(admittedly i run arms to do that though)
#protection
bitter herald
warm plinth
haste/crit generally but it doesn't really matter
bitter herald
haste crit so you can arms offspec 😛
sonic path
sick sentinel
how am i supposed to upgrade shield from 424 to whatever is next bracket
warm plinth
how am i supposed to upgrade shield from 424 to whatever is next bracket
You can't upgrade to the next bracket.
sick sentinel
You can't upgrade to the next bracket.
like the primal infusions?
warm plinth
That's not a bracket really. It's just a craft.
sick sentinel
right, well, i have the base shield 424
warm plinth
Either use enchanted wyrm crest to get to 437 or enchanted aspect crest for 447
sick sentinel
in the past you got pirmal focuses to upgrade craft them to a new bracket
bitter herald
get enchanter to craft enchanted crest for you
final mist
Yes, you craft an item from enchanters now and then use that
bitter herald
stick it on your item like its a primal infusion
final mist
final mist
There's a cap on all crests every week
bitter herald
yeah, hover over your fragments to see
final mist
The cap increases if you're behind
warm plinth
yogi come on man, you're killing me smalls
final mist
I.E. its 150 of each crest fragment every week, if you only get 100 the first week then the next week you can loot up to 200 more until you're "caught up"
sick sentinel
ahh, well, you have to remember this is me some times
im old and all the things that come along with it
warm plinth
How old are you
bitter herald
I.E. its 150 of each crest fragment every week, if you only get 100 the first we...
i thought it was just a cap that raised each week like valour did?
huh
final mist
That's what I said
sick sentinel
well, im probably not oldest in this room
nocturne spindle
only mentally
sick sentinel
under rot was a good dungeon
You all forget how easy you had it back compared to bfa, back in my days we had to press devestator
bitter herald
0.0
final mist
You all forget how easy you had it back compared to bfa, back in my days we had ...
That's all?
Back in my day I had to make the raid wait for three Sunders
👴
warm plinth
I've been playing since classic and I wasn't even really young then XD
Back in the wonderful days of waiting until my next auto attack for Maul to go off
final mist
Back when prot warriors were actually arms 
kind urchin
Back in my day we had to press sunder armor.
sick sentinel
well, i didn't play warrior in 2004
daring marlin
well, im probably not oldest in this room
HOW OLD
sick sentinel
lvl 40
warm plinth
Actual grandpa
daring marlin
tell us stories of the old internet granddad
final mist
🐻
sick sentinel
herpedmyderp, come from a boogie2988 video + warrior don't use intel
then i swapped to alliance and he's zedek warrior character from hexen,
and now he's tankian, because tanks are cool and the artist,
daring marlin
excellent
daring marlin
Once more into the breach
dense iris
should I replace my tier set gear for pieces higher ilvl even if I wont get the new tier set?
cinder storm
sick sentinel
Need to buff the entangling next time I think
I don't feel it's scary it's like,a nothing to me
cinder storm
Nah it's fine as is imo, there can be nasty overlaps with it, but for the most part it's good
zenith briar
It's caused wipes in the +18-20 range for me. Happy with it as is 😄
hollow marsh
Invite a pally for the double freedom tech 🫠
lusty grotto
did someone say old people
also yogi wtf youre older than me
also important PSA
dont forget you can socket ANY neck with 3 sockets
dont make a "oops did i really forget that?"
like me
crude notch
RIP Brew damage
crude notch
Rumor has it T30 profile is now at 78k.
crude notch
F tier bby
F tier gamer
It's a 7% nerf and honestly I'm about to make a tier list on the most overdramatic reactions to a 7% nerf.
S: Brew
A:
B: PWar
C:
D: Bear
I just don't get how they didn't see it coming
toxic pewter
so what exactly was happening? their weapons of order 32% dmg buff was working on trinkets or something?
crude notch
so what exactly was happening? their weapons of order 32% dmg buff was working o...
Basically, yeah. So they'd build up the buff and then slam trinkets, weapon effects, etc. in the window.
toxic pewter
yeah that would be like arms warrior's mastery working with my beacon when i play arms
(mobs take more damage from me)
misty coyote
So should we high prio shield slam or high prio thunder clap?
Rephrase: 20s After Last stand we high prio Shield slam/Revenge and TC when we have no proc
When LS is on CD do we spam SB to get it back up or TC for more dam? I feel like TC for M+ but I just wanna double check
warm plinth
There is no difference in priority whether you're in LS or not. SS>TC>Revenge
dusky canopy
FFFFF just missed 20 hoi by 15 seconds because we team wiped at the water gauntlet and had to run back for 2+ minutes LOL
warm plinth
rip
daring marlin
FFFFF just missed 20 hoi by 15 seconds because we team wiped at the water gauntl...
NOT LIKE THIS
dusky canopy
twin bramble
Is there a way to deal with pelters in netharians lair that I’m missing? Dudes driving me nuts jumping around. Especially when 2 of them. Of when they jump to another group and risk social aggro/butt pull.
lusty grotto
they jump opposite the group
twin bramble
Stack behind the pelter so they jump towards me?
zenith briar
If you hold agro on them then stay out of melee they won't jump
If you can hold agro*
crude notch
They only jump while targeted.
zenith briar
Wait really? That's way easier if so
warm plinth
AoE spells only 😏
crude notch
🙂
warm plinth
From last boss?
daring marlin
ye
warm plinth
sadge
crude notch
Sucks to suck
warm plinth
We had our worst DPS get it in our normal run this week 
daring marlin
100%
warm plinth
I'm already 4pc though so idc
crude notch
Guildford
daring marlin
I'm thinking about it
crude notch
I'm thinking about it
Great now I'll not be going.
daring marlin
If you go, I will give you a hug
YEAH WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT BUDDY
wtf is different on normal sark
twin comet
is the pocket anvil good for us?
i just won it in a roll and dont' know if i need to trade it
toxic pewter
grats
daring marlin
anvil big ST dam
warm plinth
wtf is different on normal sark
No drifting embers, no duress/dread, no rescind
lean stream
(just returned) I got the dargrul trinket from Nelth Lair and tbh it seems broken af, anywhere between 6-8.8% of my overall dmg... is this considered one of the best for us? in M+ i mean
lusty grotto
hello ghash you sexy person
lean stream
ok yep the Pin says I won the game basically, ty
lusty grotto
what thing
vale escarp
Cute one
warm plinth
Did you guys know that almost half of all three-toed sloths die while taking a dump
lusty grotto
LMAO
warm plinth
That is a legit fact
warm plinth
For some reason, unlike two-toed sloths, they can't poop in the tree, and they take MASSIVE dumps (like, half their body weight or something). So they have to climb down to the forest floor and it takes them a while, which makes them very vulnerable to predators.
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Poor sloths
crude notch
Relatable
lusty grotto
Poor sloths
i want to subscribe to sloth facts
crude notch
ran it back in the 20 hoi and timed the next one
Nice. Grats gamer.
dusky canopy
Nice. Grats gamer.
daring marlin
big boy brew
dusky canopy
only 20s left are uld and nelt
im slowly catching up lol
limited play time is beans but you get used to it
daring marlin
I FEEL IT
crude notch
I feel nothing
daring marlin
amber siren
glacial skiff
is ominous chromatic essence worth using say 415-421 trinkets?
at 444?
for keys that is*
scenic mural
its a very good stat stick. if i get one im using it
tame jasper
only 20s left are uld and nelt
Youll get it. I miss uldaman after I failed three or four times on Sunday. But nevertheless the new gesring system is great
round socket
@daring marlin ?
daring marlin
<@145702969990578178> ?
LOVE YOU
crude notch
my brew lost 2k dps in sims, someone end me.
desert totem
Hi, Sometimes I have problems when there is a big group of ads to get the aggro of all of them, especially if I don't hit them all with thunderclap and I have the taunt in area in cooldown. Do u have some advice? I’m a rookie warrior tank
warm plinth
Hi, Sometimes I have problems when there is a big group of ads to get the aggro ...
How are you opening the pull?
desert totem
How are you opening the pull?
I usually charge and when I arrive I use thunderclap, and then revenge to continue generating aggro.
warm plinth
Not sure what the deal is then; that should be enough to keep aggro of everything. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've needed aoe taunt
warm plinth
Big congrats
rustic basin
Quick one, how is prot performing? I spend most time in fury, I tank our raid as prot, currently up to h Nelth doing fine, I've tank 16 keys. Subscription often has us F tier, are we that bad, or really become beefy once we get out 4p, I'm currently 2p
sonic moon
Our tier does almost nothing for our survivability. Our survivability is fine.
The f tier ranking has 0 to do with our survivability and moreso damage. Our single target damage isn't very good. But thats not a big deal.
We bring rally to raid. Which is massive. We can spell block/shield block/spell reflect most tank busters in the raid.
I'm AoTC, 3/9M and have tanked 20s. Prot is fine.
mighty valley
Hi, Sometimes I have problems when there is a big group of ads to get the aggro ...
if you miss one add and need snap aggro, heroic leap resets taunt cooldown
desert totem
if you miss one add and need snap aggro, heroic leap resets taunt cooldown
Thx! I didn't know that!
mighty valley
it's a really obscure interaction haha
rustic basin
@sonic moon cheers for that matey
mighty valley
for the past decade, tank balance has only actually mattered for the true bleeding edge of keys. and also for getting accepted by metabrained pugs
urban portal
Mythic raid is designed around the worst tank
If the worst tank can’t live it then it’ll get nerfed
frosty mist
Hi guys, Yesterday I asked advices for my tank stats. (% of hast, versa,...) Ppl said that there is no more specific % to get but only focus on ilvl. There is no, I don't know, general Idea of % in hast, versa, crit and mastery ? On murlok.io they put hast at 35%
mighty valley
Hi guys, Yesterday I asked advices for my tank stats. (% of hast, versa,...) Ppl...
take ilvl upgrades in almost every scenario. if you're comparing same ilvl pieces, haste is our best stat, then crit and vers are similar, then mastery usually worst
frosty mist
take ilvl upgrades in almost every scenario. if you're comparing same ilvl piece...
ok but there some "cap" to try to get in hast ? Atm I have something like 24% hast, 23% versa (dropped a lot of piece with a lot of versa)
mighty valley
no, we don't have meaningful caps or breakpoints
until you get really high and have to care about diminishing returns
warm plinth
It's another site that uses top runs to try to parse a guide basically
frosty mist
ok, so I don't have to be afraid of my 24% hast atm 🙂
I miss the "reforge" thing we add few extension back
limpid anchor
no, we don't have meaningful caps or breakpoints
7100 haste is a cap
mighty valley
7100 haste is a cap
see my second message
limpid anchor
If you can reach it atm is something else
wild island
hi. when do i press spell block while tanking sarkareth?
limpid anchor
see my second message
No :<
mighty valley
but i worked so hard on it :<
mighty valley
i was off by a few years, but in my defense, tank balance mattered even less before m+ existed
crude notch
what does "matters" even mean in this context
mighty valley
"should it affect the character choice of the average person who jumps into this discord to ask about tank balance"
covert topaz
So, I have 2 solid rings (High haste / crit + High haste Verse) Curious as to how these are better together than the annulet as that still does tons of damage in m+ (as stated in pinned)
sonic moon
Can't you just do a 1 min 3 target patchwork sim
Since the ring hits at max 3 targets.
covert topaz
i shall do that now
mighty valley
when you say "solid" how high ilvl are you saying
covert topaz
441
mighty valley
because in m+, annulet gets outclassed
ok yeah, sim it, but your stat rings are prob better
covert topaz
says the rings a -300 dps on a 3 boss patchwork 1 minute
guess it lives in my bags for a while
marble cipher
my double 441 did not outperform Eranog+Annulet
But, it was 3k behind in AoE, so I went with the 441"s regardless, got a bit tired of the low ilvl rings
I still wear them for lower keys though (17's), but use the higher ones in the higher keys, maybe not worth it, but I went for the high ilvl rings anyway (both crit/haste though)
vocal peak
When are we getting our 3rd spark ?
vocal peak
Okei, cuz Flavor Pocket embalishment is pretty nice for m+
So used to running it nowadays
limpid anchor
Just stop dying :x
long stone
Hm Just got a Fragment this week no Spark 😦
torn gulch
yea you get half a spark a week
a spark every 2 weeks
unless you're behind
then you need the fragments to drop from content
at the moment we are at 2 full sparks on next reset we'll be at 2.5 sparks if you don't have that you're behind
odd nimbus
guys oceani breath blasts in hoi.how you deal with that?
limpid anchor
I walk away
odd nimbus
can you?
limpid anchor
Yes
zenith briar
also spell blockable but out-ranging doesn't cost a talent
odd nimbus
i didnt know you can out range it
odd nimbus
how is the timing on that?
ionic fern
Or leap if you're unsure.
limpid anchor
Just don’t panic leap into the next pack
Or to early and blast the others with the frontal
odd nimbus
ok thanks guys
crude notch
y'all see the zskarn tech?
marble cipher
the three tank?
covert topaz
got a vid of it?
crude notch
14.5 minute degeneracy
crude notch
the tech is you hate yourself after having to spend 14.5 minutes on that fight.
marble cipher
any clip? always interested in seeing funny shenanigans 😄
crude notch
only got the log
marble cipher
I'll take the log then
jagged pier
if its easier than doing the fight the intended way why not 🤷
tired girder
I'm new to tank so this question maybe will sound weird.
On oceanic breath if we run from it we can turn back to the mob to run faster? Or we need to strafe for less damage?
long stone
if its easier than doing the fight the intended way why not 🤷
Hm WhatsApp the tech than Here - Just Tank with 3 ?
jagged pier
no the only tech is on tank for bombs and 2 for boss
they spend half the fight in the safe spotat the side
when the room is filled
and use a bdk to take the boss across the fire for pillars
crude notch
or pally horse>da
limpid anchor
That the tanks don’t die to debuffs
red acorn
Ah
jagged pier
or pally horse>da
nope paladin cant survive the flame traps
red acorn
So this is, I'm assuming, something that really only matters for Mythic?
limpid anchor
Yes
sleek current
We have five paladins. We just have them rotate immunities for the bombs. Haha.
crude notch
nope paladin cant survive the flame traps
true true
frosty mist
question about war stance, atm I'm playing only in def stance (I started s2 with 410ilvl, now it's 423 and I'm doing +15 now), I know that I could play in battle stance (doing that in s1) but I'm kinda afraid to die ... any tips ?
crude notch
just do it
crude notch
I don't swap unless I know what I'm tanking is scary and if I die it's because I played wrong not because I was in bstance
frosty mist
ok
heady jetty
Tried playing with Fueled by Violence, why do ppl wanna play with that?
Healed for shit and felt horrible, my IP was nowhere near the effect it normally has doing 60-80k dps is alot of shielding, just me?
I swap to defstance, if i know it's going to be spicy. Especially in fortified with big bolsters.
frosty mist
I'm in a group not really perfect (not a lot of stun/cut), the healer will panick often on big pull, finish fight with 15% mana after big pull, so, being in defstance is more "secure" .. don't know
crude notch
You asked, I answered.
Numerous people will share my answer.
Any of the regulars anyways
frosty mist
yes, I agree, I know that I could/should playing in bstance (doing that in s1), I try to think about my group, our difficulties, if it can work easely or not
I think yes, usually, I'm the last one to die, I use cd to mitigate and self heal, so, ... wil try 🙂
winged sage
Anyone have any logs for Rashok and Zskarn progress for prot warrs?
Feels like up to Rashok is doable, but after that prot warriors fall over flat.
Simply my asumption based on logs 😄
But id like to see the damage intake for a prot warrior on those fights, as I'm going ever closer to them with progress och Rashok starting tomorrow
limpid anchor
yes, I agree, I know that I could/should playing in bstance (doing that in s1), ...
Idk I’m a lot in def stance simply bcs the dmg isn’t needed, heal has more mana and can do more damage
crude notch
damage is always needed, the quicker something dies the less damage you take.
frosty mist
atm, my healer does'nt have the time to dps, the other dps take a lot of dmg often (when i'm already on cd to cut/stun or they are slacking in aoe :D)
crude notch
Hey what do I want from TW Firelands since it can all be upgraded to 437?
I need a new bis list please and thank you @astral atlas @strong forum
🙂
ionic fern
hardy snow
I think yes, usually, I'm the last one to die, I use cd to mitigate and self hea...
treat bstance as standard position and dstance as additional def CD that you use when needed
oblique kayak
do we have correct sins for it yet?
strong forum
Last I checked its not implemented in simc
bitter herald
^^ you only need enough tankiness to live
More damage is always useful
crude notch
Do I do a last minute key before reset or do I stick to my no keys within 24 hours before reset mantra
bitter herald
That just sounds like 1 less day of wow a week :p
jagged pier
Do I do a last minute key before reset or do I stick to my no keys within 24 hou...
THIS
then my guilds like we need a tank for keys
and im like
oblique kayak
Resetday keyes never go well
tried 3 20 FH keys - none made it past first boss -.-
restive scroll
^^ you only need enough tankiness to live
More damage is always useful
Well, I mostly agreed, but you can also allow your healer to dps if you take few enough damage, was quite interesting a few patches !
oblique kayak
Well, I mostly agreed, but you can also allow your healer to dps if you take few...
but you do more dmg then the healer
you gain more dmg vs what you make possible most of the time
sharp ruin
u guys think prot warrior is in a good spot right now? imo we need some buffs xD i am tanking 22-23 keys , but other tank feels like better xD
restive scroll
you gain more dmg vs what you make possible most of the time
Key words here being "most of the time"
But you're probably right on this patch regardless =)
jagged pier
its in the same spot it was last season
oblique kayak
Key words here being "most of the time"
But you're probably right on this patch ...
mitigating 15% more dmg won’t translate into 15% more healer is iwhat i’m saying
restive scroll
I know, just being uselessly precise =)
My comment probably comes more from wayyy older patches ! Just started back after a 4 year break ~
I'mstill not up to date !
bitter herald
Well, I mostly agreed, but you can also allow your healer to dps if you take few...
my normal group healer seems to also do damage anyway
admittedly pushing for us is 18/19 so slightly less lethal
latent steppe
is there a way to get spell block for m+? but i dont want to sacrifice bolster..
frosty mist
u dont need spell block for more than 2 dungeons tho
which one ? 🙂
jagged pier
nels lair and nels
hardy snow
My comment probably comes more from wayyy older patches ! Just started back afte...
game is not same as it was 2 or 4 years ago
restive scroll
game is not same as it was 2 or 4 years ago
Clearly, again, I was just being precise in a general way, not specific to this patch
frosty mist
nels lair and nels
On which pack do you spell block ? I'm trying to remember
hardy snow
in lair definetely big rock with frontal
frosty mist
it can be spell blocked ? ho
hardy snow
main damage can be blocked, dot afterwards not
its similar to little rocks elementals in azure vault
frosty mist
didn't know that, thx
jagged pier
u use your S key
latent steppe
wait dragon breath can be avoided by backstepping 5 yards?
latent steppe
omg tyvm guys
latent steppe
can i also do the same for golems in uldaman? that clap i mean...
latent steppe
idk if spell reflect works on it since its nature dmg
zenith briar
check pins for spreadsheet of what can be blocked/reflected
crude notch
can i also do the same for golems in uldaman? that clap i mean...
clap you're supposed to los
iron cosmos
Firelands timewalking gear 437, nice. Wonder if there is any broken trinkets
cinder pasture
Only trinkets in there
crude notch
big ol critties
ionic roost
Well after upgrading it's likely ~750
jagged pier
well actually
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m7YXB9rkJRYXcAgA2hkahJ good trinket that crit one
strong forum
I can already smell the people foaming at the mouth over that defensive trinket
strong forum
Yup
Actually no that trinket is just strictly worse in every way than talisman
Both have the same CD but talisman absorbs like 3-4x as much
jagged pier
strong forum
If you get the crit trinket it won't be half bad for m+, but nothing you want for raid
crude notch
jakey
jagged pier
or like 675 at max
crude notch
i was meme'ing
chill tf out
i'm gonna tell your mom
if you don't calm down young man
jagged pier
am putting info out for ppl
crude notch
put out dn
jagged pier
not just for u
tropic gorge
Is the armor Dr cap 50 percent?
tropic gorge
Ty
long chasm
Showflame and frost fire belt are best even if I don’t have eranog ring?
jagged pier
yes
long chasm
Excellent thanks
latent steppe
dude rerolling from 7 years of Blood DK to Prot Warr is something giga challenge
dusky canopy
The Crit bug was all of 10.0 and then it was fixed in 10.1 to my understanding, if that’s what your asking?
sick sentinel
ain't no one gonna read that
dusky canopy
Top of the morning to ya
crude notch
you always link the wildest shit yogi, i love it.
crude notch
The Crit bug was all of 10.0 and then it was fixed in 10.1 to my understanding, ...
yeah peak of serenity is trying to say battering ram bug was only 5 days, so you guys don't deserve a compensatory buff.
jagged pier
no it was a bug since alpha
we didnt notice it for a very long time
and once we told bliz they fixed it real quick
yep
crude notch
"Everyone else got compensatory buffs for their bugfixes"
"Warrior didn't and Bear didn't"
"Well Warriors was only 5 days and Bear didn't rely on Borrowed Power as much."
It's like I don't care, who gets buffs and nerfs just don't lie about it.
plush tendon
I feel like every tank minus prot paladin is waiting for tuning
strong forum
Was the battering ram thing only new to 10.1?
Ye
The bug was only publicly known for 5 days before it was fixed but existed since launch. We factually lost 7% dmg with that
crude notch
Well you don't deserve a compensation buff because it wasn't as big as Monk's loss. 🙂
((I don't actually believe this.))
limpid anchor
Prot buffs when
strong forum
Monk pwar and bdk deserve dmg buffs, guardian deserves a whole lot of other things
crude notch
LMAO
strong forum
Am I wrong
remote venture
No
plush tendon
What about VDH?
crude notch
Am I wrong
No, I was just laughing at the way you put the Guardian stuff.
plush tendon
remote venture
VDH is strong now in M+
plush tendon
I wouldn’t know; havnt seen one XD
plush tendon
On pull I feel like they still have issues though no?
strong forum
Yeah vdh Sims are borked but their dmg is insane even without lunchboxing
crude notch
On pull I feel like they still have issues though no?
Who doesn't like a ramp tank, really
🙂
limpid anchor
The vdh in my guild does the same dmg as me, and he has 200 ms and no 4p
remote venture
and he will only be stronger
strong forum
Yeah R1 pwar vs R1 vdh is a casual 20k dps gap rn on first boss
strong forum
(sense also doesnt have the best gear yet) but still
urban bane
Now brew also in compensation waiting room
strong forum
There's a very distinct difference between the top 3 and bottom 3
Yeah
Brew is now in the gutter with us dmg wise
remote venture
and Brew are suppose to be the most dmg tank of them all :(
crude notch
Their t30 went to 76k i believe kate said, that's without changing it back to not holding WoO.
remote venture
I started to play Brew this season to explore other tank specs
latent steppe
what do i drop for getting spell block in neltharus
jagged pier
again as i told you earlier its in the pins
jagged pier
wow looks really hard to find
latent steppe
thanks
odd nimbus
how good is [Heart of Thunder]?
cunning oar
Solid trinket
odd nimbus
i have [Talisman of the Cragshaper][Mark of Dargrul] does it worth to swap talisman with the heart?
oblique kayak
if you want offense and lose defence yes
cunning oar
Is there any solid logic to swapping off and def trinkets in a M+, other than "keep def on when it's tough, keep off on when you're not gonna get smashed"?
cunning oar
Assuming because we're just that tanky?
This is my first xpac maining a tank, so I'm not familiar with previous years.
odd nimbus
we dont run def trinkets
what level of keys are you running? i would kill to watch a high key pov of your prot war for education
jagged pier
i dont do keys
odd nimbus
that makes sense in raid yes
cunning oar
Ahh ok -- I'm just talking about keys. I unfortunately don't have the regular schedule to be able to raid.
limpid anchor
This is my first xpac maining a tank, so I'm not familiar with previous years.
Def trinkets are definitely worth using depending on your healer / dungeon / pulls
But overall not needed
Especially not in raid
cunning oar
stick to damage trinkets
That's what I'm referencing. The pins mention both offense and defense trinkets.
plush tendon
That's what I'm referencing. The pins mention both offense and defense trinkets.
if Nom says its decent, we trust his judgement
jagged pier
u run defensive trinkets in literally WF keys
cunning oar
Def trinkets are definitely worth using depending on your healer / dungeon / pul...
Thanks -- I'll probably stick to defensive when I'm in a PuG, but will go more offensive with my guild.
jagged pier
outside of that its not needed
plush tendon
but we will always push for people not to rely on them
jagged pier
u can do that hes in the discord
plush tendon
u run defensive trinkets in literally WF keys
there are like a handful of spots in the current dungeons where Im like 'please I need something'
jagged pier
and link him to mine or nome message about
jagged pier
spell block
versed nebula
When ive been running my high keys the Echo of Neltharion defensive trinket has felt like a nice safety net. Dont think it would be necessary if I had higher ilvl though 😄
jagged pier
check the sheet
cunning oar
Thanks everyone, that makes a lot more sense.
limpid anchor
im more wary of the dot
Should have wall and spell block ready for everyone tho
plush tendon
still hurts 😦
urban bane
yeah especially if dps bolster the shit outta em
topaz field
sometimes u should need healing
limpid anchor
But that’s what I mean with depended on heal
If the heal sucks I rather run a def trinket
plush tendon
sometimes u should need healing
blasphemy
limpid anchor
And survive the packs
topaz field
being reliant on heal will eventually always be the case
limpid anchor
Than do a little bit more dmg and die
„Correct play“ doesn’t help surviving the dot
long stone
10 days Till diablo - 10 days Till we don’t read anymore from nome for a Long Time 💔
limpid anchor
11 days until streetfighter 
winged sage
One day till im back to progress tanking experiments as a prot warr, that shit is fucking insane when the last dude spawns the stacks jump from 0 to like 7 in 2 seconds
so far my progress on that part of that fight on mythic has been "Jesus take the wheel"
cunning oar
Confused: which embellishment shield is the pin referring to?
Shield of the Hearth or Shadowed Impact Buckler?
cunning oar
Oh okay thanks.
plush tendon
well you dont have to put shadowflame on it; I plan on putting shadowflame on boots and waist so I can play dps offspec without buying a whole new embellishment
cunning oar
That's a good point, but I really only do Prot for PvE. I bring in my mage for dps.
Would you eventually put it on your shield after your boots and waist?
urban bane
ig at that point it doesn't really matter if you are hardlocked prot
plush tendon
Would you eventually put it on your shield after your boots and waist?
well you can only have two
so I keep the shield blank
urban bane
or ~flavor packet~
plush tendon
flavor packet might go on a crafted cape
unless I can get that cape from raid
or maybe a crafed non lariat neck
or could go on a shield
whatever works
cunning oar
so I keep the shield blank
Oh, oops. Sorry.
I just meant for when you have the extra sparks to swap out to the shield when needed.
latent steppe
any advise h ow to get rid of that if my SB is on cd?
perhaps trying to cheese it with max ignore pain + spell DR from SR?
or can you ignore it with by backstepping?
proper roost
take spell block for fortified neltharus
and just rotate cds and pray the pull is over soonge
latent steppe
yeah SB saved me from there but
latent steppe
sometimes SB is not coming back that soon
proper roost
honestly though you just kite as well you have room on all 3 pulls you pull them
they hit every tank p hard
soft plume
now that fortified bolstering is over can i go back to running dps trinkets in 20s or no
jagged pier
i was running dps trinkets in 20s anyway
cunning oar
Thought you didn't do keys?
jagged pier
i dont compared to most ppl
dusky canopy
For first pull neltharus you want to rotate your defensives of course and I prefer to use spell block last that way it will block some of the bolstered blazing slashes and if they still aren’t dead when spell block ends leap away and run until they die or bolster stacks fall off
@latent steppe
plush tendon
honestly, doing that pull in a 20, pop lust, and go ham worked for me in a 20
without spell block
at least since they are desynced now
toxic pewter
Spell block in neltharus super valuable
plush tendon
wish it wasnt such a pain to pick up spell block 😦
plush tendon
Spell block in neltharus super valuable
where else is it useful in there?
dusky canopy
Nah it’s hard worth spell block in neltharus
toxic pewter
In my opinion it isn’t that much of a pain, bloodsurge is good sure but the loss of the rage isn’t hugely noticeable
dusky canopy
Makes the warden pulls cake
plush tendon
theres like 3 warden pulls
dusky canopy
Still worth
toxic pewter
where else is it useful in there?
Just enables the bigger/harder pulls to go more smoothly
jagged pier
its a niche scenario where spell block is worth for the 3-4 pulls u need it
dusky canopy
Oh yeah unless they nerf the blazing slash I don’t see a way you won’t be running spell block in that dungeon imagine a 25 fortified 20 seconds in to the pull you’re dying if the packs still alive and you don’t have a healer external lol
Or you could bring spellblock and extend your living significantly longer
limpid anchor
Oh yeah unless they nerf the blazing slash I don’t see a way you won’t be runnin...
Or just press s
vital arch
What spec do you guys typically use for vault, furry for possible forgestorm? Or maybe prot for potential 447 VP trinket?
marble cipher
can you dodge it by backstepping once they do it? Or do you mean, run away? @limpid anchor
dusky canopy
Or just press s
Yeah but kiting moves the pack we don’t want that generally speaking
limpid anchor
Both? Kinda
marble cipher
I'm too proud to run away! I'll die with honor!!! (j/k)
limpid anchor
You can go to the side I think, it doesn’t move the pack much
dusky canopy
And yeah he is right you can just leap out and run
vital arch
I have no shame in kiting.
marble cipher
Well, but the answer "just kite" goes for every single thing ingame though, well, all "melee" stuff that hurts you
doesn't mean you should do it
but as a last resort, sure
marble cipher
Fairly sure they follow, but, I'll certainly try!
limpid anchor
Same with the basilisks and lizards in uldaman
vital arch
Yeah it’s a bit easier to do than the basilisks imo
dusky canopy
Basilisks clap cheeks btw
toxic pewter
What spec do you guys typically use for vault, furry for possible forgestorm? Or...
Ya I’m prob gonna do fury today myself
plush tendon
I'm too proud to run away! I'll die with honor!!! (j/k)
too proud to run away? bro, have you seen dwarfs run
totally worth to run away XD
marble cipher
hahaha
toxic pewter
The basilisks are mob I’m most scared so far lol
plush tendon
love when I get the Neltharus cooking thing, and im zooming up the stairs arms tucked
vital arch
I have 437 forgestorm and 441 VP trinket so I’m probably going to roll furry for my shot at 447 forgestorm
marble cipher
so, the VP trinket DOES exist!
marble cipher
dusky canopy
You’ll be like Thor man
toxic pewter
Is the vp trinket very good or wat
marble cipher
my game doesn't have the trinket file in it
vital arch
Is the vp trinket very good or wat
It’s so good
toxic pewter
Is it better than mark of dargrul
dusky canopy
Wo that WA tracks how many of a certain key you’ve done in that week?
Kinda neat
Mark is like 8%
Thunder is 6%
Ish
toxic pewter
I have ran lair 38 times. Only seen mark drop once and someone else got it
vital arch
Jesus
dusky canopy
I’m just planning to pull mark from vault today
vital arch
I just got lucky, you should try it sometime
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
I just got lucky, you should try it sometime
🙌
plush tendon
cant be bothered to farm any items yet
just letting the boxes tick off each week
gearing up the toons ya know
vital arch
Im sitting on 1 piece of tier rn just praying for luck on this weeks clears
dusky canopy
I only plan on playing war this season so just been targeting loot mostly
And almost zero luck other than pogstorm on the 7th run
toxic pewter
I wonder what affixes will be this week. Surely a new one
loud wave
What vp trinket does? Increases max health?
dusky canopy
Prob the cc one
toxic pewter
The one we can only stormbolt?
dusky canopy
It’s going to suck this week for the first few days I’m sure
dusky canopy
Yes I’m guessing
toxic pewter
Kind of wild we can only do one thing for any of the new affixes and it’s stormbolt lmao
dusky canopy
Shin I would open fury spec and just farm for thunder
toxic pewter
And I guess avatar entangling
dusky canopy
You don’t want to waist vault on shield and defensive trinkets imo
marble cipher
Shin I would open fury spec and just farm for thunder
yeah, not planning on getting it from vault, don't worry
was just a general info since someone asked what trinket was being discussed
plush tendon
do you raid?
if not, try to sneak into some Sark kills
beacon is a literal nuclear bomb
dusky canopy
I do but just pug heroic Andy
plush tendon
its awesome
dusky canopy
Can’t be bothered to submit a resume to try mythic raiding
Wow is my fun not my job
plush tendon
throw down the moon like thanos
plush tendon
it is
toxic pewter
It is insane
toxic pewter
Yes
marble cipher
I'll wait till majority of my guild can understand "stack in middle" or "go to X"
😄
They're usually like ants in rain, frantically running in random directions
toxic pewter
It’s kinda crazy I have better success raiding with pugs than my guild
Always been that way too for me
plush tendon
😦
urban bane
keys that way for me too
plush tendon
my guild is killing it recently, so raid has been smooth
toxic pewter
keys that way for me too <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Yeah anytime I run keys with guild it just doesn’t work out well for some reason
urban bane
if you catch the wave right key pugs are aite
but if you're like a lil behind they're oof
plush tendon
I cant imagine pugging most of my keys
toxic pewter
I only pug keys
plush tendon
if I aint doing keys with the homies.... what good are keys
gross
I just @ the gamers
put up the bat signal
mabe pug a dps or healer
dusky canopy
Yeah pug keys and pug raid are generally more successful for me too but found a group of guys to hang with this season that are more in line with myself so it’s been good so far
toxic pewter
I will say living the pug life you do see some funny stuff
Major toxic attitudes out there
urban bane
it is hilarious
elfin atlas
fact
toxic pewter
It’s great
urban bane
The chain boss in Neltharus on tyranical weeks is like fodder for that kinda clownery
toxic pewter
It’s like walking down bourbon street during mardi gras every day of the week
elfin atlas
I used to enjoy running with my guild in M+ but not a solid crew to push with. Running with pugs challenges me due to their lack of skill or mine...every run seem sdifferent
loud wave
So Neltharions Lair (Mark of Dargul) and VP (Heart of Thunder) trinkets are actually the best offensive options from m+?
toxic pewter
Anyone else still using drogbar rocks
elfin atlas
I plan on use=ing the splinter from BH as my defensive trinket and one of the 2 listed as an offensive trinket. Do y'all see any issue with that?
plush tendon
naw
toxic pewter
Seems fine
toxic pewter
But def try get beacon
toxic pewter
Once u go beacon.. it gets u thinkin… you can’t go back to any other trinket
elfin atlas
ok. if it drops for me. I will. :). vault is reserved for a tier piece this week for sure.
toxic pewter
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-moon-destroy-marvel-gif-16376229
Yes that me
toxic pewter
Glad they fixed that bug
Would be like if our demo shout increased beacon by 20%
But like 75% better lmao
loud wave
It's weird that heart of Thunder is not even listed on bloodmallet Sims options
jagged pier
cause it doesnt sim correctly right now
pastel sleet
Ive had that sitting in my bags this whole time cause of how bad it simmed and how low it was on BM… fuck me.
When do we replace a 415 whetstone
silk pine
The big Crystals in NL does spell block allso helps against the dot?
pastel sleet
Are we expecting a buff anytime soon?
vocal nimbus
toxic pewter
The big Crystals in NL does spell block allso helps against the dot?
I don’t know for sure but I used it and it felt like it helped even on the dot portion of the crystal barrage or whatever it’s called
dusky canopy
Ive had that sitting in my bags this whole time cause of how bad it simmed and h...
Once you get thunder or mark
toxic pewter
I may be 100% wrong though
I mean we did get an indirect nerf due to bug fix technically
dusky canopy
Did they nerf the beacon interaction or something? What happened
plush tendon
Yea- weapons of order won’t affect outside things
pastel sleet
This is why i ask. I dont feel weak. But im definitely getting declined a lot
toxic pewter
Did they nerf the beacon interaction or something? What happened
Yah, weapons of order 32% damage buff was applying to trinket damage
plush tendon
This is why i ask. I dont feel weak. But im definitely getting declined a lot
If you open up what data they have, you’ll see that there just aren’t many prot warriors
toxic pewter
It’s a popularity contest
jagged pier
^
topaz field
the warriors i usually meet in queue are more like x tier
toxic pewter
Feels like I’m back in high school lmao
plush tendon
Which we are winning
elfin atlas
isnt that based off what the highest keys are being ran and completed by?
plush tendon
topaz field
but thats a player not spec problem
plush tendon
Cause f means fantastic
jagged pier
its based off whats being run but that doesnt show strength
all it shows is paladin is played more than the others
thats literally all it shows
pastel sleet
Aight
elfin atlas
i feel awesome on my warrior. after my runs, the groups are like..I thought prot warriors were junk. I just go you're welcome
jagged pier
if warrior is 'OP' or thought to be no one plays it
plush tendon
The only reason why subcreation is relevant is cause a lot of the community doesn’t know how to use it properly and community perception can be a bitch and half if trying to pug
topaz field
there are literally no tanks
plush tendon
So basically, fake news
topaz field
2 weeks into the patch
dusky canopy
Aight
I think we’re fine 🙂
Also note guys in here do more than that by a good amount
elfin atlas
what dungeon was that?
toxic pewter
If you get declined have you been whispering the group leader why they declined you
I always whisper and ask why
crude notch
proper roost
lmao
elfin atlas
I dont whisper them if i get declined. I just secretly hope they fail
proper roost
that is unhinged behavior ngl
toxic pewter
https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396
Knowledge is power
dusky canopy
what dungeon was that?
Uh I believe that one was from a BH with all the pad
crude notch
Is it though?
toxic pewter
Yah I am curious as to why I was not qualified in their view
crude notch
It ain't personal, move on go next.
elfin atlas
Uh I believe that one was from a BH with all the pad <:keks:936231610850897992>
makes sense
crude notch
Yah I am curious as to why I was not qualified in their view
So you're looking to argue.
Just go next brother
crude notch
Could you imagine setting up a group and every dps you don't accept messages you, wtf you gonna do then?
bitter herald
Yah I am curious as to why I was not qualified in their view
its just odd to spend time on it?
why care about people whove looked over you
tropic gorge
I've had people message me when I run my keys with their last season io, aotc for raid (not sure why an m+ group would care about aotc), and other epeen stuff
tropic gorge
why care about people whove looked over you
I agree with this.
Don't take it personally. Just queue for the next group
dusky canopy
It’s not necessarily that you need to be AOTC but the thing is when pugging no one knows your worth so the best way to judge a person is based off of the progress they have
toxic pewter
So you're looking to argue.
Not necessarily I mean I just want to understand
They don’t have to respond
And oftentimes they don’t
crude notch
"Not necessarily" that's a yep.
elfin atlas
Going off ilvl alone is horrible. You may get stuck with PvPers and are in for a hard carry
crude notch
what actual feedback can they give you
bitter herald
It’s not necessarily that you need to be AOTC but the thing is when pugging no o...
but addon gives all that stuff anyway
crude notch
that matters
dusky canopy
Ilvl is a weight along with io and keys timed
crude notch
"your io"
"your feet smell"
"a warrior orc ate my dog"
dusky canopy
You take all the info and add it together to form an educated opinion on the player
It’s that simple
toxic pewter
It matters to me so I can improve on which groups I apply to apparently
toxic pewter
I’m driving at the moment can’t reply easily
tropic gorge
When I look for heals and dps. I got by ilvl, io and keys completed for the level range in running
topaz field
I’m driving at the moment can’t reply easily
just get a groupfinder tool and only apply to realistic groups
tropic gorge
Occasionally I'll form groups with low io and low completion people. Cause I've been there myself
bitter herald
clearly they keep a list of everyone whos refused them and check it every time they apply to a group
dusky canopy
When I look for heals and dps. I got by ilvl, io and keys completed for the leve...
Logic yes
topaz field
in pugs i would never create a group without CR
tropic gorge
Io is my least important of the 3. If ilvl is good and completed runs are good, obviously io is usually good
uneven mason
I did that during bfa, I had a whole paragraph I'd send. "Hi, I'm doing a research paper on the effects of social pressure and pack mentality when it comes to including someone perceived as less desirable by others. Can you tell me in 300 words what your personal experiences have been with protection warriors and why, based on that personal experience, you do not include them in your social circle?"
crude notch
~~clearly they keep a list of everyone whos refused them and check it every time...
They Equalizer that shit, hunt them down and murder everyone from the group.
tropic gorge
I did that during bfa, I had a whole paragraph I'd send. "Hi, I'm doing a resear...
Lmao so very based
bitter herald
nah thats reserved for people who leave mid key
toxic pewter
I mean, yeah, sure sometimes I get into arguments with these people
All I did was ask a simple question
crude notch
nah thats reserved for people who leave mid key
"If I can't get the IO, no one can get the IO."
tropic gorge
"I only run timed keys"
I've had quite a few leave the moment they think the timer is dead
crude notch
I did that during bfa, I had a whole paragraph I'd send. "Hi, I'm doing a resear...
Thankfully this is a meme.
dusky canopy
I won’t lie I’m petty about people declining me too if I see the party is full of meta specs I’ll just block the leader lmao
proper roost
little do you know, that's the exact blurb apb sends
tropic gorge
I suspect quite a few of my lfg denials are not being meta
Or not being a paladin or dk
uneven mason
I mean in bfa it was tough times
dusky canopy
People who think meta matters in low 20keys deserve a block anyway imo
tropic gorge
But I've gotten into a ton of groups where the key owner says they love prot wars
crude notch
wtf
uneven mason
Wat
crude notch
Y'all care that much about getting declined
proper roost
weirdge cope take
violet sable
we up
tropic gorge
Ah there will always be meta slaves that think if you don't play full meta you're not playing
bitter herald
^have had a couple of groups boot me when playing as arms recently
uneven mason
Good luck on them vaults na bois
dusky canopy
Lol it’s not cope it’s literally true
tropic gorge
Oh shit yes vault day. In like 7 hours for me
dusky canopy
Meta slaves make the game worse as a whole
tropic gorge
I don't personally care if I get declined. I assume (I know) a better geared or io tank came along
uneven mason
10m early
tropic gorge
Besides, groups with 4/5 filled are usually grabbing the first tank thst pops in
dusky canopy
@sick sentinel send link we need a better topic
dusky canopy
Good luck on them vaults na bois
Can’t check mine until night time… sadge
tropic gorge
If I do it right I should be able to fairly easily push to 2k this week
dusky canopy
You got it dude!
toxic pewter
I like applying to group looking for prot lmao
tropic gorge
My keys for this week's main are Hella low because of starting last week. Good push times here at the start
bitter herald
I don't personally care if I get declined. I assume (I know) a better geared or ...
mostly the same
the one that has surprised me is being refused or ignored for 12s while grinding for forgestorm
with 428, 18s done
(admittedly quite a bit was as dps but still)
uneven mason
TFW I can't remember what alts I did keys on
tropic gorge
My forge grind has been at 14
tropic gorge
Doing it closer to 10 would ofc be easier but I want a higher ilvl out of the gate
Indeed!
limpid anchor
But the low ilvl, just gotta grind it again on 17+
Don’t think it’s that worth to grind for unless you don’t plan todo higher keys
tame jasper
are US servers up already?
dusky canopy
Yeah definitely farm pogstorm on 17+ if you’re able too
crude notch
Any vault checkers?
dusky canopy
Imagine RE farming it
viral elk
Is there any consequence to outranging the snake custodian's bite bleed in Ulda? Someone told me it will just hit a random target but none of my party members were getting the bleed when I avoided it.
limpid anchor
Is there any consequence to outranging the snake custodian's bite bleed in Ulda?...
No
I had a basilisk biting a dps tho
same thing can happen in jade temple when you outrange the bird
soft plume
if i already have forgestorm and crafted shield should i open vault as fury/arms instead of as prot
viral elk
I had a basilisk biting a dps tho
huge. thank you for that
violet sable
open as fury
limpid anchor
if i already have forgestorm and crafted shield should i open vault as fury/arms...
Yes
soft plume
praying one of my m+ items is tier (except shoulders) pls skyhold gods pls
crude notch
incorporeal spiteful
toxic pewter
is that the 1 gotta cc or dispel or watever
tame jasper
is that the 1 gotta cc or dispel or watever
Incorporeal
Incorporeal periodically summons incorporeal beings throughout combat which will continuously cast Destabilize, reducing player damage healing by 50%. The Incorporeal beings last for 20 seconds before disappearing. The Incorporeal beings are ALL mob types, so CC abilities with mob type restrictions will all work on them. Interrupting Destabilize will simply cause it to instantly recast it.
crude notch
Twitter
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
Incorporeal
Incorporeal periodically summons incorporeal beings throughout comb...
thx
tame jasper
gratz
dusky canopy
don't blame me https://twitter.com/thejordangill/status/1640863754127654912?s=20
LOL good call
toxic pewter
so stormbolt and apparently int shout works on them as long as u target it, right?
dusky canopy
Gz!
unkempt rover
@strong forum I need an adult
quartz mist
441 tier pants or 441 forgestorm
unkempt rover
forgestorm
quartz mist
even if it will be up to 3 pc ?
unkempt rover
yeah
since you dont have 4 piece it doesnt matter right
either forstorm
or you wait until you raid
to pick from vault
toxic pewter
when does catalyst open again
quartz mist
prob 4 weeks
daring marlin
picking the thing you can actively farm is hard throwing
tame jasper
when does catalyst open again
in four weeks or so
daring marlin
always
toxic pewter
hmmmm
daring marlin
if it were 447 I'd consider the forgestorm
round socket
i'm fairly certain i'm taking the 6 tokens of merit 😦
quartz mist
i got a 437 tongue hacker for now
daring marlin
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
thin phoenix
how come wowhead suggets not taking tier chest?
toxic pewter
447 shoulders or 447 tier pants, but i already have 441 tier pants.. i should take shoulders and keep to turn into tier in a month right
wooden widget
Forgestorm has no main stat?
tame jasper
how come wowhead suggets not taking tier chest?
most prob because last boss mythic is 450ilvl?
daring marlin
tame jasper
Forgestorm has no main stat?
nbo it does not have
daring marlin
shit vault ganggang on my warrior
wooden widget
Weird
quartz mist
because of proc chance @wooden widget
wooden widget
Yeah gotcha I just kinda hate that
quartz mist
yeah forgestorm looks hella ass but beats me
dense hound
dusky canopy
Noooooooo Sadge
daring marlin
I wanted tier
vital arch
haste mastery rings for both of my 447
daring marlin
😠
dusky canopy
Beacon in there bro
quartz mist
weird flex buddy
vital arch
my buddy who has 5 piece got 3 tier
daring marlin
😉
daring marlin
I WANT 4PC BRO
daring marlin
I'll do the raid first
left basalt
quartz mist
now thats some ass
limpid anchor
Is that the cool trinket
dusky canopy
Tough call kinda ass options
rose orchid
Ummm.... what to pick guys help pls
limpid anchor
The rare class one?
dusky canopy
Are you joking
vital arch
Ummm.... what to pick guys help pls
wow
marble cipher
wierd flex
rose orchid
lmao