And a 2k dps loss on 10 targets
#protection
strong forum
Ye 408 eragon gets replaced quickly
My 421+socket eragon is Still going strong until 7 targets
spring ermine
When simming dungeon cleave (i know its not optimal), then melee is 12.6 % of my overall. however in reality, its more like 5 %. Where does this insane discrepancy come from?
Is it the same for your sims? That they are way different than reality, especially when it comes to for example melee dmg?
I mean the other numbers are actually quite accurate
sick sentinel
halls of valor is a based dungeon and im a bit sad i missed legion because of that now.
it's really such a great dungeon
spring ermine
It's a cool dungeon, yea
strong forum
When simming dungeon cleave (i know its not optimal), then melee is 12.6 % of my...
Devastator
It's included into melee dmg in Sims
And you didn't have wft or monk buff in your dungeon
And dungeon slice has WAY less aoe than an actual dungeon has
Unless you compare to neltharions lair or vortex pinnacle
orchid mural
ty!
strong forum
thats my breakdown of VP
damage breakdown is almost exactly the same as sim
forgot to sim with annulet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3YsM8bba1wnD4gGCi4YKEK
this is my dungeon slice sim with only obtainable buffs of that actual run, same gear same everything
dungeon slice is not very representative of a setup for us because its a very poor environment compared to actual keys
because of this
tiny pulls for ABSOLUTELY mega short durations
as the name suggests, its only a dungeon slice 6min short dungeon with super short durations but a very long bossfight compared to trash pulls
remote venture
About Incorpoeral and warror dont have an CC issue: Just hardcode the ghost to take 40 sec stun from Strombolt. Do you think that will work?
strong forum
they specifically dont want you to use stuns that would take away from a possible CC rotation as needed for pulls, atleast that's my interpretation
thats why they picked shattering throw
but yes it would be really nice if they just had a 400% CC duration increase on them
trim bloom
dungeon slice is not very representative of a setup for us because its a very po...
is it good enough for droptimizer, or should we go patchwork 5 targets?
strong forum
I've never recommended it for actual simming, the dmg breakdown looks alright for dungeons like neltharions lair and vortex pinnacle
I don't think it'll be too inaccurate tbh, but make sure to sim your actual realistic buffs
With going full buff on everything you're just fooling yourself for your sim to look bigger rather than being accurate
For longer and bigger pulls just play around with larger target counts on patchwork with varying durations. Anywhere from 5 to 10 targets and 1 to however minutes you like
orchid mural
thats why they picked shattering throw
wait - shattering throw works on incorp ?
sleek current
It's believed the hotfix was reverted due to the DK one being able to cause a 99% damage reduction on bosses.
strong forum
^
remote venture
Ooh
strong forum
It's going to work soon tm
remote venture
So it will just fix the bug
remote venture
Good point
mental scarab
so now that i have broken the old 4 set, got new 2 set. it should be fine to swap the last 2 pices from old tier for higger ivl loot? def standpoint
tropic gorge
i'm running 2x2
i wasnt gonna replace my last season tier until i get a tier item for the slot
strong forum
yeah thats generally whats recommended
22 until you get new 4pc or you sim higher without old 2pc
tropic gorge
i have 2 items ready to go if i get unlucky and need the catalyst
silent vessel
across 2 HC and 2 normal runs our guild had a total of 3 warrior tokens drop
so still running with 2x2 as well :(
wraith hemlock
Funny you guys say that, that it's all that drops for my guild
sick sentinel
my set bonus is ass rn
1 set bonus from s1, from 2 set pieces of gear. 0 set bonus from s2 1 set piece of gear
warrior has always been good
knotty stump
For trinkets I have Raid Horn, Chaos Grapnel, Heart of Thunder, and Pocket Anvil. Which would you guys use for ST and AOE?
I've done some simming, I'm just curious
I know heart doesn't sim well but it has been doing 5k dps on some M+ runs
strong forum
Anvil and grapnel for ST
Heart of thunder and anvil for m+ if you can maintain the 5 stacks of anvil
But it's really close between heart of thunder and grapnel in m+ aswell
The Str on grapnel makes it pretty much equal if not better than heart of thunder in aoe
strong forum
Anvil shoots turbo ahead if you can maintain the 5 stacks of it
zealous spade
Anvil and grapnel for ST
Is Phial a simtrap? I always sim much better with Phial, but practically I dont think it outclass the 5-7 mil/dungeon from Thunder
bright dock
is there an easy way to sim droptomizer with dps loot spec for tank? seems to only sim the tank trinkets for me? or is the only way to add manually?
strong forum
Is Phial a simtrap? I always sim much better with Phial, but practically I dont ...
for ST vial is not good at all, for aoe it is really good
zealous spade
for ST vial is not good at all, for aoe it is really good
Maybe its the go to then on Fortified weeks
strong forum
the difference is
vial is meh on ST
anvil and grapnel good in ST, and barely lose to vial in aoe
so overall throughout a key, you just gain more from the ST trinkets
the diff between anvil and vial is just 0.19% on aoe
however on ST the diff is 3%
zealous spade
however on ST the diff is 3%
Understandable, then I just have to wait for my turn for those trinkets, Sadge
knotty stump
I have never had this kind of luck on getting trinkets to drop, so it's weird having all the options
sick sentinel
did anyone craft belt ?
strong forum
lots of people did
sick sentinel
Is it worth it considering crafting it
sick sentinel
Aight thank you
zealous spade
having bad trinket luck
just have a cross in your hands before opening chests, not worth crafting anything, there are plenty of good trinkets to get from dungeons
pastel sleet
What happened last night? I heard shattering thow got amped against the affix and then it got reverted. What happened to make it revert?
granite pond
I believe the DK "fix" was causing issues with totally unrelated stuff. I suspect they'll bring it back once they figure out the bugged interactions (even though shattering is objectively utter shit as a "fix" compared to what DKs are getting)
strong forum
they'll prolly fix it once theyre back in the offices again
which isnt for another 2 days
and then itll prolly be hotfixed on tuesday
so dont plan on it being usable this week
craggy pilot
they should just make our Intimidating Shout usable on them, but only if you "target" it
Shattering throw seems kinda weird as a fix
strong forum
pretty sure intim is usable on em
jagged pier
thats exactly how iint shout works on them
sick sentinel
andybrew on his warrior, died pretty much exactly same way my group did
on his stream today when he did 20 neltharus
boss went brr and nuked us
scenic bough
if i put the +100 stam belt clasp on a crafted belt, and recraft to a higher ilvl, it stays right?
icy bane
Yea
icy atlas
For crafting shadowflame embellished gear, does it matter if the shadowflame tempered armor patch is rank 2 vs. rank 3?
craggy pilot
do we go Uproar for Raid?
plush tendon
For crafting shadowflame embellished gear, does it matter if the shadowflame tem...
helps the crafter
craggy pilot
feels like it desyncs Roar+Demo Shout 🤔
strong forum
yea but you get 50% more roars
strong forum
just full on cd
icy atlas
helps the crafter
So they might still be able to craft it rank5 but it'll be harder on them, okay thanks
sick sentinel
i didn't even know you can enchant belt until today
karmic plinth
is there any crafted trinket thats decent
alchemy stone might not be the best numerically but the phial extension is the best quality of life you will ever get
sick sentinel
ya, +3k hp, as opposed to + 0
strong forum
for over 10k gold
sick sentinel
is it really 10k ? lol
strong forum
its very expensive for what it does
sick sentinel
oh well, give it a week or month
it will come down to way less probably, unless theres a real good bullshit reason
vocal nimbus
flat stamina increases in retail wow 
sick sentinel
more hit points = more don't die
vocal nimbus
stamina flasks were such good bait for new tank players
strong forum
î remember when feast gave you stam buff for decades
so you always had to bring personal food or switch spec beforehand
real lovely
vocal nimbus
no
karmic plinth
had to explain to my guild that as a tank i still wanted strenght instead of stamina 
strong forum
only if its additionally to your mainstat buff
sick sentinel
stamina in addition to its normal effect
and i don't mean like training food, or like, eat this and become a duck
cerulean tusk
Versa flask removes more damage than the stamina flask will absorb 
what you guys arguing about?
sick sentinel
i've been using the chaos flasks recently
strong forum
the "tanks stack stam" meme was a relic from fucking original TBC and Vanilla when nobody had a single clue
but its lived till this day
vocal nimbus
in uldir i had to cotank with a dude that used stamina flasks
sick sentinel
of course, but on the belt slot, i don't even think we CAN put anything else on it
vocal nimbus
sick sentinel
so its +EV regardless
vocal nimbus
if you only can have stamina then its obviously beneficial
sick sentinel
if you can afford it that is
strong forum
the fact that blizz releases stam trinkets is mindblowing
final mist
Do you remember the big argument we had with the minority of the community who insisted cheat death trinkets are cool
Back in Legion or BFA I think
vocal nimbus
sick sentinel
thats an eternal argument
strong forum
Do you remember the big argument we had with the minority of the community who i...
that discussion was still a thing throughout all of SL
final mist
yeah but this was a big one since there were several notable people on the pro-cheat death trinket side
strong forum
cuz they released 2 diff cheat death trinkets
vocal nimbus
there were cheat death trinkets in SL aswell
cerulean tusk
I am a cheat death enjoyer 
vocal nimbus
where is the third one
final mist
vocal nimbus
NO ENCHANT NO ENCHANT NO ENCHANT NO ENCHANT
cerulean tusk
Is that a 2min cd 70k absorb?
strong forum
sick sentinel
if its tukui or whatever related, fuck it
vocal nimbus
what addon do you guys use for the equipped text?
no addon and mouseover
sick sentinel
im not doing it hard stop if its elvui crap
cerulean tusk
70k per hit for 15sec, surely
sick sentinel
not the ilvl i don't care about that
plush tendon
thats cursed
sick sentinel
ya, i can't deal with elvui, its too balls deep for me
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
Why do I see non441 items?
vocal nimbus
sophic devotion in forgestorm 
sick sentinel
uhh
vocal nimbus
spend some g's in the new pirosomething enchant
sick sentinel
whats an addon that does the same thing for enchants that isn't elvui
sleek current
I only did 1.86m in my last key with it.
sick sentinel
thats the weapon enchant ya, i wonder if it triggers any of our "when we take dmg" effects
sleek current
I can't remember. Can you switch weapons in Mythic+? Or are you locked in on that as well?
craggy pilot
i just did 43,8k on Kazzara 🤔 feels incredibly low
strong forum
why is my melee simming so much higher than i actually do?
devastator is combined with melee on quicksim breakdown
craggy pilot
devastator is combined with melee on quicksim breakdown
ah ok thx
still doing 10k too little dps hmm
but no one logging this raid 😦
vocal nimbus
are you full buffed/is your sim full buffed?
craggy pilot
gotta get used to that S2 thing
sleek current
Did you update the APL, Nom?
My SIM is coming back like this:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oBQftee1h7kEdUoXxQokkf
1:30min on 7 targets.
strong forum
did you sim "latest"?
vocal nimbus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uVCrVakZAjCkWpxhyJVeRh
isnt shield slam dmg way too high?
sleek current
Aye, ST you spend your entire life pressing SS.
craggy pilot
also you didnt wear annulet?
i only have Annulet on my Pala
sleek current
Yeah, I simmed against weekly. I'm trying latest now. 🙂
strong forum
takes like 1hr to get
sleek current
Cheers
strong forum
always sim latest/nightly
sleek current
I've never paid it any mind to be honest. Learnt something new.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wYr2bJXkjH53fXK4DMqD3X
A tasty 1 minute sim against 7 targets.
I want to see it with beacon though. Haha
Let me go do that
strong forum
that looks a little bit better 🙂
casual 13k dps increase
with this 1 little trick
sleek current
Haha, yeah. Equip 4pc and send SS during buff window. Speaking of which I need to add that buff to my WA.
strong forum
the apl sends SS as full prio until 7 targets
and full prio at all target counts when buff is up
vocal nimbus
always press everything that comes up
sleek current
Press all the buttons all the time. 😄
ruby musk
In ULD do we lust 1/3/5 or 2/4?
vocal nimbus
can i trust this sim? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2BzTgQjZA1gxYHowwMri3u
sleek current
Absolutly snazzy
vocal nimbus
im never sure if i sim properly
strong forum
can i trust this sim? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2BzTgQjZA1gxYHowwMr...
yes why shouldnt you?
vocal nimbus
dunno if i check the appropiate boxes
strong forum
if you have concerns about it or it looks off to you then speak your mind
i mean
you just enable buffs that you KNOW you will have
otherwise youre just fooling yourself
strong forum
In ULD do we lust 1/3/5 or 2/4?
you can go to trogg first and lust that one
then go back to the dwarves
so you can lust 1/3/5
sleek current
10k jump with just beacon
strong forum
and lust
vocal nimbus
and btw, anvil stacks increase the shield slam part or the on use part?
craggy pilot
in Avatar i dont even prio TC anymore right?
vocal nimbus
https://i.imgur.com/qG2gUDQ.png
its worded a bit different in spanish
strong forum
unluck
strong forum
in Avatar i dont even prio TC anymore right?
you never did
toxic pewter
what does anvil do when you use it
toxic pewter
ok does it interact with the buff/ 15 sec thing you need to upkeep
like are they related at all
vocal nimbus
yes
toxic pewter
does using the aoe refresh the buff perhaps
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
interesting
vocal nimbus
and its maintained in combat
toxic pewter
interesting
vocal nimbus
you have around 14 seconds to pull between pulls to keep the stacks up
toxic pewter
is it actually worth pressing it in an emergency to keep the buff up or is it used on cd anyway sort of?
vocal nimbus
i save it for a bit of extra off gcd damage
toxic pewter
ok
vocal nimbus
but if you are going to lose the buff
strong forum
is it actually worth pressing it in an emergency to keep the buff up or is it us...
if you know you wont need the extension between packs
vocal nimbus
just refresh it
toxic pewter
ok definitely an interesting trinket.. i want one
vocal nimbus
outburst applies to the 4p buff?
strong forum
no
vocal nimbus
sadge
toxic pewter
does outburst interact with anvil prob not right
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
besides the "procs from hitting shieldslam"
vocal nimbus
anvil SS damage is a proc
strong forum
its the same as devastator
they only have the same source of origin
but dont get buffed by the same things
ruby musk
you can go to trogg first and lust that one
Thank you! That made the run so much smoother. Much appreciated.
sick sentinel
whats the fastest way to travel ( as horde ) to uldaman
cuz, for EK portals its booty bay and BE city, at best
spark patrol
whats the fastest way to travel ( as horde ) to uldaman
There's a portal in Valdraken at the Valdraken rep token hand in NPC
hardy snow
its in the obsidian enclave
uneven mason
whats the fastest way to travel ( as horde ) to uldaman
Valdrakken
sick sentinel
Was the confirmed to be fixed?
i keep forgetting that damn portal exists
cuz its so much out of the way
i think the portal room of BFA with a billion teleporters was the best thing ever
hardy snow
just do +20 in time and you have tp right in front of dungeon 
heady jetty
Whats the verdict for Enduring Dreadplate? Feels kinda meh?
strong forum
meh
the dmg portion of it isnt all that hot either
even on this DH log where it almost consumes all stacks per use it still only does like 2.7k dps
toxic pewter
final boss of uldaman puts out a lot of dam on tyrannical O_O
strong forum
yeah it fucks
toxic pewter
just had a shaman go oom like 20% into the fight repeatedly lmao
limpid estuary
I was trying to LOS the final boss’ breath in Uldaman but it wasn’t working. I was completely on the other side of the pillar and it still hit me. Did they change it?
toxic pewter
oh dang didnt even realize it could be LOS'd
sick sentinel
is healer mana even a real thing
i'm not entirely convinced it exists or affects anything
sick sentinel
Whats the verdict for Enduring Dreadplate? Feels kinda meh?
its not very good, its like if you took the shields trinket and mixed it with the gargoyles heart kinda,
slows you down by up to and starting at 15% move speed
fresh igloo
why not use both
brittle veldt
Got that 411 trinket
brittle veldt
Heat bound medallion!
fresh igloo
also if you use grapnel first you can use anvil immediately after, without the usual ICD on trinkets
strong forum
would not trust that
brittle veldt
The 411 out does my 437 grapnel atm
Not by much I don’t think I haven’t used it much
strong forum
how much dps does it do in keys
cuz you gotta count in the fact that it doesnt have str
brittle veldt
I’ll have a look when I’m back on the pc!
Yeah think it might be better suited to the high crit classes think that’s where the nutty damage comes from
fresh igloo
looks like I'm simming it as a serious DPS loss in ST, still a loss in two targets, and it starts to win in true cleave assuming you're using it perfectly. not what I'd go for on tyrannical week, at least.
fresh igloo
good to know.
strong forum
currently its set at uncapped, when it should split
brittle veldt
So anvil grapnel?
fresh igloo
that's a big fuckin' deal
proper roost
anvil feels particularly solid this week with spiteful
it occasionally dropped from travel time and such before
much less likely now
fresh igloo
yeah lol the spites keeping combat up made it a lot easier to maintain
brittle veldt
Sweet thanks, worth putting grapnel on macro with avatar?
strong forum
i wouldnt macro them
can cause you to fuckup
for me macroing anvil to avatar it cost me my 5 stack
by running time
not worth
vital arch
grinding VP +17 every moment of your life > raid trinkets
toxic pewter
why not lair instead get mark of dargrul
vital arch
that too, that’s what I’m striving for 0 on use trinkets cause my small brain can’t handle it
edgy rampart
Rerollin to prot!!
edgy rampart
If youre askin that question under the warrior discord?!?! Im worried about you 🙂
toxic pewter
lol
edgy rampart
Im fury main atm so...
toxic pewter
these days cant be too sure.. squints eyes
edgy rampart
But im steppin down from mythic raidin to focus on learnin how to tank and push 3k+ io
Dont look at me in that tone of voice
😆
toxic pewter
hell yeah
fossil plank
Is there any point to setting your loot spec to Protection after you have a 1 hander and shield?
toxic pewter
mainly if you want defensive trinkets
fossil plank
It seems our best trinkets are damage and everything else falls for anyone
unkempt fox
hey guys did they fix battering ram buffing all crit dmg?
toxic pewter
ya they fixed it
unkempt fox
😭
strong forum
tfw you would've had 120k overall in FH but other dps died on 3/4 bosses so you spent an exorbitant amount of time on bosses lowering your overall by metric fucktons
strong forum
ye
icy atlas
That's nutty
lime urchin
Nome is a professional button presser
icy atlas
Apparently
sick sentinel
Nome is a professional button presser
strong forum
would be kinda weird if i was only bark and no bite
daring marlin
fax
sick sentinel
my new phoncase case design is stupid
has a hole for camera on phone side, doesn't have a hole on the matching corner when its folded
cuz im gunna opne my phone case like a booklet like some heathen to take picture
autumn roost
I know that tank DPS has become more and more a thing over the years. I'm curious if most tanks are running double DPS trinkets right now? If so, Is that because all the defensive trinkets suck or there just isn't a point in defensive trinkets?
strong forum
theres no point outside of mega keys to run defensive trinkets
if youre skilled at your class you dont rly need to run defensive trinkets until shit starts to properly hurt
tank dps was always an important aspect of tanking, even back in vanilla its just people werent informed enough in previous expansions or good enough
gm
ebon wren
does turn evil work to cc, or just use repentence?
toxic pewter
it works
ebon wren
prot pallies
fresh igloo
cuz this is prot warrior channel heh
autumn roost
Lmao
He thought he was in Hammer of wrath that's amazing
I'm banned from there so I never get to hang out anymore
toxic pewter
inspecting random warrior.. running HR even though he has 2 pc... and hes running bolster also... wat?
not sure why you would run HR these days
slender terrace
any of you get shredded this week by packs across last bridge in FH?
daring marlin
I'm banned from there so I never get to hang out anymore
banned ganggang
daring marlin
should we expect to cc at all? dont like channeling
If you wanna try to hard carry your group I'd take both just in case
at least I can kick, fear and bolt 'em on my warrior
indigo rune
what weapon enchant do you guys prefer for keys?
strong forum
Arms if you want 2h + dps trinket, fury if you want 1h or 2h + dps trinket
Prot if you want shield
misty moss
ty
strong forum
Depends entirely on which boss you're killing and what they drop
You switch it based on boss
strong forum
what weapon enchant do you guys prefer for keys?
Sophic or wafting
indigo rune
ty
toxic pewter
how does beacon work in regards to number of mobs, how much more damage does it even do
toxic pewter
dang
lusty grotto
trying to get a pug heroic sark kill in NA is like willingly walking over glass and burning coal
jesus christ
strong forum
So 1 mob = 100% dmg total
5 mobs = 175% dmg total
strong forum
If you have to hold it for too long it's a gigantic waste
hallow phoenix
depends how badly you need that mob dead
toxic pewter
thats a huge possible damage loss
strong forum
Send it on CD
toxic pewter
Ok
strong forum
More casts = more dmg
toxic pewter
ya
toxic pewter
obviously try and get as many mobs as possible... is each target equal, the targeted one takes same amount right
strong forum
If you miss out on 1 cast over the course of a key because you held the CD to get it on 5 mobs instead of 2-3 mobs it's just not worth
strong forum
obviously try and get as many mobs as possible... is each target equal, the targ...
Capped at 5
toxic pewter
ok
and they all have unique chance to crit
i think
like 3 out of the 5 can crit i mean for example
strong forum
Yes
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
Ye
toxic pewter
ok interesting
strong forum
Free key if you can get past 1st boss
lusty grotto
if people focus the rogue instead of the caster
strong forum
If you can kill totem reliably he is, ye
daring marlin
I like VP a lot now.
lusty grotto
you can intervene the swipes etc, SR the incap, lots of stuff to do on that 1st boss
strong forum
How can one like VP
craggy pilot
which is better here?
strong forum
It's such a mundane dungeon
strong forum
which is better here?
If say the leech one
craggy pilot
yea but its not Hero 🤔
strong forum
4ilvl on cloak isn't alot
craggy pilot
but man the leech is spicy
toxic pewter
is intervene worth taking? kinda want to use it sometimes lol
lusty grotto
i use it a lot
strong forum
It has alot more uses this season yeah
lusty grotto
yeah UR is really good for it
toxic pewter
u guys drop pain and gain or wat
daring marlin
ye
toxic pewter
yeah the fixates good idea actually
daring marlin
FH too
strong forum
I don't run pain and gain to begin with
lusty grotto
yup
toxic pewter
i see
strong forum
Rather have my trusty bounding stride
toxic pewter
yeah I do miss bounding stride a lot
strong forum
Can't miss it if you never talent out of it
It has use cases in a few keys for mechanics
lusty grotto
i drop uproar for both intervene and rallying dependon on the key leve
strong forum
I never play uproar in keys
toxic pewter
im dropping pain n gain for sure
lusty grotto
i like it for lower keys
strong forum
Eh especially in low keys people don't stun
So shockwave is very handy
In FH, UR, BH
toxic pewter
I pug a lot and i cannot ever drop shockwave
torn gust
hecc shockwave
strong forum
duplicate shield slam WA tracker, change buff name in trigger from shield block to earthen tenacity
voila
vocal nimbus
ok ok i understood that
sick sentinel
stun works on the worms, under rot, so storm bolt is exceptional for last half of that dungeon
trigger the worm spawn, storm bolt it, 4 seconds of it cant do shit
limber prawn
Just started doing mythis on prot. Is there like a rage number at which its ok to spend rage on revenge, I have the feeling I spend to much rage and sometimes drop shield block
urban oak
Which ring combination are you using now?
strong forum
Just started doing mythis on prot. Is there like a rage number at which its ok t...
theres no magic threshold where you should or shouldnt revenge, you should just not revenge if you need to reapply shieldblock soon
same goes for ignore pain
limber prawn
thats a good tip,
Ill try to work on that
strong forum
untold turtle
is shadowflame patch replacing lariat embellishment slot this season?
untold turtle
gotcha
sick sentinel
holy paladin is dead i think right
i don't feel like i see many in the wild
lots of shamans, a ton since end of bfa and ever since, odd priest, but best usually seems to be shaman
feels like heal monk is really dead for keys too
mental scarab
I have had some god like healers of all classes then 90% is just ass
sick sentinel
i think it depends how awake the healer is
untold turtle
can shadowflame patch be applied to crafted shields?
hardy snow
yes
crude notch
can shadowflame patch be applied to crafted shields?
Molten Defender yes
elder skiff
Are we not talking about heatbound medallion so it doesn’t get nerfed?
hardy snow
what about it?
fresh igloo
it's not simming correctly.
crude notch
Talk about dn
hardy snow
its uncapped in sims, when its not uncapped in game
isnt it just uncapped, but splited anyway?
strong forum
thats not what uncapped means
uncapped means unsplit, no dmg dropoff, full dmg on every single target
split means even split among all targets
elder skiff
So anyone got a relative value for it?
strong forum
the typical "increased per target until 5 targets" is the BFA split
which is a +15% TOTAL dmg gain per target until 175% TOTAL dmg split among all targets
strong forum
So anyone got a relative value for it?
judging from the tooltip, absolutely dogwater
hardy snow
yea, but this one (according to tooltip) says its just even split
strong forum
yeah so its 160k at all times
no matter the target count
just split among targets
literal dogshit
warm plinth
so do a lot of trinkets
hardy snow
yea, so nothing big
strong forum
well ok its not "dogshit"
hardy snow
its cool if you dont have anything else
strong forum
its somewhat like whetstone, but whetstone atleast had the bfa split
but now we just have better trinkets than whetstone
aka anvil, grapnel, bacon, mark of dargrul
craggy pilot
Essence Trinket bad for us? 🤔
warm plinth
referring to the heraldry 2.0?
strong forum
heat medallion now sims correctly
left trout
is there anything to help with the little dudes doing CHOMP in beginning of uld?
strong forum
you can infinitely kite the chomp
craggy pilot
i feel kinda lucky kekw
left trout
so just keep backing up to avoid the chomp?
strong forum
if youre dwarf you can also just cleanse it
but yeah, if you dont have CDs for it i guess the answer is just kiting it
ive not done the dungeon often enough to have the need to play around it
left trout
i am but an orc. i will try just the kiting when my defensive are down
trim bay
"By not being"
crude notch
cuz your daddy taught you good
I heckin love you
warm plinth
sick sentinel
i ran my 10 uldaman today cuz i failed the 11 neltharus timer
paladin signed up as tank and he got the laser trinket at the end tank thing
craggy pilot
how do i sustain 7 stacks of tank debuff on Lost Experiments when he does the fire breath in P3? 🤔
i cant gen any rage
frozen rose
Anyone explain how I’m gona deal with the debuff on P1 for amalgamation mythic? I gota run into a player who was on the opposite side no?
craggy pilot
this one vs crafted? 🤔
strong forum
i cant gen any rage
have the other tank get a stack beforehand and clear it
craggy pilot
have the other tank get a stack beforehand and clear it
yea the other tank was omega pepega man
every time mechanic came and i tried to clear he would Chi Torpedo away from me
hardy snow
what's good overall in freehold? 🤔
vocal verge
I’m going to guess 70k
I did 63k in VP and consider myself a middle of the pack player
scenic mural
every time mechanic came and i tried to clear he would Chi Torpedo away from me
This was happening to me too, wouldnt clear my stacks before and i would just drop aftwr all my rage was gone
Far cry from tanking it on my pally and monk lmao
sick sentinel
this one vs crafted? 🤔
ilvl first but if equal crafted due to controlled secondaries
clever heart
Hey how much hps Should Talistman of the cragshaper be doing ? (stance of the mountain).
because mine is only 10-13% of my hps end of key. Feels kinda low ngl. im probs wrong tho idk.
steel crystal
Does spell reflection reflect the full damage or only a percentage I'm just wanting to know
cerulean tusk
SR either works as a 20% DR, a full reflect, a partial reflect (reflects often DoT and not instant damage), or it can deflect (you take no damage, but return none either)
steel crystal
Ah so does it reflect whatever hits first then?
cerulean tusk
In PvE you reflect the first reflectable hit (and all other hits in that one 0,5sec window). So you can in theory reflect a billion casts, if they hit you at once. Like imps in court.
steel crystal
Ah ok what about beams attacks does that still falls under the reflect (channel spells)
For example like the end boss in hol
cerulean tusk
Some abilities will reflect, and continue channeling unto its source. Others cancel and some just reflect a tick.
cerulean tusk
There is a full list in the pins 📌
steel crystal
Ah thanks
delicate kraken
Anyone got any good auto mark WA or addons
sick sentinel
Does spell reflection reflect the full damage or only a percentage I'm just want...
it can reduce a spell by 100% far as i know yes
steel crystal
Ah ok thanks
sick sentinel
depends how much the spell does
steel crystal
I take it it can crit
sick sentinel
if you are lucky or mastery boy, yes
steel crystal
Does it go off if that ability would've crit
sick sentinel
nope, rng on your end and just simple doubles the amount "blocked"
limpid pawn
are you guys taking shattering throw for keys this week?
i don't see many high io people using it in their builds, is it just not that good?
steel crystal
I might
toxic pewter
is it actually working or reverted
toxic pewter
not sure its worth taking anyway
fresh igloo
You can just delete an incorp approx every other wave.
Kinda cool but definitely not the best option.
Maybe when it comes back they'll let it be wrecking throw instead?
toxic pewter
if it was an instant throw id consider it but who got time to cast that i got other things to do
worn pasture
What can i do against bleed chomp in 22 keys and higher in uldaman. Even in Tyrannical, if i get hit i probably die
toxic pewter
honestly I just kite those in a loose circle at this point
edgy bone
Our talent tree is too good to suddenly be bad
We have all the tools still
Right?
Or did they neuter us
toxic pewter
yeah they did fix a bug and cut our damage by roughly 6-7%
plus other tanks have had buffs
final mist
Why does sub creation have us as the worst tank now?
Subcreation is based on just community perception, and just because something isn't being played doesn't mean its bad (and vice versa, for that matter)
steel crystal
Yeah
final mist
The other tanks got better, our DPS dropped, and Prot Paladin exists in the state its in currently, so every meta fotm chaser swapped from Warrior to Paladin
Thats pretty much it
crude notch
Why does sub creation have us as the worst tank now?
Subcreation is only popularity based. Popularity might be indicative of what's strongest some what but it's going to skew hard fast away from the actual differences between tanks. Every tank will get title.
vocal verge
on sark can the p2 tank buster
can you negate the raid dmg by going down as well?
I thought so to but probably not worth doing it
mostly p3 that gets a little wild on dmg sometimes
toxic pewter
yeah I mean I guess you can go down in p2 but it seems like its more work/could impede you needing to taunt off other tank or something if you are down under too long
but it could work either way I guess
sullen gust
To be fair I did feel really rough with incorporeal, though now we can just talent into shattering throw I feel a lot better. It sucked having important affixes that felt really out of my control
daring marlin
To be fair I did feel really rough with incorporeal, though now we can just tale...
even if it does work 3m cd is trash
Wrecking throw should instakill it instead
fast knot
Earthen Smash I think
undone verge
can you immune soak on assault?
fast knot
Thought you needed a certain # of people otherwise boss wouldn't expend enough energy
undone verge
yeah but do the immune ppl count
fast knot
I believe they count towards the total
our kill had a few nerds early immune for the soak group on accident and we didn't backlash
limpid estuary
Anyone got a good weak aura for last stand/4 piece buff? Cant seem to find one
frozen berry
is forgestorm the best m+ wep for prot?
undone verge
yes
worn pasture
Does someone how many seconds to precast spell reflect on 2nd boss in neltharions lair to reflect both sunders?
and when to cast after phase
toxic pewter
honestly dbm timers suck for that boss, i have a lot of trouble tracking it for some reason
warm plinth
It's not a timer issue. It's a spellqueue issue. He doesn't always cast it as soon as it's off CD.
warm plinth
what's the buff from 4p called after last stand drops?
410218 this is the spell ID for it
(the buff)
toxic pewter
It's not a timer issue. It's a spellqueue issue. He doesn't always cast it as ...
Ah that explains it
cinder nova
Do we really need to track it that closely?
warm plinth
It's just a good reflect option is all
cinder nova
Oh, sorry - meant 4p.
warm plinth
ohhh
cinder nova
Reflect tracking is 100/10
warm plinth
Yeah not sure
cinder nova
I gotta say the reflects this season feel so good. Looking forward to 22 NL reflects on Molten.
It's nice to completely smash tank busters and do comfy last bosses.
fresh igloo
One thing I miss about playing tank usually is that we don't ever get targeted by chain lightning on the last boss of VP.
That was a super satisfying spell reflect as fury
cinder nova
You can stand in it with them to reflect it.
cinder nova
That was a super satisfying spell reflect as fury
Making sure you see this.
fresh igloo
Lol really??
cinder nova
They still take damage, but when it bounces to you, you reflect damage.
It'd be 1000% funnier if it reflected it back to the player instead of boss
fresh igloo
That's great, I'm gonna have to try that
cinder nova
I just leap right on them
cinder nova
Oh, yeah - I usually have to leap to optimize up.
ivory widget
Most satisfying reflect is last HoI boss
warm plinth
That's not a reflect. It's a Renvoi de sort
ivory widget
Yeah sorry, little french boy here
oblique kayak
Most satisfying reflect is last HoI boss
what did you reflect?
undone verge
as a dps warrior reflecting the dot off third boss in NL is satisfying af
quaint onyx
what did you reflect?
It’s the deluge ability after squall buffet or w/e
Big dam reflect
oblique kayak
It’s the deluge ability after squall buffet or w/e
thx - and you can just reflect it? or anything needed?
quaint onyx
You just reflect right after he knocks you back with squall buffet
tame jasper
thx - and you can just reflect it? or anything needed?
see pins for reflect sheet by @shut summit
oblique kayak
see pins for reflect sheet by <@105027920459776000>
❤️
night rivet
Was gladiator stance fun?
hallow phoenix
yes and dont let anyone tell you it wasnt
probably not healthy for the game
but boy it was fun
lost dust
Morning fellow Protection warriors, got a quick question about some talent choices. When is Heavy repercussions better then Into the fray?
ivory widget
If you have the new 2p set you should play with bolster and have close to 100% sb uptime. So you don’t need heavy repercussions and always play itf
near shuttle
whats better currently Fueled by Violence or Brutal Vitality ?
jagged pier
Preference
earnest canyon
Hi everyone
Why does every guide says that treemouth provides more absorb then cragshaper?
Looking at dung journal now and its not the case
tooltip is wrong?
its 280k 1min cd on cragshaper for me (with 19%vers)
vs 276k 1.5min cd on treemouth
earnest canyon
Its not weaker in the first place
nah its on dks guide
used it as example since they provided the amount its weaker
other guides just saying its weaker
sick sentinel
Tree mouth confirmed good trinket
sick sentinel
It's in writing don't challenge me
bitter sparrow
Speaking of trinkets why is the trinket of Aberrus first boss tuned so poorly
earnest canyon
to ask why the dk article
warriors guide also says that cap is very low
sick sentinel
I actually like treemluth trinket
earnest canyon
but its bigger then treemouths
crude notch
man you gotta stop with these mental gymnastics
sick sentinel
It's a pretty big absorb and you can reduce smg it dealsbh having anything dmg reducing
I blame phone keyboard
crude notch
yogi
earnest canyon
man you gotta stop with these mental gymnastics
Wdym? I have a very straight forward question
Every guide is saying that cragshaper absorbs less then treemouths
Looking at game item descriptions its not the case
Trying to understand who is wrong
crude notch
idk get a cragshaper and get a treemouth and get back to us
lofty widget
@ 402 ilvl cragshaper absorbs 260k, treemouth absorbs 276k
cerulean tusk
Do they scale equally tho?
sick sentinel
I'd have to have more of the tank trinkets to give a tank trinket review,but so far I like tree mouth, dreadppatesim not crazy about but at least it deals dmg to enemy
sick sentinel
Dreadplates probably horrible cuz 15,% negative move speed
crude notch
i prefer cragshaper anyways of the two because it's 1 min
sick sentinel
I gotta both sadly atm
lofty widget
Do they scale equally tho?
cragshaper scales with vers, youre losing the mainstat tho so
sick sentinel
Itsrealleycursed. I'm using dreadplates and tree mouth atm
crude notch
i'm more worried about why you rolled prot on kazzarra
sick sentinel
Bicycle kid stick falls comic shot there
cerulean tusk
cragshaper scales with vers, youre losing the mainstat tho so
All shields scale with vers, wdum
sick sentinel
It was from some questions tbh
crude notch
All shields scale with vers, wdum <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
not all
lofty widget
treemouths absorb scales with ilvl only
sick sentinel
I never raid really besides lfr
Last time I did more than 2 bosses normal mode was 8.3
cerulean tusk
treemouths absorb scales with ilvl only
Will take your word for it
Did you call LFR raiding?
sick sentinel
Yes
crude notch
Will take your word for it <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I mean you can literally look it up
crude notch
Did you call LFR raiding? <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Looking For RAID
sick sentinel
I mostly hate raiding
crude notch
What's your favorite crayon flavor funky
sick sentinel
Something about raiding that drives me bonkers
It's like seeing the timer in racing game or keystone
cerulean tusk
If you call LFR actual raiding... Then we won't see eye to eye on the matter
It is soloque waiting simulator
sick sentinel
I never have liked raiding
crude notch
If you call LFR actual raiding... Then we won't see eye to eye on the matter
then stop calling it LFR you crayon eater
sick sentinel
I've played since 2004 woe and got into raiding in karazhan
cerulean tusk
I don't think being hung up in the name is as big of a win as you do believe it to be, mate.
cerulean tusk
You lost out on a lot of great raids
sick sentinel
Ice bitch dragon girl thing
We got her to like 10 to 5% and then the guild fall apart
cerulean tusk
So why did you stop raiding tho
sick sentinel
So I didn't actually kill lich king and ever since I didn't care too much about raid
Only go in on lfr
Normal circumstances
cerulean tusk
Go normal, it is 10x the experience and basically less effort
sick sentinel
My opinion is delete lfr and you have easy normal and hard
crude notch
yes it's horrible
cerulean tusk
Agreed, LFR should go
sick sentinel
So, normal heroic mythic what u really meant
crude notch
lfr should stay it's not harming any of you
cerulean tusk
is that bad?
Spore is decent till you get something else
sick sentinel
I'm absolutely torn if lfr was a true mistake or not
crude notch
it was the 
emote before bladedancers
sick sentinel
If you had nothing else i will say equip spore pods
cerulean tusk
It prob was, LFR stops a lot of players to move into raiding. As they think LFR is close to the experience
sick sentinel
At least it's an automatic effect that heals you
crude notch
It prob was, LFR stops a lot of players to move into raiding. As they think LFR ...
what?
sick sentinel
Regardless how obviously shot it is
crude notch
how would lfr stop people from moving into raiding
cerulean tusk
Read what I wrote
tropic gorge
i dont care for lfr
sick sentinel
how would lfr stop people from moving into raiding
It's like if you see a rock artist on tv
sick sentinel
You don't have a big of a draw to get tickets
You already saw him and heard his music, well, that was cool, moving on now,
cerulean tusk
If so, LFR should become a soloque instanced experience. With story characters filling for the raid, giving more lore depth and flow
As is, it is a terrible system
sick sentinel
MYbe players should have to find a group so they can see story
sick sentinel
That's how life works don't it, you gotta make effort towards things you want
cerulean tusk
Jordan just want to argue, just let him be at this point.
crude notch
?
Man it's so gatekeepery to be like nah people should have to commit 3-6+ hours of their week to get the story.
strong forum
talisman of the cragshaper is larger absorb because treemouths self dmg already gets half eaten by the trinket itself, resulting in a smaller actually effective shield
sick sentinel
LFR us quite the conundrum is what I can sat for sure
crude notch
the funny thing is the people that complain most about lfr DONT DO IT
cerulean tusk
I had to do it, till I had tier 
crude notch
you didn't have to do anything.
sick sentinel
the funny thing is the people that complain most about lfr DONT DO IT
Lfr Zul trash
If you know, you know
If you haven't ever experienced it.....
That's why I fucking don't do lfr
crude notch
okay then don't
sick sentinel
Cuz pepega disease is infectious in lfr
crude notch
yogi, i feel like you of all people don't have any footing to be saying that
sick sentinel
If you don't believe me how bad lfr is go run one
cerulean tusk
I feel truly sorry for anyone that do LFR and believe that is the raiding experience the game got to offer.
sick sentinel
Too much responsibility in normal + raiding for me
crude notch
well assuming they know how to read
they should know that's not the raiding experience the game has to offer.
sick sentinel
I don't normally 100% beat a game I like to make an attempt so etimes
Like if I kill a huge demonstration thing and a citscene plays and credits roll,I'm done I won
crude notch
If you don't believe me how bad lfr is go run one
the problem seems more to be your expectations of lfr and not lfr itself
tropic gorge
is "elite" gear pvp gear?
crude notch
yes
tropic gorge
"heroic" is heroic raid?
i got a draconic mark of mastery for timing a 16
unsure how to spend it
sick sentinel
The one time I did vault of incarnate, I had some priest bragging about how head 250k mana an he got someitem and ws going to get some gear piece on the boss that give him More mana
Then it dropped and he did win it and hiseho wasto the moon
cerulean tusk
Reformulate, please.
crude notch
unsure how to spend it
just make sure you don't spend it on elite gear and you'll be fine
crude notch
it's really not.
cerulean tusk
unsure how to spend it
If it is the tier token, spend it to fill out your 4th tierslot when you get the first 3. If you already have T4, upgrade chest, shoulders or hands as needed
cerulean tusk
Lfr is completely the wild west
True, the things you see in LFR are wild at times
crude notch
the things you see in X difficulty raid can me just as wild
sick sentinel
True, the things you see in LFR are wild at times
Waiting for the first idiot to jump in The hole and get one shot vy the boss below zul
crude notch
people doing dumb shit in mythic is far more annoying and wtf than people doing dumb shit in lfr.
sick sentinel
Jordan isnotan lfr enjoyed and should be made to subject himself to solo que into lfr as punishment.
tropic gorge
people doing dumb shit in lfr is expected
sick sentinel
Doesn't have to be as pwatoreven warrior
tropic gorge
people doing dumb shit in m+ is not acceptable but happens so much it may as well be. accidents and human error notwithstanding
cerulean tusk
people doing dumb shit in lfr is expected
Doesn't make it less crazy tho
tropic gorge
indeed
crude notch
Doing N'zoth and nobody had a cape <:keks:936231610850897992>
that was fun doing AOTC carries and the number of peoplethat didn't have it
sick sentinel
Whatever he wants he just gotta try and see how many wings he can get done
crude notch
what are you even saying rn yogi
cerulean tusk
Aotc boosting with greyloggers, having to replace half the team to get last boss down. Ahhh, the OB experience
crude notch
well that sounds like a completely different world than what i lived in because i didn't do a single damn AOTC boost with a greylogger that's for sure 
cerulean tusk
Yogi was the greylogger 
sick sentinel
Still am probably
cerulean tusk
You will remain pink in my heart 
sick sentinel
I joined for aotc ep, and pretty much soon as I got that achievement they cut me
crude notch
yogi i saw you getting smashed in the back of the head repeatedly in your HoI I don't think you can be shit talking greyloggers
cerulean tusk
He isn't, he is calling himself one 
sick sentinel
I am the Grey logger
crude notch
oh mans
cerulean tusk
Jordan, ya filled with rage. Go do a dungeon and eat a snickers, ya need a reset
cerulean tusk
You attacking unprovoked
crude notch
are you new?
cerulean tusk
crude notch
i jokingly bash people all the time
crude notch
huh?
cerulean tusk
And you use that a lot too
crude notch
yes it's called confusion
crude notch
or if you made sense
are you new?
If I say no, you say wrong. If I say yes - you say wrong
How would I say wrong in either answer?
cerulean tusk
Yogi at least made sense of my words
crude notch
yogi didn't even response to your words my guy
yogi hasn't said anything for 5 minutes
daring marlin
cerulean tusk
crude notch
Guilford take care of my lightwork
ruby musk
jagged pier
> are you new?
> If I say no, you say wrong. If I say yes - you say wrong
How...
u r wrong ither way
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