It has been incredibly painful pugging it back to back at a 17
#protection
dusky canopy
final mist
^
dusky canopy
You can really tell people do not understand the mechanics of that place yet
And it’s even week 3 already
crude notch
I own at least 3 copies of every piece of loot from that dungeon and zero thunder
final mist
Brother you don't even know
final mist
I've done like 65 URs in total this season so far and I've gotten maybe 5 pieces of loot from it
None of which have been Vial
Can't wait to repeat for VP
final mist
It gets worse, I lost a Vial to a prot warrior doing 30k overall who insisted they needed it
crude notch
I take VP with pugs over UR with pugs any day of the week
dusky canopy
Same with freehold it’s easy but I’m not a fan of that one either glad I don’t have to farm dice
dusky canopy
Shit you need two fist weapons too
final mist
Ya
dusky canopy
You living in there
My condolences
Lmao
I’m not convinced with this OCE btw
It sims pretty good
Doesn’t feel good
Maybe I’m just so used to double on use from season 1
modern brook
Oce?
final mist
It's just a good stat stick
modern brook
Isn't that just icon2
final mist
Yeah
proper roost
You can really tell people do not understand the mechanics of that place yet
pugging bracken 20s will show the true meaning of pain when no dps pop personals for first boss
despairge
proper roost
never getting bracken portal
final mist
dusky canopy
I so want a beacon
final mist
That shit hits harder than a heroin addiction tbh, it's great
dusky canopy
It sounds very “dopamine spike”
Apparently you can speed up cast with haste too
So it’s a fast cast for us
Guilford said roughly 1.5 instead of 2.5 at his haste level
young rampart
i dint yet craft anything from my spark of shadowflame. What should i craft shield or lariat cuz im not sure
sick sentinel
aszhara font of power was crazy
dusky canopy
4k main stat for 20 secs yes please
young rampart
Don’t get baited
thats why im asking cuz all are saying that i should with no hesitation craft lariat
dusky canopy
Old info
modern brook
Who's all lmao
sick sentinel
i duno that im a fan of the potion trinket from underrot
dusky canopy
It’s been changed so that you need full sockets to gain it’s original value
And they buffed some of the other embellishments
final mist
i duno that im a fan of the potion trinket from underrot
Vial? There's better for Prot for sure
Easily
I'm gungho about Vial because it's very good for Fury, which I am maining this season
modern brook
Vials Def better for the dos specs
dusky canopy
I’ll probably start dabbling with fury if a ashkandur drops for me
modern brook
It's good cause it lines up with abatar
dusky canopy
Does the bloodthirsty play style change a lot
modern brook
Which it doesn't really on prot
final mist
I'd kill for an Ashkandur too
final mist
Does the bloodthirsty play style change a lot
You go from pretty much never hitting BT to getting 4p and hitting BT when the WA tells you to
dusky canopy
Basically button mash until BT is at full stacks then send it
final mist
Kinda
young rampart
Should i craft primal molten defender or shadowded impact buckler?
dusky canopy
Defender
Idk what your goals are however if you pretty much will only play Prot you can put shadowflame armor patch on the shield
final mist
Buckler is garbagev
dusky canopy
If you plan on multi spec you should put it on something else
proper roost
fury this phase feels so good
and is like 90% more likely to get into keys for some godforsaken reason
dusky canopy
Fury pumps
final mist
Because people are brain broken by meta into thinking Paladin is the only tank
dusky canopy
I’ve been hearing it’s a good tier for them so far
final mist
It is
proper roost
Its good
dusky canopy
LUL
Just tell him he plays survival
That’s all that needs to be said
Ngl some of those surv players are goated though
final mist
They're either the best players you'll ever see
Or the worst
I've never met a OTP like that who is mid
proper roost
He's either cracked or survival is way better than how it sims right now
Or he's getting PI and i didnt know
Did like 115k on m kazz
dusky canopy
Yeah usually when a spec has a negative bias around it you will only run into the cracked players that play it
proper roost
dusky canopy
Like for example before ret was Fotm
Most rets you ever invited utilize the entire toolkit to its fullest
And they run around doing all the optimal mechanics
Same with ferals
And enhancement
And survival lol
All the common negative stigma classes and they freaking own in a good players hands
modern brook
Same with ferals
The only feral I run into are the xd cat rawr ferals
ancient cosmos
I feel like people troll on NL, on 20s people just completely ignoring adds on 1st boss
then rage quit
crude notch
All the common negative stigma classes and they freaking own in a good players h...
We were talking about this yesterday in peak about Bear
echo egret
Last boss of Uldaman, the orbs fall from the sky at player's location, or random ?
dusky canopy
I feel like people troll on NL, on 20s people just completely ignoring adds on 1...
Skill issue yup
proper roost
Last boss of Uldaman, the orbs fall from the sky at player's location, or random...
Player location
What u want to do is have all the group stack at the edge of the room
Move together
You tank dragon facing center of the room
when he wing buffet the dps dont move this way
Just inch around the room, gg
echo egret
That's what I thought, thanks
young rampart
Could you tell me which missives should i put on my crafted shield? should it be haste and ver or haste and crit
proper roost
Just fyi not 100% sure if the pools can target tank
if they can, u want to also be on the outside edge
And just turn him around for breaths
brittle veldt
Is torc of passed time worth crafting to replace lariat or always wait for the vortex pin one?
trim bay
so cragshaper trinket isnt that good?
oblique kayak
so cragshaper trinket isnt that good?
pro: It’s a very good defensive trinket
contra: it’s a defensive trinket
mental scarab
Whats that for trinket?
loud wave
Is torc of passed time worth crafting to replace lariat or always wait for the v...
Crafted neck is 447 ilvl and a chance of getting same from vault is not something You can rely on.. so if neck is what You need now the most.. go for it imo
left basalt
Is torc of passed time worth crafting to replace lariat or always wait for the v...
Do you have 447 shield already?
brittle veldt
Do you have 447 shield already?
plan is shield with shadowflame and unstable belt but i have lariat so need to get rid of it
brittle veldt
whats the usual 3rd craft for food buff?
ancient cosmos
we have PBL for terrible players, is there any addon to add people you liked grouping with but not to friends?
crude notch
whats the usual 3rd craft for food buff?
Whatever is lowest item level come next spark.
summer flax
rings are always useful
i crafted a ring on every character last season, it was never a mistake
crude notch
Can't put good buff on ring, can you?
summer flax
food buff? you can
toxic pewter
Problem is annulet and eggnog ring still too strong
summer flax
not sure if annulet is better then 447 ring with a socket
i highly doubt it
i think i saw in pins that 441 ring > annulet
sick sentinel
oooo ya
summer flax
ez
brittle veldt
yeah had signet for season 1 so maybe just recraft that
got a 437 deeprock ring with haste verse and socket so wasnt wanting to lose it
summer flax
is rare cloak useful? i got hc version, but no stamina is kinda meh
toxic pewter
i think i saw in pins that 441 ring > annulet
If anything I’d prob replace eggnog ring over annulet
summer flax
and uptime in m+ seems to be like 3% lol
but i kinda like stealing my party stats t piss them off
dusky canopy
Iirc In ST annulet/eggnog will remain bis this whole tier, 441+ ring sims better than annulet in aoe however eggnog remains
dusky canopy
And also crafted neck is not a bad choice because there are no neck’s available with your desired stats, you could settle for bromach neck high haste/low mastery
dusky canopy
Is it high haste?
daring marlin
is rare cloak useful? i got hc version, but no stamina is kinda meh
damage baby
Who needs stinky stam psht
Not salty I rolled a fucking 10 on it
brittle veldt
Is it high haste?
523 haste 885 verse at 444 i think
dusky canopy
Way to much Vers for my liking
Of course it could sim as an upgrade it’s very gear dependent
But like 3% Vers is plenty
Also keep in mind we keep getting sparks every two weeks
So early game a crafted piece with mainstat at 447 will be better you don’t necessarily need to do neck, just saying it’s not a horrible option imo.
Plus you can put flavor pocket on it
brittle veldt
yeah that was the plan
dusky canopy
It’s a minor loss up front but that’s the option I’m leaning towards currently for next spark
This is also just my current situation too, I don’t want to spend a spark on any tier slots until I have 4pc and I would do boots but I already have boots so I feel as though that would be a set back
So you kinda have to look at you’re own scenario and make a judgement
brittle veldt
yeah im 4 set already and 5 set when i hit 2k hopefully this week if i can get some runs in
so seems my 424 back, wrists or lariat are what i need to replace rest is champion or hero gear so dont think any of them are worth replacing
daring marlin
I woke up 10 mins before needing to be at work. Guess I forgot to set my alarm.
modern brook
I woke up 10 mins before needing to be at work. Guess I forgot to set my alarm.
I just chose to be late today
my boss is on pto so he can sugma
strong forum
I've not been late to work in 6months!
plush tendon
I woke up 10 mins before needing to be at work. Guess I forgot to set my alarm.
same
but I blamed it on the subway
daring marlin
I made it, though!
crude notch
I'm never late to work.
plush tendon
I was a hour late
daring marlin
The benefit of living so close.
plush tendon
crude notch
I also have no obligation to time, lol.
scenic bough
not having set hours is the best
plush tendon
good thing we got memorial day weekend so like no one else is here
crude notch
The benefit of living so close.
This is bis. I live 900 feet from my job.
274m for you sensical measurement folks.
steel mauve
how many washing machines is that for us americans? since we wont use metric
crude notch
approximately 1400 teemos.
strong forum
274m for you sensical measurement folks.
Means you're always the first one to get called in if something is fucky
👏
crude notch
Usually, they try calling me, but because I work nights, I can always use the excuse of "I was sleeping".
10pm or 10am call "Oh I'm sorry I was sleeping couldn't make it". Perpetual sleep state.
marble cipher
you guys are all 100% sure that this so called "Heart of Thunder" trinket actually drops for prot lootspec in VP right??!!
Lost count of the times I ran this dungeon now, got the entire droptable dropped for me already, all but the trinket hahaha
crude notch
Why even wake up before work at that point.
chilly brook
I didn’t want or mean to
Someone else didn’t tell me they needed me to drive them to an appointment
modern brook
15 minute commute w/ traffic, 5 w/o
crude notch
7 minute walk because it's quicker than driving.
marble cipher
VP trinket doesn’t exist btw I’m convinced
my statistics back up that claim!
chilly brook
1h our commute here
I’ve been there, on the bright side it’s a great time to catch up on stuff you’ve wanted to watch (more accurately listen to) or read
dusky canopy
Yup listen to wow content every single day for 2 hours it’s great
proper roost
running keys as prot lootspec 🤔
dusky canopy
And spend most of the day in disc
proper roost
an interesting but poor choice
chilly brook
YouTube is quite literally game changer
dusky canopy
So it’s a good way to get the fix as an adult now
Whole heartedly miss 16hrs of wow daily but that time is gone, such is life
chilly brook
I could probably do that
proper roost
Turns out being glued to wow is a sign of depression
chilly brook
But I don’t lol
proper roost
Couldnt have seen that coming!
daring marlin
you guys are all 100% sure that this so called "Heart of Thunder" trinket actual...
Can confirm, got it on my first VP on my Warrior.
441
dusky canopy
Yeah tbh limited play makes you really appreciate the game more
vital arch
Earth ain’t that hot, Azeroth awesome.
marble cipher
in prot lootspec right, @daring marlin ?
daring marlin
Yeah tbh limited play makes you really appreciate the game more
FUCKING TRUE
daring marlin
in prot lootspec right, <@145702969990578178> ?
Yes
sullen drift
irideus fragment any good?
marble cipher
kk, I'll just keep going then 😛
chilly brook
Honestly what I find most annoying is the fact that I can’t get all my friends to play a single game together anymore 😦
Too many bad games out there now
proper roost
irideus fragment any good?
really bad for prot, think about how much cpm you have
dusky canopy
Same here griff I’m the last survivor of my circle from school
sullen drift
so i will keep the dreadplate
chilly brook
Devs also seem adamant to push their games into the ground
dusky canopy
Well yeah look at every mmo in the last 5 years as examples all flops
Mostly cash grabs
Maybe I’m biased because you know WoW
vital arch
This discord every day
dusky canopy
But yeah
chilly brook
Same here griff I’m the last survivor of my circle from school
We still hangout and sometimes play league but most of the time we’re just chilling playing different games in disc
modern brook
I could probably do that
16 hour wow today is literally 10 hours of staring at LFG
chilly brook
Used to play siege all the time
dusky canopy
This discord every day
💯
modern brook
4 hours of resetting keys and 2 hours of gameplay
chilly brook
But Ubisoft literally can’t keep a game healthy to save their lives
dusky canopy
Siege was super cool to me at launch but it didn’t hold my interest
modern brook
Mostly cash grabs
mmos are bad cash grabs tbh; thats what battle royals are for
MMOs fail cause they have to compete with titans
so they constantly have to overpromise
dusky canopy
Pubg was the last shooter I got super into
modern brook
and ultimately fail to provide
dusky canopy
I’m mostly a mmo guy
chilly brook
MMOs fail for two reasons
dusky canopy
And like the fallout/morwind type games
Eldin ring
Dark souls serious
All badass
Elden ring is like the gold standard imo
chilly brook
- sunk cost/failure of player base to commit
- bad design
dusky canopy
Games should strive to do that
alpine palm
A little question from me as a tier list whore:
I see prot warrior is doing bad in most forms of PVE content. Why is this? what is prot's main reason for not being brought in current high end content?
dusky canopy
I think wow has set the bar so incredibly high that it’s going to take an absolute UNIT of an mmo to win us over
chilly brook
The first one tldr is that people either won’t commit time because why would they when they’ve already committed 1000s of hours to a game that does basically the same thing and is still around and or they just can’t be bothered to commit to the game in the first place because “mmos take too much commitment of my time”
modern brook
A little question from me as a tier list whore:
I see prot warrior is doing bad ...
subcreation is a usage statistic
vital arch
the thing about wow was it was built in a due or die situation, they had no idea how popular it was how it would take off and how the community would react. Nowadays, if there’s funding and servers, all MMOs are just a formula wow has formed over the years.
dusky canopy
We have 10-20 years invested into wow
modern brook
people like you see its not being used and then dont use it
further reducing the people using it
further dropping it on the usage statistics
the cycle repeats
prot warrior is fine
alpine palm
but why are the top end people not using it
modern brook
prot paladin is a head above everything esle
alpine palm
All tanks are viable currently I think
dusky canopy
Are you top end Excalibur?
alpine palm
no, but I am trying to understand something
fresh igloo
but why are the top end people not using it
best keys in the world rn are timed 24-25, and there's every tank in that range
modern brook
best keys in the world rn are timed 24-25, and there's every tank in that range
yah this
fresh igloo
popularity contest is different from not being used at all
chilly brook
I think wow has set the bar so incredibly high that it’s going to take an absolu...
It will either need to be something that iterates on the genre or it will need to release at a time when there’s basically no reason to play WoW
fresh igloo
maybe it's easier to get the same results as a prot pally than a prot warrior rn because of the massive re-work
fresh igloo
play the class you enjoy
proper roost
yes its very easy to play ppal
chilly brook
Play whatever you want
dusky canopy
In general about 500 people in the world have to worry about what the absolute strongest specs for each role are because some classes cannot physically succeed at the bleeding edge level of content
For EVERYONE else
It’s irrelevant
fresh igloo
you will have more fun playing the style you like than trying to chase FOTM re-rolls
modern brook
maybe it's easier to get the same results as a prot pally than a prot warrior rn...
paladin kit is just very applicable to the current dungeon list + affixes; also it does good dam for a tank and can baby sit your group
dusky canopy
Tier lists are literally trash
chilly brook
Paladin honestly isn’t even the best tank this season likely in all honesty
vital arch
so many trash fotm players in sub 20 ranges just zugging pally for no reason
dusky canopy
Not capability
modern brook
so many trash fotm players in sub 20 ranges just zugging pally for no reason
well the reason is sub creation said it was good
chilly brook
DH is honestly probably better than paladin
dusky canopy
It will either need to be something that iterates on the genre or it will need t...
Yup totally agree btw, just got off on a tangent
modern brook
i thought DH got kneecapped by the lunchbox fix
chilly brook
Nah
modern brook
🤷
chilly brook
Still obscenely high uptime
modern brook
good for them :^)
chilly brook
Bear is gonna be meta
modern brook
I really like frailty
chilly brook
We just have to wait until the .5 patch
modern brook
Bear is gonna be meta
bear sims are insane rn
chilly brook
modern brook
like 94k
modern brook
nah i dont pay attention to classes i dont play tbh
chilly brook
TLDR they’re gonna be massive
modern brook
Everyone in LFG will disapoint me regardless of their talents tbh
sleek current
best keys in the world rn are timed 24-25, and there's every tank in that range
No Warriors or BDK at 25.
dusky canopy
How many 25s in total have been completed in time?
chilly brook
No Warriors or BDK at 25.
You’re talking literally 5 tank players who are timing 25s
Literally 5
proper roost
lol
chilly brook
Sorry 6*
proper roost
bdk is kinda down bad, their dps is so rough
sleek current
How many 25s in total have been completed in time?
I don't know. I'm on my phone. It's hard to read the website.
proper roost
fresh igloo
No Warriors or BDK at 25.
which is why I said 24-25.
chilly brook
Such a small sample size
dusky canopy
OMG WARRIOR UNPLAYABLE
sleek current
Who said that?
modern brook
all Under, FH, or bracken
dusky canopy
38 WHOLE dungeons WOW!
proper roost
also people dont really push too much at the start of a season either, like the vast majority of pushing will happen near the end
dusky canopy
Well yeah ofc and also because of tuning passes
proper roost
Maybe diff this season cuz you gear cap so quick, but also 10.1.5 will be halfway through the season so I mean
chilly brook
And it isn’t even completely solidified usually until like 3/4ths of the way through
chilly brook
10.1.5 is absolutely changing meta
Like I said bear if nothing changes is gonna be busted
dusky canopy
LOL that’s about the extent of my bear gaming too
It’s always going to have some nostalgia for me since that and warrior were my first ever tanks
But it’s kinda boring to me
dusky canopy
MAUL
modern brook
Druid owns cause swolebear is in the game
dusky canopy
Literally unplayable without
modern brook
and then u fucking try and do like 1 animation they forgot about and the whole form breaks
crude notch
Except they updated the swolebear animations for 10.1
chilly brook
I’m actually not a fan of them
crude notch
They're better than they were
dusky canopy
The best part about bear right now is it’s pros and cons on wowhead
Pro “great animations”
hardy snow
fun thing in bear was catweaving, but nowadays its not worth so the class isnt fun anymore
chilly brook
fun thing in bear was catweaving, but nowadays its not worth so the class isnt f...
Honestly this is a major contributing factor to me not caring about it
dusky canopy
Bear is cool just gets stale quickly for me but to each their own
chilly brook
Literally couldn’t be bothered to play it in raid if I’m supposed to stay in bear the whole time
Like I could deal with staying in bear in m+
But when there’s two tanks?
Nah
crude notch
Yeah what a shame that you do more damage in the form you're designed to play in.
Catweave lovers are so cringe man
I swear to God
chilly brook
But isn’t the fantasy of Druid shifting into different forms
crude notch
If I wanted to play as cat, I'd play feral
dusky canopy
Ok so I might not have the most popular opinion on this but I literally hate Druid weaving in general
If I’m bear I want to bear
If I’m chicken I want to be chicken
limpid anchor
Yeah what a shame that you do more damage in the form you're designed to play in...
How’s it diff compared to war with def stance
chilly brook
Cat weaving wasn’t really complex
crude notch
Jesus
vital arch
Ok so I might not have the most popular opinion on this but I literally hate Dru...
This is why I can’t play resto healer
toxic pewter
i wish i could tank as moonkin
crude notch
No one said it's complex
chilly brook
Swap back to bear when I need to taunt
It was also an optimization you didn’t have to do
crude notch
You don't have to do any optimization on any spec but that doesn't mean it wasn't pushed
proper roost
How’s it diff compared to war with def stance
extremely wrong take lol
crude notch
That's a dumb ass take
Obviously your guild isn't going to push you to do it.
Most guilds don't push tanks to care about their damage at all
So that's pepegabrain logic
chilly brook
They’re happy if you press log in on the right tank spec while having zero conception about the tanks themselves
limpid anchor
extremely wrong take lol
Why. You go bstance when you don’t need def
chilly brook
proper roost
Oof
proper roost
a double down on the even worse take
dusky canopy
Guilds don’t notice tank damage until you are doubling your co tanks damage then suddenly its like hmmmmmmmm
proper roost
Can we go for a triple lads
chilly brook
You go cat when you don’t need def
More accurately you went cat when you weren’t tanking
crude notch
Why. You go bstance when you don’t need def
Guardian's entire defensive auras are tied to bear form.
sleek current
What's with the hostility? Pretty charged gamers today. 😂
limpid anchor
Why does it matter
dusky canopy
We’re warriors bro
chilly brook
Some don’t
crude notch
Like pwar in bstance isn't remotely similar to guardian in cat form.
dusky canopy
This is how we communicate
limpid anchor
If you are not able to press a button, maybe don’t play the game idk
chilly brook
It’s that simple, I’m not really trying to change anyones mind
They’re more than welcome to not like it
crude notch
You're ignorant af if you think bstance and cat form are at all similar.
dusky canopy
Imagine every conversation in here but we’re shouting from across a road or something
limpid anchor
Can you even read
crude notch
Ham, you're an idiot, you. can. tank. IN B STANCE.
dusky canopy
CaN yOu EvEn ReAd
limpid anchor
Yes
dusky canopy
Lololololol
proper roost
Imagine thinking dstance is the default for pwar
limpid anchor
?
proper roost
going to post an unironic joker meme in a second
crude notch
"Go cat when you don't need def"
Well I can't go cat while actively tanking a key, like warrior can go bstance while actively tanking a key, now can I?
Like you are the one that put them on the same level.
We didn't do it for you.
chilly brook
You also get new abilities
crude notch
You chose to make an idiotic statement and then doubled down.
chilly brook
Really not similar
limpid anchor
Ah yes now
limpid anchor
And aggro gain
dusky canopy
If they ever require certain stances for abilities again I’m quitting
crude notch
are you even on.
chilly brook
limpid anchor
Imagine comparing the current to the past
daring marlin
If they ever require certain stances for abilities again I’m quitting
Great change when they axed that
dusky canopy
Hard agree guil
limpid anchor
Druid weaved in bfa
And wrath, and tbc
chilly brook
It also weaved in SL
chilly brook
Didn’t have stances then either
limpid anchor
Wasn’t that about general or what
daring marlin
Why are we talking about weaving when it hasn't even been good since they added guardian as a spec?
chilly brook
Why are we talking about weaving when it hasn't even been good since they added ...
That’s not really true
It was good in legion
And in SL
crude notch
It was most definitely a gain in SL
chilly brook
^
dusky canopy
Fact of the matter is, Bstance/Datance does NOT equal cat/bear. There’s really nothing to debate about it. It’s just fact.
crude notch
thanks to uh that lego i can't think of
crude notch
That's the only weaving that was fun because it was one global then back to bear.
chilly brook
limpid anchor
Fact of the matter is, Bstance/Datance does NOT equal cat/bear. There’s really n...
Did it say that
chilly brook
Brother
limpid anchor
I said that you have classes were you swap Vettern more offensive and defensive
chilly brook
Just drop it lmfao
hardy snow
whats fun is personal take, one may like just convoke, someone may like whole weaving and other one can hate any form of weaving
limpid anchor
Nah fuck off
crude notch
No Ham, you're just trying to conform your idiotic statement to a specific scenario to make you sound less idiotic.
chilly brook
whats fun is personal take, one may like just convoke, someone may like whole we...
Basically this
hardy snow
I personally liked whole weaving and lack of it was one of the reasons Ive swapped from bear after sepulcher
limpid anchor
Nah you are an idiot who can’t play, just trolling since you joined the server
crude notch
what?
toxic pewter
O_O
chilly brook
Well at that
crude notch
My first message in this server was three years ago, yours was two years ago. You want to try again on that?
Chief
dusky canopy
Ope
limpid anchor
K dud
toxic pewter
alright everyone remember its a childrens game
dusky canopy
No it isn’t
sleek current
Admittedly you left for some reason and came back in April though? 😂
Regardless can we all agree that this conversation is absolutely dull. Can we discuss when we're getting bloodlust?
toxic pewter
XD
crude notch
Brew is like 50.
dusky canopy
27
chilly brook
I mean I left the server before cuz I took a long break from WoW
dusky canopy
Lmao
toxic pewter
wow is effectively an adult daycare
fresh igloo
damns kids and their fortnites
crude notch
Admittedly you left for some reason and came back in April though? 😂
Regardles...
What does me leaving the channel have to do with anything?
dusky canopy
Yeah same griff I’ve been in since legion too but left when I was on break
chilly brook
Doesn’t really mean anything
sleek current
What does me leaving the channel have to do with anything?
It makes his statement "You've just trolled since you joined" almost true. Whether you've trolled is irrelevant but, his experience is technically true.
chilly brook
I thought I was done with wow for good
SL killed my want to play for a while
chilly brook
Got a nice pallet cleanse with FFXIV
proper roost
i do not envy anyone who played all or most of SL
chilly brook
And despite me loving that game, I just like raiding/m+ in WoW
dusky canopy
I played all of SL
proper roost
got ksh in s3 and dipped insta 
crude notch
It makes his statement "You've just trolled since you joined" almost true. Wheth...
If I've been trolling for the 3 years I've been in this channel and he joined after I originally joined, that's on him.
sleek current
I really couldn't get on with FFXIV. I think it's just the style. Final Fantasy that being.
crude notch
Guilford has been trolling since he joined the channel too but that was 6 years ago. So
dusky canopy
Already had all 20s done
crude notch
chilly brook
I played most of SL, took a break in s2 came back towards the end still got CE then played S3 and a little of S4 but moving across country forced me to not really play a lot of either
dusky canopy
My biggest break was first 3 seasons of bfa
chilly brook
I really couldn't get on with FFXIV. I think it's just the style. Final Fantasy ...
If you don’t care about story and don’t play enough of the ARR story to get invested then yeah you probably won’t like it
fresh igloo
I liked FF14 as a single player game, but the group content didn't feel as good as WoW which is what I want from this style of game.
chilly brook
Everything about the game ties into the story a ton
chilly brook
Which is what makes it really unique
dusky canopy
And that’s all I play for
chilly brook
FF gameplay is horrid in comparison to wow
It gets a lot better, early on it’s pretty slow and basic
Like the first 60 levels is basically them treating everyone as if it’s their first mmo
crude notch
Took time off in WoD and Legion because baby, death of baby, other real life stuff. Played BfA like a fiend, halfway played SL, already played more S2 DF than I did all of S1 DF.
fresh igloo
ye the longer GCD in FF14 means you eventually start weaving off GCD between more and more
dusky canopy
My friends kept telling me to get to level cap before I judge it but I couldn’t make it through the first expansion lol
sleek current
If you don’t care about story and don’t play enough of the ARR story to get inve...
I think I just rage quit because I couldn't get my UI the way I like it and went in with too many expectations.
dusky canopy
Heart of something or whatever
crude notch
My friends kept telling me to get to level cap before I judge it but I couldn’t ...
I play FFXIV for an hour every two years and then hang it up
chilly brook
My friends kept telling me to get to level cap before I judge it but I couldn’t ...
Understandable, it’s not for everyone
dusky canopy
Yup
chilly brook
Like I said, if you don’t care about the story you honestly likely won’t stick around
sleek current
My friends kept telling me to get to level cap before I judge it but I couldn’t ...
My friends were saying level 60 is where it gets good but, I was struggling to motivate myself at level 9. Haha
dusky canopy
Understandable, it’s not for everyone
Right witch is okay
I honestly stopped looking to replace wow
Wow is my game
chilly brook
I tried the game a long while ago but I treated it like wow/any other mmo
chilly brook
I tried rushing to max level/only caring about endgame and quit by like level 20
sleek current
I tried rushing to max level/only caring about endgame and quit by like level 20
Aye, maybe I'll give it another go one day and just go in with a different mindset.
sleek current
SL was rough
I kept coming back because my work mates were begging for a tank. Haha
dusky canopy
Buying the will to complete work tasks
chilly brook
I gave it another try in SL in S2 around the time everyone was dipping because of the scandal. This time I just said “no expectations, I’m just going to go in and actually read the text and do the story content like everyone says you should”. Completely changed it for me
dusky canopy
chilly brook
Like the “gameplay” at the time I felt was “mid” but at the same time even though it wasn’t super crazy engaging leveling I kept wanting to progress and log in the next day
Ironically even though everyone I talked to told me “just get through ARR it’s the worst story” I honestly liked it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proper roost
return to alphinaud at the waking sands
sleek current
I've always been fascinated by Tank in it with the super sword that you need to hold back. That concept just sounds intoxicating.
proper roost
nty
chilly brook
Alphinaud was a bitch at first
Def became a favorite for me though by the end of Heavensward
proper roost
if i want to be working for a little twink I'll just pug healers for keys
fresh igloo
Ironically even though everyone I talked to told me “just get through ARR it’s t...
it's not bad just slow
chilly brook
it's not bad just slow
It was a slow build but imo that made it all the better when it paid off
The payoff was huge at the end
crude notch
ash and matts like color theme of pfps are too close they make me think one is talking to themselves
sleek current
WoW could do with a gauntlet that has tanks holding back a death wheel or something while DPS and healers deal with adds from behind. Like a trap scenario. I'd love to see just out there boss ideas.
fresh igloo
ash and matts like color theme of pfps are too close they make me think one is ...
mine doesn't move if that helps lol
final mist
Ironically even though everyone I talked to told me “just get through ARR it’s t...
ARR isn't bad after the pruning they did
The story was always good it was just ass to get through several swaths of it and a lot of it wasn't relevant at all
final mist
WoW could do with a gauntlet that has tanks holding back a death wheel or someth...
There's a bunch of stuff like that in XIV that is really neat. I wish WoW could do stuff like that, it'd be really fuckin' cool.
teal heron
Pog or poo?
balmy canyon
Isn't 300k like two IPs?
final mist
It's alright / decent as far as defensive trinkets go
modern brook
The way this one works is generally very good with ip, but like just use splinter if u need the tribket cd
crude notch
This one is better imo because it's 1m.
final mist
Yeah
teal heron
First trinket I've come across in yonks so of course it would be fairly mid
daring marlin
There's a bunch of stuff like that in XIV that is really neat. I wish WoW could ...
A fellow XIV enjoyorrrr eh
teal heron
currently running with
near steppe
Guys, i need tips on sarkareth. Im struggling on p3 transition. What u sugest? Maybet spell block?
crude notch
I mean the best trinkets are from raid and it's because they rip dicks off.
final mist
A fellow XIV enjoyorrrr eh
I've been a FF enjoyer since I was a wee lad, XIV just another entry in a long line LOL
final mist
I mean the best trinkets are from raid and it's because they rip dicks off.
Beacon
daring marlin
Beacon ganggang
I've dabbled in some FF titles. My BF is the giga FF fanboy, though.
final mist
Hit Beacon, see it do 1mil+ off a single cast, dopamine hits harder than a heroin addict getting their fix for the first time in 3 days
sleek current
There's a bunch of stuff like that in XIV that is really neat. I wish WoW could ...
Yeah man. Maybe soon, we're seeing a lot of good changes recently and I'm excited to see what that might mean for raiding later down the line
daring marlin
TRUE
chilly brook
ARR isn't bad after the pruning they did
I just think the FFXIV community does people a disservice by telling them ARR is bad
Maybe that’s just me
daring marlin
It truly isn't anymore
final mist
ARR used to be much worse and a lot of them don't explain what they mean by "ARR bad"
chilly brook
It is definitely generic/slow building for the first 20-30 levels though in terms of story
daring marlin
though frankly your average wow player wouldn't really appreciate the game anyway
final mist
It was like 5x as long as it is now and 90% of it truly was skippable
chilly brook
But that kinda added to the charm for me
daring marlin
Gotta treat it like a traditional JRPG when leveling imo
final mist
Yeah ofc
chilly brook
Basically ye
final mist
They removed a lot of that too, which you didn't have to suffer through
chilly brook
It truly is a story game first
final mist
Ex. You used to have to level other classes to get shit that's baseline now
So most people who say "ARR bad" that's what they're thinking of
chilly brook
Ex. You used to have to level other classes to get shit that's baseline now
I think I remember hearing that
final mist
Ex. Imagine hitting 15 and going to do your first dungeon as a maruader tank only to find out that you should've leveled gladiator first so you could taunt things and also lancer so you had a dps cooldown to maintain enmity
crude notch
I've found it takes a substantial amount of peer pressure for me to get into any new games anymore.
PoE was the last one that people got me into and that was 3 years ago.
chilly brook
Maybe one day Star Citizen will finally release and we’ll have the game to end all games
modern brook
crude notch
WoW I didn't play until coworkers got it for me.
LoL I didn't play until guildies got me into it.
PoE I didn't play until dreamgrove buddies got me into it.
That's basically the last 15 years of gaming for me.
final mist
You also used to have to level other classes to get your advanced jobs (ex. To access Paladin, you needed Gladiator at 30 and Conjurer at 15), which is fine but it used to be much harder to level too
crude notch
Solo games not withstanding ofc.
final mist
So that process would take weeks, not a day
It was fine and enjoyable coming from an experience JRPG player but for people who expected normal MMOs, that shit was way outta pocket
quiet minnow
Maybe one day Star Citizen will finally release and we’ll have the game to end a...
doesnt that game have like a billi in donations already
chilly brook
Like half a billion ye
quiet minnow
couldve just bought 3 f22 raptors
lusty wedge
How do I prove to someone that its ilvl>stats when it comes to tanking
The person said thats not true
fresh igloo
tell 'em to cut their HP pool in half and see how it feels lol
spring ermine
Guys, is forgestorm on 441 better than a 447 crafted sword as prot?
fresh igloo
Guys, is forgestorm on 441 better than a 447 crafted sword as prot?
probably. sim it
the proc is big and they just buffed it
spring ermine
ok but damage isn't everything, 447 weapon has more stats. but yes, will sim it
crude notch
How do I prove to someone that its ilvl>stats when it comes to tanking
well for starters link them this https://www.wowhead.com/spell=71/vanguard
fresh igloo
ok but damage isn't everything, 447 weapon has more stats. but yes, will sim it
you are correct, but our survival comes from good play of our rotation.
enchanting sophic on forgestorm can make up some of the str lost
if you WANT to focus more defensive, then you could go with the higher ilvl weapon.
i would definitely keep both if that was an option.
sparks are limited rn tho so i wouldn't waste one on crafting a MH
spring ermine
yea makes sense
fresh igloo
but yeah a 441 forgestorm is probably gonna be considered BiS for this season by many prot warr
proper roost
damage kind of is everything in keys tbqh
mob die faster u take less damage
and forgestorm damage is really big
fresh igloo
or i guess up to 447 in vault if you get lucky.
spring ermine
however if you are more tanky, you can make juicier pulls
in high fort keys, big pulls can be scary
fresh igloo
the choice you are talking about won't make the difference in that though. good play will.
how well your group is doing kicks and stops, for example.
spring ermine
True, I'm more talking about this trinket
It was in my vault. I think its really big, you have it up almost every pull.
only 1 min cd
fresh igloo
isn't that basically just an IP or two
spring ermine
3 ignore pains are like 250k
afaik
depending on your hp
well with last stand its more
spring ermine
you will be able to pull bigger. if it's even only a few bigger pulls it's already way more worth than some off trinket that adds 5% to your overall
chilly brook
Brother
spring ermine
im talking about high fort keys 22+
chilly brook
Pulling big in high fort, I don’t think a 419k absorb is going to last long
Much less be the reason you were able to pull big
fresh igloo
no str, no crit or haste, and i can get a 234k IP or up to 304k IP w/ last stand, pretty much on demand, instead of once a minute
i don't see a lot of value
strong forum
The "it enables bigger pulls" thing is kinda rarely true because pulls are limited by mechanics and general efficiency, not because "the tank would die"
chilly brook
^
spring ermine
i mean both is the case
fresh igloo
like i said before, the play of your party is WAY more relevant
fresh igloo
success or failure on fort weeks is basically kicks and stops.
(being overly reductive here)
so if the defensive value gained is negligible, why would you not gear for more damage output and more threat?
crude notch
this season in particular you're not getting ice cuttered by 5 mobs every pull so tank deaths are like rare af
chilly brook
Honestly the extra damage you do will likely take less damage over the course of a key compared to using that trinket on CD
strong forum
Neltharus and uldaman are for sure nice dungeons to have those
But outside of that tank dmg doesn't really exist
chilly brook
Bro
strong forum
Neltharions lair I guess, but big pulls don't exist there rly
chilly brook
The amount of times people have linked this guy in the last 2 years
He does goofy shit
Just because someone is ranked high doesn’t mean they do the most optimal things
spring ermine
The thing is i agree, if you play perfectly then damage trinket are definitely the best, but in reality everyone messes up here and there and then a trinket like this is very valuable
spring ermine
*50
chilly brook
Defensive stance isn’t 50
strong forum
Ya I hope he didn't copy the buckler from me
strong forum
Cuz like, that shit is ass
fresh igloo
who was the person asking about how to prove that just equipping ilvl is important for tanks? this is proof. you can make "bad choices" and still be a world top because what matters is play.
equip any ilvl upgrades and be good at your class/have a good group.
and you can win
the rest is nit picking min maxing.
so sure, use the defense trinket if you want
but it's not gonna be why you succeed
spring ermine
ok guys, yes if you play perfect then you will pretty much never die as a prot. but be honest, are you never at points where you currently dont have a cd up? werent quick enough to kite? you guys never die?
fresh igloo
ok guys, yes if you play perfect then you will pretty much never die as a prot. ...
tattman is a way better player than i am
when i've died, that trinket would not have saved me
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
cuz thats a really good shield i think most people would try to collect
chilly brook
ok guys, yes if you play perfect then you will pretty much never die as a prot. ...
I usually limit test, and then adjust from there
chilly brook
If I die after that there’s usually a reason and usually a defensive trinket isn’t the answer
spring ermine
also using a def trinket
chilly brook
crude notch
who asked?
chilly brook
Bro
crude notch
They're also doing content you'll never do based on this conversation
toxic pewter
both using buckler
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Even in that content
sick sentinel
how in the hell do you even pronounce that
spring ermine
@crude notch im not saying a def trinket is better, im merely asking for input.
hushed cobalt
waitttt wasnt codex good at the end of SL? or was that for other classes
toxic pewter
omg codex continues to haunt us
chilly brook
waitttt wasnt codex good at the end of SL? or was that for other classes
Other classes and even then it was debatable
crude notch
not the dumb ass codex conversation
use what you want to use, you're not gonna find a class discord that agrees with ever using a defensive trinket so why bother
spring ermine
i mean you have to admit, 3 out of the 4 top prot warrs playing a def trinket is at least worth discussing it
crude notch
go next
chilly brook
i mean you have to admit, 3 out of the 4 top prot warrs playing a def trinket i...
It’s been discussed to death a million times
spring ermine
alright next topic
toxic pewter
i am top 10 prot warr in the world
sick sentinel
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh do we still do the beside the bones trick for cragmaw for phase 1 and then reset him back whenever he's done raging
toxic pewter
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh do we still do the beside the bones trick for cragmaw for phase 1...
yah i do that
sick sentinel
cuz, they changed bits and pieces of that, and i remember shit different from bfa so
spring ermine
why is everyone preferring pala to warr now? warr is still as strong as in s1. Sure pala was buffed, but warr is now even less preferred than other tanks
crude notch
It's not worth having the conversation. You either agree or disagree class discords aren't the end all be all for what you should do and neither is following the top 10 io players.
spring ermine
at least according to numbers
strong forum
waitttt wasnt codex good at the end of SL? or was that for other classes
codex was never good
spring ermine
do people just not have a clue
fresh igloo
why is everyone preferring pala to warr now? warr is still as strong as in s1. S...
FOTM re-rolls = popularity contest
strong forum
the only point codex was "usable" was for VDH in 27/28+ cuz they had fuckall mitigation
toxic pewter
basically comes down to community perception, people think prot warr lacks group utility.. I would argue our stops combined with rally, battle shout still pretty solid
crude notch
why is everyone preferring pala to warr now? warr is still as strong as in s1. S...
Because they provide a lot to the group and can survive a lot while also putting out damage, nothing new on this front of meta.
strong forum
why is everyone preferring pala to warr now? warr is still as strong as in s1. S...
wog/ 1min sac/bop/spellward/CR. more dmg, more interrupts and tankier if played correctly
spring ermine
they already provided that in s1 though
strong forum
yes
spring ermine
so why now suddenly
strong forum
and pally was better since launch
fresh igloo
pally was good before the re-work, people were just sleeping on it
crude notch
they already provided that in s1 though
pally was strongest tank in s1 too
fresh igloo
now they're better
strong forum
it was after sentinel bugfix when pally popped the fuck off
crude notch
70% of title holders for tanks were pallies
strong forum
but people flocked to Pwar cuz of hype
only after andy and kiea both were r1 on paladin
THATS when everybody rerolled
toxic pewter
yah andy
crude notch
more specifically only after all the bugs were fixed lol
spring ermine
this is i dont mind playing a class that is not fotm, its just harder to get into keys. well in the end i always play my own keys anyway
chilly brook
Quite literally no one cares about warrior unless it’s “OP”
Outside of the warrior loyalists
toxic pewter
do you guys think we were OP in season 1
spring ermine
strong yes op no
crude notch
for 1 week yes
toxic pewter
I will say it was wild seeing everyone call prot warr op since beta and it continued for like 4 months straight lol
crude notch
The very small time period for which ppal still needed bugs fixed, yes.
Bugs have dictated meta more often than people realize though, so.
spring ermine
is there any way to see how much dps top tanks are dealing in m+? this link is obviously trash https://u.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/mythic+
crude notch
no there really isn't
toxic pewter
I guess check warcraftlogs but its down right now
spring ermine
logs in m+ are not reliable
toxic pewter
?
chilly brook
How bad did monk get hit with that nerf?
spring ermine
maybe im wrong, can you link a dps ranking of tanks based on logs ?
for m+
yes i can manually check logs
but i want a ranking
toxic pewter
lol
spring ermine
with a range and dps number
crude notch
How bad did monk get hit with that nerf?
The impact of nerfs tend to be in the 5-15% ballpark depending on numerous factors.
crude notch
but i want a ranking
we were stating manually checking is the only way
spring ermine
yes thats what im saying
spring ermine
but would be great if it would be possible to compare e.g. the top 1000 tanks of each spec
spring ermine
thats why dps rankings provide a range
sick sentinel
oh no
crude notch
Does person use double tank trinkets
sick sentinel
i have bad feeling about group
crude notch
It'd also require people to log their keys
WHereas almost everyone logs their raids
Almost no one logs their keys publicly
strong forum
is there any way to see how much dps top tanks are dealing in m+? this link is o...
90-120k would be my guess
or atleast i sure FUCKING hope they do
rustic tinsel
sick sentinel
just baby key so give it a chance
chilly brook
> The impact of nerfs tend to be in the 5-15% ballpark depending on numerous fac...
Hmmmm I have a sneaking suspicion that monk might slide into the limelight this season even with the nerf
sick sentinel
you guys say the shit i say doesn't happen
toxic pewter
i have bad feeling about group
lolwtf hunter without a lust pet awkward
sick sentinel
i will show you all it does
spring ermine
you guys need to relax a bit, im asking simple questions because i dont know the answer :)
because im looking for advice
im not saying i know how it is
toxic pewter
I will have you know I was ranked S tier for relaxation
strong forum
as logs are down currently i cant give you more numbers
chilly brook
Wrong person but monk hasn’t been “meta” for m+ as far as I can remember
crude notch
how'd that respond to yogi
crude notch
they were S3 BfA because of a bug
spring ermine
@strong forum interesting would be a breakdown per class, per dungeon.
crude notch
You can check that
chilly brook
they were S3 BfA because of a bug
Not over warrior
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> interesting would be a breakdown per class, per dungeon.
well given that alot of tanks dont do very good damage youd still get a skewed picture
especially a useless one like u.gg
fucking 50th percentile
when the gap between 90 and 100 is often tens of thousand of dps difference alone
spring ermine
@strong forum thats also how it is with dps logs
its just normal
are sims any reliableß
dungeon slice sim?
chilly brook
Well I’m wrong
strong forum
but vdh needs alot of work, theyre undersimming rn
meyra and topple will get to it this weekend
spring ermine
so is there no way to see which item gives me a bigger dps upgrade for m+? if i have for example a 441 bracer with mast crit and another with crit vers. of course trash stats
just an example
do stat weightings not chance?
strong forum
1t 3min with lust
5t 1min no lust
10t 40sec with lust
spring ermine
1t?
spring ermine
aah
strong forum
just do regular patchwerk sims
spring ermine
and then use the average?
spring ermine
makes sense
strong forum
for example for me until ~5 target annulet wins vs normal rings, at around 7 targets its even
at 10t stat rings beat annulet
spring ermine
interestingly enough, when simming it tells me to prefer crit over all
when comparing gear
spring ermine
damn
strong forum
we have several crit multipliers on our tree
spring ermine
how much of theotherstats
proper roost
what the
spring ermine
thats juicy, i currently have 3,1k crit, 4,6k haste, 3,3k vers, 600 mastery
proper roost
What are u, like 445
strong forum
no im only 433 rn
still have 421 wrists and 421 frostfirebelt
and i need to work on my rings, once those are up im like 440ish
spring ermine
you can already upgrade all to 441 this week
slacking on crests? :P
or did no rings drop
proper roost
Ah I guess ur just gigastacked on crit
spring ermine
are you also gemming crit
proper roost
only pay attention to two of my stats 💀
strong forum
jumping from 15% to 20% mastery is a 33% increase on critblock chance
sleek current
What's a tad bit of mastery? I have 416. 😂
modern brook
how in the hell do you even pronounce that
Camo bibblebo thirty three
strong forum
1-2k mastery
nocturne spindle
it wasnt actually intentional just whats dropped for me
strong forum
only critblocking 15% of the time is very sus
critblock is OP as hell, just not ideal to stack
jumping from 15 to 25% is 66% chance in critblock, instead of only critblocking every 7th attack you critblock every 4th
thats a gigantic increase in tankiness for VERY little investment
sleek current
Sound, thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
spring ermine
you got no belt enchant
spring ermine
belt enchant
strong forum
whats there to enchant
spring ermine
stamina
toxic pewter
that belt enchant cost 50k gold still lol on my server at least
strong forum
huh