protection

[strong forum]

Well it's a 20% reduced chance at the 3rd item

You have an 80% chance on the 3rd item instead of guaranteed. Correct me if I'm wrong

Im not certain on that

[tender quartz]

Oh okay

[hardy snow]

first its rolling the person to receive loot (despite its group)

then its rolling the item

but if it rolls empty slot

you dont get item

its one item per group and 1 tier per 2groups

[strong forum]

He means how many items drop

[hardy snow]

thats not static with not full groups

if you have for example 3 ppl in group, game can roll in the spot with player, or it can roll in spot without player

look at groups as "5 slots", which can be filled by players and then its choosed by game to decide if you get drop or not

[sick sentinel]

Ooof sub creation has us as the only F tier tank right now. #feelsbafman

[strong forum]

Stop looking at subcreation rankings

It's based on popularity and keylevel done for the current rolling week

Nothing else

[ruby musk]

All the FOTM players jumped ship to Paladin

Means little

[tawny briar]

I mean, it matters if the community looks at it. As it can affect our ability to get into keys

[tender quartz]

ya i had a protpally with 5 interrupts in halls 20 after 3rd boss

not lying =D

fun dude. confidently incorrect 💯

[hardy snow]

now with current 2p I have more fun playing than I had in beginig of previous season, despite we dropped from S to F

[hardy snow]

just push your own key, problem solved

[ruby musk]

Probably, I just run my own.

[strong forum]

Which is why we keep telling to stop looking at it

Cuz all it does is give you the wrong idea

[tawny briar]

I usually save mine to do with my guild, cause I'm usually pushing above where they are at. But I hear the sentiment

Though I personally haven't had a lot of issues getting into keys so far this season

[uneven mason]

Uld is nutters on fort, 16s those golems just obliterating DPS who don't move fast enough

[strong forum]

Was generally fine in our 18

Obv fuckloads of dmg taken

[hardy snow]

sometimes its funny on bolster

whole group full hp

[strong forum]

Gotta hard focus big guy

[hardy snow]

big, bolstered guy casts something

and suddenly you are the only person alive XD

[daring marlin]

Somebody tell those Warriors doing 23s to stop it

they're F tier after all

[strong forum]

Sorry 23s aren't 24s

Therefor you're F tier

[daring marlin]

fuck dude

[limpid estuary]

I got a crafting question. I'm ILV 431.
I got 441 H>M wrists with leech from raid
441 C>H boots from raid
421 frostfire that i wanna upgrade in two weeks.

I crafted shield already.

My cloak has shit stats. Should I craft a cloak with bis stats or craft some boots for the higher ilv boots

[tropic gorge]

time for another NL run in hjopes the weapon drops

i'm up to 3 today. only gold

i did get a shoulder item, which i can't use atm so im gonna hold onto it

[tawny briar]

GL

[potent gulch]

Check raid dmg. There is a big gap 😭

[limpid anchor]

Took me 35 runs, it’s a fun grind

[daring marlin]

NL doesn't drop Pogstorm. :^)

[tropic gorge]

that cloak from tailoring with the abosrb looks very interesting

[strong forum]

does 35+ keys
1 week later
where content

That absorb cloak is gonna be gigantic for dps and healers in ultra keys

[tropic gorge]

i thought it dropped in neltharious or whatever

[daring marlin]

Neltharus, yep.

[tropic gorge]

i didnt think it would be a good fit on a tank, but its proc really looks good

[sick sentinel]

D E A D G A M E wtf blizzard cant u manage to balance this DOG SHIT GAME

back to overwatch 2 or like, apex or somethin i dunno what these players play

[limpid estuary]

Yeah i was gonna craft the regular one and put a patch on it

Feels weird to craft a cloak but i like my wrists, boots, and belt

[pine matrix]

hey guys, another question, if you have 2 piece tier set season 2 is it worth breaking the s1 set? i have higher ilvl that can replace the others

[limpid anchor]

Nah next week I can start doing the other dungeons

[sick sentinel]

what "other dungeons"

you did them all

35 times

[limpid anchor]

No, I did 1 35 times

[astral atlas]

Can't wait for forgestorm

[limpid anchor]

My guild dh did 65 underrots for a single weapon. He needs two.
I felt lucky

[sick sentinel]

i'm probably mostly gunna run VP UR and FH this season

[astral atlas]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

i love under rot (and also hate it)

it's a predictable but messy disaster whenver you wipe

[daring marlin]

vp is so fun yet so terrible

[silent vessel]

underrot second boss on tyrannical is just annoying af

[tawny briar]

Can you still skip the worm at the end by hugging the wall? i've tried it a couple times and failed

[sick sentinel]

nah, vp is the best

i tried it twice on baby keys and i think it will be pretty easy

the skip is easy to do, linear, pretty obvious mechanics boss and trash

[daring marlin]

Yeah. Say that when you still have people that can't press spacebar on Asaad.

[toxic pewter]

Some of the trash in vortex pinnacle is no joke

[chrome falcon]

what kinda overall are you guys looking at

in vortex

[toxic pewter]

Highest I did is 63.5k according to Warcraftlogs

[strong forum]

I find it giga boring, tiny pulls

Nothing you can properly chain

[strong forum]

~70k is what I've done in my 2-3 runs

But I was still in pmuch full s1 gear

[cloud umbra]

Wish I could hit that on my pally. I wog too much

[strong forum]

Pally should do more

[limpid anchor]

Pally should be at 90+

[strong forum]

Depends on gear

But pally should just do more dmg across the board

[sullen gust]

Is there a reason we don't tend to take thunderlord? As a talent it looks like it would be great value to reduce demo shout every TC? My assumption is it just opportunity cost in some way?

[strong forum]

Opportunity cost

Every other talent is just more dmg

You at best get 30% cdr on Demo shout

Which is not that big offensive value cuz de-sync of CDs

And it's not notable enough defensive gain either

[vital arch]

VP was my first time 18 and we didn’t even need lust for the hardest pack. It’s really easy for tanks since it has a brain dead pack by pack route.

[strong forum]

It's very uneventful, dragon can be scary if your healer is poopoo

Bosses are snooze fest

[rustic tinsel]

I’m honestly surprised more trash hasn’t been nerfed this week

Feels like some mobs are just actually cursed, especially on bolstering

[sick sentinel]

dragon boss is gunna rekt some ppl on tyranical

[strong forum]

Im surprised at how much blizz has already nerfed dungeons

They're doing a phenomenal job so far compared to any other season prior

[sick sentinel]

itrs almost like they have real people playing the game that are working on the game too

[rustic tinsel]

I would agree, I just assumed given the pace they’re at with it some trash would’ve been nerfed rather quickly

Which, some did

[daring marlin]

Are you extrapolating that based on raid logs?

[limpid anchor]

From watching streams

But honestly, I’m not sure if I just don’t do enough dmg in keys. Maybe the diff isn’t that big of you play properly

But pally just has way more damage, in raid and m+

[young rampart]

Big adda on freehold with this shatter scream is insane

[tawny briar]

it's only REALLY bad cause bolster

[young rampart]

3-4 stacks on +19 and group is nearly dead

[tawny briar]

they tend to get bolstered and oneshot your group

[sullen gust]

Ah thats a good point, I didn't consider it would end up being wasted because no CDs up

[limpid anchor]

Yea that’s why it’s the main target. Dps just don’t have to be brain dead

[young rampart]

Do you know how to avoid blazing slash on neltharus? Mobs with big shield do that and I tend to have difficulty with this

[rustic tinsel]

That add wouldn’t be awful if it wasn’t also surrounded by mobs that are 1/3rd the health

(It still would be bc the shout fucks without bolstering)

[young rampart]

Also sometimes the mob that shoots that is left alive one shots dps

[knotty stump]

Does the heart of thunder trinket not sim correctly since it only triggers on attacks against you?

[undone verge]

Reminds me of last season when raszageth got nerfed right as some big blizz dev’s guild got to it

Or like the day after or something

[rustic tinsel]

Gurthok the nerf incentivizer

[junior brook]

Is there any major reason why we want defensive trinket from NL > BH? the vers vs main stat worth the 30sec longer cd?

[round pendant]

I FUCKING HATE MYTHIC PLUS

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[sick sentinel]

i dislike the timer

[round pendant]

I dislike trying to get in a fucking group

cause I want to play dps

[scenic mural]

did blizzard disable your own key?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OaZjZoKSGc so i guess i had become what they wanted me to be, a killer

[daring marlin]

Raid for sure. M+? Not really.

[strong forum]

Most sane pugger

[daring marlin]

LMAO

[round pendant]

Yeah I sat there for 2 hours yesterday trying to get a tank or healer

[scenic mural]

rip game

healers are cowards

[round pendant]

Plus I've already done that key, I'd like to improve my rating on other keys but

Totally haven't done this at +14 last week

[sick sentinel]

you arent putting your keys together correctly then or listing them correctly or unlisting and relisting

if it takes 2 hours

[round pendant]

Ah yes, I'm retarded.

[scenic mural]

lmao yogi

that makes total sens

you didnt write the right description bruv

[sick sentinel]

every 5-10 minutes change the title and description and after about 3-5 minutes of no applicants, remove the listing and relist it again

[round pendant]

fuck man I didn't put "need heals" in the group title

[daring marlin]

I fuckin' love yogi

[sick sentinel]

its like bumping your post on forums

so it goes to the top

then it gets saw, then u get serviced

[chrome falcon]

i can't tell if my overall damage is good or not

hmm

[round pendant]

Well what is it

[chrome falcon]

75k in uldaman 20 feels fine?

no forgestorm and my trinkets aren't great but i still feel like i could push more

spent a lot of time in d stance

[daring marlin]

You loggin?

D STANCE BOOOOO

[sick sentinel]

i don't make the rules, those are just rules that work positively

[chrome falcon]

ok well it was like 28% of my time in dstance

[sick sentinel]

worked for old games on pc and console games with internet (xbox 360)

[strong forum]

I've not done uld as tank yet only as dps so I can't say

75k sounds fine I'd say

[sullen gust]

To be honest I donk think it's avoidable per say. Usually what I try to do is take those 2 mobs and pull them into the next pack. First time I see one I use shield wall, 2nd time I pop my treemouth trinket, 3rd and onwards I try to stun with storm bolt or shock wave until shield wall is back (you'll know the order now, have one as target and the other as focus). I find it also helps that you can lust the first pack on fortified to crack on and get through it.

[strong forum]

R1 is 80k dps

[chrome falcon]

you can't avoid it

[strong forum]

So yeah 75k is good

[chrome falcon]

shit just does way crazy damage

[round pendant]

They should make keystones not deplete when you fail and just make m+ a group finder thing

[chrome falcon]

oh ok

should be gucci when i get forgestorm and better trinkets

[round pendant]

Gotta love being unable to play because I don't want to tank today

[daring marlin]

You still rockin' 421s like me!?!?

[chrome falcon]

tbf though even at 437 the anvil is doing 6% of my damage in a key

which feels like a lot of a ST trinket

no i have 437 anvil and 441 class trinket

[round pendant]

6% is about right I'd say for a good trinket

[chrome falcon]

but the class trinket sucks

[vivid abyss]

hmm i have 2 sparks... and now i wonder should I still go after shield? since i dropped this

[sullen gust]

The r1 prot warrior gets 80k? Can I ask where you'd find this type of info?

[trim bay]

black dragonscale has around 45 percent uptime

[strong forum]

Class trinket is our best aoe trinket

[strong forum]

Logs

[daring marlin]

warcraftlogs

[trim bay]

no idea why its so low on trinket list

[strong forum]

Cuz it's bad in St

[chrome falcon]

seriously nom? idk i had like 30% uptime in that key which i guess is better

[strong forum]

30% is expected uptime

[chrome falcon]

but sometimes the uptime is complete ass

[astral atlas]

x

[strong forum]

Trinket is 2ppm

[round pendant]

wtf is class trinket?

[trim bay]

well that makes sense. good in a key

[strong forum]

Homeland oversims like mad and you know it

[chrome falcon]

what would your ideal trinkets be for m+ then nom

[astral atlas]

I want to believe

[chrome falcon]

class trinket + NL trinket?

[strong forum]

Cope

[chrome falcon]

or i guess class trinket+sark trinket but

[daring marlin]

I want nelth trinket on my pally

[chrome falcon]

boon? like

10.0 boon?

[astral atlas]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

i vendored that thing as soon as i could

[daring marlin]

lmao

[chrome falcon]

then i bought it back and vendored it again 5 more times

[knotty stump]

Anyone know why a 437 Heart of Thunder sims lower than a 408 All Totem and 411 Spiteful Storm?

[astral atlas]

Mythic boon, don't get your hopes up

[daring marlin]

based

[chrome falcon]

i have mythic boon

[vivid abyss]

isnt beacon like strongest for m+ dmg?

[strong forum]

Bacon + class trinket I think will be best dps combo for m+

[astral atlas]

Oh lucky fuck

[daring marlin]

It doesn't take into account the damage at all

You can see that if you look at the sim

[knotty stump]

Taking damage I assume?

[strong forum]

Heart of thunder isn't implemented in simc

It's still the old version on sims

[chrome falcon]

Boon is pretty fucking illegal this week though

entangling is tilting enough

[knotty stump]

So then I should consider it an upgrade, right?

[crude notch]

You're bugged on AoE

[strong forum]

It's very good

[knotty stump]

AOE and ST?

[strong forum]

Yes

[knotty stump]

thanks

[strong forum]

From what I've seen, heart of thunder does 4-5k dps

Which is comparable to bis trinkets

[knotty stump]

Sweet

[strong forum]

Wellllllllll

[crude notch]

Would they not be stronger if they were main stat?

[round pendant]

I'm convinced vortex pinnacle is cursed to have braindead tanks

second time I've had one get yeeted off

[crude notch]

Yeeted off what?

[round pendant]

the bridge

[crude notch]

But how

[round pendant]

by being braindead

[crude notch]

I've only seen DPS get knocked off. Then again, I'm the tank in all my keys so

[round pendant]

You've got a brain, pog

[vivid abyss]

since we can farm up haste / crit both boots and wrists and there is haste / vers belt available in M+ what would be the optimal craft with spark besides Shield?

[daring marlin]

You could always just tank on your Paladin.

[wary spire]

Next spark in 2 weeks then?

[daring marlin]

Yep.

[blissful sable]

yo, where you guys find your route for dungeons?

[wary spire]

keystone guru

[crude notch]

I think that's the next toon to gear up for me. I've been hitting my crests caps too quick, gaming too hard.

[daring marlin]

I did the dungeons through trial and error

:^)

[daring marlin]

I'm torn between gearing the DK next and pushing into higher 20s.

[wary spire]

warrior 4 life

[crude notch]

Oh I've been thinking. For pugs what do you think is deadlier in VP, first stars pack or second dragon. What's the bigger skip value?

Since that's literally all you can skip in there

[daring marlin]

I skip second dragon every time

[crude notch]

Yeah that's what I've been doing.

[grand geode]

forgestorm BIS wep for M+?

[daring marlin]

I pull the two assassins on the other side of first dragon in with the second bridge pack too

fucking RIGHT?

LOL

great system

hope they keep it

[crude notch]

Yeah whatever changes they make I hope that stays

[daring marlin]

When catalyst opens up alts are gonna be crazy dude

[crude notch]

I expect a weekly cap reduction going forward because of the weird 1% raiders complaining how easy it is to reach maximum ilvl.

And I'm like you raiders get your HoF and move on anyways why do you care about gear progression over a patch.

[vivid abyss]

love the new loot system

[jagged pier]

Well the race being that short is an issue not for them but for the game etc etc

[vivid abyss]

only thing that i miss are the last season of SL coins

[jagged pier]

I think its fine the loot system

[crude notch]

I'm not talking about the race.

[jagged pier]

Weird top 1%

[vivid abyss]

i feel like this new loot makes normal raid more valuable since u can upgrade them trinkets

[crude notch]

People are saying it's bad for the game to gear this quickly.

1% is more than just racers

[jagged pier]

Thats basically top 100 guilds of that

[vivid abyss]

not true more high end players will spam HC raids in my opinion

[jagged pier]

If that*

No they are already done with crests

Im almost already done with crests

And i havent even killed a mythic boss

Yet

[crude notch]

Yes, only like 6 of the HoF guilds actually race, I'm getting people that are in like the 50-100 guilds complaining that it's gearing too fast.

[vivid abyss]

i feel like this helps a lot to players that refuse to M+ but want to raid

[crude notch]

Meanwhile m+ers are having the time of their lives

[daring marlin]

true that

[crude notch]

And it's more just a raiders versus m+ers mentality. Mind you I wouldn't give two shits if I was a pure raider.

[daring marlin]

Fingers crossed I get tier hands or shoulders from vault!

[vivid abyss]

i think to this loot system what would be 1 thing missing is up[grading M+ item to 447 for 12 coins from great vault

[crude notch]

"This game has always been about gear progression"

That's why you wore vanilla stuff in Wrath, right? True progression.

[daring marlin]

bruh block value in ToGC

what a meme

this add does zero damage to me now lol!

[crude notch]

And wrath's valor system was equivalent to this. You could just degen all day getting VP and JP and be fully geared.

[daring marlin]

Same type of people complained about the VP vendor on Isle of Quel'danas

[crude notch]

Mind you in Wrath I raided 7 days a week like a little gremlin

[daring marlin]

lmao

A simpler time

[crude notch]

Hop in the old ventrilo server and let's go

[humble island]

Hmm .. aspec craft the FF belt or my 1h. I have a championship hacker I can send to 437 .. I also play a lot of arms so was leaning belt but hm

[high folio]

why do we take battering ram over thunderlord now?

[tawny briar]

How is treemouth's Festering splinter. the defensive trinket from BH

[daring marlin]

thunderlord bad, desyncs cds

[vocal nimbus]

not bad not best

[high folio]

gotcha

[chilly brook]

Like most talents we don’t take

It’s not that it’s bad

It’s just that it’s worse than other options

[strong forum]

Tbf we never took thunderlord

[chilly brook]

Thunder lord on its own isn’t “bad” but the opportunity cost is what makes it bad

[jagged pier]

Its bad and tbe amount of ppl i see run it and still have less demo casts than me is ridiculous

[chilly brook]

It would need a significant buff back to pre BFA levels to be good

[strong forum]

I only set it up as an option early on cuz it was popular and not detrimental

It's still an option, but not a recommended one

And yeah what jakey said, lots of people just underuse it despite the talent

Wasting an entire talent point for no reason

[daring marlin]

gotta save it for x

[strong forum]

And our tree is so stacked that 1 talent point is very valuable

[chilly brook]

Right

The opportunity cost

But fr if it was back to legion levels of how it worked it would be goated

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-ok-boomer-bernie-bernie-sanders-gif-16819013

[chilly brook]

I am a boomer

It’s true

[daring marlin]

Should delete tl and bring back deafening crash in its place, without the 8.1 nerf to the extension

[median tulip]

Which is better: last seasons 4pc, or 13 ilvls on both Chest and Shoulders?

[chilly brook]

Fr fr

I miss that

[sick sentinel]

i don't even remember defeaning crash

[chilly brook]

70% or higher uptime on demoralizing shout was goated

[sick sentinel]

or, maybe

[chilly brook]

Same idea as tl except every thunder clap extended your active demoralizing shout

[crude notch]

Anyone else enjoy Neltharus or am I on my own?

[chilly brook]

It also was a thunderclap damage increase

[median tulip]

anyone? Which is better: last seasons 4pc, or 13 ilvls on both Chest and Shoulders?

[chilly brook]

Idk just sim it

I’d run whatever is more dam

[crude notch]

I'd follow what orange man says in pins

[chilly brook]

Which is dropping 2pc when you sim higher

[humble island]

I wouldn't break until 2/2 but

Sims may say differently

[round pendant]

ok so I go tank and there's no healers

So in order to enjoy wow you have to play a healer

[chilly brook]

You really think the 5% dr is gonna matter that much?

[humble island]

No, I don't. I'm just trying to pretend everything is okay

[chilly brook]

Cuz keep in mind you’re losing passive DR anyways by not going with ilvl

[chilly brook]

Healers do seem to be in big demand tbh

It’s making me consider learning how to play prevoker

[daring marlin]

It's my favorite dungeon hands down.

[round pendant]

Honestly contemplating unsubbing

[vocal nimbus]

try saying that after 20+ runs

for no 1h loot

[crude notch]

someone's grumpy

[chilly brook]

I don’t think I am

I did just wake up so prolly not entirely awake

[crude notch]

also you clearly didn't read if that was your response to the guy asking about dropping 4p.

[chilly brook]

[crude notch]

heckin dummy

[chilly brook]

Ah you right

Me big heckin dummy

[crude notch]

((For legal purposes, this was a joke, I love griff))

[round pendant]

Aight so I just set my role to tank, got a healer to join, switched back to dps and a tank joined

That works

[crude notch]

yam, you good bro?

[chilly brook]

I think the non instant fills are getting to him

[round pendant]

I wouldn't mind not having to wait 30 minutes between dungeons, yes

[crude notch]

then get a group

become affable

[chilly brook]

30m seems excessive

[crude notch]

(don't ask me how to become affable)

[chilly brook]

What key levels are you doin

[round pendant]

It's borderline impossible to get groups as a dps right now

trying to do +11-14s

[chilly brook]

Should be plenty of peeps tryin to do those

[daring marlin]

Sorta why I default to tanking

[round pendant]

I met a nice healer and tank duo

But they were dogshit at the game

[chilly brook]

Are you trying to get into keys or doing your own keys?

[round pendant]

both

[crude notch]

samesies.

[chilly brook]

Doing my own key is like the fastest by far

Might take 5 minutes to fully fill

[crude notch]

maybe you should lower your expectations of what you get from a 11-14 as well.

[pale hill]

I have a 408 Lariat (haste mastery) and wondering if I should replace with a 424 neck with crit and mastery with a socket. Can you sim tank gear on raidbots?

[chilly brook]

But usually because healers are no where to be found

[crude notch]

I'm definitely not expecting people to even have their keyboards connected in 11s-14s.

[chilly brook]

You can sim yes

It’s mostly for damage

[crude notch]

If I outdps two of the dps we vibe and thrive.

[chilly brook]

But I’m going to tell you dropping almost 20ilvl for better stats isn’t the move

Even defensively

Especially considering lariat got kneecapped

[crude notch]

Make sure with necks you sim with full sockets otherwise your lariat is just always gonna sim best and then even then remember that it's not just lariat versus other necks, it's lariat versus other embellishments as well.

[chilly brook]

Tbh

I’d just add up total stats from lariat

Vs whatever 424 neck you have

[crude notch]

I'd throw lariat in the trash asap

[chilly brook]

And pick the one with more

[daring marlin]

jordan tank keys for my dk on your pally

[crude notch]

so you can get another embellishment elsewhere

[chilly brook]

More stats=more better

[daring marlin]

I don't wanna be BLOOD

[crude notch]

what ilvl is your dk?

[chilly brook]

Tank keys for my baby dragon so you can see how bad I am

[crude notch]

👀

[chilly brook]

[daring marlin]

idk he'll be like 410ish before I start doing keys

[crude notch]

if i do it on my pally i can carry everyone i heard.

[warm fog]

Is allied wrist or FF belt better to craft ?

[daring marlin]

luhmao

[vivid abyss]

is the embelishment shield bad?

[chilly brook]

My draggy boi is only like 413

[crude notch]

wait until you find out what my pally is kekw

[chilly brook]

431

[crude notch]

if you look really hard the 406 is a 431 yes

[daring marlin]

haha

[crude notch]

haven't even touched it though that's mostly part of last season

[daring marlin]

My DK is sub 400 atm. Basically got him decked in the gear from 10.0.7 place and ring and left him to rot since

[chilly brook]

I basically didn’t play last season

[daring marlin]

ez crafted gear with whelpling crests tho

[scenic mural]

did same w my dk

[chilly brook]

I am trying to get my warrior up though, not gonna leave him as a destitute alt even if I’m playing ranged this tier

[daring marlin]

hah

[pale hill]

So Lariat would be: 831 stam, 758 haste, 549 mastery/crit
New neck: 1014 stam, 547 crit, 689 mastery, 88 haste

Big haste drop, but gain almost 200 stam

[daring marlin]

My Warrior is big chillin' at 419.

[pale hill]

D: not sure what to pick

oh! plus the proc from lariat.

[crude notch]

you got only 88 haste from 3 gems?

[pale hill]

the new neck just has 1 gem slot on it (its a world drop champion level)

[crude notch]

you can add 2 more

[daring marlin]

Got a neck from vault this week but it's the vers/crit vp one so uh

[crude notch]

you can do that with every neck fam

[daring marlin]

fuck that shit

[chilly brook]

Dropping haste isn’t the end of the world

All stats are good

[pale hill]

wait, you can add more gems to neck slot? just because?

[daring marlin]

tiered medallion

[crude notch]

tiered medallion setting

[tawny briar]

there is a crafting item you get use

[daring marlin]

get it from the ah

[crude notch]

grab a 2 star one and a 3 star one

[daring marlin]

they're relatively cheap now

[crude notch]

make sure you use the 2 star one first

lol

[daring marlin]

jordan made the same mistake I did

[pale hill]

and those can be placed on ANY necklace? crafted or not?

[daring marlin]

Yes

[crude notch]

yes

[tawny briar]

ya up to 3 sockets

[crude notch]

[pale hill]

wooooow nice

[chilly brook]

thanks for the reminder, my silly ass doesn't have any on my devoker

[tawny briar]

tier 1 adds othe first, tier 2 adds 1st or 2nd, and tier 3 adds any of the 3

[proud patrol]

im currently running 4.3k haste (28%) without into the fray, stones etc. - am i on the lower end for haste compared to what you guys have?

[crude notch]

my monk already has 8 holes, i'm wondering when i go lariat.

[daring marlin]

so I pugged the raid some and uh

those bosses are stupid basic

I get that it's heroic but bruh

[pale hill]

as a tank, yeah.

[daring marlin]

I went as ret

[crude notch]

yeah now what

bish

[chilly brook]

idk I like new raid

[crude notch]

gimme an easy tier every tier, thank you.

[chilly brook]

then again I welcome a little easier of a tier now having not raided for two tiers in a row

[daring marlin]

I don't dislike it

[pale hill]

Its pretty good :)

[blazing condor]

to be fair is there any argument as to why a raid tier should be long to clear

[humble island]

we dropping the FF belt for 2x armor patches?

[daring marlin]

Still confused by people doing 40k dps at 420+ ilvl but that's ok

pugs and whatnot

I also learned rashok healer trinket is broken

[crude notch]

just pull bigger

dude I had another 40k MW last night

[daring marlin]

sounds like mine

dude was a chad

[chilly brook]

sadge

currently doing like 60-70k single target depending on fight timing at 414

[crude notch]

meanwhile I did 100k hps as a bear that last tol'vir pack in VP

[daring marlin]

pack slaps

idk why I'm holding off on upgrading my 431 fragment and just using it

Surely it'd be better than icon

[sick sentinel]

why am i not getting more wyrm's shadowflame crest

[daring marlin]

you're capped?

[viral elk]

As prot war?

[sick sentinel]

can i rlly only obtain 300

thats bs

[daring marlin]

yes?

lol

You get another 10 crests next week

problem?

[sick sentinel]

why would that be capped

[turbid shuttle]

is this your first season?

[fickle gull]

lol

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[turbid shuttle]

upgrade currency is always season capped early on

[fickle gull]

u can use ur aspect crests n turn them into wyrm if ure that desperate

[chilly brook]

no lol I wish

[viral elk]

I was like post logs or no way

[crude notch]

someone has been spending their wyrm crests all willy nilly

[sick sentinel]

doesn't matter what u spend them on

im just capped at upgrading

[crude notch]

it kinda does matter because it can be the difference between having to spend 1 and having to spend 4.

[sick sentinel]

If I get gear to replace it with and I upgraded the gear I had before to max

I only need flightstones no?

[jagged pier]

I dunno prot warrior is easy for me

[daring marlin]

It does. I.E. I've only upgraded 431 stuff and I'm pretty much done with crests.

jakey too powerful

[crude notch]

correct

[sick sentinel]

Ye I have like 1.5k of those too many

[crude notch]

well yes that's the infinitely farmable stuff

[sick sentinel]

Nah wait

[crude notch]

97, what a peasant.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-dont-care-plus-having-fun-playing-dont-care-having-fun-playing-rabbit-playing-gif-25410033

[nocturne spindle]

zaqali is a scam parse anyway

hyuge dps with no rocks

[crude notch]

yo your bunny has sick hops

[chilly brook]

just makin me look bad

[vocal nimbus]

does stormforger have a lower drop or something?

[granite pond]

Stormforge, evil twin of Forgestorm

[daring marlin]

welcome to gearing, friend

[vocal nimbus]

bro

20+ runs

[limpid anchor]

It feels like it, but no

[granite pond]

Took me 9 runs to get the baby 437 version. Still nothing in higher keys

[crude notch]

sometimes loot luck be like https://www.twitch.tv/ruck_d/clip/ComfortableYummyNewtDancingBanana-4DT7xsbqeDWcfHah?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[crude notch]

just have people with hands, idk wym

[lofty mica]

Does anyone have a decent spell reflect wa?

[daring marlin]

I meant in heroic raid!

All the dps in my groups do big dam

[toxic pewter]

Mark dargrul also not dropping for me lol. Done 22 17+ runs no trinket yet. Haven’t even seen it drop for any other party members

[slim flower]

Took me around 35-40 runs :/. Only have 11 runs done so far for forgestorm tho

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn that’s insane lol

[strong forum]

Same reason why there's 420+ tanks doing less than SL tank dps

Or healers doing 0 dps

[slim flower]

Question: anyone else feel like most of the bosses in this raid absolutely truck with their tank mechanics? Heroic zskarn was a nightmare for me, and I basically sat in D stance the whole time. I got a 94 damage parse on that fight which makes me think all the other warriors experienced the same thing lol

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I found zskarn to be a cluster f

[uncut thunder]

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

[slim flower]

Just checked and I had 40k HPS overall 😬

[toxic pewter]

Yah Warcraftlogs says I did 39k hps on my recent kill

[lofty mica]

cheers 🙂

[late hawk]

hii

[daring marlin]

22NL shouldn't be too terrible right?

[potent gulch]

Big rocky guys do big dmg with dot after cleave. And dps need to dodge slam aoe.

[toxic pewter]

Nl actually not too bad imo

[daring marlin]

Timer feels super lenient.

[toxic pewter]

It’s currently my most successful key. Love all the reflect opportunities

[slim flower]

I still need to remember the sunder timings on ularogg, feels like bigwigs/wa are always a few secs off and it comes out so fast

[ashen coral]

Hello I have two questions, the first is, is the shadowfkame embellish mandatory ? It’s too expensive honestly I just can’t afford

Also, is the offensive stance still the optimal stance ? I found that my ignore pain often broke lately so I have to use more rage but sometimes it’s too much, wouldn’t the defensive stance be better for now because of that ? If all my rage goes to my survival, I think I eventually loose dps with offensive stance until I get a better stuff (i am at 422, which is good but maybe not enough to not face this issue)

Also, if shadowflame embellish is not pandatory, what can I take instead ?

[chilly brook]

no and no

ignore pain being consumed is literally normal

having 100% uptime on ignore pain is not a requirement of prot warrior, you just press the button so you don't cap on rage

[winter marlin]

Hey quick question, we still run Waking Stats or go Sustained Strength now?

[old kayak]

do you prefer sophic or frozen devotion?

[winter marlin]

sophic is my goto for tanking or any support i'd say

or anything just about lol

nvm i knew this was a dumb question, we get too much out of strength to even really consider it

[old kayak]

new to tanking really, but was curious if it is that much better

thanks for the info!

[winter marlin]

oh i thought you were thought experimenting my question

hahaha np

prot warriors get prolly more outta main stat than anyone cause we convert strength to armor / stamina and back and shit

[old kayak]

thanks for the info mate

[crude notch]

yw

[strong forum]

Waking stats generally

Iirc that's the one with more Str, that's better cuz 47 extra strength is more damgur

[winter marlin]

yeah

that's what i figured & went with

[tranquil jay]

how exactly do you self sustain on prot warrior? i come from blood dk and i just die lmao

as prot warrior

[hoary belfry]

can someone explain what happened to prot? Dont care that much about tier lists, but it was quite strong last patch and there were no nerfs lately and its the worst tank in keys according to subcreation. Or at least I didnt see any nerfs

[daring marlin]

subcreation goes off popularity not how good or bad a spec is

[hoary belfry]

yea but stronger specs are more popular. I assume what you are trying to say is that prot is fine despite being in a lower tier, but did other tanks just pop off and prot didnt or what happened here

[strong forum]

Rage generation + rage spending + leech

If you're slow on generating you'll die

The worse you play the less you heal, the less you mitigate the quicker you'll die

[winter marlin]

probably a combination of burnout, nothing flashy or fancy

just same old consistent warrior

[strong forum]

Also proper CD usage, bdk can get away with misplay alot more than pwar can

Atleast on lower levels

On high levels bdk will also just fall over if you don't deathstrike minimum every 6 sec

[winter marlin]

i'm coming from prot pally which was already getting boring itself, so warrior is fresh and interesting in its difficult edges or me. so i can only imagine it happens on this side of the fence too

warrior hasn't really changed all that much in prot from shit 15 years ago even. still using shield slam and shield wall lol

[hoary belfry]

i mean people will playing "boring" classes if they are strong no? bm hunter and frost mage are the best examples (when theyre strong)

[daring marlin]

Top 5 for each tank. All pretty close.

[strong forum]

And thats bad?

Bdk is still just deathstrike

[rough mason]

So with the new “ recommended” ST raid spec it doesn't have the additional max rage specced Into it anymore? Does anyone recommend still running it or? Only asking because heroic zskarn was a pain in the ass the other night

[winter marlin]

i never said its bad

[tranquil jay]

i see i see thank you!

[winter marlin]

i think its good. but i can see how some seasons might see some people shift over for a month or two to get a breath of fresh air

[strong forum]

Those points are flex points, they don't affect performance

[tranquil jay]

ye

i just suck at pwar

xd

[strong forum]

The 1 thing about current pwar is, maximise rage gen(without overcapping), maximise CD usage

[winter marlin]

and esp when you're looking at top tier world first charts or w/e any change in representation is going to be overplayed massively. warriors were great, still are great, nothings relaly changed

[strong forum]

Okay I guess the 2 things

Pwar is still just as "OP" as it was in S1

But it's just not the fotm anymore so now it's bad

That's how pwar is

[winter marlin]

the game basically survives on the delta blizzard creates between patches with buffs and nerfs

pwar never really goes either way so it stagnates publicly sometimes

just my opinion tho

[daring marlin]

My problem with Warrior is the same it was when it was fotm in S1. I hate having so many offensive CDs on the GCD.

[crude notch]

Orange man can't count

Lol

[strong forum]

^

[crude notch]

Lol

I know

[daring marlin]

lmao

[crude notch]

Still gotta give you shit

[rough mason]

Was really just asking to see if people still ran them for the additional rage, just to avoid the rage sap esp with that fight and how quickly ignore pain gets burnt

[strong forum]

I've never run them

Cuz I like bounding stride so much

[rough mason]

That’s fair

[daring marlin]

zoom

[strong forum]

And seismic reverb is good for trash clearing in raid

[tranquil jay]

is ignore pain all damage?

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-lightning-mcqueen-cars-meme-gif-14031708

[tranquil jay]

or just physical?

[strong forum]

Ignore pain is all damage

[rough mason]

Yes

[tranquil jay]

ah alright

[strong forum]

Inb4 "so why dont we use IP over SB"

[rough mason]

Block is just physical, unless spell block, but SB help preserve IP

[tranquil jay]

what's sb?

[strong forum]

Shield block

[tranquil jay]

ah

i mean you want SB uptime near 100% right?

[rough mason]

Appreciate it, I’ll have to look into it some more. Bounding might have to hit the burner for that one, but my impending rotation may have been off

[crude notch]

I only press SB for damage

Gottem

[rough mason]

Yes, but it’s pretty easy to keep up

[tropic gorge]

based

[crude notch]

Not same.

[little sigil]

which dungeons you guys opt into Spell Block for in S2?

[harsh trellis]

What is the name of the crafted belt we should get

[crude notch]

frostfire belt

[vital arch]

Frostfire but embellishments are more or less up to you

[rough mason]

There’s a pill for that

[dusky meadow]

i'm unsure how it works, does spell reflect only give the magic damage reduction after you've reflected a spell or also if you haven't?

idk if i'm dumb but it seemed like it wasn't giving DR if i didn't reflect

[proper roost]

it gives it immediately

Separate buff

[undone verge]

All of them?

[novel cloak]

does anyone have an addon to help with m+ routes? i ALWAYS get lost/disorientated in brakcenhide hollow after the 1st boss. its just a mass of trash 😦

[daring marlin]

Why?

[hushed harbor]

Seems like the Nelths are the spell block dungeons. The others not so much.

[crude notch]

no

[uneven mason]

MDT

[toxic pewter]

i use spell block in nelth, HOI, and Uldaman personally

[daring marlin]

What are you spellblocking in HoI or Uldaman?

[trim bay]

Check the reflect guide. Heaps of shit to spell block in both dungeons

[toxic pewter]

mostly for trash packs

just feel it helps me smooth incoming magic dam in pugs and stuff

[daring marlin]

It isn't worth the point in those dungeons.

[toxic pewter]

Its just based on my own personal experiences so far I find it helpful to run in those 3 I mentioned but I acknowledge its not needed whatsoever

[daring marlin]

I'll admit ice shard hurts but eh

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that hallway alone I want it for

I know I can side step or backpedal

but the corridor can feel tight sometimes

[sick sentinel]

i been playing ow2 mostly this week and other pepega games

only really play as parah on that so far

[trim bay]

spell block is broken. yes and no man. depends on the key lvl. i did a 20 Nalth and finished 10 mins over. got clapped wish i did take it. i dont have any new tier though. do a 20 UR and 2 chest. free key

i need to learn the way of the chain

[daring marlin]

That's strange. Neither NL or Nelth is HoI or Uldaman, the dungeons I said it wasn't worth the point in.

[proper roost]

just walk out of the dragon breath

pull the middle one back a little so you have room and dont tank it in the puddle (earthshaker graphic in the puddle is actual grief)

Tanks really insist on tanking all mobs insanely static except when they need zero kiting, then they just randomly spin for days

🤔

nelths lair like all the magic dmg from bosses is reflectable

trash does negligible magic dmg or you can save major cds for every time since theyre fairly sparse

[crude notch]

wtf

Reading Comprehension is hard

"I use spell block for nelth, hoi, and uldaman"

"What are you spellblocking in HoI or Uldaman"

Other guy: "Well in Neltharus"

[proper roost]

it's blizzard's fault that nelth literally refers to both neltharus and lair

and he could legitimately have been talking about both

[crude notch]

except

Guilford

didn't reference

either

And the dude was responding to guilford saying

why use in hoi or uldaman

which could not possibly be confused with NL or Nelth or Nalth or Neltharus or Neltharion's

[proper roost]

idk I followed it just fine, it was a bit nitpicky but also the guy who runs spellblock for all dungeons is like

really pepega

[toxic pewter]

its just a comfort pick tbh

[proper roost]

so is being in dstance all the time and we can all agree that is objectively wrong

[jaunty mortar]

On normal echo do you just tank echo on the adds phase 2 since theres no mind control? Well a video said theres no mc on normal. And phase 3 it said dont break walls does the tank buster still knock tanks back and break walls?

[toxic pewter]

yah it is probably wrong to use it in the 3 I mentioned but I will continue to use

[proper roost]

Yes you just tank the boss on top of the adds on normal Echo

[jaunty mortar]

Thank you

[proper roost]

you want to do it on heroic too once the shield is down

You still need to break (minimal) walls so your dps can get to all 3 adds

[jaunty mortar]

so p3 I just tank him near a few wall but dont get kicked into them?

[proper roost]

Um

Your question is perplexing, no we're talking about p2

in p3 it doesn't really matter where you tank him but near the portals is best for add pickup

[jaunty mortar]

ok

thanks

I asked about p3 bc I watched a video that said tank him near walls bc he breaks ones hes close to and that spawns the portals

Sorry for being confusing

[proper roost]

i mean really the conclusion is that some people were too far into their prot warriors in s1 to drop them entirely

start of s2 those people dropped it to push on their pallies

simple as

[daring marlin]

Mostly just Paladin vs the rest, is what I was pointing out. The others are not that far off eachother.

[proper roost]

if you're purely a key pusher and you care, then you would be pally in s2

so it biases it already obviously

[daring marlin]

freedom is bonkers this week

[proper roost]

it really isn't tbh people act like entangling is not a 10s timer to get out

freedoming things like the freehold barrel is far more impactful

[daring marlin]

?????

[proper roost]

there is legitimately not a single mechanic in keys where clearing entangling early is relevant or required

[daring marlin]

It's so bizarre when people wElL aCtUaLlY something that literally negates an entire affix.

[proper roost]

yes, the affix that is a total nonaffix

because it does fuck all and everyone agrees its the freest affix ever

[daring marlin]

Yeah, you're clowning hard.

[proper roost]

okay sorry it's causing you to have so many issues

interesting take for sure

[jaunty mortar]

Am gnome free affix

[daring marlin]

It's not at all, as I have freedom. Thanks, though.

😉

[proper roost]

[trim bay]

Was it in reference to spell block or not? You must be sad to get worked up over this

[proper roost]

how sad is it to get worked up about someone getting worked up about it though

glass houses poop rocks something something

[tawny briar]

Only time entabgling has been annoying is during the hide mechanic on last boss of VP. Whole party just got stunned

[daring marlin]

idk what you're talking about bro

I certainly haven't had any other fuckery happening like getting stunned on last boss of HoI instantly as we land because it ignored z axis.

[tawny briar]

I definetly. Had some weird shit happen. In the gauntlet where the entangling wqs like slanted and I couldn't get out of it no matter where I went

[covert aurora]

does shield block work against calamtious strikes from nelth?

[crude notch]

so worked up that i... immediately left and did a key afterwards and had to scroll up to know what you even meant and who you were.

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[toxic pewter]

honestly love running with ret pally

the freedoms just so nice

[chrome falcon]

ABSOLUTELY NO SHOT

I'M 2.7K SCORE

TIMED NELTHARUS ON 20

AND GETTING DECLINED TO 17 NELTHARUS

[toxic pewter]

lol

[daring marlin]

oh lord

[chrome falcon]

SOMEONE FIND THE AVERAGE M+ PLAYER A FUCKING BRAIN CELL

[daring marlin]

That's some shit

[toxic pewter]

did u whisper ask why they decline u

[daring marlin]

❤️

[chrome falcon]

no

if i enter a chat with the person who declined me i'm going to try to persuade them to do something regrettable

[crude notch]

stay mad

[chrome falcon]

i will!

thank you!

[toxic pewter]

prob unrelated to meta but yeh does seem weird

[crude notch]

i think they're worried about your attitude because you're too big

[chrome falcon]

my attitude is that i want my fucking forgestorm

[toxic pewter]

actually could be true some people do get intimidated

[chrome falcon]

🙃

[crude notch]

Just know Matt, I wouldn't even accept you to a +10

[chrome falcon]

when?

[placid saffron]

Are you guys replacing your lariat at any point? Right now any other neck I put on usually comes out to about a 2k dps loss. Will that be made up for when I get another shadowflame patch?

[crude notch]

yes

you replace it

because it's not lariat versus other necks

it's lariat versus other embellishments and their gains.

[undone verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fd1DAjm6YwQCyrxn#fight=20&type=damage-done 👀

pad? nah

[placid saffron]

Yeah I guess my question is would another shadowflame patch be more than 2k dps increase

[crude notch]

Are you simming your other neck with full gems?

You can gear compare it

[placid saffron]

yeah I was

[trim bay]

I'm Rick James

[crude notch]

We still love you.

[crude notch]

Yeah it probably isn't much more than 2k if it is even that. I'm kinda shocked that lariat is still a 2k increase for you though. Unless you already have a bunch of holes.

[placid saffron]

I jsut have the 3 sockets on lariat

unless annulet counts

[trim bay]

whats wrong with having a poor education

[burnt socket]

is it better to have full T1- 4 set, or T2-2 set and T1 2-set? I got half my T2 set but not sure if I should swap out my T1 4 set

[strong forum]

[burnt socket]

@strong forum Thanks, didn't see those!

[daring marlin]

@astral atlas stupid engi thing made me like you

oh man

do random normal dungeon get rlp

love it

[granite pond]

For simming m+, what's the best settings to use in terms of target/boss/fight length/etc?

[dusky canopy]

M+ Patchwerk Sims
1T 3min lust
5T 1min no lust
10T 40sec lust

[granite pond]

thanks

[dusky canopy]

[crude notch]

Go to bed

[crude notch]

looking kinda cute ngl

[daring marlin]

[toxic pewter]

that me

[quasi lintel]

Is there a DK discord like this one?

[daring marlin]

yes #welcome

list is in there

Acherus is the DK one

[quasi lintel]

ty

[crude notch]

Helpful Guilford, give this man SF

[daring marlin]

good joke

[twin bramble]

can you sidestep first boss in neltharions lair frontal?

[crude notch]

Yes

[daring marlin]

pop bloodlust

should be lusting that pack for sure

[crude notch]

You should definitely be using all CDs on that pull, make sure people are interrupting rally. CCs, etc, etc.

[daring marlin]

jordan join vc

you won't

coward

[true portal]

tyvm for the advice! i just completely get mangled by that pack every time even if i run defensive trinkets

[uneven mason]

Because defensive trinkets have way less impact than strong DPS trinkets,

[nocturne spindle]

more deeps = less time taking damage

[near steppe]

Defensive trinks also wont help on holding aggro. If u have hard burst dps like ret pala or devast evo u know how hard has been to hold aggro on def stance

[nocturne spindle]

does anyone know how sims handle the raid horn trinket?

is it assuming you never get hit by it?

[crude notch]

Correct

[nocturne spindle]

gosh darn simbaits

[quasi lintel]

Any predictions on what the tank tier list is gonna be later in the season?

barring any major changes

or if you're privy to any major changes coming up include them in your predictions obvs

[crude notch]

? Just don't hit yourself with it

[boreal plank]

Hey what mitigation do yall use for last phase of sark?

[toxic pewter]

all of em

spell block really strong on sark fight

[boreal plank]

Oh that’s true so probably wall, spell block, spell reflect

Do i use em all at the same time or spread them through it the dot duration

[toxic pewter]

just mitigate as much of it as possible

[thin phoenix]

Is it worth it to keep my 4 set from s1 alive if I’m using 402s? I was pvping last season haha

[urban bane]

hm? per sim?

uh

the benefits of it wont really show in 1m30 right?

curious if that makes diff

[crude notch]

uwu

[urban bane]

huh

probably will be some gaps in sb uptime yeh?

seein the same thing fwiw

5 tar 5 min

[crude notch]

nomm nomm

[urban bane]

:S

I miss the crit bug

[opal escarp]

anyone else can't see their shield on their prot warrior? visual bug?

[red acorn]

I've had a bug where every time i log in it puts my blacksmith profession equipment 'on' (like i get the buff but they're not visible) so all I see is whatever is in my mainhand. Right clicking that buff off gives me my offhand back

[opal escarp]

good call, that was it! this has bother me for so long, thanks

[crude notch]

It's not a bug guys

What weirdo is carrying a shield while blacksmithing?

[obtuse spindle]

yo any tips on tanking the dragons in HoI? they hit like a truck. can you just leap away from the breath?

[crude notch]

It has a 15 yd range so yes

[weary python]

Any rough estimate of how solid a replacement ring must be to replace a 415 Signet of Melandrus, or a 421 Seal of Diurna's chosen?

Also the Shadowflame armor patch can proc the frostfire belt, right?

[edgy locust]

So jumping away js the only option ?

[red siren]

U can spell block also the breath

[edgy locust]

Really ?

[thin phoenix]

Fk I sold my seal of diurna’s chosen

[jagged pier]

just item restore

[thin phoenix]

Like a week ago.

[jagged pier]

but i dont know why u would sell it

[thin phoenix]

Would they still do it lmao

[jagged pier]

well depends if its still saved in your item log

[dark turtle]

Is Forgestorm good for Prot Warrior?

[jagged pier]

[thin phoenix]

Just assumed that s1 gear wouldn’t be good

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[dark turtle]

ok ty

[jagged pier]

okay for furture reference, there have been many many times in the past where ppl still wear previous tier gear, even sometimes previous expansion gear if its good enough or fills a niche

[thin phoenix]

Haha didn’t know. I was pvping last season and just got back into pve

[jagged pier]

fair enough

[red acorn]

It automatically applying the buff when i log in is the buff

It doesnt even show my bs equipment either

[thin phoenix]

Sweet I was able to restore it. But it’s actually 408. Is that still worth it?

[jagged pier]

[thin phoenix]

Haha will try it tmrw

[earnest canyon]

You can literally take 5 steps back before he casts

Don’t need to jump

Just move back a bit

[edgy locust]

Tysm

[crude notch]

no it's not

you literally can walk out of it.

There's no need to run spell block for that when you can just walked out of it.

Wait until you find out you have to get out of the cragmaw breath at a certain level. 🙂

[edgy locust]

That makes more sense thank you

[odd nimbus]

[Enduring Dreadplate] feels turbo shit,am i right or?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[oblique kayak]

Anyone got the trinket sims? there was a picture showing there respective dps

[limpid anchor]

Bloodmallet?

[sick sentinel]

how tf do I deal with ulduman

[proper roost]

use the many aoe stuns, ccs, and stops you have

[earnest canyon]

Reroll dwarf/reroll paladin, bully your healer to play evoker
(that’s a joke)

[soft flower]

Afaik, kite basilisk so no bleed and don't gigapull the last guys with their stacking haste debuff.
Stop the Stone Barrage with stuns/fear, the kill everyone. Thunderclap on the big boys hurts a bit so try to not bolster those too much

[sick sentinel]

the bleed hurts so much actually insane

[oak ivy]

How does one bash it into the skulls of DPS that you squash ticks on second boss UR or if you miss them you burn them asap

cuz this just happened

after dwarf racial, wall, LS

[slender terrace]

is there an ilvl difference you'd break old 4pc for in M+?

for no set bonus

[oak ivy]

oh man I've been waiting for the day I get to do this to someone

[tame jasper]

yes it's my 2nd most damage taken in uldaman 20

[jagged pier]

Unironically ppl forgetting the S jey is their best defensive this patch

[oblique kayak]

s jey?

[granite pond]

S key. Backstep gtfo out

[oblique kayak]

oh yeah - especially with rending bite in uldaman

[marble cipher]

For some reason, everytime I backstep the Jagged Bite in Uldaman, it just goes on our melee...

[strong forum]

That's a range thing iirc ye

Just bites closest target

[marble cipher]

Seems like it yeah. Saw some youtubers say to backstep it constantly to avoid the dmg. But that's just selfish then

[jagged pier]

I mean if your fast enough u can outrange flaming slash for what wever from nelarious

But then they just cast it again

[hallow phoenix]

I don't recall jagged bite going onto my melee when I was dancing with them

Danced with two and our fury war never got it

[marble cipher]

In the youtube I saw there was a rogue. And he didn't seem to get hit either.
Our ret Pala is getting all of them if I backstep it during the cast (like the Vicious Peck from the Crane bird in Jade Temple)

[pastel atlas]

melee probably need to be max melee range aswell

[cinder nova]

It is

objectively not worth farming 15s for wyrm crests

[tame jasper]

if you are only for crests, 11 is enough

(or 16 for the higher ones)

if you also consider skip item upgrades you most prob want to runs a key higher to reduce the amount of updates. 17 is the lowest for "hero" gear

[cinder nova]

I just need crests tbh

Do you get the same amount for 11s as you do 15s

[tame jasper]

yes

12 for timed, 5 for not timed dungeons

and 10 for each HC raid boss (15 for the last two)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQogGG6tjV-PtQgunxFgNVMizsfZ9YhhCRQw9vh0vmmeickHwH9HAaB5o58oKhl-IoTNkKqS_pHEC_F/pubhtml

that's a sheed by Dratnos, which summs up everything very good I think. But you need to have a basic understanding of the upgrade system before I think

[cinder nova]

The system isn't complicated.

Just toxic I have to farm low content for wyrms

I could spend aspects into wyrms

but that's objectively shitty

[opal flame]

is there a difference in damage output of shadowflame-tempered armor patch based on the quality?

the tooltip reads the same

[cinder nova]

No, but anything less than R3 makes it less than 100% to get R5

At least, that is, from my experience.

[trail crown]

how are you guys tanking uldaman and halls bleeds? i just went into a 22 uldaman and got destroyed by 2 bleed stacks that got applied at the very first moment i pulled the Vicious Basilisks

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure you can range them.

But also, stunning them.

[trail crown]

oh u can stun the bleed? fml

[cinder nova]

I know you can stun a lot of them, yeah.

But Halls specifically you can just step out of it

It's a very short-range frontal. You should be stepping away from it

[opal flame]

not for me, I'm a dark iron dwarf and have the extra 5 skill which tips it over the inspiration breakpoint with all alloys being 3*

[trail crown]

thank you!

[cinder nova]

Then yeah, just get whatever is cheaper and you can get away with

[opal flame]

nice one, thank you

[tame jasper]

But worth in second werk to get two more items upgraded

[wet meadow]

When I check the raider io etc for high keys I see warrior is not used as much as other tanks apart from paladins aswell. What weakness warrior has or what other classes have that warrior doesn't have? Maybe it is just about my practice/ilvl but I feel much more tanky and doing much more dmg/hps with my 435 ilvl warrior than my 426ilvl pala tank.

[strong forum]

prot pally keeps your group alive

and its just the age old tale of "if pwar isnt considered OP or the best tank, its the least popular tank in the game"

or atleast competing with guardian druid for least popular

[jovial birch]

I have had a few times this season where I wish I had the utility of a Paladin. Whole group died in halls and had to back after I lived and finished the pack. Could have brez or rezzed the healer as Paladin instead had to wait for them for like 3 mins.

But I’m much to angry to embrace the light.

[wet meadow]

Both dps and prot warrior always been weak on the utility no bl, no cr but still apart from that I just dont get it.

[blazing condor]

there's just more you can do with sac/LoH/BoP/whatever else palas got going on nowadays

compared to Rally and Battle shout

[dapper vapor]

I miss playing PWarr, Blizz needs to just give moves like Intervene etc a bit more purpose

Just isnt enough to be a tank that can take hits atm

RIP AoE Shield Wall from beta

[jovial birch]

I have had no issue living or timing dungeons in 18-20 range crazy that im 2300 and top 500 region for io. Then you look at paladins and brewmaster.

[cyan sorrel]

I feel we have no choice but to join the pink plate ppls 😦

[lime urchin]

Pink plate is a lot of fun to play so why not play it

[dapper vapor]

Theres definitely a choice up until the top 0.1% but its just harder for no upside rn

[jovial birch]

I just don’t want to have to gear up again….

[cyan sorrel]

I am atm 2339 io and worked hard for it comparably to Pally

[hallow phoenix]

Spell reflect the only reason I need to keep playing warrior

[lyric heart]

is the new shield recipe any good for warriors?

[chrome falcon]

I’m not on my PC so I beg no one tell me to but is forgestorm gonna be a bigger dps increase on ST or aoe 🤔

[chrome falcon]

No just craft a normal one with the shadow flame patch

[jovial birch]

I was beating in dummies with it yesterday and the proc was only 3% overall. It’s really hard the believe it’s worth losing around 300 strength for that.

Proc rate seems really low or a high icd idk

[chrome falcon]

Oh that’s low huh

[jovial birch]

That’s at 437 ilvl

[dapper vapor]

Why're you losing 300 STR for it

[jovial birch]

There is no strength on it

[dapper vapor]

oh Forgestorm not shield ignore

[jovial birch]

I feel like it’s bait but will have to test more.

[dapper vapor]

Not sure how it will look on Warr but for Pally it was simming a bigger % increase on 5 target over 1 target

But either way it was a fair upgrade

Something like 10 ilvls worth

[chrome falcon]

It was 1.5k dps at equal ilvl on dungeon slice for me

[jovial birch]

My 3% was on target dummy group in valdrakken.

[dapper vapor]

like 3% is actually pretty good

Strike Twice was like 1.5% last season at best and was still great

[chrome falcon]

Like a 1.5k dps increase over a regular 441 that is

[chrome falcon]

Strike twice had str

[dapper vapor]

tru