protection

[daring marlin]

last key I did on my pally it was 2700 DPS from the proc alone

pretty yuge

[sullen gust]

So this is probably a stupid question, but if engineering has a battle rez, is there a reason that isn't considered as a prot warrior? Like with paladins being as versatile as they are with heals and a rez, it would go a way to patch up some of the utility difference

[jovial birch]

I really like the flightstone only upgrade path once you already have something in that slot upgraded otherwise I probably would have never even leveled forgestorm up to try it.

[dapper vapor]

Fairly confident a 441 Forgestorm is better than any other weapon you can get

[daring marlin]

For sure.

[jovial birch]

I will have to try it in a dungeon today.

[dapper vapor]

You can get the bres cuffs without being engineer btw

they're not profession locked

[jovial birch]

Nope you will just get steeped sometimes trying to use them 🤦‍♂️

Sheeped into Wise Mari frontal last season

[sullen gust]

Oh deadass?

[strong forum]

paladin res is instant, bracers can fail and have a cast during which you cant block

[sullen gust]

Its not ideal, but surely having an extra chance to save a key would be worth the risk?

[charred ivy]

i see on guide it say to use talent Bolster i guess is nice for 4 set. but i see many ppl on top use spell block. seems fair to use spell block if stuff does alot dmg?

[strong forum]

obv its not bad

but its nowhere near as effective especially on tank

[strong forum]

youll have block downtime if you dont play bolster with ITF

to get spellblock you just drop another talent as explained in pins

[charred ivy]

i just feel more squishy now idk why. dont manage keep IP up as much. maybe i need more haste idk. had np before

[strong forum]

its a fort bolstering week

ofc are you gonna feel squishier

[jagged pier]

during the new season

[strong forum]

placebo is huge

[jagged pier]

with new k value

[jovial birch]

Double bolstered snake bite in uldamon fucking slap. I’ve resorted to kiting them around the pillars.

[charred ivy]

i mean chomp fucking eat me alive in uldaman xD

[chrome falcon]

Yeah the basilisks in uldaman

Are insane

I kite at 1 stack on 20+

And slam every CD and cry to healer at 2 stacks (and die anyway)

[charred ivy]

well good its not just me. cause i just feel bad

[chrome falcon]

Just call for stuns, shield charge works

Actually I meant to say that I think those mobs are bugged

I pulled 2 and they both got stunned by 1 shield charge

[jovial birch]

Yeah I always pull both in the pillar room and they get bolstered by the other two mobs.

[chrome falcon]

Ya but you know how the mobs work right?

[jovial birch]

Yeah you can range the bite easy and they are stunnable

[chrome falcon]

Yes but they have a huge stacking damage buff

Stunning them resets it and makes them take more damage

But it has to be a long stun so shockwave doesn’t work

[jovial birch]

On the setherek snake guys?

[chrome falcon]

But shield charge seems to stun both

He

Yes*

[jovial birch]

Didn’t know that

[chrome falcon]

Yeah long aoe stuns are super op there

[jovial birch]

I always stormbolt one but I didn’t realize it was helping to reset stacks I was just doing it to get it off me.

Thanks for the tip!

[tame jasper]

just kite them

[mild river]

How do we survive the frontal + dot from the elementals in neltharion's lair? Defensives is not enough. I feel I really need some strong spot heal when I have nothing. Is it possible to line of sight somehow? Out range?

[tame jasper]

bolstering runs out anyway and they then do just nothing

[jovial birch]

Shieldwall frontal and when that runs out impending victory during the dot ticks.

Spell reflect mitigates some of it as well I believe.

Obviously shield block and IP up

[mild river]

Ok thanks

[jovial birch]

Beyond that it is kind of on the healer to keep you up during the dot

[dry spear]

i'd like to share with you a kind situation just happend. was looking for some UR 20 keys and got no invite for like 30 min. then i get one. the run was good, it was +2 but at the end i had a really good talk with the healer, talking about the route, pack pulls, bosses and stuff. at the end the healer stated: you are good, just dare more and you'll even succeed further. that talk we had was worth the waiting.

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-tears-tearyeyed-about-to-cry-gif-4917303

[jovial birch]

Dare to be great!

[spice lotus]

Does anyone have thoughts on what to drop to get disrupting shout while having new 4pc in M+? I assume we wanna keep punish because of the tier synergy, but I'm really not sure what else is optional

[tawny briar]

I think I dropped the bleed rage talent? Bloodsurge?

[jovial birch]

@dry spear what kind of numbers were the dps pulling to 2 chest the 20?

I feel like it’s always my dps slowing the runs down.

My teams dps* not mine personally

[jovial birch]

Damn I figured it would have to be higher honestly

Nice prot damage!

[spice lotus]

UR doesn't need high aoe DPS tbh. Needs decent single target and 2 target cleave

[jagged pier]

show of force

but that shout is pointless

[tawny briar]

I find it very useful in pugs. And gives me an oh shit interrupt when my dps are being monkeys

[jagged pier]

but u have int shout

and shockwave

and stormbolt

[jovial birch]

Run intimidating shout, shockwave, stormbolt shouldn’t need the other

If your dps can’t make up the rest that is a failure on their end

[jagged pier]

^

[tawny briar]

True but that's pug life

[jagged pier]

yer the pugs die

i dont

they learn to intuprt

[tawny briar]

Lol

[jovial birch]

Hahaha true ^

And I will probably still be alive when they get back.

[sullen gust]

With new tierset, I wanna macro last stand onto another CD, do we think Avatar to align with the big CDs or shield Slam to just full send last stand ASAP?

[jovial birch]

Ideally line it up with avatar on pull but don’t hold it waiting

[spice lotus]

I find it can help carry you through when you play a group comp designed for ppal, I've had a lot of balance, hunter, spriest type keys lately where there's a major comp design issue, and you can act as "the prot paladin we have at home" with disrupting shout

[jovial birch]

Unless it’s like 5-10 seconds or something

[jagged pier]

i did keys with 2 boomies a spriest and evoker

we were fine

[spice lotus]

/shrug that's an extra aoe silence over the comp I keep ending up in

which like I freely admit, it's a bad comp and that's the core problem, but it's the comp I am stuck playing rn

[sullen gust]

Thats fair, I shall put in on Avatar for when I smooth brain and forget it while I get used to the new set but send that fucked on CD if I see it, ty

[tawny briar]

I also think it helps a major weakness of prot which is gathering caster groups. I started using it mid last season and like it a lot. I'm not saying it's necessary but I find it very useful to havr

[jovial birch]

That’s fair use of it right there.

I just charge and drag everything to the casters or charge out interrupt charge back and they follow. Ideally a range interrupts them.

[tawny briar]

Ya. I found waiting for your range to kick a caster not in the group is a losing battle in most pugs. They gotta pew pew

[jovial birch]

Yeah, same experience thus manic charging haha

[dense coral]

is there an CAP on HASTE%% unbuffed

Or go as much as possible

got 32% now unbuffed

[jovial birch]

There is a soft cap, with diminishing returns after I can’t recall what it is though without being logged in to see.

[tawny briar]

I think I keep seeing 7100?

[jovial birch]

There is an addon or weakaura that will tell you soft cap when you mouseover your stats and show the diminishing returns if you go over. I can’t recall what it is though.

[torn gulch]

you want haste until 7100 (40%) when you start to go into heavy diminushing return

[dense coral]

okay thanks!

[edgy kindle]

Any reason we're being given the low tier tank treatment? I mean, our dps isn't crazy, but it's sustained and we're rock solid, think prot war is getting a little too much hate this season

[marble cipher]

Perception and key statistics

Many high end players min max and swapped to prot pala

Don't pay attention to those silly tier lists and play what you like

Unless what you like is 'Guardian'

(j/k)

[edgy kindle]

Only time I decided to reroll into another class was Shadowlands S1, Prot felt weak and gameplay wise was meh, so played Brew for 2 tiers

[marble cipher]

Prot was sleeper spec back then, as necro with banner. It was super good

[edgy kindle]

But I love so much DF Prot

I think Banner was still to be reworked in SL S1, but yeah, can't tell for sure

[jovial birch]

I’m having fun playing prot and don’t feel like a “lower tier” tank. Still getting groups just fine.

I do have a boost from DF that is tempting me to make a link or teal dude.

Pink*

[dusky canopy]

we have 3 stops, kick, mobility, big damage, very tanky

fotm people just reee whenever youre not the fotm spec lol

[jovial birch]

I was doing like 200k first pull of freehold with CDs.

I mean I know Bree would be more but it’s not bad at all.

Brew

[dusky canopy]

also if i recall correctly, we do the highest st in our m+ spec

so thats good value too

[jovial birch]

Tier helps with that to cranking out SS single target.

I don’t have 4 set yet but 2 is nice.

[dusky canopy]

2 set feels great yeah

activates the season 2 build

i like it so far

[jovial birch]

During lust window I got last stand down to like 1:13 cd

[pastel atlas]

In p3 on sarkareth normal, are we supposed to go down or thats just for heroic?

[hushed harbor]

I didn’t. Just mitigated and the aoe on the raid was minimal. The hardest part was getting smoothbrains to stand in the blue lines.

[pastel atlas]

Alright thanks

[hasty musk]

is alchemist stone trinket any good?

[glass iron]

I've done 49 keys this week

send help

oh god

[jovial birch]

Send me some crests

[glass iron]

kekw

[jovial birch]

I think I have done 20 something and that has felt like a lot in my limited playtime.

[nocturne spindle]

done like

15 nelths and 15 VP

no trinkies

[marble cipher]

VP trinket 🤔

[dusky canopy]

yeah the tank trinket owns

does like 7%

[nocturne spindle]

Yea heard it's good and just sims weird?

Just wanted to try it

[dusky canopy]

yes

yeah sense posted screenshots of it the other day

it does good damage

[vital arch]

I love that thing so much

I posted yesterday but it does more damage than my grapple. I’m ass at lining up CDs so having a passive damage trinket pump so hard is a blessing

and it does a lot ST, I don’t know if that’s just because I suck at pressing SB procs but it helps get more value on bosses

[toxic pewter]

do ret pal value vers

[graceful kite]

yes

[toxic pewter]

ok have 1 in my guild who has everything vers

interesting

[graceful kite]

haste vers iirc

[toxic pewter]

i see

[vital arch]

They do but their 4pc set build focuses more on haste but it’s really more or less the same build and they go back and forth on what build to use

[toxic pewter]

this guy gemming vers crit

O_o

[graceful kite]

well it depends on a gear and what sims best

[toxic pewter]

true

[graceful kite]

but vers is good

[vital arch]

Vers Crit is good too

Depending on what build you’re using and tier set and whatever. With ret the stats are fairly even

[toxic pewter]

as long as they freedom me at all times i dont care

[viral elk]

It helps. If you can mitigate raid wide damage then go for it.

[ember tangle]

is there really no neck with high haste this season?

[viral elk]

There's one in ulda

With mastery

[ember tangle]

kinda rip

[viral elk]

Little bit

I just crafted

[ember tangle]

crafted is probably just the way to go then

[fluid beacon]

wanted cragshaper tinket, got rokmora trinket instead

sadge

[viral elk]

Happened to me too. Some people in my group were like "it reduces damage just wear it"

[fluid beacon]

per swing shit is always inferior

gimme a big old shield instead

[viral elk]

Big time. Got cragshaper last night though. Stick with it brother

[fluid beacon]

😦

about to get my shit pusherd it again tonight on mythic experiments

trying to get cragshaper for it

[weary python]

Any rough estimate of how solid a replacement ring must be to replace a 415 Signet of Melandrus, or a 421 Seal of Diurna's chosen?

Also the Shadowflame armor patch can proc the frostfire belt, right?

[fluid beacon]

sim

[viral elk]

HA that's exactly what I had in mind while I was farming it

[fluid beacon]

150-200k per second outside of all other damage going ouyt

is no bueno

so i reset my stacks as earkly as i can

[viral elk]

Same, me and prot pally be holding hands in that shit

[stark lance]

Just missed out on 2pc to some carry dragon in the raid

i rolled 30, he rolled 31

thats one way to gquit and end your sub on a Sunday 🙂

[strong forum]

that seems a bit dramatic

[fresh igloo]

yah.

drama queen af.

[strong forum]

i wouldnt say that, thre a

[cinder storm]

I wouldn't say it but I'd think it

[fresh igloo]

quitting the game at the drop of a hat because you lost an open roll by 1

lulz

[daring marlin]

[cinder storm]

A rl for a Saturday aotc chill raid vibes cancelled the raid for the rest of the season bc he wouldn't get upgrades

[jagged pier]

Imagine rage quiting over gear when your a tank

I dont think ill begetting more gwar this season dont even have 4 set

[tame jasper]

back in the day with first need xD

[jagged pier]

I memeber

[daring marlin]

when boss melees absolutely trucked

[jagged pier]

Yer cause u tanked without a shield

[indigo sable]

Is there a point where an item discrepancy is worth breaking s1 4 piece?

[icy yarrow]

they should hit that hard again, maybe we would hav something to do in raid

[jagged pier]

Just taunt early on echo he'll hit u for 1 mil after mitigation

[icy yarrow]

nah, yesterday on hc reclear my co pally died and was tanking it with debuff, was fun af

[hazy hazel]

Just saw the tank standings. Prot wars dmg hurting that much? Think we’ll see an increase?

[daring marlin]

🔮

[hazy hazel]

Speculation. Can you see that in the cloudy hall?

Ball*

[icy yarrow]

whenever comes the situation with physical dmd i just ignore it, magic on the other hand... idk why ppl say prot bad this tier

[jagged pier]

can we please stop looking at teir lists from wowhead and stuff

because they are just pulled form subcreation

and only shows popularity

literally nothing else

[hazy hazel]

I was looking at parsing stats. Wowhead posted it but assumed it came from log metrics.

[dusky canopy]

yeah people look at those and assume whatever specs are bad based on the list

[icy yarrow]

try to say that open chat out of this discord

[dusky canopy]

thats literally not how it works

lmao

[jagged pier]

their look at all percentiles

thats garbage info

95% later

slightly better

but yes we dropped that far

cause we do intergrate with beacon

[marble cipher]

Which trinket are we talking about here? Can't look ingame as not home, and can't really find something interesting in wowhead (but I probably suck at searching)

[icy yarrow]

back in SL was kicked prio myt progress cos i ignored the tier rank and prot was not a suitable tank for that purposse, best /gquit my life

[jagged pier]

VP one

[dusky canopy]

"Heart of Thunder"

its really really good

sims are off

[pallid quiver]

Just buy 19 other computers, pay for 19 more accounts, and be the raid. smh jakey's not dedicated enough to get gear

[jagged pier]

yer a guild which follows tier lists blindly is scary

they just prove they actually know nothing

[daring marlin]

I need that vp trinket

[jagged pier]

like the casters in the last MDI of SLs when sense just bought warrior cause it was good and he liked it

[marble cipher]

Thanks, I'll farm it. Beats only farming Nelth for weapon, can switch it up then haha

[jagged pier]

and they thought it must be because secret tech

[marble cipher]

Maybe finally something to replace windscar....

(in keys)

[icy yarrow]

Sense

[hazy hazel]

Ahh thought it was just 95th. I feel like on average I do as well as other tanks around the 90th. But I also focus on my output unlike a lot tanks that don’t really.

Was just curious if it was just skewed or genuine

[pallid quiver]

To be fair to casters, though, they have to play into public perception otherwise the crowd and audience hate the shit out of the production.

i'm going to ignore the fact that they probably just legit didn't know, causing them to fall straight back into being able to be blamed

[daring marlin]

All I ever get is the vers/haste neck when I do vp

[tame jasper]

I nmever saw this trinket there 😄

(and the back either :/ )

[hazy hazel]

I run MoD+grapnel. Maybe it’s time to chase heart

[dusky canopy]

its basically the new whetstone in terms of value

[tame jasper]

i run old icon + grapnel

[hazy hazel]

I’m always baffled by how much dmg Mark does

[tame jasper]

didnt get any trinkets yet except the two mastery trinkets every offwarrrior wants

[oblique kayak]

i got the anvil - awesome aswell

[jagged pier]

no theres sarcastic Dratnos and then theres him legit questioning why they bought a pwarrior

[hazy hazel]

437 avg 6-7% of my dmg

[jagged pier]

yer anvils really good if you can keep chaining

and keep the stacks

[daring marlin]

Chain into bosses on tyrannical

hope your healers got rashok trinket

[jagged pier]

so far no healer in my raid has got rashok

trinket

we have not had it drop

[daring marlin]

that's fucked

[oblique kayak]

same

[hazy hazel]

Haven’t seen it or beacon yet

Seen 2 scales off first boss though

[karmic plinth]

it was so they could give mastery for the warlock

[jagged pier]

oh yer they did actually say that didnt they

[karmic plinth]

and they thought glory extended it for the group

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bang-head-gif-13228852

tbf was the same season in the dratnos and tettles tier list they stated that warrior was bad against sustained damage, and bad at dealing damage

but lets not talking about banner execute or anything

and how we were legit the best PI target

but no one trusted me

[karmic plinth]

man i miss banner execute

[oblique kayak]

maybe Mark/Heart is actually a good combo. Damn so many trinkets out there

Anvil, scale, grapnel, Beacon…

really dislike the casting time on beacon but…the sims

[strong forum]

its not jsut sims

beacon is disgusting dmg

seen people do like 13k dps with beacon in m+

that trinket is just straight up not ok

[tropic gorge]

nelth run # ive forgotten

fury loot spec. come on 1h weapon

[dusky canopy]

3hrs for invites 😄

fucking tier lists bro

[strong forum]

yeah man damn tierlists

[dusky canopy]

dude i know we pump

people are Reee

[strong forum]

ik

its just so stupid

[dusky canopy]

i can get in to anything below 20 np

any 20 i apply to is like gg no invite

HHHrrrr neeeed pally dddrrr

[echo egret]

Are there some S2 dungeons where you take spell block, like TOJS and RLP in S1 ?

[dusky canopy]

i would def take it in NELT

the wardens going to clap them cheeks otherwise

[strong forum]

both nelths its has uses

[echo egret]

For what spell ?

[dusky canopy]

blazing slash in nelth

[echo egret]

I haven't toroughly checked that part yet

[strong forum]

blazing slash in neltharus and some random casts here and there
in NL its useful on bosses when you dont have SR ready

and on the piercing shard frontal, but that one is only for impact, against the dot you dont have alot

so all in all Spellblock isnt overly useful outside of Neltharus

[echo egret]

ok

[stark lance]

I’m more just sick of grinding out tier to feel optimal

[dusky canopy]

Think my pb so far this season is 84k

not that great tbh i need trinkets and 4pc bad

ope its 85k haha

freaking survival bottom tierlist

pumpin

xD

[jovial birch]

Damn sleeper spec

[dusky canopy]

once again tier lists so stupid

[tepid niche]

bring the player, not the spec

[cinder storm]

I went into FH 17 yesterday for the first time this season, got my ol'reliable route, turns out harlam pulls the mobs, which is obvious lore wise as they are his elite guard so to speak

[tepid niche]

i can't do 85k dps as tank lol

[daring marlin]

Easier to do big dam when the healer isn't doing any and the third dps is doing tank dps though

[dusky canopy]

that was 20fh overall

wait

i think it was the 20 idr

[daring marlin]

Be more impressive if it were all three dps around 140k+

[dusky canopy]

might of been a key level or two lower

ive done alot this weekend so far

[jovial birch]

Probably same pulls though if it was still freehold

[dusky canopy]

really guilford? i would of thought the opposite

usually its easier to do big overall if everyone is blasting

[jovial birch]

Yeah stuff does before your damage starts to drop.

Dies

[daring marlin]

If shit is actually dying fast you don't get all of your CDs pumped into the packs and the next pack your dps is noodle damage

like wat

[jovial birch]

Well stuff isn’t dying THAT fast in a 20

[daring marlin]

you got some shit dps then

or a dps doing tank damage

When multiple people are bursting for 300-400k stuff dies fast

[jovial birch]

If your smoke packs before ravager and avatar wear off in a 20 that’s very impressive to me and yes my dps are lackluster then.

[graceful kite]

dungeon?

I reaaly enjoy reflect this season

[sand hound]

how is frostfire belt for a shadowflame piece

[dusky canopy]

yea the surv in the screenshot was steady doing 400k every burst

[graceful kite]

NL is the juice

[graceful kite]

neltharus and hoi for sure

[cinder storm]

neltharus so far has been the best dungeon to tank, adds actually slap

[graceful kite]

i think molten core or whatever it called is being casted too often

[jovial birch]

@dusky canopy do you have 4 set?

[dusky canopy]

no

2pc

and shit trinkets

s1

[jovial birch]

Did you struggle with aggro at all with that hunter?

[dusky canopy]

and i havent been potting

no not at all

open every pack with a cd

[daring marlin]

molten core should never go off and spellblock isn't worth it for a single spell in a dungeon, in reference to HoI

[dusky canopy]

we have them up constantly

[jovial birch]

Evokers and pally burst gives me problems sometimes.

[dusky canopy]

yeah you cast SR 3 seconds before molten core goes off

and youll have it up for everyone

might miss one or two if spell que changes

[daring marlin]

molten core spawns an add

[dusky canopy]

oh word whatever the tank busters called

idk off hand

[graceful kite]

tank thing is blazing slash

[cinder storm]

They tend to burst on pull

Like 0.1s before you get in range

[daring marlin]

every single time

[dusky canopy]

nah you just play normally and if they Reee pull on 3 mobs and die while youre trying to pull more

thats a them problem

[jovial birch]

That’s usually when it happens it’s I pull on pack and am grabbing another and they burst and pull threat.

[dusky canopy]

let them die

they are the problem in that case

[raw gyro]

how is prot fun wise?

[dusky canopy]

well you dont LET them die

but if they do its them

[jovial birch]

Then if aoe taunt is down I’m running around like a chicken with my head cut off to get all the mobs

Your probably right to let them die haha.

[cinder storm]

I'm playing for fun this season but dungeons don't feel that challenging, I'm doing very little dungeons every week, maybe 4-6, maybe it's the lack of seasonal affix or a 4th affix, most of the dungeons are just hold W too, so there's very little play route wise

[dusky canopy]

do not do this as hard as that is

its better to just plant and start pumping to get threat back in that scenario

[jovial birch]

Throw single taunt from planted spot when off cd I imagine

[dusky canopy]

a SS or SC can rip back threat pretty quickly on a loan mob if your taunts on cd

[jovial birch]

Not usually a big problem but I have been on groups with some high ilvl dragons and rets this season.

4 set should help initial threat gen I imagine too.

[strong forum]

neltharus

[tropic gorge]

boo got legs but no weapon

[strong forum]

im so loot starved its not even funny

40 keys and all im using from m+ is gloves and a cloak

[jovial birch]

I’ve been getting loot out the ass but nothing I want

Saving it all for catalyst

[strong forum]

besides 4pc and the 2 crafted items ive got practically nothing so far

[jovial birch]

Even though I will definitely have 4 piece by then so idk why I’m even doing that.

Sucks when your BiS drops from lower then a 17 when your are farming wyrm crests though.

[daring marlin]

fuckin' mood bro

[tropic gorge]

i havent even seen a cloak yet lmao

[strong forum]

tbf the legit only items i can get from m+ that arent useless are a weapon and trinket

[tropic gorge]

no weapons, no cloaks

[daring marlin]

I can't bitch too much as I got pogstorm and a shield

[tropic gorge]

the weapon makes me sad cause ive been "farming" nelth trying to get one

ya i was pogstorm badly

[nocturne spindle]

besides 4 pc

[daring marlin]

so I crafted legs and boots with patch

[lament zealot]

Sporecloak not good eh?

[tropic gorge]

theres a tailoring cloak i saw the pattern drop for last week. it has a big heal proc on it that looks super sexy

[strong forum]

sporecloak is better for dps/healer than for tank

[lament zealot]

I see

[wary spire]

You skip ticks after 1 boss in underrot?

[strong forum]

yes

[daring marlin]

fuck them ticks

[tropic gorge]

the sporecloak ya

[strong forum]

that pull is suicide

[daring marlin]

I always go right

[strong forum]

tanks lose a good chunk of dps for a cloak that'll hardly ever play a role

[tropic gorge]

ya i wouldnt waste the mats crafting one. but i do think that proc is pretty awesome

but ya its deff a dps item

[strong forum]

its OP for key pushing, for dps and healer

the cloak alone will add 1/2 keylevels to your push group

[daring marlin]

I've tried pugging heroic sark the past three nights

[tropic gorge]

absolutley. free extra life

[daring marlin]

been terrible

[wary spire]

No kidding

[nocturne spindle]

man i had pugs wiping to magmo for like 7 pulls

[strong forum]

how

that boss is easier than kazzara

[nocturne spindle]

idk man

[granite pond]

for a second i thought magmo meant the elephant in neltharus, and thought "yeah, that makes sense"

but raid doggy? oof

[nocturne spindle]

it was a bit scuffed

i stacked the whole group to get my tier

but it didnt even fucking drop

[strong forum]

tier isnt smartloot

none of the loot is

[nocturne spindle]

no

like

[strong forum]

unless you mean nobody on your token

[nocturne spindle]

no one on the warrior token

yea

[strong forum]

ah

yeah warrior token is very unpopular

[tropic gorge]

sharing it with dragons sucks

[strong forum]

nobody plays dragon

[nocturne spindle]

ive consigned myself to 4pc happening through vault only

[tropic gorge]

Should I add a stop cast in my avatar macro before using a trinket?
Since avatar is instant I figured I don't need it, as long as avatar cast is before use. Am I wrong?

[sick sentinel]

still 1

[strong forum]

you dont need any /startattack /stopattack macros

[tropic gorge]

I think I'll move the potion line up and use the trinket last. I got the grapnel out of our lock this week.
That thing is amazing

It does so much dmg

[neon blaze]

Am I going for too much haste if im at 40% haste rn with only 18% crit? :p

[tropic gorge]

Crit seems low. I have around 38 percent with ITF and around 25 crit iirc

Don't forget crit rolls into parry

[neon blaze]

mmmh

[turbid radish]

Guys one question: are you always pressing something? each GCD one ability I mean? Or are there moments when you „wait“ and press nothing

[daring marlin]

ABC

[tropic gorge]

abc applies to all classes, not just casters

i personally spam ss button

[turbid radish]

Thanks! Yeah I’ve been doing that but I wondered if sometimes it’s smarter to wait

[left trout]

What kind of dmg you guys getting from the 4p?

[tropic gorge]

Tbh man. I send everything on every cd

Every single time

[jagged pier]

from what i know u only get value u out of it in higher keys

from what nome was saying

hes killing stuff to fast

for the buff to hit anything

[nocturne spindle]

I mean would you not be chain pulling into the buff?

even if you kill one pack decently fast

everything is pretty close in packs this season it seems

[jagged pier]

u cant chain pull in bolster

[graceful kite]

stop pla it hurts

[cyan sorrel]

Bolster sponges are gone as long as you can control the dmg you good

[graceful kite]

you cant control it on a lot of stuff

[daring marlin]

could maybe chain on not fort weeks but giving a new pack 20 or 40% more damage on fort week in 20+ keys? seems sketch

[cyan sorrel]

I wouldn’t bolster mobs like enforcers or like pelters but there’s spots where you can chain

It’s a tough life out ther no doubt tho

[toxic pewter]

kinda wild how much damage some other tanks can do. ran as arms and a vdh came second in dps meters and people were pumping

granted its the beacon but still lol

[wary spire]

Whats the strat on the adds after frog boss in halls?

I hate them they suck

[daring marlin]

backstep out of the breath and you'll be golden

[jovial birch]

What’s the range on it? I’ve been eating them with SR up

Also been listing the pack at the bottom of that tunnel before boss this week.

Lusting

[daring marlin]

Good pack to lust for sure

I either do that one or pull second pack+pat and lust

[keen elk]

is having more than "20%" haste a problem? if so why? diminishing returns? after a certain amount the value of a stat is... weakened?

[fresh igloo]

there's no achievable level of haste currently that is going to be too much

[lyric cape]

Deminishing returns only sets in when you get 30% haste from gear

[lusty grotto]

and it's not a hard stop

cause its still worth having it above the dr

[sick sentinel]

simple fix, 2 small addons
True stat values (blue bar)
Convert ratings for accurate 00.00% value for having 8 of mastery

[modest jewel]

Is there any alternative M+ routing sites other then Keystone Guru?

[sick sentinel]

i use weekly dratnos on raiderio

[stuck herald]

Wondering if someone has some advice for progressing Mythic Zskarn?
im struggling to figure out which build i should use, and having a hard time surviving during the fight (we are start of progressing it so that might go better when its less chaotic).

[weary python]

How long is Diurna's realistically good for?

[jagged pier]

till they nerf it

[weary python]

So use it indefinitely through this tier?

[jagged pier]

ye

[weary python]

Unless it's changed?

[jagged pier]

ye

[astral crystal]

Some guilds are 3 tanking it, having one tank perma on bombs

[stuck herald]

ye we also do that

[astral crystal]

hopefully you're not on bomb duty

[stuck herald]

😅 im not

2nd dk is who normaly is dps

[frozen rose]

im surprised at the amount of whispering icons i'm still seeing in top logs right now. It sound right that simc is showing icon as more dps for aoe over whetsone? albiet, not a huge difference. Seems like whetstone would be way stronger in aoe. Doing something wrong with simc?

[strong forum]

stats always perform stronger in aoe

than flat and especially split raw dmg trinkets

whetstone has the bfa split, meaning it doesnt do that much more dmg in aoe than it does on ST

if you hit 5 target with whetstone, it only does 75% more TOTAL dmg than as if it would only 1 target

[frozen rose]

thanks

[hardy snow]

so much waste

[sick sentinel]

cloud burst btw

[slow shore]

gm guys what is our prio craft this patch? idk where to use my sparks haha

[sick sentinel]

it completely nuked my group

[limpid anchor]

[slow shore]

Ty!

[left trout]

Does heart of thunder sim properly?

[daring marlin]

Negative

[vital arch]

It good

[summer perch]

is it stupid to drop ravager for unnerving focus on zskarn? struggling for survivability and it barely does damage on single target

[marble cipher]

So, got two crit/haste rings now, simmed them at 441, they don't outsim Eranog + Onyx (1.5min 5 target sim)
Please blizz, nerf the old rings, I want new shinies!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eY2UwvHVkTZAoR7ckrM6oT

(missing some other higher ilvl pieces though, and 4 pc)

[bitter herald]

on 5 targets?!? geez

[warm plinth]

What do you guys prefer to skip in VP?

[marble cipher]

dragon

[sick sentinel]

second dragon

[marble cipher]

^

[sick sentinel]

game is trying to force feed me spore pod trinket

[marble cipher]

only if you lootspec prot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

So you pull the extra assassins then

[marble cipher]

I do yeah

[warm plinth]

Okay just checking

[bitter herald]

i skip first ball/stars

[warm plinth]

So stupid that you're 1 count short if you don't kill the other assassins

[bitter herald]

my healer hates that pack

[marble cipher]

aye, count in VP is ... annoying

[sick sentinel]

cloudburst pack hurts

see above

thats only a 10

[warm plinth]

Idk I did the double pull on a 16 today and it was fine

The double squalls I mean

But tbf I was on prot pally so

[marble cipher]

double pull cloudbursts is fine yeah (left-right), just get enough stops on them and nuke

could see it go totally to shit if nobody is stopping anything

[warm plinth]

Yeah for sure

[sick sentinel]

well, at least i know how underrot is supposed to go

[harsh garnet]

This is a random as fuck question

[warm plinth]

We might have a random as fuck answer

[harsh garnet]

But if i do 9/9 normal and 1 boss or 2 on hc does that open me up for hc loot in vault

[warm plinth]

uh...how many bosses is first vault slot?

I forget

[harsh garnet]

3

[warm plinth]

You would still have all normal then

You'd have to kill 3 heroic to get a heroic vault slot

[bitter herald]

itll read heroic on the slot

like this

when youre eligible for it

[warm plinth]

yerp

[marble cipher]

worst vault can scuff you is if you do 9/9 normal (so, you unlock sark loot), and then you also do 7/9 hc
Which makes all slots HC, and I think you can then no longer get anything from sark N

(usually HC loot is obv better, but some stuff from sark is juicy)

It might not be how it works though, just a showerthought

[warm plinth]

The way vault works now is whatever the latest boss you did (ever) is, you will be able to get all loot from that boss and all the bosses from before.

[marble cipher]

yeah, but HC trumps N for vault right?

so it would be "overwritten"

[warm plinth]

Like say you only killed up to whatever the third boss is on heroic (and had never killed beyond that), your heroic slot would only be based on those bosses, but the normal slots could still have loot from any boss

[bitter herald]

somehow ive eliminated mastery from all of my gear lol

thanks drops

[warm plinth]

👀

I bet it's up there on your stat weights now lol

[bitter herald]

dr is at 3k right?

[sick sentinel]

for mastery?

[bitter herald]

for any stat i thought

[warm plinth]

No

[sick sentinel]

no

[bitter herald]

whats that addon?

[warm plinth]

First DR is at 30% from rating. Second DR (the one we care about) is at 40% from rating.

[warm plinth]

The first DR is irrelevant.

[sick sentinel]

they all have seperate values for "breakpoints"

[bitter herald]

oh from base

[warm plinth]

For crit and mastery it's 5400 for the first breakpoint and 7200 for the second

rating

[sick sentinel]

7200 is a fuck load of 1 stat

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[bitter herald]

whats the addon that shows you that bar?

[sick sentinel]

True stat values

it should be on curse

[bitter herald]

cheers

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel you're EU right

[sick sentinel]

no

[warm plinth]

oh

Are you going to Blizzcon

[sick sentinel]

this is me

a fucking leaf

[warm plinth]

ohhh, you're from Canadia

[sick sentinel]

ya, day of the rake has finally come

we are all on fire

[warm plinth]

Are you going to Blizzcon though

[sick sentinel]

nah, too exspensive for me

[warm plinth]

sadge

I'm going for my first time this year

Already bought my plane ticket

[bitter herald]

(with the obligatory mention of stat weight sims being bad)
mastery is last in st, 2nd (after crit in) aoe

so kinda up there

[warm plinth]

Well, yeah I wasn't saying you should sim stat weights. I was more just commenting on the fact that it's probably better for you than most since you have 0.

[bitter herald]

yeah, was interested in having a look lol

[warm plinth]

For sure I would've been too haha

[uneven mason]

Did tickets already go on sale

[warm plinth]

I don't think so, no

But we know the date already

And they already have the blocked out hotel rooms available

[fallow beacon]

Anyone else getting their shit pushed in on mythic experiments?
Sitting at 59% damage mitigated and 45k hps and boss is still absolutely trucking during the p2/p3 overlap

[uneven mason]

That mit is suss

[fallow beacon]

How so

[uneven mason]

NM mythic experiment lots of dot's, you're fine I think

It's just a real bitch for warriors

[fallow beacon]

Yeah when the dot starts reaching 9 stacks on each tank and we are waiting for the raid debuff to drop before clearing it be trucking

Seen lots of logs where warriors just take 1 stack to clear and just let the blood dk eat them all and death strike through

[uneven mason]

This is the way

[fallow beacon]

Prot in shambles

[uneven mason]

Bdk was born for this sorta shit

It's more that bdk kit just flat eliminates the troubling mechanics in this, however, logs orwe can't give many pointers

Bdk has been just fucking immortal in raid since the beginning of time the only reason they're not hard meta is their DPS is behind healers

Legit had a solid laugh in a 15 uld where my bdk tank was bragging that he was outhealing my rshm and I replied that I appreciated it since I was kicking his ass in dps

[timber terrace]

They're not meta because they're not good for the last bosses, being good on experiments isn't really relevant

[uneven mason]

Was more a commentary that they're generally the hardest to kill tank

Although paladins are giving them a run this tier

[timber terrace]

I can agree with that to some extent except on bosses that don't allow you to hit them which happens a fair bit in this raid

[uneven mason]

But yeah dot damage that extends past our CD uptime is generally really hard for warriors to handle

[uneven mason]

Too true

It's one of our weaknesses as well since if we're not hard resetting SS our IP lacks

[timber terrace]

prot warrior just isn't built to deal with dots like experiments and zskarn and it's probably gonna be painful on sarkareth too

[crude notch]

you're all beautiful

WAIT

@warm plinth you're going?

[warm plinth]

I am

Already bought my plane ticket

[frozen rose]

for scalecommander, u think for ideal dps...go down to the other phase as much as possible for the 10x haste, for ex to drop off a bomb? Or, no, better to have that uptime on the boss. I'm not speaking in terms of best mechanics, purely on doing the most damage. So the question is, uptime vs. 10x haste buff

[warm plinth]

I think it's generally smart to go down anyway because you want to drop the tank explosion/bombs down there anyway. I don't know that I'd go down there on purpose just to refresh the buff though.

[frozen rose]

right, i guess....perhaps its best to help out the raid as much as possible in p2 and get rid of bombs anyways. p3 ur doing it always of course

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have only done him on normal but we always had tank do 1 of the bombs

even in p2

Because you have to go down anyway to drop the tank explosion right? Since on heroic it hits the whole raid

[bitter herald]

🤔 meanwhile my dps thirst for being the bomb takers for the haste buff

[warm plinth]

lol

Well, one has to be done by a non-tank

Since both tanks can't go down at the same time

So you just yoink the other one

[bitter herald]

eh i dont mind. im a new tank and that fight is visually overwhelming, so lets me get used to it more

[hardy snow]

dps wants to go down for haste buff anyway too

but as a tank (especially prot warrior) you dont have to go down in p2

you can just leap away few sec before drop, boom goes off and charge back

in p3 just go down, grab haste, go back

[crude notch]

@strong forum getting me scalded in peak. smh

[warm plinth]

Oh does it not hit the whole raid on heroic? I thought it did

[timber terrace]

50% haste is a lot you'll do more dps going to 10 stacks than gaining 2 seconds of uptime not picking the buff

and p2 tank explosion doesn't hit the whole raid even in mythic it's just a big circle around the tank

[warm plinth]

Oh, hmm

I guess I was misinformed haha

Kinda a relief though. Wouldn't leave you a lot of time to try to get downstairs anyway

[crude notch]

As per peak it turns out heart of thunder is implemented in simc, just poorly

which honestly, to me makes no difference, something being unimplemented and shoddily implemented.

[warm plinth]

It seems kind of lackluster given the damage is only like 50k and 2ppm. No main stat either

Not garbage, but doesn't really compete with a lot of other trinkets

[crude notch]

4-5k dps is what nome has seen

[warm plinth]

That's...a lot

[crude notch]

I just quote others. Which apparently is a bad thing and deserves getting scalded for 20 minutes.

Never trust TCs I guess.

:susge

[warm plinth]

Well, if they're smarter than me, then I'm for sure gonna quote them

[crude notch]

right

that's what i did

[warm plinth]

Shame on you

[crude notch]

Mind you if I'm reading right it was more a pedantic argument about me saying it wasn't implemented and them saying it was poorly implemented.

[warm plinth]

Who doesn't love a pedant 🙄

[sick sentinel]

wtf there is a angry dragon on my screen burninating everything

[warm plinth]

I see you've met Deathwing

[sick sentinel]

that would be wrathions father black dragon

[warm plinth]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

i think this one is red dragon flight?

[warm plinth]

where are you right now?

[crude notch]

It's Fyrakk's Dragon Isles event.

[sick sentinel]

im just supposed to ignore him right

[crude notch]

Nah fly up to him and hug him

[warm plinth]

Ahhh, okay

[crude notch]

I'm not responsible for any deaths.

[bitter herald]

by fire be purged

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

Oh apparently there's an achievement for getting killed by him too though 😂

"Still Standing in the Fire"

[bitter herald]

i didnt even get it when i went to look at it

it just killed me and left

[sick sentinel]

i broke the game

I REALLY broke it

[undone verge]

wait is second wind actually useful on sarkareth

like

hear me out

p3 u get low from stacks and tank mechanic and not being in range of boss, then you come up at full health

[warm plinth]

Mm, you have to give up stronger rallying cry for it though. And it's a fairly small portion of the fight.

[undone verge]

yeah but like I just really want it to be useful

screw the rally

tell the dps and healers to play better

[warm plinth]

LOL

[dusky canopy]

"wants to be useful"

"screw rally"

[undone verge]

"want it to be useful"

[warm plinth]

He wants the talent to be useful

Not himself

[dusky canopy]

i cant believe that was in the same sentence basically

LOL

[undone verge]

rally is a crutch for poor healers

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

Brew is a crutch for poor healers

[hushed harbor]

engineering bracers decent gear for us?

never see them on gear lists

[warm plinth]

Eh, the stat can be good but the tinker slot is kinda meh

Unrealistic for a tank to spend like 3-4 seconds casting a brez that you need to be in melee range for

[hushed harbor]

i can make the battle rez guaranteed... but i prob wont be able to get away long enough to make use of it

[undone verge]

^

[hushed harbor]

yeah poo

[sick sentinel]

why did you guys say these are bad

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's the problem. It's not the backfire but more just the inconvenience

🤷 I've never seen someone use one so I couldn't tell you

[tawny briar]

It depends. I've had it be very useful. But it's not very often. Usually just better off having a real. Brez

[warm plinth]

It's also just a wipe protection, not a brez. Because it won't rez anyone until combat ends.

Wipe protection in the sense that it saves you the run back

[sick sentinel]

right, so if i know we are about to wipe and i throw it out, its a good thing no? unless it doesn't work or it like, eats a bunch of dungeon shared cooldowns, battlerez for example even though you said its not brez

or like, it triggers some other CD share i don't want to put on CD, im not sure, i just remember hearing it was shit

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk. Might share CD with potions, but I have no idea

[mellow lintel]

So, it always rezzes but it brings everyone back on top of it with 1 health and there is a chance it explodes after a couple seconds and kills you all again.

[sick sentinel]

apparently the robot can get angry and attempt to explode the group

[toxic pewter]

I am a personal fan of brez on tank

i plan to use brez bracers again when i get more sparks

can pop shield wall and rez someone

its a gamble but could make or break a situation

[sick sentinel]

not any more for me

ruined as many keys for me as it saved

[toxic pewter]

nah if it comes down to us as tank rezzing then the situation is most likely not ideal as it is

[undone verge]

lol yeah

[toxic pewter]

so trying to get someone up could greatly improve the situation

[undone verge]

I feel like if the tank has to res theres bigger problems

[toxic pewter]

its definitely more of an asset than liability, imo

[sick sentinel]

you when brez with engineer

[dusky canopy]

Man just bricked some guys 20 NL at first boss because the two melee were ignoring the spiders and the boss kept popping us when he did the ground slam lol

it was a mage on top followed by me

good times

well for spider add damage anyway

[mighty valley]

i tried them for a while, the failure rate feels extremely high, and the tank having to walk and cast can cause a full wipe anyway

[toxic pewter]

Oh I am enginner so theres that

for non engineers, its whatever, I guess

[mighty valley]

i mean there's not a huge downside to wearing the bracers, all the budget in one stat is nice

[toxic pewter]

its def worth having imo

[mighty valley]

but not really a spark prio right now

[daring marlin]

That's some shit

[unkempt fox]

Well you could say the same regarding tank being a warrior and not a paladin

[daring marlin]

What an incredibly silly comment to make

fuckin oof

[unkempt fox]

Saying that having cr is in any way not worth looks silly to me aswell

[daring marlin]

engi bracers on the prot warrior is not the same as a dps lol

even with SW up depending on the pull you're getting your teeth kicked in

[unkempt fox]

I went to 3.2 season 1 on prot with res bracers and I literally can't remember a single run that was ruined by those

And countless times the opposite

So if a newer player comes and reads this take that those are ruining runs

Hard disagree

[warm plinth]

How can you compare the bracers rez, which prevents block/dodge/parry and has a cast time AND requires melee range, to the paladin rez which is instant, can be cast at range, and has no cast time ??????

[unkempt fox]

I was not comparing the res possibility, I was taking bout "if a tank has to res it's not ideal"

[warm plinth]

It's not, when the rez is the engi rez

[unkempt fox]

Yes sure and if a tank is not paladin class but any other one it's not ideal aswell cause they are so much ahead

[warm plinth]

If you run it and you're the only battle rez alive, then fine. But saying it's not ideal is not wrong.

Huh?

Druid and DK brez are both instant as well

And both ranged

[unkempt fox]

Aight we are not clicking but that's fine maybe I'm not articulating myself well enough

My point is if ure newer and not sure, I say get bracers when u got a spare spark, use them and enjoy

And the thing about "ruined as many keys for me as it saved" sounds insane to me

Ruined 0 keys from hundreds

[warm plinth]

I mean, you have to take anything yogi says with a grain of salt

Not ideal is correct. Ruined as many keys as it's saved is not.

[daring marlin]

To each their own. I'd rather get a different embellishment or a 447 ring over the engi bracers.

[warm plinth]

Engi doesn't count as an embellishment fwiw

[unkempt fox]

Well I'm coming here often and using the search about many things like trinkets etc

[daring marlin]

There certainly could be niche situations where it can be useful like no brez and healer dies to HoI last boss transition

or some other weird shit

[unkempt fox]

So someone could come and search bracers and that pops

[warm plinth]

I agree with this statement.

But only once you've gotten every other important spark piece imo

[daring marlin]

What's your opinion on sporepods

since you said trinkets!

[warm plinth]

Oh god

There's one worse than sporepods this season

[unkempt fox]

Dunno if meme cause it's 100% not worth and it's pretty obv imo

[daring marlin]

I'm havin' a giggle

[unkempt fox]

DPS embellishments are actually good and not like the sub 1% overall on weapon embelish last season

[crude notch]

Hello PWars, please push keys harder, only two pwars from eu or na meet the title cutoff

[daring marlin]

lmao

[unkempt fox]

Farming gear is a better time investment sorry 😇

[dusky canopy]

I must say zskarn is way way easier when you have 5 paladins in the group LOL

i only had to do 1 set of bombs the whole fight in that pug

way easier

[daring marlin]

I could be pushing keys more

I'll gear up other duderinos instead!

[fast knot]

Yeah I went and got my Forgestorm

fuck pushing with suboptimal gear I don't wanna get smoked

[undone verge]

yall didnt get 447 forgestorm our of vault weak 1?

Casuals

[fast knot]

[daring marlin]

need some kind of edge

[sage hearth]

I came in here to be consoled. Almost 2600, still cant get invites to pug +20's.

[twin bramble]

Do any other mythic plus dungeons drop plate chest? After 35 neltharians lairs, I can’t take it anymore and will settle for worse secondary stats 😂

[crude notch]

I want you to know that I still love you.

And I'm proud of you bucko

[strong forum]

DW im getting declined to 17s

Pwar is somehow considered a bad tank again, nature is healing

[pallid quiver]

wow community loves to do nothing other than kick on those not following sheep mentality

[crude notch]

i wish someone would kick me uwu

https://tenor.com/view/arsequeef-critical-role-cr-crit-role-talks-machina-gif-20591851

[left drift]

since this season m+ is full on dots and bleed, how bad is mastery really? being fury ms i honestly feel bad all my gear is mastery

0 versa, all haste mastery

[strong forum]

Doesn't really matter

[crude notch]

considering vers isn't all it cracks up to be, doesn't matter.

[left drift]

hmm thx for the morale boost

should have rerolled pala still

[strong forum]

And fwiw I don't think there are that many dots and bleeds

[tender quartz]

Peeps do we get a 20 Key if we do a 20 this week? Or was it -1 ? I forgot

[scenic mural]

play dwarf

win

[left drift]

lol pay me and i will

[crude notch]

if you timed the 20 yes

if you didn't it's -1

[tender quartz]

Ah gotcha!

[strong forum]

0 dots in Neltharus
Only 1 relevant dot in NL
0 dots in VP
I don't think there are any dots in Hoi outside of dragon
Brackenhide dots are also largely irrelevant cuz they're all dispellable/kickable/not on tank
Underrot has 0 tank dots
Freehold doesn't have dots after the first 2 pulls, both dispellable

What else

Uldaman has a few I guess

[tender quartz]

https://i.imgur.com/w0ctc9d.png

When you let a Shadow and Lock Roll for Irideus Fragment cause they both had 415 Trinket and Pallytank with double 441 wins the roll and reports you :D

[warm plinth]

Uldaman is the worst one for sure. Two different mobs wiht nasty bleeds. One is backpedalable though

I tried backpedaling chomp because someone said it was possible but it's really not

1 sec cast time is just too fast

[strong forum]

If just 1 person reports you then it shouldn't trigger a warning

So maybe he got others to mass report you aswell

[crude notch]

got bad news for you

that's not just one report

and requires trigger words

[timber terrace]

ppl don't decline warriors because they're not tanky they decline them because paladins have a bres, offhealing, infinite kicks, sac, spellwarding... Every tank can live in keys

[strong forum]

Ya I don't think they're aware of that

[pallid quiver]

at least more than a few people will decline prot because "prot bad"

Not even that they're "not tanky" or whatever

They see "low tier lmao meme class" a good chunk of the time. There are people making those thought out decisions,

but your average pug just simply doesn't have the time/doesn't care/has faith/etc for those variables to be accounted for

[strong forum]

Like for ultra keys I'd fully accept that reasoning, but for weekly/crest keys

[warm plinth]

The pug stat priority is meta>ilevel=rio

[strong forum]

You're absolutely overkilling your requirements

[timber terrace]

keys are objectively harder with a prot warrior than a paladin and there is a high supply of paladins now you can't really blame people

[left trout]

I'd say the greatest weakness in pugs is kicks and pally naturally kicks a lot so they take less dmg just existing in a pug environment as well so it makes even the lower keys be like pally strong warrior bad when nobody helps you kick

[strong forum]

So far I could handle almost all "need to make sure stuff is stopped" all by myself

[vital arch]

I had luck today on a 19 just mad house kiting basilisk, still bricked the key from golems tho

[strong forum]

Cuz the keys are way low enough that stormbolt shockwave shield charge intim shout and my kick alone are enough

With that being said, can't expect the average tank to actually use his buttons

[tender quartz]

Got bad news for you do you want me to screenshot everything that was said in the dungeon before you go smart-assing around? I know where you are coming from, but this notification comes from whispers directly cause Blizzards automated system handles that differently.

[strong forum]

Have had more than several keys where dps didn't kick a single time in multiple minutes

[warm plinth]

Did you say something to him after he won the roll or something?

[tender quartz]

Yes he whispered me

I replied that it's still mine to give away and they both had low trinkets while he was set up and apologized

And I know whispers are being handled diff cause our GM works at Blizzy.
Is how I know they're out-sourcing tickets to a portuguese company is when you get so many copy-pasted lines from your original ticket too 🤭

[daring marlin]

gimme your b.net and we could arrange this

[warm plinth]

idk if you did nothing wrong then you should probably try to appeal it so they don't nail you with something worse than a warning next time

[tender quartz]

You can't appeal warnings, it's all fine.

I learned not to use triggerswords or be toxic anymore at all since SL S1 🤐

Been there, left that, I'll admit :D 2 weeks not pugging did hurt

[sand pebble]

Did your account get actioned, with an email or is it just a 'your fellow players have reported you for something'

[tender quartz]

That's just an ingame pop up.

[sand pebble]

Ignore it

[tender quartz]

The sanction was in SL S1 one time and ever since I'm the hype positive guy 🤭 I know. It's just sad people report you for a trinket that wasnt theirs

[sand pebble]

It's a reminder you signed the social contract

[crude notch]

this reaction proves we might be right

[tender quartz]

7 Kicks in Halls for a Protpaladin is... eh.

Jordan

Is your ass jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth?

[daring marlin]

where da 'eelz

[restive crown]

you can skip skyfall stars in VP?

[fringe gust]

So with the shadowflame armor patch it helps proc the frostfire belt right?

[strong forum]

Not without priest or invis I'd presume

[daring marlin]

fuckin stop it

[sand pebble]

Just Sr them

[daring marlin]

you can mind soothe them?!

[strong forum]

Those 2 have nothing to do with each other

You can mindsoothe the entire game

[daring marlin]

that's hilarious

[restive crown]

bt the dps dedge

[daring marlin]

what a goofy spell

[fringe gust]

Trying to figure out why frostfire belt is one of the better embellishments if you get rid of the Eranog ring and what's proc'ing it

[sand pebble]

If you run ahead every cast aims at you and it will reflect all of them

[strong forum]

It does damage

Frostfire belt doesn't need others to proc it, it procs by itself

You got that backwards

[fringe gust]

Shit, the ring needs the proc

Yeah, I am an idiot

[warm plinth]

You cannot mind soothe stars

The first pack of them can be skipped by hugging the right side though

[strong forum]

Ah well

[warm plinth]

Only human and dragonkin can be mind soothed

[crude notch]

you good?

[warm plinth]

can we just let it go now :/

[crude notch]

Final words, they'll provide chat logs if you appeal btw. Best of luck to you.

[final mist]

no, we have to have the last word on the internet in an argument with people we've never met in conversations that don't matter

[crude notch]

Every conversation on the internet doesn't matter

So that's poor logic

Why have any discussion ever

[tame jasper]

You can skip the first pack of stars by moving right side at the pillsr and jump down

No invis/sooth needed

[crude notch]

Your choices are skip a pack of stars or skip a drake.

[tame jasper]

Or g19

[restive crown]

ohhhh

interesting

which drake can be skipped?

[crude notch]

the second one

[warm plinth]

If you skip a drake, you also have to kill the extra 2 assassins

Or you'll be exactly 1 count short

[restive crown]

ahhh

[warm plinth]

The 2nd drake can be skipped

[sick sentinel]

what stats should the protection warrior have?

like what are the priorities

[crude notch]

Yeah but unlike the stars and the drake you can't just walk by G19

[warm plinth]

ilevel

ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery

[tame jasper]

Yes. VP is „you can skip one (of 3 or 4 pulls) but have to play ecerythibg else

[tame jasper]

Correct

[warm plinth]

You can skip both the two assassins and stars without being short, because stars are worth 16, not 20

(1 pack of stars ofc)

[tame jasper]

But you dont want to skip that anyway. Stars and drake are more dangerozs

[crude notch]

correct

that's why i never mentioned 619

g19

[sick sentinel]

so haste and crit?

[crude notch]

because technically you could skip other things too but not worth

[sick sentinel]

fuck

[warm plinth]

Stats really don't matter. Just get ilevel

If you have the choice, go haste crit or haste vers but it's really not going to make or break anything

[crude notch]

I'll break you

or make you

[sick sentinel]

so haste and verse isn´t good then?

[crude notch]

👀

[warm plinth]

🤤

[crude notch]

wtf

[warm plinth]

what

[tame jasper]

Haste > crit = vers > mastery

[crude notch]

how did you get that from what he said

[sick sentinel]

because im currently with 39% mastery, Haste 33%, Crit 17%, and verse 14%

[crude notch]

"go haste crit or haste vers"

so haste and verse isn't good

[sick sentinel]

i'll need to switch

[warm plinth]

It does not matter

It does not matter

[sick sentinel]

a lot of stats

[warm plinth]

It does not matter

[crude notch]

It doesn't matter

what your stats are

[final mist]

Stats aren't nearly as impactful on your ability to tank as your ability to press buttons is

[crude notch]

You failing a key or dying on a raid boss isn't going to be because of your mastery

it's gonna be because of poor execution

[sick sentinel]

yeah but i find that on high keys

[final mist]

You could be full mastery vers and still tank just fine

[crude notch]

You don't find anything

[sick sentinel]

where there are bleeds, or magic damage

i tend to suffer a lot

and i dont know why

[warm plinth]

That's because yo'ure a prot warrior

[crude notch]

Well stats isn't it

[warm plinth]

Not because of your stats

[final mist]

Changing your stats won't magically make you better at handling mechanics

Coordinate with your healer and handle your defensive CDs better

[sick sentinel]

yeah but compared to other warriors that i have seen tanking high keys, i find that i struggle a bit compared to them, like i get my ignore pain fully charged, and keep shield block up

but for some reason i still take a lot of damage

[final mist]

Because you probably aren't pressing buttons correctly

[sick sentinel]

on some packs