getting a lot of passive aggression from people in pugs
#protection
uneven mason
It's the despawn lines for the boss encounter area
vocal mica
Trying my best to never pug up to KSM
dusky canopy
In my experience Apb, the complainer is usually the problem lol
thin phoenix
I view hunters as liabilities
uneven mason
In neltharius and legacy of tyr
thin phoenix
that last pack on bracken hide i have to literally type in all caps COME HERE
toxic pewter
I agree just feel a bit demoralized when prot pal seemingly really does do everything better than prot warr right now
dusky canopy
Been blind folded since tbc RPing
mighty valley
I agree just feel a bit demoralized when prot pal seemingly really does do every...
Didn't you live through Shadowlands with us
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
Didn't you live through Shadowlands with us
yah but prot pal was shit then š
daring marlin
I agree just feel a bit demoralized when prot pal seemingly really does do every...
Not tank freehold
thin phoenix
ashen hallow was so fun though
uneven mason
I mean tanking in SL was about as fun as licking a cactus
daring marlin
prot warrior freehold god tank
fresh igloo
Been blind folded since tbc RPing
cursed vision of sargeras amirite
toxic pewter
i was ok with bdk being immortal in sl
dusky canopy
The only problem Prot paladin has is itās the wrong Prot
toxic pewter
but this pink tank.. i cannot help but draw similarities
uneven mason
i was ok with bdk being immortal in sl
Newsflash, they're still immortal
thin phoenix
bdk is the 2nd highest represented tank lol
toxic pewter
well yeah i know but theyre not like s3/s4 sl bdk
daring marlin
The similarities begin and end with having a shield bro
thin phoenix
but weirdly on my MW i have yet to play with one all the way to KSM
uneven mason
Paladins just do everything, you're not wrong, it's a marketing ploy to get all the anime lovers back to wow
mighty valley
i was a sicko shadowlands enjoyer but public perception of warriors was way worse than it is now
uneven mason
how can you guys talk about other tank in our holy arena of blood?!
Legit we generally don't
latent steppe
restive scroll
i was a sicko shadowlands enjoyer but public perception of warriors was way wors...
Same during legion, that was very frustrating
vocal mica
Yeah watching along with 3 other folks in dead land as a BDK soloād the final boss in HOA was pretty wild.
modern brook
its just frustrating, I find tank group utility wildly imbalanced
its happening again lets goooooooo
utility viability
protection warrior
VIABLE
toxic pewter
i dont get it
modern brook
you're too young
daring marlin
bfa S1 flashbacks
uneven mason
V I A B L E
daring marlin
I love it
modern brook
as proven by the reference to SL s4 BDK instead of BFA S1 bdk lol
uneven mason
bfa S1 flashbacks
toxic pewter
well there is a real situation occurring
uneven mason
Not really
toxic pewter
I mean I can go and list it all
but now prot pal mitigate and cant die better than us
that used to be their weakness
mighty valley
if we did more damage than prot paladins, suddenly the "utility" arguments would wash away
round socket
yo does anyone else struggle with dps/healers dying to the magmawave on elephant boss in neltharus? :/
vocal mica
Are yāall actually having a bad pug experience compared to Prot pally?
fresh igloo
i just don't pug.
vocal mica
The wave goes like 1 mph
fresh igloo
if i played this game to pug I wouldn't play.
toxic pewter
I only pug
round socket
i only pug š¦
vocal mica
I try not to
daring marlin
yo does anyone else struggle with dps/healers dying to the magmawave on elephant...
It happens all too often, unfortunately.
round socket
how often do you guys just "gg go next?'
toxic pewter
and I have had 3 incidences of anti prot warr so far
lusty tiger
It happens all too often, unfortunately.
daring marlin
Slow moving projectiles are very hard to dodge, you see?
modern brook
well there is a real situation occurring
smh the real situation is you forget pugs are npcs provided by the deep state to ruin your confidence and keep you feeling like you cant succeed
lusty tiger
smh the real situation is you forget pugs are npcs provided by the deep state to...
Pugs are a psyop
modern brook
true and real
toxic pewter
Why are you reducing me to a conspiracy theorist.. kind of awkward
uneven mason
yo does anyone else struggle with dps/healers dying to the magmawave on elephant...
Some people think it's orange sherbet
modern brook
how often do you guys just "gg go next?'
fairly i hate the iea that keys need to be completed
Id so much rather run the -1
uneven mason
how often do you guys just "gg go next?'
Yes
uneven mason
and I have had 3 incidences of anti prot warr so far
I've gotten less shit this season than I did all of s1
latent steppe
which two would be the best combo for m+? i dont know how to manage it for m+? i am also open to raid suggestions.
daring marlin
I dunno. First two weeks I would strugglebus through a 20 but at this point if the group seems like it's gonna waste my time I just say nah, next group
latent steppe
simply just sim and choose the best dps outcome?
cinder nova
which two would be the best combo for m+? i dont know how to manage it for m+? i...
Loyalties and sentry
modern brook
simply just sim and choose the best dps outcome?
yah prolly tbh
modern brook
Onyx info is in pins i think
I would agree with S, I'd expect loyalties and sentry
also brew 90% not responding to you but my awesome call back to 2017
uneven mason
simply just sim and choose the best dps outcome?
Probably the eternal sent and annulet
latent steppe
i apologize then
uneven mason
But sim it
latent steppe
will do thanks brothers
modern brook
should also very likely just enchant for haste tbh
uneven mason
Sock is chonky on rings
uneven mason
should also very likely just enchant for haste tbh
CRIT
fresh igloo
always a struggle to decide between crit and haste enchants heh
left basalt
š
uneven mason
I just focus crit
fresh igloo
top timed keys in the world rn are +24- +25. nice to see tattman still playing prot even if most of them are FOTM re-rollers
fresh igloo
I just focus crit
ye but haste feelsgood
modern brook
haste is the mature decision
fresh igloo
salty beer
daring marlin
You guys take for granted being in this discord
The negative stigma for prot warriors is 100% justified
modern brook
The negative stigma for prot warriors is 100% justified
honestly true and real
daring marlin
It's like THE proactive tank
fresh igloo
The negative stigma for prot warriors is 100% justified
that's it, shut down #protection we're over
modern brook
Remember like 2 years ago when 90% of discourse was "no please stop IPing, you need to use shield block" and now its only like 40%? and thats only cause its so beyond free to maintain 100% uptime
daring marlin
Have you seen clueless warriors in the wild?
toxic pewter
ya I have
fresh igloo
I mean there's clueless everything in the wild, not sure if that's making a serious point?
toxic pewter
when I play arms, the prot warriors I see are usually kinda bad
dusky canopy
I love that we donāt have to actively choose between ip and sb
So much better
S1 SL
modern brook
I mean there's clueless everything in the wild, not sure if that's making a seri...
Warrior has a lot less..... obvious? thins in it
like IP and sb exist on it
both compete with the same resource too
fresh igloo
i mean I GUESS... but blocking everything you can when you have a shield just makes sense to me
modern brook
If you walk into prot war with no background you can very easily just fold to everything
daring marlin
I mean there's clueless everything in the wild, not sure if that's making a seri...
If you can't discern what I meant then I can't help you
modern brook
other tanks are way easier to just pick up
daring marlin
I don't expect it considering you started with I mean like a contrarian douchebag.
fresh igloo
or maybe you could be more clear about your point? it's kinda tough to tell between the jokes and the serious here some times.
ah. ok. so it's like that.
daring marlin
Bro. People think it's a choice between IP and SB.
cinder nova
I am absolutely busting my ass to survive mid-to-late M Kazz, any tips
uneven mason
Have you seen clueless warriors in the wild?
S1 I was healing a smbg 15 and was really having to full on focus the prot war, checked the heal details, sure enough no indomitable no IP
daring marlin
Just think about it for two seconds. Compare it to DK.
urban bane
call externals
dusky canopy
@latent steppe to clarify I was shit posting with the āviableā messages. I wouldnāt out right shit on ya for asking questions
Weāre cool
cinder nova
call externals
Most of our external raid members are dead by the time I need to start asking for them
urban bane
yeah.... yeah.
dusky canopy
^ LOL
urban bane
cinder nova
The only ones that endure are the pallies
And I don't think asking sac is gonna keep them alive
daring marlin
S1 I was healing a smbg 15 and was really having to full on focus the prot war, ...
Precisely my point.
final mist
The negative stigma for prot warriors is 100% justified
It's kinda sorta halfway
All bad tanks are bad
It's just more easier to see a bad prot warrior than a bad other tank
final mist
^
Remember in the middle of BFA when we were actually gods and then they gigabuffed our tank passive by like 30%
modern brook
No indomitable!?
I'm domitable
final mist
That's why they did that
uneven mason
Bring back melee range heroic throw and gag order
final mist
Because the average tank has zero clue what they're doing
modern brook
Remember in the middle of BFA when we were actually gods and then they gigabuffe...
bro and then people were like "oh ip is off the gcd so warrior is good now"
proud patrol
That worm in Nelathrions Lair just feels great, not overtuned at all
uneven mason
Remember in the middle of BFA when we were actually gods and then they gigabuffe...
S1 š¢ šµ š
cinder nova
That worm in Nelathrions Lair just feels great, not overtuned at all
There's nothing on that boss that matters to us.
uneven mason
100,000dps
cinder nova
You can literally reflect the dot.
dusky canopy
I'm domitable
You can be dom thatās fine
proud patrol
but my group does š
dusky canopy
Reflect owns
final mist
bro and then people were like "oh ip is off the gcd so warrior is good now"
I've had arguments with friends who have never played Prot Warrior, and knowing who I am, argue with me that Prot Warrior is good because of the self-healing
cinder nova
I dunno, man. The 25% healer nerf at the start of the season is showing the boys from men.
final mist
They're dumb DPS, it's not their fault, they dint know any better
dusky canopy
Anytime my co tank bear and I discuss things Iām just like reflect bro
He big mad
dusky canopy
I dunno, man. The 25% healer nerf at the start of the season is showing the boys...
Hard agree btw
frosty mist
Hi guys, i don't understand how do you get 35% hast. On our tier set there is not so much hast on it. Other parts only have 200-300 hast. Some parts have close to 1k hast but one or two.
final mist
"But Sal look at the IP amount thats too strong" and I'm just proving a point to the healer arguing with me by flipping back and further between not using IP and not using SB in like a 23
final mist
Hi guys, i don't understand how do you get 35% hast. On our tier set there is no...
Other gear
dusky canopy
Hi guys, i don't understand how do you get 35% hast. On our tier set there is no...
Basically equip ilvl. then if you have two pieces the same ilvl, one with haste one without you prefer the haste one
And or otherwise completely ignore stats and sim every single piece you get and equip what the robot tells you
modern brook
I've had arguments with friends who have never played Prot Warrior, and knowing ...
my guild still sucks off IP
cinder nova
Hi guys, i don't understand how do you get 35% hast. On our tier set there is no...
You're worrying about the wrong thing, frankly.
modern brook
"like wow looka t how much healing IP is doing bro its so busted"
meanwhile i have like 800k B values
cinder nova
My Pal cotank does between 5-10K less HPS than me and seems to survive far easier tbh, at least on M Kazz
dusky canopy
Bull I should of added, āmy wife already isā
cinder nova
He just got Call to Chaos and he's absolutely brutalizing me on the threat meter
dusky canopy
modern brook
final mist
Simply do more damage
acoustic oasis
Just be more threatening bro
toxic pewter
once we get our dam buff, we goin hard boys
dusky canopy
I am the damage buff
acoustic oasis
Hell yeah
cinder nova
I'm usually parsing 99, I dunno how much harder I can go with my setup
final mist
Low threat / damage is a mindset issue tbh
toxic pewter
there always harder
modern brook
I'm usually parsing 99, I dunno how much harder I can go with my setup
about 1 i think :^)
acoustic oasis
^
cinder nova
Low threat / damage is a mindset issue tbh
Almost never with paladin atm.
Having 40-50% uptime on a trinket that gives over 2K mainstat is gonna be an issue.
daring marlin
He just got Call to Chaos and he's absolutely brutalizing me on the threat meter
It's actually good for pally
final mist
Sorry that's salcasm
cinder nova
It's actually good for pally
That's... yeah I know?
final mist
I'm not being serious
dusky canopy
about 1 i think :^)
Facts
cinder nova
That's why I mentioned it.
daring marlin
I think it's sad
dusky canopy
If ya aināt first yer last
uneven mason
Paladins are legit pressing judgement on CD and whatever the fuck lights up and you can do 20s
daring marlin
Cuz it's so trash on dps warrior
dusky canopy
Hi guilford btw
toxic pewter
tomorrow prot pal nerfs incoming, usually they anounce nerfs on friday
cinder nova
It's because every rotational ability they press but one is an AOE between their talents and tier turning them into one.
dusky canopy
Chillin
daring marlin
Correct
dusky canopy
You get a beacon on reclear?
toxic pewter
bromach a lot better imo
dusky canopy
Itās probably cake now tbh havenāt tried this week
daring marlin
reclear lmao
toxic pewter
totem a lot easier to kill
daring marlin
I'm like reprogging sark every group it seems
cinder nova
tfw your DPS still don't hardswap totem on bromach so they can add pad
dusky canopy
āRe pugā
daring marlin
pug lyfe
cinder nova
like wtf
daring marlin
cinder nova
Nobody even looks like M+ logs, nobody I know anyway
Why the fuck are they sweating so hard to pad.
final mist
I wonder how bromach is after totem nerf
Cake
daring marlin
I look at overall and judge the bad dps
final mist
tfw your DPS still don't hardswap totem on bromach so they can add pad
DPS don't have brains
daring marlin
always
final mist
It's an endemic issue
toxic pewter
people look at m+ logs sometimes
toxic pewter
some guildies got declined yesterday cuz their logs suck
dusky canopy
Hello
final mist
LOL
I got declined to a 17 UR last nivjt (I've done like 30 in the last weekend alone) because I don't have 4 set
daring marlin
Imagine getting declined from keys cuz your m+ logs suck
final mist
People are fuckin' wild in PF
toxic pewter
yah they were complaining in my guild chat
daring marlin
Just press your cooldowns on cooldown ez game
daring marlin
Brew is gamin'
dusky canopy
You have to try to get a 1
toxic pewter
prob harder to get a 1 than a 100
dusky canopy
Like actively
final mist
Only 99th?
toxic pewter
XD
vocal mica
What is even the utility of a tankās parse?
toxic pewter
u should duel that 1 guy for log supremacy
uncut thunder
I got declined to a 17 UR last nivjt (I've done like 30 in the last weekend alon...
People are weird. Itās like week what two or three? I have 2p and Iām relatively lucky. We have seen so little drop.
dusky canopy
You go look at it and find all my bad habits lmao
I still need trinkets and 4pc
Shits holding me back man
final mist
What is even the utility of a tankās parse?
wym its like parsing on anything else
Usually
cinder nova
Tanks can and should be doing as much damage as they can when they aren't under duress.
modern brook
People are weird. Itās like week what two or three? I have 2p and Iām relatively...
we're not even half way through week 3 and people are complaining "they've never seen [x] loot drop"
final mist
Unless there's some real degenerate parsewhore strat, it's just how good you push button + maybe how lucky you are
cinder nova
And if you're playing right and have the right gear, you should rarely be under duress except for some real ballbreaking content.
final mist
Tanks can and should be doing as much damage as they can when they aren't under ...
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
vocal mica
Gotcha so itās still a representation of DPS %ile
crude notch
well yes
final mist
Compared to others within the same spec, yes
uncut thunder
we're not even half way through week 3 and people are complaining "they've never...
Yeah people need to chill. Play. Have fun.
daring marlin
I love when tanks excuse their poor dps and say I'm playing defensively!
final mist
And then you go look and they aren't even defensive
Taking more damage and dealing less
daring marlin
final mist
š“
modern brook
I love when tanks excuse their poor dps and say _I'm playing defensively!_
I died to first boss in UR cause i kept saying to not kick the blood bolts and ran out of SRs š¦
final mist
"No no you don't understand I need the cheat death trinket for just in case"
modern brook
im playing AGGRESSIVELY
final mist
"It's only popped once in the last 600 fights I've done with it but it saved my life before we wiped"
God I hate those
daring marlin
lmao
modern brook
"It's only popped once in the last 600 fights I've done with it but it saved my ...
I always get in that fight, about why tank trinkets are bad
cinder nova
If tank trinkets did good damage based on mitigation while also being designed to prevent degenerate tactics like deliberately standing in shit, then they'd be good to use.
final mist
Yep
toxic pewter
if u on NA loot goblin spawning in valdrakken in 2 min if u can make it
final mist
We haven't had good tank trinkets I've actually liked since Bonus Armor existed tbh
cinder nova
if u on NA loot goblin spawning in valdrakken in 2 min if u can make it
What?
cinder nova
new diablo 4 tie in event
Where?
strong forum
they could just ykno, make the TANK trinkets only work if theyre equipped by TANK so then they can properly design them for once
without DPS/healers abusing them
final mist
Actually I lied the last good tank trinkets was Draught of Souls
dusky canopy
Whatās āplaying defensivelyā
daring marlin
without DPS/healers abusing them
member mythrax trinket in pvp
dusky canopy
Iām just a dps that doesnāt die
daring marlin
What a fucking meme dude
final mist
Whatās āplaying defensivelyā
"Like a bitch"
strong forum
playing defensively is a myth of the past that never existed
cinder nova
look at ur map in the city
In the tower or out in the garden
dusky canopy
"Like a bitch"
Preeeech
final mist
playing defensively is a myth of the past that never existed
Truuuuuuue
toxic pewter
In the tower or out in the garden
kinda garden portal icon shows on map
cinder nova
kinda garden portal icon shows on map
Is it up already?
cinder nova
ya but it spawns every 30 min in a random zone
I'm not seeing anything. What should I be looking for? Do I need D4 first?
toxic pewter
na dont need game
modern brook
I'm not seeing anything. What should I be looking for? Do I need D4 first?
P sre its sharded
strong forum
I'm not seeing anything. What should I be looking for? Do I need D4 first?
cuz the boblin is already dead
cinder nova
I see a Demon Portal up, but I dunno if that matters.
Lotta people crowding around it.
toxic pewter
yah that may be it
crude notch
I love when tanks excuse their poor dps and say _I'm playing defensively!_
play dn
dusky canopy
If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. You are already dead.
crude notch
killed the goblin got the cloak and hat
toxic pewter
yah same i got both those
dusky canopy
Ope āwcā
strong forum
i got banner bag cloak and hat so far
crude notch
Smash or Pass Rivergleam?
sick sentinel
perfect for asthetic, terrible for gampleay is my opnion of banner
oblique kayak
just to get relation iām doing 70k in a dungeon - what are dps expected to do?
crude notch
i'll tmog your banner
dusky canopy
Yas
crude notch
wait i swapped to my monk and there's another portal spawning lol
dusky canopy
just to get relation iām doing 70k in a dungeon - what are dps expected to do?
Thatās fine, dungeon dependent
Pull size
Etc etc
crude notch
If you want more dps, pull bigger.
final mist
Group skill too, because if packs die fast then everyone's dps will be higher
dusky canopy
Best toy in game is the one that puts your faction banner on your back
oblique kayak
Thatās fine, dungeon dependent
Sry - clarification. Not me - what are dps classes expected to do
dusky canopy
Oh they should be doing 150k
oblique kayak
š³
dusky canopy
The average do 100k
oblique kayak
true still stange to be first/second tbh
dusky canopy
Those are ball park numbers I pulled out of my ass so take it with a grain of salt
dusky canopy
Show it to us
oblique kayak
Those are ball park numbers I pulled out of my ass so take it with a grain of sa...
thx for the addition - will do
dusky canopy
Is it neat?
toxic pewter
ngl that cute as hell
dusky canopy
How long is this event?
oblique kayak
3 weeks
edgy kindle
Right now I have Crit/Vers neck 880/440, should I change it for Vortex Haste/Versa Neck 470/800 , I'm not sure about it being worth it
dusky canopy
Idk though my G egbob is pretty sic
dusky canopy
Right now I have Crit/Vers neck 880/440, should I change it for Vortex Haste/Ver...
You sim to get an accurate answer
Also
edgy kindle
You sim to get an accurate answer
Hmmmm, I'm dumb and did not considerate it XD, ty
modern brook
whatd i miss
daring marlin
he's lamenting that he didn't use the sim emoji
dusky canopy
Ye
modern brook
can someone chatting emoji for me please
dusky canopy
daring marlin
modern brook
ttyty
edgy kindle
If anyone was interested about what the sims would say, I keep my crit/vers neck
crude notch
what should i name my little diablo goat mf
daring marlin
jordan
crude notch
If anyone was interested about what the sims would say, I keep my crit/vers neck
huge diff
edgy kindle
Also, no mastery, XD
hushed cobalt
anyone know what in freehold i would be critting for 362k with pocket anvil that isn't harlan sweetey?
can't think of anything other than last boss that takes extra damage
hushed cobalt
it is a dot on themselves
hushed cobalt
i think it use to be, but then you would pull a few packs, group them up, and just run back over the bridge while they die to the dot
modern brook
p sure sweete is the only dam increase in the dungeon
sick sentinel
i knew it would go sou th
lime urchin
I just got banned by a streamer for saying not to play in d-stance
Apparently there is a term for that: backseating
Which I now know
What a day to be alive
lime urchin
I can imagine itās pretty annoying tho, ah well
cinder nova
i knew it would go sou th
Don't tank the tics tbh
sick sentinel
we wiped twice to crag maw and i left game
cinder nova
People not doing worms is a nightmare.
final mist
sick sentinel
it would have been okay if we didnt die on the first try to cragmaw but it was over by end of second wipe
final mist
People managing to walk into the ticks at the entrance murder my motivation to keep going
sick sentinel
i know that those ticks only cast in like, a cone in front of them self
and they can even be stunned i think
but, theey are nasty, always will be
hazy bronze
sick sentinel
i think you can stun both
frozen rose
For amalgamation chamber mythic, do you run into the other tank to reset stacks? Or..prob not no? Too much boss overlap. Maybe just a melee? Cause I believe thatās the mythic mechanic
cinder nova
I'm starting to despise DPS
Just bricked a HOI because they didn't want to go far with the aoe on iridius
I even tanked him in the corner of the plaform near the water to give them all the space in the world
dumb bastards
pallid hare
does anyone know how far wristguards are behind shadowflame in M+ sims?
dusky canopy
Idk exactly but I imagine itās a lot less than 6-8% overall
modern brook
I'm starting to despise DPS
dps= dumb pieces [of] shit
quiet minnow
Oh they should be doing 150k
depends pretty greatly what key lvl this guy is talking about
damn near 0% chance your average +14 pug dps is doing 150k dps
modern brook
100k dps is very achievable in 420 gear tbh
quiet minnow
sure-- but its certainly not a common number for mid level pug dps
modern brook
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quiet minnow
even at 430 i see 80-90k more than taht
dusky canopy
Right but itās good to understand what the standard is
Even if your party members canāt achieve it
And I did add ātake that with a grain of saltā
ruby steppe
hey guys, somehow I cant enchant my forgestorm, any ideas?
modern brook
hey guys, somehow I cant enchant my forgestorm, any ideas?
shadow flame enchant needs to be done at the shadowflame enchanting table in wheerever it is
dusky canopy
Has shadowflame wep enchant gotten better?
modern brook
iunno
dusky canopy
I was under the impression it wasnāt reliable
modern brook
i just use sophic cause it gives strength
cursive jacinth
Is there anything is out kit to deal with new affix?>
dusky canopy
i just use sophic cause it gives strength
Same same
tropic gorge
I can pull 100k with a CD stack and a decent sized pull. Last night during my guild raid I did big trash pulls and broke 100k a few times
Always nice to flex on dps
final mist
Is there anything is out kit to deal with new affix?>
You can interrupt and stun it, but ideally you use hard CC
modern brook
in pulls where u hit 100k your dps should be nearing 300k tbh
final mist
Like Hex or Polymorph
tropic gorge
in pulls where u hit 100k your dps should be nearing 300k tbh
I don't disagree with ya lol
ruby steppe
shadow flame enchant needs to be done at the shadowflame enchanting table in whe...
thank you
tropic gorge
I pull raid trash like I pull m+. Let's go
And tbh raid trash is easier than m+ trash to deal with imo. Wanna do 3 pulls and a boss? You got it!
modern brook
oh i didnt see it was in raid
raid trash is hilarious cause everyones in ST builds
or afk
dusky canopy
Is there anything is out kit to deal with new affix?>
Invite a mage/lock/shaman/priest/druid/hunter
modern brook
talent changing is free and they still wont do it smh
dusky canopy
Thatās the best way
modern brook
bolt-> menace fear should last the duration
final mist
Invite a mage/lock/shaman/priest/druid/hunter
Don't forget DH
modern brook
but we dont have any 60s-ers
dusky canopy
Tru but like then you have to bring a DH
final mist
Hey I play a DH
modern brook
sa L
dusky canopy
Judging
modern brook
my mans telling on himself
final mist
Don't worry I hate all DHs
dusky canopy
LOL
final mist
latent steppe
some mythic raid tanking issues
final mist
some mythic raid tanking issues
Hey I found your issue
quiet minnow
Right but itās good to understand what the standard is
Yeah I feel that, Iām just saying I donāt think your average pug dps even in 20 keys will pull 150k at any point this season. Good ones will, but Iād say that more often than not youāll have dps do way less
dusky canopy
āOo piece of candyā momentumās into trash pack over in outer space
Miss me with them problems
tropic gorge
some mythic raid tanking issues
Dwarf ftw. My brother in stone
dusky canopy
some mythic raid tanking issues
Sic mog hoss
latent steppe
Dwarf ftw. My brother in stone
final mist
āOo piece of candyā *momentumās into trash pack over in outer space*
ready check
person instantly puts keystone in
"MY META"
tropic gorge
I've seen 2 so far that lost their shit over the pre key meta
latent steppe
YOU HAVE TO BE A DWARF TO ENJOY THE TANKING
final mist
S t o n e f o r m
dusky canopy
>ready check
>person instantly puts keystone in
>"MY META"
I always go on the 2 just to fuck with em
modern brook
i hate the pull timer for key entry bro
i hate that it becamea thing because of BFA dhs
i hate everything about it
latent steppe
but my love... my ME-TA
dusky canopy
The best part about it is there is almost zero benefit to doing it now
I think incarn is the only ability that lasts long enough for it to matter
Or a pre pot
latent steppe
The best part about it is there is almost zero benefit to doing it now
nowadays its some kind of holy ritual for Illidan i think
modern brook
The best part about it is there is almost zero benefit to doing it now
there are more dungeons where its relevent this season
UR FH and Uldaman all open with pretty big pulls
dusky canopy
UR FH and Uldaman all open with pretty big pulls
Fair, yes
modern brook
Bracken too tbh
dusky canopy
True first pull BH is what 10 mobs?
modern brook
i do 7 i think?
TBH i dont have any routes
theres like 5-6 at the first cage, and a pat of 2-3 nearby
dusky canopy
Tru
modern brook
since thats generally where the hard capped classes get cucked
cerulean copper
Guys, what's the best to keep active? Ignore Pain or Shield Block?
I know we always need to keep both active, but what would be the priority between the two?
cerulean copper
I see...
dusky canopy
Priority specifically would be SB>IP if you necessary
You really shouldnāt ever be in that situation though
If you play properly
cerulean copper
Got it.
cerulean copper
And in the situation where I'm the tank that has a boss stack, which deals magic damage, but I'm not tanking the boss.
modern brook
SB should still be maintained for its offensive benefits
dusky canopy
Otherwise you prefer revenge
modern brook
but you would still be IPing
cinder nova
Am I high or should we be trying to stun stomp on 3rd boss of Uld
dusky canopy
Wo wo wo
Since when are you keeping block up when off tanking
Am I really miss playing that hard?
modern brook
since it became free to maintain block 100%
dusky canopy
Oh well yeah thatās true
latent steppe
i read about wowhead, nothing wrong with that BUT this trinket kinda feels stronk. can use it for progress mythic bosses?
atomic inlet
anyone got 4set wa?
dusky canopy
Itās meh
cerulean copper
@dusky canopy @modern brook Thank you guys!
cinder nova
anyone got 4set wa?
When you stop being blue it's active
There ya go, no aura needed
dusky canopy
Iām blue
daring marlin
man I just wanna game
dusky canopy
Same homie same
daring marlin
Gotta go to the gym after work tho
dusky canopy
This working thing is beans
daring marlin
PRIORITIES
cerulean copper
Are there any Warriors that are having difficulty keeping aggro tanking along with a DH?
daring marlin
I just need to kill heroic sark, not get beacon so I can take the beacon out of my vault
dusky canopy
They blast with 4set but I havenāt encountered an issue yet
daring marlin
like damn bro
vital arch
Yeah I always tip threat in pugs
dusky canopy
Heās like 90-95%
vital arch
why do you even want threat that bad just taunt when you need to swap and let a zug zug boy old the boss
dusky canopy
a bear that can't hold aggro
Tbf he holds he just canāt hold first 30 seconds ish
vital arch
my grapple goes brrrrrr
I tell pug tanks to let me go first
prot warrior opener just pumps, but if youāre ripping threat midfight then your off tank is wasting resources or GCDs on bullshit defensive abilities or just not clicking his buttons.
cinder nova
My pal cotank rips me in the first 30s
daring marlin
WoW just needs to nab Shirk from XIV.
cinder nova
I'm actually salty how good paladin is this patch
latent steppe
BIG INFO: If you are a dwarf warrior then hammering this anvil grants you +%20 versa and bonus beard beauty
vital arch
I'm actually salty how good paladin is this patch
Same especially since my brother was hard pressed on rolling ret instead of playing tank this season so I could heal ~_~
cinder nova
I'm not unhappy with warrior, because we got through the rebalance and talents pretty clean, but the rework on paladins is so laughably overtuned.
Maybe it's just Chaos that's enabling it
daring marlin
negative
It's prolly 2/4pc, might(maybe?) and speccing full ST for raid.
They have some absolutely cracked ST talents
just lose a fuckton of tankiness
cinder nova
Their passive survivability is pretty stupid
vital arch
lol I just swap shockwave, for SS cooldown, and shout for imp heroic leap like an idiot and pug heroic. How bad is that lol
cinder nova
Nobody takes shockwave for raid
vital arch
Iām still on s1 2pc so I keep revenge spamming so I donāt spec in to execute
cinder nova
I dunno what you mean by "speccing" execute
quiet minnow
Idk how bear would lose threat
Also lots of tanks have a weird mentality with just sucking shit at dps and thinking it doesnāt matter idk
Dh does good enough dam you shouldnāt be ripping off them if they taunt and then follow it up with basically any decent dps button
If they taunt and then just stand there and maybe hit 1 defensive then when taunt falls off sometimes you could rip it again
uneven mason
Tbf he holds he just canāt hold first 30 seconds ish
I could see this if they're holding CD for defensive use, but like bears are so bursty if they stack up their damage cd
daring marlin
Even doing subpar damage having threat ripped off you is so weird. There's still a 300% threat modifier for three seconds after you taunt!
Like you gotta actually be semi afk
near steppe
Also lots of tanks have a weird mentality with just sucking shit at dps and thin...
My main go as a tanker is to deal more damage than the dps specs
Suviving is secondary. Dead bosses dont do dmg
uneven mason
But there are exceptions everywhere, I was ripping off a paladin in a normal pug
Like bruh, hit your buttons
toxic pewter
i ripped aggro off vdh pretty hard last night on heroic sark, he kept saying i was taunting im like yeah.... no. did double his damage lmao. he blemished my name to the raid with lies
dusky canopy
Not this tank man my sole goal is to out dps at least one of the dps
quiet minnow
Even doing subpar damage having threat ripped off you is so weird. There's still...
yeah but if in those 3 seconds you do literally nothing (extremely common) then it doesnt mater
daring marlin
yeah but if in those 3 seconds you do literally nothing (extremely common) then ...
Precisely my point tho
near steppe
Not this tank man my *sole* goal is to out dps at least one of the dps
This is why we are crit gang
cinder nova
Not this tank man my *sole* goal is to out dps at least one of the dps
Sole*
dusky canopy
You got me hoss
cinder nova
cinder nova
What is?
next burrow
Shadowed impact buckler good ?
modern brook
Not compared to other embellishments
atomic inlet
When you stop being blue it's active
any wa for this?
oak ivy
Does intervene work on marked for butchery on BH first boss? I got a lil confused cuz it seemed like it was working at first but toward the end of the boss' cast they started taking damage again n i dont think it was intervene duration
uneven mason
From snoop dog to heavy death metal
My kid got into my account, went from Avatar to kpop suddenly
dusky canopy
I gave mine their own for that reason haha
uneven mason
Oh they have their own, just logged into mine on the sounddeck in the basement and switched my songs while I was driving
dusky canopy
LOL did you high give them for the smooth troll
daring marlin
Bump all my keys to edm or kpop idgaf
dusky canopy
Pre raid hype apparently
Thanks wife
Then one of mine comes on right after that lmao
mighty valley
Does intervene work on marked for butchery on BH first boss? I got a lil confuse...
i haven't tested it but intervene does require you to stay real close to the target the whole time, that could be a problem
oak ivy
i haven't tested it but intervene does require you to stay real close to the tar...
yea i had to drill it into their heads cuz we were in a vc "Listen i'm a prot warrior i don't get to do a lot of group utility sit fucking still so i can help you"
next burrow
the spinning wolf has a cleave to face away no? risk cleaving the rest if u intervene? i let them handle the butchery
cinder nova
inb4 people start talking about tool
daring marlin
mudvayne
crude notch
this chat is only for people that have high io (over 800) please refrain from speaking otherwise, thank you
mighty valley
heroic dungeon or higher gamers ONLY
torn gulch
only mythic minus players allowed
lusty grotto
yes? this is dog
torn gulch
i remember the time when keystones used to turn grey junk
dusky canopy
Bring that back
waxen cradle
Hey guys the best way to get the enchanted wyrms crests is end of M+ chests when you time a key yeah ?
dusky canopy
Through dungeons or heroic raid
torn gulch
enchanted are crafted
waxen cradle
basically the ones that allow you to push gear to 437 or 447
lusty grotto
wyrms are 11 to 15 key levels
daring marlin
this chat is only for people that have high io (over 800) please refrain from sp...
Orange class detected. Opinion rejected.
lusty grotto
or heroic raid
torn gulch
normal ones you get from raid and m+
lusty grotto
enchanted are crafted from those
waxen cradle
the enchanted is what you need to get gear to 447 yeah ?
lusty grotto
yes
waxen cradle
ok thanks
lusty grotto
you need 4 wyrm crests and/or aspect crests per 1 enchanted
that's 60 fragments each
and you need to put up a work order for those
torn gulch
3 wrym
lusty grotto
sorry yes
torn gulch
3 wyrm
lusty grotto
4 aspects, 3 wyrms
waxen cradle
what is the going tip amount for it 30 to 40 k ?
dusky canopy
Abc
waxen cradle
or well maybe 50k
torn gulch
holy
dusky canopy
123
daring marlin
People do it free
torn gulch
no way wtf
lusty grotto
i do it for free
torn gulch
1k
lusty grotto
its a super easy craft
dusky canopy
Bout 350
torn gulch
and your own mats
waxen cradle
ah ok I figured people would price gouge
dusky canopy
They did first week
lusty grotto
for that? hell no
dusky canopy
Canāt anymore
lusty grotto
yeah everyone has the recipe
torn gulch
Mr Destructoid
dusky canopy
Do tell S
torn gulch
imagine timing keys
dusky canopy
torn gulch
I bought a 9kg watermelon I am pissing my life away
sick sentinel
spite ful with incorp seems rough
sick sentinel
my dps kept dying to spitefu ls
dusky canopy
spite ful with incorp seems rough
Itās fine yogi just chain pull the whole dungeon and let healer cry
Per usual
south patrol
What should my crafted items be ? Iām sure thereās loads of people asking this question lol
torn gulch
Itās fine yogi just chain pull the whole dungeon and let healer cry
DEJA VU/ I'VE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE!
waxen cradle
Coming back from a long break due to a lot of real life sad that happened, what is your guys suggested path to gearing back up ?
torn gulch
playing the game?
lusty grotto
are we taking void slash down to the void on heroic or just yolo mit it like normal? or what are we doing
i might as well get a kill this week
dusky canopy
Uh probably buy crafted gear, jump straight into +11s and normal/heroic raid for tier
torn gulch
to get into M+ fast
Did you play DF at all?
crafted gear still requires him to get some whelpling crests
torn gulch
he just came back
quiet minnow
you can get 411 gear from random heroics
torn gulch
did youa ctually read?
dusky canopy
Bruh you can just craft straight to the higher tier
It doesnāt matter if he just came back
torn gulch
with what gear he gets the wyrm crests?
quiet minnow
dont you need whelp crest for that
torn gulch
no?
quiet minnow
dont think you can just buy it
torn gulch
you get a full set of 408 crafted with rings necks etc
dusky canopy
Correct
torn gulch
with enchanted whelpling
lusty grotto
modern brook
Coming back from a long break due to a lot of real life sad that happened, what ...
If you're sub 415 there's a bunch of catch up mechanics that get you there pretty free. From there you should be able to do m+ to get the gear / frags you need for crafts
quiet minnow
you get a full set of 408 crafted with rings necks etc
i just dont think that it is 408 crafted
quiet minnow
mine is not?
torn gulch
i have multiple alts dressed like that
dusky canopy
torn gulch
with whelpling crests
torn gulch
you don;t upgrade it
torn gulch
whelpling crests you get from wq
quiet minnow
thats a lot of whelp crest
torn gulch
you need 1
lusty grotto
crafted is 424 with spark only
torn gulch
[er item
lusty grotto
no crests needed
dusky canopy
Thank you nim
lusty grotto
baseline without spark that's another issue
torn gulch
you can get full set 408
dusky canopy
Jesus
crude notch
You need whelplings
torn gulch
with shelpling crests
crude notch
And you'll have 408
torn gulch
you get full set
i can get full set ring weapon neck
408 with whelpling crests
you get 415 from 5 heroics
normal raid gear from 5 timewalking
gear from fyrakk assaults
gear from researchers under fire
etc
that is your started gear
crude notch
If you struggling to gear right now you're just not doing content
It's the most linear it's ever been
torn gulch
no m+ at all
next burrow
Shield >shield>shield
which shield any shield?
crude notch
Molten Defender
dusky canopy
Primal molten defender
torn gulch
you can geat a char to 415 without even stepping in m+
dusky canopy
I put shadowflame on mine first week
torn gulch
you play a little bit at start get 415 with world gear then smash m+ and raid
i got weapon upgraded to 424 from wq
with some drake crests from world content
gear is everywhere
crude notch
We get it chief
next burrow
Molten Defender
thank you
next burrow
Primal molten defender
thank u
crude notch
Thanks
timber coral
Anyone else auto declined from keys like wtf... I finally got in a group and then they invited a pally and kicked me LOL
next burrow
Anyone else auto declined from keys like wtf... I finally got in a group and the...
yes
uncut thunder
Wowhead guide lists frostfire belt as top for embellishment. Does this assume you have the rings? If yo donāt is it still top tier or go for two show patches?
crude notch
Move on go next it is what it is
crude notch
Wowhead guide lists frostfire belt as top for embellishment. Does this assume yo...
Ffb is good even without rings
uncut thunder
Ffb is good even without rings
Thanks
dusky canopy
Anyone else auto declined from keys like wtf... I finally got in a group and the...
You can thank the tier list garbage for that
It happens at all levels too it doesnāt go away
Mostly in the middle to high end though
shell garnet
hi guys, as a beginning prot warrior which stance should i stick to?
dusky canopy
Battle
shell garnet
won't this cause me to take too much damage?
dusky canopy
In low level content especially you will never die because you were not in d stance
olive bay
Nope, you really only go into defensive stance during bursts
Like, during the breath in HoI? DStance that shit
dusky canopy
Or walk out of it
olive bay
Yeah the ice breath shit from the dragons between frog boi and ice girl
olive bay
So do you have the group stay on the side and you just move back to out range it?
dusky canopy
I usually do what Iām going to do if people stand by me itās their problem
warm plinth
Can you actually backstep it? Like actual S key? I would think you'd have to actually strafe/run away
dusky canopy
I actually strafe it yeah
shell garnet
are there any good auras for managing stances?
warm plinth
A lot of people say you can "backstep" things in here when you actually can't, so it's important to clarify.
dusky canopy
Fair enough yes you are correct
modern brook
are there any good auras for managing stances?
Pins
olive bay
Yes but it still follows you, right?
dusky canopy
are there any good auras for managing stances?
There is the default stance bar otherwise, wago.io has loads of WAs
olive bay
So you can't just turn it into your group
jagged pier
Can you actually backstep it? Like actual S key? I would think you'd have to a...
unironically best defensive in the game right now
dusky canopy
LOL
limpid anchor
A lot of people say you can "backstep" things in here when you actually can't, s...
I think s key is enough, but I Strafe just to be sure as it can onetap :>
dusky canopy
Pins has a macro for 1 button swapping stances
shell garnet
i'll make my own aura to just remind me that im in defensive stance currently as I understand most of the time i want to be in battle
warm plinth
unironically best defensive in the game right now
Yeah honestly it's getting out of hand lol.
dusky canopy
If you want a WA to show what stance youāre in that is not in the pins
marsh stone
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
lusty grotto
are we taking void slash down to the void on heroic or just yolo mit it like normal? or what are we doing
sick sentinel
trying to get information on it to be 100% clear, but the bridge pack, i've asked about this like, 5 times, i don't hink i have a clear answer on it
dusky canopy
Take it down
sick sentinel
used to be, you have to look, i think both are the same now
lusty grotto
any data on how hard it hits on heroic with mits?
limpid anchor
are we taking void slash down to the void on heroic or just yolo mit it like nor...
P3 go down
But even if you donāt, it only does like 70% of the grps hp
dusky canopy
trying to get information on it to be 100% clear, but the bridge pack, i've aske...
What yogi?
limpid anchor
Can just use a heal cd for it
lusty grotto
hmm thats quite an increase from normal
sick sentinel
What yogi?
start of under rot
dusky canopy
What did you ask?
sick sentinel
used to be, you have to go look, i think its not that any more
dusky canopy
I missed it apparently
marsh stone
I still look and take the smaller side
dusky canopy
Ohhhhhh youāre used to bfa UNDR
sick sentinel
right
dusky canopy
Yeah they are static iirc
limpid anchor
Isnt it the same
cinder nova
Go right mate
dusky canopy
I always go right too yeah lol
sick sentinel
okay, so, then, you'd wanna go maggot + matron at start, then main center pack
then left
cuz then you avoid 2 packs of ticks
limpid anchor
okay, so, then, you'd wanna go maggot + matron at start, then main center pack
No you take maggot matron and Center together
You donāt kill ticks either way
sick sentinel
matron slaps
sick sentinel
she
limpid anchor
Dodge it and itās 0 dmg
sick sentinel
but, ya
latent steppe
according to sims i've managed my gear up and customized its gems-enchants. but my versa fell from %23 to %8
sick sentinel
can it be blocked or spell blocked or reflected?
warm plinth
according to sims i've managed my gear up and customized its gems-enchants. but ...
It doesn't matter
limpid anchor
What
latent steppe
according to sims i've managed my gear up and customized its gems-enchants. but ...
can this be a punishment for +22's
limpid anchor
The frontal?
shell garnet
I am reading the pins and "Is the ring good?" - this refers to the ring from Zskera Vaults?
latent steppe
yea
lusty grotto
onyx ammulet? yes vault ring
limpid anchor
But you need 30%
limpid anchor
Ofc
warm plinth
He's memeing
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
hamyngway you beatiful son of a bitch
latent steppe
funny isnt it
lusty grotto
no
latent steppe
funnier
sick sentinel
i wonder what that bonus hard stops at
sick sentinel
If i can get a haster mastery set going this season i might try that out
warm plinth
If you put half the effort into doing higher keys that you do into farming pointless shit, you'd be the top warrior in the world.
lusty grotto
you do you yogi, as you always have
prisma crane
we had a build like that in legion Yogi
but only good then because crit block was stronger
and even then it was more of a meme than anything else
lusty grotto
yeah
prisma crane
had 100% mastery builds, was fun, but literally couldnt die on argus
olive bay
If you put half the effort into doing higher keys that you do into farming point...
this sums up my entire existence holy shit
dusky canopy
@warm plinth rude
warm plinth
what
