protection

[spring ermine]

20k on myserver

[cinder pasture]

And stamina doesn't give any dps

[strong forum]

what am i missing

[cinder pasture]

🤣

[spring ermine]

most people dont even know the enchant exists

[toxic pewter]

shadowed belt clasp

[strong forum]

they added a new enchant?

[toxic pewter]

gives like 111 stam to belt slot

ya

[strong forum]

111 stam

HUGE BRO

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[strong forum]

0.05%

[spring ermine]

thank me later :D

[strong forum]

i aint paying 50k for 111 stam chief

[toxic pewter]

oops sorry I MEANT 106 STAM

[strong forum]

if its not sub 5k

[spring ermine]

slacker

[strong forum]

i aint paying

[left basalt]

7 boss targets, i was under the impression 3 was the "cleave" sim

[daring marlin]

I'm a cheapskate so I'm gonna make ff belt and one patch

me thinks

put it on BOOTZ

[strong forum]

if you only pull 3 targets at a time in m+ i feel bad for your group

you sim realistic environments

[icy bane]

Required for NL fort week

[spring ermine]

@strong forum no spell block?

[icy bane]

Sadge

[strong forum]

why would i play spellblock

its useless in 6/8 keys

7/8 in some cases even

[daring marlin]

spellblock lmao

[spring ermine]

i was about to say, it depends on the dung

[left basalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9y8mQQ8RqfEXEGpGcnKEo2

I like these numbers now

[strong forum]

full buffed 😆

[spring ermine]

what would you say how long are you in off stance on average in high keys?

[strong forum]

never

i myself atleast

[left basalt]

reran with 0 buffs

[strong forum]

but i only do weekly keys

cuz pushing brings me no joy

its up to you and your group how much you sit in D-stance

as little as possible is the best answer

cuz you lose a BOATLOAD of dmg output by sitting in d-stance unnecessarily

its a defensive toggle for hard shitting pulls/boss mechanics

[spring ermine]

hmm ok if youre only doing weekly then yes

[strong forum]

only time i had to sit in d-stance was doing 5tank keys in very early S1

[sage ice]

what do you y'all think of undulating sporecloak as a craft/embellishment for prot?

[strong forum]

will rarely get value as tank, its better on dps/healers

[dusky canopy]

Hard shitting

[sleek current]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/arK6XmpoSwGYJTB8MD4cHN

[dusky canopy]

[sleek current]

Pretty bad trinkets

[strong forum]

man i gotta change the APL

having revenge and TC being up there in dmg is so wrong

[sick sentinel]

no spore pods

[toxic pewter]

wow pretty good yogi

[sick sentinel]

we died to the cragmaw cuz i was stupid

[strong forum]

the aoe apl isnt updated for 4pc yet cuz i didnt bother

so its undersending SS alot

[sleek current]

Oh fair beans. Haha

[proper roost]

allegedly sporecloak insane for pushing and will be really high key meta for all dps and heals

but thats just talk atm

[strong forum]

yes it will be run on all dps and healers

its broken for those

[proper roost]

no one has actually crafted it on dps yet

[strong forum]

they will eventually

[sick sentinel]

how do you get the neck

or i guess its just a normal crafted one, its got 3 slots on that character sheet

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I hear that sporcloak is pretty nutty healing value at the cost of one embellishment

[sleek current]

You can swap weapons during a Mythic+ run right?

[dusky canopy]

I ain’t about it but I’m also not doing 28s either

[sick sentinel]

yeah, so i have 3 wyrm crests now

my shields been sparked to 424 rank 5, and i got another spark and then i think i get another piece to one when im done with underground rep

[gloomy hazel]

Do most of y'all take spell block in m+, if so what do you drop to take that?

[sleek current]

Between Bloodsurge and Punish

Bloodsurge on a Tyrannical week and probably punish on a fort.

Personally. I just don't bother. If I can't survive it's my own fault for not being better.

[proper roost]

i dont think u should take spellblock except in 20+ neltharus fortified

like literally only that, just imo though

[gloomy hazel]

What about in raid?

mythic raid, that is

[sleek current]

I haven't need it for anything. I'm 9/9 HC 1/9 M right now

So far anyway

[crude notch]

It's pretty strong on sark tbf

you can spell block the dot

[spring ermine]

yeah sims are bad in that regard, the sim is of course just spamming revenge

[dusky canopy]

I would only use spellblock in Nelt/sark and you drop blood surge in M+ build and in raid build you drop unnerving

[crude notch]

which makes it immensely easier on your group

[sleek current]

He said that. He's going to update the APL.

[crude notch]

While YOU might not need something, your healers would greatly appreciate you understanding how a mechanic works and taking spell block for sark.

[sleek current]

They'll live.

[dusky canopy]

You might not

[sleek current]

😂

That's a risk I'm willing to take

[crude notch]

Based on this conversation, they can determine whether or not you will.

[strong forum]

doesnt change alot for our stats tho

[gloomy hazel]

I'm new to warrior tank specifically and running the m+ build from wowhead and raid builds don't take that talent. Does anyone who has mythic raid logs/20+ keys done mind sharing their talents for m+ and raid st/aoe?

[strong forum]

it just looks off on the dmg breakdown

[crude notch]

Nome fix your shit

I'll send you a pizza

[dusky canopy]

I have all 20s timed with the pinned M+ build

The only change I’ve made is blood surge for spell block in nelt

[strong forum]

^

[crude notch]

I have all 25s timed with the pinned M+ build

take that

[sleek current]

You can find norms recommended raid build in the pins of this channel and some guidance on how to swap around some talents.

[crude notch]

gj norm

keep it up

[proper roost]

Thanks norm

[gloomy hazel]

Ah, I looked in FAQ first, mb.

[dusky canopy]

Actually correction nome doesn’t have titanic throw in the pinned build I like to use it for snap threat on pull so I dropped pain and gain to get it back

[daring marlin]

Trying to sim shit on mobile is ass.

[sleek current]

😂

[near steppe]

Guys, couldnu give me tips for sarkareth heroic? Im struggling with p3 transition

[sleek current]

I mean Noms*

[crude notch]

why would you ever

[sleek current]

What are you struggling with exactly?

[near steppe]

I feel a little unsafe for not having a target to generate rage. What shloud i be doing?

[dusky canopy]

No worries ask away that’s the point of the channel, some people can’t handle answering questions but most will

[sleek current]

What do you mean you don't have a target to generate rage?

[near steppe]

All my trys i feel like im about i was taking a ton of damage

[crude notch]

Yo just ping jakey next time

jesus

[near steppe]

When thenboss flys up, cast big circle, that moment, u know?

[crude notch]

(for legal purposes, this was a joke.)

[sleek current]

If you're the tank positioning the boss after the first big purple explosion, heroic leap in front of the group with the dispel. Wait for the frontal, eat it with Shield Wall if you want it'll be a long time before you get it again. Use the brown swirlies (2 of them) to get in the inbetween realm and let the dot explode. No one takes damage, not even you

[dusky canopy]

Lmao jakey he gets so much hate for answering people directly

[gloomy hazel]

Some class discords do not take kindly to questions that are or aren't stated anywhere else on the internet, whether it is known or not LOL

[dusky canopy]

He can literally repeat nome 1 day later and get hate for it

It’s funny

I guess since you’ve been around as long as I have been Jordan you would know this

[scenic bough]

5t

[tired girder]

On last boss of underrot how you know that visage will spawn? It's random?

[sleek current]

Usually if it's in the pins, we'll tell you it's in the pins. If it's not, most people here will answer your question respectfully. 😄

[crude notch]

Orange name smarter than yellow name. Obviously.

[dusky canopy]

Oh I’m well aware you’re correct cough DK

[near steppe]

Thats it. Right before and frontal cast i feel like im about to die all the time. Somwthing i should be doing and missing? Or maybe the raid?

[dusky canopy]

Well ofc it’s in the description of the color

[fresh igloo]

blood visages spawn based on how much damage you've hit the boss w/ IIRC

[sleek current]

You should not be inside of the big purple circle, you should be stacked on your group in a desginated position. One of your raid will have a star on them this will be dispelled throwing you forwards. While in the air use heroic leap to gain some distance from the raid and point the boss away from them. You can even charge midair to gain some free rage.

Keep the boss in the middle until he does big purple circle. Most groups are using a gate to get to the edge really quickly. If you are using that, use it to get to where everyone else is.

[daring marlin]

You can tell when the adds will spawn based on his energy bar.

[tired girder]

Iirc?

[fresh igloo]

"if i recall correctly"

[crude notch]

if i remember cock

[gloomy hazel]

Last question (for now), does anyone have a simple stance tracker for prot that isn't an entire weak aura package for all spells/abilities? The ones I saw on wago were just fury/arms and/or didn't work for prot when I tried.

[daring marlin]

And it's tied directly to damage

[tired girder]

Thank you

[strong forum]

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[sleek current]

There is a macro somewhere that lets you switch between them using a keybind. It might be in the pins. Not sure.

[proper roost]

Bruh

Pain and gain even with the nerf does a lot idk

[strong forum]

literally just a bufftracker

[valid lintel]

hello guys, i kind of struggle to know what has priority in a 5mob pack when shield slam, tclap and revenge are up. any tips?

[strong forum]

SS > TC > revenge generally

theres always a prio mob in there that has to die, so SS is more value

SS generates more rage which means more rage

[valid lintel]

even if im about to overcap rage?

[strong forum]

SS also lowers LS CD and during 4pc buff SS is BY FAR your strongest dps button in all situations

[plush tendon]

just ignore pain

[strong forum]

ignore pain

[valid lintel]

oh i see

[spring ermine]

opinions on unnerving focus?

[plush tendon]

not wurf

[spring ermine]

for m+

[strong forum]

good in raid, in m+ you dont have the poits to afford it

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it does some healing but like I’m not failing anything because of it, but I would however fail if I don’t snap threat against a DH/evok/ret etc

[plush tendon]

I do good damage on prot war.... just feels like it takes a couple of globals too many to get there sometimes 😦

[crude notch]

please no spam in this channel sir, thank you.

[strong forum]

am i the only one that thinks pain and gain is whack?

[dusky canopy]

Titanic throw > pain and gain
Is just my preference I’m not necessarily advocating for or against it

[fresh igloo]

i've been liking titanic throw a lot more this season myself

[proper roost]

Yeh idk havent played with any giga dps yet

so i can see it

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s a must have imo

[proper roost]

Pwar threat is pretty ok but only if roar is up

[dusky canopy]

I never even think about threat I tatanic throw before every charge

Always

[proper roost]

for massive pulls

[dusky canopy]

It’s cake

[fresh igloo]

i actually dropped sidearm for it. still not sure what the best play is there.

[dusky canopy]

Side arm is really good though

[fresh igloo]

yeah

[proper roost]

Kind of a shame that blood and thunder only rends 5 targets

[dusky canopy]

I also focus damage as tank first

It’s what is fun to me

Well,

Living and then damage

If I can get away with a more damage option

That’s what I’m going to do

Is what I mean basically

[modern brook]

[dusky canopy]

That string actually puts a massive eggplant on the middle of the screen

[spring ermine]

anyone here doing 22-23 keys intime? how long are you in def stance?

[dusky canopy]

User beware

[dusky canopy]

I actually seem to be using it a lot more I typically only use it if I have no other form of defensive rolling

Sometimes if a tank buster is going to hit super hard I will also use it on top of like demo for example

[modern brook]

re: PnG - it can over heal which kills its usefulness imo

it doesnt compete with any of like pathing or mandatory talents tho so i think it just gets defaulted in

[crude notch]

getting it now

[dusky canopy]

Another example would be like nelt first pull, once spell block ends and wall is on cd I’m sitting dstance until the wardens are dead

Basically as most things tanking apply some logic to your decision making

[modern brook]

i havent even thought about splock since season shift ngl

SR stonks been goin crazy

barely need it

[dusky canopy]

Bro respect, wardens are super sketch for me

I don’t like my health bar ping ponging

[gloomy hazel]

thank you!

[modern brook]

is that Lair or Thus?

[dusky canopy]

thus

[modern brook]

on the first pull?

really?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah

[modern brook]

wild

the like only thing ive been concerned with has been making sure molten core doesnt go off

and then praying my dps can do mammoth

[dusky canopy]

Truuu

Mammoth hard wall

[modern brook]

the lava waves are toxic 😦

[dusky canopy]

Melee brain

I may or may not be guilty of charging THROUGH lava wave

[crude notch]

what level key are you doing where wardens aren't a problem for you bull

[dusky canopy]

I started using it at 17

But I also was 420 farming for my pogstorm at the time

15 ilvl makes a difference

Might be able to get away at higher now

[icy bane]

Group successfully gets past mammoth, absolutely annihilated by chargath

[dusky canopy]

No way

Rip

[icy bane]

Rip 21

[crude notch]

I hate a healer that hard struggled on mammoth and I was like this dude will not be able to finish the key and we +2'd it.

[icy bane]

Chargath spear just one shotting the arcane mage kek

[dusky canopy]

In my experience Resto Druid seems to like chains one stack at a time, all other healers like to pop all at once with a cooldown

I’ve also only done a bunch of 20s

At higher levels you probably can’t get away with popping all 3 chains at once even with a cd rolling

[icy bane]

Usually try to prioritize which class is gonna get obliterated first by the spear and go in a line but my spriest and mage just getting an annihilated

Two pulls two wipes, alright boys we tried our best

[crude notch]

evoker and mw want you to pop all at once for sure because they can just one tap that shit to safety

[modern brook]

does ice block not generate a chain?

[icy bane]

Mfw ppal alt just sacs one dps and boos the other ez gf boys

[icy bane]

No idea tbh

[modern brook]

neither do i

i imagine theres a reason hes not blocking tho

[icy bane]

Just saw the mage get one shot by the spear hit and that’s a wipe

[modern brook]

mage 🇱

[icy bane]

Feel like if someone dies with the chain two breaks should be enough to phase the boss

Instead of oop dps died guess we are dead 🙂

[modern brook]

every time we do that dungeon the 2nd set of chains bugs out and never gets sent

[icy bane]

Yeah seen that bug a ton also

[modern brook]

and we have to race the boss :/

i agree tho either the corpse should have a chain or 2 should be enough to end the phase

[icy bane]

You can’t go forge 2nd in that dungeon right? You have to do mammoth and chargath to get to the area correct?

[modern brook]

i think if u just go right forge can be done second

i havent tried going right since m0s tho

[icy bane]

Mmm might try that pathing of lust chargath, forge, 2nd lust mammoth

[modern brook]

its a good idea to try

I think the current dungeon list has a lot of room for creativity in routing

Hoi has like a prime deathskip between gulpgod and icequeen that no one has tried (to my knowledge)

im not sure how feasible it is but % wise its sooooo clean

[clear tulip]

What are some of the tougher bosses this season for Prot? Heavy DoT bosses?

In M+ sorry*

[daring marlin]

I can't think of any.

[modern brook]

^

I'd say the biggest issues this season for prot war is not having applicable externals/utility outside of "probably too much SR value"

not having bop for example makes all the like "oops you're dead mechanics (sharks, gnashtooth /bladestorm stuff, the spears from neltharus, etc etc)" suck harder

[candid niche]

did blizz change IP to scale with health now or does it still scale with AP ? was reading through earlier messages and saw someone claiming that they'd get bigger IP absorbs when using last stand.

[modern brook]

"both"

the size of the shield PER CAST is scaled off AP

the maximum size of the shield is scaled off max health

[candid niche]

oh shit yeah, for got about the cap being off hp

cool, so i haven't missed any new changes

[clear tulip]

Sweet thank you! How do we handle the new affixes?

[modern brook]

we dont :^)

bolt->1s->menace fear should last the duration of incorp

entangling u just walk out of

[proper roost]

you dont actually need to use two ccs when you have menacing

the cast terminates early if it despawns and it spawns for 20s

Menacing fear it anytime in its first cast and it will never recast in time

[toxic pewter]

wait are you guys actually running menace

[proper roost]

But also no

lol

[clear tulip]

Noice so kite out of entangling & use menace for incorp?

[modern brook]

not running menace either

The correct answer is "You take a hunter/mage/priest/paladin/dh and make them do it"

[proper roost]

entangling doesnt exist

but yes literally the exact way to deal with it is you run out

Avatar breaks it too

[toxic pewter]

just let dps/heals deal with incorp. in emergency can storm bolt it or target and just use int shout

[proper roost]

But also sometimes you have to eat the 3s stun it depends. we wont have entangling for like

at least two more weeks anyway probably

[toxic pewter]

for entangling get a ret pally to just freedom you

[clear tulip]

Word sounds good! Best Horde racial for M+? It's tough getting a solid answer for this one but i'll shoot!

[proper roost]

dwarf

[spring ermine]

thoughts on thunderlord?

[toxic pewter]

imo Vulpera is best suited horde race for m+ tanking

[strong forum]

dps loss

desyncs demo from CDs

[clear tulip]

Savage thank you for answering!

[strong forum]

costs a talentpoint you dont have

[clear tulip]

What do you run Nomeratur?

[strong forum]

the stuff pinned

[clear tulip]

ahh, ty 🙂

[crude notch]

Oh look

Just so you know only heroic throw is ranged for pwar

I guess ravager is too

[toxic pewter]

lol true

[crude notch]

It's our little inside joke, clutch gets it.

[clear tulip]

Aye @crude notch ! You'll be seeing me!

[crude notch]

My little pogchamp

[clear tulip]

#268491842637660160 says whichever race I like best @strong forum unless I'm missing something

[crude notch]

He misunderstood your question he thought you meant talents

He plays dwarf

[jagged pier]

the one u like the best

[clear tulip]

Every body is a dwarf 😂

[modern brook]

Tlord is still riding a lot of nostalgia from when Anger management affected like every cooldown including demoshout. since they tightened the scope on it, Tlords hasnt been particularly impressive as a legendary effect (as seen in SL; even when excluding reworked Reprisal). As a talent; it suffers from being a pathing talent thats worse than other pathing talents on the same path.

[proper roost]

I mean if you are at the level you are asking about racial choice, what you play doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

i mean yer stone form is the strongest racial

but it hardly matters

like at all

[proper roost]

But if you actually intend to push at all or even just do casual 20s

[toxic pewter]

just play whatever race u want

[clear tulip]

What level do you think I am @proper roost ?

[proper roost]

Prot warrior gets fucked by everything dwarf fixes

[clear tulip]

I'm just asking good questions

[proper roost]

Too low for race choice to matter

Because youre asking the question

Just like every other person who asks it every day here

[crude notch]

There's the answer you're used to clutch, you can always rely on Jakey for those.

Kanga, calm down

[clear tulip]

Wrong brother

[proper roost]

panda argument this morning

or whatever it was about lol i didnt read

[crude notch]

Lol

[clear tulip]

Solid, clearly explained questions are considered arguements in class discords? Lol c'mon, homie was just conversating not arguing 🤣

[crude notch]

No harm in him asking what race Nome plays.

He already knew that it ultimately doesn't matter

[nocturne spindle]

you play kultiran so you can be big fat stronk warrior

[proper roost]

Your ego don't need to be hurt by someone on discord saying you asking about race choice is an indicator of your play level, baby girl

[toxic pewter]

this season there arent too many major bleeds.. fort uldaman is annoying I will say

[clear tulip]

Sweet thanks boys 💪 tank city

[crude notch]

Keep up the good work clutch. Don't let these weirdos get you down.

[toxic pewter]

let us know which race you pick

[proper roost]

Spoken like someone who didnt get FUCKED by 20 hoi fort trash last week

[toxic pewter]

O_O

I mean I just kite a bit more lol

for the basilisks

and its fine

[proper roost]

and also pugs that keep forgetting to kill ticks in ur

[toxic pewter]

kite in a circle

[proper roost]

[modern brook]

can u S key the spear bleed in hoi?

i feel like u can S key everything now a days

[proper roost]

kind of but no

it has a bit bigger range

[crude notch]

Yes you can

[proper roost]

its like a short range frontal aoe

[crude notch]

100% every time.

[toxic pewter]

honestly i timed a 20 hoi last week and didnt even realize i was getting a bleed

lmao

[proper roost]

usually stops are a bit better tho cuz u need to stop on the glorbs anyway

[crude notch]

The lizard people do it at the start apb, you wouldn't notice it in a key that matters because you're cranking out stops nonstop anyways.

[toxic pewter]

yeah dude

I wont lie i keep those guys locked down hard

I actually love dwarf, I have a dwarf warr myself but sometimes the dwarflords are a bit over the top O_O

[chilly ermine]

hey, guys, i have 2 pc t30 now, should i equip them and lose the 4pc bonus from t29?

[nocturne spindle]

yes

[toxic pewter]

hell yeah u should

[nocturne spindle]

make sure to talent swap as well

[crude notch]

Yes 2/2 it up

[chilly ermine]

is the new bonus this strong?

ok, thank you guys

[toxic pewter]

its strong and more fun imo

[nocturne spindle]

like 20% boost to SS

fun times

also 100% uptime is ezpz

on SB

[chilly ermine]

and i will go with "bolster" with the new set, corect?

sounds great

[toxic pewter]

yah check pins for build

[chilly ermine]

ok

[daring marlin]

tempted to go tauren on my pally

and orc on warrior again

[tired girder]

"First craft should be Shield to get a 447 Shield as it is your most important defensive item" this shield have a name? how i craft iy

[fresh igloo]

primal molten defender

[tired girder]

ty7

[icy atlas]

If I use a shadowflame spark to craft a piece of gear at 424, can I later recraft it using an enchanted wyrm / aspect crest?

[fresh igloo]

yup

[icy atlas]

Cool thanks

[sick sentinel]

dracothyst is expensive

rest of wyrm one isn't expensive

[woven gust]

hey is there a comprehensive list of 10.1.5 changes for prot?

[toxic pewter]

uh.. 0 changes so far as far as I know..

[woven gust]

WHELP

that answers that question

lmao

[fresh igloo]

prot has had one bug fix that lowered our damage

and nothing else since early season 1

[woven gust]

well that sucks 😦 i was looking up stuff for prot warr and guardian druid for my guild and i just assumed there would be changes. that's a big sad for yall

[fresh igloo]

eh.

prot warrior is in a decent place rn honestly, it's just suffering a lot from all the FOTM re-rollers that went warrior - > paladin

wouldn't mind some damage buffs to compensate what we lost tho

pug scene can be rough

gotta have meta comps for muh +9

[woven gust]

that's fair. i normally run with a guardian druid or prot pal (those are my guild's main tanks) so i dont get to see prot war that much. i generally enjoy running with them though

[fresh igloo]

for the most part people should really just play the tank spec they enjoy playing.

[tropic gorge]

Meta slaves will always be meta slaves

Thankfully, those types of players usually hit burnout fairly quickly

[nocturne spindle]

i mean as much fun as it is to hate fotm rerollers

paladin does just feel fun on fights cause you can do all the things

actually cc incorps this week

[tropic gorge]

Imo paladins have pretty much always been strong tanks. For sure since bfa

[nocturne spindle]

theyll be able to cleanse the next M+ thing

bubble cheese on zskarn

they just do fun things

[crude notch]

Well, living was the problem prior to DF. Now they have all the utility AND can't die so bam, meta.

Their kit is designed to be meta for something like m+ all it's dependent on outside of that is living.

[tropic gorge]

Meh. Be a warrior. Become too angry to die

[proper roost]

ppal was not very strong in SL with the same exact kit lol

Its just tuning

[daring marlin]

https://twitter.com/jet_limit1/status/1662120324274454534?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv22ZNTqA

Jet (@Jet_Limit1)

"i like the upgrade system cuz it lets me play my alts" bro you can play your alt and main at the same time, being finished /w gearing in 2 weeks isn't what makes something alt friendly. Even ffxiv where 1 character can play every class doesn't let you get savage geared this fast

Twitter · May 26, 2023, 3:35 PM

These people crack me up

Tell me you play the game like a job without telling me

[proper roost]

kinda dont disagree with his point later tho tbh

gearing this season was too fast

[strong forum]

it was too fast

[proper roost]

capping crests at 4 a week would be good i think

Aspect would be really tight that way which is interesting

also a low crest cap makes the whole "i gotta spam 11-15s even tho i dont need shit" much less relevant

Basically entirely irrelevant if you did h raid

that being said, being gearcapped on main in week 3 is 100% giga alt friendly lol

I could probably just do one 20 a week and be good for the rest of the season

[daring marlin]

As someone who only really has a few hours to play a day I prefer it this way to arbitrary timegates and relying on the vault so much.

[proper roost]

i mean the thing is capping crests lower would actually help w that

atm youre only gearcapped if you actually spammed keys for crests for the last 3 weeks (two, whatever)

[crude notch]

We'll see, next season will be a pivotal marker on what their mindset is on gear progression. Since they've already announced they plan on going ahead with the system but with tweaks.

[proper roost]

A low crest cap would mean you can still play less and would be same gear curve as everyone

[fresh igloo]

DF has had a lot of bugs and things, but overall they've been very responsive to iterating on refining things.

[icy atlas]

I'm trying to get a r5 frostfire belt and this guy is telling me to send an r4 work order and he'll get me r5, is it a scam?

[fresh igloo]

not necessarily.

[proper roost]

Instead of being gapped by the turbonerds (me) that capped crests week 1 and 2

[fresh igloo]

if they are recrafting it until inspo procs

[icy atlas]

kk

ty

[crude notch]

Yeah you can't send r5 requests if it's proc dependent

[fresh igloo]

if you send it requiring Q5 then they can't even accept the order even if they could inspire to it, unless they are close enough to burn insight on it to guarantee

[chilly ermine]

so using last stand on cd is the new way to go with 2pc set?

[icy bane]

Yeah definitely preferred this season, I nolife the first week of m+ got the shit I needed from m+, now I can just chill Do my weekly raids, and push keys

[crude notch]

I think it's interesting because what if the only time you have is to go all out is week one.

[icy atlas]

okay thanks dude

what is typical comish, like 500?

[crude notch]

Uh

[icy atlas]

he said send something good lol

[fresh igloo]

yeah, I know some people are like me and can be quite busy with work but take a vacation day or something for new expansions /seasons to get ahead.

[daring marlin]

Pretty much same. Finished all portals week 2 and haven't done a whole lot since. I'll push more soon, though.

[fresh igloo]

as a BS that can max crafts when I'm being nice I usually am still making a couple thousand gold.

[icy atlas]

cool I'll send like 4k

[fresh igloo]

max crafted ilvl profs in DF took a lot of work every week to invest in.

[icy bane]

Yeah tyrannical bosses still feel a bit overtuned smh

[daring marlin]

Got a 21 UR to start this week off good though

[crude notch]

I think what is the proper amount of speed in gear progression is something that's quite contested by the playerbase

[daring marlin]

[icy bane]

Love that

[fresh igloo]

someone is always pissed, you can't win lol

[icy bane]

Tried to push Uldaman but the bleed on the snake boss is chunking DPS

[crude notch]

Like some think gearing should take months, others want the gear to push early.

[proper roost]

it's all very subjective certainly

Havent seen too many people express that 2-3 week cap is without flaws tho

[fresh igloo]

this is very much personal opinion and wild speculation but it feels as tho this season is intended to be easier possibly so more players feel comfortable trying to push their limits instead of just saying "I can't even attempt that"

[cerulean vault]

guys you prefer crit over vers nowadays¿

[fresh igloo]

crit haste

[crude notch]

Any gear progression speed has flaws no one would say otherwise

This current speed's flaw mostly rests in someone who took the first week off being behind in ilvl and as such might not be getting invites, but it's certainly not the raid logging weirdo who wants a slower gear progression, just because.

[proper roost]

well

i worded it too passively

mostly mean that most people are saying its too fast

havent really seen that many people who say this speed of gearing is right

[fresh igloo]

how are you defining "most people"

[crude notch]

"most people" in reference to who, people that have Twitter.

[proper roost]

subjective 🙂

[crude notch]

If you poll non degenerates you might get a different answer.

Surely you can consider that.

[proper roost]

we agreed that gearing speed desires are subjective, right? my impression from friends, guildies, disc, is that most people think it's a bit too fast

subjective opinion subjective polling shrug

[fresh igloo]

the RWF/top mythic people/streamers talking on twitter are definitely not representative of the player base at large.

[proper roost]

i dont read twitter

[crude notch]

Like I did 200 keys the first two weeks, I can also admit MOST people don't do that.

[proper roost]

and my guild is v casual

[fresh igloo]

how casual

[proper roost]

2/9 gamers

[modern brook]

? People are saying gearing is too fast?

[fresh igloo]

I think a lot of people don't understand how different their bubble is from a lot of others.

[proper roost]

maybe 4 this monday!

[crude notch]

If you've touched mythic you're part of the 1%

[fresh igloo]

yup

[modern brook]

It's literally the same speed as legion

[crude notch]

You're not a part of most people

[fresh igloo]

at this point if you have serious heroic prog you're ahead of a lot of the player base lol

[modern brook]

It's a side effect of sets

[crude notch]

Being in this discord immediately excludes you from being a part of any majority of the playerbase

[modern brook]

Well maybe a bit faster with the omni token

But having old set > new ilvl makes gearing fairly easy season to season

[crude notch]

You gained 50% more loot from keys in BfA.

And you had your extra rolls.

[daring marlin]

seems like people forget lmao

[modern brook]

I think it's just wow players looking for something to complain about again tbh

[crude notch]

People think this is stupid fast just because SL was probably the slowest in quite some time.

In fact SL people were complaining about how slow gearing was

Can never win.

[daring marlin]

I'm of the opinion if someone degens enough then more power to 'em

timegates are lame

[olive bay]

Does anyone use Quazii's WA/ElvUI setup? Just curious how you find it if you do

[limber prawn]

Hi
Just starting prot war after coming over from Guardian Druid.
Is it common to Macro Avatar to another spell to ensure always having it active?

[olive bay]

Not really? Just hit the button

[crude notch]

They've already taken up the approach in DF of, we're going to keep you subbed by releasing more content faster instead of giving you some power level to grind all season.

[crude notch]

I like his plater. I've used his UI before too and his WAs but I'm very picky about my UI so I stick to making my own.

[olive bay]

I'm just watching his UI video now.There's some things I like about it, others I don't

I'm still using Ceverion's plater from when I mained rogue

[modern brook]

Generally speaking, macros are frowned upon. so much of the core game play is cycling cds that its often relevent to have buttons for all of them

[proper roost]

ye, my only recent context for gearing speed since legion was SL S3

i don't think you have to jump to malice as some kind of conclusion

I just skipped bfa 🤷

fwiw gearing speed in legion I definitely felt was way slower. shrug

[ruby musk]

I use quaziis plater. It took a little getting used to and I had to watch a clip of him explaining the color coding for what it means, but it's good.

[crude notch]

Who jumped to malice lol

[dusky canopy]

I like the gearing speed this season

I’m a fan of my only upgrades coming from vault

[crude notch]

Gearing speed in Legion was you spammed getting 3 chests which once again is more gear from keys than currently or you spammed keys to get TF

[dusky canopy]

I get fomo like super hard when it comes to wow

So fast gear makes it feel way better

[modern brook]

I dont get people who play wow for the gearing tbh

[proper roost]

Idk thats a bit revisionist

Legion had 3 chests but key loot was actually kinda bad

[modern brook]

like if u open a full vault and theres nothing to pick thats like... good.

[proper roost]

mostly

[dusky canopy]

Same honestly

[jovial birch]

The chase is going to be if you got any drops BiS drops from below a 17 and then chasing highest ilvl BiS from vault. Plus raid weapons/trinkets.

[daring marlin]

ME AS WELL

[jovial birch]

There is multiple tiers of gear upgrades for the same piece whether you view that as good or bad is subjective.

[daring marlin]

BFA gearing had some interesting bits

Like if you PvP'd AND did M+

[dusky canopy]

If I could just select all my bis gear from a vendor like tournament realm and then focus on pushing content I’d be very happy

[daring marlin]

Two disappointment boxes!

[dusky canopy]

I know that’s probably a weird opinion to have but yeah

[jovial birch]

It’s not a weird opinion I have heard that before. It’s just not how WoW has ever been or ever will be.

[daring marlin]

I don't think it's weird. I like chasing gear but I have fun just playing.

[dusky canopy]

Like then I can just focus on pushing score rather than, I have to run VP 90 times for X trinket

If I can’t play for a week it doesn’t matter because I’m not missing out on a 447 I’m already BiS

Does that kinda explain my logic well?

Idk lol

And I agree I really just enjoy playing

[modern brook]

I like the gearing process, but like I know so many people thay like hit their gearing goal and just stop playing

And it's like

[ancient cosmos]

I just want a tiny bit of bad luck protection. That's it, the rest is good, but like 50+ Nel to not see a mace feels god awful

[modern brook]

I delayed my 4pc so you could quit 2 months into the season >.>

[dusky canopy]

I don’t get that at all bull, when you hit bis you can finally play the game

[daring marlin]

I.E. the past three nights I spent a few hours each night wiping to heroic sark in AOTC only groups

[modern brook]

My new gearing policy is I get all the gear and fuck the team

Those hos ain't loyal

[daring marlin]

idgaf I had fun

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[daring marlin]

Sounds like a buddy of mine

Give him gear and he either quits or moves on to another character begging for loot

while not reciprocating

[dusky canopy]

Every group of people has those types ^

It’s entertaining

[daring marlin]

When he asks to do keys now I go on my rat alts

[crude notch]

I don't get raid loggers complaining about gear being too fast. Like if you're in a HoF guild and you don't push keys, wtf you care about gear progression after you kill the boss.

You're raid logging reclears and doing nothing else in the game. The gear progression hasn't changed for you if you're still hunting for the 450s.

[daring marlin]

Same reason people complained about TF.

[mighty valley]

there was a lot to complain about in team fortress

[summer flax]

holy shit, this cloak is such a bait item

2% uptime in m+

very pog

[torn gulch]

with no stam?

kekw

[summer flax]

-30k hp

ye

[torn gulch]

crit haste back from m+ or crafted normal back

is the play

[mighty valley]

honestly fine if raid cloak is good in raid

[crude notch]

That's gotta be a bug

[summer flax]

dont think its a bug, it just stacks super slow, and its overhyped

[mental scarab]

wich of the shields do we wonna craft?

[torn gulch]

primal molten defender

[crude notch]

I need to look at logs with that cloak later.

[torn gulch]

crit/haste or haste/vers

[mental scarab]

so the proc thing is ass?

[summer flax]

yeh

[mental scarab]

aight

[crude notch]

There are better embellishments correct.

[torn gulch]

i'm a simple man I play double patch

[mental scarab]

oh

the shdowflame

[crude notch]

Yep you either do that or you do the ffb and patch

[kind urchin]

I only have one patch right now 🙁

[chrome falcon]

do we know if 441 forgestorm > ilvl

i will sim myself if it's contextual obviously

[jovial birch]

Are you asking if it is better then a 447 crafted?

[chrome falcon]

ya basically

[crude notch]

Yes it is

[chrome falcon]

thank u

[strong forum]

cloak is bugged rn

[summer flax]

is there any info on that? cant find anything

[crude notch]

Yeah he just gave it to you

[summer flax]

kek

[strong forum]

there was/is a bug of it stealing stats from a player but never returning the stats

so i imagine it cant re-steal from that stolen target

so its just afk

[restive scroll]

In Sarkareth P2, can we go down and explode like we do in P3?
I tried, seemed to work & to avoid the bump of the debuff

[jagged pier]

i mean u can just walk out

[strong forum]

in p2 you can just walk out

[knotty venture]

do you know if the cloak bug has been reported? and is there a log? I can forward it up

[strong forum]

only heard of it

apparently its fixed

[restive scroll]

I know, but in Heroic, the bump can be dangerous

particularly in PUGs

that's why I'm wondering

[strong forum]

just run out

[jagged pier]

but u have leap

[strong forum]

legit just heroic leap when its about to pop

[jagged pier]

and the dispell should happen after the tank debuff goes off anyway

[restive scroll]

Should != pug :D

[strong forum]

are you talking about the tank explosion?

or the void bomb that you pick up

[restive scroll]

tank explosion

[soft plume]

for the first boss of NL should i take the razor shards hit or try to dodge it

[strong forum]

literally just leap out where no player is

like thats all there is to it

[proper roost]

There is zero reason to ever eat this

[latent steppe]

biggest solution to bleeds in Uldaman

[proper roost]

Moving in the shards is less dtps than eating a razor shard

[restive scroll]

It should, yet, I got bumped out

[strong forum]

first boss you can just sidestep

[restive scroll]

after leap

[jagged pier]

actually its the S key

[restive scroll]

But thank you for the feedback :)

[jagged pier]

as u can always S key

[latent steppe]

you cant S key chomps

[jagged pier]

u dont always have stonrform

[soft plume]

so for razor shards i can aim it at all and if i leap out just before its cast its not gonna casually turn towards me and cleave someone else right?

[latent steppe]

once the channel is started it hits you no matter what

[strong forum]

the boss razor shard you can aim away

[latent steppe]

but for snakes, its true

[strong forum]

the mobs razor shard you cant aim away

that you just have to eat

[latent steppe]

jagged bite ez S key solution

like spear flurry and draco breath in HoI

[latent steppe]

still mah boi is the biggest solution for chomps of basilisks

[proper roost]

You dont have to leap out for the boss lol just move to the side a bit

You should also not really be max range of rokmora IMO it makes it harder for melee to hit the skitterers

Just have to keep your eyeballs on the melee field so you can give them max access to skitterer damage

and also tanks tend to not move rokmora enough. u have a huge room and the pools slowly despawn

[soft plume]

i've had people complain if i dont keep the boss tucked into the cubby hole where he starts, is that bad?

[jagged pier]

u cant keep him there

the green pools stop that happening

[proper roost]

The people complaining have no idea what theyre talking about

u should move the boss a decent amount throughout the fight to allow melee access + skitterer damage

As long as hes always facing away from group for razor shards

as i said, the room is large

[soft plume]

can i move out of razor shards as soon as its starting to be channeled or do i wait until right before the cast goes off

[toxic gyro]

When it starts channeling it

[soft plume]

so after he starts channeling it i can move and i don thave to worry about it turning to hit me and anyone next to me?

[toxic gyro]

Yes

[sleek current]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it will follow you.

[jovial birch]

If it doesn’t follow that’s great and news to me.

[proper roost]

It does not follow.

Please don't spread misinfo

[jovial birch]

I have always been to scared of killing someone to try it

[proper roost]

The trash mob razorshards follow, the boss does not

[sleek current]

Fair beef.

[nocturne spindle]

you can always check if frontals follow you

[proper roost]

Always been that way

[sleek current]

Spread misinfo. 😂

[nocturne spindle]

you can just wiggle back and forth

[sleek current]

Bruh as if I'm out here preaching the boss doesn't follow.

[nocturne spindle]

the mob will turn on a dime if it follows you

if not get out

[jovial birch]

Hard to tell on him when I’m sandwiched up against a wall with him all up in my grill.

Thanks for the tip though!

[strong forum]

aoe apl will receive a small update soon tm

its practically just if 2pc/4pc equipped prio SS until 7 targets, and full hard prio SS when 4pc buff is up

[sleek current]

Nice one. Thanks, Nom

[strong forum]

should see an increase of 5-7k dps

depending on targets ofc and buffs

[soft plume]

whats apl

[strong forum]

action priority list

basically the parameter to tell the sim what to do in what order

[crude notch]

Gj Mr orange man, see you in six months

[past hemlock]

Just curious is there a break point were i should start to look at other stats ahead of haste some type of haste cap? or is it always hats and the verse and crit in equal measures?

[strong forum]

the mega hard cap is 7100

thats where you want to hardstop haste

but as gear is rn, you cant reach that point

unless you get literally the 1000 haste neck and 2 900 haste rings

[crude notch]

Maybe season 4.

[strong forum]

and get the ominous essence trinket with haste buff

and haste engi bracers

then you could prolly reach that point

[nocturne spindle]

apm go nyoom

[past hemlock]

ok so the reason i ask is on wowhead i think it was i read that at 30% we hit deminishing returns, im guessing then if we went more crit/vers at this point we are only boosting DPS not actual survivability?

[crude notch]

You always gain survivability from any stat gained

[uneven mason]

40% and no you keep pushing ilvl with haste focus as you can

[crude notch]

Even after dr

[strong forum]

the 10% DR gained on haste doesnt matter much, cuz despite the 10% DR you still get more stats per point from haste than from vers for example

[sick sentinel]

too bad enchanters can't multicraft x8 or even x2 enchanted crests

[proper roost]

The initial dr isnt that bad

[uneven mason]

Vers is an expensive cow

[strong forum]

180 Crit = 1% Crit
170 Haste = 1% Haste
180 Mastery = 1 Mastery Point
205 Vers = 1% Vers

so even with the added 10% DR on haste, its still only 187 haste for 1%

still almost 20 points cheaper than vers

[sick sentinel]

first "diminishing returns" points

[strong forum]

need a casual 1050 vers more to reach 30% than haste

[sick sentinel]

versa mastery bullshit..... madge

[strong forum]

pain

[noble viper]

Curious question is shadow flame the go to for prot now?

[strong forum]

is pretty good yes

[daring marlin]

Wonder if it's still 100k for the patch

[noble viper]

Welp bc I built my frost belt

[modern brook]

Got 2 on my server for 20k total

[daring marlin]

fuck you buddy

respectfully

[modern brook]

If only

[proper roost]

arent shadowflame prices regionwide

since theyre reagents or

[oblique kayak]

bought 5 of them when they were wrong listed for 10k each XD

[strong forum]

if youd check the pin

youd know that belt is just as good

[noble viper]

Oh didn’t see the pin

[sick sentinel]

how much gold to put in for public

[strong forum]

500-1k

not more

[oblique kayak]

everything provided nothing yeah

[sick sentinel]

could buy wow token if i really wanted to

but, no

[oblique kayak]

i love at the request with 5 sgadowflame alloy and not provided. Costs 120k to build - offers 2k xd

[sick sentinel]

one guy i contacted got mad that i didn't offer enough gold

so i just blocked him

[strong forum]

all the guy has to do is press craft

if you have the audacity to ask for more gold then idk

[crude notch]

Catch that report if you ask for anything for crest crafts.

Yo why does main stat gem cost 15k to 3*

Someone wanted to charge me 15k and I was like I'll stick with secondaries thanks.

[strong forum]

cuz you cant guarantee 3*

[proper roost]

They have to use an insight

[strong forum]

thats why i only use 2* mainstat gem

cba praying for inspo procs

[cinder pasture]

Wait, I can charge 15k for using an insight ? I'm drowning in mettle 😂

[proper roost]

but you can get a multicraft proc which is nice

last week i got a 4x multicraft proc from someone

so uhh

im set for the rest of the expansion

[strong forum]

yeah you can charge for using insight

cuz its a limited resource that only the crafter can provide

[jovial birch]

Just gotta find the right person who is rolling in mettle and doesn’t care how much you pay them to use it.

Like me crafting weapons. I will use insight to 5 star not matter the tip. I just don’t care.

[sick sentinel]

i used like, way too much on first craft tools for engneer points

[uneven mason]

To assure a 447 recraft it's std to charge 10-15 for the insight

[jovial birch]

For sure, I just don’t care if I make gold and would rather the person have the weapon the want.

[sick sentinel]

so, i new spark'd my shield, and i now have a another new spark and a wyrms echanted crest,

so, i should crest the shield and spark the belt?

[crude notch]

Maybe I become a JC

[sick sentinel]

this is FFB

[past hemlock]

@strong forum@uneven mason thank you for your help, im clearer on the fact that just stick the haste but a little more confused as to then go vers or crit seams like it should be crit but vers feels right

[strong forum]

whatever you feel like

[jovial birch]

I’ve been really lucky and sold 2.5m of BOEs this raid tier already I don’t need the 10-15k for using insight.

[strong forum]

crit is more dmg and parry

[nocturne spindle]

crit more DEEPS

vers less tank buster hurty

[sick sentinel]

ya go crit

[strong forum]

just as an fyi

[sick sentinel]

crit = double dmg

[strong forum]

you need to invest 4000 vers to get a 10% damage reduction

[uneven mason]

Literally whatever is on the higher ilvl

[strong forum]

which is 1 keylevel worth of reduction

[crude notch]

Ikari people get that

[uneven mason]

See if we put this on the priority list people would be like "vers, ew"

[proper roost]

Less damage taken as a tank

Fucked up

[crude notch]

There's more to Gearing than it ilvl in this patch especially. Everything is the same ilvl at this point because of how upgrading works.

Get with the times ikari

No one would be coming in here saying 431 cloak or 424 cloak because that 424 is essentially a 431.

[sick sentinel]

first try self craft

i don't feel like investing 10k on flames, i got spikes

[proper roost]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

it was 424 until just now

[toxic pewter]

Nice grats

[hardy fractal]

anyone tried using shadowed impact buckler at all

[crude notch]

Proud of you yogi screw the haters

[spring ermine]

In the pinned messages it is literally mentioned that defensive trinkets such as Talisman of the Cragshaper are great. People went nuts earlier when I considered that def trinkets are an option.

[proper roost]

It says they are notable

Notable does not necessarily mean great especially in all situations

[spring ermine]

Yeah its literally listed together with beacon and forgestorm

[fresh igloo]

also people didn't "go nuts"

they explained why "notable trinket isn't the same as something I'd bother using"

[proper roost]

[spring ermine]

Yeah some said stuff like "if you need to ask that question you are not pushing high keys anyway" etc

[proper roost]

This conversation actually happens every day with people having to be explained what notable means

Intriguing

[spring ermine]

Ok so def trinkets are notable but still not something you should bother using...or how can this be understood?

[real fossil]

the top ook ook trinket combo would be beacon and what, like mark of dargrul?

[strong forum]

ye

well technically

bacon + neltharions call

for aoe***

for st its bacon + mark

[spring ermine]

I mean why are these trinkets listed there, if not to use them? "hey guys check out these trinkets, they're notable, however please dont use them, just check them out"

[sleek current]

Hey mate, if you're struggling with a specific mechanic or want to pull a dicey pack and a defensive trinket makes the difference that's when you want to use it. Typically your kit has everything you need to survive but, like people have mentioned in high keys you need every advantage sometimes.

[real fossil]

what procs as aoe? revenge + thunder smash?

[strong forum]

theyre mentioned because theyre good if you push very high keys

[strong forum]

ye

[spring ermine]

yeah that is literally what i said...that defensive trinkets are good in very high keys

[strong forum]

its not illegal to run defensive trinkets if theyre good

this time around we actually have good defensive trinkets

but theyre by no means must haves

[spring ermine]

yeah for sure not a must have, just a viable option

[strong forum]

tanks should be first

cuz they gain the most dmg from it and it does just as much as a dps would

[proper roost]

flat damage trinkets on tanks... good???

[strong forum]

a dps doesnt make the trinket better

the trinket stays as good as it is

dps getting prio over tanks for it is just dps having an ego and wanting to look bigger on the dmg meter

but the dps gain for raid is larger on a tank

[sleek current]

Thanks for the info. I'll bring it up. Gently. Haha

[strong forum]

stat proc trinkets, now those are better for dps cuz they can utilise the stats better

but a flat dmg proc?

does the dmg no matter who wears it

[sleek current]

It'll be some nice mastery for me as well with my current 15%

[strong forum]

unless you compare a crit vers wearer vs a haste mastery wearer

crit vers users will get more dmg from bacon than haste mastery users

[warm plinth]

Yeah give my outlaw rogue all the trinkets

[strong forum]

but thats the only difference

[spring ermine]

shadowflame wreathe or sophic devotion?

[sleek current]

Depends what you're doing

[spring ermine]

elaborate

[sleek current]

Sophic is generally more defensive

As in the haste

[strong forum]

shadowflame sims good in ST
sophic is better on aoe and defensive

sophic is mainstat, not haste

wafting is the haste one

[sleek current]

Oh my bad

[spring ermine]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Nextback#season=season-df-2

this is the current rank 1 prot warr

[strong forum]

dont look at nextback

[sick sentinel]

besides yogi doesn't taunt what kills healers in neltharus

which bosses really

[spring ermine]

i dont understand, you guys say dont look at nextback, dont look at tatman

yet you say you are only pushing 20s

[strong forum]

nextbacks logs are horrendous

[spring ermine]

he's literally the rank 1 prot warr, so seems logs are not everything

[sleek current]

He's built different mate

In his mind

[daring marlin]

Your RL is a buffoon and your Warlock is lazy.

[strong forum]

rio comes from playing alot and having a decent group to do so

not from being the best at your spec

[daring marlin]

they have so many good trinkets

[sleek current]

I'll not snip that and send it to him whether I agree with the statement or not, Guilford. 😂

[spring ermine]

@sleek current what are you saying? he would be even better with other talents but he intentionally handicaps himself?

[daring marlin]

beacon ain't one of them

I wouldn't either just find it hilarious he'd waste beacon on a lock

big oof

[strong forum]

his talent build is alright, i dont agree with defenders aegis as you rarely need sw back to back 3 times in a 1.5min window

[spring ermine]

btw nextback also doesnt skill bloodsurge

[strong forum]

yes

cuz he has spellblock in

as i suggested when you need spellblock you drop bloodsurge

which you can read in the pin

[spring ermine]

yea thats fine, just people earlier went nuts about spellblock, saying there is no reason to use it ever besides nelt blabla

[strong forum]

which is true

[modern brook]

Aren't warlock trinkets like hard locked as fragment and the nelth one

[daring marlin]

Should be

[modern brook]

Cause double on use demon summons are busted

[sleek current]

Agreed

[jagged pier]

I mean that is true u get more vakue out of bloodsurge in ever other dungeon

[spring ermine]

well why is nextback playing it then? do you have experience on 24 keys nomeratur?

[strong forum]

what does it have to do with experience when i know the dmg pattern and sources

?

[spring ermine]

but why is he playing it if its worse xD

[final mist]

People at those level of keys do things specifically for those levels of keys, you can't just blindly copy them. And as the others said, just because you do high keys doesn't necessarily mean you always make the correct choice.

[spring ermine]

@final mist hes playing spellblock in many dungeons

[strong forum]

youd think hed play his correct rotation too then

which he doesnt

[jagged pier]

Brah the guy your talking about couldnt get over 70% blocked hits in SLs when 90 was easy to get

[strong forum]

he doesnt manage his outburst usage

[final mist]

Ex. He's using a ST Annulet setup, I imagine because he's pushing 24s and 25s and wants the ST damage.

[spring ermine]

why is he rank 1 then and not you

[strong forum]

cuz nextback bothers

[proper roost]

because only nobodies push in week 3 lol

[jagged pier]

Cause he has a team

[proper roost]

its week 3 lmao

and the season is 20 weeks long

[jagged pier]

All u need to push is a team and a want i guess

[final mist]

And time

[jagged pier]

Amazingly most of use cba

[fresh igloo]

it's like people have never heard of how there's coaches and players on a team.

[daring marlin]

This especially

[final mist]

If I had more time to play than 3 hours a night and a full squad, id be pushing 26s atm

[fresh igloo]

you don't say the coaches are stupid and ignorant just cuz they're not the ones on the field.

[jagged pier]

Oh and u have to enjoy keys

So im out of pushing

[hollow bolt]

keys are cringe

[daring marlin]

MOOD SAL

[spring ermine]

@fresh igloo yeah but as a coach you need to have some kind of past reference. how many past rank 1 players are here?

[jagged pier]

Get me portals and im done

[oak ivy]

Why tf does intervene not work on marked for butchery thats such shit

[daring marlin]

just stand in front of them

bruhhhh

[final mist]

I mean I was higher ranked in the past than you ever were, so that probably counts for something I guess

[daring marlin]

also cuz it's an AoE

[final mist]

Idk

[spring ermine]

define higher ranked

[oak ivy]

the fixate..?

[spring ermine]

you dont even know how i was ranked

[fresh igloo]

I mean I'm not one of them, but there's people in here with world top ranks and the actual builders of the sims, etc.

[hollow bolt]

someone with ranks probably not asking these kinda questions

[fast knot]

You're asking a lot of questions that would infer a lower position

[final mist]

:v

[jagged pier]

I was top 10 in raid last season before i quit does that count?

[final mist]

They don't know pepelaugh

[spring ermine]

@fast knot being open to new positions, informing yourself and asking questions is not a sign of being a bad player :D however just accepting whatever is written is

[strong forum]

so youre saying, because i know exactly how the class plays and should be played, but dont push keys my expertise doesnt count

[daring marlin]

Is that not the first boss BH charge?

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

im not trying to be hostile

[final mist]

You're asking questions and then telling people who theorycraft that they don't know the answer

[spring ermine]

@strong forum if you have some kind of past achievements, your expertise certainly counts more

because theory != practice

[daring marlin]

oh lord

[strong forum]

do r1 dmg logs count as anything?

[hollow bolt]

yeah i guess you guys are dogshit, just cause you wrote the guide and theroycraft and beta test dosent mean shit since ur not rank 1 eu challanger west like me

[final mist]

LoL player spotted, opinion disregarded

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[spring ermine]

im not saying anybody here is dogshit, im just challenging some positions. im open to being wrong.

[hollow bolt]

told htere wrong

NO IM NOT

IM OPEN TO BEING WRONG

[strong forum]

then let me tell you that not min-maxing outburst and overprioritising thunderclap and reveng in m+ over shieldslam is not the play

[final mist]

We told you why those things are wrong and you decided we weren't ranked high enough for the answers to have satisfied you

[spring ermine]

about which point are you talking? spellblock? @hollow bolt

[strong forum]

aswell as having sub-par blocked melee hits

[hollow bolt]

sorry mate link rank 1 prog or your blocked

[strong forum]

you dont need rio score to do that

[jagged pier]

If u want to ask go as nextback?

[strong forum]

now regarding spellblock again

[spring ermine]

@hollow bolt i dont even know to which point you are referring to

[jagged pier]

Becausee apprently his opinion is the only valid one

[strong forum]

Uldaman and Neltharus are good dungeons for it

FH -> doesnt have magic dmg
BH -> doesnt have magic dmg
HoI -> doesnt have magic dmg that you cant outplay
VP - > doesnt have magic dmg
NL -> only piercing shard and i guess your odd tank buster that you cant reflect from a boss
UR -> doesnt have magic dmg

[hollow bolt]

i just yell for rezz in nl

[spring ermine]

you guys ever checked how much rage bloodsurge gives total? in %? it's not a lot.

[strong forum]

9-12%

[proper roost]

this is so powerful dude, one guy baited all of you into dickwaving

[hollow bolt]

[strong forum]

i mean its an informative discussion

[proper roost]

real sausagefest in here

[strong forum]

losing out on that much rage is kind of a big deal

to gain nothing

ykno

[spring ermine]

yeah I also enjoy it only some people apparently cant stand having different viewpoints

nomeratur is fine though

[jagged pier]

Then loosing out on the rage from the wall as well

Is even bigger

[strong forum]

like, by all means, play spellblock everywhere, but youre just handicapping yourself because lazy

[spring ermine]

its almost like all of these talents are viable and its up to personal preference and the dungeon, and ultimately playstyle is way more important

[strong forum]

absolutely

our tree is so dumb good

that you have to try hard to make a build that cant do high keys

you have to literally go out of your way and not talent the most obv strong talents, to not make it through

[spring ermine]

interestingly, nextback plays fueled by violence

rarely see that

opinions?

[strong forum]

thats a feelycraft slot

SUPER hard to evaluate

which one is better

ive played both

find BrV more reliable

cuz whats 2-4k hps gonna do when you get your shit pushed in

getting that 15% absorb leech which translates just as well into aoe helps more to maintain an absorb

also, you can only have so many sources of trickle healing

[jagged pier]

I play FbV mainly because im too lazy to swap

[strong forum]

coupled with leech and indom, hots ticking from healer

all youre doing is cutting off healing from those sources by adding another source of healing ontop of it

instead of increasing BrV

[spring ermine]

@strong forum did you ever compare the hps or fbv and brv?

[jagged pier]

I lost 10% leech this patch

[strong forum]

how can you compare hps

[spring ermine]

shield counts as hps

[strong forum]

yes

[spring ermine]

ah well yes

[strong forum]

but theres way too many factors