i've just noticed that demoralizing shout is off-gcd? should I macro it into something to cast automatically?
#protection
shell garnet
olive bay
i've just noticed that demoralizing shout is off-gcd? should I macro it into som...
Unless you have motor issues hitting things too quickly, probably not - you don't want to waste it
fresh igloo
i've just noticed that demoralizing shout is off-gcd? should I macro it into som...
do you mean avatar?
dusky canopy
In general you do not want to combine things
fresh igloo
avatar is off GCD, demo shout is on GCD
dusky canopy
It’s better to have control
thin phoenix
mine is macro'd to avatar lol
sick sentinel
huh chARMS?
warm plinth
Yeah because avatar is OFF gcd.
But it should not be macroed to Avatar because they have different cooldowns.
daring marlin
d4 event charms yogi
quiet minnow
demo shout on GCD is so fuckjing cancer
sick sentinel
caps lock, ddnt mean arms spec
daring marlin
It truly is
shell garnet
I'm sorry yeah it is on GCD, i guess my orc brain just froze
trinkets and blood fury are off GCD tho, right?
cinder nova
Is it safe to drop Impenitrable Wall for Splock on Tyr in magic-heavy keys?
shell garnet
so i can have one button using both trinkets, blood fury, demo shout and avatar?
theoretically
thin phoenix
haha what's wrong with that
warm plinth
Is it safe to drop Impenitrable Wall for Splock on Tyr in magic-heavy keys?
I would think that's a bad idea since you're reducing your frequency of shield wall, which also works on magic.
thin phoenix
we use demoralizing as a dmg cd anyway
warm plinth
so i can have one button using both trinkets, blood fury, demo shout and avatar?
Theoretically, yes. Realistically, no, because Avatar and Demo have different cooldowns.
warm plinth
It should be shorter than Demo
sick sentinel
try this keystone again i guess
thin phoenix
depends on the map
sick sentinel
easier without spiteful
warm plinth
It should always be shorter than Demo
dusky canopy
@cinder nova , you definitely want iw
warm plinth
Why would the map matter
dusky canopy
I’d drop blood surge
And only in Nelt
So far anyway
NL too but I haven’t done a key level where I felt I needed it yet
dry spear
IV on 10 sec cd would be neat
dusky canopy
Maybe once I get to 23-24
What if
Now hear me out
What if Iv was spammable but cost rage
More to manage yeah
But kinda neat
Wait never mind I don’t like DK
So I won’t like that
plush tendon
Let crit block chance block spells 
sick sentinel
Let crit block chance block spells <:wicked:937093876857045012>
spell breaker gigachad
dusky canopy
Let me dual wield tank
shell garnet
dual wield shields
reminds me of https://grimdawn.fandom.com/wiki/Totally_Normal_Shield
daring marlin
Let crit block chance block spells <:wicked:937093876857045012>
Speaking of crit block, I'm gonna lean into Fury gearing and just tank in that gear. idgaf
next burrow
Speaking of crit block, I'm gonna lean into Fury gearing and just tank in that g...
This is the way
final mist
spell breaker gigachad
Ah, a fellow Spellbreaker brother 
I love those so much I made one of my homebrews based around them
sick sentinel
i tried to get ai art to draw spell breaker as a gigachad but this is by far the closest result i got
gigantic cape, skinny shield
plush tendon
Right now, I think paladins are the closest to a spell breaker
final mist
Was happy with the BE Heritage gear because of that
plush tendon
Wow has
final mist
Just need a more fitting sword
daring marlin
Was happy with the BE Heritage gear because of that
still top tier heritage tbh
final mist
And an HD sunwell shield model
daring marlin
human and dorf too tho
final mist
I don't actually like the human heritage
final mist
The BFA warfront plate armor is way better
sick sentinel
what blizzard should do, is feed world of warcraft into an AI, let it make a video and post it to youtube.
cinder storm
Only thing that might make me play hunter would be a traxex skin
sick sentinel
hunter is the best class in the game when you can do your thing
daring marlin
I do the same with venthyr gear and the red human heritage too
shell garnet
speaking of heritage armor, doesnt this give some wh40k vibes
cinder storm
I tend to run naked with a fish for weapon and a wooden shield?
daring marlin
I did warfront on four plate characters every week to get that set lmao
cinder storm
Also, they should stop using kitchen plates as shields
Either your shield covers half your character or gtfo
sick sentinel
cinder storm
I hate how hard it is to find good looking shields
sick sentinel
blizzard pay attrention
daring marlin
Bucklers are lame yes
sick sentinel
this is protection warrior fantasy
cinder storm
My man
dusky canopy
Seriously yogi
You are just great
I want massive fucking tower shields in this game
Like bulwark x2
Riot shield x2
trim bay
hey guys. what WA do you use to track Externals placed on you?
@sick sentinel Sword breakers bulwark
sick sentinel
then they can turn fryingpan sized shields into bucklers, and let rogues and hunters equip those
dusky canopy
Omnicd addon to see when it’s on cd, and I use Naowh WAs that show me when an external is on me
His are not fully public but I’m sure if you browse wago you’ll find some
trim bay
yea i have omni to see when off cd. But ty ill grab naowh now.
plush tendon
You can easily find a weak aura that tells you why external you have on you
Just go to wago; also, you can take quazi’s auras and just copy and paste his aura bar with the external
dusky canopy
Yeah great suggestion too ^
plush tendon
Or just duplicate some current auras you have and change the spell ID to what you want to see
dusky canopy
Quazzi’s are free
daring marlin
Beacon havers
plush tendon
I did that with not uis weak aura package cause he doesn’t show CDs on his aura bar
dusky canopy
No way
daring marlin
What's the cast time on it?
dusky canopy
You got it!?
daring marlin
I'm at work still so no!
dusky canopy
Damn I was about to be like bro I TOLD YOu
daring marlin
For real? disgusting
plush tendon
Pretty much 25% of my damage
daring marlin
I got anchor on my dk
daring marlin
That thing is fuckin' SICK
dusky canopy
Omg it’s 2.5 second cast
daring marlin
I love anchor
dusky canopy
I don’t even want it anymore
plush tendon
Omg it’s 2.5 second cast
It’s worth
daring marlin
I want anvil on my warrior
plush tendon
Trust
It takes time to slam a nuke
I just wished tank damage wasn’t so tied to borrowed power
dusky canopy
Same tbh
plush tendon
I look at my dks details… I’m pretty sure over half of it isn’t even my class
dusky canopy
Also tbf warriors isn’t really borrowed power
sick sentinel
i hate playing as dk
plush tendon
Also tbf warriors isn’t really borrowed power
Not nearly as bad
sick sentinel
i think dk is stupid
dusky canopy
You see our SS, TC, Revenge all at the top
plush tendon
Dk is just so strong in the raid
daring marlin
i think dk is stupid
bruh
mighty valley
Is "gear" borrowed power now
daring marlin
elaborate
dusky canopy
Lmao
plush tendon
And with it being such a chill raid this tier… I want to help my guild prog and dk is the better choice
dusky canopy
Harrow always slammin
sick sentinel
Is "gear" borrowed power now
ilvled like, 6 of them
daring marlin
No matter what @dusky canopy I'll be rocking a beacon and mark in keys
plush tendon
Is "gear" borrowed power now
Naw, but it’s like certain things like annulet and eggnog ring
daring marlin
I'm just being a scumbag
plush tendon
Or seeing brewmaster damage collapse cause of the weapons of order change
Kind of sus
sick sentinel
i dunno what it is that i don't like about dk
daring marlin
Or seeing brewmaster damage collapse cause of the weapons of order change
fuck 'em
sick sentinel
i feel like you are vunerable to how much ever you can heal and your healer can in times as trouble as bdk a nd then you just gota pray
like after you used your ibf
or whatever it is dks do
dusky canopy
Yogi homie
mighty valley
i think they overshot the rings for sure but if we start calling item effects and talents "borrowed power" the term doesn't really mean anything any more
dusky canopy
DK literally doesn’t need a healer
sick sentinel
they do for spikey dmg fights
sick sentinel
something that pings the tank for 500k
dusky canopy
i think they overshot the rings for sure but if we start calling item effects an...
Agreed we leave gear alone
hollow flower
with the new build.
How much haste do u wanna have without any buffs
daring marlin
I don’t like seeing anyone get nerfed
I agree for the most part but that bug was egregious.
mighty valley
with the new build.
How much haste do u wanna have without any buffs
don't worry about it, gear for ilvl
dusky canopy
“Borrowed power” in my mind is time gated bullshit that you have to acquire to be optimal
Random gear with strong effects is not equivalent
plush tendon
I agree for the most part but that bug was egregious.
Yea, but to fix the bug and give nothing back is egregious
Imo
edgy kindle
Felt like pinging you again, sorry for the inconvenience
plush tendon
And I don’t even play monk
edgy kindle
KEKW
mighty valley
you've achieved the dream
mighty valley
although i bet one mastery point sims for so much with that setup lmao
dusky canopy
Felt like pinging you again, sorry for the inconvenience
Oh btw no worries guy ping anytime I enjoy talking wow that’s why I’m here
dusky canopy
you've achieved the dream
This guy had 260ish mastery when I suggested to get some mastery so he itemized out of ALL of it instead lmao
Respect
sick sentinel
i was spoiled by 436 druid healer
no idea what kind of (special/noteworthy) gear they had
vocal nimbus
pinned t30 talent builds are the most update builds?
tropic gorge
Yep
vocal nimbus
asking because of the updated 2nd may note
solid sun
lol
marsh stone
Yeah it was never fun back in the day either
daring marlin
Add HP should be cut in half
shell garnet
question about bombs on Zskarn - i walked under the bomb as it was falling and got oneshot by it
i understand i should wait some arbitrary amount of time before detonating?
marsh stone
Add HP should be cut in half
When they spawn on the direct opposite side of the room...
daring marlin
Adds have too much health and you spend way too much time having to focus them
sick sentinel
ahh, i dunno then
solid sun
I assume 21+ it starts to get tricky
toxic pewter
When they spawn on the direct opposite side of the room...
Yah I always pull boss back toward mid after he does his channeling thing
warm plinth
if its not the jump thing
The jump is not really a mechanic because if you jump, it does nothing. The add is unavoidable damage.
daring marlin
They did nerf the add HP
Wasn't enough
daring marlin
@warm plinth Isn't it level alt weekend for you!?
warm plinth
Nah, I have uh
June 18th-25th off work
The XP buff doesn't happen until the 15th of June
warm plinth
Yeah I agree, wish it was the entire event
But, there is a couple days of overlap with MoP timewalking
So that'll be some insane leveling
18th and 19th is the end of the MoP week I think
sick sentinel
require 23 arc light capacitors to get all my first craft bonuses from engi i care abut, like, wont do the spark goggles ones
dusky mica
pugging kinda wild this week, Incorporeal is a hard counter to today's youth
fast knot
I just inspect my nerds beforehand
extreme prejudice on any ret
If they aren't running said abilities they can get yopped
daring marlin
If they aren't running said abilities they can get yopped
good, they ain't worth bringing if they don't spec that shit.
legit lose nothing by speccing into them
fast knot
Just the main class I've noticed that bitch the most about having to use their ability
warm plinth
Eh I mean, if I have like any combination of hunter, druid, warlock, mage, I'd be pretty salty about having to use a CC as a ret paladin
final mist
So Bacon kinda good trinket
proper roost
legit have not had any issues with incorp this week
is it scourging 11-15s or something
i noticed when i was helping out friends they just never want to lose a single gcd to cc even if it literally wipes the group
warm plinth
I think I've had one time where it was like...very poorly managed but other than that it's been okay
strong forum
We were on last boss in UR, just a few seconds after the last adds spawned that I noticed that we're all doing 100 dps
Luckily the robot finishes off the adds 
1 add went unnoticed
proper roost
yea i have had a wipe on altairus because pepega pug hunter didn't notice them spawning at the edge of the room
but only remember that instance because it was the only time i actually had one go off so far
modern brook
its a good mechanic
all of my complaints with it come from being paired with spiteful
strong forum
Atleast spiteful doesn't oneshit on a 21 anymore
It's now a much more manageable affix
modern brook
yah spiteful is also fine; i just think its ABSURDLY fucking stupid that the incorp adds dont despawn cause of spiteful ghosts
warm plinth
all of my complaints with it come from being paired with spiteful
Yeah that was fucking malicious compliance on Blizzard's part. Oh sure we'll make it despawn when combat ends. Proceeds to put it with an affix that extends combat after mobs are dead 
proper roost
i play fury for most of my keys rn (it's somehow easier to get into 20s than as prot) and spiteful nerf is kinda nuts
it was mildly risky to facetank them at 20s last season
this season, max spitefuls melee fury for ~180k, it's a total nonissue
sick sentinel
finally got the wyrmhole so i can travel where i want
warm plinth
finally got the wyrmhole so i can travel where i want
pog
Oh hey yogi, did that vid finish uploading?
warm plinth
That's a 385 tw trinket
tf? What trinket is that?
cinder nova
heart of solace
sick sentinel
pog
ya
i linked it twice here so far, its unlisted
has stream audio for first 10 minutes incase you want to mute
cinder nova
That's the fucker
fast knot
Guess I'm camping timewalking for more than just the mount
cinder nova
This cant' be right, it would have to have absolutely batshit uptime
im gonna dummy log and see
Had to be a fluke
I reran it and now it's -4K
toxic pewter
heart of solace... i am really needing a trinket is it good
oh you cant even upgrade it lol
cant be that good
sick sentinel
god, need 8 more azpthrottle souls
cinder nova
I'm giving it one more pass to be sure
Yeah, it's dogshit
I almost had a heart attack
warm plinth
Good lol
sick sentinel
killed like 100 rares today
toxic pewter
why
sick sentinel
oh just do sometin not mythic +
bit faster traveling around dragon isles, make more toys with engineer etc
plush briar
spell block doesnt affect magic dots right
summer lintel
Anyone happen to have a CD rotation for Mythic Rashok? WCLogs is down
dire sparrow
Ooft I feel like the zskarn cheese nerf, means really bad stuff for us
dusky canopy
oh nah its prob fine
dire sparrow
No 3rd tank for bombs, and the dot already hits like a truck
dusky canopy
why can you not bring a 3rd tank? youre saying because the enrage timer is to tight?
dire sparrow
Yeah at least that’s what raid leader exchange is saying
Have to wait till reset to be sure
dusky canopy
interesting thats a discord right?
calm aurora
dire sparrow
@shut summit reckon we can survive without a 3rd?
we were the last tank to get a log on this fight, curious to see how hard it is now
dusky canopy
Honestly i feel like that will make the fight more annoying
dire sparrow
yeah its gigabuffed now
dusky canopy
being able to control tactical destruction spawn location was good
dire sparrow
it's weird for HoF now, anyone that is passed it now ideally wouldnt reclear if they want it
dusky canopy
enrage thing is kinda whatever becuase you usually get overwhelmed by the traps anyway
idk im not a super dedicated raider i just pug blast heroic so well see what the mythic guys have to say about it
dire sparrow
might finish gearing my paladin now just in case
south mesa
Magical damage; pain
toxic pewter
would you guys wear an equal ilvl ring with vers/mastery with a socket over a haste/vers ring
dusky canopy
i would sim it
odds are socket will win if its same ilvl
more stats better than correct stats
so to speak
south mesa
Defs sim
warm plinth
spell block doesnt affect magic dots right
I believe the dot on Sarkareth is the exception.
toxic pewter
ya gonna sim
warm plinth
Blocks it like any other magic (spell block that is)
south mesa
Initial hit only?
toxic pewter
spell block is great for sark
zenith briar
Does that mean you wouldn't have to run out/shadowrealm the dot explosion?
warm plinth
No, you still need to handle the explosion because that's on everyone, not just you
zenith briar
Gotcha, had a smooth brain moment where I forgot block is just damage reduction. Not complete avoidance 😄
reef haven
Yo, best classes to deal with incorporeal besides lock? any ideas?
warm plinth
Besides it's my understanding that the tank generally has to do bomb on mythic anyway because it hurts DPS too much or something?
zenith briar
I'm a heroic pug gamer so I wouldn't know for mythic
warm plinth
Yo, best classes to deal with incorporeal besides lock? any ideas?
Hunter, priest, druid, mage
zenith briar
Yo, best classes to deal with incorporeal besides lock? any ideas?
I run with a monk who seems to trivialize it
Para is instant cast right?
zenith briar
I haven't had a CC broken on one yet. Aoe damage doesn't hit them
reef haven
oh really, nice to know
zenith briar
Except for weird edge cases 😄
reef haven
any we have to worry ourselves?
warm plinth
Nah
The two examples I've seen so far are twin moons from boomies and the kill shot cleave dot from MM hunters
But, since incorps don't seem to spawn in melee most of the time, it's generally not a concern
reef haven
I swear all the ghosts spawning this week is so chaotic even if easy to deal with
Making me consider a different nameplate addon bcs of it
might switch to the weakauras ones
sick sentinel
one of them turned into a pokemon
yeah, 1 more of frost and earth so long as these don't pokemon also
timid beacon
need help. Zskarn Heroic. How many stacks should tanks be swapping at?
undone verge
7-12
timid beacon
and do the tanks have to stagger it?
warm plinth
Stagger it? What do you mean
timid beacon
So one takes 7, then the next tank takes it and the 1st tank has to wait to taunt back until the dot drops off the first tank
timid beacon
k...so take the 7th stack, 2nd tank taunts and then that sets the rotation from there pretty much
warm plinth
Basically yeah
warm plinth
what is this supposed to be
No idea, never seen it before
timid beacon
beautiful...thanks
final mist
appears to be a raid thing
its for the evoker leggo IIRC
sick sentinel
ii would like to point out that arclite capaictors arre 550gold each
they need, 50
warm plinth
@sick sentinel what size screen do you play on?
crude notch
Lil bro plays on an etch a sketch
sick sentinel
close as i can tell those are the models
dusky canopy
I played on UW for a few years it was pretty awesome ngl
but went back to 27" so information was more centralized
hollow hill
Any tips for heroic zskarn? i'm running defensive stance and talented for extra stam but wondering if there's anything else I can do to reduce damage. Does spell block reduce damage from the dot he puts on you?
turbid shuttle
But, since incorps don't seem to spawn in melee most of the time, it's generally...
wait what? to my knowledge, incorps take 0 damage from anything.
warm plinth
That is how it's supposed to work, but is not the case.
turbid shuttle
huh TIL. Guess I just never ran in to it.
warm plinth
It also steals from target caps
e.g. if you have a fury war in the group, and there's an incorp in cleave range, it can steal one of their targets for their WW cleave
dusky canopy
razor fragments and twin moons are the known culprits yeah?
warm plinth
So they only hit 4 real targets instead of 5 (even though it doesn't do damage to the incorp)
Those are the two that I've seen so far. I'm sure there are others.
But it seems to be incidental type things, not like actual full cleave abilities
Like our TC and Revenge don't hit them, nor do things like Avenger's Shield
But I assume that like fury, anything capped will be affected by them (potentially)
dusky canopy
Razor fragments is a talent right i dont really know hunter
warm plinth
Yeah there doesn't seem to be any consistency in like...the type of ability that does it. Not that I've found anyway. So it must just be stuff that's coded weird.
dusky canopy
i wonder if our 4pc effect can do it
warm plinth
Like the primary target of Moonfire won't do damage to the incorp but the twin moons proc will if it chooses the incorp to go on
I don't think so since it's just a frontal and it's immune to aoe effects.
warm plinth
As far as I know there are no actual aoe effects that will hit them. Just weird shit that spreads from other targets
dusky canopy
very interesting it works that way
crude notch
I haven't had the cc break once and I've intentionally used it for Blood Frenzy rage gain.
warm plinth
Yeah you can hit them on purpose with anything and it won't damage them
But I know that moonfire from twin moons can break CC on them. I don't think the one I have getting hit by razor fragments was CCed but since it did actual damage, I assume that would break the CC as well.
crude notch
Huh. Interesting. Must be balance twin moons only then.
warm plinth
Yeah because if you cast moonfire directly on them, it doesn't do damage
Only if it cleaves on to them via twin moons
crude notch
I do know druids casting cyclone on them is like actively trolling
warm plinth
Kinda curious if fiery brand can cleave to it with burning alive though
warm plinth
Isn't it kinda hard to get cyclone for most druid specs anyway? And all but resto have to leave form to cast it anyway
Which just sounds terrible
crude notch
If you cast cyclone no one can cast an overlapping cc until it falls off because of how cyclone works
Hibernate is 100% the play
dusky canopy
Guys on tangent here, paladins should be doing more ST than us right?
dusky canopy
oh wow so if im a whole 30k ahead that guys doing something wrong yeah?
crude notch
Tremendously
dusky canopy
figured as much just was curious
warm plinth
wow, 30k lol
warm plinth
OOF
warm plinth
I got traded a vial by a fury warrior today 
final mist
I've done about 50 runs and thats the first one I've seen
warm plinth
On my ppal. Idk if it's even good but figured it has to be better than dreadplates
dusky canopy
yeah im not trying to weirdly flex or w/e that literally was happening
and he was literally flaming me for it hard
getting so mad
im like dude you hold threat you are the problem
im blasting i cant help it
warm plinth
Yeah like...do your rotation man wtf
dusky canopy
so i was just curious if prot pal should be beating us when played well
he even had ilvl on me
lmao
im only 435
final mist
Flaming you for him being unable to hold aggro?
dusky canopy
yes
final mist
warm plinth
How much damage was he doing?
warm plinth
oof
final mist
empty locust
like...he could always taunt back if he lost agro..
warm plinth
I do shit ST damage but that's because I haven't practiced enough. Hitting dummy on prot paladin is a really shit test too because half our shit hits other dummies :/
vale escarp
Maybe just put the "fishhead" toy somewhere where no other target is
mortal brook
dazaralor dummies are good
quiet minnow
like...he could always taunt back if he lost agro..
That creates another taunt dr problem if it’s a fast swap
I have very strong feelings about 30k dps tanks
I know too many of them 😦
empty locust
you get three taunts within 30 seconds if my memory serves me correctly
hard to see any fight where this would be an issue
unless he is trolling
crude notch
He's doing 30k he's obviously trolling
final mist
some people are just bad
well
the vast majority of people playing this game are just that bad
uneven mason
He's doing 30k he's obviously trolling
The people who only press SS/revenge if they glow
dusky canopy
so landed a new group
this time its a vdh
doing 33k
i only did 52k that one
LOL
uneven mason
doing 33k
This is why I can't trust other people to tank
Literally going to 2 box tanks from now on
final mist
uneven mason
So that you're guaranteed two bad tanks?
Exactly, no aggro problems if you're both in defensive stance
lusty grotto
so landed a new group
ive had absolute fucking huge problems with other tanks maintaining agro in both normal and heroic pugs
i rip it like nothing
pisses me the fuck off that i have to either swap to def or stop pressing shit
1st week maybe i was like okay should be pretty normal
but idk whats going on after that
dusky canopy
youre nicer than I
i will keep ripping until they get better or get replaced lol
it gets me kicked too sometimes but id honestly rather go somewhere else
then
LOL
daring marlin
@dusky canopy Rolled a 10 on Sark cloak and something else super low on the Beacon. HAD TO TAKE MINE FROM THE VAULT!
that's ok tho, thing is busted.
daring marlin
ranged even
dusky canopy
oh so its basically another season of grieftorch casting with a new name
not that bad
warm plinth
Yeah except if you accidentally cancel it, you can just recast it instead of having to cuss at yourself
empty locust
You need to take care with using Beacon, it can get you in trouble using it during a fight
quasi lintel
Just got Neltharion's Call to Chaos
Wowhead's not calling it BiS
but the pins here
are
daring marlin
It's great
crude notch
That's the joy in listing 8 trinkets in here
daring marlin
hi jordan
warm plinth
but the pins here
The pins here do not call anything BiS. It specifically says BiS lists don't exist and lists notable items from raid and dungeons.
warm plinth
ripperino
undone verge
I was farming 2 underrot for the mount, decided to do m0 real quick while I waited for groups and dropped first try lol
Then I go into a VP 2 for the other mount and some shitty rag hunter gets it
warm plinth
rag hunter?
undone verge
Ragnaros
warm plinth
What does his server matter 🤔
ionic fern
I guess in someones minds servers have some specific "aura" around them?
Like Argent-Dawn = everyone's a roleplaying weeb.
Etc.
warm plinth
Oh I know what he meant by it. I'm just trying to see if he's going to acknowledge the casual racism or not.
ionic fern
Fun fact, i got 5 characters on Argent-Dawn. I'm roleplaying as a warrior theorycrafter.
lusty grotto
There are some literal gods in ragnaros
ionic fern
warm plinth
It's the same with literally any server. The fact that a lot of them speak no english or broken english just makes them stand out to people and it's really fucked up.
lusty grotto
I agree
ionic fern
I'm ngl.
Playing with Argent Dawn people in dungeons is a breath of fresh air from time to time.
I had a mage in the group once (some casual +5 key) where he just was chatting all the time and when ever he pressed Combust he started talking about how he has to go through regenerative skin growth, which apparently hurts, after being on fire from Combust.
lusty grotto
I've had some horrendous area52 and Illidan people
ionic fern
Was weird at first but hilarious later on.
lusty grotto
Lol
warm plinth
Yeah I ran a Stratholme while leveling once and there was a paladin and a priest from Moon Guard (our big RP server) and that was an adventure.
lusty grotto
Moonguard folks are always fun
The one group of people that I'll always have a gripe with are blazed out players and drunk to some degree as well
Nothing against drugs, I dabble
warm plinth
Yeah...people butt pull "sorry lul I'm high af"
Then get the fuck out of the queue man, come on
lusty grotto
They're just fucking horrible all the time
I get shit faced as well outside of the game so nothing against the substances
What you said is pretty spot on
undone verge
Oh I know what he meant by it. I'm just trying to see if he's going to acknowle...
????
Casual racism?
warm plinth
Yeah, tf does his realm have to do with anything
undone verge
Most Rag players I play with are pretty terrible
warm plinth
Oh well that's obviously concrete evidence that his server matters.
undone verge
I didn’t say his server mattered, and even If I did how is that racist?
warm plinth
If his server doesn't matter then why did you mention it at all?
And why did you say "Most Rag players I play with are pretty terrible"
daring marlin
Nothing against drugs, I dabble
Everything against drugs. Shit's lame af.
undone verge
If his server doesn't matter then why did you mention it at all?
- Because I did, I usually am skeptical about those players, and 2. Because they are
warm plinth
Like this is a very common thing in NA and it's stupid and ignorant.
There are no more good or bad players on Ragnaros than any other server. It's a stigma that needs to die.
undone verge
Ragnaros is one of the only servers that I have ever seen a player with 2400 io/high io do half the damage of the tank
warm plinth
I really doubt that. More like you have the preconception that Ragnaros players suck and so you noticed that he was on Ragnaros when you saw the poor performance.
undone verge
If it were true that I checked players performing poorly to see if they were on rag, and noticed lots of players playing on rag then wouldn’t that still make me right?
Which I still don’t, but conceptually
daring marlin
Meh. I dislike the language barrier at times. They're not necessarily bad in my experience.
warm plinth
The problem is that you're remembering the bad performance BECAUSE they're on Ragnaros. Not because all Ragnaros players are bad.
Like how many shitty players do you play with on a daily basis? How many of them do you even notice their server lol
daring marlin
Illidan has a lot of shitters.
Tichondrius too.
I notice those two realms WAY more than Ragnaros.
warm plinth
Well, incidentally those are both very large servers.
So naturally there will be more of both shitty and good players on them
daring marlin
Ragnaros is also a VERY large server.
warm plinth
It is, yeah
undone verge
If you want to disagree with my assertion that most players on tag don’t live up to expectations that’s fine, but I still fail to see the ‘casual racism’
warm plinth
You don't see a probem with singling out latino players for their performance?
Because that's essentially what you're doing by singling out Ragnaros
That's who plays on that server
undone verge
I never singled out Latino players. I named by server specifically cause I don’t think singling out Latin American servers is ok. I play with great quelthalas and nemesis players. You are the one assuming I’m being racist specifically cause I have bad experiences with a specific server.
crude notch
Ragnaros is one of the only servers that I have ever seen a player with 2400 io/...
Why are you so fixated on the server, is the point? You only notice the Ragnaros players because it's inherited bigotry that leads you to it. If Ragnaros wasn't listed as a latino server, you'd view it as any other server with shit players. You're ignorant to think their server actually determines their skill level.
warm plinth
Have you ever posted anywhere "this fucking Illidan hunter man" or "this fucking Tichondrius hunter man"? Because I truly doubt it.
But you did say "this rag hunter"
If you don't think that's a problem then you're just being willfully ignorant.
pallid quiver
the only issue i have with people from other servers is if they're not NA proper
i don't even care about the latency myself, but people get mad bitchy and i'd rather just not deal with that
otherwise, those regions bad because they have humans and humans bad. na also bad because humans. eu also bad because humans
the only solution is to replace all humanity with superior machine lifeforms
daring marlin
ionic fern
You guys got it chill.
In EU we gotta roll the dice with a lot of the servers in regards to "CAN THEY SPEAK ENGLISH??".,
ionic fern
ALso, lets not turn this into too political. Thank you.
daring marlin
:^)
crude notch
Xenophobia shouldn't be political, is the thing.
pallid quiver
oh was it getting that way? i just saw some shit out of the corner of my eye while playing advance wars
ionic fern
Rather me just putting out the potential mess that could have unfold.
daring marlin
You guys got it chill.
In EU we gotta roll the dice with a lot of the servers in...
Is it true the russkies are beasts but never communicate?
pallid quiver
i'm pretty against judging people based on region if we're not considering latency, considering i, uh, play on JP PSO2 servers, so
i don't even have to roll that dice 🙂
ionic fern
Is it true the russkies are beasts but never communicate?
It's more like 50/50.
They are either godlike and never talk. Or talk too much but can't play the game.
daring marlin
undone verge
Still not judging based on region, it’s one specific server I have negative experiences with players. People just trying to look for a reason to make it something to get angry about ig
pallid jewel
fresh player and tank, any tips 🙂 ?
crude notch
You're not meaning to do it, but you are.
pallid quiver
Press your buttons, use CDs on CD
ionic fern
fresh player and tank, any tips 🙂 ?
Ee. PRess buttons.
daring marlin
fresh player and tank, any tips 🙂 ?
press shield block, face mobs
crude notch
Their server is irrelevant and you're making it relevant.
ionic fern
😂
pallid quiver
That being said, also check out the guide on IcyVeins
crude notch
Shit players can be found on any server and if you can't find them, maybe it's you.
pallid quiver
if you're like, wild new and have no idea where to start
crude notch
It's more like 50/50.
They are either godlike and never talk. Or talk too much b...
Just like in any particular League of Legends game, the person that talks the most is the person that's most likely to be 0/10 running it down mid
pallid jewel
saw quazi video now reading wowhead
undone verge
Their server is irrelevant and you're making it relevant.
I felt the server was relevant since I have talked to many people who tell me specifically not to invite people from rag, or talk about how a rag player griefed their key. It’s not just me having negative experiences
ionic fern
Just like in any particular League of Legends game, the person that talks the mo...
I've played League as a Single player game for the past 4 years.
I just have all the chats muted.
pallid quiver
I have zero idea who or what quazi is, but hopefully it'll get you started
ionic fern
So i can't see things.
crude notch
based
daring marlin
I love people that rage type in keys about literally everything
in the middle of council o captains on a 21`
"hey you can los here"
pallid quiver
Wowhead guide's decent, too, but I prefer IcyVeins since its written by someone more dedicated to the class
daring marlin
"hey come here"
"hey"
motherfucker shut up they nerfed it
not even required anymore
play the game
pallid jewel
ah ok ill switch to icy then
how would i know the routes lol, scared about that part the most
ionic fern
Honestly, both work. They are a solid basis for understanding the class and get you going.
crude notch
I felt the server was relevant since I have talked to many people who tell me sp...
I've played with shitty people from every server, if you fail to admit that, you're further proving other's point.
pallid quiver
mash your face into them
daring marlin
how would i know the routes lol, scared about that part the most
be a scientist
EXPERIMENT
ionic fern
how would i know the routes lol, scared about that part the most
Experience. Just gotta jump into them and do them.
pallid quiver
Honestly, both work. They are a solid basis for understanding the class and get ...
and this, yeah, if you're super duper new, it won't matter between them
warm plinth
Still not judging based on region, it’s one specific server I have negative expe...
Do you realize that you can't say it's not about their region when it comes to Ragnaros? Like...that's literally the vast vast majority of latino players outside of Azralon.
Like you can't say "oh it's just this one server" when that server is basically the entire population of that part of the world lol
undone verge
I've played with shitty people from every server, if you fail to admit that, you...
That’s not what I’ve said at all, saying I find a lot of shitty players on tag doesn’t mean I haven’t played with a fair share of shitty players from every other server.
crude notch
That's like saying it's not about Australia when talking about Frostmourne players.
pallid quiver
how would i know the routes lol, scared about that part the most
A good thing to note is that they've been decently trending towards "Hold W" type routes barring a major skip or something, so you can clear most dungeons close to 100% just hitting mobs as you go
warm plinth
Right
warm plinth
I felt the server was relevant since I have talked to many people who tell me sp...
And this here is because there are a lot of people who do exactly what you did. They are just perpetuating a stereotype.
crude notch
Yeah just because there's others sharing your mindset doesn't make the mindset right
pallid quiver
On top of that, you don't need majorly refined routes unless you're really pushing keys; you can still clear 23s and all even with overpulling.
you just might have some pugs that get really pissy with you
You'll also get pugs getting pissy with you if you do everything right, so
warm plinth
Again, they probably have had lots of shitty players in their keys, but because of the stigma surrounding Ragnaros, those are the ones they remember.
crude notch
Hitler had a lot of followers.
sick sentinel
Every Ragnaros player I’ve ran into except a couple in high pvp elo , sucked balls lmao
warm plinth
Oh good another one
mighty valley
people rarely even notice a player's region until something's gone wrong lol
sick sentinel
Tell your server to stop bricking keys @warm plinth
pallid quiver
I play late at night, so I default to checking regions to make sure I don't mix OCE and NA, but that's it
warm plinth
people rarely even notice a player's region until something's gone wrong lol
Exactly. People remember the bad far more than the good.
warm plinth
Yeah I'm not latino nor do I play on Ragnaros. Weird how I don't have to be part of that demographic to defend bigotry against them huh?
daring marlin
sick sentinel
He's not ragnaros you clown. You played into his trap.
Didn’t you just say “Hitler had a lot of followers too”
ionic fern
Gonna be a mass mute in like 2 minutes if we don't swap away from the this topic that is going nowhere outside of just sparking hate.
sick sentinel
Who’s really being a bigot lmao
mighty valley
jesus christ
crude notch
No shot you just called me a bigot for saying Hitler had a lot of followers?
daring marlin
Yes, I too enjoy tanking in World of Warcraft.
warm plinth
I'm going to stop because I don't want to get muted. But I'm not ever going to not call this shit out when it presents itself.
undone verge
Yes it could be negative bias, I don’t believe it is, but that’s possible. But you still accuse me of being racist simply because I have negative experiences with players that happen to be from Latin America. I’ll leave it at that because this whole conversation is dumb. But if you disagree that’s fine, but at this point it’s just looking for something be upset about
warm plinth
Yes, I too enjoy tanking in World of Warcraft.
There is a warrior specialization called protection that I rather enjoy.
daring marlin
🤝
mighty valley
Anyone got any tips on playing Protection Warrior? I'm trying to figure out a playstyle that involves not dying - but doing damage is pretty good too
crude notch
Let's be real, it's Stormrage people that are the real problem.
warm plinth
Anyone got any tips on playing Protection Warrior? I'm trying to figure out a pl...
I have heard pressing buttons does wonders.
crude notch
mighty valley
Woah... turns out the smartest players really are on Discord Servers
ionic fern
I have heard pressing buttons does wonders.
That's a lie.
warm plinth
D:
ionic fern
I sit in Stormwind, press 0 buttons, and have no issues staying alive.
warm plinth
wow 6 whole keys huh
ionic fern
Heck jeah.
Going big.
But no, i always get demotivated to play when raid parsing is tied to RNG procs.
Happened also with Corruptions etc.
warm plinth
crude notch
why deplete?
See staying in stormwind is the play
can't deplete keys if you never leave stormwind
Back to my movie, behave kids.
frosty mist
Hi guys, my group is struggling to time a +15 this week, it's look like a lack of dps (boss take too much time to die... ) what do you think should be this minimal dps ? 50-60-70k on boss or more ?
warm plinth
On a 15? I'd say 60k should be easy for anyone without lust.
frosty mist
I think we have that, so I guess it's mixed with incoporeal thing, probably few mistakes on mechanics... yesterday we try uldaman and underoot +15, both not timed. Some boss was down in first pull, others take more times (2nd boss of ulda and underoot, both was our main issue)
mighty valley
If any incorporeal casts go off, that hurts you real bad
What's your overall item level look like?
limpid anchor
I think we have that, so I guess it's mixed with incoporeal thing, probably few...
For ulda go to the second boss first with lust
frosty mist
420-425 I think
mighty valley
yeah you should be timing 15s pretty easily
frosty mist
For ulda go to the second boss first with lust
we had lust, but an incoporeal popped under the totem and wasn't cc, so everyone die.
mighty valley
that's all you have to figure out, at least two people need to be ready to look out for incorporeals
frosty mist
it was a tough evening, only HoI 14 was timed and I think with few seconds left (with the same group)
mighty valley
what's your comp?
jagged pier
literally giga group for incorpeal
2 traps
insta fear
hibernate
they shouldnt be an issue
marble cipher
banish
jagged pier
fear does the job
marble cipher
sure, just listing out what else they have 😄
jagged pier
from warlock not us
frosty mist
looks like some trap failed few times (when incoporeal pop in the middle of the pack)
mighty valley
that's on you to move the pack an inch to the side
frosty mist
yep
sullen gust
Pretty niche question, but on the second boss in neltharions lair, the dude who pretends to be a rock, is there a cast order for his spells? I'm never quick enough to hit spell reflect for sunder as it feels wildly faster than any other taskbuster spell. Id want to try and preemptively have it up so I don't need to try and hit my keys reactively.
dusty basin
Pretty niche question, but on the second boss in neltharions lair, the dude who ...
Use bigwigs?
If you have bars enabled you see the tank buster miles ahead
nocturne spindle
dusty basin
Na it’s magical
warm plinth
Nah it's always been nature
dusty basin
Nice reflect damage
sullen gust
Use bigwigs?
When you say bars enabled, what does that mean sorry?
warm plinth
His spellqueue isn't consistent so even if it's off CD he may not cast it right away. Best you can do is watch the timer and SR as close to the end of it as possible
dusty basin
Yeah he sometimes sits on the cast for 5s while it’s off cd, sometimes it comes instant
warm plinth
Sometimes you'll get it, sometimes you won't
dusty basin
When you say bars enabled, what does that mean sorry?
That stuff
The bars with the boss abilities. I assume you have used bw/dbm in the last
*past
If that’s not the case let me know
sullen gust
I have not....
I didnt think it was possible to know what spells were coming without just learning them
warm plinth
Bro
dusty basin
Oh wow 😄 sorry, it’s just been an integral part of raiding and m+ since forever, that’s why this was my basic assumption.
warm plinth
You're about to experience a lifechanging event.
warm plinth
And prepare to have your mind blown
Bonus points if you download BigWigs Voice too
dusty basin
Spend 5 min configuring it.
And then level up your Gameplay by a factor of 100
For tank busters that are reflectable it is nice to enable countdowns
So you have a voice counting down from 5 seconds before the tank buster comes
Then it’s ez pez
warm plinth
I think we just cured Eldritch's anxiety
sullen gust
I think we just cured Eldritch's anxiety
that boss had me sweating and shaking over the spell reflect key the whole fight
I'll report back once I've tried this witchcraft
warm plinth
Just remember that you still might not always reflect that particular one because of spellqueueing
But you will at least have a good idea of when it's coming
drifting pecan
Tricky question I suppose: 3rd uldaman boss: can we intervene-spell reflect the dot?
loud wave
Do we actually want to use Voice of the Silent Star since we are losing alot of stamina ?
mighty valley
Stam doesn’t really matter that often, we don’t get one-shot
warm plinth
Cloaks are like...the lowest stat budget item tied with bracers. I'm sure we'll survive.
graceful cobalt
good morning guys i got phial of Animated Blood (424) Mark of Dargul (428) Ward of Faceless Ire (424) and Frenzying Signoll Flare (424) wich Comb i should use
warm plinth
Vial and Mark or Ward and Mark depending on whether you want a defensive trinket or not.
graceful cobalt
sims tell me that Mark of Dragrul and Frenzying Signoll Flare makes as combo most DPS 200 more than Mark of Dragul and AnVil
warm plinth
What are you simming?
graceful cobalt
thx i will try it with Phial and Mark otherwise i use Mark and Ward
was single fight
and Top Gear
zealous spade
good morning guys i got phial of Animated Blood (424) Mark of Dargul (428) Ward ...
you could consider Heart of Thunder as well, if you want to double offensive trinket
zenith briar
if you like that you'll love reflecting the slam after the knockback on last boss
tired girder
New to tanking and don't know how to sim as tank. Is using raidbots or any particular for tanks , like healers have
trim bay
the magma thing?
atomic inlet
what about treemouth? isnt that better than talisman of the crashaper
sleek current
New to tanking and don't know how to sim as tank. Is using raidbots or any parti...
We SIM the same way as DPS.
loud wave
If I kill sarkareth will I see loot from him in the vault every week or just in the week that I've killed him?
jagged pier
u can see it every week
doesnt mean youll get it
its just random loot from bosses youve killed
loud wave
From bosses You've killed . That means in order to get a chance for loot from Sarkareth I need to kill him weekly
hollow matrix
We SIM the same way as DPS.
Could you explain a little bit more? I'm new to wow and tanking. How do you use raidbots I don't understand it
jagged pier
because the best stats for damage are your best defensive stats/ enough to live because your can tank anyting in any gear from this season basically as tankiness comes form play
strong forum
what about treemouth? isnt that better than talisman of the crashaper
Talisman has shorter CD and larger absorb
merry pond
Treemouth has larger absorb, if not considering the dmg taken.
strong forum
That being said, if you don't need an absorb every minute then yeah, tree mouth is better cuz mainstat the mainstat on it is just more dmg
merry pond
or perhas I'm dumb from checking 441 vs 4387
strong forum
With tree mouth you inflict self dmg, which half of it is already going into tree mouths absorb iirc
merry pond
oh really, my bad then.
strong forum
But like I said, if you don't absolutely need the 1min CD on talisman, then treemouth is an 3% overall dps gain
For ~roughly the same absorb
loud wave
from bosses youve killed ever in the tier
Okay got IT thanks
strong forum
But both being 50% absorbs is fantastic for our kit
Cuz it activates IP and is also a buffer for IP that it doesn't get consumed so quickly so it's rather a 75% DR than just 50
atomic inlet
Talisman has shorter CD and larger absorb
ow ok so i have both 441 im gonna chose wisely now
merry pond
Indeed. Both feel very much viable to play. Talisman is almost an overkill, but it feels rather overpowered in keys if you rotate defensives somewhat properly.
atomic inlet
btw talsman have 600 vers wich is nice for me ( i mained cirit hast)
atomic inlet
strong forum
point still stands
merry pond
In general indeed. But you might also feel a stronger chunk of incoming magic damage without any versa. And it can be an issue in some specific dungeons. Like some places in Uldaman, or Neltharus.
oblique kayak
from bosses youve killed ever in the tier
fun fact- that was news to me i thought it only considered kills if the weak
jagged pier
oblique kayak
thx
atomic inlet
mainstat beats vers' ass' any day of the week
u mean cirit haste when saying mainstat?
strong forum
no, strength
oblique kayak
u mean cirit haste when saying mainstat?
str
atomic inlet
ow
strong forum
which is why some trinkets are elusive in how much dmg they provide
trinkets without str often have stronger dmg procs
and trinkets with strength have less stronger dmg procs
but for the fact that it has mainstat it equals out, or often outright beats other trinkets unless overtuned like bacon
sick sentinel
Primary stat =primary most effective way of increasing performance secondary secondary tert third
You always want more int as caster say
atomic inlet
which is why some trinkets are elusive in how much dmg they provide
so i have this two
but yea i notice mark of dragul does more damage but since zaqali have str i gusse it balance it out?
strong forum
well not exactly
its moreso that primary stats are str/int/agi + stam
strong forum
so i have this two
but yea i notice mark of dragul does more damage but since za...
mark is slightly overbudgeted so it does a bit more but yes
warm plinth
fun fact- that was news to me i thought it only considered kills if the weak
Not only that, but this tier they made a change that even if you didn't kill say, the 3rd or 4th boss, but you killed the 5th, you will have the 3rd/4th boss's shit on your table too.
strong forum
they made it specifically so that if you killed endboss on that difficulty once, it unlocks all loot to be rolled
warm plinth
Weird, anyone else just have discord die for like 5-10 mins?
strong forum
Ye
summer flax
since i have no real defensive trinkets (not sure if icon counts), should i use Mark of Dragul and Grapnel? Tanking mostly m+
id still use icon if its to enable dps in dungeons
strong forum
you dont rly need defensive trinkets until ultra keys if at all
full send dps until you think you cant
summer flax
also, whats the CD of sunder from second boss in NL? can i reflect them all?
rough hazel
I'm a bit slow into the tier - did not see the Forgestorm weapon - am I screwed ? Did I megawaste a spark? Got Weapon and Shield. Second question, it seems to me the dungeons drop good/haste vers belt/boots/bracers - could a crafted cloak be an option till lastboss raid decides its time I get his cloak? 😄
potent gulch
cant reflect all no
you can. if you run away from him when he cast his spells. because sunder is melee spell ;>
strong forum
cringe
warm plinth
I'm a bit slow into the tier - did not see the Forgestorm weapon - am I screwed ...
You get a spark every 2 weeks guaranteed so idk about wasted. I would not be spending a spark on a cloak any time soon though. There's a ton of cloaks, they're low stat budget, there's just no reason to spend a spark on a cloak
shell garnet
can someone explain to me how to use crafting orders? let's say i want a 447 shield, I understand i have to somehow obtain an enchanted aspect's shadowflame crest? how do i go about getting that?
sick sentinel
you need wyrm or aspect crests and an enchanter person
only rank 3 tier 3 and 4 whatever you call it, of crests can be enchanted to be used in crafting enchanted crests
and then once you have the crests, and the enchanting parts (ah or alt or guild) you bring to enchanter, they make the enchanted crest then you bring it the the work order place and have some one use the enchanted crest on your gear
then, you have a 437 max at rank 5 (wyrm) or max 447 (aspect)
warm plinth
TL;DR: 4 aspect crests = 1 enchanted aspect crest (made by ench) = one 447 crafted piece
Or 3 wyrm crests = 1 enchanted wyrm crest = one 437 crafted piece
Enchanted crests are used the same way infusions were last season
sick sentinel
another TLDR (this is type of stuff could be on war craft yt shorts if lots of ppl don't know how it works)
each crest is 2 or less timed runs and 3 failed runs, if the way you want to go about it is keys mythic +
go to appropriate key level that drops that parts you want, and it drops 5 if you fail the key, or 12 if you finish under timer
it take 15 fragments across all 4 types (lowest) whelp > drake > wyrm > aspect (highest)
dusky canopy
@warm plinth One of my best WoW friends was originally a rag player from Argentina, he mains disc/holy and is absolutely goated. In general I have way better experiences with high io rag and azr players. It’s almost like they’re used to not being able to communicate with a lot of players so they just naturally do everything next to perfect without asking.
It’s great. People miss out on a large portion of really good players because they blindly follow the bad stigma lol.
I’ll continue climbing, while all the stigma nerds keep failing with the shitter illi bros or A52 players, it’s funny how that works
sick sentinel
its good until you say "warlock banish the caster"
and he has no idea wtf you are on about
can't even begin to u nderstand what you just typed, or what you want him to do
takes him 20 seconds to understand
dusky canopy
And then they end up banishing anyway because they just know it needs to happen
sick sentinel
or they disconnect
cuz im in canada and they are in mexico or texas or somethin
GG internet
dusky canopy
Fun fact you can explain what to do to someone who can understand you perfectly and they will still fuck it up because of lack of skill.
sick sentinel
well, yeah, but its like, if you have a kid driving a car and you tell him how to not make a car crash vs a adult with brain and liscence
the reaction time to understanding the goal is whats imperative
median tulip
If you tell the Warlock that they can freely Mortal Coil the adds they'll do it flawlessly
proper roost
Extremely funny that yogi is the one saying this tbh
sick sentinel
its possible it could fuck up because rng says "GG too bad" as well as the skill issue
dusky canopy
Ok so for your example you could just physically teach that without talking. And probably find success
crude notch
another TLDR (this is type of stuff could be on war craft yt shorts if lots...
It is.
crude notch
well, yeah, but its like, if you have a kid driving a car and you tell him how t...
No shot you just.
dusky canopy
My point is when people try to blame language barrier for their shortcomings, they usually could have just played better themselves.
And respectfully, when you play at a 11-15 key level range, communicating is the least of your worries because that level bracket usually makes a lot of mistakes regardless of any “barrier”
craggy pilot
anyone have a good route for Brackenhide?
crude notch
Yogi out here getting hit in the back half the dungeon saying "nah man it's because the rag player didn't understand me"
craggy pilot
we go right or left after 1st boss?
final mist
Right
dusky canopy
I use the taktyk route for that place
crude notch
Trees every time.
dusky canopy
Right is hands downbetter
final mist
Then after you chop down the tree and cross the bridge
You can skip stuff by going up to the right onto that hill
sick sentinel
well, ragnaros or no, im still usually down to just invite whomever
final mist
Pull the bear and such and then do 3rd boss
And then go from there
Much easier
Gimme a sec
sick sentinel
but i mean shit, people getting mad and screaming and yelling over world of warcraft failures
trim bay
You need to Invite your own region. Well not need. But for keys it's always best
sick sentinel
nah, never heard of that happening ever
dusky canopy
I see a quality player in que that fits the role I want I invite it’s that simple, With the exception of frostmourne and that is only because of latency issues.
craggy pilot
how do i activate the graveyard at Gutshot?
trim bay
5 min into key I have 209 ms
trim bay
Yea it's oce
crude notch
90% of my keys I'm at 200ms because of the times I'm awake doesn't stop us.
trim bay
Key naturally depletes
sick sentinel
honestly, its only when its past 90 MS that lag gets bad i find
if its below 90 its fantasticly smooth, if its 250, we are doomed
modern brook
we died last time in Brackenhide and went to treemouth
Idt there is a gutshot gy
trim bay
I was on Mug thol
craggy pilot
Idt there is a gutshot gy
keystone.guru shows there is one 🤔
dusky canopy
It is insane
craggy pilot
but idk if you have to do something to trigger it maybe
modern brook
More like keystone.noobu
trim bay
I live in Sydney
proper roost
the graveyard for bracken picks the second boss you killed
it never updates forward
craggy pilot
ohh
proper roost
yeah it sucks
crude notch
My GF has been raiding HoF from AU on American servers for 4 expansions, so it's not quite the excuse people think it is.
modern brook
Oh that's uhhh dumb
sick sentinel
what im saying is there is much crap that can go wrong in a key for any reason thinkable and then ragnaros players frequently dc or can't comunicate,, and so, they set them selves up as easy targets for people mad that they just failed the key and wiped
proper roost
Well, I know you can 100% for gutshot because I've had bad despawns, idk about last boss
craggy pilot
the packs in tree area are really weird though comparing to the MDT map
no clue which to take and which not to take 😄
dusky canopy
@crude notch gaming at 200 ping is totally doable but it does show it’s inconveniences from time to time
proper roost
It doesnt matter mostly
crude notch
I thought this discussion was told to cease like 8 hours ago by Mwahi.
proper roost
Almost none of the mobs do anything
modern brook
no clue which to take and which not to take 😄
I go tree first and still have no idea what I actually pull tbh
craggy pilot
yea juust as long as i get to 69.2% for 2nd boss
modern brook
U basically just w key
dusky canopy
Oh I must of skimmed past that message my mistake. Happy to drop it.
proper roost
Just make sure you drag mobs on top of totem spawns
craggy pilot
feel like the last time i did Brackenhide we were at 100% count on 3rd boss 🤣
proper roost
they cant be ignored, only if the rotsinger dies early
crude notch
feel like the last time i did Brackenhide we were at 100% count on 3rd boss 🤣
This happens frequently lol
crude notch
Mark and Thunder still Allude me
I'm pretty sure thunder is non-existent.
I'm like ruler of vortex pinnacle at this point.