any suggestion on this horse shit?
#protection
round socket
rose orchid
wish i could extract my shadow spark out of the 1h i crafted 2 weeks ago
quartz mist
legplates bis for now until tier
round socket
catalyst is like 4 weeks out no?
daring marlin
think so
dusky canopy
It comes out on week 6
stark gull
have a 444 neltharions call to chaos
round socket
im in 4 tier rn, just not chest.
stark gull
is it decent dps in M+
dusky canopy
Take pants and if you loot a tier chest this week you profit big
daring marlin
orange man said yes
stark gull
or i can take teir for 3p
daring marlin
incorp/spiteful
hmmm
I think I'm gonna love this week for M+
massive value for my frostfire legs
vital arch
how bad is mastery really for us, is it completely pointless on rings. halp sims borken.
uneven mason
how bad is mastery really for us, is it completely pointless on rings. halp sims...
It's not bad
uneven mason
447 tier shoulders?
hazy hazel
I have 441 tier shoulders
bitter herald
how bad is mastery really for us, is it completely pointless on rings. halp sims...
(always note that stat weight sims suck and should not be used for picking between pieces)
did one a few days ago with 0 mastery, ~3.3k crit, ~4k haste, ~2.5k verse
mastery was 4th of secondaries in ST, 2nd (after crit) in AoE
(also this doesnt consider value in defense at all)
quartz mist
think the trink aint to to bad to play around with , thats a option
hazy hazel
neck maxed sims +700~ but probably because big crit/smol haste. Tier upgrade is a ~250 increase. Omni w/ Haste and all allies is -650.
But I have 437 Grapnel/Mark. Guess it would be nice to have zero use trinkets
regal estuary
trying to decide between Trinket or Tier (would be 3rd piece) :\
vital arch
trying to decide between Trinket or Tier (would be 3rd piece) :\
did you already spend your token
regal estuary
did you already spend your token
yes, needed to for 2-set
vital arch
yes, needed to for 2-set
do you have gloves already, with 3 ez chances to get them a week its might be worth grabbing tier
regal estuary
Gloves is what I took with the token as it was tied at the biggest ilvl upgrade at the time
vital arch
just sim both and figure it out from there probably trinket will be best upgrade specially if you’re holding on to 2pc from last season
opaque hearth
are people liking faceless ire? i have a normal one in my vault. the only other item worth talking about is a 441 bracer
civic junco
hmmm
quartz mist
kiinda makin me wanna go forge
latent steppe
kiinda makin me wanna go forge
441 forge + 437 dargrul trinket made 12.2m damage dunjon overall
regal estuary
yeah right now its suggesting trinket; probably leaning that way but trying to think about what loot pools I want to take myself out of for our other raiders as well
plus tier is tier
latent steppe
kiinda makin me wanna go forge
i eq these both. darg 437 and omi 441
civic junco
yeah right now its suggesting trinket; probably leaning that way but trying to t...
don't have to fight the entire raid over the trinket if it drops
regal estuary
yeah exactly
we've just also had very little in way of warrior tokens drop for tier too so its been slim pickings
rose orchid
just a quick 30 seconds on the multi target dummies. 447 forgestorm damage insane wtf
regal estuary
my 2 piece is from vault + KSM token lol
jagged pier
that and lucky procs
ancient cosmos
cries in Forgestorm doesn't drop
rose orchid
jakey are you proud of me? first week i crafted 447 1h, then today i got 447 forgestorm and took it
prisma crane
forgestorm damage is crazy... i have it equipped 441
yea it kinda needs to be, it has no STR
tropic gorge
I know the forge pain. 9 runs plus over the weekend
Nothing
tropic gorge
Did 2 yesterday, nothing
midnight vault
damn do I take heroic Ominous Chromatic Essence or heroic helm for my 2pc?
quartz mist
yeah id wonder a comparison to 447 with pure str in the end
midnight vault
I'm kinda thinking the trinket, because everyone will roll on that trinket
rose orchid
just wish i could extract my shadow spark out of the 1h
strong forum
You and me both
prisma crane
forge still wins, but would lose out a bit on def is all
latent steppe
my boy never wavers from smashing'em brainz
vital arch
lol both my 447 rings from vault sim at a dps loss from my 424 with socket -_-
guess Im getting tokens week 2
rose orchid
going to run some keys and see how this 447 forgestorm does real world use
midnight vault
I’m not insane to take Ominous Chromatic Essence over the heroic helm, right? In a meeting so I can’t screenshot my vault, but that’s my dilemma.
latent steppe
my boy never wavers from smashing'em brainz
considering that i am using it with dargrul trinket i am loosing around 800k str lmao
latent steppe
I’m not insane to take Ominous Chromatic Essence over the heroic helm, right? In...
if OCE is hero level, take it.
midnight vault
It is. I can upgrade to Hero 4/5 for basically free.
tame jasper
going to run some keys and see how this 447 forgestorm does real world use
my 444 is about 4-5% of my damage
latent steppe
I’m not insane to take Ominous Chromatic Essence over the heroic helm, right? In...
2k rio score = heroic piece of your c hoice
3k rio score = mythic piece of your choice
real fossil
holy s that dagrul trinket damage
latent steppe
go for OCE
midnight vault
Alright. Figured, there’s way more competition for that.
latent steppe
holy s that dagrul trinket damage
Landslide is dargrul yeah
midnight vault
And yeah I’m hitting 2k this week, and we’re clearing 7/9 heroic easy. Starting Neth this week.
toxic pewter
2k rio score = heroic piece of your c hoice
3k rio score = mythic piece of your ...
wait reallly? we get another tier piece at 3k? didnt realize that
fossil cloud
Can you help me ? What is the best option for me ? My second item for tier set or the weapon
latent steppe
and at 2.5k you gain mog token for shiny head and shoulder from raid tier
latent steppe
Can you help me ? What is the best option for me ? My second item for tier set o...
brother if it was english
midnight vault
He had tier shoulders, torment neck, and..
latent steppe
i'd go for hero set shoulders since it seems forge is not hero
midnight vault
Ancient navigator helm?
latent steppe
all of em champion right
tame jasper
I would take grapnel
latent steppe
Prot kings I need your input on what to pick from my vault
if all champion then grapnel
latent steppe
grap
urban bane
2pc is kinda nice
latent steppe
grab the grapnel
urban bane
what does raidbots say :V
fossil cloud
So the shoulders ?
quartz mist
sophic or shadowflame wreathe ?
dusky canopy
Honestly I would do shoulders
midnight vault
Can you help me ? What is the best option for me ? My second item for tier set o...
In English, Onyx Crucible shoulders, Antique Navigator helm, Forgestorm.
Those are his options.
dusky canopy
So the shoulders ?
Only because 437 pog storm is farmable tier is not directly farmable
round socket
what's consensus on grabbing the x6 for scckets?
fossil cloud
Thanks for the help
latent steppe
imo only 447 forge is worth taking from vault rest can be gathered from dg farm
urban bane
you'd hafta be pretty down bad at this point for choosing sockets over other shit
urban bane
but a lot of these can be answered by "what does raidbots tell me"
sick sentinel
and i have 428 shoulders, 1/4 what do
tame jasper
and i have 428 shoulders, 1/4 what do
I would take socket
waxen wedge
Hi guys, does so. know if the infused strikes debuff of experiments is also spellblockable? Im not sure if the pinned table refers also to it since they are 2 different dmgsources and the note says "Physical hit, applies stacking magic debuff". Sry for asking a question probably already asked..
quartz mist
sophic or shadowflame wreathe ?
dusky canopy
Sophic
sick sentinel
everything there is ilvl upgrade for me
latent steppe
sophic better for def,
dusky canopy
Not only that
tame jasper
everything there is ilvl upgrade for me
but all ilvl you can easy upgrade through crests. but you cant get sockets through crests
jaunty otter
thanks for all your help gonna go with the grap most likely
dusky canopy
Wreathe has proven to be wildly inconsistent
midnight vault
Also damn. We were having trouble with Heroic Zskarn with DH and me tanking.. we swapped to DH/DK and much easier.
Those searing claws hurt bad.
dusky canopy
We swapped at 8-9 stacks and then whenever debuff fell off it wasn’t to bad
We also had 5 paladins in the group so they immune each set of bombs
midnight vault
We did 6 for first, then on debuff expiration after that. I always ended up with 10-11 stacks.
midnight vault
And yeah. I quit doing bombs, we had other things to handle it.
lusty karma
vocal nimbus
its 2 old pc + 2 new pc better than 4 old pc?
jagged pier
vocal nimbus
i simmed it and it was funky
dusky canopy
Yes you break 4pc for new 2pc
nocturne spindle
daring marlin
for sure
weary python
Wowhead has anvil as B tier, is it really that far down?
soft plume
is there a spread sheet showing the absolutely best possible rings for prot warrior cause all 3 of my options are rings
fresh igloo
sim it
vital arch
Wowhead has anvil as B tier, is it really that far down?
Anvil is rough to sim with 4 min ramp but my ret buddy gets massive value out of it when I’m chaining packs
dusky canopy
But sim yeah
lusty karma
How does everyone else sim M+ dps? Dungeon Slice or something else on raidbots?
fresh igloo
just do a ST sim and an AoE sim
lusty grotto
5 patchwerks 1.5 mins
vocal nimbus
when the healer asks for mana and that anvil stack is ticking down 
dusky canopy
How does everyone else sim M+ dps? Dungeon Slice or something else on raidbots?
M+ Patchwerk Sims
1T 3min lust
5T 1min no lust
10T 40sec lust
fresh igloo
dungeon slice is not good for prot warrior
dusky canopy
I just copy pasted what nom suggested so
lusty grotto
should be 1.5 mins
midnight vault
We oughta sticky that about simming m+
dusky canopy
It’s honestly inconsequential
lusty grotto
it shouldnt be a sticky cause everybody does it that way
midnight vault
Well I don’t because I hadn’t ever heard it before, so.
lusty grotto
every single dps does it that way
midnight vault
Yes hi, I haven’t ever played a DPS class. 😂
fresh igloo
if people keep asking the same question, clearly there's missing info somewhere lol
dusky canopy
I would say the general population of wow players don’t even know how to sim lmao
So assuming they all know the proper sim settings is kinda weird but sure
lusty grotto
Bull does love all
lusty karma
Screaming seems to be winning sims, Ominous is ranked higher per the wowhead guide, already have anchor as my other trinket
lusty grotto
alright time to not be in chat while people link their fucking ridiculous vaults
lusty karma
Sadly no not over 421 socketed seal of diurna and onyx annulet
lusty grotto
pz
plush tendon
Sadly no not over 421 socketed seal of diurna and onyx annulet
did you just sim ST?
vocal nimbus
left ring should be big in m+
plush tendon
cause a 447 ring should outpreform in aoe
so like a 5 target 40 second sim and a 8 target 40 second
soft plume
will onyx annulet always do more dmg than 447 rings
dusky canopy
You want a 447 ring for keys
dusky canopy
If one of those has good stats take it
dusky canopy
Sim Patchwerk 5 target 1 minute and compare those 3 rings against seal and onyx
dusky canopy
You’ll mostly like be replacing onyx because no stats
plush tendon
and if you fury, I bet the haste/mastery ring is biiiig
dusky canopy
Yeah I’d do one of the high haste ring for sure
plush tendon
eh, its fine
lusty karma
Somehow nothing is simming higher:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wXQuWGpdKQsJ77o7WT7rM1
plush tendon
dusky canopy
Wow
plush tendon
Somehow nothing is simming higher:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wXQuWG...
try adding more targets
make it 8 targets for instance
lusty karma
Yeah pretty much running that build
It thinks the crit mastery ring on 8 targets 1 min no lust :/
dusky canopy
I must say I’m surprised
lusty grotto
use 1.5 mins
plush tendon
crit is worth a lot for dps
lusty grotto
5 targets
dusky canopy
I’ve been under the guise that 441 rings replace annulet
oblique kayak
2k rio score = heroic piece of your c hoice
3k rio score = mythic piece of your ...
3k a joke or are you serious?
lusty grotto
1.5 mins, 5 targets
dusky canopy
I’ll change my copy pasta if you’re confident
latent steppe
thats what i heard brother
dusky canopy
I just know my copy pasta is from nom
plush tendon
must be stale pasta
lusty karma
Still no rings - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uddrZfCAvJKtCYwwUbL5dq
plush tendon
lacking that red sauce
lusty karma
thinks screaming black dragonscale, somehow haste/vers and haste/mas rings (haste heavy) both lose, maybe cause of into the fray, does haste falloff?
lusty grotto
it is what it is
plush tendon
plush tendon
thinks screaming black dragonscale, somehow haste/vers and haste/mas rings (hast...
ITF makes haste more valuable
lusty karma
Even over 40%, thought falloffs started at like 30% iirc so thought that could impact it
dusky canopy
Instyle I don’t understand why that’s simming the way it is
I thought the TC guy figured this out already
lusty grotto
you guys shouldn't be surprised diurna and onyx are this high
lusty karma
Same I recall something saying 441 rings should beat onyx
dusky canopy
I mean I know they’re good I just thought it was said they get replaced in aoe by 441s
That appears to not be the case
plush tendon
you guys shouldn't be surprised diurna and onyx are this high
copium
wanting to get rid of stupid s1 rings
lusty karma
Yeah it's in the pins:
For M+:
This ring is no longer viable for m+ once you have 440+ rings.
plush tendon
dusky canopy
Yeah see
dusky canopy
Also nom
5target 1m no lust
Or
5target 1.5m no lust
lusty grotto
which is the ST ring
dusky canopy
Just curious
dusky canopy
which is the ST ring
Yes exactly
dusky canopy
Oh word yeah I thought the same tbh lol
lusty grotto
blue icon lmao
lusty karma
yeah i have 2 rings, one with storm another with freezing
lusty grotto
yeah same
nome did state
that 440+ rings are better for perfect play
thats the only thing that doesnt make sense for a sim
cause sim SHOULD have perfect play
lusty karma
Yep and 447 not 441
dusky canopy
cause sim SHOULD have perfect play
Right that’s why I’m confused
strong forum
Also nom
5target 1m no lust
Or
5target 1.5m no lust
both work
dusky canopy
Thank you for clarifying
strong forum
the thing to keep in mind
sure annulet sims better on 5 targets for a while
BUT
its decently small and you lose alot of defensive value
strong forum
also on 7t annulet is practically equal to a good ring
and on 10t annulet is a 2k loss
with my current gear*
strong forum
reminder that for ultra keys in last season you didnt even play annulet
so rn its just falling off even more
lusty karma
So then 447 haste/vers ring maybe? Feels bad running forgestorm and annulet
dusky canopy
Take annulet out of the sim and re sim all 3
lusty grotto
i would go with ascended frost especially for key pushes
dusky canopy
High Haste + Vers is prob the play
plush tendon
lusty karma
Yeah that's what I was leaning, I do 20+ keys and do enjoy pushing io
pale hill
What do you think would be a better upgrade?
dusky canopy
What do you think would be a better upgrade?
Yours is a simple sim
lusty grotto
pale hill
sim just does dps tho. I'm looking for an overall assessment.
dusky canopy
Haste >>>>>>
plush tendon
haste is my favorite stat
dusky canopy
The overall assessment you’ll get from us is to take the one that does the most damage
plush tendon
nothing more fun then smashing buttons faster
dusky canopy
Witch would lead you back to simming
lusty grotto
the overall assessment is always ilvl > all
dusky canopy
Also true
lusty grotto
and what brew says
karmic plinth
your best dps upgrade will be your best survival upgrade too
lusty karma
Is 421 seal of diurna with a socket just bis for everything all season?
plush tendon
its hard to replace
dusky canopy
For ST yes
plush tendon
sockets are worth a lot
plush tendon
and the proc is super strong
lusty grotto
for aoe, depends
plush tendon
maybe a crafted haste/crit ring overtakes it
lusty grotto
im still fucking malding over this vault
i havent picked up anything
its been open on my screen all this time
dusky canopy
Don’t worry nim I’ll probably be in the same boat
plush tendon
I got another 5 hours before I can see mine 😦
raw gyro
Do i play the generic m+ build if i have 0 tier?
final mist
Same
dusky canopy
I’ll get back to you in about 9 hours LOL
sick sentinel
im still fucking malding over this vault
take the yogi pepega pill and don't mald out about anything.
dusky canopy
Yogi what’s todays clip?
sick sentinel
if some shit happens and you die to some bullshit, you just go whut happun? and log off
lusty grotto
honestly thinking about taking the stupid 2 hander
final mist
Can't wait to be gigajuiced and have to choose between Pogstorm, Asscandy, Voice cape and OCE 
lusty grotto
its either that or raid horn
plush tendon
honestly thinking about taking the stupid 2 hander
honestly, I would
dusky canopy
We ride
plush tendon
raid horn is boo
dusky canopy
plush tendon
and maybe you can dabble in some fury or arms
dusky canopy
Hey wait if I have 441 1h and 447 shield can I get free 441 2hs?
I think that’s how that works right
lusty grotto
i hope to god i dont see an ashkandur
lusty grotto
😢
daring marlin
imagine! big 2h and askkandur
imagine the legion artifact hidden shield with ashkandur
lusty grotto
k you guys convinced me
daring marlin
what key you get fam
final mist
Welcome to the dps side brother
dusky canopy
Waiting for the day we can mog 2hs over 1hs
lusty grotto
nelthie
daring marlin
I love DPS just not arms atm
I'll prolly play with fury some
I must like bleeds cuz the last time I did CSHB was bis in BFA.
dusky canopy
Wait is there a good cshb build?
final mist
Wait is there a good cshb build?
It's used with 4p
daring marlin
Isn't that the play with the new tier?
final mist
Not before
dusky canopy
Does that go with annihilator build too?
daring marlin
which one is incorp again?
final mist
The CSHB tier build is great, you import a WA that makes a kaching sound and then press BT then and only then 👍
daring marlin
is that the one that you need to heal?
dusky canopy
The CSHB tier build is great, you import a WA that makes a kaching sound and the...
Perfect
Does it like chamber a shotgun shell
dull zodiac
how can u get correct timers on sunder on 2nd NL boss?
dusky canopy
Or something
dull zodiac
my dbm is always wrong
final mist
I changed mine to an MLG airhorn LOL
sick sentinel
here's the clip, this is the "everyone died to cloudburst" picture i showed a few days ago
dusky canopy
Switch to bigwigs
sick sentinel
*larger file size for mobile user warning
lusty grotto
SR on pull
daring marlin
nvm incorp is cc guy
dull zodiac
Switch to bigwigs
bigwigs shilling or ur sure theyre actually correct?
dusky canopy
Big wigs has been better for me in my experience
dull zodiac
i see
dusky canopy
But to each there own
lusty grotto
it's not when sunder will go off, its just telling you its off cd
dusky canopy
I thought the dbm dev said it wasn’t his main focus anymore
sick sentinel
i dunno how to set up outplayed not to record youtube background music, but im not complaining either
dull zodiac
thanks nim and brew
final mist
You can also get a WA that'll track mob CDs and look at that
That's how I keep track of most M+ mob important ability CDs
final mist
^
dusky canopy
It’s pog
lusty grotto
some plater profiles have those
daring marlin
when I made the switch to big/littlewigs I never went back
dusky canopy
^
daring marlin
DBM way too fuckin' annoying and intrusive
final mist
Also get plater
daring marlin
and I am not about to go in and modify that bullshit
final mist
Plater is good
crude spruce
dusky canopy
Yes
daring marlin
Also get plater
plater bis
I just stole quazii's profile
it's gr8
do the color coding for me
dusky canopy
I’m a Naowh enjoyer
lusty grotto
quazi and dorki are free
final mist
Me two weeks ago: "I'm good without plater, neatplates is great"
Me two days ago using Plater for the first time: "damn this is pretty good"
lusty grotto
and are very good
daring marlin
LMAO
lusty grotto
yeah i have naowh
olive bay
I'm still using Cev's plater from my rogue - maybe I should update
sick sentinel
my WA is supposed to show all abilities above the plater plates and then it has like an icond of a a bomb a fist slam and a darkness attack, and then it puts a CD number beside that.
but the weak aura won't update
dusky canopy
I don’t use Naowhs full ui installer because I’ve found it to be too buggy and his discord minions get real spicy when people ask questions lol
lusty grotto
yeah
dusky canopy
But I use his WAs, plater profile, & omnicd profiles
lusty grotto
they are
dusky canopy
They’re sweet
sick sentinel
plater* sorry to correct
final mist
Most of my stuff is my own, aside from a couple bits and pieces. I'm using Quazi's plater profile atm
I'll probably make my own at some point when I sit down and figure out how it all works
sick sentinel
you know, both the auto complete and non auto complete typing on phones are both fucking horribly cursed.
sick sentinel
its like, im talking about arthas and it thinks i meant to say artichokes
or athrimathetics
dusky canopy
Also to note I only use Naowh because I toss my free prime sub at him if it wasn’t for that I’d just use a free option
Quazzi or dorki as mentioned are both great
And free
final mist
My free prime goes to my homies
plush tendon
I took not ui from wago and made some edits
sick sentinel
what determines how many lvl 3 crest pieces do you get from dungeon
plush tendon
works pretty well and I learned how to quickly make some weakauras on my own 🙂
sick sentinel
because i only give a fuck about get the lvl 3 crest pieces (or more bluntly) lvl 3 crests
dusky canopy
Uh
final mist
what determines how many lvl 3 crest pieces do you get from dungeon
Crest amounts are always same no matter level
You get 12 for timing
5 for not timing
dusky canopy
I think you want to know that you get level 3 crests from 11-15 dungeons
final mist
The type of crest is determined by key level
dusky canopy
Is that what you’re asking?
sick sentinel
this is my sole goal in life now cuz i have none and i want to try to min max it a bit, i have 12 peices from the +12 we ran UR and 3 chests
final mist
So you need Wyrm's
sick sentinel
i dunno what the fuck counts and doesnt count towards bump up the amounts i get
final mist
Those are 11-15s like brew said
Time them and you'll get 12, if you don't time it you still get 5
Unless you're capped
In which case you get none
sick sentinel
and, so, if i do 16s - 20's and beyond i guess it is, i get ascept pieces and nothing else
dusky canopy
I wish I could spend like 20 Drake to get 1 wyrm or something
sick sentinel
so, its like, if i do mythic raid ill get aspects and if i do heroic i get wyrm i guess it is, lvl3 anyway
dusky canopy
They’re useless
sick sentinel
ya damn shit, cuz i need a source of getting the lvl 3 ones seems liek m+ is best optiopn
final mist
Ideally you'd still do 17s since the gear from them goes higher
dusky canopy
Yeah don’t bother farming wyrm just do the raid
sick sentinel
i do like raiding, i just, its alot of people to try to blend in together with
trim bay
Plus 16s are lame.
final mist
tbf you font have to blend with everyone
trim bay
Yea
sick sentinel
its alot of giga poker face you have to put on to pug into raiding i feel like or something, cant put my finger on it exactly
dusky canopy
No way sal are you human?
final mist
No
dusky canopy
I thought we were all robots
final mist
I'm built different
lusty grotto
im kinda worried the frag farm will make any lvl 10 or lower key obsolete, no more bonus valor runs and stuff, the lower end will suffer a bit. I've already seen next to no tanks or healers queueing up for anything under 20 on my ret pal
trim bay
Every pug this raid I have done no one has been toxic
final mist
But not in a good qay
trim bay
Rather strange
final mist
I'm built wrong
noble prism
wearing 2x Shadowflame, proc more often or dmg increase?
final mist
Damage increase
sick sentinel
im still not over losing the valor system just yet
final mist
Proc rate is RNG so you can get. Lucky or unlucky
Generally it's like 4-8% of my damage overall in key, depends on key
sick sentinel
im not saying i dislike the new one at all
dusky canopy
The new system is a lot to digest but it is simply better
daring marlin
im still not over losing the valor system just yet
It's the same thing but just way better
in every conceivable way
final mist
Yeah
lusty grotto
except for the lower io pop
or for lower keys in general
but yes to everything else
daring marlin
disagree
dusky canopy
They’re fine you guys underestimate the size of the lower key population
daring marlin
you still get heroic track gear from vault in 10+ keys
final mist
I believe you still get a bonus in lower keys
daring marlin
which are super free
dusky canopy
We’re like 5% of the population guys
lusty grotto
thats not the point
dusky canopy
If not smaller
lusty grotto
the point is people arent doing bonus valor farms
because its non-existant
so the queues for the lower end are way longer
daring marlin
nobody liked that
lusty grotto
but that's gone
dusky canopy
Yeah I guess I could see that the lower brackets don’t have anyone carrying them anymore but I don’t know how long there ques are necessarily
final mist
Honestly the bonus Valor was a crutch propping it up
dusky canopy
There’s loads more of them
final mist
The only real way to fix that issue is to get more people to play healers and tanks
lusty grotto
brew the problem is that will create a huge fissure
daring marlin
healers especially
lusty grotto
what it called... the trench?
daring marlin
holy shit dude
final mist
And that's an issue that blizzard needs to actually actively work on the community on
dusky canopy
Yeah point taken
lusty grotto
they did a good job for tanks
dusky canopy
That’s fair
sick sentinel
4
sick sentinel
soon, i will have no repair costs
lusty grotto
YEA LETS MAKE EVERYTHING TWICE AS HARD THIS SEASON FOR HEALERS
dusky canopy
Healers are dead because healer is the worst roll right now
final mist
Healing and tanking is scary and difficult for new players and the community doesn't help with how toxic its seen as and can be
And blizzard doesn't help at all
sick sentinel
only thing i will have to repair is cloak
dusky canopy
“Worst” in terms of difficulty
lusty grotto
agreed agreed
final mist
They've made healing easier this season with the removal of affixes traditionally seen as "lol healer skill issue"
Like explosive
But the biggest problem is community
dusky canopy
Sure but then they fucked em over by making everything twice as hard to heal
Woopty ding you don’t have to do explosives now
daring marlin
Part of me likes the change because when you have a good healer
dusky canopy
Lolololol
final mist
Yeah but that's a numbers tuning issue
daring marlin
Like holy shit it's insane the difference between a mid and great healer
final mist
Something like explosive is just adding more onto an already scary experience for a new person
Yknow what I mean
daring marlin
I hope that shit never comes back
final mist
Same
daring marlin
keep it in the dustbin of history
daring marlin
that were fast af
lusty grotto
sanguine does fucking suck ass
dusky canopy
Idk kind of a hot take but I think explosives was easier than this new thing we have today
daring marlin
BETTER BRING A BOP
dusky canopy
At least explosives was doable by 1 player
This new shit requires everyone to deal with it
daring marlin
sanguine would suck way less too if they STOPPED MAKING RANGED MOBS WITHOUT RELIABLE PLACES TO LOS
prisma crane
only thing i will have to repair is cloak
hell yea, nice work lol
sick sentinel
Idk kind of a hot take but I think explosives was easier than this new thing we ...
i think thats sort of the point, the explosive is terrorist rules, don't play by our rules we're gunna blow you up
dusky canopy
sanguine would suck way less too if they STOPPED MAKING RANGED MOBS WITHOUT RELI...
For real
daring marlin
they prolly keep it in to throw a bone to dks
dusky canopy
Yep
lusty grotto
yeah
dusky canopy
They need to have relevance somewhere
lusty grotto
raging rings a bell
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
100% they keep these affixes to shake up meta comps or whatever the fuck
which is ok
i honestly dont think that's a big deal
the only problem is classes that can do everything
like paladin
dusky canopy
Yeah I’m cool with it too anything to mess with the meta slaves is welcomed
That shit tilts me I won’t deny it lol
oblique kayak
im got a affixes that only effects palllys
lusty grotto
should just give grip and soothe to pallies and call it a day
dusky canopy
LOL
lusty grotto
and lust of course
dusky canopy
“20% of damage you ignore with ignore pain is added as a absorb to your party members within 40yards”
We need this and lust
oblique kayak
like „this week all pallys have their gear damage tripled“
dusky canopy
And we’re gaming
rustic shadow
Anyone have any experience with Homeland Raid Horn, I heard the SIM numbers might be a bait?
dusky canopy
Bad
oblique kayak
bait
lusty grotto
i took a 2 hander over it
dusky canopy
There’s better options
rustic shadow
Damn, thank you!
wicked stream
Does any one have a WA to track the dmg buff we get from our 4pc once last stand fades?
dusky canopy
Idk if you really need to spend brain load on that
Just send LS and blast
But I’m sure it exists yea, I just don’t have one
fading sand
Maybe I'm stupid but it seems to me that sometimes I cast spell blocks on spells that the guide says are blockable and still take damage
How exactly does it work?
sick sentinel
so, its gunna be like the entire friggin world of warcraft retial is gunna be farming 11-15's or 16's-20's RN on repeat
cuz, im gunna need a million crests
dusky canopy
Maybe I'm stupid but it seems to me that sometimes I cast spell blocks on spells...
Are you also maintaining shield block?
fading sand
Yes
jagged pier
blocking doesnt reduce damage completely
prisma crane
you still take dmg
jagged pier
u still take damage
fading sand
Oh okay
prisma crane
i appreciate our different choices on which word to abbreviate
sick sentinel
blocking doesnt reduce damage completely
i want to be a jack ass and say you could at one point 100% block with spell block , but its like, 85% or so for melee yeah
jagged pier
if spell block is still bugged it can immune on a crit but thats rng
fading sand
xD know i understand so spell block reduce damage with block chance
prisma crane
so, its gunna be like the entire friggin world of warcraft retial is gunna be fa...
you can actually catch up and get enough pretty quickly
jagged pier
yes it just makes u block spell like u block physical attacks
prisma crane
especially since once you upgrade an item w/ crests once @sick sentinel you dont need crests anymore to upgrade a new piece in that slot
fading sand
ty
sick sentinel
TIP: You cannot block fire dragon puts fiire circle on ground say, or it does a 180 degree fire half circle attack
or say it is, a fire infused cleave and hits everyone in front, probably not as well.
sick sentinel
go fire this person
dusky canopy
Lmao
latent steppe
do we ever press on whirlwind or simply remove it from skill bar?
sick sentinel
im telling asmongold
lusty grotto
do we ever press on whirlwind or simply remove it from skill bar?
remove it, read pins
fresh igloo
do we ever press on whirlwind or simply remove it from skill bar?
prot does not use WW
or slam
dusky canopy
LOL
prisma crane
idk why people care
lusty grotto
any classic andy that compains is kind of a hypocrite
plush tendon
I do like classic hardmode though
lusty grotto
they buy gold off gold sellers but NO TOKEN NO TOKEN
sick sentinel
he might flip his lids, he mighgt say he doesn't care because its on wrath and he doesn't play that
prisma crane
if you have a real job, its 10x better use of your time to jsut do that shit than farm for 2 hours to get like 10k
plush tendon
but Wrath.... I honestly cant tell you the difference between Retail and Wrath other then the content in retail is better
prisma crane
many would argue the lore is better
and nostalgia is still a powerful thing
nothing wrong with that
its not for me but options are nice
lusty grotto
its also great for people that never done it before
plush tendon
and I leveled to 80 and did Nax for like 2 months
I will say Thaddius prepared me for Raz though
I know my ++++++--------
prisma crane
lol
dusky canopy
Yeah Krotos i agree
If you’re not able to sell boosts tokens are the next best option
prisma crane
i think the only counterargument that could be made would be for blizzard to help reduce inflation
because it's pretty clear that they want people to spend a lot of gold
and its kinda shit for average players to get it
plush tendon
damn, thanks Biden Ion; now we got WoW inflation
prisma crane
but its obvious they want ppl to buy them, so in THAT regard it's scummy
plush tendon
dusky canopy
Lmfao
prisma crane
fuck me, the fed's been causing inflation for a long, long time
lusty grotto
but that's enough politics
plush tendon
Ion?
prisma crane
its the other guy
currently woman
dusky canopy
I won’t comment with specifics because some people can’t handle politics and this is a public place
prisma crane
and yea, im keeping it broad, anyone who likes inflation is weird
or has lots of IRL gold lmao
lusty grotto
wow inflation is due to gold sellers
dusky canopy
All I’m going to say is my pockets were alot fuller 4 years ago
lusty grotto
and how rampant it is
dusky canopy
prisma crane
not wrong
either of you lol
but blizz can help if they wanted to, its just a balance though so they dont mettle w/ the economy too hard
so it has to happen between xpacs, which is hard to predict
lusty grotto
gold selling/bots are incredibly difficult to control, anyone thinking you can just do 2 clicks of a mouse and eliminate the problem is very very wrong
prisma crane
they just need to make materials abundant AF, this way the interaction of trade and skills is about player contact, not transactional only
lusty grotto
its very similar to competitive game hacks and shit
prisma crane
well yea, that's just a never ending cat and mouse
though some cats are better...
looking at Fortnite, cheaters are few and far between, CoD though....
lusty grotto
and CoD has kernel layer anti cheat
prisma crane
but i just think Epic cares more than Activision
lusty grotto
i dont think that's totally true
prisma crane
they certainly respond faster
prisma crane
GL!
cinder nova
Wanna bet I get dogshit?
lusty grotto
i mean in principle i agree but its not the reason why there are less hackers
cinder nova
Taking all bets.
small quail
We can help with incorporal with the Menace Talent. But what talent point should we sacrifice for it?
dusky canopy
Nah you getting a pog 447 item
prisma crane
well i hope you get something dope
cinder nova
Loading into Valdrakken, lemme get you boys the fates
prisma crane
We can help with incorporal with the Menace Talent. But what talent point should...
just see if your team can get it instead
dusky canopy
We can help with incorporal with the Menace Talent. But what talent point should...
Do not do this you will fear the packs into other packs and die
cinder nova
HOLY SHIT
small quail
Menace knocks al things back and keeps them in place.
cinder nova
dusky canopy
Hahahahhahaha
lusty grotto
i hate you
plush tendon
dusky canopy
Fucking told you bro
prisma crane
i mean you gotta take the bracers
dusky canopy
cinder nova
i hate you
lusty grotto
congrats for real
cinder nova
The prophet speaks
prisma crane
yes yes, well done sir!
lusty grotto
im getting the feeling i will never get it, just like i never got fucking strike twice
such is life
dusky canopy
Nim you might have to game the rng and race change
tame jasper
uldaman 20 check - all 20 portals check 🥳 No gimem nice vault tomorrow 😄
quartz mist
yeah good thing i took pogstorm over tier pants , walked into the raid. came out with helm and pants tier LOL
dusky canopy
You need a new id
quartz mist
so EZ
lusty grotto
Nim you might have to game the rng and race change
but i just did like 2 weeks ago
quartz mist
4 piece bonus now , is the 4pc big ?
dusky canopy
cinder nova
yeah good thing i took pogstorm over tier pants , walked into the raid. came out...
I got lucky and was just funneled a lot of tier week 2 so we got like 8 or 9 4p sets across the entire mythic raid team from a couple full clears back-to-back.
dusky canopy
4 piece bonus now , is the 4pc big ?
It’s nice it does like 5k in a key
Obviously that will vary
cinder nova
I like the 4p. It feels good that pressing SS in AOE is our best choice every time besides refreshing dots
lusty grotto
dont think i like the t19 shoulder part
but the rest looks good
isnt that just t20 though
dusky canopy
Lol just shoot ‘em apparently
cinder nova
Just t20 boots and gloves.
The belt is from TotGC
The pants/shoulder is the greens from the zaralek story quests
Then the other shoulder is T19 H
And I got H Kitewing and the advanced Scale of Neltharion sword with the Earth-Warder's Blessing glow
Gotta fit the patch
mighty valley
I'm never a fan of huge shoulders, especially mismatched, and I personally think the fire crown is corny, but everything else looks hot
sick sentinel
i mean really though, is it that bad
i bet ur just mad and jealouse that you didn't come up with it first
transmog looks good to me
warm plinth
My paladin's vault this week...
mighty valley
is the game telling you to be a traitor
sick sentinel
but pink is a girls color
warm plinth
🤔
warm plinth
D:
sick sentinel
warm plinth
But yeah sadly haven't played my pwar this season. Lost my M+ team so just went with whatever would give me easy invites
sick sentinel
oh i just play whatever until i don't want to play it any more
flat bramble
i cant find the weak aura for the t30 bonus
crude notch
but pink is a girls color
?
acoustic oasis
Pog
warm plinth
My rogue got tokens and it's the first week I even did keys on her :/
crude notch
What year do you live in Yogi
Incorporeal gonna be the thing that makes me hard swap to ppal
final mist
I'm still stuck in underrot
warm plinth
Yeah I think she's only gotten one drop thus far which was the really annoying uldaman trinket
the longboat raid thing
warm plinth
It's just so annoying to use
crude notch
what flavor do people think saying "i mean" all the time adds to statements?
warm plinth
LOL
warm plinth
what flavor do people think saying "i mean" all the time adds to statements?
I've actually really been trying to stop doing that because it just sounds kinda dickish lol
sick sentinel
and its a class known for dying alot
final mist
what flavor do people think saying "i mean" all the time adds to statements?
It's a versatile addition
Kinda like fuck
Can mean a lot of things
fresh igloo
human language is full of filler words. you have to explicitly train yourself out of using them, and most people type as they speak.
sick sentinel
honestly i just prefer to decide pre-key my keys interrupt composition.
daring marlin
human language is full of filler words. you have to explicitly train yourself ou...
get outta here with your logic
inland mesa
which tier slot is supposed to be off piece?
crude notch
It's a versatile addition
no, it's condescending and underhanded 99 times out of 100.
there's no versatility to it
fast knot
Legs don't have haste but I'd assume you would need a sim depending on gear
crude notch
However
sick sentinel
melee kicks are shorter cd but they have to get in range, so they are good for spammy cast dungeons, ranged is better for mission imposseible snipe the 1 guy that if he casts his spell he heals to full and wipes the group and they don't have to stand in melee, then its just deciding if i want 2 melee or 2 ranged dps
daring marlin
just weirdos being weird
fast knot
Like I would swap to leg tier if I landed 447 obvi but for my current scenario they play worse than the other slots at regular item level
sick sentinel
https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1660581812081500163 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
final mist
no, it's condescending and underhanded 99 times out of 100.
Because people use it prior to condescending statements
It doesn't have to be
vast sleet
Whats a better tanking trink for focusing M+, https://www.wowhead.com/item=137338/shard-of-rokmora vs https://www.wowhead.com/item=203714/ward-of-faceless-ire?
final mist
Neither, really. We don't generally use defensive trinkets as a rule because we don't need them
Can use either if you have to tho
vast sleet
ah
final mist
I would lean towards Ward
true raven
any value in still using Whetstone for big AoE pulls in M+? or are we to avoid it now?
true raven
ah ok. Besides ravager and TC, any advice for keeping threat against a devoker? Besides AoE taunting
their AoE opener seems ridiculous threat wise
fast knot
Tell him to not blow Dragonrage on pull or he can keep cosplaying as roadkill
daring marlin
all scaleys must die
true raven
lmaaooo
true raven
i'll frame that for him and put it up on the wall behind his PC
fast knot
You shoulda been arms for DbtS
Dumb dragons die to regular mechanics, I'd assume they get smarter and realize the mail curse is real and they can't tank packs
daring marlin
based sal
final mist
Speaking of based
@strong forum how many runs did it take you for loot from nelth
I'm almost ready to resort to trying to streamer luck my way into a Vial
scenic grove
Should I choose 444ilvl crit/mastery ring (20ilvl upgrade) or 424ilvl Beacon to the Beyond
daring marlin
second he turned on stream it took one dungeon for pogstorm so
give it a shot brother
final mist
Washed up tank pov inc
final mist
Should I choose 444ilvl crit/mastery ring (20ilvl upgrade) or 424ilvl Beacon to ...
I would personally take the Beacon since that's harder to get
I don't know what trinkets you have tho
scenic grove
crap season 1 tinkets 408ilvl icon and 421 whelping
plush tendon
which is pretty good
final mist
Then take Beacon and juice it to max ilevel
hardy snow
shit mastery ring vs one of best trinkets that can be upgraded to 437, indeed hard choice
scenic grove
lol good point
sonic moon
does spell block work with magic dots actively on you
silk sandal
No
sonic moon
okay. thats what i thought. ty.
silk sandal
Spell reflect's damage reduction will reduce the tickign damage for its duration however
Spell block only allows you to block incoming magic damage. Its the same way block doesn't help with bleeds
daring marlin
silk sandal
Every dungeon I do, I am closer and closer to race changing to dwarf
But then I remember how ugly they are
And that I probably need to swap class for raid lol
I was prepping for rashok prog and there were six public prot warrior logs 🙃
Most other tank specs were 50-100+
final mist
But then I remember how ugly they are
That's what the engineering toy is for
And class swapping only really matters if you're super top tier competitive
final mist
what are the stat for warrior legs
Crit/Vers
silk sandal
And class swapping only really matters if you're super top tier competitive
Plan is 5/9M this week. So not super top tier but it helps. Paladin just has so many tools available. The dwarf would be for bleed dispel in keys though 😛
Also seeing the current logs of 95 percentile tank damage in mythic and seeing prot warrior at the bottom…
Means I could be both bringing more utility and more damage
It’s likely I’ll be swapping for the later bosses. Right now I’m in warrior jail for battle shout haha
But have a ret/fury dps-er who will be swapping from ret to fury around there too
silk sandal
sick sentinel
i like spell block regardless
another "don't die" button, fantastic
imagine if AM included spell block on list of things it CDR'd
small quail
Also seeing the current logs of 95 percentile tank damage in mythic and seeing p...
My guild is actually bossting a paladin for me to switch to full time. Thinks a prot warrior will hold us back in mythic
proper roost
raid tank damage parses are always shit to gauge off of
plush tendon
My guild is actually bossting a paladin for me to switch to full time. Thinks a ...
lol
final mist
Hey a lot of the time raid leaders are too
"Grip is marginally useful for this fight so we're going to sit you and pull in a frost dk that will go blood who will do 10% of your dps and force your cotank and our healers to carry him so he can cast mass grip once and not even handle the add CCs like he's supposed to"
sick sentinel
i would be tempted to take the boost and use it on whatever the hell i wanted and quit the guild
final mist
I'm not bitter
silk sandal
Yeah to be clear, it is 100% my decision to consider swapping and it was me who brought it up 😛
sick sentinel
prot warrior is fine
silk sandal
I have been getting 90+ damage parses on mythic prog fights all expansion (except brood because I was boss tank 😦 ). So they trust that if I swap I won’t be Garbo haha
sick sentinel
if he thinks it will hold you guys back there is a good chance he is just an idiot
daring marlin
@dusky canopy gonna need you to manifest ashkandur or tier shoulders to drop and for me to win the roll bud
thx in advance
small quail
if he thinks it will hold you guys back there is a good chance he is just an idi...
Explain. They think I dont have enough answers for the magic damage in some encounters.
sick sentinel
it's never really an issue thats going to make or break the raid
silk sandal
The magic damage is what I am stressing about tbh
The later bosses have soooo much magic damage. Like everything is magic
I am calling for externals the entire p1 of heroic sarkareth lol. Can’t wait till the numbers get bigger
small quail
it's never really an issue thats going to make or break the raid
I'll give you an example. Heroic Zskarn.
Expectation: Soak bombs if you're not currently tanking boss.
Me: Not generating rage because i'm not hitting the boss or getting hit,with 8 stacks of claw. "guess i'll die"
silk sandal
I'll give you an example. Heroic Zskarn.
Expectation: Soak bombs if you're not ...
We put ret paladins and hunters on bombs for our group lol
pallid quiver
I'll give you an example. Heroic Zskarn.
Expectation: Soak bombs if you're not ...
or you tell 3rd tank to soak bombs
according to sense, that's actually the strat
silk sandal
Claw stack + bomb dot + out of range of healers potentially
sick sentinel
i love how dps players just elect healers and tanks for doing the mechanics
silk sandal
I believe it is listed as a tank mechanic in dungeon journal
final mist
I'm not raiding this tier (yet) but yeah, isn't the strat for Zskarn to just 3T it?
3rd tank is just bomb bitch
Or so I've heard
warm plinth
On mythic yeah
pallid quiver
I haven't done raid, but I'm pretty positive those bombs will murder a DPS if people are considering a third tank
small quail
On mythic you get a third tank just for bombs?
final mist
Thqt's why the DPS who do it have immunities
small quail
I mean, a prot paladin can just say "fuck you" and divine shield soak them
warm plinth
Not sure if it's for bombs but Sense mentioned a third tank
frail breach
is sonic BOOM and thundering earth worht it for M+? over dragon roar, i feel like i GIGA pump in avatar window with shockwave
warm plinth
No
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> gonna need you to manifest ashkandur or tier shoulders to ...
Ashkandur is in your future sir
silk sandal
I mean, a prot paladin can just say "fuck you" and divine shield soak them
Bop works too =P. Can just bop anyone and have them do it
warm plinth
Using a CC (and a short one at that) as a dps button is shit. And it's less damage
final mist
Not sure if it's for bombs but Sense mentioned a third tank
I don't see what they would be for if it weren't bombs but I've only smacked the boss as a dps
warm plinth
Yeah I've only done normal so definitely not needed there
hallow phoenix
I'm sitting on 2pc with legs (437) +chest (441). Got 447 legs in vault and 441 shoulders. The legs are the right grab right and just continue farming 4pc from raid?
silk sandal
No downside to third tank since it’s not really a dps race and it makes it safe right.
icy bane
3T h pug just makes it cozy tanking
silk sandal
I'm sitting on 2pc with legs (437) +chest (441). Got 447 legs in vault and 441 s...
Depends on your goals. Legs long term will be better. Taking shoulders will get you to 4p faster
icy bane
Anyone done any keys yet? Do incorporeals spawn near your group or off in Africa?
warm plinth
Or just bring 5 paladins
We unironically have 5 paladins in our group lol
hallow phoenix
maybe i just wait until after heroic today
silk sandal
Got a holy paladin to spare haha? We just get 1-2 rshaman apps every day 🙃
small quail
not to mention a monk can just stagger nhis DOT or say "fuck you" with fortifying brew.
final mist
As for the magic damage later on, there was never really a tier where I ever felt like the magic damage wouldn't be handleable so long as I played correctly, I don't see why this tier would be any different. Sure it might've been easier on another tank, but I don't like to play other tanks. Your choice ofc.
silk sandal
Is that really choices?
ruby musk
lol no