frontals/AoE
I struggle quite a bit with holding aggro and getting threat ripped from me during keys
uneven mason
Hey guys, I have a quick question. I am new to tanking and currently have two ta...
Paladins are currently really strong, overpowered one might say. They bring a TON to the table utility wise, unmatched by any other tank.
That being said, "Tankyness" and ability to do content is just fine for warriors (or any other tank) that bucket of utility really only matters when you're pushing obscenely high keys, and for reason that will no matter for 99.99% of players.
uneven mason
I struggle quite a bit with holding aggro and getting threat ripped from me duri...
Press more buttons, don't use defensive stance
You could also be in dungeons with DPS that just flat outgear you by an order of magnitude
frigid vault
How high key levels are you doing? In anything less than +15 you can count on DPS being too hot on the DPS button.
Or outgear you.
lucid owl
I'm doing lower keystones to gear, around 5 - 10
uneven mason
what ilvl are you?
lucid owl
Around 395, I'm quite low on my Warrior
frigid vault
You can one ravager, roar or avatar for the start of each pull. But it will never help against DPS hitting them with all they got before you got two hits on them.
uneven mason
You can one ravager, roar or avatar for the start of each pull. But it will neve...
fucking HDH slapping eyeburms the instant they see you heroic throw
the in game sound effect for eyebeam should be REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
frigid vault
My personal favorite is arms offspec is Warbreaker+Bladestorm.
mighty valley
stick the the class you're enjoying more imo - the only downside is the community can be stupidly swayed by fotm feelings and reject you from keys you can easily clear
uneven mason
My personal favorite is arms offspec is Warbreaker+Bladestorm.
1000% Honest I Forgot I was in m+ spec when I was helping out on a Neltharion fight the other night and WB+BS on the poor BDK tank
mighty valley
but by the time you're doing top end stuff, the fotm pendulum will have probably swung anyway
uneven mason
I made a REEEEEEEEEEE sound as my corpse hit the floor
sick sentinel
what chat GPT thinks vortex pinnacle consists of, i'm not 100% how accurate it is but most of it sounds right
uneven mason
did you ask chat GPT to write steamy Prot warrior fanfics?
sick sentinel
oh ya, ksm steamy novels involving protection warriors
lucid owl
stick the the class you're enjoying more imo - the only downside is the communit...
I thought this may be an issue,which is why I asked the question initially but it seems this isn't the case and that you will be fine pushing medium to higher keys with any tank/class
uneven mason
oh ya, ksm steamy novels involving protection warriors
uneven mason
I thought this may be an issue,which is why I asked the question initially but i...
Right, there's nothing stopping any tank/DPS/healer from doing +20, beyond people not pressing buttons. Paladins are FOTM because they literally just remove personal responsibility from DPS for things like...interrupts and using defensive CDs
mighty valley
I thought this may be an issue,which is why I asked the question initially but i...
prot warriors are clearing 24s-25s so yeah, you're ok haha
uneven mason
"Prot Paladin - the tank that does it for you"
mighty valley
paladins had all that last season and were near the bottom, it's just weird feelings and damage charts at the end of the day
frigid vault
Whatever your skill level is you'll start to struggle. Paladins will start about 2-3 key levels later. So either you reroll and regear, or you improve your own play.
sick sentinel
if i really do get hardstuck keystone 10 and bottom dps i can at least watch ksm and make fanfics right?
lucid owl
Does anyone have any good recommendations for guides or streamer when it comes to prot Warriors? I've been watching a lot of Quaziilately but he plays the majority of tanks on his stream
uneven mason
paladins had all that last season and were near the bottom, it's just weird feel...
Early last season when people listened to the streamers about how OP warriors were (Congratulations, they learned how mitigation tanking works)
frigid vault
@lucid owl Tattman always does pwar. Not sure about others.
daring marlin
paladins had all that last season and were near the bottom, it's just weird feel...
Facts. I will tell you right now the slight nerfs when 10.1 hit were definitely felt.
uneven mason
I'd say Sense or Nom - but I think they stream about as often as Guardian Druids get buffs
sick sentinel
im equally as bad at mage
daring marlin
Base tankiness and sentinel nerfs
hazy bronze
Nom is a d4 streamer :pepelaugh:
sick sentinel
the owl talent for hunters is WTF
uneven mason
Nom is a d4 streamer :pepelaugh:
He is now
sick sentinel
i think thats the dumbest talent when i played it
warm plinth
It's a pvp talent basically
mighty valley
i never really got much out of watching streamers, i'd just read the icyveins guide as a starting point, get playing, and ask questions here
daring marlin
i never really got much out of watching streamers, i'd just read the icyveins gu...
Only streamer I watch SOMETIMES is jb
he makes me laugh
sick sentinel
im super happy about how the talents are overall
i just don't like having to put in point into paladin disease remove spell
warm plinth
I can't watch streams. I need instant gratification. I wanna skip to the content, not watch someone sit at the start of the dungeon for 20 minutes first
sick sentinel
that you should get for free baseline always have it
warm plinth
Which all high key streamers seem to inexplicably do
lucid owl
i never really got much out of watching streamers, i'd just read the icyveins gu...
That's a fair point, I guess I just need some pointers on how you want to open and cycle through offensive and defensive cooldowns. I usually open with Avatar and Demo Shout
I have no ideaif that's optimal or not though 😛
I try to keep Ignore Pain and Shield Block off cooldown, I hit Ignore pain quite frequently