protection

[warm plinth]

But yeah with that selection you can throw dreadplates in the trash

[latent steppe]

i dont think abvil sucks brother

[warm plinth]

ANvil is one of our best ST trinkets

[latent steppe]

idk where you read that but anvil is giga

i'll be using anvil + omino

[limpid anchor]

It is not, what

No aoe value at all, and if you can’t keep your stacks up throughout the whole dungeon it’s useless

[jagged pier]

Then get better at pulling

It does around 3-5% its not bad in anyway for dungeons

And its great in ST

And in dungeons u generally dont wait before a boss so your going into them with 5 stacks

So its huge value

[limpid anchor]

K now pug

Where people die to some shitty trash

[toxic pewter]

are you guys running eggnog ring in m+

[real fossil]

anvil is pretty neat for tyrannical weeks, but if the pacing is too much for your healer it can cause friction

[warm plinth]

I mean, we also do ST in raid o_O

[limpid anchor]

It’s about m+ not raid

[real fossil]

12 seconds should be more than enough time between packs, unless your healer is slow or doesn't drink effectively

[warm plinth]

I specifically said "anvil is one of our best ST trinkets" and you said it's not

which is objectively false.

[limpid anchor]

Idk dude did I reply to you or to the guy that pinged me?

[toxic pewter]

yah I am wearing mine too

[warm plinth]

I mean, we both basically said the same thing, just in a different way.

"anvil is one of our best ST trinkets"
"anvil is giga" same difference

[limpid anchor]

?

If someone asks about m+, and then says „it’s giga“ it’s m+ and not for st, is it

Like

[warm plinth]

Who tf is Gnash

Fair point Ham

[limpid anchor]

If you can’t read and think everything is about you idk

[warm plinth]

Don't gotta make it personal dude lol

[limpid anchor]

Ofc

[warm plinth]

You are far from the first person to call me that, don't worry

[toxic pewter]

i think we can all agree we all want a anvil

me want

or mark too

yeah me want mark

but 37 runs so far no mark for me

lmao ya

many die to the hands

their hands arent quick enough to escape the hands

[dusky canopy]

What in the nerd rage is going on in here

Somebody trying to say Nome is wrong about anvil sims

Lolololol

[sick sentinel]

how do you get the key on the pirate ship

[dusky canopy]

Click it

[toxic pewter]

kil captain near steering wheel on top deck

[sick sentinel]

dont see it

[toxic pewter]

he will spawn

eventually

go stand near the wheel

he a big kul tiran pirate

[daring marlin]

Anvil sucks

cuz I can't get one!

[warm plinth]

No one saw those fireland loot nerfs coming right? Right?

Also wtf they buffed forgestorm?

[proud patrol]

They buffed forgestorm - man i love that

[daring marlin]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm amazed they buffed pogstorm. Do they even play their own game???

[thin phoenix]

where yall see this

[daring marlin]

wowhead

[warm plinth]

On wowhead

[fast knot]

God bless, I need all the dps I can get when goobers miss their CC on Incorp

[warm plinth]

You should unmute the news channel; they have a wowhead webhook in there

Can see all the new articles shortly after they're posted.

[daring marlin]

hell yeah dude

[thin phoenix]

just in time

[daring marlin]

That's how I see them now

[thin phoenix]

i was already gonna farm pogstorm all day today

[vale escarp]

Smf inc Kappa

[tropic gorge]

Buffing pog storm is..... Stupid

Cool. But I have to ask. Why? In it's current state it's already leaps ahead of the crafted 1h weapon regardless of embellishment used on it

[daring marlin]

People have some hot takes regarding incorp

I love it

[vale escarp]

Maybe Prot palas complained they got no damage?

[real fossil]

pretty neat!

[tropic gorge]

They should push more buttons 😉

[daring marlin]

Only Warriors are complaining about lack of damage atm, pal.

[fast knot]

Hunter makes this affix a joke until they forget Scare Beast is a thing

[vale escarp]

Sure we are, but Nobody cares about our damage

[tropic gorge]

Until the tank gaps them every pull

[real fossil]

ive grouped with like 5 paladins and haven't seen a turn evil yet so idk

[fast knot]

"It's too expensive to talent into"

was the latest excuse

[daring marlin]

It's truly not

[lament shell]

they buffed forgestorm?

[fast knot]

it's like one row down

[vale escarp]

Got a ret pal today without turn evil, and he cried because we wiped with the new affix

[toxic pewter]

lol WE GOT OUT BUFF BOYS

[real fossil]

id imagine its like dropping barbaric training for another stop as fury, which is like not even 1% damage

[daring marlin]

Lazy bitches could pull the point from BoP

Guaranteed they don't use it

[fast knot]

It's just reroller syndrome unfortunately

[daring marlin]

Tell ya right now

[toxic pewter]

repentance is where its at

[daring marlin]

After I'm done with clearing the heroic raid this week I'm spamming keys

I'll have turn evil AND rep

[toxic pewter]

osnap

[vale escarp]

Btw would love to change the affix so our stuns got Like 300% duration while hitting the mobs

[toxic pewter]

that a true gamer right there

[daring marlin]

Cuz I'll fuckin' do it myself

[fast knot]

I still feel like there should be cast delay on an interrupt

but with proper play it's a non-affix

[real fossil]

with proper talenting and play

grabbing the talent is a big IF so far unfortunately

[tropic gorge]

It's about time paladins got some rp back

The holy warriors of light for the last several xpacks haven't had shit to do that the class should have to do. Like turn evil

[sick sentinel]

still on 6/7 campaign

[daring marlin]

kill sark

[sick sentinel]

says raise your renown

[daring marlin]

You gotta kill sark for last campaign chapter

[sick sentinel]

but only one i haven't got max is new one and even thats at 9

o

[craggy pilot]

is there a die security in Brackenhide?

[real fossil]

its such a bummer you can't have both the nelth's lair trinkets on the same loot table

I can't decide which one to target first

[daring marlin]

damage

[real fossil]

I guess mark+anvil would be pretty neat as a combo

[daring marlin]

I'm gonna rock beacon and mark

[sick sentinel]

i would have liked to get anvil from the bag, but whatever

[daring marlin]

no yogi

You want BEACON

[real fossil]

beacon is definitely bigger number, but is anvil the ethical damage?

[daring marlin]

man screw ethical damage

big number spike dopamine

monkey brain feel good

[glass iron]

I need some big boys @steady karma @strong forum or anyone , do we play Brutal Vitality or Fueled by Violence in 21+ keys and up, if so would we play bloodborne to increase healing of FbV

[toxic pewter]

wat is ethical damage

[daring marlin]

non pad

[toxic pewter]

lol beacon can crit for over a mil on the main target

sounds pretty ethical to me

[real fossil]

if there are 5 mobs but 1 has more health, you do key faster to do more priority damage to that one big health mob

[latent steppe]

thought you said it in general

[steady karma]

You should probably play Dance of Death

man idgaf what you play as Prot, just hold fuckin aggro

[daring marlin]

[fast knot]

[warm plinth]

Archimtiros in our prot channel

[daring marlin]

make spear great again

aggro issues gone

[warm plinth]

Archi, how you feel about those incorps eating targets

[daring marlin]

😉

[real fossil]

love your name

[latent steppe]

@warm plinth wasnt mentioning about you there brother

[warm plinth]

Thank you!

[nocturne spindle]

but its 25% more DAMAGE

[warm plinth]

Oh it's cool didn't think you were

[glass iron]

does it not buff free revenges (I'm not meme genuine q)? for Barbaric T

[mighty valley]

it does, but it was still generally a bad idea in s1, especially in single target

had some parselord applications in multitarget situations

[urban bane]

wait is forgestorm buff real

[daring marlin]

yeah, they don't play their own game

[sick sentinel]

you can still reduce a key if you want right

i might just reset all my keys to 11 for a while

[fast knot]

NPC in Valdrakken

[strong forum]

Don't play BB outside of meme content

And I've found that brutal vit is still better

[warm plinth]

You're still better

gottem

[steel mauve]

fuckin gottem

[toxic pewter]

is there a good way to measure brv any way... does it show up in logs at all

I guess compare ip uptime/amount absorbed in similar runs?

[strong forum]

Entirely based on feelycraft

The added 2-4k hps of raw healing isn't doing much when you're getting your ass handed to you

[toxic pewter]

yeah thats true, fbv seems to be a trickle

[strong forum]

Getting 15% absorb leech however can change a bit more, especially given that you have indom and 12%+ actual leech

[toxic pewter]

and the points you made about ip and bleeds even seem strong

[strong forum]

I thought fbv was gonna do more based on the buffs it received, but all it does is take value away from leech indom and external healing

You can only have so many sources of trickle healing until one of them just becomes superfluous

[toxic pewter]

makes sense

[sick sentinel]

how low is low for inviting ppl to pugs

[ionic roost]

Level 69 is too low

[sick sentinel]

i dunno what ilvl is new low for this season to safely invite

[ionic roost]

That's about it

[sick sentinel]

usually i go by ilvl first

i had these guys in a group sign on together

[daring marlin]

You fuck. Why did I laugh at that? 😏

[sick sentinel]

and i thought maybe 405 was low now

ooh, someone got deleted just now

[daring marlin]

400-410 should be ezpz for wyrm level

[sick sentinel]

i got halls of infusion which im afraid of

[latent steppe]

i wouldnt bother that much

+18 bracken. 4set bonus dmg is making me think about it

finished the dg with 75k overall btw

[latent steppe]

its dps is kinda meh eh

[sick sentinel]

i think on the top right is the thing i can clikc as engineer

[latent steppe]

@strong forum earthen smash

[fast knot]

If you go left you get cheat death

[latent steppe]

what makes you so scared btw

[fast knot]

right side is shortcut

[latent steppe]

yea go rside

[sick sentinel]

i don't k now the depths of the dungon

[latent steppe]

frost drakes are the same with cragmaw frontal - 15 yds backsteppo

icecaller's spell reflection

back step spear flurries etc

[latent steppe]

key level btw?

[viscid mirage]

Do you guys have problem recognising spitefull and other affix creature, and not mistaking it for mob that we have to get aggro on? Most cases it’s ez because spitefull spawn at the end when agrro is well established, but sometimes in tight areas or some chain pulls or just some fast paced gameplay like freehold can be, it’s just confusing and nothing annoys me more then seeing this colour of name plate, colour of no aggro. I have tried changing colour of it, in my plater, with no success, I wonder if anyone else have a problem like this or a solution .

[zenith briar]

I've had a plater mod that made explosive nameplates tiny before (or the inverse) so I'd imagine there's something similar for spiteful

[undone verge]

I just pump and end up with aggro so I usually assume the spiteful mob is the red one

[warm plinth]

Same lol

I just assume red = spiteful

[undone verge]

having aggro issues at the end of a pull is usually a bigger problem than figuring out if the spiteful mob is the one

[warm plinth]

yep

[sick sentinel]

breath = ow

[marble cipher]

Just walk away 🤷‍♂️

[dusky canopy]

LOLOLOL never would of thought arch would get pinged up in Prot, this man’s wildin

[sick sentinel]

it was the only death i had in the whole run

everything else went perfect, loads of avoidable death pulls for dps

but we made it

[gloomy hazel]

I didn't see this in the FAQ explicitly, but what abilities/spells do you not bother putting on your bars as prot? Slam? Whirlwind?

[sick sentinel]

yes

never use slam or whirl wind

shield slam and revenge are superior replacement spells in every way

[gloomy hazel]

Any other spells that are not worth using at all or having on bars?

[sick sentinel]

blizzard should do warriors a favor and delete WW and slam from our baseline abilities page is my opinion

like for prot

[toxic pewter]

can take rend off, thunderclap applies rend if you have blood and thunder talent which you most likely will want

[sick sentinel]

under rot 14

it's been a while since i've seen that again......

[warm plinth]

Yogi I need you to stream or record your runs for content

[sick sentinel]

usually what ends up happening when i run under rot is i do this

just, W through trash tackling fear/worm problems head on before they become issue wipe group

the worms still destroy pugs

the audio will be bad again but

[rustic tinsel]

Any tips or suggestions for managing stacks of the bleed on mythic forgotten experiments outside of just clearing every time the debuff drops?

[warm plinth]

Pucker butthole, pray your healers love you

[rustic tinsel]

The dot trucks, especially when boss 2 & 3 are down

[sick sentinel]

frog boss did a ton of dmg to our group

[warm plinth]

I pull all of that except 22 and the defiler in 19

[final mist]

https://i.imgur.com/GdV5U1i.png thanks mr timewalking

[rustic tinsel]

Do you happen to know if curse of weakness, numbing, etc impact how frequently the dot is applied or is this a boss that just ignores melee speed reduction

[nocturne spindle]

what

oh

dungeon

[warm plinth]

I don't know, sorry

[nocturne spindle]

lucky

[rustic tinsel]

[warm plinth]

huge pog

[sick sentinel]

some dude is sitting on his motorcycle outside my apartment unit and it wont start

[warm plinth]

kek

[sick sentinel]

been trying to get ti to go for about 2 minutes now

it just keeps turning but not startin lol

[final mist]

bigly upgrade for Prot, I was rolling around with a fuckin' 408 All-Totem and a 415 Big Toe

[warm plinth]

yogi why you ignore my stream ocmment

[warm plinth]

My ppal got one from vault this week; I was still using a 415 burgeoning seed that I was stuck with literally all of S1 🙃

[sick sentinel]

take it or leave it

[warm plinth]

pog

[sick sentinel]

it got so bad at points i thought about telling them to use an earth ele or use my saviours

i dunno how those work and they are also only rank 2

[final mist]

[gloomy hazel]

👍🏻

[sick sentinel]

i wouldn't expect to see the video on your end for about like 6 hours probably

maybe more depending, just estimation from times i have uplaoded video before

[warm plinth]

That's fine, just post or DM me the link when it's done

[sick sentinel]

like i said, if i go run underrot and there is deaths or even wipe, there is no real confusion for me and i can normally turn it around

[toxic pewter]

u got this yogi

[sick sentinel]

gotta get more veteran items better ones i mean

so i can get better sets of 224 gear

[toxic pewter]

wat u get in ur vault

[polar cloak]

anyone have a macro for def stance to battle stance for prot war

[fresh igloo]

did you check the pins

[polar cloak]

ty

[sick sentinel]

why need macro for dstance, just make it big and hit the button when needed

[polar cloak]

why click them when u can keybind them

[sick sentinel]

i mean like, do you macro and key bind ur speical action button bars too then and dragon flight combat abilities?

for how often you actually need to use dstance it cant be justified to be clicked or a normal keybind?

[warm plinth]

I have special action buttons bound, yes

[sick sentinel]

not me really no

i only really click dstance (battle stance back later) and maybe giga taunt if im really too lazy to hit numpad's + key

• on numpad is for battlerez, heroism, super important spells, bubble i think itr might be too

[dusky canopy]

YO worth! Gz!

[marsh stone]

DOes the new 4P make last stand a more offensive CD? ie push it on CD rather than waiting?

[dusky canopy]

yes

[marsh stone]

figured as much, ta

[pure hare]

Is it me or does Rashok really hurt on a warrior lol

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean

[hallow phoenix]

Spell block or shield wall

Makes it a joke

[dusky canopy]

Ahhhh Quality pugs

[fossil wind]

are you guys able to cancel last stand?

[warm plinth]

No

You wouldn't cancel it even if you could.

[fossil wind]

speak for yourself homie

[round socket]

i just wanna loot a hero piece of gear for chest/boots 😦 441 atm, they just wont drop

[fossil wind]

plenty of pulls in keys where i'd want the aoe cleave over LS

[warm plinth]

So just...use it at the start of the pull? Or the end of the previous pull?

[dusky canopy]

[fossil wind]

if you pop it at start you'd have to hold your other shit to line it up

[warm plinth]

You don't line up CDs anyway...

[fossil wind]

or just have it come out without ur other cd's which is a waste

[warm plinth]

You press them on CD

[fossil wind]

why would you not press your CD's together if you're able to

[warm plinth]

I mean...literally all of them but Avatar and Last Stand overlap naturally.

[fossil wind]

theres plenty of scenarios where you have avatar/demo going into a pull

and you would want the 4p bonus right away

[toxic pewter]

creating cancel last stand macro now

[proper roost]

classic

[fossil wind]

obv the answer is never cancel because they apparently wont let us

[proper roost]

Yeah how dare they

30% buff to your strongest ability

No sir

[fossil wind]

its 15% additive

and in aoe the cleave is way more dmg

[proper roost]

Siri what is 15% + 15%

[fossil wind]

pressing LS does not give you 30% dmg

which is what you implied

[fossil wind]

it gives you 15% on top of the 15% you always get

which is irrelevant to the conversation of cancelling LS

[proper roost]

[uncut thunder]

Looking for a SARKARETH build or some recommendations around talents. Is spell block helpful if so what abilities? Thanks

[thin phoenix]

Check pin comment for blockable spells

[uncut thunder]

Oh wow more then I expected. Worth it?

[thin phoenix]

You should be swapping in and out for some bosses imo

[warm plinth]

Spell block works on the tank buster so yeah

[uncut thunder]

So skimp enduring Def maybe?

[warm plinth]

No, you'd give up instigate

Or punish, though that would be kinda counterproductive lol

[toxic pewter]

i dont always cancel abilities, but when I do, I ensure its last stand so I get that sweet shockwave effect

[elder verge]

Stinky reddit incel nagger doesn't even know how to do math

[uncut thunder]

Any chance you have a link a build having a hard time sorting out what to give up to get SB

[warm plinth]

Oh, in the raid build you probably give up Unnerving Focus for it

Sorry, forgot the raid build doesn't take Instigate this tier anyway

[uncut thunder]

Thanks sir got it with that

[crude notch]

They buffed forgestorm???

[warm plinth]

Yep lol

by 10%

[fresh igloo]

weird that the official patch notes only mention the pvp damage reduction

[warm plinth]

Yeah I thought that was weird too but a friend of mine said the 10% buff is still in the spelldata

[prisma crane]

anyone have spell id for earthen tenacity?

[warm plinth]

410219

sorry thats' the damage portion

Buff is 410218

[prisma crane]

ok ty!

[crude notch]

90210

[daring marlin]

hell yeah bud

14.5 hour work day

now I can game

[warm plinth]

Oh is that all?

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

Gonna be a long one for me as well but not that long

[heady stratus]

Does anyone know what the macro is to use this trinket on allies?

[urban portal]

does that not work?

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure you can use mouseover conditional with a use command (could be wrong). Try changing it to /cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][]Ward of Faceless Ire

god fucking damnit

[heady stratus]

nop

[fresh igloo]

/use should be fine with mouseover

/use [@mouseover] 14 should work for that specific case

[daring marlin]

miss bonus rolls

[mighty valley]

all i remember from bonus rolls is "use bonus roll?" "yes" "money!"

[heady stratus]

nop

[fresh igloo]

i mean it definitely does work, I don't know what's going on in your situation

[heady stratus]

yeah, it should work. I'll check with another pj. Maybe some addon or something is interfering.

[daring marlin]

30-man sark pug

this is gonna be hell isn't it

[warm plinth]

Yes, yes it is

[fringe gust]

Does Spell Block help out with Infused Strikes debuff on Experiments?

[daring marlin]

It's a dot so not really

[warm plinth]

Nope. I believe Sense said that one and Zskarn are basically at the mercy of the healer for pwar

[fringe gust]

I didn't think so, and the spreadsheet that I have with all SR and SB stuff it didn't have it listed. Just double checking.

[restive scroll]

Shall we always try to line up demo shout & Avatar? Depending on rage available they often have quite a bit of delay between them

[graceful cobalt]

hi make it sense to put anvil last stand and Avatar in a macro for Burst?

[sudden sable]

Anvil will prob get most value combo'd with shield charge and avatar if you run battering ram.

[warm plinth]

No, you send CDs on CD

[shrewd cedar]

Should I just macro shield slam to basically everything ?

[restive scroll]

Thanks =)

[graceful cobalt]

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast shield charge
/cast Last Stand
/use Vial of Animated Blood

i mean like this

to get most burst

[ionic fern]

But..their CD's don't line up.

[graceful cobalt]

i got every second charge/Avatar the trinket also

[violet prairie]

should i upgrade my unstable belt or make a boots w/ shadowflame first?

[marble cipher]

Mouseover macro's don't work if you keybind them to one of those mmo mouse buttons in the side. You know the Scimitar or Naga mice.

That might be it?

[hallow phoenix]

Finally 4pc

[hallow phoenix]

Shadowflame does way more damage for me in m+ than unstable

Id grab it before upgrading stinky frostfire belt

[violet prairie]

forsure ty

[heady stratus]

have logitec g203

and yes is bind in m4

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good morning Ghash, how are you?

[warm plinth]

I am pretty sure I live here at work now, but otherwise I am alright.

[ionic fern]

Doesn't sound healthy.

[crude notch]

hello mwahi

hru qt

[ionic fern]

Hello Jordan.

I'm good, how about you?

[warm plinth]

I think the warehouse is just understaffed right now due to call-ins and people on medical leave

And I'm stuck here until they're finished so

[marble cipher]

that'll probably be the reason why it doesn't work. Don't ask me why, but those "extra mouse buttons" don't work with @mousover stuff
workaround is using the clique addon (or so I've been told)

[runic hatch]

Other workaround is to rebind your m4 to any other key on your keyboard, and then it works. It's still the same button but the game doesn't care anymore as it is detected as a keyboard button

[crude notch]

other workaround is play the game the way that our lord and saviour Ion Hozzikostas, aka Watcher, aka Gurgthock intended.

[shrewd cedar]

Is their a way to macro like Thunder Clap and shield slam together? Like if Thunder clap procs shield slam itll just auto cast shield slam or is a c/astsequence the closest im a get to that?

[untold adder]

that wont work

both are on GCD, no bueno

[shrewd cedar]

dang thats what i figured but had to ask

[thin phoenix]

I’m already tired of tyrannical

[jagged pier]

Tyranical is push week

[thin phoenix]

Just tryna farm a pogstorm and 2.4k+ players from last season can’t dodge a charge

[sleek current]

Which charge?

[thin phoenix]

The mammoth in neltharus lmao

[sleek current]

🤦‍♂️

[marble cipher]

It IS a big elephant, cut them some slack!

[thin phoenix]

And all the melee always making bee lines straight into the lava frontal even if they dodge the charge

[marble cipher]

Gotta finish them casts

[thin phoenix]

Double tap on stupid players

[sleek current]

I basically don't do keys unless I can have at least 2 guildies in the group.

[jagged pier]

I just dont do keys

https://tenor.com/view/duck-dance-gif-25202061

[sleek current]

Knowing that my co-tank has Forgestorm has lit a fire under me though. I want it now.

What key level does hero drop at again?

[jagged pier]

17

[thin phoenix]

Guess no point farming it unless it’s nelth 17

[sleek current]

Aye, 17'a are in the realm of "Pay attention but, it's easy enough" for my guild currently. Few of us doing 20+... Not me, I can't be arsed until it's faceroll but, I should be able to get some gamers together.

Thanks Jakey

[thin phoenix]

I just started my warr and I feel so powerless on just 15s already

Feels like I can’t carry hard enough even typing out mechanics to ppl

Especially them ragnaros and azralon players

Lol jk

[sleek current]

You can only Rally Cry once ever 3 minutes mate. 😂

[thin phoenix]

I love the echo of nelth trinket that cocoons people

I had to save this healer on vortex pinnacle every damn pull

Reminds me of old school ranged intervene

[sleek current]

I have Screaming Black Dragonscale and Enduring Dragonplate... I suppose the 1,100 crit from Screaming is nice but, enduring feels bad to play with.

[thin phoenix]

Remember when we used to put spell reflect on people 😂

[sleek current]

Especially after bangers like Decoration and Grieftorch.

I'll say it again! Bring back Vigilance!

[jagged pier]

Just run greif then

I still do

[thin phoenix]

Oh yee that’s what it was called

Vigilance + spam taunt every add lmao

[junior kayak]

Hello!
Im new here and i have a question about crafting. I have crafted sword and sheild onmy prot warrior and i have 1 more embellishment i can craft. I can really find and cant decide what to craft next to put my tempered shadowflame thing on. What do you think is the best piece to craft?

[thin phoenix]

Shouldn’t have crafted weapon imo but it’ll be fine

[hardy snow]

[thin phoenix]

I did shadowflame on a primal shield and frostfire belt

[runic hatch]

I did shadowflame on shield and shadowflame on belt

[junior kayak]

Thanks for the quicks awnsers and i will check the pinned information! 😄

[raw parcel]

So I might be late to the party on this... but seems like a really slow week to get key groups, guessing it's because that new affix is a trainwreck?

[runic hatch]

New affix seems pretty meh

And tyra weeks are generally a pain because some bosses are really hard

[raw parcel]

I'm finding this week harder than the first, and my gear is way better than it was then ><

[junior kayak]

I think the new affixe is bind to one of the mobs when you start a fight, beacuse yesterday in neltharions lair when i played it the affix just dissapered

[runic hatch]

I think it only appears during combat

[junior kayak]

we played with a mage and that made it alot easier

[untold adder]

Hey; what m+ keylevel should i jump in to at ilvl 420? i did +20's last season pretty ez.

[raw parcel]

Had a group (I didn't put it together) with very minimal CC, so ended up just pulling into the next room anytime one of them spawned if we didn't have enough CC available :x

And at 420? Really depends. You might be able to manage 16+, but getting invites will be challenging because people are picky and will tend to invite higher ilvl.

[untold adder]

thx ill give it a try with some lower keys and work my way up to get a feel

[warm plinth]

If combat ends, the incorp will disappear.

[junior kayak]

aah okey that makes more sense 😄

[sleek current]

Warlock can handle it all but, I've found a distinct distaste for my Warrior arse this week with my "awesome" CC.

[runic hatch]

Yeah

[lilac bloom]

i'm having so much problem with heroic sark very difficult.. i'm ilevel 429 at the moment

[untold adder]

whats killing you?

[lilac bloom]

going into swirlys.. when i try to avoid it.. then other tank dies cos i didn't tuant or something

and when i did tuant everyone end up dying then they all had a go at me

[untold adder]

well yea if you get sent to the other realm when you arent supposed to, thats bad. Doesnt matter what your ilvl is

[lilac bloom]

well i try to watch out for that by not touching the swirly

then the other tank also was saying i'm not taunting off his void claws.. which i try to but i end up jumping to his spot.. going out from the big circle.. then everyone died cos of tank bomb etc

i know the transition is making boss go to the middle while they bait the blossom at the mirror. then tanks meant to face boss away from the raid

i'm having issues trying to taunt and also taking care of the adds cos they just go everywhere

i see most ppl have ilvel 435 or so to tank this and dont get killed by it.. is my ilevel 2 low

i'm wondering where i should come back next time when i have higher ilevel and i'm only have 2 piece of tier gear

[untold adder]

you die to machanics done wrong, it sounds like.

[lilac bloom]

i did it ok on normal idont know why .. this is giving me problems

is just that i'm having issues holding aggro

[untold adder]

HC is much harder than normal. You need to execute mechanics along with your co tank

[shrewd cedar]

The push pull phase is such a pain in the ass with tank positioning also, it took me like 20 pulls to get used to it

[lilac bloom]

maybe the other tank ilevel is too high i can't get grab aggro off him

is there a weakaura that tells u that the other tank has void claws.. because i can't see it on my weakaura when i download the co tank for aberus

i just rely on looking at the spell cast

but at the same time trying not step on stuff and hitting adds

[shrewd cedar]

You can try dropping your spell effects setting to “necessary” or w.e it’s called . It’s helped me on fights needing to see ground effects clearly

[coral reef]

put cotank on focus always and you cna see his debufs...

[lilac bloom]

thx i will have to try that

going to take a look at more of pov on prot war

for heroic.. :(

[ember tangle]

In big wigs you can set a timer for the tank hit, so you are reminded to taunt

Or you can get the cotank weakaura

If you can put less attention to that, then you can put more attention into dodging shit

[thorny stone]

https://wago.io/dfcotank2

[sleek current]

If you're losing aggro at 429 you aren't pressing Shield Slam enough. I can tell you that.

Like others have said, I echo setting the other tank as focus target and using Aberrus Co-Tank Weakaura.

[remote anchor]

dbm does that

or big wigs i guess

[cerulean tusk]

You can also see it on the basic raidframes

[edgy rampart]

Is the shadowflame patch good for m+ or purely ST?

[runic hatch]

Mostly ST I'd say

[tropic gorge]

Got my first golden parse last night

[runic hatch]

But even in M+ it's 5+% of my DPS

[tropic gorge]

The assault boss fight seems easy to parse

[ionic fern]

What.

That's horrible to parse.

Unless your whole raid team actively ignores adds.

And you get to pad.

[edgy rampart]

Because i have a 441 sheild from raid and was gunna make ff belt at 447 next week. Prot is my OS so im tryin to see how i can spend . If i should get 447 sheild or 447 ff belt

My main goal is m+ due to irl conflictions on raid

[ionic fern]

Shadowflame is still good.

[edgy rampart]

So shadowflame patch + allied wrist wouldnt be a bad option? Remember fury MS so i already crafted 2 pieces for fury

Figured since im 440 fury ilvl i can work on prot stuff

Also im new to prot warr and tankin higher keys is my goal. So im still a baby tank 🤣

[ionic fern]

Shadowflame + Frostfire.

That's what the "general" go-to is.

If you only wanna craft one and use w/e you have as the second one, then Shadowflame.

[edgy rampart]

Gotcha. Yeah im just tryin to see if shadowflame is worth it over ff belt first or ff belt first then wait for next flame and make patch sheild

[ionic fern]

They are roughly equal.

You won't go wrong with either.

[edgy rampart]

Thank you thank you ❤️

And if i read correctly, i basically send last stand on CD since shield slam lowers the CD on it?

[marble cipher]

with tier

without, no 😉

(well, you can still send it on cd without tier+bolster, but, that's .... not really beneficial lol)

[edgy rampart]

Im 4p. So thats a yea then. Thank you ❤️

[jagged pier]

There is a way, u send everyone far to push the boss and u stay close to pad

[edgy rampart]

All depends on how fast you can phase him as well. If tanks tank boss on mystic when he hops over, just cleave off boss

[tropic gorge]

I don't think I was padding. Just doing my job controlling adds and boss leaps. Scored a 95

[vale escarp]

Tbh got Beacon and its an easy way to pull Aggro from the other tank

[tropic gorge]

Pretty pleased with myself, even tho that encounter seems easy for me to parse high scores

[craggy pilot]

when do people usually bloodlust on Sarkareth?

[tropic gorge]

Tonight I'm going to push my shield as high as I can. Finally got a spark last night

[ember tangle]

My side usually has a ret, a ww monk, fury warrior and an enhance shaman. The adds just get blasted into oblivion

[edgy rampart]

P3

[craggy pilot]

👌

[hardy snow]

parses on assault are most meaningless in this tier

[latent steppe]

time to test anvil with dargrul

this was from 16+ uldaman and ominous + dargrul did pretty awesome

finished 64.6k

did arond 42k ish on bosses

i'll compare anvil + dargrul with that

[edgy rampart]

You runnin double patch?

Or whats your embellish?

[pulsar marsh]

how does one handle the chomp from basilisk in ulda

[cerulean tusk]

I block it

[pulsar marsh]

spellblock??

[edgy rampart]

Stun, fear, or RUN haha jk

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO31Z0hL_Ic

[ionic fern]

If only i had any say in raid positioning/padding topics.

[sick sentinel]

that video is unlisted

i figured i'd share since someone asked for stream

audio is scuffed until 13-ish minutes

[graceful kite]

do charms from the event work in raid and m+?

[solid sun]

Can't find a shield to match it 😦

[latent steppe]

double patch of shadowflame

[latent steppe]

i also have the same issue with that haha

[runic hatch]

The set in HC is pretty cool looking ngl

[latent steppe]

this one is from halls of infusion +18, and i've used dargrul + anvil. the one that i quoted is ominous + dargrul

[craggy pilot]

can anyone explain how the Pillar bait works in Sarkareth?

[runic hatch]

Anvil seems quite ok

I guess it's better for tyra

[craggy pilot]

Roiling shadowflame 6.3% wtf 😄

[latent steppe]

this was the Halls of infusion 3rd boss, reached 5x anvil stacks on pre-pull trash fight

[craggy pilot]

is that with 2 of them?

[latent steppe]

Yeah, i've crafted it on boots and legs. 447-437

3rd boss details

it feels like every shield slam i used counted as x2

since this week is tyrannical i believe dargrul + anvil can be a good call? dargrul is good for both packs and bosses

[latent steppe]

during dummy phase i was around 63k on single target. once we ran back to ice cubes for avoiding avalanche damage boiled down

[jagged pier]

Same same

[latent steppe]

perhaps ominous with haste buff + anvil might be more ST pumper

[cursive jacinth]

Hello all. Is there any Tier pieces we should be avoiding? I already have a hands (I do not raid) and I have a KSM token. Trying to figure out what to use it on

[knotty stump]

Legs don't have haste

Not saying you should avoid them, but it's something to think about

[cursive jacinth]

Thank you

[oak girder]

I checked logs and it looks like attack speed reductions work on forgotten experiments. And apparently it stacks, so if you have both lock and a rogue, they can use curse of weakness + numbing poison and the swingtime goes from around 1.5 to like 2.1.
No clue about the dk attack speed reduction tho, don't think any dk plays with it

[tropic gorge]

Man I'm loving having ITF in both raid and m+ builds.
So. Many. Ss. Resets
I love when it resets multiple times in a row

[olive bay]

Correct, curse and poison have always stacked

[cunning oar]

Sorry, what's ITF? I don't know the acronyms.

[tropic gorge]

In to the fray

Haste boost that stacks 5 times

[tropic gorge]

I'm gonna do this on our next clear against them

[olive bay]

If you have 2 rogues you should always be using atrophic + MN poison

[tropic gorge]

We have 0 rog in our roster atm

We also have 0 dk. Both make me sad. I like having a dps dk in raids. They bring some good utility and often don't require much from healers

[olive bay]

Do you raid tues/thurs?

I need a non Tues/Thurs guild for my roue

[tropic gorge]

My group runs wed/mon

[cunning oar]

Ooh nice! I think I've been running Heavy Repercussions for the SB extension and rage generation. Is it worth switchgin?

[tropic gorge]

Ymmv. I haven't noticed a y issues keeping sb up without hr

[cunning oar]

Of course. Might be worth trying, though, especially for M+

[oak girder]

Do you know if insidious chill from DK stacks up the attack speed reduction even higher?

[olive bay]

Probably? I just know that the rogues have been talking about stacking MN and curse since Sludgefist

Depending on the boss, Atrophic does less damage mitigation overall than mind numbing does

[wintry mirage]

hey everyone , after how much haste should i start stack versa or the other stats?

[final mist]

There's no (feasibly reachable) point where you specifically stop gunning for haste and swap to other stats

[marble cipher]

I "thought" that we kinda stopped actively going for it when you got 40% haste pre-buffs, so purely from stats.
Then again, I think I read here that even that "breakpoint" isn't much to be worried about

I'm at 50% now (with ITF active), and it feels very nice 🤣

[sick sentinel]

after 40% it becomes less better for us

but that margin is small anyway, so you still get it if it doesn't gimp you (haste)

[cunning oar]

Is anyone running Show of Force for M+

The Revenge bonus dmg plus the increased clap dmg seems like it'd be good for all the mob pulls.

esp. since Sudden Death is just single target and doesn't provide any other benefit, it seems.

[toxic pewter]

In m+ ya I definitely run show of force

[cunning oar]

I'm finally comfortable enough in the class that I feel like I wanna tweak my spec a bit to be the most efficient for M+ (I don't raid, sadly).

[sick sentinel]

the red circled ones are prot would generally not agree with me

[toxic pewter]

Sounds good there’s a build in the pins that is pretty solid for m+ I mostly run it

[cunning oar]

Spell block is useful, though, I thought.

I never use Int. shout because I don't want mobs running into other packs.

[sick sentinel]

but thats pretty close to best mythic + build you can get, (this is with 2pc season 1. 1 pc season 2)

[sick sentinel]

finally, someone who speaks my language

[cunning oar]

lol! I mean, if you've got the space for them to run, sure, but then that separates them from AoE/Cleave dmg, and any dmg is likely to break the fear anyways, right?

[tropic gorge]

I use int shout a ton

[toxic pewter]

One of prot warr’s greatest strengths in m+ is our various ways to stop mobs from casting. interrupting shout’s value is in stopping casts the fear is effectively broken by damage very easily and quickly before they are able to run

[tropic gorge]

Hitting it then hitting tc will break it. I usually only use it as an interrupt

Occasionally to have a dmg break for a moment.

With pummel, storm bolt, Shockwave and non fear immune enemies you can lock a caster up pretty well

And since I'm a glorious dwarf I don't have the elf aoe silence (do blood elves still have the aoe silence racial?)

[toxic pewter]

Nah it’s an aoe purge now

[sick sentinel]

never ever liked blood elf besides it gives some casting resource

[dusky canopy]

Int shout is basically a aoe stop the mobs won’t run off and aggro things because theirs so much aoe happening the fear breaks instantly

[tropic gorge]

Brew when did you get a special color name?!

[dusky canopy]

If you are pugging

You should absolutely run int, storm bolt, and shockwave

[uneven mason]

Except when that one mob does

[tropic gorge]

I pug basically everything. So I never count on others to do anything like interrupt etc

[tropic gorge]

I always go in with the mindset that I'll have to do almost everything. It's nice when I don't

[toxic pewter]

Lol… kind of wild how much of an issue people want to make out of the fear

Been pugging for almost 2 decades

And it’s never been an issue

[tropic gorge]

I've yet to have anyone qq about my use of fear

[wintry mirage]

guys in the firelands timewalking are something for us Prot warriors?

[dusky canopy]

I decided to server boost since I like it here, nothing that special

[tropic gorge]

But I've also yet to have a mob get feared into packs this season.
In rlp I had a few fears pull extra

[toxic pewter]

I got a shield transmog and I guess that crit trinket seems cool

But they did nerf it a bit yesterday

[tropic gorge]

Is EU time walking a different xpack from na?

[toxic pewter]

Prob same cata firelands

[dusky canopy]

Literally doesn’t happen unless people aren’t playing the game lol

A single TC for example will break all the fears

Like it’s pretty irrelevant

[rustic tinsel]

Yeah, we had our rogue switch to numbing and had curses up all night (previous night we had neither), makes a big difference. Appreciate you looking

[toxic pewter]

I actually feel the same way about other players.. they can run into mobs and aggro them. Maybe I should just do dungeons alone

[tropic gorge]

If any aoe or cleave is going out and you're not talented Into the etake more dmg before breaking talent. Fear will insta break

[final mist]

Honestly when I'm pugging I already feel pretty alone

[tropic gorge]

Like every time. You can count on it vreaki quick

[toxic pewter]

Same

[tropic gorge]

Ah you get used to solo pugging

Usually within the first few pulls you can tell if the group was well put together.

[dusky canopy]

Tbh like if you take your time and invite players with similar progress as you you will find a pretty high success rate even solo pugging

Like if everyone has equal or higher progress

[tropic gorge]

I always take my time forming up my keys

[dusky canopy]

“Most of the time” you’ll succeed

[tropic gorge]

Since I'm the tank, and the hardest roll to fill I can be as picky as I want

And if a dps is in a rush and leaves. Oh well. There are plenty more waiting

[dusky canopy]

If you’ve timed let’s say randomly, 40 20s and you fill the group with 4 players who have never timed one yet this season.. what do you expect to happen lol?

Pugging sucks don’t get me wrong but you can try to make the best of it by using some logic

[tropic gorge]

I have a few mindsets when forming.
Full gate keeper where I'll only invite people close to my ilvl and io/completed timed runs score.
And helpful mode where I'll invite lower io and ilvl players to try to get people raiting

[dusky canopy]

Like this week as another example, are you going to fill the group with players who don’t have anything in there toolkit to handle the incorporeal properly? No that would just lead to failure

[tropic gorge]

Hunters galore

[dusky canopy]

It’s kinda beans that the system we have isolates certain specs from week to week but that’s what blizzards giving us so you just make the best of it

[tropic gorge]

Mages are rare right now

I don't see very many enter Into queue when I'm running keys

[dusky canopy]

Arcane freaking owns too so it’s wild to me that they’re so rare

Arcane can literally nuke every two minutes

Like insane nuclear bomb power

[tropic gorge]

I started the xpack as an arcane mage. About a month in I shelved her and moved to tanking full time.
It was impossible to get m+ invites. I'd spend over an hour trying to queue and often ran out of play time for the day and all I did was try to run stuff

[dusky canopy]

Yeah gotta love tier lists

The average wow player worships that shit

They think the game is impossible with specs not in a or s

[cunning oar]

Yeah, that's really unfortunate.

It's bad in M+, but it's particularly bad for those that want to do rated battlegrounds.

[dusky canopy]

Mean while you get survival hunters and arcane mages or feral druids even doing 150k over all lmao

[cunning oar]

I'll take a good player in a trash spec over a trash player in a good spec any day.

Even beyond that -- I'll just take a good person any day.

[dusky canopy]

For example

20 FH

Lmao

[cunning oar]

lol

[marble cipher]

Are the Incorporeal mobs immune to dmg, or can dmg break the hard cc you put on them?

[dusky canopy]

Some abilities are bugged and can break cc

[marble cipher]

meh

[dusky canopy]

But they are supposed to be immune yes

The two I know of are hunter razor fragments and boomkins twin moons talent

Jakeys screenshot from yesterday talking about it

[earnest canyon]

Does anyone know the duration of bloodmallet st sim?

[strong forum]

Standard 5min no?

[earnest canyon]

or maybe the section where you can look that up there

[marble cipher]

Right, but stuff like thunderclap and roar don't break it, I'm at least happy about that haha

[dusky canopy]

Hi Nome

[strong forum]

Sup

[dusky canopy]

I pretty much just formed a habit of pulling the mobs away from them, maybe I just got lucky a few times but the groups I ran yesterday had no problem with them at all

@marble cipher

[toxic pewter]

kinda think they should buff rallying cry in 5 man content sort of like how they buffed certain healing cooldowns in 5 man content. like give everyone 30% temporary health or something

just double it

[dusky canopy]

I want bloodlust

[toxic pewter]

This patch just really showing our group utility is lacking more than ever at least perceived that way

I still think our stops are so strong

[dusky canopy]

There’s not much incentive to bring warrior to high keys but lust would add some incentive

[toxic pewter]

yeah I mean lust would be cool I guess but even something more consistent or unique would be nice

[earnest canyon]

Is it worth bringing anvil in m+ if I cant maintain stacks consistently?

[dusky canopy]

I agree stops are strong we have 4 ways to control a mob if needed

[toxic pewter]

our stops are our greatest strength

[dusky canopy]

If the only thing holding you back is maintaining stacks just use it and practice maintaining stacks

It’s pretty good

Unless you have better options

[cunning oar]

What is anvil?

[dusky canopy]

Trinket

Raid

[cunning oar]

Ahhh -- I can't raid, so that makes sense that I don't know what it is, lol.

[dusky canopy]

You can totally raid

This tier is pug friendly

Very pug friendly

[earnest canyon]

But what are those better options?
aside from beacon
Anvil sims top2-top3 in ST
but in a key I will probably drop stacks a lot
trying to figure out is it worth still

[toxic pewter]

can maybe pull one from that weekly quest to do 5 heroic dungeons.. at least I think it still can give raid loot

[cunning oar]

Hmm... okay then. Is it advisable to learn the fights in LFR before trying to PuG normal?

[dusky canopy]

stacks last for 15 seconds so you can totally maintain them if you manage a good pace

[dusky canopy]

Skip lfr from a learning perspective you can literally auto attack and alt tab in lfr

I like to read about the fight on “mythic trap”

And then just throw myself at it and learn

[cunning oar]

Okay thanks. I'll take a look.

[dusky canopy]

It’ll seem like a load of information you’re mostly only concerned about tank things and what can get you or your group killed

[toxic pewter]

try find a raid in raid finder that is open to new raiders perhaps.. can ask questions in there and stuff. like dont apply to AOTC only raids and crap like that

[dusky canopy]

Like healer dispels?? can’t be asked to learn that LOL

[tropic gorge]

I try to avoid lfr at all costs

[sick sentinel]

california is banning skittles

[tropic gorge]

I'll help friends if they want something there for some reason because tank queues are the best queues. But damn I don't like lfr

I think a better use of time would be pugging normal, rather than lfr

[uneven mason]

I haven't wiped in LFR on this new raid

Legit tanks can carry the crap out of the content

It's great for the goodie bags

[hardy snow]

is uldaman's neck the only one with good haste in current season?

[dusky canopy]

I think there’s two

[toxic pewter]

yeah I still think lfr is worth doing for possible tier/other loot pieces if needed

[dusky canopy]

One has mastery one has Vers if I remember correctly

Don’t quote me on that

That’s why I’m doing crafted neck though next week

I mean maybe I shouldnt since I have a high Crit/Vers neck with avoidance

But like

I want more haste

[sick sentinel]

same i never wiped to any raid boss this season expansion i mean Kappa

cuz, i never did any raid bosses, only did like 3 i think maybe on s1 raid

[near steppe]

Friends im thinking about an alt tank to play chill keys and stuff. What is also funny beyond brown class?

[acoustic oasis]

So....haste should be gunned for til 30%? Or til 40?

[hardy snow]

40

[acoustic oasis]

Why the hell did i think 30%

And this 40% is before the talent?

[dusky canopy]

Yes 7.1k before buffs

You basically can’t have enough haste

You want some on every item

Ideally

[acoustic oasis]

Jesus okay

[uneven mason]

Haste never falls behind until you cap the GCD iirc

But don't sacrifice ilvl for haste

[tropic gorge]

Haste crit or crit haste is still my goto. I could use some more mastery tho

I'm not gonna remove crit/haste from my crafted shield when I boost it this afternoon

[crude notch]

"One has mastery one has Vers if I remember correctly (edited)" - @dusky canopy

[tropic gorge]

I kinda wish crit block scaled better with adding stats

[dusky canopy]

[crude notch]

it does... with mastery 🙂

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[near steppe]

Crit gang

[dusky canopy]

Crit gang

[left basalt]

CRIT GANG

[crude notch]

GONK GANG

[zenith ice]

Do you gamers find you need external dmg reductions on Rashok tank swap?

Like shield wall got me once

But can still be v spooky even with last stand+shieldblock+ignorepain

[restive scroll]

In HC, I don't need anything. I assume you're talking mythic?

[zenith ice]

Wish I was

Just found myself getting hard clapped at 432 ilvl

On heroic

[dusky canopy]

I felt fine on heroic rashok just use wall wheneve it’s up for the tank buster and when it’s not use dstance

You can build your ip before the hits too for some mitigation

[sick sentinel]

i got a feeling imma get clapped in this 14 ur some how

[dusky canopy]

No way yogi you got it

UNDR is cake

[sick sentinel]

something will go wrong, but i will try

[dusky canopy]

Don’t take too many Shrooms at once

Nothing else there is deadly

[quiet minnow]

now that i got 4pc just want to make sure i'm understanding best use for last stand here-- we're using it as a buffer for when sb down and sb buff not up, but also offensively more or less on cd to make use of 4pc right?

since it seems like pretty big damage up to use it offensively

[dusky canopy]

Use LS on cooldown

[sick sentinel]

pulling 2 worms at once or not stunning maggot puke or dispelling 10 second diseas stuns are all also death sentances for that key,

the totem too

[dusky canopy]

Use shield block charges accordingly to maintain block uptime

[sick sentinel]

those totems fuck

did they equalize the bridge packs

[dusky canopy]

Honestly maggot just walk out of it if needed

[sick sentinel]

so you dont have to check left or right, it looks like they reworked that

[modern brook]

just dont do those things then :^)

[dusky canopy]

Hi bull

[modern brook]

:peepowave::peepohi:

there we go

[dusky canopy]

Eventually

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO31Z0hL_Ic

[hard pewter]

Is forgestorm even worth as mace nowadays?

[sick sentinel]

+12 halls

[restive scroll]

I was doing it with 415 or something.
Do you use reflect and keep shield up?

[dusky canopy]

It was like 6% ahead of all other options before the 10% buff, roughly speaking

So yeah it’s good

[modern brook]

forgesword owns

[dusky canopy]

Pogsord

[modern brook]

i ll watch when im on lunch

[dusky canopy]

[hard pewter]

Oke. thanks :3

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-2/5039217-12-halls-of-infusion

this is the key in question

someone said go stream, so i uploaded the most recent thing i had run

[sick sentinel]

audio scuffed till 13 minutes in, stream audio leaking in

[dense helm]

Can someone say if this is a good choice for vault loot ? for tank Talisman of the Cragshaper ilv 441 (trinket from ularaog)

[dusky canopy]

It’s a good defense option yes

You would probably prefer ilvl in a different slot if you have the option, the 441 talisman is farmable

[uneven mason]

It has its uses in obscenely high keys

[restive scroll]

(not trying to shame you in any way btw, just trying to say that something is weird)
So you have a log by any chance?

[dusky canopy]

If hes in voice with his co tank you can always have the co tank always take the two opposite debuffs if they have cds for it and you don’t

But that requires more coordination

I like to use wall when I know I’m getting two and I’ll just use dstance when I know I’m getting one

[uneven mason]

War Should always have a Cd for the combo

[dusky canopy]

If LS or Demo line up cool but don’t sweat that send them on CD

[uneven mason]

Another step would be to pre LS to boost your ip cap

If you're really getting stepped in

[dusky canopy]

Yeah true but like

Damage

[uneven mason]

But, rasok shouldn't truck

Not at that ilvl

Unless he's 447 everywhere and using a 296 green shield

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[hexed moth]

any suggestions for third boss slam on NL

[dusky canopy]

Rip shield

[hexed moth]

its timing is hard for reflect

[dusky canopy]

You have to watch the dungeon timer to be able to reflect the slam

I think you mean boss 2 yeah?

[hexed moth]

yeah

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s .5 second cast so you either have insane reaction time or you pre cast reflect by watching the dbm/bigwigs timer

[oblique kayak]

dungeon timer - allways after pull / allways after intermition

your looking for Sunder - not Slam

[dusky canopy]

Depending on his nameplates the ability has the slam icon I’m assuming that’s why he said slam

[sick sentinel]

is it possible to stack anvil before doing raid bosses?

[restive scroll]

You should always be able to reflect the one after he comes back up, as you can precast reflect

[oblique kayak]

in theory yes

[sick sentinel]

but im guessing its not really worth spending 5 minutes to do so

160k crits are nice though

[dusky canopy]

I wonder if you can build up stacks on a punching bag before boss pull

🧠

[sick sentinel]

was my thought aswell

[dusky canopy]

No way they allow that right?

[oblique kayak]

mhmm do they count as combat?

[dusky canopy]

Can you even spawn the carrot in instances

I’m spit balling I have no idea

[oblique kayak]

as in - in combat

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t it reset on boss start ?

[oblique kayak]

no

[limpid anchor]

So the dh in my guild lied to me :<

[sick sentinel]

it does run off in around 5 seconds after leaving combat

[oblique kayak]

still it’s 5 min

[sick sentinel]

if not earlier

[dusky canopy]

No it’s 15 seconds

[limpid anchor]

14 sec

[dusky canopy]

Like OWS was

[oblique kayak]

15

[sick sentinel]

wut

[limpid anchor]

Or 15

[sick sentinel]

i just tried on a targetdummy

and timer got to 4

idk maybe it was bugged or i started late

but it felt super fast

[oblique kayak]

just did a m+ def 15 there

[thin phoenix]

are there any WAs that tell you which boss skills to reflect?

or do we gotta use our brains

[dusky canopy]

🧠

[thin phoenix]

I was afraid of that

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

okay so its okayish to keep up?

[oblique kayak]

in m+ yes

[dusky canopy]

However @thin phoenix there is a list in the pins so you at least know what to look for

[sick sentinel]

how much damage did it end up doing in overalls?

[sleek current]

There is a spreadsheet somewhere

[oblique kayak]

there are dungeon where it whil fall of NL/Vap and so on

[thin phoenix]

yah I've seen it

just can't memorize a million skills and bosses haha

[oblique kayak]

around 4%

[thin phoenix]

maybe ill just pull it up 2nd monitor everytime i raid

[oblique kayak]

sometimes more

[sick sentinel]

okay that solid

• its strength aswell

[sleek current]

You could create your own weakaura with the spreadsheet. 😄

[dusky canopy]

For me I just memorize what bosses are reflect able first

[sick sentinel]

there is a WA for dungeon stuff

[dusky canopy]

Then over time you learn the ability names

[oblique kayak]

it’s good - but i’ll switch it out for Mark/Thunder or beacon of i’ll ever get them

[dusky canopy]

I like the oce too

Good value in aoe

[sleek current]

I just spam spell reflect and when I hear the WUUHTUSSH! I go "WHAT DID I SPELL REFLECT?!" then forget I spell reflected anything after the boss.

[dusky canopy]

I think I’ll still run mark/thunder though once I get them

[oblique kayak]

but i like it better then grapple for example

[dusky canopy]

Maybe oce if the whole group has it

[oblique kayak]

yeah whole group makes a big diff

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s like free 250 secondary if all 5 run it

[oblique kayak]

If

🤷‍♂️

[dusky canopy]

That’ll be late season gaming when everyone’s collected it

[sleek current]

If you spell reflect Void Surge does the raid wide damage still happen?

[oblique kayak]

yeah an some classes won’t run it at all

[sick sentinel]

are Heart of thunder and Mark currently the best offensive trinkets from dungeons?

[toxic pewter]

yah I think so

[near steppe]

The only proper way to play pwarr

[sleek current]

I knew I was playing it right. 👍

[left basalt]

Grapner is swimming higher for me than Thunder with Mark

Simming*

[dusky canopy]

Strong swimmer aye

[lofty mica]

Is there a spot that shares decent routes for m+?

[sick sentinel]

i go by dratnos routes and what works for pugs

[thin phoenix]

for neltharus, how do you guys pull those first few packs on the left?

everytime I've pulled first room after the hallway, my healer can't keep us up

the round room right before mammoth boss

[fresh igloo]

are you eating a bunch of the frontal cone or the blazing slash with no mitigation, or are you talking about the mote of combustion/molten core casts that need to be kicked

[thin phoenix]

yah the raidwide dmg

[fresh igloo]

well

your group needs to stop the casts

as a prot warrior you can help a lot but you can't do it all on your own

[dusky canopy]

Keystone guru + names to look for:
dorki, dratnos, taktyks, quazzi, plka, naowh

[thin phoenix]

do you guys usually pull all 3 packs in that room?

i think i'm gonna start just doing 1 + the earth eles

cause yeah like you said, seems to take a lot of trust in the team to help you disrupt

[fresh igloo]

on tyr week, I'm pulling something like this

fort week I separate out the first pull more cuz blazing slash wrecks

[dusky canopy]

You wild for bringing that pat in but yeah it works

It make sense though only adds 1 kick to the pull

[fresh igloo]

i was skipping it at first but the timing has lined up to where it's standing right at the door

so rather kill it than wait around or burn invis pots for just that

I've always hated invis skips lol

[thin phoenix]

does you usually have to kill 1-2 extra packs at the end?

[dusky canopy]

I see you don’t do the 3rd thaum pack

[thin phoenix]

the ones on the sides of the room

[dusky canopy]

Where do you grab the count?

[fresh igloo]

here

y'all can just look at all my shitty non-pro routes lol

https://wago.io/tplQd3HB5

[modern brook]

i think that pull only has 1 thurm

[dusky canopy]

Yep yep

[fresh igloo]

the pat is one caster and two eles yeah

[dusky canopy]

Actually makes a lot of sense to do that

I always found double thurm is really bad

[modern brook]

i mean the whole triple pull only has 1 thurm i think

[dusky canopy]

Peoples brains go poof

[fresh igloo]

on my pull 1? yes

[modern brook]

unsure if im just baby sat by playing with a protpal or if im actually remembering things correctly

[thin phoenix]

i think it's the big tall models that make it overwhelming for ppl to look for kicks

[fresh igloo]

the wardens are the scary bit w/ blazing slash really

[dusky canopy]

Yes yes the only kick in your first pull is the thurm

[fresh igloo]

well not the only one

the eles do the molten core too

and if that stacks up it hurts

[dusky canopy]

Instead of doing those 3 with the 2nd thurm pack

[thin phoenix]

oof that phoenix + 2 wardens right before the last boss always scares me

[dusky canopy]

Splock

[fresh igloo]

the bird pulls can be dangerous yeah. really needs a prepped healer.

[dusky canopy]

Made up timer on 20 nelt last night pulling last two packs together that was spicy

But we succeeded

[fresh igloo]

haha

yeah

that is a spicy pull

[thin phoenix]

2 lavamancers?

[fresh igloo]

i went in to the pair and was like "we can pull this in, right?"

healer said yes

that MIGHT have been a mistake, but technically not a wipe

[uneven mason]

Oof

Bird + lavaboy

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s a lot of damage but it’s doable

[fresh igloo]

yeah it was all good right up until... um... molten army i think?

[uneven mason]

You're asking for some singed asshairs

[fresh igloo]

then it started getting rough.

[thin phoenix]

lowkey i like the molten army. more rage generation

[dusky canopy]

Molten army spawns all casting fire eles

Jus need good stops

[uneven mason]

The timing on molten army would hit mid firebird

[vocal mica]

Maybe asked already but anyone else getting “no path available” on Charge in Legacy of Tyr?

[fresh igloo]

i think you mean randomly anywhere and everywhere haha

[uneven mason]

Ever since the patch there has been invisible path breaks fucking everywhere

[vocal mica]

Uh yeah that too now that you mention it

Gotcha.

[modern brook]

You're probably right; i just feel like it shouldnt be too much to ask for 4 other people to like, look at their monitors for 20 minutes you know?

[vocal mica]

Really fuggs up my flow y’all

[fresh igloo]

pathing has always been a problem for charge and leap but it definitely seems a bit worse rn

[uneven mason]

The ramp in neltharius and the lady trash pack

[toxic pewter]

ngl, when the brez guy dies and i cant brez I cant help but think the group is like wtf why did i not just bring a prot pal

[dusky canopy]

[thin phoenix]

this week is really showing how awful some dps are

[toxic pewter]

feels bad lately

[fresh igloo]

i run with a resto druid and a feral druid so

[dusky canopy]

Pink boi bad

[fresh igloo]

meh, whatever.

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

I just realized what's causing the pathing issues