Warrior is more than just IP and SB
#protection
final mist
If you are pressing things like Shield Wall after damage comes in
Then you are failing at handling the damage correctly
We can't mitigate damage after we've taken it
We aren't BDKs or Prot Pallies
sick sentinel
so should i get in the pack with shield wall, instead of pressing it while im inside the pack?
pallid quiver
you should press it before you take damage
final mist
You should use SW when you know something is about to hit you with a bit of damage that you know hurts
pallid quiver
So not while you're gathering mobs, because you're not being hit
Not before the mobs use abilities that hurt, because then it won't be up for when it hurts
If you're dying specifically to bleeds, you press Shield Wall as you get bled, due to bleeds not being upfront damage
undone verge
MYTHIC ZAQ trink im up
pallid quiver
and when playing well, wall's on a like 1-1.5 min CD, so
undone verge
dk tank got heroic beacon tho so its my time
crude notch
so should i get in the pack with shield wall, instead of pressing it while im in...
If you have a log people can tell you what you can do better, otherwise it's all just speculation. Chances are though you're pressing some combination of buttons incorrectly.
pallid quiver
On top of that, if you can avoid getting the bleed in the first place (backpedal, stun, fear, etc)
you should do that
hardy fractal
i had some success using dreadplate trinket as an extra defensive this week
still think prot war feels kinda weak tho
final mist
Shockwave/fear. Charge/stormbolt also
That's assuming mobs are CCable, some of them aren't
Dreadplate kinda dogwater trinket tbh, not worth using
Prot War is as fine now as it was in S1
zenith briar
I'm running double defensive trinkets because I'm probably bad and more oh shit buttons saves my ass on the regular 😄
hollow marsh
Most of the are. no excuse at all on not using them properly
crude notch
The problem exists in the mentality that your cooldowns are oh shit buttons
hardy fractal
spell reflect is reactive
crude notch
If you hit your shield wall AFTER you got brought from 100% to 20%, you done goofed.
sage hearth
Thank you, it means alot ❤️ HAHAHAH
final mist
Spell Reflect can't reflect a spell after you've been hit by it
left trout
the dr from it dont matter either after youve been hit
zenith briar
I'm having sad times when shield wall drops but most of the scary pack aren't dead
crude notch
spell reflect is reactive
Reactive means you react to the damage. You have to be Proactive in order to SR properly.
tame jasper
Spell Reflect can't reflect a spell after you've been hit by it
I like that phrase (not only because it’s obviously true 😂)
hardy fractal
oh i guess i misunderstood what you meant
final mist
We do not have buttons that enable us to dig ourselves out of a hole we've dug ourselves into
pallid quiver
IV's about it
final mist
Shield Wall being used after the boss slapped you with a giant tank buster does not help you survive the tank buster
hardy fractal
refreshing health potion 
final mist
Exactly my point
hardy fractal
also yelling at the healer
final mist
Use your buttons liberally when you know things are coming in and you will not generally find yourself in a situation that you would consider an "oh shit!" one
If you watch good warrior tanks (like Sense, for example), you'll see that they never use cooldowns after damage comes in, and most of them time they're rotating everything because Anger Management is a good talent and that 3 minute cooldown is actually 1-1.5mins in practice
TL;DR use your buttons, IP/SB are below-ground bare minimum for how you play Prot Warrior
warm plinth
The ones in the pins (assuming you have at least 2pc t30)
atomic nest
so if i look at a tank in an 18 and at end of dundgeon they have 79% overall shieldblock in recount .. how bad is that?
or is that acceptable
woeful condor
Is there a diff between M+ T30 4pc talents and T29?
fresh igloo
Is there a diff between M+ T30 4pc talents and T29?
yup
fresh igloo
so if i look at a tank in an 18 and at end of dundgeon they have 79% overall shi...
I'm not sure what that means in this context, but without logs it's hard to say anything
atomic nest
i was looking at liek recount and defensive auras used
and tank has 79% shieldblock uptime
crude notch
that's still not information giving
fresh igloo
depends on travel time, out of combat time, etc.
crude notch
While getting hit sure, but it depends on a bunch of things.
fresh igloo
it depends on what hits were blocked or not blocked
atomic nest
ahhh ok ok ty ty
crude notch
And what recount tracks because I haven't used recount since like WoD
atomic nest
i was assuming recount showed in combat % uptime
crude notch
A proper log will tell you
atomic nest
kk thanks
woeful condor
What's the T30 M+ talents for prot?
fresh igloo
check pins
woeful condor
I see, the bolster 🙂 ty
warm plinth
I didn't even know people still used Recount? It's actually still updated?
crude notch
i didn't even know it was either
left trout
is there any world where you hold shield charge for the 4p? or that not even worth thinking about
thin phoenix
Hmm my raidbots sim tells me that I should break my 4 set for gear 10iL higher. Is that right? 🤔
S1 4 set
tame jasper
Hmm my raidbots sim tells me that I should break my 4 set for gear 10iL higher. ...
Pins say 15ilvl I think
thin phoenix
The passive stats just outweighs the extra shielding?
crude notch
Follow what the sims tell you.
warm plinth
is there any world where you hold shield charge for the 4p? or that not even wor...
Shield Charge doesn't do anything for the 4pc, what do you mean?
warm plinth
It would be like, maybe 1 or 2 extra shield slams at most. Definitely not worth holding since it's very easy to lose a cast of Shield Charge with only a 45 second CD.
Not even 100k smh
fresh igloo
Hmm my raidbots sim tells me that I should break my 4 set for gear 10iL higher. ...
the 4 set from last season doesn't have offensive value, so sims will not really care about it.
thin phoenix
Yeah I kinda got a lot squishier when I broke the 4 set
But damn warriors be pumping aoe dmg
nocturne spindle
4 set with no bolstering soon tm
fresh igloo
i wouldn't expect breaking the old 4 set for some ilvl jumps to make a huge difference in your survival unless something else changed
frosty mist
How much dps you're doing overall in dungeon (and your ilvl?) ? I've the feeling that i'm low.
warm plinth
Yeah there should not be an issue with your survival by breaking the 4pc so idk
ripe cave
What build is currently producing the best dps for prot war atm in m+
dire sparrow
@chrome falcon did you ever figure out what was causing the double tank stack bug happening on Mythic Experiment? We had it happen last night a few times
dire sparrow
will send logs
dire sparrow
fair
haha
we went to clear with only 1 boss up, which was fine
then the boss without changing aggro puts a stack on both of us causing a 2nd debuff to go out
dire sparrow
yeah, saw Mattacate posted about it in the RLE disc
ionic fern
Wdym, can't you survive 230k magic damage every 1s?
dire sparrow
hahahaha
warm plinth
what a noob smh
ionic fern
My co-tank was just chilling there.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
dire sparrow
i'm dreading Zskarn
ionic fern
Literally tanked up to like 10 stacks and was like "eh.,.lets clean?"
Meanwhile i was struggling to keep myself up with 5.
dire sparrow
hahahaha\
ionic fern
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Hello, ily.
vagrant gazelle
Meanwhile i was struggling to keep myself up with 5.
ironic you mention this, i just ifnished progging mythic experiments myself and was coming here to see how tf we handle that boss w/o wall/sr or anything
dire sparrow
you're at the mercy of your healers then
shut summit
you just die
ionic fern
You also had fun there i take it?
shut summit
fight sucks hard for us just like zskarn
ionic fern
warm plinth
If you die, your stacks go away 
vagrant gazelle
so im tanking thal during that last phase, is he or rion easier to actually tank for prot atm
warm plinth
ez
dire sparrow
how do you even handle bombs as a prot warrior @shut summit ?
shut summit
you make the 3rd tank do it
dire sparrow
hahaha fair
shut summit
and get pounded by the boss dot
shut summit
rest of instance is fine / looks fine but experiments and zskarn have our number
ionic fern
Idm struggling survival wise if it means i need to play well to survive.
But on those bosses it's legit "you're at your healers mercy".
Press IP = gone in 1s.
..........
dire sparrow
yip
odd nimbus
rest of instance is fine / looks fine but experiments and zskarn have our number
sense why uploads on youtube channel so slow ma man,we need them teachings
shut summit
cant upload until rest of the raid learns mechanics 
odd nimbus
😄
restive crown
how do you deal with the pelters in NL? the one that throws the discs non stop
odd nimbus
i sacrifice dps players to him 😄
pallid quiver
have you tried improving your raid team with robotic parts and brains?
restive crown
LOL
odd nimbus
have you tried improving your raid team with robotic parts and brains?
dude this can be sense's villain arc please dont make another thanos
warm plinth
how do you deal with the pelters in NL? the one that throws the discs non stop
Depends on the key level I suppose. In high keys you'll probably have to kite them like you did in Legion
restive crown
Depends on the key level I suppose. In high keys you'll probably have to kite t...
but i thought they target random players?
left trout
they run to tank if out of range or los i think
restive crown
they run to tank if out of range or los i think
ohh? ok will try
limpid anchor
you make the 3rd tank do it
I can’t tell if that’s the actual play or not :(
dire sparrow
3 tanking that fight is normal
limpid anchor
And there’s no pwar zkarn log yet
shut summit
that is the actual play
ionic fern
I mean, even on HC that fight wrecks.
Boss dot + bomb dot.
- no way to generate rage.
= yikes.
ripe flint
Dang, came here to ask for advice for our Pwar tank on Zskarn HC.. Sounds like you guys just really can't handle bombs?
warm plinth
Tell the healers they have to be awake on that fight
ionic fern
Tell the healers they have to be awake on that fight
"Why? BRM/DK/VDH/pally take no damage, why do you?"
limpid anchor
On hc it was fine for me
ionic fern
HUURRRRDUUURRR.
shut summit
HC its fine, definitely hurts, should try to use bops / immune clears ideally
but doable without
mythic its just not feasible
warm plinth
kek
limpid anchor
Should try def stance as well
ionic fern
How is Sol doing on those fights @shut summit ?
ripe flint
On hc it was fine for me
Did you do anything special in regards to rotating your CDs?
limpid anchor
No, I yelled at our Brit heals „oi, need heals“
ionic fern
Kinda surprised to hear that after all the "Bear has no defensives" chats.
But yayyy for bear,
ripe flint
Alright fair enough. Is it feasible to take bombs without CDs? Assuming attention from healers
crude notch
Alright who is this?
limpid anchor
(Not wrong)
limpid anchor
Alright fair enough. Is it feasible to take bombs without CDs? Assuming attentio...
Yes, stack rage, go def stance, and double ip
toxic pewter
I mean I don't really remember being nerfed into the ground
crude notch
(Not wrong)
Nerfed into the ground? Come on bro.
limpid anchor
Well, others got buffed
dire sparrow
other stuff got buffed whilst we got small nerfs
ripe flint
Yes, stack rage, go def stance, and double ip
Alright, thanks a bunch ^^ He'll be both happy and sad that it's just hard for Pwar :b
toxic pewter
I still feel really, really strong tbh
ionic fern
Alright, thanks a bunch ^^ He'll be both happy and sad that it's just hard for P...
It's also horrid for BDK, don't worry.
crude notch
PPal got bug fixed. Let's be clear.
ionic fern
ANd probably other tanks as well.
ripe flint
It's also horrid for BDK, don't worry.
Haha fair enough
ionic fern
My BDK co-tank is having issues even reaching the bombs on time.
dire sparrow
it's strong till you fight a boss that gives you a high ticking bleed or dot, whilst also having to be out of range
ionic fern
Not to mention that they can't heal themselves since they don't have anything to hit.
😂
crude notch
it's strong till you fight a boss that gives you a high ticking bleed or dot, wh...
You mean like almost every other tank?
dire sparrow
i mean, look at PPal 1 min 30cd on a 30%dr + it has a cheat death
you can also bubble the bombs
crude notch
Congrats is PPal every other tank?
dire sparrow
Monk can pop celestial brew in tight situations when away from the boss
warm plinth
It's not really about CDs with prot pally though. It's because they can block spells, including DoTs, and they have heals
dire sparrow
yeah spell warding is strong
pallid quiver
also they can touch themselves
ionic fern
Holy Shield.
warm plinth
Not spell warding
Not to mention they have basically passive DR that affects all types of damage
ionic fern
And they can hit the boss from further away with Judgment to generate holy-power to heal themselves.
warm plinth
yerp
ripe flint
Do the bombs count as a spell? for Spell Reflect DR I mean
ionic fern
Regardless. There are some spicy fights for tanks this tier.
dire sparrow
yis
shut summit
shrapnel bomb is physical
limpid anchor
How is dh on zkarn?
undone verge
Probably alright would be my guess, not has bad as bdk not as good as brm
Also can you not immune Zaqali? We tried to 5 immune soak and got fucked luckily the 5 immune and tanks were enough to kill it before we all died to door failure
undone verge
Yeah we did iceblock turtle, bubble, but it triggered the debuff
marble cipher
On top gear sims, is there a way to see the full list of iterations raidbots did?
For instance, when simming ring combinations, the resulting list doesn't show some of them (as they're probably worse than the top 10 it shows in the end.
But I'd like to see how much worse.
modest jewel
There should be a show more button on the list of iterations. Or something along the same lines.
undone verge
Yes you can
It was around like 5:20 that it exploded, I’d appreciate if you could take a look to see cause I’m at a loss
ionic fern
Oh,Zaqaali,no idea. Thoughy we still talking about bomba.
We all just soaked on zaqali.
marble cipher
There should be a show more button on the list of iterations. Or something along...
can't get it to show me the exact ring combo I wanna check, but did a gear compare in stead so got it to work
now it's a choice of dropping eranog+onyx for a 4k aoe dps drop in favor of more secondaries and higher ilvl or not...
think I might do it, kinda tired of running the same rings
sick sentinel
are you guys also getting clapped by last pack in VP (not the stars right before boss)? Even with SB and spamming all my rage into IP
marble cipher
are you guys also getting clapped by last pack in VP (not the stars right before...
Not really, but depends on keylevel I guess? (and if people are kicking the rally's)
sick sentinel
on 19 it was pure hell but rallys went through
toxic pewter
yeah that pack is pretty tough
sick sentinel
17-18 are fine ish and anything below is pretty much bstance
toxic pewter
prob worth lusting it even
sick sentinel
yea we did that last night
and sapped 1
maybe my 27% mastery has something to do with it 😦
dire sparrow
we ccd the right most mob, just so the rally didnt get bolstered too much because of cleave
crude notch
maybe my 27% mastery has something to do with it 😦
I assure you it isn't your secondaries
limpid anchor
Not enough vers
It’s always the vers
But on a 20 I got clapped there, didn’t expect the dmg, next time I’m just gonna keep my sw ready for it and prob lust
It’s just bad if your grp can’t interrupt and the pack lives longer than your cds last
crimson forge
Anyone know if Spell Block has use on Sark?
crude notch
yes
crimson forge
any ability in particular? I don't think it works on the tank debuff dots, so trying to figure out what else
crimson forge
ok ty, so for main hit of the tank buster, makes sense
crude notch
it also works on the dot
warm plinth
any ability in particular? I don't think it works on the tank debuff dots, so tr...
There's a spreadsheet in the faq that shows all blockable/reflectable spells for raid/dungeons.
restive scroll
There's a spreadsheet in the faq that shows all blockable/reflectable spells for...
Actually, it doesn't cover sark at this time.
Probably needs a small update=]
warm plinth
Fair enough
edgy locust
Anything u guys recently learned that u can share
Please do
Im not having fun with tanking plus 16
limpid anchor
Press your buttons faster
edgy locust
Press your buttons faster
Sounds pretty good to me 👍
Im 420 and using old 2set
Maybe thats the problem ?
crude notch
No
frosty mist
Hi guys, does anyone knows the % in stats is recommended ?
frosty mist
Specially the first packs in left
I use shieldwall for that kind of pack
ionic fern
Hi guys, does anyone knows the % in stats is recommended ?
No such thing.
edgy locust
No such thing.
Ur name means fish in persian
limpid anchor
Specially the first packs in left
You can run away from the slash, or use spell block, makes it easy
edgy locust
You can run away from the slash, or use spell block, makes it easy
There is some fire that stacks and explode that i die to mostly
I mean we get wipe
ionic fern
Ur name means fish in persian
Your name means flower in english.
edgy locust
Your name means flower in english.
Both names are beautiful tho
limpid anchor
If that’s then case, interrupt it better
edgy locust
Unless you pull the one that buffs an ore elemental
I think thats the one
limpid anchor
Yea keep interrupting and it doesn’t buff
I don’t pull them together in pugs, way too risky if you aren’t a pally with 200 interrupts
frosty mist
No such thing.
Anything that can give me an idea ? I have a lot of versa atm with the loot I have. Something like 23% versa and 25% hast atm...
edgy locust
I don’t pull them together in pugs, way too risky if you aren’t a pally with 200...
I usually get that talent gives aoe faunt a interupt aswell
warm plinth
It doesn't matter
limpid anchor
I usually get that talent gives aoe faunt a interupt aswell
Not worth
limpid anchor
Anything that can give me an idea ? I have a lot of versa atm with the loot I ha...
Stats don’t matter
Not much at least
Just get ilvl :>
warm plinth
I've said "it doesn't matter" in this chat 67 times, and I'm pretty sure all of them are in response to people asking about stats
ionic fern
Just equip your highest ilvl.
Same item level items you look into the stat priority: Haste>Vers/Crit>Mastery.
Offensively, sim yourself.
frosty mist
Ok
warm plinth
Actually it's 13.63% vers exactly
That's the magic number we pulled out of our ass
Even .01% higher or lower and you're trash
marble cipher
Or, to put it differently @limpid anchor , no, you don't need 30% vers. At all. 😄
edgy locust
True story
limpid anchor
But sense goes vers
marble cipher
don't look at Sense
Sense is an inhuman prot warrior 🤖
and also, he'll be doing content you won't be doing (most likely)
limpid anchor
Wow
edgy locust
👍
edgy locust
Specially with that mob
That thows arrows to every1 other than tank
And it hurts a lot
marble cipher
guess I want more haste? (that's with ITF at 5 stacks though) 😄
limpid anchor
You stop at 7100 haste unbuffed
crude notch
i'd add more crit
limpid anchor
Like 6.36%
jagged pier
ah yes that 3% damage reduction from both those things is going to save u
limpid anchor
Ngl I’m gonna go full Vers for zkarn
At least it’s easy with the upgrade system to have multiple sets
edgy locust
I mean some people are not asgood as some others so some dmg reduction goes a long way in most of situation
jagged pier
your going to get more value out of haste for more IPs but u do u
jagged pier
I mean some people are not asgood as some others so some dmg reduction goes a lo...
nope u cant get to any meaningful amount of vers to make it worthwhile
it literally doesnt save u at current lvls
warm plinth
No damage reduction from vers goes "a long way"
Prot warrior is you play correctly, you live; you play incorrectly, you die.
Vers is not going to save you from your mistakes.
limpid anchor
That’s not true
edgy locust
Not vers
limpid anchor
At least not in raid
edgy locust
Didnt mean vers
And pretty sure u guys are much knowledgable than me
I just said my exp
Thats how it felt
reef flame
will vers help on sarkareth p1? feel like im exploding bad on my raid every time
warm plinth
I mean, this tier's raid is still up to you and your gameplay to an extent.
jagged pier
no just play correctly
warm plinth
Play correctly, and get help from the healer when that isn't enough.
warm plinth
There are some things that are just going to wreck you even if you're playing properly.
reef flame
Is it worth it to switch to shield stones in annulet?
jagged pier
no
reef flame
Guess I just need more pulls. RL'ing it and can't get range to stop baiting bombs on boss or people to not run into first breath when dodging first disintegrate. not focusing on saving rage for IP after the claws
jagged pier
i mean we clear everyone in first breath
🤷
and u shouldnt need to save rage for IP
in your rotation u use it anyway
and u get like 2 SRs off during the duration as well
reef flame
hmmm maybe should just try that
the first breath thing
spell block deosnt help at all on this fight right?
edgy locust
Is sb always good or for some mobs
marble cipher
IF sb = shield block
IF sb = Spell Block, then only for certain stuff
reef flame
wait which dots, oblivion or the claws?
jagged pier
claws i believe
warm plinth
SB = shield block. You will confuse people if you use it for Spell Block
restive crown
just want to double check, we only run spell block in neltharion lair (piercing shard), neltharus (blazing slash) and halls of infusion (oceanic breath) ?
jagged pier
dont know why u would run spell block in HoI
restive crown
just run out of breath eh
edgy locust
A real tank never runs
limpid anchor
dont know why u would run spell block in HoI
Icecallers hurt
jagged pier
no
ionic fern
Damn.
warm plinth
Only if you didn't already get AotC
jagged pier
u cleared the raid on hc already
edgy locust
Yes
blazing condor
gotta get 3k
warm plinth
It's the alternative to AotC/elite
jagged pier
same
warm plinth
sadge
jagged pier
same
warm plinth
Mine too but I just won the roll on all of it, ezpz
deft ridge
whats the weak aura for spell reflection if you are targetted?
potent gulch
Idm struggling survival wise if it means i need to play well to survive.
But on ...
Not just healers mercy. I died due to my co partner bdk was wondering around knocking orbs. And I simply couldn't clean the dot. And then he replies. You had only 6 stacks. Why you struggle?
kindred shoal
Hey guys, on Rashok, are there any tools you're reliably using to keep track of the tanking combo?
jagged pier
^
kindred shoal
We're having a debate amongst the guildies whether the cast is fixed or if it changes it's target midcast (if taunted), I'm saying it's not fixed - can you confirm?
ionic fern
It changes mid cast.
jagged pier
it changes mid cast
limpid anchor
It changes mid cast
jagged pier
the mechanic isnt hard one tank take 1 stack the other has to take 1 of each
ionic fern
FINE, i will edit my response so it looks better.
warm plinth
We're some funny motherfuckers aren't we
kindred shoal
XD Thanks peeps - appreciate it
potent gulch
just watched 3 tank HC kill video of Zkharn.
There is real content. RWF is nothing compare to it
marble cipher
kek
restive crown
for first boss in neltharian lair, if the adds spawn far away, and the ground is covered with the crystal thing, is it better to let dps take add, or for us to move to it and get aggro on it? (assuming taunt is on cd)
crude notch
Whack that mofo with a heroic throw and pray
vague swift
you can taunt or storm bolt it, but it really doesn't matter too much if it hits someone else for a few seconds
granite pond
Nah you can let ‘em take a few hits
How does m+ have so many cloaks and all of them are garbage! Arrrgghhh
limpid anchor
for first boss in neltharian lair, if the adds spawn far away, and the ground is...
In a 20-21 the adds don’t do any damage
Our melees just taunted them if we were split
restive crown
noted, thanks for the info!
tropic linden
Hey, why the wowhead guide says to pick Brace of Impact over Unnerving Focus?
If i'm running Bolser and with the tier, shouldn't I be getting more value if i'm using LS every 1min or so?
jagged pier
brace for impact is far out just better
and if u follow the builds in the pins u use UF in raid as well as brace
limpid anchor
Is it worth to pop ls 14 sec before pull so you have the extra ss dmg during lust, or is the extra rage more valueable?
jagged pier
u loose LS when u enter combat if u pop it before hand
bitter herald
i dont even know if it was
he'd taken the first two strikes of the combo so idk what was going on
cerulean tusk
My guess, he uses DBM, it currently tells you to taunt, even if you should not 
You taunted, dbm tells him to taunt, he taunts. Death 💀
wary spire
Why is it so annoying to get good trinkets in this game?
Trinkets is the true end game
iron cosmos
Anyone knows why the anvil trinket isnt in raidbots? 😄 Or am I completely missing it
cerulean tusk
Anyone knows why the anvil trinket isnt in raidbots? 😄 Or am I completely missi...
It is somewhere bellow midpack, under the S1 trinkets
warm plinth
wat, anvil is very good 🤔
jagged pier
It is somewhere bellow midpack, under the S1 trinkets
u joking dude its one of our best
tired girder
Blizzard forgot to add loot table in the end of the dungeons???
20 runs, 1 piece of gear
jagged pier
yer thats m+ gearing for u
wary spire
Yeah it sucks
limpid anchor
Anyone knows why the anvil trinket isnt in raidbots? 😄 Or am I completely missi...
You need to activate off spec
crude notch
Considering you get two pieces in every dungeon.
limpid anchor
Otherwise it only shows tank trinkets
wary spire
Considering you get two pieces in every dungeon.
?
daring marlin
20% for another piece per key level above 20, in fact!
cerulean tusk
u joking dude its one of our best
If sims have changed, I stand corrected
limpid anchor
It’s like that for a long time
sick sentinel
The group gets two pieces of loot in every key.
used to be up to 4 people could get gear
usually more pieces dropped if you 2 or 3 chested it seemed
like, if you failed a key in bfa, it was pretty much garunteed to be 2 pieces of loot
vocal nimbus
Any tips for experiments mythic?
tropic gorge
So I did like 8 or 9 nelth runs over the weekend. Saw 2 cloaks drop for dps players, got a set of legs that I don't need cause I have tier.
No pog storm. Booo
limpid anchor
8 or 9 
edgy kindle
like, if you failed a key in bfa, it was pretty much garunteed to be 2 pieces of...
If I remember right it was 2 items for completing the key, + 1 item if timed + 0.4 items per key level above 15, so for example a 19 time would give 4.6 items ( 4 granted items and a 60% chance on a 5th one)
When doing keys above 20 everyone would get an item and some may even get 2 items
vocal nimbus
So I did like 8 or 9 nelth runs over the weekend. Saw 2 cloaks drop for dps play...
I have 33 runs and no weapon
hazy bronze
0/11 for trinkies on my mage 
ionic fern
So I did like 8 or 9 nelth runs over the weekend. Saw 2 cloaks drop for dps play...
I've only seen the ring drop.
odd nimbus
guys i can upgrade my second ring to 441,should i swap the annulet out? does it worth it? i read the pins didnt they change it?
vocal nimbus
Sim
plush tendon
guys i can upgrade my second ring to 441,should i swap the annulet out? does it ...
sim question; for single target, you will prob never swap out annulet or eggnog ring
for multi target (starting last patch) a well itamized 421 ring was outperforming a annulet for me in 6+ targets, but check your sims
odd nimbus
for mplus should i sim dungeon slice or 5 boss single 1min 30 sec?
plush tendon
try to avoid dungeon slice
I like to mimic the pull size+time that I would see in a dungeon
in a couple of sims and then make my best guess
iron cosmos
You need to activate off spec
Thanks, got it now
plush tendon
so do a ST sim, do a 5 target, then do like a 8 or 10 target to mimic the different dungeon encounters
sonic moon
welp that will be a game changer thanks
The damage you do to the raid is based off of the amount of damage you take from the dot ticking after you get hit.
It isn't mitigated based off of how much you DR the initial hit.
You should just be dumping rage into IP when your off-tanking/using spell reflect to keep a DR up until you explode.
Dumping rage into IP as needed to keep it up, that is.
plush tendon
also, something of note, in all circumstances, the stats from a big 441 is better defensively then the annulet (which is just pure damage) still this could be a opportunity cost as the damage from annulet is quite significant
odd nimbus
also, something of note, in all circumstances, the stats from a big 441 is bette...
thanks for explanation man,i kinda miss my secondaries yes.
plush tendon
I do as well 😦
oak ivy
oh? i get to have secondaries again? wooot
plush tendon
but for pure damage, its hard (nigh impossible) to replace my 421 eggnog ring with a socket and my annulet right now
maybe that crit haste ring from freehold will be my savior
oak ivy
acknowledging that it's suboptimal my operating strategy has shifted more toward "well it's all for naught if i'm fuckin dead so gimme my tankiness"
than it previously has been
plush tendon
Ive just been doing weekly 20s
I could do them at 424 item level, I can do em with whatever Ive accumulated so far
crude notch
I heard you need at least 40% vers to even zone into +20s
plush tendon
I heard you need at least 40% vers to even zone into +20s
false
plush tendon
there is no stat you need for any PVE content
crude notch
don't insult sea cucumbers like that
daring marlin
Ive just been doing weekly 20s
pretty much same lol
left nebula
plush tendon
The next few weeks for me are just chill, fill vault, and let tuning come in before I start pushing a bit
No reason to rush- season has been out for less then 2 weeks
tired girder
I am at 407 item level. At that ilvl which key levels is best to do and not be declined because of the ilvl?
I am doing around 9 keys atm
left nebula
I am doing around 9 keys atm
Appropriate
toxic gyro
Do your own key. Ppl expect 3k io and 435+ilvl for even low keys. Not to mention you have to be meta class.
spiral jetty
do people set their loot spec to fury for loot in end of dungeon chests? specifically for trinkets
edgy kindle
What you feel confortable, 9s is a good spot to get some champion gear and farm drake crests
- What Bandi said
toxic gyro
I guess it’s easy to get into low keys as tank lately bc seems like there’s lack of them.
I farmed some low keys over weekend and tanked all of them besides one bc there were always dps and healer in the group but never tank.
ancient cosmos
do people set their loot spec to fury for loot in end of dungeon chests? specifi...
Yes, I look at dungeon journal and then decide before I do the run. At this point since I crafted the 447 shield I generally set loot spec to fury
edgy kindle
Fury over Arms spec loot for any particular reason? (Forgestorm already adquired)
spiral jetty
Yes, I look at dungeon journal and then decide before I do the run. At this poin...
word. i crafted shield as well but hadn't considered loot spec and i got two terrible mit trinkets in a row
toxic gyro
Fury over Arms spec loot for any particular reason? (Forgestorm already adquired...
Once you have shield and one hand and don’t want tank trinket, definitely loot spec arms.
latent steppe
guys these are my stats for prot warr. my friend told me above 30% haste its diminishing return. without into the fray i play at 27% haste. should i remove into the fray and get heavy repercussions instead? im 2 set btw...
edgy kindle
With 2 set you should already be over 100% SB uptime, dont get heavy repercussions, just imo
toxic gyro
guys these are my stats for prot warr. my friend told me above 30% haste its dim...
Ilvl > haste > crit/vers > mastery
pallid quiver
Multiple things about that; we don't care about the first DR breakpoint, we only care at 40% before buffs from rating alone
jagged pier
u stop going for haste at 40% unbuffed
which is 7100 rating
goodluck getting there
pallid quiver
On top of that, ITF is just flat percentile, so it ignores DR
So even if you did have 7100 rating, ITF technically gains more value by virtue of being the main way of getting more haste at that level
jagged pier
yes
edgy kindle
I don't think we'll run HR this patch at any point, right?
edgy kindle
pallid quiver
since his dps need all the gear
the pain of being a raid tank
Have you actually gotten any tier, by the way?
strong forum
I don't think we'll run HR this patch at any point, right?
only if somehow S1 build turns out to be stronger
but i cant see that happening
edgy kindle
Have you actually gotten any tier, by the way?
Got my S2 master omni token, so RL decided it was worth it to complete my 2 set (after everyone's else 2 set)
pallid quiver
I meant that towards Jakey since I was curious if his loot woes had been solved but Grats to ya, now just to struggle for 2 more pieces.
or wait for catalyst
toxic gyro
Is it still 6 weeks until catalyst?
strong forum
4
cyan agate
Have you actually gotten any tier, by the way?
Got 4 set last night
edgy kindle
4 i think
toxic gyro
6 since from the start of the season I meant*
torn gulch
6 since from the start of the season I meant*
actually it was 5
since the start of the season
this season
toxic gyro
Lame, people that only m+ get fucked as always
torn gulch
i don't have a problem with it
season is 6 months long
more than enough time
you can do 20 keys with no tier set anyway
pastel cedar
So I know that BIS lists are a thing of the past but is Elemental Lariat still good for prot warrior because it sims way better than much higher necks that I have.
toxic gyro
I mean they could start catalyst like week 2-3 would be nice
strong forum
turns out doing multiple sources of content that reward gear grants it faster than only doing 1
torn gulch
catalyst is not a main source of tier
m+ only players are delusional sometimes and i am an m+ only player myself
strong forum
but i do agree that 6 weeks later is a bit steep
pallid quiver
that edit saved you :L
At any rate, it's not as good as Shadowpatch, and it needs full sockets to reach its full power iirc
torn gulch
or pvp only players
toxic gyro
The 2k io granting piece is nice
strong forum
you get 6 different chances in raid per clear to get a token, you get a guaranteed token of mastery
pallid quiver
What you talkin' about, I'm still 0p
i mean i haven't stepped into raid at all, but
pastel cedar
that edit saved you :L
At any rate, it's not as good as Shadowpatch, and it nee...
maybe im just tired but shadowpatch?
pallid quiver
now excuse me while i blindly yell on the forums about how blizz hates me as i play minimal amounts of this game
strong forum
So I know that BIS lists are a thing of the past but is Elemental Lariat still g...
lariat is pretty shit unless you have ALOT of sockets on your gear
pastel cedar
lariat is pretty shit unless you have ALOT of sockets on your gear
So I assume just go highest ilevel no matter what sims may say for overall damage?
pallid quiver
maybe im just tired but shadowpatch?
Shadowpatch is an embel introduced in this patch that you can put on like any slot. I think that's its name, at least. I actually haven't logged on yet at all this season
strong forum
well no, you keep lariat until you craft shadowflame
pallid quiver
Shadowflame, that's it
crude notch
2k, LFR was has two chances at tier starting this week. Vault.
The only one holding you back from tier, is yourself.
pastel cedar
Isn't shadowflame just what they call any item upgraded with the higher crafted crests?
crude notch
no
strong forum
shadowflame is an embellishment
pastel cedar
So like I could upgrade the lariat with them and it gets titled shadowflame something or other
harsh trellis
You want to dump the lariat and craft the shield and the belt with shadowflame
pastel cedar
Thank you for info yall I appreciate it
Primal Molten Defender and Unstable Frostfire Belt correct?
harsh trellis
Unstable Frostfire Belt and Primal Molten Defender
pastel cedar
with a shadowflame tempered armor patch?
harsh trellis
correct
pastel cedar
Thank you for being helpful I really appreciate it
marble cipher
just for info: Unstable Frostfire Belt can't be crafted with shadowflame patch, it already has an embelishment
you either go "shield+shadowflame AND frostfire belt", or "shield+shadowflame AND crafted belt+shadowflame"
pastel cedar
Also a totally random M+ question for higher tiers say 16 +. So when i raid I tend to stay in battle stance and then only swap to defensive when a big ability is going to hit me. Is that similar to how I should look at M+ or should I look at M+ as battle stance for aggro then sit in defensive?
marble cipher
(or another craft, not the belt, if you already have a good belt, I think shadowflame can also go on boots, but, not sure)
marble cipher
Also a totally random M+ question for higher tiers say 16 +. So when i raid I t...
treat def stance as a CD in keys too
a CD that won't be needed all that much until you get into higher keys, or on certain huge pulls if you wanna feel a tad bit more safe
pastel cedar
Cool that's how I was treating it. I am much more of a raiding fan but ive been trying to force my way into M+ more for gear purposes
potent gulch
Lame, people that only m+ get fucked as always
they are half human. thats ok
marble cipher
S1 tier can get you through all keys as well, a "delayed" S2 tier is not gonna make a difference
Heck, "no" tier can do it too
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sonic moon
Frostfire belt simmed significantly lower for me than crit/haste belt with a 2nd Shadow flame belt btw. So just sim.
crude notch
uh oh
sonic moon
I do not have the eranog ring**** unsure if that's a factor.
jagged pier
u have shadowflame on shield already?
crude notch
he doesn't know pepelaff
sonic moon
Yep.
jagged pier
minus 4k from your sim
unless its been fixed if u have it on shield and sim a second patch it will add like 4k onto your sim for some reason
cunning knot
Isnt crafting UNstable belt only really viable on dmg if you have the eranog ring
jagged pier
no
pastel cedar
ill prolly never have that ring I dont know anyone running eranog on mythic right now.
crude notch
It's not dependent on the ring
sonic moon
It was still significant. It was like 9.8% at 60k vs 4.4% at 60k for 2nd patch vs. frostfire.
I'd have to resim to get an exact number.
pastel cedar
I had a heroic version of the ring and im pretty sure I got rid of it after getting a big upgrade from this seasons raid like a dummy before I knew any better
crude notch
restore?
pastel cedar
Can I restore something sold ages ago?
sick sentinel
yes
pastel cedar
How? Is it just the tab to buyback?
crude notch
as long as you haven't done any character services to that toon, yes.
sick sentinel
google item restoration
crude notch
are you eu or us
sick sentinel
might have to add wow to that, but that will get you there
sick sentinel
i didn't know you couldn't restore to serviced characters
pastel cedar
us
crude notch
crude notch
i didn't know you couldn't restore to serviced characters
It resets from the point you serviced.
sick sentinel
yeah, i just never really thought about that
pastel cedar
nice I didn't know I could do that
The method prot warrior gearing guide gives pretty high praise to the lariat unless theres been an additional nerf to it since this guide was updated in march
vital spade
I'm really struggling on the trogg uldaman boss fight in +14, IS it a hard boss fight or IS it just me ?
pastel cedar
I'm really struggling on the trogg uldaman boss fight in +14, IS it a hard boss ...
It's hard because there's so many geomancers and adds... You really spend the fight gathering interrupting and then trying to stack everything on the totem which needs to be burned down to weaken the boss
vital spade
Yeah i struggle with rapidly getting all the add's aggro
And i'm getting overwhelmed pretty fast
pastel cedar
You need good dps for aoe as well
crude notch
The method prot warrior gearing guide gives pretty high praise to the lariat unl...
well 10.1 came out on May 2nd, so.
pastel cedar
well it's referring to things from 10.1 its confusing lol
crude notch
Best to follow the pins in here, yellow man normally far more updated.
dusky canopy
Yeah i struggle with rapidly getting all the add's aggro
In the pinned talent build, drop pain and gain for titanic throw helps a lot snapping aggro on mobs
I pretty much formed a habit of starting pulls with that before I drop ravager and charge
pastel cedar
I move a lot in that fight heroic leap and our various charges
crude notch
under guides/resources?
pins
vital spade
I pretty much formed a habit of starting pulls with that before I drop ravager a...
Oh thanks will try !
pallid quiver
better than the like 2 dps it was before they buffed it in test
man is it so nice they gave it like a 500% buff
sand hound
if i have the crafted shield, do i want to be in prot loot spec still?
sand hound
are they good this tier? i remember us wanting dps ones last
dusky canopy
Talisman from NL is great yes
However dps trinkets are still preferred
I loot spec fury most of the time unless a dungeon drops a trinket and a 1h then I’ll do arms to help target the trinket, for example.
left basalt
Forgestorm drop for Fury GV's?
dusky canopy
It should yeah it’s a 1h mace
left basalt
I think then its time to swap loot spec for good
I got 441 first week, but have 444 one slot this week
dusky canopy
I’m opening fury the rest of the season pretty much yeah
dusky canopy
If I want talisman I’ll farm one and use it at 441 no need for a 447
But there is definitely need for 447 dps trinkets
dusky canopy
And fury gives you the small gamble at a 447 pogstorm
Vial is kinda ehhh for us I thought
Does it sim good for you?
left basalt
no its for my fury spec
dusky canopy
Oh word
left basalt
mark/talisman from here on out for me
don't feel bad dropping spell block with the 1 min on use talisman
dusky canopy
I’ll probably run mark/thunder until I get a heroic beacon(if I ever get one)
Then whatever sims best of the 3 I guess
left basalt
mark/thunder is crazy dps
dusky canopy
Exactly
left basalt
i just like the extra defensive cause pugs
dusky canopy
Yeah I think talisman will be huge in some scenarios so I’ll farm one to have the option for it eventually
left basalt
SW/Talisman for every pull basically
dusky canopy
Right right
left basalt
I've gotten lucky with drops compared to S1, now just need to push, almost 2300
dusky canopy
Talisman on nelt wardens probably massive
I priod the 4 legacy keys at 20 for vault first
This coming week I’ll probably target trinkets
cunning knot
How do I sim 447 frostfire + current eranog ring and then 447 rando ring + second shadowflame embellsiment? I cant droptimize because I dont have something to replace my embellishments
left basalt
top gear?
cunning knot
i only have 1 out of 4 of that gear
dusky canopy
We can save you the time and tell you that eggnog ring is bis in ST always
2x shadow flame can sim better than 1x\ffb depends on your current gear
clever heart
2x Shadowflame Armor Patch (Boots/Belt/Wrists/Shield) - how do we decide which slots to craft the embelishment on ? just pick our lowest i lvl pieces ? or like is there a smart long term method of thinking.
like boots + belt give more main stat per lvl right ?
cunning knot
We can save you the time and tell you that eggnog ring is bis in ST always
2x sh...
i dont want time saved, I want to see the difference in simming that scenario
left basalt
i sent you a DM @dusky canopy
clever heart
Long term you will want it on belt or boots
smart !
how do u feel about shield ? are they any possible pros or cons to putting it there
crude notch
con is you have to minus 4k from your sim.
clever heart
lol
dusky canopy
Pros is you can add 4k to your sim
I currently run it on belt/shield
I will probably go to belt/boots eventually so I can use it on offspec as well
Does anyone know if it can go on neck?
Wouldn’t mind doing that as well but I don’t think neck is considered armor
clever heart
I will probably go to belt/boots eventually so I can use it on offspec as well
SEE that's the kinda thinking i appreciate ! didnt think about offspec.
dusky canopy
Cheers
Tbh I’m probably going to use next spark on a neck with Crit/haste and flavor pocket and then with 4th spark I’ll make boots but who knows it’ll depend on my vaults and what pieces are lowest ilvl etc
hushed harbor
for keys are yall simming patchwerk 3 boss, dungeons slice, other?
dusky canopy
M+ Patchwerk Sims
1T 3min lust
5T 1min no lust
10T 40sec lust
Pick and choose what you want to optimize these 3 settings will get you there
hushed harbor
Thank you for this. WoW needs an in-game sim option lol.
dusky canopy
Would be cool but probably won’t ever happen lol
hushed harbor
not when the community does all the work! /s
pallid quiver
also because simming takes a non-zero amount of processing power
strong forum
con is you have to minus 4k from your sim. <:keks:936231610850897992>
just slam shadowflame on shield + somewhere else
you get your +4k back
pastel atlas
is lariat gonna be coming back later in the season when we get max sockets again or is it gg
jagged pier
its gone
strong forum
straight up removed from the game
they buffed dmg embellishs, but didnt buff lariat to compete with it, they nerfed it instead
so now almost everybody in the game is using raw dmg embellishs
even dps
remote venture
Well, it was bad that everyone had to get lariat, the other embellishs was just to WEAK
dusky canopy
I’m honestly surprised that didn’t occur to them when balancing
At the end of the day we’re going to just use whatever is best anyway so they can’t win lol
daring marlin
they buffed dmg embellishs, but didnt buff lariat to compete with it, they nerfe...
I wish I could have been there for that decision.
Hey, Lariat is super overrepresented. Let's nerfed it. Alright, good. Now buff all the other ones and make the new ones super good too!
pastel cedar
When having an item crafted like the primal molten defender do I need to provide certain items to make sure I get the highest item level or is it just request it pay for it and include the sparks to get the what is it 424 gear level?
i get I can add an embellishment as part of it that part makes sense
I just didn't knwo if there was any random chance on ilevel
fresh igloo
Max quality mats always because lower quality hurts recraft later.
bitter herald
the range of ilvls you can get is the quality^
add enchanted drake/wyrm/etc crest to raise the ilvl of the range
fresh igloo
I've seen some large penalties on recraft orders people sent me
bitter herald
oh did they fix the recraft graphic bug
strong forum
No
urban bane
The one where if you craft an order and it turns out, say, 4-star then recraft the order and it turns out 5 star, it shows as 4 star in mail until they open it?
strong forum
But you don't need a spark to re-craft
bitter herald
the one when recrafting from primal infusion to cpi it visually, though not actually, would add the difficulty of both to the craft
urban bane
oh that's cringe
bitter herald
it felt odd asking people to set min quality to rank 4 for a guaranteed rank 5 craft
clever heart
I think i read in here somewhere that a 421 Eranog ring will still be bis in ST over a 447 crit haste ring. that really true ?
dusky canopy
Yes
pastel cedar
So for the shadowflame patches I need to craft something to apply those right? So I can't add them to an existing item its included in the shield creation and then if I want another I need to make another item of some sort?
dusky canopy
Annulet/M eggnog is bis ST
sick sentinel
so, im probably supposed to have another spark by today right
i think i had one of the halfs in my bag last week, and i dont know if i got it this week
dusky canopy
This week was 2nd spark I thought
sick sentinel
whats the items im supposed to look for in bank
bitter herald
So for the shadowflame patches I need to craft something to apply those right? S...
yeah the shadowflame armour patch needs to be put on a crafted item (cant go on raid/dungeon gear)
can be added to an item on craft or recraft
sick sentinel
yeah, i only have 1 half
bitter herald
have you done the worthy ally: niffen weekly
sick sentinel
apparently not, still 4/5 heroic, thats literal loading in tho
dusky canopy
You get what, Like 4 rep items for niffen? Hang onto those so you don’t have to do world content for 4 weeks lol
left trout
for the 3 pulls before the last boss of neltharius is there some trick to handling that blazing sword attack? it seems to kinda tear me apart
dusky canopy
Spell block
It just hits hard
So rotate through your defensives
Ideally you open the pull with demo shout and LS rolling so once demo is about to drop off use SW and once SW is about to drop off send Spell block
dusky canopy
Ideally mobs dead by then if not go dstance and pray lol
pastel cedar
Okay I think I have all the items I only have a wyrm's shadowflame crest so I assume with everything 424 is the ilevel I should expect and then if I get an aspect crest I can have it recrafted?
Spell block and make sure you have your ignore pain maxed as best you can depending on rage
crude notch
you need 4 aspect crests to turn it into an enchanted aspect crest
then you can upgrade said item to 447
bitter herald
dont forget spell reflect has a dr component that can help quite a bit
pastel cedar
you need 4 aspect crests to turn it into an enchanted aspect crest
Is it worth just waiting to make the shield or is it simple enough to recraft later on?
bitter herald
depends on how long itll take you to gather 4 aspect crests 😛
pastel cedar
Well considering I haven't seen one yet im going to assume I have a while
ill bite the financial bullet to recraft I guess lol
bitter herald
16+ or higher dungeons or mythic raiding give aspect fragments
wyrm can hit 437 which is still strong
dusky canopy
Is it worth just waiting to make the shield or is it simple enough to recraft la...
Pretty much the only setback is some gold for mats otherwise there is no down side to crafting a wyrm version, you shouldn’t waste wyrm crests either because you get an enchanted wyrm crest for free from one of the new quests. Idr if it’s campaign or raid related but yeah
fresh igloo
Pretty much the only setback is some gold for mats otherwise there is no down si...
killing sark at the end of the MSQ i believe
dusky canopy
Good call yeah that sounds right
jagged pier
thats nothing
ppl did hundreds of vault of the warden runs
and that was time limited
jagged pier
true
daring marlin
thats nothing
hey man they're like "I've done single digit runs is the drop chance super low???"
jagged pier
daring marlin
dusky canopy
Got pogstorm at 7 so it’s almost guaranteed that the trinkets will take 100s of runs at this point right
craggy pilot
dusky canopy
Grats dude! I didn’t realize people still ran that
errant leaf
You in the wrong raid i think
weary python
Once we have a 447 shield is it then worth flipping loot spec on vault to arms/fury? Or still stay prot for some of the defensive trinkets?
final mist
Try Fury for trinkets / Pogstorm until you have a Pogstorm IMO
sick sentinel
i think i want to craft bracers with my new spark
final mist
Most defensive trinkets aren't usually worth it / necessary unless you're doing some super high shit, if you're dying just play better 👍
sick sentinel
and then i can sparkle on the shield and ??? for second embellishment
bitter herald
Once we have a 447 shield is it then worth flipping loot spec on vault to arms/f...
i legit opened my first vault with arms for better trinket chances
(admittedly i didnt know forgestorm was a thing at the time)
i got an anvil out of it so worth imo
sick sentinel
heroic dungeon devler's trophy chest is a scam
both times got item i couldnt effectively use, or, doesn't seem to drop armor pieces
daring marlin
It can drop armor and trinkets too
dusky canopy
Rocks is kind low key good isn’t it?
sick sentinel
nah im good fam
dusky canopy
Set bonus is bad but the rock it’s self is decent yeah?
sick sentinel
ill wait till i get some other neck with haste
i sort of wish that the set bonuses went to 6 and 8 again
daring marlin
drogbar rocks slap
sick sentinel
game: you cant be in combat to loot this quest item.
also game: spawns a guy who puts me in combat when i loot the thing for the quest....
latent steppe
should i get spell block talent for halls of infusion +20 guys
drakes with casters are giga nasty...
shut summit
you can, can also just take a couple steps away during breath and be fine
bitter herald
+avatar can cleanse the dot
echo egret
Dropping Tough as Nails for Bolster, do you feel the threat difference ?
echo egret
I read "generates high threat" hence the question
final mist
Yes but you shouldn't have threat issues assuming you're pressing buttons and don't have a dps in the group that is like 40 ilevels higher than you
echo egret
meh, on pulls sometimes, when DPs are trigger-happy
ancient cosmos
Only issue I had recently was a fury warrior who would pop everything as I'm gathering mobs and died then raged, but that's a him problem
Dps have to control themselves for like 2 seconds
And most do
sick sentinel
can this recipe drop in lfr too, and also i thought it drops from first raid ?????
strong forum
Pretty sure you can just buy it from the AH
sick sentinel
well, its 115k, don't feel like wowtoken-ing up atm
i had saw it for ??? but in 100's of k gold before, so i never bothered, i want to say most i saw it for was 200k
ah, this explains it all
0.5-0.9 % drop rate from boss
pastel cedar
this fire ring was just for st right?
stat rings still better for aoe
For raids 440 + for mythic +
nocturne spindle
But then you can't engi wrists for loads o haste
dusky canopy
Pretty sure yogi just wants to collect the pattern weeshy
nocturne spindle
ah
regal estuary
Does anyone have any pointers on the taunt swap for Zskarn? It feels like trying to adopt the cadence recommened by IV or Wowhead doesn't give enough time to for the dot to actually fall off, and I just feel like I'm rotting away in heroic if I'm off boss. Feels like I'm missing something but the recommendation of swapping at 4-5 stacks (IV) or 5-7 (wowhead) doesn't seem to match what is happening in the fight
latent hull
Does anyone have any pointers on the taunt swap for Zskarn? It feels like tryin...
First taunt ~8 stacks and then whenever the debuff drops thereafter works for us.
regal estuary
First taunt ~8 stacks and then whenever the debuff drops thereafter works for us...
are you and co-tank handling bombs or is that being handled by the raid and/or invulns (pally, hunter, etc)
latent hull
We have a Pally and hunter….so between those two and the two tanks … bombs are handled
sick sentinel
Pretty sure yogi just wants to collect the pattern weeshy
well, i would collect it so that i could craft them for my self
chilly brook
can this recipe drop in lfr too, and also i thought it drops from first raid ???...
All the patterns from last raid were also moved to this raid
sick sentinel
i'd say others, but i haven't crafted a single thing outwards for people i think, like, my own alts for quest weekly
chilly brook
Blizz actually did a smart thing
regal estuary
We have a Pally and hunter….so between those two and the two tanks … bombs are h...
We just have a solo paladin and no hunters currently
sick sentinel
son of a bitch, well, at least its confirmed and consistant
chilly brook
And recognized that people aren’t going back to a tier old raid just to get a pattern
dusky canopy
Does anyone have any pointers on the taunt swap for Zskarn? It feels like tryin...
I second that we did 8-9 stacks then every time debuff fell off
sick sentinel
They will for a ring
dusky canopy
Use wall when you have full stacks and have to collect bombs
daring marlin
Our man did it @crude notch @dusky canopy
chilly brook
I’ll just press buttons better than people who are trying to fix their parse by getting an item
daring marlin
yogi fuels my work day
nocturne spindle
honestly just pug some paladins and let them do bombs @regal estuary
lmao
its awful doing it yourself
dusky canopy
yogi fuels my work day
You know it! LOL
median tulip
Just got a shard of rokmora... pure defensive trinket - any use for raiding purposes?
dusky canopy
honestly just pug some paladins and let them do bombs <@108013692154605568>
Yeah I had 5 paladins on my first heroic kill, rotating bubble for bombs
regal estuary
dusky canopy
Just got a shard of rokmora... pure defensive trinket - any use for raiding purp...
Heard it’s kinda meh
regal estuary
I'm not a fan so far of this fight lol
chilly brook
I'm not a fan so far of this fight lol
Wanna know how to like the fight?
dusky canopy
chilly brook
||Respec arms and blast||
dusky canopy
Arms gamers always topping that fight
regal estuary
I've only worked on prog on echo like one night so far but I think thematically its awesome lol
chilly brook
I like all the fights
regal estuary
one of my guild members called it "anime as fuck" and I can't disagree while getting kicked through walls
chilly brook
Just zskarn kinda big meh
Then again I’ve only done them on normal
I actually really enjoyed Sarkareth
nocturne spindle
does zskarn suck for DH as well?
chilly brook
Ironically for how “easy” of a last boss it is people big dumb on it
nocturne spindle
theyre basically all dps healing right
regal estuary
I was unfortunately ill when my guild ran normal sarkareth so I have still to see it
ocean yoke
Being punted by neltharion is the shit
chilly brook
does zskarn suck for DH as well?
Super high uptime on brand if they have tier so idk
Probably pretty comfy
daring marlin
I think Sark is super fun.
Puzzled by people fucking it up but eh
happens in pugs!
chilly brook
I think Sark is super fun.
Is a good fight imo
I even volunteer to do bombs!
Imagine volunteering to do mechanics
daring marlin
I'm also cool with it being pretty easy compared to other end bosses
Of tiers I've actually raided
Bombs are so easy and allow you to get more DAMAGE!
dusky canopy
How’s heroic sark compared to Normal it’s the only heroic boss I haven’t pugged yet
toxic pewter
just a pure mechanics fight
chilly brook
Bombs are so easy and allow you to get more DAMAGE!
Exactly
It’s great
Our mage was like “I’m doing bombs so my damage sucks” meanwhile I’m doing bombs and topping on my devoker
latent steppe
asking for a returning friend he is tryna decide between DK and Warrior. He wants to go high for m+'s. as a prot warr main i ofc suggested prot warr but i wanted to ask you guys for clean advise
chilly brook
Just play what you like
All tanks (yes even Druid) are good
Druid about to get giga big in the .5 patch
And DK probably struggles the most this season ironically
dusky canopy
Bear sleeper you watch
left basalt
Just got a shard of rokmora... pure defensive trinket - any use for raiding purp...
I run Talisman over Shard, wasn't doing much of anything with the cap on each attack.
chilly brook
Bear sleeper you watch
It is though fr, have you seen that tree on 10.1.5?
chilly brook
It also just doesn’t care much about the dungeons
Cuz so much physical dam
So the problems that needed addressing last season don’t really exist this season
median tulip
I run Talisman over Shard, wasn't doing much of anything with the cap on each at...
Yeah, I did the math and figured it's like 32 attacks to reach the absorb cap
hushed harbor
IMO generally the difference between DK and Prot warrior is reactive vs proactive.