ALL to cower
#protection
fresh igloo
right.... ?
marble cipher
still, moot point, just be very selective on who you bring to keys
have someone else handle it
fresh igloo
we're reading this very differently apparently
vague viper
For season 1 there was a website dedicated to teaching you what all the trash did in a dungeon, super basics website, does anyone remember it and is it updated?
marble cipher
mythic trap
toxic pewter
ngl, been encountering a lot of dps talking down on prot warr in these pugs
marble cipher
aye, cause we're not "meta" enough
toxic pewter
have had 3 separate incidents so far
vague viper
mythic trap
Dont think it was, it had some streamer that made it
fresh igloo
wait just a beat before charge/leap, and then you don't make a mess in melee range
marble cipher
¯_(ツ)_/¯
toxic pewter
whoa yogi ur cursor is huge
modern brook
we're reading this very differently apparently
the knockback is centered around your target. If you target incorp w/ menaced shout you will knockback enemies around it and fear the incorp (plus anything around it) for 15s. If you target an add near the incorp, it will do nothing to the incorp
marble cipher
Dont think it was, it had some streamer that made it
tanknotes maybe? though I'm fairly sure that's not updated atm
tropic gorge
have had 3 separate incidents so far
Did you out dps them
sick sentinel
its more about i never want to lose the cursor in battle
with a million other effects going on
toxic pewter
Did you out dps them
almost out dps'd a dh , the one who made the remark did do more dam than me in that specific instance
tropic gorge
Meta slaves will always be meta slaves
fresh igloo
the knockback is centered around your target. If you target incorp w/ menaced sh...
that's really weird to me that it would work on incorp.
toxic pewter
i didnt even do anything negative either
the run was ruined by the guy that made the remark.. didnt even lust the boss
modern brook
that's really weird to me that it would work on incorp.
its targeted cc
nothing weird a bout it
modern brook
you shouldnt charge so early, the goal is to have that shit not be where your dps need to stack for the shield
tropic gorge
Ah yes that boss. I too messed up the puddles by charging too quickly
I like to place my puddles against the back wall of the ring
I've killed a few slow dps that eye hump their dmg meter doing that.
Tbh I don't feel bad about it. It's Hella telegraphed
toxic pewter
lol thats a yikes charge
near steppe
Damn thats huge
toxic pewter
yeah we best tank for treemouth
sick sentinel
i knew you all would want to see yogi do something stupid
knotty stump
It's the little freak out dance you do in the circle that cracks me up
sick sentinel
i've just realized that i have fucked up
modern brook
i've just realized that i have fucked up
like just now?
sick sentinel
when i started dancing around
modern brook
and yeah thats basically exactly why you want to delay the chrage so it goes off in bumblefuck
knotty stump
I usually end up getting someone else killed when I do that charge
modern brook
honestly on them theres like 0 reason to be spread on that fight
esp to the edges of the room
sick sentinel
is there a trick to first boss brackenhide
it feels like im fighting mike tyson in his prime
thin phoenix
its more about i never want to lose the cursor in battle
I use cursor trail addon. Super necessary
modern brook
is there a trick to first boss brackenhide
are you struggling to live or is your team just dying
sick sentinel
my team is dying
dry spear
i cannot enchant shadowflame on forgestorm?
sick sentinel
we had 2 hunters and a shadow priest that run i think, haler got mad at hunters for not doing the incorp
modern brook
my team is dying
ghashtooth
jagged pier
spell reflect the disorientate
sick sentinel
are you struggling to live or is your team just dying
ya, i used to use it , but its one or the other for me
so when totem spawns i just use spell reflect ?
jagged pier
they different casts but happen at the same time
modern brook
People need to a) focus ghash tooth b) have a personal for when they're targeted by anything by him, and your healer needs to be ready to spot heal the belled jump
fresh igloo
i cannot enchant shadowflame on forgestorm?
are you at the shadowflame enchanting table
jaunty aspen
hi can somone tell me why wowhead guide tells me to not use chest tier piece even though theres haste/vers on it?
dry spear
are you at the shadowflame enchanting table
i am not. :(
fresh igloo
that might be your problem
dry spear
is this a troll? is there one?
dry spear
i have the scroll but i cannot right click it
modern brook
idk also got a lot of blame that prot warr isnt good
I mean
marble cipher
spell reflect the disorientate
When you do that, can dps just ignore the totem?
modern brook
I guess yeah having wog would help with the healer mechanics
thin phoenix
Pallys are just busted cause they can heal ppl
sick sentinel
idk i even use rallying cry to help out my healer
they could also just step behind me when they get targetted by the boss's jump so i absorb the dmg
but pugs dont do that
thin phoenix
maybe it's worth taking intervene to help carry harder
sick sentinel
i mean there is a fat red arrow on the ground
modern brook
they could also just step behind me when they get targetted by the boss's jump s...
you should be actively in the line
if your dps is avoiding you thats on them
sick sentinel
im disoriented before jakey just told me tho i could spell reflect it
toxic pewter
anyone actually take bounding stride in m+ these days, what do you drop for it
near steppe
Pallys are just busted cause they can heal ppl
And have 87 cast interrupts
toxic pewter
wild how many ret pal dont remember to change their auras lmao
literally encountered at least 10 running with crusader aura on
modern brook
anyone actually take bounding stride in m+ these days, what do you drop for it
3rd cc
thin phoenix
do you guys think the new 4 set is as good as last tier's?
modern brook
for pwar?
thin phoenix
ya
modern brook
i mean you do that anyways
thin phoenix
ignore pain is pretty trash
modern brook
IP is honestly good at what its designed for
the problem is people dont use it what its designed for
then start qustioning why they're dying
jagged pier
^
modern brook
IP is also Very uhhh visible
thin phoenix
eh i mean you jsut use it right before a big hit
modern brook
its very easy for newer tanks to look at survival stats like HPS and say "wow ip is why im living"
jagged pier
u dont only use IP before a tank hit
its literally part of your rotation
even when your not tanking
thin phoenix
well yah to reduce raid dmg on yourself
thin phoenix
does it give some sort of buff while active?
modern brook
it spends 40 rage
off the gcd
thats 40 rage into AM
means more avatar
which means more rage
thin phoenix
AM?
modern brook
thats 40 rage into outburst
jagged pier
and if your playing correctly tanking or not
modern brook
anger management
thin phoenix
oh right
thin phoenix
but when you're not tanking, do you even overcap outside of avatar while spamming revenge
thin phoenix
outside of ravager*
modern brook
still yes
hardy snow
I disagree Jakey, no matter how much rage we generate, its never enough 
crude notch
looted a dice on my monk just now, couldn't trade it, went to valdrakken opened upgrade window could trade it then good game
daring marlin
luhmao
jagged pier
I disagree Jakey, no matter how much rage we generate, its never enough <:wicked...
well true
thin phoenix
I feel like rotationally, i just upkeep my shield block cause it's 100% and put one ignore pain up at all time
but i refresh it before a big hit
crude notch
one drop of ignore pain up
dusky canopy
Maybe it just me but i literally don’t even think about ip
If red bar is almost full I hit button
If it’s not I hit other button
thin phoenix
same
dusky canopy
It’s pretty straight forward
crude notch
definitely more straightforward than someone named Brew playing Pwar
that's for sure
dusky canopy
Bro I tried changing
I felt weird
Lasted two whole messages like I was saying lol
Damn monks
I was brew before monk
SMH
hello
crude notch
why do people say brew is hard i don't get it, just make stagger bar less full. ezlife
fresh igloo
I was brew before monk
is this you https://www.youtube.com/@Brew
blissful sable
Does it worth to change onyx with Neltharion lairs ring(band of the wyrm matron)?
dusky canopy
I don’t think brm is hard at all
crude notch
and it's even easier now because you don't have to fit 80 cantrips items into your WoO window
modern brook
I feel like rotationally, i just upkeep my shield block cause it's 100% and put ...
either a) You're Iping more than you think you are or b) you're capping rage way too much
remote venture
why do people say brew is hard i don't get it, just make stagger bar less full. ...
Just more buttons to press on the main roatation
modern brook
log investigations can help you identify which issue you're having
near steppe
u dont only use IP before a tank hit
The day i understood that a need to keep SS and TC on CD for dps and IG for rage dump was the day i started doing +20s. Before i was always trying tu use revenge trying to get more dps
thin phoenix
either a) You're Iping more than you think you are or b) you're capping rage way...
I don't think I have it up all the time lol. But I do press it a few times per pack for sure
dusky canopy
is this you <https://www.youtube.com/@Brew>
IVE BEEN FOUND
thin phoenix
would have to check a log
dusky canopy
The day i understood that a need to keep SS and TC on CD for dps and IG for rage...
Yep it’s that simple
near steppe
Thats why i hated s1 tier. Sometimes we just need to spam IP and because of the set we needed to use revenge
dusky canopy
Woyer owns
fresh igloo
Thats why i hated s1 tier. Sometimes we just need to spam IP and because of the ...
no.. you just did the normal rotation with old tier too.
you got benefits when you got benefits
near steppe
True true
fresh igloo
friends with benefits?
near steppe
When i started tanking i focused so hard on revenging that got stacked on 16s
thin phoenix
checked my heroic kazzara kill yesterday and i had 65% uptime on ignore pain (no 4 set from last tier).
is that bad?
fresh igloo
how much rage did you waste
dusky canopy
Ip uptime is a weird metric to worry about
near steppe
Anyway. Spam IP, 100% uptime SB, spam ofensives and defensives, be happy
Thats the true pwarr guide. Thats why i love the classe
And cause is brown
dusky canopy
Ayye you like the brown too
violet sable
What can brown do for you TM
dusky canopy
A man of culture
dusky canopy
If you only wasted 15 rage you’re killing it
fresh igloo
i mean if you want actual good answers on how you're playing you should just link the log
jagged pier
well that depends on the whole package of play
dusky canopy
I find it impossible not to waste rage when I’m opening
near steppe
Ip uptime is a weird metric to worry about
If u dont tank, u dont take dmg, 100% uptime, stonks
modern brook
says i wasted 15 rage
i can look at the log if you post it
jagged pier
i see ppl with like half the rage gen i do and dont waste any rage
dusky canopy
The rage generated is through the roof during the opener
jagged pier
they still arent playing correctly
thin phoenix
it's jsut the link right
dusky canopy
Jakey speaks the truth
near steppe
Shield slam and thunder clap
thin phoenix
oh right lol
near steppe
Keep then on CD hard. Keep shield block up 100%. Spam IP. Use revenge when ur safe and ur generators are on CD
dusky canopy
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FDxvjAdn4K2XacwH#fight=4&type=summary
Looks like you could have cast revenge more and you missed a SC lined up with DS
Also ravager only cast twice in 4 minutes
Roar 3 times in 4 minutes
modern brook
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FDxvjAdn4K2XacwH#fight=4&type=summary
this looks like it falls firmly in "IP more than you think" territory, tbh
literally IP'd once every 5s
for 4 minutes
thin phoenix
isn't roar 1.5min cd
jagged pier
isn't roar 1.5min cd
well u shouldnt be running shockwave so its less
and u shouldnt be running all totem ither
thin phoenix
not gonna lie, i didn't change spec going into raid hahah
i swapped all totem for the nelth trinket yesterday
nice having my own chi cocoon
oh so you swap shockwave for thunderous roar cd node in raid?
jagged pier
toxic pewter
im about to try a firelands timewalking raid lol
is there anything i gotta know in there never actually tanked it awkward
dusky canopy
Oh hey funnily enough we waisted the same amount of rage burning lol
toxic pewter
ok cool
dusky canopy
thin phoenix
ops wrong reply lol
damn i was looking at the pin for how to take spell block
and every choice seems so hard
fresh igloo
yeah. same.
dusky canopy
Not worth anywhere else imo but I’m also not doing 25s I’m only doing 20s-22s
fresh igloo
though I did run neltharus and then forget to change specs for a few more keys lol
cinder nova
This 25% healer nerf is visible.
cinder nova
I mean, it's whatever to me, personally, but you can see it by how many healers are struggling to keep people alive because they suddenly have to be far more cognizant of mechanics and prepare to heal as opposed to just reacting to group damage.
And a lot of them are just not adjusting at all.
limpid estuary
Do you prio thunderclap > revenge when rage isn’t an issue in ST?
cinder nova
Yes.
dusky canopy
Yes
thin phoenix
i was healing 16s on my monk before I started gearing up my pwarr, and honestly it's harder to carry as a tank than a healer lol
thin phoenix
How can you get people to not stand in shit as a tank hahahh
thin phoenix
On my healer, I just have my buttons ready assuming they're stupid and not gonna dodge it
cinder nova
I mean, there's a point where not dodging it is unhealable.
fresh igloo
when you're doing relevant content the healer can't carry that either
cinder nova
So they're gonna get hardstuck at whatever io they're at pulling that nonsense.
fresh igloo
cuz it just one-shots
cinder nova
I can't count the number of 18 ULDs I've done where I see the healer dragging their feet doing 30-40K HPS while we're getting absolutely hammered.
Like ??? use your CDs fucks sake
thin phoenix
yeah a tank can be good, but won't keep everyone up
cinder nova
I'm practically having to wall on CD here
thin phoenix
a healer can be good and bypass people being shit
except for some 1 shot mechanics yea
dusky canopy
On the flip side hpal did 140k trying to keep me alive on 3 bolstered bassi bois
Insane damage
I was not prepared
Lmao
cinder nova
Also, DPS that are being stingy with CDs and shit dies so fucking slow
thin phoenix
this new week affix is even more brutal
cinder nova
It's not even bad tbh.
dusky canopy
I haven’t gotten to try it yet
cinder nova
Literally one CC and they're gone.
dusky canopy
Should be fun
cinder nova
Any hard CC will lock them up and they don't break on damage.
If your group is trying to kick them you will fail.
cinder nova
Did he? Where.
dusky canopy
It gets broken
fresh igloo
very specific cases of cleave
cinder nova
Weird, I had a boomkin in one of my keys and he never broke them.
fresh igloo
so just safest to pull away anyways
thin phoenix
hmm i tanked most adds on top of them and didn't seem to break stuff
i have a feeling only magic dmg goes through
fresh igloo
yeah they are mostly immune
cinder nova
Razor is phys I'm pretty sure
dusky canopy
Razor spikes though
fresh igloo
it's just some specific interactions
dusky canopy
Nobody play tests hunter see
thin phoenix
yeah new affix, will probably be nerfed by end of the week
cinder nova
It wouldn't be so bad if there was just one of them, but the two and the fact they can spawn behind you without a lot of visual tell is kinda shitty
So then you're panning your camera away from the encounter you might need to focus on for kicking/CC.
dusky canopy
I’d prefer it be just one myself
I can’t believe it was freaking FOUR on ptr
Insane expectations
fresh igloo
sounds like they spawn in a radius around mobs that are currently in combat?
(even if you're not near those mobs)
cinder nova
Nah, pretty sure it's around you.
thin phoenix
yeah but could be straight up behind you if someone is straggling
fresh igloo
hm, I was hearing about them spawning off spitefuls 30 yards away
thin phoenix
spiteful seems tankier this season lol
i remember seeing them just die after walking 5 ft
cinder nova
That's actually another thing that chaps my ass: they go away the minute combat drops, but Spiteful keeps you in combat.
frail fern
Question do people sim there dps in prot spec or just go with IL for vaut rewards?
dusky canopy
They spawn around party members in combat to my understanding
fresh igloo
Question do people sim there dps in prot spec or just go with IL for vaut reward...
yes, sim for damage output. our defense comes from good play.
dusky canopy
Question do people sim there dps in prot spec or just go with IL for vaut reward...
Sim
cinder nova
Question do people sim there dps in prot spec or just go with IL for vaut reward...
People absolutely sim their DPS as Prot. If you aren't dying or stressed over survival in a given encounter or moment, you should be pumping.
thin phoenix
I thought we were a dps spec
cinder nova
Adjust your play as needed based on intake.
dusky canopy
I’m a dps spec
cinder nova
For example, loathe though I am to do so, I've been popping into DStance for H Rashok so I don't get wombo'd by the Flame Slash.
thin phoenix
you can spell block that right
fresh igloo
someone told me i was doing a lot for a tank in a casual key at 60k and I was like
no
dude
cinder nova
Probably, but we don't really have room for it.
fresh igloo
no i'm sucking rn
thin phoenix
i'm always in d stance cause i'm not that geared yet hahaha
fresh igloo
try being in battle stance. see what happens.
cinder nova
You can probably survive without it.
dusky canopy
thin phoenix
yeah i just dont want to tax my healers any more than these chimp dps are already doing
at least til i hit 430
fresh igloo
you are not the healer's concern for the VAST majority of all of that.
I've had this conversation w/ my healer multiple times, except in cases of specific abilities that are meant to be tank busters, going up in to 19s even
he tosses a hot on me
my health bar doesn't move
fresh igloo
and to be clear 19s aren't even high.
chrome falcon
ok i'm gonna out myself as a slacker here
but
what's the phial for ST damage in raid?
fresh igloo
plenty of people in here going higher than that
fresh igloo
what's the phial for ST damage in raid?
i think in reality tepid vers ends up being the pick for everything.
chrome falcon
cringe
fresh igloo
the rest of 'em are just too conditional.
proud patrol
Why are we playing fueld violence over brutal vitality? is there a synergy with new 4 set im not understanding?
fresh igloo
iirc the difference between those two is minimal, but old tier had interaction with IP and new doesn't
although the pinned builds have BV again
nocturne spindle
i would like to caveat
fresh igloo
not sure when that changed
nocturne spindle
people here will say 19s are not high because the people hanging out in class discords are generally more into the game and are higher level players than most. 19 is pretty high and unless you are playing well it will hurt
fresh igloo
people here will say 19s are not high because the people hanging out in class di...
fair and reasonable, I'm just trying to make sure I'm not accidentally positioning myself as some top player
because i'm not, I just have a group of friends that do keys together and we're persistent lol
real thunder
i see some high M+ players try to pick up SpellBlock and UnervingFocus. THey end up dropping bloodsurge and BatteringRam. Any thoughts on these variations?
i know spellblock is really strong but is UnnervingFocus strong now because of our tier?
fresh igloo
i would not drop battering ram personally
chrome falcon
Current cut offs
yeah like i'm apparently top 1% and i would not consider myself good at pushing keys at all
dusky canopy
Same here
chrome falcon
even in this season
fresh igloo
if I'm stressing on survival I'm probably pulling smaller, and bloodsurge is doing less for me
chrome falcon
19s on week 3 are high for the OVERWHELMING majority of players
dusky canopy
Yes agreed
fresh igloo
so that would be the talent to drop
real thunder
what about unnerving focus?
fresh igloo
i think it makes sense in the raid build cuz of ST encounters and less rage sources, but in keys you're doing a lot more multi target stuff.
olive bay
19s on week 3 are high for the OVERWHELMING majority of players
I haven't even started pushing yet - I just farm my keys for crests and maybe do 3 or 4 +18 or higher keys
sick sentinel
might try halls of infusion
chrome falcon
just because 19 is high relative to other players
doesn't mean it is hard
if you're in a class discord and you have a few hours a week to put into the game
you can do full 20s
grand geode
Anyone know if the new embeslished shield is worth crafting?
fresh igloo
shadowed impact buckler? no.
chrome falcon
it's fine but it's just worse than shadowflame patch
which can also go on shield
so it's literally pointless
dusky canopy
Double shadowflame owns
chrome falcon
yeah
dusky canopy
I have it on shield and belt currently
chrome falcon
apart from when it ninja pulls
fresh igloo
apart from when it ninja pulls
the roiling shadowflame embellishment can ninja pull? eh?
chrome falcon
@strong forum i'm sure it's a known bug by now but i'm really glad to see the codex of the first technique bug return for shadowflame patch
grand geode
Its gonna be hard for me to get rid of my brez bracers but i prob will eventually for double shadowflame
anyone know what % of it is there dmg after a key?
nocturne spindle
brez braces arent an embellishment?
sorry
that was a statement questioning him
quiet minnow
what are you guys grabbing for ominous buff
grand geode
really?
dusky canopy
I found haste simmed the highest
nocturne spindle
yea
grand geode
i thought they were
grand geode
well shit
nocturne spindle
100% sure since i have it, food thing, and two shadowflames
dusky canopy
@grand geode you can have 2x shadowflame, flavor pocket, & engi brez
All at the same time
grand geode
alrighty then
thats what im def gonna do then lmao
i was running brez bracers as one of my embellishment all last season lmao
fresh igloo
stuff that counts against your two throughput embellishments will actually say "unique-embellished(2)" or something like that.
nocturne spindle
dps loss how dare you
grand geode
smh
dark lark
As a shot caller for keys, whats the strat against Gashtooth (Brackenhide first boss)? Should I be calling for defensives and use rally on the shadowsteps? Feels like I always lose people there
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> i'm sure it's a known bug by now but i'm really glad to se...
can do the same with frostfirbelt or ring
nocturne spindle
whuts the bug
quiet minnow
its illegal for you to ask him that
dusky canopy
The item effects can pull things you’re not in combat with
We don’t publicly talk about bugs anymore since battering ram fix
dark lark
Oh, I've totally done that. I assumed it was my annulet
olive bay
As a shot caller for keys, whats the strat against Gashtooth (Brackenhide first ...
Typically, yes - focus the caster, then the rogue. When people get the bleed, defensives and self heals
dusky canopy
Oh, I've totally done that. I assumed it was my annulet
Annulet pulls too
olive bay
The boss I struggle the most with is Cragmaw - no matter what there's so many ticks that spawn
fresh igloo
huh. i guess taht makes sense why i've not seen it. i'm usually targetting things i'm already in combat with while i'm in combat.
crude notch
Don’t share our secrets
like the 1-5-7-1, right?
fresh igloo
The boss I struggle the most with is Cragmaw - no matter what there's so many ti...
do you tank cragmaw close to a wall so charges are kept short, making the tick larva easy to stomp on
olive bay
Yes but it's not Charge that's the problem
dusky canopy
like the 1-5-7-1, right?
👀
olive bay
It's the other tantrum bullshit
crude notch
exactly
olive bay
It spawns 2-3 times as many ticks as it used to
crude notch
It spawns 2-3 times as many ticks as it used to
it does not
fresh igloo
ah. yeah. everyone has to help on tantrum or it gets out of hand fast.
crude notch
mans out here making shit up to make himself feel better for scuffing a mechanic
smdh my darn helmet
olive bay
Yeah I just do not remember that many ticks
dusky canopy
Charge you face at wall
olive bay
yup
modern brook
can u still outrange indigestrion?
crude notch
frontal you step out of like a normal human being
modern brook
u used to be able to leap away as it was cast
nocturne spindle
i mean it just tickles
dusky canopy
Nah nah I knew I could dodge cragmaw
Lmao
But yeah hard trolling on rockmora and avalanches for this whole season
LOL
crude notch
yes it just tickles until you're doing a key where it definitely doesn't tickle
modern brook
But yeah hard trolling on rockmora and avalanches for this whole season
avalanches are cheating smh
dusky canopy
It’s ok though because now I know and I’ll never mess that up again
Like a gamer chad blockbuster champion
nocturne spindle
i thought it simmed super good single target tho
undone verge
It does
dusky canopy
Maybe it’s changed in the past few days
But to my understanding it’s un reliable
So you go sophic instead
fresh igloo
So you go sophic instead
or frozen
sick sentinel
im doing wafting enchant my self
dusky canopy
You just don’t want to eat them
I mean you can in a 20 I’ve proven it plenty
But you don’t need too
crude notch
got raid in 15 minutes definitely getting djaruun on my druid and anvil and all 4 tier slots
right?
dark lark
chrome falcon
grapple > anvil for m+? same ilvl
urban portal
yea
strong forum
depends tbh
if you can maintain 5 stacks of anvil throughout the dungeon
its gonna be pretty good
urban portal
whats the leeway for stacks dropping
urban portal
oh thats not bad then
strong forum
a buddy of mine had 13k dps from anvil on last boss of BH 
procced a casual 22 times for 2mil dmg total
thats almost as much as grapnel does throughout an entire key
strong forum
it overperfoms on prot pally
very much overperforms on prot pally
cuz they made it so anvil procs off of auto attacks for paladin
because of the crusaderstrike auto attack talent for retadin
modern brook
Lol
strong forum
so uh, it procs a tiny bit more often for pally
modern brook
Some bullshit tbh
dusky canopy
strong forum
but its still 2rppm
dusky canopy
Devestator is literally the exact same thing
SMH
timid thicket
Did I giga troll myself by taking the homelander trinket in vault today. Awkward as fuck to use
toxic pewter
Did I giga troll myself by taking the homelander trinket in vault today. Awkward...
reminds me when i took dragongames equipment in my first vault of season 1
timid thicket
Shouldn't open vault while late for work
strong forum
vault isnt gonna go anywhere 
dusky canopy
Can’t be disappointed by vault if you don’t fill it
pallid quiver
^^^
dusky canopy
timid thicket
It's over for me now, brb rerolling pally
pallid quiver
Also, if you open it and don't pick loot, people can steal from your vault and take your drops.
100% true no lie, no need to fact check
He gave up his humanity. We gotta put him down, boys and girls
brave jungle
What do I take? Trinket is with leech
I have no idea how good the trinket is.
I play m+
dusky canopy
GOLLY
timid thicket
Okay what about monk, is that a more acceptable reroll
modern brook
I barely know her
dusky canopy
Take socket
strong forum
its a decent trinket, but its a defensive trinket, not really smth you want unless you push ultra keys
up to you if you want to take it for the sake of it
pallid quiver
Okay what about monk, is that a more acceptable reroll
I have no qualms with Monk, only pink class
and for the record, i'd punch down on pink class even if they were unplayable
strong forum
Okay what about monk, is that a more acceptable reroll
roll whatever you want
toxic pewter
Okay what about monk, is that a more acceptable reroll
yah u can talent to get multiple rolls, so you can reroll often
sick sentinel
so, if i have, say, hunter in group and we get incorp'ed and then the hunter hits it with a trap
i just leave it the fuck alone ?
thin phoenix
yes
tbh they're not a warrior's job. just throw a stormbolt at it if it's almost done casting
otherwise, blame dps and move on
pastel sleet
best way to farm flightstones? im out. how much drops from m+
thin phoenix
incap=turn evil=polymorph=trap>everything else?
nocturne spindle
hunter trap numba 1
hunter trap has no cast time so can be done during move mechanics
sick sentinel
dh imprison good on them too probably?
nocturne spindle
not sure what else doesnt
thin phoenix
trap is number 1 cause you can precast it and keep moving yeah
you see swirls, throw it down
sick sentinel
hunter trap is pretty hard to break, i didn't know about things like sap or somethin
thin phoenix
they don't take aoe, so you can't break unless someone literally targets it and hits
at least what i've observed
daring marlin
Pink Bois sus
wut
strong forum
gear compare
sick sentinel
i legit didnt know that the one set trinket fire dmg blue did so much dmg
tidal tiger
Onyx is worth still?
fresh igloo
can be
icy bane
incap=turn evil=polymorph=trap>everything else?
Druid hibernate p good too
rough hazel
Anyone know if Neltharion's Call to Suffering works with rend?
olive bay
How do you guys cycle CDs during raid? Should I be using Last Stand any time I have threat and it's up?
dusky canopy
Use LS on cd while in combat
icy bane
Think you always send last stand on CD
olive bay
Even if I'm not actively tanking?
dusky canopy
Assuming you can hit a target
olive bay
Just for the damage boost?
dusky canopy
Yes
dusky canopy
We pretty much use wall and stance for tank busters in raid you send everything else on CD
olive bay
stance = defensive stance?
dusky canopy
Oh, yes
olive bay
Just making sure - that makes a lot of sense
dusky canopy
Sit bstance swap dstance when needed
olive bay
I noticed in Zskarn I took far more damage when I wasn't actively tanking
So I was using CDs for when the other tank taunted off of me
dusky canopy
Well yeah that’s when the dot is the highest
olive bay
That's what I was doing honestly
dusky canopy
It’s been successful for me
olive bay
that and IP spam
urban portal
Anyone know if Neltharion's Call to Suffering works with rend?
if you are talking about call to chaos, youll proc it fully with just TC and revenge
thin phoenix
Do you guys loot spec dps?
dusky canopy
I’ve also only tanked that fight the cheese way where you have a third tank only do bombs and you have 5 healers instead of 4
rough hazel
Actually it was the suffering one that it seems casters and dk's have prio on
dusky canopy
So mileage will vary
olive bay
Last night was my first night tanking in a raid since 2005ish - had a ton of fun and just wanting to make sure I am doing things right
dusky canopy
For sure guy this is the place to chat about it
dusky canopy
Do you guys loot spec dps?
If I want a dps item yes
Forever looting echo as arms trying to snipe that ashkandur
thin phoenix
😂
dusky canopy
“Trading ashkandur 2m”
jaunty stratus
Hi , anyone have The elvui profiles
thin phoenix
Maybe I should loot spec fury til I get a hero 1h
dusky canopy
Go to neltharus prison until you have forgestorm
Then sit arms spec
Or fury for vault
thin phoenix
Fosho
modern brook
Then sit arms spec
i did this and now i still have a 398 shield 😦
thin phoenix
Do you think a 447 1h would out perform though?
dusky canopy
BULL
modern brook
what
dusky canopy
Spark craft a shield
modern brook
im gearing efficiently brew
olive bay
I’ve also only tanked that fight the cheese way where you have a third tank only...
That's just "your 3rd tank eats all 3 bombs and heals himself", right?
dusky canopy
Oh wait fury gamer yeah?
modern brook
nah arms
thin phoenix
Lol you can craft a whelpling crest blue shield 408
sick sentinel
something killed the NA ah again
proven spear
what would you craft next?
thin phoenix
I did my 1st spark shield, 2nd spark unstable belt
proven spear
and how important is our Tset?
olive bay
what would you craft next?
You can sim that btw
dusky canopy
Bull 🤍 it’s okay
modern brook
I did my 1st spark shield, 2nd spark unstable belt
yeah thats the good look. I dont full time tank so i went belt first is all
uneven mason
something killed the NA ah again
Using player housing as hedge fund investment obviously
dusky canopy
You still own with 398 shield
olive bay
I have the 408 shield and I'm tanking 19s without much of an issue, fwiw
modern brook
i can tank 17s just fine so theres no issue
dusky canopy
what would you craft next?
I’m doing Crit/haste pocket neck next
Might swap my 2nd shadowflame to neck instead so I can play around with off spec too haven’t decided yet that would mean two more weeks without pocket but I could probably survive it
Wait if I can even put it on neck idk if that’s a thing
dusky canopy
LOL the hate
proven spear
mhh ok
modern brook
what would you craft next?
honestly anything sub 447 that isnt a teir slot is up for craft on this kit
proven spear
with 2x shadowflame?
modern brook
guilford is really in chat right now ignoring my dms
dusky canopy
Yes Delos’s
dusky canopy
guilford is really in chat right now _ignoring my dms_
thin phoenix
in most of my keys, unstable belt does a bit more than shadowflame
dusky canopy
It’s gear dependent
brittle veldt
Go to neltharus prison until you have forgestorm
Does forgestorm not drop for fury?
dusky canopy
In bis gear 2x shadowflame is better
modern brook
Does forgestorm not drop for fury?
it does
dusky canopy
Does forgestorm not drop for fury?
Yes it does
dusky canopy
I meant to swap to arms after you get pogstorm to avoid useless 1hs
Mb should of stated that
modern brook
yah forgesword is the only mh you need tbh
brittle veldt
Gotcha just learned to go fury today so was curious if I was missing out on forge
thin phoenix
damn i gotta go camp neltharus today then
dusky canopy
Goodluck!
thin phoenix
invite only enhancement shamans and monks
acoustic oasis
Wait do we use forgestorm even for raiding?
dusky canopy
Pretty sure monks want fist weapon from UNDR
Yes it’s like 6% ahead of all other options even without stats
acoustic oasis
Woah what
thin phoenix
single target even?
thin phoenix
pogstorm indeed
acoustic oasis
Thats crazy
surreal thunder
How is the heart of thunder trinket for tanking? bloodmallet still has the old one on it that just increases your healtjh
dusky canopy
It’s been like 2 weeks since we talked about it so take that 6% with a grain of salt but yes
Regardless
It’s way ahead of all other options
dusky canopy
How is the heart of thunder trinket for tanking? bloodmallet still has the old o...
Sims poorly but is amazing in practice you want it
modern brook
Idk if other classes like it
from what ive seen most 1h dps classes dont want it
Outlaw is the exception to my knowledge
dusky canopy
That’s great! Then use them for nelt
surreal thunder
Sims poorly but is amazing in practice you want it
I'm currently using mark of dagrul and zaqali chaos grapnel, which one would i swap for it lol
dusky canopy
Prison
modern brook
but my knowledge pretty much ends after war/rogue
torpid solstice
Hello guys what is more worth?
6x token for crafted item or the shouders?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/Xalmoxiis
Im going haste vers.
I want to recraft this to high ivl
dusky canopy
I'm currently using mark of dagrul and zaqali chaos grapnel, which one would i s...
You would have to sim the two against each other to know, we already established Thunder sims poorly, mark is really good though I know that from chatting here
lucid pasture
its okay man
lucid pasture
dusky canopy
Hello guys what is more worth?
6x token for crafted item or the shouders?
https:...
You could catalyst these if you wanted to eventually but hard to say if that’s the play or not
proven spear
would you still go on krit haste even for 18/19/20 keys or switch to Haste/versa?
proven spear
why if i am allowed to ask
proven spear
alright thanks^^
dusky canopy
So not to be that guy
But like
You do way more damage as Crit/haste
And you can’t get enough Vers now
For it to save you from miss playing
So that’s kinda a bad approach
dusky canopy
Vers was favored in bfa because with corruptions you could get like 80%
That is not the case anymore
olive bay
wich stats i should take
You can sim crafted gear
dusky canopy
You can’t get enough of it for it to be good like I said
In general I’d suggest Crit/haste on all crafted pieces
Or you could be a weirdo like our orange man and put MASTERY on your shield
@strong forum
near steppe
Crit gang
dusky canopy
Crit gang
proven spear
You can sim crafted gear
iam on it^^
dusky canopy
proven spear
ye i already took krit haste on my 447 shield
olive bay
Oh, Brew - probably a dumb question.. but how do we survive in Ulda? Those bleeds eat my ass up
Just clench the cheeks and pray?
dusky canopy
Last season I was doing 22s/23s with 4% vers
For reference
Generally bleeds just eat us
warm plinth
CCs, slows, run like bitch
fresh igloo
which bleeds
dusky canopy
All bleeds
olive bay
^
fresh igloo
All bleeds
woah you changed color
olive bay
I've died to stacks of chomp multiple times
fresh igloo
yeah those fuckers hurt. been shield walling and leaping away to kite if necessary.
fringe folio
Hi, using the standard mythic + build from wowhead. Rend is included but is not included in rotation section. we don't press it or am I missing something?
dusky canopy
Yeah haha I figured I spend enough time in here why not boost it
fresh igloo
for the jagged bite on the refti i just pull a couple at a time and charge back and forth lol
dusky canopy
Only been in here for like years lol
fresh igloo
since it doesn't apply if you get out of range
fresh igloo
Hi, using the standard mythic + build from wowhead. Rend is included but is not ...
rend is auto applied due to other talents
surreal ember
@fringe folio Rend is applied by thunderclap due to the blood and thunder talent
fringe folio
Ahh ok i see, thanks !
dusky canopy
I've died to stacks of chomp multiple times
Can confirm they EAT
surreal ember
CHOMP
jagged pier
S key
jagged pier
proven spear
and how about our Tierset? get it asap? or is it wacko?
proven spear
i got a 441 out of vault, chest
i also got the 2k rio token
dusky canopy
I’m rocking 2pc 2pc right now myself
fresh igloo
I got 4 set last night, was tinkering with it on prot and fury and i'm enjoying it
fresh igloo
it's just enough of a rotation change to be something interesting to pay attention to without totally messing up my gameplay and re-learning it lol
also the "cha-ching" WA helps 😉
but also I like the icon for the buff you get after LS in prot
dusky canopy
No way fam, shotgun chamber > cha Ching
fresh igloo
can't use shotgun audio cue for rotational stuff, it's already my frontal warning
dusky canopy
I haven’t found the audio file for the shotgun chambering but I had it in SL for when outburst would proc and it was super dopamine I enjoyed it a lot
fresh igloo
might be in the causeses shared audio pack addon
strong forum
Tiny bit stacked
proven spear
In general it doesn't matter which slot I choose now does it? for example: chest, shoulder or chest, head? or should I take one that gives the most stats?
fresh igloo
all 5 tier slots have at least some crit or haste
and you do want a little of everything
kinda nice
dusky canopy
You want to prio taking chest helm or legs
Because they have the largest stat budget
proven spear
mhh then i think i choose shoulders, because on my current shoulders is krit mastery
fresh igloo
Because they have the largest stat budget
non tier in those slots would also have large stat budget tho
dusky canopy
Don’t be like me and pick freaking GLOVES
fresh igloo
say if you got higher ilvl non-tier on chest
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s good too ^
dusky canopy
Me taking gloves worked out though because I have a socketed hero helm in bags waiting for catalyst
fresh igloo
@dusky canopy
warm plinth
Just have 4pc already smh
agile tiger
Oh, Brew - probably a dumb question.. but how do we survive in Ulda? Those bleed...
go dwarf
warm plinth
tbf, I feel like dwarf isn't quite as impactful in the scenario of those basilisks lol
Since they cast it so frequently, you're just gonna get 3 stacks again almost right away
fresh igloo
i like being a walking side of beef in armor, but the other racials are tempting some times
warm plinth
The jagged bite ones you actually can somewhat avoid though
But it's more of a controlled kite than a backpedal
fresh igloo
yeah, they spam the fuck out of that cast if you backpedal, so you gotta move aggressively
dusky canopy
Ash I gotta figure out how to get my spent out burst procs to trigger the gun shooting audio
I’m sure it’s in there I just gotta play around with it
So like chamber on proc, shoot on cast
Perfection
fresh igloo
I'm supposed to be working but this sounds way more interesting
tropic gorge
That would also work well for shield charge
Comes off cd. Gun loads.
You use it. Kerpow!
fresh igloo
hm, that one sound file is both blast and chambering a shell
so we'd need one that has it separate
fresh igloo
OK just threw together something that runs on that idea. i am kinda amused
!WA:2!1rvuVnorq4gcsGIoHUlGQGJ7HQdrFaevIcTsqb0f3l5Ar5AZz7ETifjN1EhBVu7DxT76MM(exajUN7VauEMNYd8mQ)cSI4xW9tO)cyw7uabu)G9mRN9B)Mz(MTrV25TPTPVClLOWKX4G6WJ87V)bDNXIeCprHkcEWkUrImH6BBIpYpMY0YmYeF4CtqSqLtmbYadlhcOt4KCwuGjvb6urgDYcDkHkg)DhghRbZdwzoHhLkudemUjC3Uh431DrKaJumM7nMjHrY1UD8R9AiVBuH2iYTrCKKsmGlCgWnxDdsDPjqQJnbgn1OyjjGs)wRRwA(BoMjsWLuOiBEP9nsAqFF5DFotKHWS2HfMWcL2SapSOuq7LkgFi)kD1Norg2zq5Dc3dizMuNcoZeA5lOMQLqw2(uDlvHgoarDKBf2TELUiSIIduqm7CxVbD73)Vw0RigxCEWUD88d88746pJcH4I(ipv71T)GEh1)Yc(s(3sEpsfj8R9FQGc)6kYhE71TCbnqHLPrY1V9GYGes0KG4mHqLE9Pai7G5tKXLyyI0PJfk6XkIC6XlnwqkmyR8qj(BUUfsznXuypMuNyb3iVBpf7I1EwbHIlswZ3FgMWUqIn87VA59wGUHKOttqPhNgMcSKuZlCYeeAVqdX2kw1nViZWA5yzYQLFwl3OmIwBTC0SlaRXu7H5HoV3Leol3Yw(2UAdrz6Dfq0GNrb8et6BuEphUGdlOwwIrfy1bknG6eQEQnuBbVChNCcJ3R8lXnuUt5xv(1LFt5oHXmotN(VxEoJxxgr8ATuTFsTAV5mlWS6YJ89)FR81gU2gawLIQID7YVyDxTTMi7Tp3aQysemSdLI)B4Xa50oi)1dhigdQkZNcugzONDh6HJzrNc0CS8Lrkss)0nejjtPIGkahv(O1lFICJ)dSpgmewMEOUgKQpbjf8nTBVC)royYBAntv19SvjhdMhZ)h50RTzbJo)KJEM(8bpXZBBhzBCiy3LtKOg11kaVUE(VNchlSWe6TRB3Uh4sYKPKMYp42LNsfeX04P3u(o3mNBd7XmnjmdOPQZRl7797FYh9lRGpoxie5nuFpExblEIt)U98NzerNHTCeM3TXp)6pKrLV9aL4Vh5xRtbLjUMzRpCs2ZRJ9hNhBjmkKqHCt3XmQj9fVc1)cBJp6yRVth0ne74XSKwkg3EmqQAYss9i4d9)bKuZRLi7wDFAJgnAodh9bAfe)0DMEtMn6snKfxDnz5B2w7U1gBTXN3(S)4K)8
only problem is that the first audio cue gets cut if the outburst is used as soon as it pops
it's not EXACTLY what was asked for but close enough that someone might enjoy lol
latent steppe
i've some trinket issues 😄 all are 441
latent steppe
i've some trinket issues 😄 all are 441
so i should ominous + dargrul or dargrul + anvil?
raidwise
long stone
what set pieces want we? Chest, shoulders, hands, legs?
deal
than token for chest ok 😄
fresh igloo
why drop tier helm with crit haste on it?
sick sentinel
i've some trinket issues 😄 all are 441
where sporepods
modern brook
honestly one of the best looking sets in a long time
modern brook
oh holy
dusky canopy
latent steppe
Brother i've reached 6.607 haste. almost there 7.1k @strong forum senpai
daring marlin
Just have 4pc already smh
I KEEP LOSING ROLLS
craggy pilot
the tank explosions in Sarkareth, do they have a range dropoff or what?
daring marlin
not in p3
dusky canopy
P2 is ranged p3 you have to go down
craggy pilot
in Normal also?
dusky canopy
I KEEP LOSING ROLLS
Same same
craggy pilot
i dont think i did anything in Normal, and it didnt rly do any dmg on raid
like 5% of everyones hp maybe
daring marlin
Hopefully tonight I can get a fuckin' curio off sark
dusky canopy
The more you mitigate it the less damage it does to the raid
craggy pilot
The more you mitigate it the less damage it does to the raid
ye probably thats why then
IP too stronk
daring marlin
You were right Brew
Zskarn and Mag fell over
now people won't just scroll over my name and see 7/9H and assume I don't have AOTC despite the fact I do!
not hard just pugging is ass
daring marlin
People like to overcomplicate it
If you can survive the first 30ish seconds of P3 he falls over
dusky canopy
So like I can tank it the same as normal except p3 you have to go down right?
daring marlin
yep
dusky canopy
Kk then I’m chillin
daring marlin
Essentially
It's honestly kinda nuts how basic he is
I look back to any of the end bosses of BFA and I'm just like lol who da fook does this dragon think he is?
dusky canopy
I was stuck on rasz pugging for weeks and weeks
But it sounds like this guy is going to be way better
daring marlin
100%
toxic pewter
each week the fotm ret pallys get worse, last week it was no freedoms for entangling. This week its not taking repentance for ccing the incorps
im over here bolting up a storm
icy bane
Ye if you can get the dispel person in disc with you to call for dispels on knockback sark is p chill
And if dps are doing bombs zzzz
warm plinth
And hope they don't insta dispel duress
What if I wake up and choose violence?
daring marlin
strong forum
What if I violence and choose to wake up
ripe seal
Is it worth to go for the cloak from Zskarn even though i can get the one from 1st boss? Stat wise the cloak from 1st boss is BiS but idunno how good a 6 ilvl diff is
toxic pewter
all upgrades to be the same at the end of the day
pastel sleet
Just got my 4pc this morning. I noticed on a lot of logs for prot war that revenge casts have gone down a lot. If we are about to cap on rage do we still revenge spam or is it a wasted global?
nocturne spindle
What if I violence and choose to wake up
its okay nome tell us about your bad dream
the scary tierlists cant hurt you they were just a dream
sick sentinel
how is halls of infusion
sick sentinel
i'm not deeply in tune with that dungeon yet
sick sentinel
mostly i want to farm wyrm lvl keys
nocturne spindle
i mean nothing on wyrm level is particularly dangerous
dusky canopy
Just got my 4pc this morning. I noticed on a lot of logs for prot war that reven...
Same rules as always SS>TC>Revenge/ip as needed to not cap rage
You prefer to revenge because it does damage but if your next global available is SS or TC you would prefer to press that and if that would cap you you would press IP slightly before
untold adder
Why can't I get groups as prot? I can't get in to m+ or raid pugs, and when i run my own keys it's literally no problems at all like wtf? Are prot warriors bad or community perception hitting?
harsh garnet
Is double Shadowflame gear peices more effective than unstable if i maxed it out for proccing the ring
sick sentinel
wtf is this
fresh igloo
Why can't I get groups as prot? I can't get in to m+ or raid pugs, and when i ru...
stupid meta tier list crap.
sick sentinel
i bet i have to do all 5 of those before i can "finish" campaign
fresh igloo
yup
humble prawn
So I understand that a 15ish ilvl increase is needed to go from old 4 set to new 2 set. Is it worth keeping 2*2 set or should I go new 2 set only if it is a big ilvl upgrade?
fresh igloo
2/2 isn't bad for transition, I'd just sim the gain tho
rose orchid
I'm at 6008 haste unbuffed... should i prioritize crit over haste now?
viral elk
Why can't I get groups as prot? I can't get in to m+ or raid pugs, and when i ru...
I've seen a few people saying they can't get groups and blaming tier list jargon. I think they're just unlucky. I've had no trouble grouping.
near steppe
How much io and ilvl u have and what key lvls u apply may be the answer
thin phoenix
imo there's more tanks this season running around than healers
near steppe
I also feel that
thin phoenix
blizz doesn't know how to make affixes that punish individuals rather than the healers lol
solid sun
Everyone and their mothers are rolling prot palas
thin phoenix
take incorporeal for instance, minus dmg debuff means fights take longer and healers heal longer
solid sun
blizz doesn't know how to make affixes that punish individuals rather than the h...
They removed the one that did, flaming balls
near steppe
Everyone and their mothers are rolling prot palas
And I just want an VDH alt but im lazy to lvl up
thin phoenix
lol they buffed dps off-healing this expansion just to hit them with nerfs pretty quickly
latent steppe
still confused for m+ <_<
limpid anchor
Omni and vial prob
latent steppe
dargrul and anvil mayb?
limpid anchor
The anvil sucks, mark is bis for st, dunno what the flame thing does
Deadplate is useless
near steppe
still confused for m+ <_<
be me
Drop no trinket
Still be using icon 408
warm plinth
Anvil doesn't suck 🤔