protection

[crimson hornet]

probably both

[ionic fern]

I still do it.
I automatically press IP due to muscle memory when i could have spent that Rage on Revenge instead.

[granite pond]

Yeah if you're having rage issues it's 100% a player skill/experience thing. Just something to learn and as you play more it'll happen

[crimson hornet]

So when do I press IP over revenge?

[granite pond]

It's not quite that simple because it depends on incoming damage and situation

But certainly you never want to cap on rage

Plus you can sometimes press both since IP isn't on the GCD 🙂

[crimson hornet]

yea for sure. The things discussed here sounds like you rarely press IP and it doesn’t matter. Atm I track it and try always to have it up with shield block and press revenge after that

[granite pond]

Nah it's not that you rarely press - you press it quite a lot in fact

The argument is that because you're constantly pressing it, it doesn't really need to be tracked

Because it'll be up

[crimson hornet]

I see

[granite pond]

I find I'm having a hard time writing about this because all I can think to say is "you just know" and get a feel for it lol

Which is useless advice

[crimson hornet]

looks like rage generation is my problem then

[granite pond]

Could be. That often happens if you're pressing revenge and/or IP too often and don't have enough rage to keep shield block uptime

But if you're not having issues getting 100% uptime on sblock...

[ionic fern]

If you prioritise your buttons correctly you will have plenty of rage.
Most of it will be overcapped unless you use IP a lot (hense the "if you play the class correctly you have IP up most of the time anyways").
Imagine this scenario..
You have 90 Rage. Your SS/TC are on CD.
Do you press Revenge or IP?

[sleek current]

Both. 😂

[alpine thunder]

[crimson hornet]

I just try to always have IP and sblock up and after that I spam revenge when SS/TC is on cd. But legit new to prot so might need to give it a second look 😄

[ionic fern]

In case you already have SB up and running full time, that could also be the answer, yes.
Otherwise you would need to press only ONE of them, since you need to keep enough rage for a SB.

[sleek current]

Spam Last Stand and forget SB exists to be honest. Haha

[lime urchin]

Wait, IP does more than getting avatar off cool-down?

[ionic fern]

Imagine having tier.

[granite pond]

[Hides in 441 4pc]

[jagged pier]

and u probs doing less damage than mwahi

[crimson hornet]

3/4 HC pieces and didn’t do HC this week yet. Who needs to know buttons when you are lucky

[granite pond]

It does pay to be lucky, though I feel like I've seen more people with earlier tier compared to lsat season

I got 2 pieces in heroic last week, 1 in vault, then 1 from 2k rating

[lime urchin]

Don’t hurt me with the truth

The mirror does that already on a daily basis

[granite pond]

Spell reflect the mirror gg

[crimson hornet]

But yea thanks for the advice. Atm I hold shield block up.. somehow 😂 last stand shield charge and SB when it fits, but never bothered to plan ahead

[ionic fern]

Shield Charge

On CD.

[granite pond]

Prot Warrior 101: Everyting on Cooldown!

[crimson hornet]

But I think I press to many IP/revenge

[ionic fern]

As long as you don't rage starve yourself enough that you don't have enough for SB, you're fine.

It's usually the balance of IP/Revenge that is off for people.

E.g people coming in and asking "Why my damage is so low???" and then we see that they are spamming IP and barely pressing Revenge.

(ontop of not pressing enough SS/TC).

[crimson hornet]

Do I need to have 100% IP uptime or just for hard hitting stuff?

At the moment I try to always have IP up and only cast revenge when everything else is on CD and I have IP and enough rage

[ionic fern]

Bad Trais, Bad!

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[crimson hornet]

im glad to find mistakes 🙂

I take it as a no 😂

[sleek current]

Tier? No worries. Trinkets? Shit luck all expansion. Dark times.

[tropic gorge]

Happy Friday pals

Gonna be a semi decent push weekend for m+ I hope

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[oblique kayak]

👆

[timber terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gromnak-gif-22401493

[oblique kayak]

got my 2.5k rating but it hurts

[tropic gorge]

Shit last night wasn't bad at all. But I did learn not to pull the giant dudes in fh with a big pack of smalls

That dude fucking smoked me it was painful

[oblique kayak]

don’t remind me XD

[tropic gorge]

He gets mean with like 8 stacks of bolster lmao

[oblique kayak]

try Lair while pugs can’t dodge avalanche XD

20 had like 40 deaths

[tropic gorge]

Ouch. Well I'm just getting into 15.I'm a bit behind

[warm plinth]

yeh just did my 16 NL and I don't think a single avalanche was dodged 🙃

[tropic gorge]

But damn do I like freehold. Probably one of my favorite dungeons atm in the rotation

[oblique kayak]

yeah i stop explaining aswell - no use

[tropic gorge]

Hoi isn't bad either except that bleed really, really hurts

[jagged pier]

XD

[warm plinth]

The rogue was one of those can't stop moving type of melee and kept standing in frontals too 🙂

[oblique kayak]

just move - no bleed;)

[jagged pier]

Hoi isnt that bad

[tropic gorge]

The frog boss is fun

[oblique kayak]

had such a dh

uldamam bleeds the same just move

[tropic gorge]

Uld is really fun

The 2nd boss is probably my favorite because it's pure chaos

[jagged pier]

it is?

[warm plinth]

Bromach?

I thought he was pretty simple. Tank in mid, grab adds, move out of circle, kill totem, kick chain lightning, gg

The one that always seems like chaos when I do it is Talondras because people choose that time to use every single stun they have despite not pressing it the rest of the dungeon

[tropic gorge]

Usually in pugs I've been in ranged dps has tunnel vision so interrupting the casters that spawn in becomes by responsibility. And that's what leads to some of the chaotic movements

[warm plinth]

Fair

I main prot pally so I just yeet the shield

[tropic gorge]

I could just ignore them, but that's poor tanking

[warm plinth]

We just need to petition blizz to give us gag order back

[tropic gorge]

I'm jealous of the cptn America shield throw lol

I always have been. Paladins pulling packs with casters with basically an aoe silence is so good

[misty sail]

what are you thinking about the Shadowed Impact Buckler Shield?

[jagged pier]

bad

[misty sail]

it sims okay

but nobody recommended it

[jagged pier]

because its bad

[tropic gorge]

I'm still farming what I need up push my crafted shield up. I'm so slow

[misty sail]

xD

[jagged pier]

see ppl have actually gone and tested the shield so we know its bad

[uncut vale]

random slightly non prot related question but I just came back to the game and DBM is giving me timers for nearly all add abilities - is there anyway to turn it off and only have the boss ability timers?

[jagged pier]

for instance if u have shadowflame on shield and sim it with another shadowflame patch on another piece the sim will over sim by about 4k

sims arent always accurate

[warm plinth]

I just inted my own NL key I think. I thought we were going to be short on time so I double pulled before last boss. Should've known the group wouldn't have been able to handle it but oh well. Ended up 1:15 over

[misty sail]

ty

[astral crystal]

yes

just fiddle around the options

also might be personal preference, but bigwigs is a lot better than DBM imo

[uncut vale]

I cant find the option to turn them off

I'm used to dbm

[sick sentinel]

master yi says "doubt is the greatest enemy"

[warm plinth]

lol

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure thats true and yi is based and... well... something pilled

[tropic gorge]

Damn it yogi I read that in his voice

[potent gulch]

never say it. 😭

[tropic gorge]

I can't wait to get 4pc. The ss Shockwave is gonna be awesome

[sick sentinel]

that would be busted amazing op broken if 4pc made us cast shock wave while casting SS during LS

[uneven mason]

I mean stun dr

[desert totem]

And which crafter’s shield would you recommend?

[uneven mason]

I'd consider that to be a detriment

[jagged pier]

primal molten defender

[desert totem]

with the shadowflame embellishment?

[jagged pier]

if u want sure

[sick sentinel]

i have spikes on my shield personally atm

[uneven mason]

Flavor packet

[sick sentinel]

then again, im 418 ilvl "hard stuck on 10's" atm

[uneven mason]

Bruh even my baby druid is doing 15s

[sleek current]

You can do way higher than that at that iLvl.

Remove the spikes and put a patch on your shield as well. 😊

Spikes poopy now.

[tropic gorge]

I'm considering the flavor packet so I can also use the crafted sword lol

[jagged pier]

the crafted sword is a waste of a spark

[uneven mason]

Pogstorm

Just farm neltharius

[tropic gorge]

I should for that bis weapon

[uneven mason]

Fuck all other weapons

[tropic gorge]

It's proc is stupid strong looking

It also kinda makes me sad that a dropped weapon is that good and that much superior to the crafted one

[warm plinth]

This is how much a 424 forgestorm did in a 16 NL

[tropic gorge]

I think I'll do that tonight. Try to farm nel for a bit to see if I get lucky

6 percent of your total dmg?

Jesus lmao

[tight gull]

how long was the key and how many procs

[crude notch]

huh

why does length of the key matter?

6.5% is 6.5%

[sonic path]

How you guys handling the bleed in uldaman ?

getting destroyed by chomp

[sleek current]

Stun them to reset their damage buff stacks.

[jagged pier]

thats a different bleed

[sleek current]

You can also interrupt the cast with a stun.

Is it?

[jagged pier]

u can move out of chomp

yes your thinking of the custodians

[sonic path]

really? the cast is quick, just kite?

[jagged pier]

thats what ppl are saying

🤷

[sonic path]

ill give it a shot cheers dude

[crude notch]

eat it, no balls.

[sonic path]

walked into a 19 last night and got my ass handed to me by them

[crude notch]

wait what bleed are you talking about?

[sonic path]

Chomp

[crude notch]

oh

[sonic path]

From the baskalisks

it hurts haaha

[vivid abyss]

when would u consider taking rumbling earth for m+?

[jagged pier]

no

[vivid abyss]

is it never worth it taking 15s off the aoe stun?

[jagged pier]

no never

because u already have another stun

and a fear

and with all the other classes in the game your going to dr mobs if u reduce the cd of stuns

[vivid abyss]

well yeah i guess we jave much more compared to other tanks anyway

[supple glacier]

I noticed the basilisk and the serpent Who do bleed, when they cast it you just run out and in and they Never cast it on you

But you must do contiualy

Coz he perma cast on you

[gentle whale]

When should I ditch my S1 4pc set? I had a way late start so most of my pieces are only even 402 I think. Would replacing it all with even straight 424 be an upgrade, or would I be shooting myself in the foot?

[left basalt]

Pins

[left basalt]

When can i drop T29 Tier piece??
You can drop 4pc once you have 2 items which are 15+ilvl upgrade each or to get new T30 2pc
You can drop 2pc once you have T30 2pc/4pc and/or if you sim higher without it

[desert totem]

U never pull other patrols with fear?

[final mist]

You don't want to let them just run away, you use the fear as an interrupt / damage break

The amount of aoe damage going out means they shouldn't run very far at all, basically nowhere

[odd nimbus]

can you use ward oif faceless ire on yourself?

[hollow hill]

yea, it will default to you if you don't have another player targeted

[odd nimbus]

ow good

[hardy snow]

macro it with [@player]

[hollow hill]

Just finished reading through that IP discussion from this morning, that was wild lol

[icy atlas]

I was surprised not to see it in the BiS lists

[final mist]

It is BiS

[hardy snow]

its 2nd position on the list 🙂

[uneven mason]

Wait I missed a IP Debate?

DAMN MY WORK

[hollow hill]

Scroll up to like super early this morning

[uneven mason]

can't be fucked

just going to wallow

[icy atlas]

So basically the takeaway from that discussion was, IP is important, but ppl generally don't track it because they press it so often anyway? Because I've always essentially seen it as increasing your health

So pretty important

[uneven mason]

Ok so I went and read it, more bitter about missing that, so many fucking golden opportunities for my horrible analogies and snark that I missed. @warm plinth throwing down in my absence though I see.

[fluid beacon]

Alright boys

We need to talk about this bullshit

Infused Strikes

that shit is fucking bullshit.

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

Any of my big brain genius prot warrs who've killed M Experiments yet got any pointers

[carmine pine]

Use your cds

[fluid beacon]

I looked at my DTPS etc and im about where I need to be

[carmine pine]

And kill boss before it kills you

[fluid beacon]

i rotate my CDs like a mad man

[fluid beacon]

hmmm..... im doing it wrong then

[carmine pine]

Its painful

[fluid beacon]

Riemiwar is you yea

[carmine pine]

Killed last night but it was a bit spicy at times

Ye

[fluid beacon]

i just compared logs with you

[carmine pine]

I was blasting

[fluid beacon]

yes

my healers are crying and bitching at me

saying to get all tank trinkets

[plush tendon]

I was gonna play prot warrior in raid.... then I did a alt heroic run on my DK and realized I could just afk the whole time during prog

[fluid beacon]

but how can i blast if i cant blast

[carmine pine]

When only last boss was up I made my bdk hold it lol

[plush tendon]

great decision

[uneven mason]

[carmine pine]

Nah war is fine on it no need for tank trinks

Spell reflect on cd, wall when you're around 4+ stacks and cant clear

Clear as soon as debuff drops

[uneven mason]

Literally like S1

[carmine pine]

There are times you want to wait if breath or bleed about to happen

[uneven mason]

BDK is just stupid in raid settings

[carmine pine]

And use externals

[uneven mason]

the only thing keeping them from the crown in M+ is their damage is dogshit

Sorry, Dogshit probably does more damage than BDK right now

[plush tendon]

BDK damage is poop, but also the damge profiles in dungeons is way different then raid

[uneven mason]

Yup

[plush tendon]

getting one tapped is a thing in M+.... not so in raid with telegraphed mechs

[uneven mason]

But in Prog raiding, tank damage is less of a consideration than "Can we just not worry about mechanics"

[strong forum]

4pc unlocked

[uneven mason]

[strong forum]

min 80k dps now each key

[carmine pine]

4 pc is lit

Love the cdr on last stand from 2 piece tho

[strong forum]

eh i barely notice it

[plush tendon]

if the dragon damage thing was during last stand it be better

but it really doesnt change the way we play

except slamming last stand on CD

[carmine pine]

No it doesnt but I enjoy the uptime on it

[plush tendon]

the 2 piece is the interesting part tbh

[carmine pine]

In raid last stand is feeling good with the lower cd imo

[plush tendon]

still give me cleave during last stand so I can control it or somethng

[errant leaf]

Yes thats so annoying to get the damages after you pressed everything

[earnest canyon]

Hi everyone
Can someone point me to a good log from where I can learn,ish?

[plush tendon]

make your own and bring it in!

we can look through it

[earnest canyon]

asking since I know some top pwar players are not even playing good
atleast they were not in SL

[plush tendon]

[cinder storm]

Top pwar in SL had to play better than DF

It was mostly a discussion if the trinket that must not be named was worth or not

[earnest canyon]

I mean
@strong forum correct me if Im wrong, but certain streamer was playing like dogshit througout whole SL?

[uneven mason]

playing "Well"

[strong forum]

lot of em

[earnest canyon]

ye, hence my question about the log
looking at top logs sometimes is the opposite of learning

[strong forum]

didnt play reprisal well -> low blocked hits
didnt play around outburst -> sent it at random, not on SS primarily
low rage gen cuz overprio of diff buttons
low banner uptime cuz low rage gen and bad reprisal management

top 5 pwar btw

a good log uh

can always look at sense

i upload mine aswell but i only do weekly keys cuz i dont care about score but they give a good insight on how a log should look like

[earnest canyon]

thank you ❤️

[strong forum]

for raid you can defo check out sense and jakey

sense is usually #1 or close to it, and jakey is around there too

[carmine pine]

Sense is based as fuck

[round pendant]

I hate m+ rating

[carmine pine]

I just hate m+

[round pendant]

I didn't play much week 1 so I'm behind on rating and forced to run dogshit low keys

[cinder storm]

have friends

[round pendant]

playing dps this season too so it's just a miserable experience

I have friends but none who like playing healer/tank

[cinder storm]

I've helped so many ppl since bfa that I just log and ppl are asking me to tank keys, I tell em I'm just chilling and they offer help for weekly

[round pendant]

I wish there was something that informed the groups I'm applying to that I'm literally always #1 dps in keys

[daring marlin]

lmao

[oblique kayak]

there is - it just takes effort on your end

[fluid beacon]

ok sorry, i had to go afk earlier. going back to Mythic Experiments

what I tried last night on our first night on it is have my brew tank longer than I do

to help with damage intake. onyl when both are up its risky

the problem I find is that when he tanks the boss solo, we cant reset and i have infused strikes on me still

i obviously have less rage cuz nothing is swinging at me

so less rage = fewer IP

so the danger i see is with stacks and nothing swinging at me funnily enough

[strong forum]

well

a mob swinging at you is very little rage in raid

cuz bosses melee once every 1.6/2.1 seconds

[fluid beacon]

whatever it is, its enough for me to cast fwer IP

i dont waste it on revenges

[strong forum]

well

more revenges = more shield slams = more rage

ykno

you cant just blindly pump into IP

thatll make you weaker in the long run

offensively and defensively

[fluid beacon]

well yes. its not like i ignore revenge completely

i dont waste my rage on it unless i have a proc or am drowning in rage during ravager or whatever

our best pull. about 3.5 mins long or so

Reims rage gen same time

[strong forum]

400 more on shield slam

[fluid beacon]

he got swung at a lot more

cuz he tanks it more, i tank it less

i get swung at less

[plush tendon]

the ideal way to do keys

[fluid beacon]

almost identical revenge casts

he jsut casts more SS

more procs probabbly

it not like i dont press SS

[carmine pine]

Do you have windfury?

[strong forum]

he only took 25 infused strikes, you took 27

[fluid beacon]

ohh ya

the first one is the dot?

[strong forum]

his cotank tanks 75% of the time

hes barely tanking

his bdk cotank is literally tanking 3x as much

[carmine pine]

Yee cause bdk is busted lol

[fluid beacon]

him and I proc'd evenge 4 times. same thing

revenge*

[carmine pine]

I'm there for moral support lol

[fluid beacon]

whats the name of the actual shield slam proc

the free one

[strong forum]

its not a proc/buff

[fluid beacon]

of course daddy

always have to have a WF bitch on deck

[strong forum]

i cant check your logs sadly shaker

[fluid beacon]

so how's he hitting more SS than me. probably just on target more maybe

more melee swings for rage gen

[strong forum]

skill issue idk

lotta people dont snipe SS resets as much

oversend other buttons cuz they dont react as much

human error always plays a role

without your log i cant see into much

[carmine pine]

Yeah sniping resets is something you might need to improve on

[fluid beacon]

well thats what im asking

SS resets

how can u track that

[strong forum]

looking at the SS button

[carmine pine]

Track ss cd

[fluid beacon]

on logs you goof, lmfao

[strong forum]

you cant

[fluid beacon]

ok

[carmine pine]

Its not a buff

[strong forum]

what you can do

is maybe slam your log into wowa

dunno if its updated

[fluid beacon]

no i think i figured the problem out

or one of the problems

like i suspected

more melee swings is also more rage

im not on target enough

dodging shit probablt

[strong forum]

well if youre not meleeing the target you obv lose SS casts

[fluid beacon]

too afraid to reset with my cotank accidentally

exactly

hes a fucking tiny ass brew tank

zig zagging all over

[carmine pine]

Put a mark on your cotank and yourself

[fluid beacon]

we've had accidental refreshes

i do lol

but hes small as fuck

[carmine pine]

And assign sides of the boss to stay on

[strong forum]

markers and if youre not tanking, stand in melee camp

[carmine pine]

Will help

[fluid beacon]

i told him to turn into a tauren with the touy

[carmine pine]

Nah just mark eachother

[fluid beacon]

we have markers

i always have markers on

[crude notch]

maybe get functioning glasses?

[fluid beacon]

tru and real

[strong forum]

you have 270° angle of freedom to position around the boss, be the melee dps you always wanted to be

[carmine pine]

Assigning sides of the boss will help

[fluid beacon]

i am. i think its more of a problem during the switls. we sometimes run to the same "empty" spot during swirls

and accidentla reset

and him dashing to orbs sometimes. me charging orbs at the same time

its definitely a little bit of a dance

[carmine pine]

Since my cotank is blood and he just death strikes the damage. If I didnt have to hold the boss I was a melee dps

[fluid beacon]

to try and 6 foot COVID distance at all times

[fluid beacon]

the things is... outside of swirls or the big aoe this isnt a problem

druring swirls and shit is where the fuck ups happen

so i dont sit on target sometimes ti play overly cautious

but its fucking with my damage and rage gen

[carmine pine]

1 swirl wont kill you or your cotank

If I have wall running I will just say fuck it

Also he intentionally just stood in everything so he could try to beat the healers on healing done

[final mist]

[carmine pine]

Worst case clearing early is healable

Not ideal but it's not a wipe

[final mist]

I got my second shadowflame last night, which means I dropped 2pc/2pc

Also means my mastery is too damn high for prot

[weary python]

Should I use my Omni token to get 2 piece, or just wait until raid is over this weekend, see what I get and use the Omni token to fill out then. I see value in getting 2pc right away, but I also think the smart play is using the token to get the 4pc more efficiently.

[sleek current]

I'd wait

[final mist]

Smart play is to wait

It also means you can tell your loot council "hey I'm sitting on an omnitoken" ao they just give you two pieces

Unless you don't do a loot council or w/e equivalent for some reason in which case you just pray people don't steal loot ig

[weary python]

We do loot council

[final mist]

Then you pray the LC likes you

[crude notch]

become the LC

[fluid beacon]

it wont. problem is sometimes you have big aoe explosion AND swirls

[crude notch]

and then it don't matter

[fluid beacon]

standing in the ecplosion + switls + Infused strieks on you

is no bueno

but ill address those movement issues next time we raid

I know its not my lack of usage of defensives and shit

its rage gen

if i dont hit shit i dont gen shit

[fluid beacon]

oh we did that a few times alright, rofl

[carmine pine]

yeah its painful but i dont think i moved out of the first bosses aoe a single time

just spell reflect or if i had demo or wall running i just kept pumping

def not the ideal play but i was a greedy goblin

[olive bay]

If I wanted to pick up Bitter Immunity, what would be a safe thing to drop?

[carmine pine]

i wouldnt

[olive bay]

Really? I feel like it would help in keys

[vast sleet]

What M+ trinkets are ones I should be targeting? This week (only 417 ilvl) been feeling squishy and my current ones are horrible. Wondering what instances to be targeting.

[fresh igloo]

some examples in pins

[carmine pine]

it has a long cd and doesnt remove bleeds

[vast sleet]

Doh I didn’t check those, 🙏

[carmine pine]

but i mean if you absolutely wanted it there a few things you could drop but imo they are much better than bitter immunity

[olive bay]

Is there a more defensive build I can take until my gear improves?

[carmine pine]

defensive stance helps if you feel squishy

[sick sentinel]

zanadalari must be very nice for classes that can immune or attack from range

[carmine pine]

until you get tier playing heavy rep helps with shield block uptime as well

[olive bay]

Yeah I've been running that honestly - Like the first pull in a 16 freehold just hurts

[sick sentinel]

bubble regen

[carmine pine]

are you rotating through your cds

[olive bay]

Yeah I had to burn all of them on that first pull

[carmine pine]

thats fine

they will be up for the next one

[olive bay]

Is it? I'm a new tank

[carmine pine]

thats the wonderful part about warrior

[olive bay]

It feels bad burning last stand, shield wall, etc. on a single pull

[carmine pine]

low cd on demo shout and with anger management you will get shield wall back up in no time

[crude notch]

CDs are meant to be used.

[sick sentinel]

kind of a shame that regenerate breaks on attacked

[carmine pine]

you can send almost every cd on every pack and itll be up for the next

if youre sitting on a cd and its not already planned for something soon then youre wasting it

in most cases

your cds are there to keep you alive and make you easier to heal

the less healing you require the easier time you will have

[viral elk]

The best trick I learned for CDs in m+ is use them early and often. Just know going into a pack what you're blowing and rip it.

[olive bay]

Yeah, the only time I try not to use them is right before the frost 3rd boss in Halls of Infusion. Fuck that dragon + 4 pack

[karmic plinth]

what is your ilvl and what is the build you are running

[amber siren]

Is there an issue with homeland raid horn right now? I tried it in Nelths and it did 1.9% damage and even on training dummies it's doing like 100k damage

[olive bay]

In prot I'm 424 w/ a 408 shield.. I haven't gotten a single shield upgrade and my sparks went to Fury for raid. I'm just using the m+ prot build from WowHead

I'm just farming for a damn shield at this point

[carmine pine]

do you have any sparks from last season?

[karmic plinth]

do you have tier 30 2 piece yet

if you dont on that build you probably will want to swap into the fray out for heavy repercussions

[olive bay]

No, I used sparks on Belt and Boots. I had to meet item level reqs for raid so unfortunately I had to do that or miss raid

I have a warrior and pally buddy who offered to help me run keys and try to funnel me a shield if they get it

I don't tank raid - I DPS

That's why I didn't craft a better shield

I tank keys

[dusky canopy]

@fluid beacon try binding SS to your ip and shield block binds, helps with sniping resets

[left basalt]

Can you still craft an old primal molten defender 421 if you have old sparks?

[olive bay]

yes I do

I have a spark but I don't have the infusions

[left basalt]

F

[finite bolt]

need some advice wt one would u say

[olive bay]

Yeah I burned everything getting to DPS item level. Now my item level is almost 430 as a DPS but I'm lacking on a shield. I feel like that's probably just why I feel so squishy

[finite bolt]

the proc effect sooo good but idk

[crude notch]

You created a weapon, monka

Just sim

[left basalt]

[pastel atlas]

what ring do we replace diurna/onyx with? 441 haste crit?

[sick sentinel]

1 hand weapon is no longer EZ mode to get FS good, but u have to go farm it....

it was a low valor item

[fluid beacon]

im pretty damn good with smacking that SS. when you play this shit enough you can kind of feel those resets coming

[sick sentinel]

i think im going to craft my weapon too if i don't get FS fast

[lament scroll]

is it worth breaking T29 4 piece for a single 441 item? (helm in this case)

[dusky canopy]

You’re right sure, but non the less it helps even the best of the best

[lament scroll]

the stat gain is huge, but not sure about losing the extra IP

[dusky canopy]

I broke it for two pieces that were atleast +15 ilvl if that helps you decide

You’re basically giving up some defense from 4pc for more stats witch also give some defense but more offense

If you’re doing bleeding edge content you might need the 4pc otherwise I’d probably just go with ilvl once you have 2 pieces that are a decent bump

[crude notch]

Pins cover when you should break

[fluid beacon]

I think Talisman of the Cragshaper is pretty good on Experiments

Vers and 1 min CD defensive trinket cant be bad at all for that fight

[dusky canopy]

It’s a really good defense trinket for us in general

Nom was saying something like 1.2m absorb once you factor in ignore pain

[viral elk]

Farming it now. Def want it for that fight.

[broken juniper]

yo, anybody know what to do against the wardens (Neltharus, wardens are the first 2 mob you see in front of you)
they destroy my ass

[runic hatch]

spellblock

[loud wave]

Guys as a Mythic Plus player when would You suggest to switch my annulet for another ring? As soon as I good higher ilvl with ideal stats or when my overall illv is way higher?

[runic hatch]

Or kitting

[broken juniper]

they still hurt af

[broken juniper]

in the pinned post, it is recommended to switch with a ilvl 440 + ring

[runic hatch]

I know, kinda dodging this dungeon this week ngl

[broken juniper]

other than the wardens, it isnt too bad

[jagged pier]

spell block

SW

SR

[broken juniper]

the blacksmith are also a pain in the ass

[jagged pier]

external

kite

[crude notch]

Actually one of my favorite dungeons. Chain boy still buggier than I'd like though

[loud wave]

thank You

[broken juniper]

i've seen pallys tank those in a +22 without ever taking more than 20-30% of their HP, even with them bolstered, its insane

[crude notch]

That Pally also probably knows how to play.

[runic hatch]

😮

[dusky canopy]

[crude notch]

Guilford "Jordan being catty"

[daring marlin]

Neltharus is the best dungeon

hi jordan

[crude notch]

It's such a gigachad dungeon

Should try it as a gnome can't see shit in there.

[daring marlin]

gnome

[crude notch]

I'm swapping off the Monk btw

[daring marlin]

speaking of monk

[crude notch]

We're prepping for 10.1.5

[daring marlin]

best healer I've had all season is this mistweaver monk

prepping wut for 10.1.5

[crude notch]

Yo had a mw do like 50k DPS in this Uldaman I did earlier

Homie was blasting

[crude notch]

🧸

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

thats more than some dps players ive had the honor of playing with

[crude notch]

I wouldn't doubt it, had an enhance doing 40k in a VP I did earlier and he blamed pull size but the other two DPS were doing 100k+ so.

[vital arch]

How do you blame pull size on VP lol

[strong forum]

ive yet to have a dps do more than 5k more than myself

[final mist]

Put me in coach

Really unfortunate you have to pug

[crude notch]

Guaranteed to do 5.5k more than you or your money back

[final mist]

Pugs are

[vital arch]

Can we just do some gigachad 4 warrior nelth runs so we all get forgestorm

[dusky canopy]

Oh shit MW sleeper or what

[crude notch]

IDK I've ran with some banger MWs this season

They also provide me with 5% physical

And do more damage than WW, so.

[dusky canopy]

I feel like in order to be a MW at the high end you gotta be gigachad at the spec

So it makes sense that they’d be really good if you ran into one

Kinda how Ret used to be or boomkin right

Like you run into them at the high end and they just play there asses off doing all the mechanics etc lol

[tropic gorge]

Pug life can be awesome when you run into like minded or skilled players

In my own pug experience most players are middle of the road. The truly bad ones stick out in my mind

[tropic gorge]

Had a pro ret last night in fh that hit me with freedom every single time the snare came up

The first couple I was like "that's a neat trick". But when it was over I was like "damn bro good gameplay"

[dusky canopy]

Yeah they’re used to having to try there heart out to stand out so you know when you run into a good one pretty quickly

[tropic gorge]

I also really, really like that avatar totally negates that

[cinder storm]

One time, me and my healer friend were struggling to time ToP 18 during S1, most dps we kept finding were dogshit, then, one night, a stack of players applied, they had decent io but they brought a lust and a brezz I think, anyways, it was the smoothest ToP I ever ran, at the end of the key they said "sorry we are drinking and made mistakes" I was like my brother from another mother, bless your soul

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[cinder storm]

Its hard to find good players, and io score matters little too, sometimes you find gems with low io, and really bad players with high io

[fresh igloo]

basically competent/average players and drunk? ... uh .. was it me?

[dusky canopy]

Lmao I know right

[cinder storm]

The amount of time me and my healer jokingly discussed on depleting a key just so that one dps wouldnt get io is way too high, we never did it, but we also know that's how many ppl end up getting io

[dusky canopy]

You don’t need all 5 players to be competent to time a key so lots of people slowly climb their way into the high end

I’m not necessarily complaining about it because everybody wants the best gear but yeah it definitely happens a lot I’d imagine

[cinder storm]

Yeah, and it happens with every role, last season many bad healers got carried bc of offhealers, bad tanks often get carried by gigabrain dps, and viceversa

[crude notch]

I invest so little thought into how bad someone is, like idc, we're just here to game, and you might've had a shit day. Come on little disc priest who doesn't use atonement to heal hop in my back pack.

[final mist]

Playing Disc this season is troll anyways

Holy just gigabetter

[cinder storm]

That's until you start running higher keys for io and that discpriest is sitting with 2 pain sups and you are kiting waiting for a defensive, then they run in front of you and get cleaved

Holy might be better, but no dpriest main will run holy for fun

[final mist]

Well yeah because they're OTPs who only want to play a spec they aren't good at

[pure hare]

Can someone offer me some guidance on gearing? I raid twice a week, and play a lot of M+ throughout the week, I'm main tank in our guild raid, but play arms in M+, struggling a little bit on stats and gems/enchants etc since I don't really have two sets of gear yet and the primary stats are different for the two specs, am I gimping myself as prot if I stay more arms oriented stats/enchants?

[vocal nimbus]

how can i check how many m+ runs have i done for x dungeon?

stormforger doesnt exist in my server or sth

[final mist]

The only people who should be playing disc this season are people routinely at the top of Healing leaderboards for m+

[final mist]

Arms prioritizes haste/crit, no?

[pure hare]

haste crit ya but not really vers

is vers not really that big of a deal? We're just in heroic atm

I guess if I just focus haste/crit I should be fine I'm probably overthinking it

[olive bay]

I have definitely ran two keys back to back with massively different results - some times shit just goes wrong

[karmic plinth]

vers isnt that important

its a stat but you dont need it

[pure hare]

Cool ty

[daring marlin]

trapped in vp hell

[pure hare]

I hate vp

[daring marlin]

Slapped a 19, 20 and 21 with the same mw

dude is a chad

[pure hare]

What about crafted gear? Is there anything interchangeable with arms/prot?

[final mist]

All three specs want Shadowflame

You can get by with non-optimal stats if you need

Ex. I'm maining Fury this season so I'm making do with Haste/Mastery on my crafted gear for the Shadowflame spots for when I tank

Ideally they'd be Haste/Crit but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pure hare]

❤️

[final mist]

Stats are important but only to a reasonable extent, the vast majority of what will decide how well you do is you pressing buttons

[fresh igloo]

I'm haste/critting all my gear and using it for fury because

well

my raid only does heroic

pushing keys is my real prog (where I tank)

[pure hare]

Keys is where I prog too but its reverse for me I tank raid dps M+ (arms) lol

[fresh igloo]

ah.

i tried to get in as a raid tank so i could focus on one spec but no go.

[pure hare]

I wish I could play fury I know its in a better spot I just don't like it, and perform better on arms

In my 40's so its nice to give my fingers a break while I'm bladestorming lmao

[fresh igloo]

lol, same in reverse. almost 40 and i can't stand arms even when it's performing better

[tardy wyvern]

any tips to deal with the custodians in Uldaman? they riiiiip me

[odd tree]

i raid mostly as arms and tank keys when no guild tank is around. i stack haste/crit for both, totally fine. not gimping yourself at all.

[bleak shadow]

Just asking cause i Joined a few hours ago, but is there a List for best/good/decent Trinkets this Season ?

[fresh igloo]

is that the snek bois with the jagged rip bleed

[odd tree]

ive actually added a bit of mastery to my arms set, still feels good as prot

[fresh igloo]

pins

[fresh igloo]

prot does want a little of everything, just emphasis on haste for rotation and crit for damage output

[bleak shadow]

mhh got the Enduring Dreadplate from Heroic any idea if its worth upgrading to 441 ?

[fresh igloo]

iirc it's OK but not amazing. if it's what you have, tthen yeah probably upgrade it

[pure hare]

Haha nice, yeah at the end of the day you're gonna perform better on what you're having fun with 🙂

[fresh igloo]

once you've upgraded slots the next one of that slot you don't have to burn crests on

[daring marlin]

Keep in mind if you upgrade two trinkets to 441 then any you get later only need flightstones

[fresh igloo]

so there's not a lot of reason to hold off on upgrading things while you wait for a good drop

[bleak shadow]

yeah i know but its only item i can upgrade right now with aspect thingy

[fresh igloo]

so what's the concern?

[bleak shadow]

dont want to waste ressources cause i already used 6 Wyvern to craft a shield and Frostfire Belt

[fresh igloo]

plenty of crests to get

just use 'em and get more.

like multiple people have said, even if you swap out a slot the upgrade track means it wasn't really a waste.

[bleak shadow]

mhh sure maybe im just to worryed and should just start upgrade , my Mind is always like " there could be better stuff till the end of the week"

[fresh igloo]

that is precisely why the upgrade discounts exist

[bleak shadow]

S1 still is in me XD

[pure hare]

Anyone wanna do me a huge favor and take a look at my gear and make a recommendation on what I should use my two sparks on? Keeping in mind I play both prot and arms 🙏

[fresh igloo]

shadowflame x2 and a flava pocket

or shadowflame and unstable frostfire belt and a flava pocket

[bleak shadow]

Frostfire Belt and Boots i think

[fresh igloo]

wrist/belt/boots are good slots for both sets

shield for prot probably should be crafted for most people

[lusty tiger]

You keep walking out of melee range every time they cast their bleed

It’s a little dance

[fresh igloo]

so if you have a crafted dps set weapon then could also put an embellishment there

[pure hare]

I got lucky and got the experiment 1 shield

heroic level

[proper roost]

Holding upgrades isn't really that good of an idea unless you're certain you will get an upgrade from raid or crafted later that week

If you dont raid and you're out of sparks it's going to mostly be wrong to wait on wyrm crests

[bleak shadow]

only thing to keep in mind is if you want Boots with haste /mastery for dps or haste/vers for Tanking i thing haste/mastery is ok for both

[proper roost]

Wasting a few is irrelevant, you will run out of a need for wyrm crests either next week or the week after

[fresh igloo]

or just crit /haste.

i think arms wants crit/haste if you're doing prot/arms.

[fresh igloo]

i think the only good raid shield is calamity's herald, but ilvl matters more than secondaries so that's probably fine.

hard to beat this if you're not in mythic raids tho

[pure hare]

Here's my gear, I think a primal molten greatbelt with shadowflame is kind of an obvious upgrade - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/53bx5nYBcEq4ryc5amECe8

[fresh igloo]

you only have one embellishment rn and it's lariat?

[proper roost]

Not just mythic raid

It's like, echo that drops it isn't it

Unless you are in a very very good guild you aren't getting a better shield than crafted for a long time

[pure hare]

yeah I had fang on my weapon but took it off when I recrafted

was also using wristguard of companionship

but not using that because its only 408

[fresh igloo]

getting some new 2 pc tier and double new embellishments will be a big boost.

[bleak shadow]

well lariat is still old content, so i would swithc to Belt+X

Boots / wrist or Shiled if ysou want to tank

[fresh igloo]

which specific slot you should craft in is really just something you should sim, but like i said above belt/boots/wrists are great options

[pure hare]

yeah i've kind of been waiting to get KSM to get a free tier piece before making a decision

I have a normal tier chest sitting in my vault

[fresh igloo]

i mean, just get it

then you have the token

you can hold the token in your bags.

[pure hare]

yeah im 2 dungeons away haha work is keeping me from getting it until later today

[sick sentinel]

if i ren the bridge balls

wil the end desapw or whateever those

[proper roost]

What in the sam hell

[sick sentinel]

VP bridg balls

[hollow lion]

Hi all. If I provide a log from my most previous raid would someone be able to look at it and tell me somethings to I can pass along to my warrior cotank? I think I see some of the issues but he’s getting his shit ROCKED and I have to pull back on my dps as a tank to not take threat from him.

Sry to interrupt the conversation going on

[vast sleet]

What do you all think about that spore cloak embellishment vs 1x shadow for more defense? Or pretty useless since we should rarely get to 30%

[weary python]

How are people jumping up to like 337+ so quickly? I run mostly 16-17's and I'm not getting crests THAT fast to where everything is full "hero" gear

[dusky canopy]

This was the min max at season launch

This is how people are 440 already

[lusty tiger]

Let me just loot 5 pieces from 19+ rq

[weary python]

hmmm

[dusky canopy]

19+ week 1 was tough but it’s very doable now

Well

Relatively

[fresh igloo]

i'm sure someone will be happy to look at a log

usually better for the tank to come asking tho, not someone else

[wary spire]

Why tf is the shoulder highest ilvl when you trade the 2k rating token

[sick sentinel]

RIP bridge balls they deleted thgem from vP

[dusky canopy]

Because it’s highest ilvl in raid also

[fresh igloo]

it's based on the boss it would drop from

[wary spire]

Ahh

[odd nimbus]

im beginning to think that [Mark of Dargrul]is a lie and it doesnt drop

[daring marlin]

of course they did, they put a pack there

I usually pull two assassins with that pack too

[dusky canopy]

My co bear got it out of vault this week LOL

[daring marlin]

after killing dragon

[odd nimbus]

what is the drop rate of [Mark of Dargrul]?

[daring marlin]

low

[fresh igloo]

make sure you're not looting in prot spec, too

it's a dps trinket

[modern brook]

50%

[daring marlin]

Joking aside you need to realize

[fresh igloo]

you get it or you don't

lol

[daring marlin]

drops from M+ are ass

[sick sentinel]

they changed VP from what i remember

[daring marlin]

they changed it a whole lot pal

[fresh igloo]

yeah you have to get picked as one of two people to get an item, then also roll the right item from the entire dungeon's loot pool.

it could take a while if you're targetting something specific.

[sick sentinel]

its like when u step into the remodeled mc donlands from down the street and its still the same building but it looks a bit different here and there

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

from how i remember it from cata

[hollow lion]

I fully agree. However I’m not sure how likely that is to happen so here I am doing it instead unfortunately:/

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KQRF2P8tfngYq3AL#fight=1&type=damage-done he’s getting shredded like paper. And I’m fairly certain it’s partly due to his SB uptime. I know his gear is a bit low as well

[fresh igloo]

80% blocked hits. could be worse, could be better.

[sick sentinel]

i recall things looking much different in some areas boss 1 tronadoes for 1, the 2 packs of "stars" seemed different already spread out

[modern brook]

80% is ass in raid tbh

[fresh igloo]

using new raid build w/o new tier

that's not helping

[sick sentinel]

ill have to try it on a higher key later on

[hollow lion]

I know his gear is a bit lower like I said. I’m a bear and I have to fully stop some times so I don’t rip threat when it would be bad to

So I know being a bear in ST isn’t helping too much

[modern brook]

High key bro he's just not pressing buttons

53 cpm is low

He's missing st least 1 cast on every cd

[hollow lion]

Cpm?

[modern brook]

Casts per minutr

[sick sentinel]

cast per minute

[hollow lion]

Oh duh

[modern brook]

It's like apm but functional

[fresh igloo]

lot of IP use for low CPM too

[modern brook]

He's dumping so much with io he doesn't have rage to revenge for more slams l

Talents are a Lil scuffed but shouldn't be the cause of anything

[jagged pier]

well not really that would still get 100%

[modern brook]

Sb uptime is waaay low

[timber terrace]

on that log he isn't getting "shredded" tbh his hp is looking fine and he's barely getting healed at all

[hollow lion]

Yea I thought sb uptime was way low. Our closest attempt was his highest SB uptime lol

[jagged pier]

he has 90% blocked hits in the fight thats linked

-.-

[hollow lion]

So all in all what should I tell him so that 1) I don’t have to pull back as much and 2) he doesn’t die and can be more self sufficient as best as a warrior can be

[jagged pier]

well he can play better for sure

[hollow lion]

Lmao

[jagged pier]

but zskarm is a nasty fight for us

[fresh igloo]

where are you seeing that? i checked melee hits taken and saw this

[jagged pier]

thats the wrong comlun

[fresh igloo]

oh, what's the better one

[jagged pier]

the actual hits column

is the one u use

but that being said he is only that high

[fresh igloo]

oh cuz it's hits vs damage

that makes sense, gotcha

[jagged pier]

because hes not running ITF and running HR and bolster and SC capstone

so the fact hes running all of them is covering his mistakes

the TLDR is he needs to switch to ITF

and press his buttons more

[final mist]

He needs to hit buttons better too

[hollow lion]

Which ones

[jagged pier]

all of them

[sick sentinel]

im lookin at it now and the majoriy of the runs i did for m+ are blue parses

[fresh igloo]

i swear i'm blind this morning, i thought I saw ITF on the summary.

[hollow lion]

All of them. Okay.

[jagged pier]

like all his casts are around half of what they should be

well SS should be around 19-20

TC around 10-12

revenge and IP around that too

they all a bit low

[final mist]

It's like he's just not hitting buttons when his GCD rolls over

[hollow lion]

Alright. This is very helpful thank you all I appreciate it a lot.

[jagged pier]

can ask for more externals as well

[fresh igloo]

priority should be
Shield Slam >Thunder Clap>Revenge
keep SB up, burn extra rage on IP
use the CDs like shield charge and roar, during demo shout if possible (because of booming voice)

[hollow lion]

Alright. I will work with him on it and go from there. Hopefully it helps. If not I’ll probably be back.

[fresh igloo]

I know I use IP too much and this person is spamming it harder than i am

[hollow lion]

Thanks guys ♡

[earnest canyon]

Is there some tech to deal with blazing slashes in neltharus?

the cast that wardens do

[daring marlin]

take spellblock

rotate CDs

[earnest canyon]

there are 6 of them in a key and blazing slash is forth highest damage taken from the whole key from the whole party

thats kinda stupid

[daring marlin]

yep

[uneven mason]

To reinforce what others are saying - during Lust, when your rotation is at its most compressed, he used 27 abilities, in 45s

That is literally "Not pressing buttons"

[daring marlin]

you can backstep but it'll just recast it again unless he goes to do the shield cone due to spell queueing shit

[earnest canyon]

Thankfully the range is very small, managed to kite them a bit

[uneven mason]

3 TCs in 45s

[hollow lion]

Can you show me this in some manner so I can give him that please?

[uneven mason]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KQRF2P8tfngYq3AL#fight=1&type=casts&source=2&start=153009&end=197103

[hollow lion]

cuz that’s….not a lot…

[uneven mason]

I mean, he just needs to 1. not rage starve himself

but be able to use every GCD more or less

He's just not using every GCD, TC needs to be pressed WAY more

[red siren]

Hey, in mm+ what is the best between forstfire belt or shadowflame embillishement ?

[uneven mason]

So, to clarify, he used MORE than that, but a lot of off GCD buttons

I think he's a clicker

[hollow lion]

Iirc he’s not bc he was incredulous at the idea of someone else being one

[uneven mason]

Like, there;s bit evidence of travel time and GCD gaps where non GCD abilities are pressed, a GCD ability almost never overlaps with a non GCD press.

Either that or a lack of knowledge of whats on GCD and whats not

[hollow lion]

Gotcha

Thank you guys a lot I appreciate it so much 🙂

[uneven mason]

And if he's rage starving himself with IP - he won't have Revenges to reset SS

[hollow lion]

Yea that makes sense

[uneven mason]

leading to open GCD

[fresh igloo]

this would be my guess

[undone orbit]

YO guys do you macro last stand in your avatar with 4 set

for maximum uptime

[bold turret]

Guys thoughts on Neltharus wep (no str) vs crafted?

[granite pond]

forrrrgggeeestorrrrrrrrm

[polar crypt]

Anyone else getting deep dicked on Zskarn on Heroic?

I know me and the off tank were just getting our stacks too high (10-12) at times. But we both were just taking it hard

[acoustic oasis]

Yes, use spell reflect when basically on CD at high numbers. And cds on cooldown basically on high numbers.

[undone orbit]

spam ip do not spend rage on revenge

if you get it good XD

[acoustic oasis]

I no meme, didnt realize spell reflect gives you raw 20% DR to magic til recently.

[polar crypt]

I think I'm just popping my shit too soon. I was having our range immune bombs to make it easier on healers too

[polar crypt]

It didn't used to be like that

[acoustic oasis]

Yeah id say you for sure dont want to do the bombs AND suffer that ticking dot.

My group has like 3 hunters and 3 paladins

So they have bomb duty

[polar crypt]

You guys using a specific weak aura or addon to help manage/show your defensive cooldowns?

[jagged pier]

u can get it down to 10 max

if u just taunt on debuff drop

unless u get really unlucky with spell queuing

[graceful kite]

move your bars closer to the middle of your screen or use a weakaura

its weird if you dont know what cds you have

[tribal arrow]

c

[granite pond]

put all your defensive cooldowns in the middle of the screen and macro them together. add a sound queue that screams when you use them

[frosty mist]

hi guys question, in the pin post it says that the trinket hearth of thunder (from VP) is a bis offensive but in wowhead, they said that trinket is C tier.

[fresh igloo]

wowhead prot guide tends to lean excessively defensive

[frosty mist]

so, hearth of thunder is pretty good ? ^^

I'll give it a try

[fresh igloo]

looks like it might be pretty strong for AoE damage based on that equip effect, and I'd trust nome, yes.

[real trellis]

Question do we have a stats limit as Protection ?

[fresh igloo]

like a breakpoint where you don't want more haste? not one that is likely to be reasonably achieved in this season

[real trellis]

yea pretty much break point

[jagged pier]

its doing good damag

[uneven mason]

None that would make logical sense, unless we get another Corrupton type system

(Please no)

I suppose if we reach the GCD limitation on haste that'd be a good point to just go raw crit.

[tropic gorge]

I second your please no. Corruption was the worst shit ever

[hallow phoenix]

tfw i liked it

[sturdy meadow]

hey, i currently have my s1 tier set gear at around 408-411 ilvl. At what point would it be worth it to replace it with s2 non-tier set gear from m+ ?

[real trellis]

this discord has been nblowing my mind i have been gearing my tanks so wrong

[nocturne spindle]

like 20 ilvls

[sturdy meadow]

damn

so at least champion gear

[uneven mason]

Try not to get any stuck in your ear, it's everywhere

[sturdy meadow]

Im Not thaaaaaat experienced to run m11+ all the time, so i feel like Champion gear is somewhat rare for me

[haughty thicket]

whats the general consensus on bis embellishments?

[fresh igloo]

shadowflame x2

or shadowflame and unstable frostfire

[uneven mason]

I've gotta say that the embellishments are pretty good this season, druids boots are doing obscene damage

[sturdy meadow]

How do these shadow Flame thingies work, do they share the 2 slots with embellishments?

[fresh igloo]

they are embellishments

[sturdy meadow]

So i cant run lariat+frost fire+shadowflame :/

[nocturne spindle]

no

lariat is bad now though

so chop it up anyway

[sturdy meadow]

I see

[old flame]

We're having some trouble with heroic Rashok taunt swaps, would someone be able to help me look over the logs?

[nocturne spindle]

hmmmm

i mean

if you know the issue

looking at logs wont help

get better at the swap and use a defensive/ D stance if your dieing

[old flame]

Just trying to figure out what's happening since there's been a few times when I get one shot by the first hit

Which, shouldn't be happening

[nocturne spindle]

go ahead and post them

your either missing the first one and are actually getting 2nd hit or just dont have shield block up i suppose

[astral crystal]

Earth slash deals pretty hefty dmg

But it shouldnt kill you

[sturdy meadow]

i have a 408 frostfire belt, how do i upgrade it?

[old flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tRagXCJ8yGkFfPDj/

[willow hearth]

hey guys, its recommend to craft a 447 shield first, are we using the normal one without embellishment or a shield with one?

[fresh igloo]

add an embellishment if you need one

[willow hearth]

but we definetly dont craft the embellishment shield with krit mastery?

[jagged pier]

new spark

[fresh igloo]

the shadow buckler is bad

[novel cloak]

being as the wowhead BiS list is quite defensiv,e what are you guys using as the definitive BiS list?

[jagged pier]

more TC casts than SS

[nocturne spindle]

yea i mean your dieing to the debuff mostof the time

[old flame]

I've been working on it Jakey I'm not as perfect as u

[nocturne spindle]

for the ones you arent use defensives really

[old flame]

Okay so I'm just not fast enough on the swap

Or my co tank isn't

[nocturne spindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tRagXCJ8yGkFfPDj/#fight=26&type=deaths&death=1

like this one where you just die to the hit

no dstance on

or shield wall

[old flame]

Okay I'll need to try and time that out better. Do you just plan on it for each combo? There's one pair that's quick back to back 10s in between sequences I think

[nocturne spindle]

i mean you can just always leave d stance on for the fight

better to die consistently

[old flame]

I meant for other cool downs

Makes sense, i just didn't feel wammied by the previous bosses it was our first night of Rashok pulls

[pallid quiver]

okay, so i have absolutely zero idea what goes on in this raid or anything, but if you're talking about dying to flaming slash, there is something going baseline wrong, since you're taking like 50 times the amount of damage from it as the other tank

[old flame]

That's a double hit

[pallid quiver]

Okay, in more actual terms, literally took 3 times as much damage

Yeah, it feels baseline like there's just something mechanically going wrong before we even look at class play

[old flame]

It's a tank swap like skolex

[pallid quiver]

Again, I have absolutely no idea about any raid mechanics this tier, but past experience tells me something went wrong mechanically like a missed taunt swap or double hit

[modest jewel]

If you mess up the mechanic it's a 100% one shot no defensive chance.

It hits for millions.

[frosty mist]

first test with earth of thunder, 8% of my dps, that's nice

[old flame]

What is earth of thunder?

[frosty mist]

trinket from vortex

[old flame]

Interesting

[frosty mist]

I was asking if it was really good because on wowhead, they put in C tier trinket

[sturdy meadow]

so for shadowflame patch boots i just craft the primal molten sabatons with spark of shadowflame + shadowflame tempered armor patch?

[pallid quiver]

I have absolutely zero idea whether the list on Wowhead is accurate or not, but trinkets can lack main stat and the like, so it's very hard to visually tell how much that 7% is, since stats influence the damage of everything else

[fresh igloo]

yup

[granite pond]

Mmhmm. And enchanted crests depending on the item level you want to hit

[pallid quiver]

There's also some trinkets that are sim bait, in which they'll sim very well, but how they actually work leads them to lose a lot of their damage

[sturdy meadow]

i dont have any enchanted crests yet

[granite pond]

Then yeah just what you listed above

[modest jewel]

What was your overall dps?

[frosty mist]

42k, im low stuff

[young wasp]

Any suggestions on keeping threat in bigger M+ pulls, I didn't have this issue last season but all of a sudden other melee classes (Especially ret paladins) are yanking threat off before I can even get 1-2 gcd's in at the start pulls if I don't have any cooldowns like Ravager/Roar.

It's always in the first 1-2 seconds of combat, but usually the dps flops over before I can even taunt or challenging shout

[flint tulip]

tell your dps to wait or play dps trinket

i still play my 415 whetstone and got no issues

[young wasp]

I'm probably not spacing my cooldowns out well enough to ensure they don't int themselves

I'm also running whestone, it's only really a problem when I don't have an AoE up aside from TC or Demo

[modest jewel]

I find the best thing is trying to be mindful of your cds before big packs. Maybe hold roar for 30 seconds or so if you need to. If you know your absolutely not going to have an offensive CD try to build rage on a previous pack for a extra revenges at the start.

But really not having atleast 1shield charge, roar, challenging shout, or avatar etc. Is going to be rough if DPS have CDS lined up.

[toxic pewter]

sometimes comes a time where u just spam revenge to get aggro

clap and revenge

[compact forum]

Is enduring dreadplate any good?

[toxic pewter]

not really as far as i know

go get a beacon

[compact forum]

ok, it seemed kinda meh

glad i'm not wrong

beacon?

[toxic pewter]

beacon to the beyond, trinket off sarkareth

[normal plover]

what would be normal shieldblock and ignore pain uptime in m+ if I may ask?

[young wasp]

Thanks, I feel dirty not having everything on CD all the time cause it feels like a waste of DPS but I should probably save at least 1 thing for the start of each pack :')

[modest jewel]

Yea saving can be bad too, but ultimately if you lose threat that's gonna be waaay worse then the few thousand dps your losing.

[young wasp]

Also, any sims on when Whetstone is worth switching out? Is it literally just the Sarkareth trinket?

[compact forum]

wtf how did i not know about this trinket? thing looks insance!

[toxic pewter]

nuclear bomb every 2.5 minutes

[pallid quiver]

Shield Block 100%, IP we don't care about its uptime. Depends on how you're getting hit, let alone difficulty of content

[modest jewel]

Shield block should be up 100% of the time your taking physical damage. Mine usually reads 91%+ because I sometimes let it fall if I'm kiting. Ignore pain is just kinda rage dump as you can. If your needing defense you should be pumping any extra rage into it.

[normal plover]

I figured, thanks a lot :)

[pallid quiver]

For example, if you get hit once for like 58 million damage and live somehow, your IP's gonna blow up, and that's all you get hit by for five minutes, your uptime will look amazing. You can also have a cap of 50k and get hit for 100k like every 10 seconds, and your IP uptime's gonna look a lot worse, even though survival wise you're gonna be fine, you're only taking 10k damage per second before you even account for what's getting absorbed into IP

Loose spitballing just to give you an idea about how IP uptime works and why we don't really keep track

[normal plover]

yes, that makes a lot of sense - thanks a lot! :)

[toxic pewter]

does prot pal mitigate more physical damage than us these days or what

[granite pond]

No

[pallid quiver]

I'm going to say yes just in the vain attempt that Blizz will see it and decide to nerf pink class into unplayability

so yes, they mitigate 100% of physical damage

[crude notch]

And they'll laugh at you for your ignorance

[cinder storm]

bubble = 100% mitigation = yes

[toxic pewter]

still dont understand why battle-scarred veteran is still such ass and they get 50% dr every 45 seconds

[daring marlin]

[knotty vortex]

so i tried simming every ring at 447 to see if theres a way to beat onyx ammulet in M+ and nothing comes close. am i missing something. i just heard ST its BiS but not in MT

[tropic gorge]

Ah it's finally the weekend

Time to do warrior things and tank dungeons woo woo

[merry pier]

what embellishments do we use for tanking was looking for a shield to craft

[nocturne spindle]

shadowflame

[nocturne spindle]

idk sims higher for me on 5 target

[merry pier]

so the new shield

[toxic pewter]

nah primal molten defender with shadowflame patch embellishment on it

can check pins for more information

[merry pier]

thanks

[nocturne spindle]

and 3 target 447 rings win too

[merry pier]

ok

[nocturne spindle]

sorry im talking abou raht lol

not the embellishment

[merry pier]

haste vers for prog right

sorry fury main

[undone verge]

yes

crit if u wanna go dam tho

[merry pier]

ok

maybe when i recraft it

[undone verge]

but crit and verse are close for dps safer to just run verse if ur doing decently high keys

[merry pier]

it would be raid only

[undone verge]

if you can live every boss then you can run crit

[merry pier]

ok

yolo going crit

ive always been in favor of big dmg

is horn of winter bad i have it at 421

[jagged pier]

then why was Andy pushing keys on warrior last season with 10% vers and far more crit?

[daring marlin]

but muh vers

[vital arch]

A handful of verse isn’t going to save your skin ever unless you’re dropping below 5-7% in m+ there’s no way. When I die I fucking die, I don’t get tickled to death with a healer/dps doing kicks alive

[undone verge]

cause hes a good player, and people asking for advice in this channel arent going to be playing perfectly and pushing 29s

same reason I wouldnt recommend someone asking for advice on a talent build to drop indomitable for bloodborne. Top players can do end mythic bosses without indomitable, but for anyone who doesnt know the ins and outs of the spec its not the best idea

[fast knot]

The "Go to Subcreation and get the top dps build" argument

I swear to god I'll strangle some of my guildies for their talent choices on some mythic fights because they do more dps but sacrifice survivability and then die 20 seconds in

[undone verge]

dps warriors who dont take impending victory make me seethe lol

like if you live thats fine but watching you die early on like

[jagged pier]

yes i get the point but, even for ppl just starting out giving them the vers arguement it actually kinda wrong. because they cant reach any amounts of vers where its actually useful even what they are starting out

[jagged pier]

dont worry ive watched a dps warrior not use SR on 3rd boss of NLs

even when i told him where and when to use it

[undone verge]

I love when people are like 'why are you pressing SR? Theres nothing to reflect'

[jagged pier]

[fast knot]

the dunning-kruger effect wide open

[toxic pewter]

does shield block have a max duration time in regards to bolster/shield charge

anyone know how it works

[jagged pier]

3x max

• bolster time if u press bolster

[fresh igloo]

oh bolster adds beyond the normal max?

interesting

[undone verge]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

Ok so it can go beyond 30 seconds right

[jagged pier]

ye

[toxic pewter]

31 seconds

[jagged pier]

if u use bolster spell

will cap lower if u dont i believe

[undone verge]

Ive hit like 37, but I might have been higher I just didnt notice

[jagged pier]

tbh im not really paying attention to it anymore

[toxic pewter]

ive noticed shield charge caps at 24 seconds i think?

[undone verge]

3x8

[toxic pewter]

right