There's bears doing higher keys than you'll ever do
#protection
marsh locust
Right
sick sentinel
WHAT IF
sonic tangle
But he does decent damage so he gets a pass
sick sentinel
blizzard had a thing like mythic plus raid, and what i mean is only the timer, but its an extra long timer like 8 hours
marsh locust
Like this channel?
sick sentinel
and so you have 8 hours to complete the raid, and if you complete it faster than 8 hrs ,you get a reward
marsh locust
For sure.
sick sentinel
i don't mean the scaling shit or adding mechganics
no, its not bricks, you just "went over the time limit, and you can still kill the bosses, but you aint getting shit for bonus loot"
once your over the timer, its a normal raid now
sick sentinel
is a joke, but im just gunna delete anyway
leaden lion
is there any weak aura u d recommend to have ?
crude notch
yogi making up the tos on the fly
crude notch
is there any weak aura u d recommend to have ?
the ones at the top #268491842637660160 message
sick sentinel
i have one that won't update
also, there is a nice update for in wow WA functions, i can't put my finger on it but its alot nice and you can donwload an update for a WA you have from in the game via this now
daring marlin
You guys remember Being John Malkovich? I wanna experience that but in yogi's head.
That'd be sick.
toxic pewter
great film
crude notch
yogi send it to me in dms and i'll link no regerts
sick sentinel
no the strangest movie i can recall watching is called "rubber" and its about a living car tire with physic powers it uses to kill people by making vibration noises and making some kind of energy
then it rolls down street does it again
crude notch
wtf
dusky canopy
daring marlin
sick sentinel
it just showed up one day on netflix so i watched it
crude notch
"Bat-shit wonderful." man that's the kinda review i like to see
prisma crane
lmao
faint sundial
Hey guys, which are the 4 go-to tier set slots? Are we ditching the shoulders?
nocturne spindle
the 4 you can get
tropic gorge
I snagged a cool dps trinket
The chaos grapnel
That thing does a bunch of dmg
I put it in my avatar macro and whew. Pew pew
plush briar
Wait till you see the sark trinket lol
vital arch
The chaos grapnel
love this thing, doing 6% dps on my M+ runs
the chain noise make me a big happy
proud patrol
is the wowhead talent build out of date? seems to be different from pins or is it the other way around? š
dusky canopy
Use pins build if you have atleast 2pc
toxic pewter
Wait till you see the sark trinket lol
love my beacon its like launching a nuclear bomb every 2.5 minutes for over a million dam
fluid beacon
I'm not as good as you
vital arch
Fueled by violence > Brutal Vitality?
fluid beacon
Just get loot 4head
dusky canopy
Fueled by violence > Brutal Vitality?
Pretty much pick your poison
vital arch
hot dog always wanted to play with FbV
dusky canopy
Yeah but unless things changed, theyāre pretty much the same value
Did nom update?
toxic pewter
i prefer fbv once done with tier 29
astral atlas
Looks like nom's pinned talents have FbV
torn gust
hows silent star cape in keys?
torn gust
ah
astral atlas
It's also BiS because it has good stats
The cape procs every ~30 seconds on average. It needs 10 procs to trigger the stat effect
torn gust
whoa
astral atlas
That being said, it appears that the procs carry through outside of combat, and into M+
But that's degenerate, and takes ~4m30s
toxic pewter
interesting
torn gust
sick
astral atlas
Yep
astral atlas
Yeppp
dusky canopy
If anything
astral atlas
Overall, the cape is BiS because of the stats and ilvl, it's just a good cape. The effect is negligible since it's unreliable, but a nice to have
jaunty sierra
and the cheat death cape ?
jaunty sierra
it's a craft item
uneven mason
are we supposed to get something when reaching 2500
The free tier piece of you haven't gotten aotc
Or is that ksm
uneven mason
Keystone hero
toxic pewter
yah
uneven mason
Achievement, but I don't think there's any item
toxic pewter
I mean supposed to get an appearance item thing
uneven mason
How do it be sir
Wat, I wasn't on discord for like a day and y'all think I ded?
still crater
I play fury/prot pretty evenly but am looking into swapping to arms this tier. Problem is arms stats lean way too heavily into crit over mastery. Does prot do okay without all the mastery for block or am I kind of stuck on fury?
dusty monolith
any1 got a weakaura to better track last stand and t30 bonus?
mighty valley
mastery is our least favorite stat, you're gucci
dusky canopy
I play fury/prot pretty evenly but am looking into swapping to arms this tier. P...
Crit/haste is perfect for flexing Prot/arms
mighty valley
haste > crit = vers
still crater
wait since when?
mighty valley
since forever
dusky canopy
2004
still crater
D:
uneven mason
I chat when I canāt play wow
But yeah I popped on for a minute late yesterday and after hearing about the brm who was losing aggro to a war I just went to sleep
mighty valley
we have perfect block uptime through shield block
still crater
Last tier I had like 8% vers total lmao
dusky canopy
But yeah I popped on for a minute late yesterday and after hearing about the brm...
My co bear canāt hold off me on pull either unless he taunts lol
uneven mason
Even when we didn't have 100% uptime mastery was behind haste
Because compressing the rotation is important
mighty valley
ilvl is king regardless, we have no breakpoints or anything
fresh igloo
Crit/haste is perfect for flexing Prot/arms
but what if i like fury better lol
mighty valley
i'm always gonna offspec fury regardless of how bad my gear is for it
uneven mason
Just stack ilvl we actually don't give a fuck about secondaries
still crater
Raids are too deep in the single target, arms holding up fine in mythic+. Figure now is the best time to change shit up. Been on fury since legion
mighty valley
i respect it, i just can't find joy in arms
toxic pewter
haste crit prot arms king reporting for duty
uneven mason
Major CD that's applied to the target
wary spire
What enchants for weapons ?
uneven mason
Big wtf
dusky canopy
but what if i like fury better lol
Then you need haste/mastery gear to swap in and out of
fresh igloo
meh.
still crater
ToM makes it feel a lil awk for me. What do you mean I can't just use my ability as soon as it comes up? I have to watch timers? What?
It fucks with the zug zug
dusky canopy
Yeah Iām a fury enjoyer myself
I just flesh out the Prot spec and then play fury with below par stats
Itās w/e
I like arms I just hate having to use TC and IP as arms
sick sentinel
i can't be dazed from back as tank spec on mount and dismounted and killed by random nobody mobs, i think they removed that now
but that was my original reason
and que time
still crater
I like seeing my name in charts with nice colors
dusky canopy
TC is okish but then IP offensively ruins it for me
still crater
it's off gcd tho? and def better defensive than fury
dusky canopy
Yeah but thatās just it
You donāt use it defensively
You use it to boost ToM window
Witch is ass imo
dusky canopy
Iām one of those weirdos who really like skullspliter bleeds play style
Iād much rather have that back over this new style
still crater
Yeah that's true. Like I said before, ToM just makes everything feel awk. That said, feel like fury needs a rework almost as bad as hpal does, so hopefully it's around the corner
proper roost
š¤Ø in what way
still crater
I don't need 2 weapons to hurt things. Bahahaha
You don't need two, but if you can have two, why not? you can zug with two hands at once š
dusky canopy
proper roost
Anyway tbh literally cant clown on any spec rotation being easy if you main a tank
tank rotations are literally dumbed down to be braindead so you can do other mechanics and cc and shit without having to think about the rotation
especially pwar
still crater
Spec feel kind of incomplete right now. Like it's missing something. The numbers kind of add to that. It can throw some bomb ass damage in aoe, but then it's outclassed by arms in both st and aoe? I feel like the jack of all/master none thing doesn't really work in this situation. Just gives you damage more mid than a monk, despite having two 2h
dusky canopy
Laughs in brm
proper roost
brm isn't that complex, mainly because the rotation is insanely static
moreso illusion of complexity + compared to other tank specs
still crater
Just my perspective from last tier š¤·āāļø
odd tree
huh?
still crater
š
sick sentinel
odd tree
tanks just wanna have fun
crude notch
Brm is definitely not complex. Just because you have 3 offensive CDs doesn't make you a complex spec. As stated, it's core rotation is very straightforward and has the least procs to deal with as tanks so it's just press button.
urban bane
Whatās a definition of operational complexity then?
delicate forum
which 4 piece is ideal for prot?
sick sentinel
pawn says my ionized choker is better than collar from raid for neck
is that correct
sage ice
pawn says my ionized choker is better than collar from raid for neck
you should use raidbots.com or something to actually sim performance, at least from a DPS perspective. Better from a defensive perspective is going to be pretty straightforward
rustic latch
is there a good list of BIS gear this season from all sources? im trying to decide which pieces i should be crafting
final mist
Shield first, boots/belt/bracers are always good pieces to use for embellishments since they don't interfere with tier
2x Shadowflame or drop one for a Frostfire Belt for your embellishment, the others don't exist
Aside from that the only truly BiS slots you care to worry about are Forgestorm and trinkets
Check the pins for a list of stuff for thst
tawny briar
You gotta be pretty lucky for 4 piece week two. I feel pretty good having 2pc already
proper roost
week 2 4pc? hardly lucky at all
dusky canopy
Same same two full clears of normal without any tier I guess I should start doing heroic
proper roost
Just depends if you raid or not
if you raid, it is super common to have 4pc right now
think like over half my raid has it
limpid anchor
Like 80% or my guild, except heals, have it on Saturday
tawny briar
i mean, i pugged the raid both weeks, 7/9N 5/9H and only have 2pc. In guilds tank's usually don't get tier very early either form what I understand
limpid anchor
Itās really easy to get if you raid
Alone that hc and Normal donāt have a big ilvl diff is huge for gearing fast
tawny briar
I agree there
proper roost
I mean 5/9H means you missed like
tawny briar
it's super nice that getting Normal tier can be upgraded to within 4 ilvls of heroic tier
proper roost
2-3 tier bosses and sarkareth lol
and 7/9N means you missed 2 tier bosses and sark drops omnitoken
Like
Yeah ofc you would be very unlikely to have 4pc lol
toxic pewter
wat that
glass iron
earlier I said in here about some guys in my guild doing keys
that's total dungeons done this seaosn
toxic pewter
who
glass iron
my guild
limpid anchor
Season 107?
tawny briar
sark dropping omni token does make it easier
prisma crane
for those confused
number on the left is rank, number on the right is number of dungeons this season so far
limpid anchor
The dh in my guild did 60 underrot so far, 0 weapon drops :>
100 doesnāt seem that much honestly
If you donāt work
proper roost
yeah 107 is some insane neet shit
i feel like i went insane on keys these last 2 weeks and i have "only" 67 (still an insane amount kms)
dusky canopy
Yeah I used to envy that but I realized I enjoy it so much because I canāt sit and play it 24/7
delicate forum
which 4 piece is ideal for prot this season?
dusky canopy
The new one
limpid anchor
No helmet, according to sim
final mist
Consider that the average key takes ~30mins, that's 54 hours spent in keys. That doesn't include any alts they've played or time spent doing other things
Unhinged behavior
limpid anchor
Is it 30 mins tho
proper roost
30 minutes is very conservative
limpid anchor
Like, it depends on the keylevel right
limpid anchor
I need to farm some crests atm, so I chuck our +11 rots or freeholdās
That take 10-15 mins
dusky canopy
Yeah I usually get 3-5 keys a night playing 2-3 hours pugging
final mist
That's assuming the keys are roughly being timed and being done reasonably well
dusky canopy
Pugging is slow
final mist
Even at best case scenario estimates
limpid anchor
Thatās why you just join a guild
delicate forum
There's some instances where ppl leave after 2 wipe on the last boss
final mist
If you talk about bad keys or uncompleted ones and so on that number just gets higher
And we're 2 and a half weeks in
delicate forum
And you alr spent 30min in the dung, all the effort gone to waste
limpid anchor
More like 1 week and 2 days
tawny briar
where can you see total keys done like that?
toxic pewter
anyone know if the shockwave from our 4pc is uncapped aoe or na
rustic latch
which crafted shield is the best right now?
odd tree
defender
novel cloak
is monstrous glutony still the BiS m+ shield currently?
vocal nimbus
are we using LS on cooldown with the new tier?
fresh igloo
are we using LS on cooldown with the new tier?
pretty much
fresh igloo
is monstrous glutony still the BiS m+ shield currently?
i would go crafted unless you're getting a shield out of mythic raid
vocal nimbus
you can put any stat you want into craftedw items
reef rock
12 Neltharus runs, finally got my Forgestorm
astral atlas
24 on Lair waiting for the trinket because the loot table is massive
Next run is gonna be it
novel cloak
you can put any stat you want into craftedw items
yeh i understand, but i was asking if we should stack haste until 40% or if its lower or higher
astral atlas
I can find the actual number
sonic path
What are some good trinkets for us atm ?
novel cloak
ty buddy
fresh igloo
What are some good trinkets for us atm ?
pins has some examples
sonic path
Ah im blind thanks
graceful mason
Do you guys last stand right away with the opener or wait until the CD buttons are hit and last stand before your first shield slap
loud wave
Just dropped for me from +17 so I can upgrade it to 441 ! Haven't been happier with loot for years in this game!
graceful mason
Ie rage cycle faster for avatar or maximize slams/last stand recharge
crude notch
username change stuff is starting. godspeed friends, i hope you get the username you want
astral atlas
Do you guys last stand right away with the opener or wait until the CD buttons a...
You send LS off cooldown
graceful mason
Yes obviously
But the opener is the edge case
Since you're hitting non shield slam buttons
As they're higher dam per click
crude notch
Should I boost this server so I can pretend I'm a knowledgeable person?
graceful mason
So the extra rage from LS to cycle avatar
Or wait and cycle LS faster while you're slamming
That's why I'm asking
The extra rage from LS during non slam abilities
Vs waiting and getting more value out of set
While you are slamming
Yup
graceful mason
It's not much but whatever I'm going to try to play best I can
subtle oracle
Is the 4pc a noticeable amount of extra damage for m+?
bitter herald
rip, assumed from how it was in mage disc
pure hare
is war damage really that bad compared to other tanks right now?
nocturne spindle
god
bitter herald
old fire ring is that good huh
bitter herald
yeah was assuming from freezing stone
chilly brook
As they're higher dam per click
Outside of like dragon roar what is higher dam per hit than shield slam?
novel cloak
anyone running bolster for m+?
chilly brook
Opportunity cost of not pressing shield slam on CD is higher than delaying something like Dragon Roar 1gcd
sudden sable
anyone running bolster for m+?
Everyone with new 2pc or more
daring marlin
I love all the dunning-kruger in m+
cross bridge after first boss in Freehold, ranged stand in duelist dash despite me pulling both of those packs right there "we had nowhere to go bro"
???
room temp IQ
woven perch
freezing point iq
fast knot
My ranged like aiming that shit at me while trying to organize the three packs of bullshit the goombas decided to pull
sick sentinel
im going to revert ? not the reight word, use "lair" to refer to the legion dungeon
since we got, netharions lair and neltharus
proud kestrel
assuming the aoe dmg from "earthen tenacity" (4pc effect after last stand runs out) is uncapped. do we prio SS over TC on aoe even during avatar?
still crater
Does anyone know how well shadowed impact buckler compares to other embellishments? Kind of curious why I don't even see it mentioned in guides for shield users
fresh igloo
because it's not good
still crater
I mean I gather that much but how bad is it? 2%? 10%? I need bloodmallet to add embellishments lol
still crater
holy fuck
wraith hemlock
I mean the tooltip already makes ot seem awful
still crater
So expect massive buffs which then make us change embellishments entirely lol
wraith hemlock
Damage is split
urban bane
I wouldnt expect buffs
wraith hemlock
And doesn't increase per target count
I highly doubt they will buff embellishments again... At least until 10.1.5
still crater
Damage is split
Splitting damage isn't bad if there's enough of it? Beacon and grieftorch did and they're still two of the strongest trinkets we've had..
still crater
And doesn't increase per target count
ah, that's fair
still crater
they both do. I didn't notice it didn't increase damage
beacon is the new one from sark
wraith hemlock
And if the procs for stacks has an internal cd it might make ir fall behind even more
still crater
that crits for 1.5m
wraith hemlock
So even if you do a gigapull it might proc just as much as it does with 5 mobs
But I'm unsure how it works because it was said to be very bad
So I havent bothered to check the intrinsec tech behind it
still crater
yeah that makes sense. I can't imagine they'd leave it in the shitter for too long. Considering literally no one is using it, I imagine it'll be buffed faster than frostfire belt was
final mist
yeah that makes sense. I can't imagine they'd leave it in the shitter for too lo...
Don't expect buffs for bad things just because no one is using them
It's quite possible it'll just stay in the dirt the rest of the expansion - the other shield embellishments weren't touched at all during the last round of changes and those weren't used much either
still crater
Fair enough
thin silo
The new alloy is such a pain in the ass to craft I kinda hope it stays dogshit
warm plinth
Splitting damage isn't bad if there's enough of it? Beacon and grieftorch did an...
I'm assuming you meant boon? Since beacon is this season, not last. Also grieftorch didn't split damage. It did single target with a chance to hit additional targets. And boon was fully uncapped and did not split.
Beacon is good because it's a metric fuck ton of damage though; that's true.
fresh igloo
no i think they meant beacon. both s1 and s2 referenced in that one statement.
warm plinth
Yeah just the way he worded it made me think maybe he meant boon but you're probably right
obsidian rampart
do you have some advice for tanking experience in MM ? i m melting so hard
warm plinth
Press buttons properly is the short answer. Provide logs is the long answer
obsidian rampart
astral atlas
Press buttons properly is the short answer. Provide logs is the long answer
The short answer is longer than the long answer smh
warm plinth
Well, keeping in mind that I'm not familiar with the fight beyond Mythic, is there a reason you explode the infused strikes at higher stacks later in the fight? Also given that that's required, you are not managing CDs properly. At your highest stack point, the only defensives you had active were demo shout for some of it and SR for the other portion. Could have at least used defensive stance as well, but optimally would've held a CD for the higher stacks.
er, beyond Normal I meant*
You also had about 22% of the physical portion of the strike not blocked which is significant considering it's the tank mechanic
sonic path
Are tank trinkets any good, got the Treemouths Splinter and hard to gage if its worth it over a dps trinket
warm plinth
Defensive trinkets are rarely needed, so DPS trinkets are generally preferred.
But treemouth's trinket isn't terrible
limpid ruin
Wasted rage is also really high. Itās more of a general throughput consideration but low single digit wasted is pretty easily achievable
vocal nimbus
rare trinket from 1st boss any good?
fresh igloo
is that the screaming dragonscale one
vocal nimbus
it aint listed tho :c
crude notch
because it's not bis
warm plinth
Probably because it requires you to move for the on-use, which isn't always convenient as a tank
crude notch
it aint listed tho :c
pretty good and bis are two different things.
novel cloak
last pack with magnetic field before final boss on vortex pinnacle, are you guys CCing? just got fucking wrecked by tha pack
fresh igloo
Probably because it requires you to move for the on-use, which isn't always conv...
you actually have to be in air for the on use effect
i think people might mostly just use the passive proc?
warm plinth
Yeah, which is still solid
fresh igloo
don't have one yet to see if you can heroic leap out of it or something
warm plinth
Oh, yeah I didn't realize it was a falling type thing
crude notch
last pack with magnetic field before final boss on vortex pinnacle, are you guys...
nope just CDs
warm plinth
So you probably just don't use the on-use at all
Be absolutely sure you have block up for the sure strikes; they will push your shit in if you don't
vocal nimbus
last pack with magnetic field before final boss on vortex pinnacle, are you guys...
iirc you cant cc the adds that slam
granite pond
You can cc the two side ones which helps a bit for the healers and dps taking extra damage but beyond that itās just interrupt the rally casts, hide from lightning lash, and dps/hps your butts off
warm plinth
Yeah kicking rally is very important as well
fresh igloo
is this the last pack in vortex pinnacle
still crater
Yeah just the way he worded it made me think maybe he meant boon but you're prob...
Nah I meant beacon. As for grief, I thought when it hit the additional target the damage that would have hit target 1 was split to target 2. My mistake if that's not what was happening
fresh igloo
tried to cc one and it broke as soon as I pulled, not sure if there's some ability that went off
astral atlas
Yeah, which is still solid
You're solid
sick sentinel
does LFR count for raid quest, barring final boss of current not being out (in lfr)
my raiding history is weak
atomic inlet
hey guys i have a question wich im despreate for answer
where can i find the best route possible for dungens?
im really confused cause there is a lot of them and like to know wich site/person does the best
i used quazi routes by i kinda feel like its not good i have a team with rouge want to know the best possible route to get best time
cloud umbra
Best way is to make your own tailored to your group. Reloe does routes on wago as well
zenith briar
does LFR count for raid quest, barring final boss of current not being out (in l...
I believe so
atomic inlet
Best way is to make your own tailored to your group. Reloe does routes on wago a...
is relos route good? i dont know the guy
warm plinth
He's the one that made this WA: http://www.wago.io/M+Timer
sick sentinel
i thought that said somethin els
undone verge
I make routes by pulling till I die or the group dies then thatās how big I can pull
sick sentinel
learn by doing if i don't have a route
hold W till something (hopefully not us) dies
atomic inlet
i thought that said somethin els
that way i ruin peaople keys and i dont like that
like to have good reputation
chrome falcon
4pc gamers: what % is the 4pc of your damage at the end of a key
for me it seems to be 5-6% but i'm not playing around it at all yet
mortal brook
this any good? doesnt seem to have strength on it =/
chrome falcon
you can never be sure who's legit and who's memeing in skyhold
but no it's dogshit vendor it
glacial skiff
So with pocket anvil are you all macroing it to shield slam? I had it macroād to shield charge but donāt like the delay with itās half second cast
granite pond
Awful, trade it to me
mortal brook
only vendors for 112g, idk
chrome falcon
So with pocket anvil are you all macroing it to shield slam? I had it macroād to...
you can get melee'd in that shit
i got globalled by it in a key
just put it on a bind
glacial skiff
Really? Thatās troll. I need to get of of it then lmao.
sick sentinel
i have a feeling im gunna get blown up in this key
warm plinth
It's half a second. We used grieftorch last season and that was a 2 second channel lol
sick sentinel
air crap is usually classed as magic damage and can hit for extremely high (pokemon as example)
chrome falcon
sure
but if you bind it to shield slam
you're gonna use it in the half second 2 mobs with 6 stacks of bolstering both use a blockable tank buster
and instead of doing 5% of your health bar you get deleted
so i wouldn't recommend binding it to shield slam
mighty valley
i think we should all press all our buttons on purpose
slender terrace
why prot warrior worst tank now š¦
limpid anchor
Always was
weary python
why prot warrior worst tank now š¦
slender terrace
according to the questionable subcreation, we are
mighty valley
subcreation is a popularity contest
mighty valley
exactly, popularity contests are ALWAYS correct
dusky canopy
freakin steave
coming in here flexing on us
like he doesnt know that shit is bis
LOL
toxic pewter
Yeah warr actually wanted badly for rally
chrome falcon
but our ST damage is blech
limpid anchor
Okay so is the dmg / heal buff from monk. But ww dmg is shit while fury is good. Why take pwar ?
toxic pewter
honestly if they just buffed execute or somethin
our dam would be better and more fun
limpid anchor
Itās not about damage
toxic pewter
?
chrome falcon
r1 warrior on first boss is legit 20k lower than r1 paladin
first boss irrelevant obviously but like every boss in this raid is patchwerk
limpid anchor
Yea but thatās not why pwar is bad
toxic pewter
? pwarr isnt bad tho
chrome falcon
saying our survivability is way worse than pally is cap
limpid anchor
Well, it is
chrome falcon
what is killing you in mythic raid
limpid anchor
Magic damage
chrome falcon
specifically
limpid anchor
Big magic damage
Like whole zskarn fight and roshok
Tbf we are not their yet on mythic
But it already sucks on hc
shut summit
rashok is fine on mythic, you only die if other tank fucks up really
chrome falcon
^ we have plenty of CDs to handle rashok
zskarn seems pretty fucking horrifying i won't lie about that
dusky canopy
would you guys just run like a eggnog or dath build until you get 2pc?
maybe for magmorax do like a terros build
chrome falcon
what in gods name are you talking about
chrome falcon
i still have no idea what the fuck the question is
limpid anchor
And almost bosses are just st anway
dusky canopy
yeah true thats why I was asking what other people did before 2pc
quasi lintel
Am i literally looking for the most dps output when I sim myself?
seems counterintuitive as a tank
dusky canopy
yes that is the purpose
quasi lintel
wouldnt I lose survivability?
chrome falcon
kill stuff faster = take less damage
dusky canopy
@quasi lintel Prot war gets more defense by being offensive if that makes sense
and X stat wont make you live
chrome falcon
^
dusky canopy
so you just sim to get the most damage
mighty valley
it's also just... there's no useful way to sim for "survivability"
dusky canopy
true
mighty valley
damage intake scenarios are just too varied
anyway i see we have already entered the era of "if we're not the consensus best tank doesn't that mean we're useless"
chrome falcon
yeah i mean we're clearly still somewhere between "fine" and "good"
dusky canopy
nothing has ever stopped me from doing the high end content
chrome falcon
but it does feel pretty shitty that optimal play for us is still like 15k+ behind optimal play for paladin
on single target which is the whole raid
dusky canopy
Thanks to the bug fix and no compensation buffs
chrome falcon
bug fix?
dusky canopy
Battering Ram
mighty valley
did that actually get fixed
dusky canopy
yes
mighty valley
i didn't catch that
chrome falcon
elaborate? not sure what you're referring to
mighty valley
battering ram says it grants 20% crit damage to SC
dusky canopy
Battering Ram used to buff all crit damage
mighty valley
it was giving us 20% crit damage to... everything
chrome falcon
lmao???
chrome falcon
when did that get fixed what the fuck
dusky canopy
10.1
chrome falcon
LMAO
quasi lintel
sadge\
dusky canopy
yeah im honestly suprised they didnt give us any ST compensation
i mean clearly
15 whole ass K behind
Reeee
dusky canopy
Paladin is just getting away with murder right now
cant believe it lasted this long
dusky canopy
fair and true point
mortal spruce
Hey guys I would've like to ask a quick question !
Just coming to WoW on my prot after a few season off
And I'm having issues on like 15/16 keys this week(I'm 414 ILVL, no 2/4P from either S1 or S2, with around 5% vers)
I did a 16 FH earlier, and mobs especially the ones after the second boss would just destroy with with " melees " attacks even tho' I have shield block on, is it gear issue, Am I eventually doing things wrong ?
Thanks in advance
mortal spruce
Yeah sure sorry; I was more looking to ask if I was just a bit undergear or maybe playing badly
around 97%~
fresh igloo
bolstering?
mortal spruce
y
torn gulch
You can't detect if someone is playing bad without a log
fresh igloo
if you're not managing bolstering well and you're a bit under geared
that could be rough.
viral elk
why do people like this? you get 62 secondarys from others, seems SMOL
torn gulch
You're gonna get smacked this week on bolstering, with freehold pulls being big
torn gulch
why do people like this? you get 62 secondarys from others, seems SMOL
because of the 529 secondary stats
torn gulch
if you choose haste you get a little bit over 3% haste with 100% uptime
plus extra stats from others
that is good
viral elk
I feel like 62 doesn't make much of an effect. My 415 blazebinder gives same haste with dmg and strength on use
mortal spruce
I see thank you
Well sometimes on the G49-G51 packs after second boss I would just get destroyed on pull, like 5sec into the fight, after avatar and SB activated but yeah I guess that's me
Thanks
viral elk
that's fair, just didn't know how others felt
torn gulch
it's a very good passive trinket
chrome falcon
if you turned all your crit and vers into haste it might "feel" better
because pressing buttons feels good
viral elk
you guys feeling feelings about me using the word feelings
torn gulch
feelsception
chrome falcon
no i'm just saying that when you're judging what's numerically best in a game with a shitload of stuff going on
don't use how it feels
torn gulch
because a lot of the time that is placebo
viral elk
don't use how it feels
fair, thank you
torn gulch
a lot of the time when people say it feels better or worse with item x or item y it is placebo
basically
chrome falcon
like honestly you could wake up tomorrow and have 500 of every secondary
fresh igloo
well, "feel" is important
chrome falcon
just given to your character to free
daring marlin
uh whoops
chrome falcon
and you wouldn't notice
fresh igloo
but it's not relevant to min/max
chrome falcon
if i didn't tell you
chrome falcon
gaming
visual moat
yo, does raidbots best gear sim account for set bonuses?
fresh igloo
top gear does include set bonuses, yes.
visual moat
awesome, ty
daring marlin
@strong forum BH is still fun to pull big this week.
Just have a massive SPriest pumper. nbd
pallid quiver
and you wouldn't notice
bold of you to assume I don't religiously check my stat numbers every day for validation
dense coral
yoyo. for what ilvl you change the onyx amulet (ring) Have a 428 hero 1/5 ring now - gues its time to replace it right š
plush ore
Hoping this is the place to ask, how are other people finding Heroic Rashok in Aberrus? Me and the other tank in my raid group are having a really tough time with timing the tank swaps during his combo. We could kind of manage until after the first time you pull him into the middle of the room and then generally wiped soon after that.
Does anybody have any advice or strategies specifically for tanking that encounter? It feels like I am missing something, but all the online guides don;t really mention much beyond knowing that getting hit by the same attack twice will wipe you, which we know, it's just getting the timing right as that combo hits very fast.
Thanks in advance!
pallid quiver
yoyo. for what ilvl you change the onyx amulet (ring) Have a 428 hero 1/5 ring ...
Unless things have changed, Annulet is BIS for ST entirely
It may start to lose out in AOE when you get near the absolute top end of equipment available atm while playing well, but you can sim for that. Overall, they really wanted you to use that ring so much it carried over into next patch
dense coral
Okay thanks for the feedback š
astral atlas
FYI
You can spell reflect basically everything
on M Amalgamation
It's beautiful
heady stratus
I told him to change his ring . Problem solved
calm thunder
Guys, besides the weapon and the shield, what else should I forge?
warm plinth
I told him to change his ring . Problem solved
Well, the ring is definitely not his only problem, but I guess it helped a little. BrM should be blowing you out of the water with damage though. If anything you should be having trouble keeping it off him, not the other way around.
dense coral
Guys, besides the weapon and the shield, what else should I forge?
frostfire belt still good
fresh igloo
it's ok
granite pond
Hoping this is the place to ask, how are other people finding Heroic Rashok in A...
Honestly that really is all the advice - taunt well. Unless youāre dying to the damage or something then itās a matter of rolling cooldowns. But if the taunt swap is the issue then you just need to practice it.
Rashok will instantly turn on taunt you either hit it right away in second cast if itās the same as first, or right away on third cast
hollow hill
What's the best point to use spell block on Sarkareth? Just on CD from start or save it for P3?
plush ore
Thanks so much for that!
viral elk
does spell block mitigate dot damage on forgotten experiments?
warm plinth
the dot is a bleed isn't it? Mutilation?
viral elk
infused strikes dot
warm plinth
No
vocal verge
How are you all dealing with the basilisk bleed in Uldaman? Just did a 18 and if the bleed goes past 1 stack I fall over and die. Even with cds it hurts and there is a 3 pack of them.
Bleeds do suck obviously but I donāt see myself being able to push that dungeon higher.
tawny briar
U can stun the bleed cast I think. People have been saying u can back step the bleeds too. Haven't tested it on the basilisks but it works on the custodians. They'll recast but u can just keep doing it
vocal verge
Yeah the custodians are just a little dance you do with them essentially. Iām going to have to watch some high keys from a warrior pov for the basilisk
turbid shuttle
just backstep the bleed pretty sure
it's not as short as hew from hov last season, but it's not super long
warm plinth
Hmm. Going by spell data I'm not sure it'd be as easy to do that with the basilisks. All of the bleeds/abilities you can backstep are 1.5 sec cast. Chomp is only 1 second. Maybe I'm wrong though idk.
vital arch
I was having issues back stepping that one today, but was able too on the nelth trash I got tips on today here
warm plinth
Which nelth trash
vital arch
drawing a blank but itās in the first pull
fresh igloo
blazing slash?
vital arch
Yeah blazing slash off the wardens
warm plinth
I feel like that one would be similar to the basilisk. Same range, same 1 sec cast time.
At this point, Sense is gonna have to change the spreadsheet to be the block/reflect/backstep sheet
vital arch
yeah, Iām sure itās just a bolstering issues scaling with bleed dot stacks always gunna be an oof right? Maybe I wasnāt able to avoid them
warm plinth
Yeah, it's basically going to be bad. But it is also a tuning problem. They might need to make them cast it less often or not stack or something
shut wing
is battle scarred veteran still bugged
or is it just working as intendexd
at this point
hallow phoenix
bugged as intended
astral crystal
You're gonna get smacked this week on bolstering, with freehold pulls being big
the freehold problem isnt even tank damage
it's bolstered officers screaming new assholes into everyone
shut wing
spell block blocks indirect aoe damage yeah?
astral crystal
ace name
errant ledge
Any warriors having issues enchanting Shadowflame Wreath on their forgestorm?
mortal brook
are you at the incantation table?
errant ledge
Is that the enchanter area?
mortal brook
at the Fyrakk Assault
errant ledge
I have not, I will try that thank you
mortal brook
circle around, look for incantation table
warm plinth
spell block blocks indirect aoe damage yeah?
Check the reflect spreadsheet in the pins. It will tell you everything that it can block. There is no catch-all category for it.
Or in the FAQ; might not be in the pins anymore
frozen berry
is mutated magmammoth scale any good for m+?
fresh igloo
Seemed not great in my Sims. Depends on what you are comparing to tho.
round socket
if money wasnt an issue and you had well fed buff on your shield, would you replace it this week with shadowflame patch? just curious what others think.
warm plinth
What's stopping you from just making another piece and putting patch on that?
fresh igloo
Craft Wrists/boots/belt/shield with shadowflame x2 and flavor pocket
round socket
@warm plinth because my next spark is 2 weeks out?
ive currently got frostfire belt and molten defneder crafted
warm plinth
Your call š¤· I wouldn't because I can just fix it in a couple weeks
fresh igloo
ive currently got frostfire belt and molten defneder crafted
What's your old embellishments from s1
round socket
Food
fresh igloo
.... just that?
crude notch
Additionally, having players capped on a given tier of crest getting the next tier down as fallback rewards is under discussion.
@warm plinth
toxic pewter
I hope they implement that soon
crude notch
It likely wouldn't be this season, would be my guess.
lusty karma
Thoughts on Ward of Faceless Ire? I have 415 Whetstone, saw it's A rank for defensive, wondering if worth for m+ or if I should give to healer
crude notch
It's good if you are doing content where you need to save someone else, otherwise not really.
lusty karma
Awesome I think I'll give to healer then, ty!
warm plinth
> Additionally, having players capped on a given tier of crest getting the next ...
Yeah I saw that; fingeres crossed lol
crude notch
yep
daring marlin
got all my portals now tho
I guess I can start getting them on my Warrior now.
NL trash is pretty easy now.
scenic mural
So how were people doing that torghast cheese to kill mythic bosses? I just wanna solo mythic sepulcherš
daring marlin
need friends to summon you, presumably
viral elk
anyone know an easy way to trick the stealth mobs in HoI to come out of stealth?
lusty grotto
without a hunter you mean
viral elk
without a hunter you mean
yar
lusty grotto
gotta spam aoes basically
ravager kind of works, and you kinda get a feel of positioning, or just send someone else 1st
but other than that, i have no idea
need to try
i havent yet
probably doesnt work but then again.... we had some creative approaches to naraxus and they worked
with like vanilla items
pre-nerf i mean
viral elk
got ravager on one, shocking disclosure I figured too.
viral elk
need to try
willing to try this
crude notch
It's really just learn the spot and press thunderclap
silver jungle
or demo shout
lusty grotto
idk about demo shout, i guess it works for mid pack before the caster dude and the other guy
would be a waste otherwise
turbid hemlock
Is fueled by violence better than Brutal Vitality on keys?
turbid hemlock
Hmm i see
lusty grotto
swap asap you get some tier for sure
glass iron
Does 1hder fully upgraded and 2hder fully upgraded = free shield no crests , does anyone know ?
turbid hemlock
on details of heling seems like its not too much the healing but i think its ok?
astral atlas
Cleared heroic again, not a SINGLE Zenith tier dropped
turbid hemlock
swap asap you get some tier for sure
I already got the 4p
lusty grotto
yeah use it then
light apex
yoo, this new season, I have decided to change to be Main warrior prot, I have not done badly, but I feel that my damage is somewhat behind in M+, and I feel that I am doing something wrong, I am looking for tip in case anyone It has one
glass iron
Battle stance more
pallid quiver
press your buttons, use cds on cd
without logs we can't really say much, tbh
fresh igloo
shield slam more, thunderclap more, revenge more.
keep shield block up (more damage on shield slam)
silver jungle
full rage bar bad keep that thing going like a yoyo for damage
lusty grotto
learn to use VO
light apex
learn to use VO
vo?
pallid quiver
Violent Outburst
lusty grotto
^
pallid quiver
That talent that builds up and then you spend on either Shield Slam or T Clap
It is almost always sent on Shield Slam; the only time you don't is if you're specifically looking for only damage on some real big AOE
lusty grotto
5 targets or more
lusty grotto
well
pallid quiver
it's probably bumped to more targets with 2p
pallid quiver
And even then, also depends if Avatar is up or not
not that i fuss over that since i still prefer the prio damage even in most AOE so slam away
lusty grotto
lol
potent gulch
we did it on normal
astral atlas
This appears to be the best
lusty grotto
vdh is slapping with tier
potent gulch
no healer comp. ;O
potent gulch
vdh is slapping with tier
but sims says they shouldn't slap that hard
lusty grotto
didnt the guys that abused torghast get banned?
astral atlas
Yes
pallid quiver
While you could, it's not something we actual track
IP's maintenance is handled just by doing your rotation. In fact, you'll spend rage often to overcap its absorb
lusty grotto
your main mitigation is shield block not ignore pain
hardy snow
but sims says they shouldn't slap that hard
sims are just sims
pallid quiver
It's like having a tracker for how many times you breathe in through your left nostril
you could track that
but why
hardy snow
tracking this can be useful in raid if you want to prepare for tank buster
pallid quiver
or you just do this wild thing known as pressing the button a few times before the tank buster
glass iron
What why would you not have an ignore pain bar
pallid quiver
Read the prior
pallid quiver
It's not, because it's not our mitigation tool
They should instead focus on shield block
glass iron
If theyāre new thereās nothing wrong Iām doing 21-22s (not to brag but at least the key hurts ) and I have an ignore pain tracker
pallid quiver
because i'm looking at the mobs with shield block up, which mitgates the main form of damage intake in the game
pallid quiver
Can't believe I'm getting laughed out by someone doing godlike keys of 21 level smh
glass iron
I can send you a ignore pain tracker if you DM mate if you want one or probably one on wowhead
Youāre getting laughed out by someone whoās defending you being toxic to a new player for no reason end of š
pallid quiver
The only person I'm remotely toxic to is you.
warm plinth
Can you point out where he's being toxic to the guy? š¤
glass iron
The nostril comment
Why is that needed lmao
Could of just been nice
Or not said anything if you donāt like tracking it personally
warm plinth
That wasn't toxic...it was a simile for why it's pointless to track. There was nothing mean about it at all.
glass iron
Lol
warm plinth
And tracking IP actually is useless.
glass iron
Good ol class discord cults
pallid quiver
See, if I wanted a mean similie, I could do something like "your overall comments are like shit in the toilet; worthless to keep around"
warm plinth
There's this button if you have a problem with us correcting you.
glass iron
Lmao
vagrant gazelle
can anyone tell me where prot is on dmg scale in m+ rn? im 434 and doing around 56-59k are other tanks doing better?
pallid quiver
I don't have specific numbers tied to specific ilvl offhand, but Prot War is like, flat-out middle of the pack
P Pal is wilding out on damage, and things like BDK are not so wilding out
jagged pier
can anyone tell me where prot is on dmg scale in m+ rn? im 434 and doing around ...
u should be doing about 20-30k more damage at that ilvl
and we are behind druid and paladin
potent gulch
and we are behind druid and paladin
and veng 
warm plinth
Well, if you don't breathe, you die, and then you still don't need an IP tracker.
warm plinth
I have my moments
potent gulch
and brew actually
there is always one red guy covering our back.......
potent gulch
that SC fix really hrt us
give back š
pallid quiver
Meanwhile, the bug fix will continue to not be my problem
Not as long as my computer keeps looking at me booting up a game and Windows deciding that means it's time for all USB devices to turn off
send help
I mean, feel free to. We won't stop you, but people will question why you're cluttering your ui if you post any screenshots
As long as you keep SB up and press CDs on CD, you'll be fine performance wise, so whatever else you need/want, go nuts on
earnest haven
Is sporecloak worth crafting or give it a miss?
jagged pier
not woorth
tight gull
i have to much hast right ? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/dalaran/elikopter where will dump some of that ?
restive socket
Looking at the guides section, it says that we should apply the shadowflame embellishment to wrist, belt or boots. Is there a reason why we're not applying it to a shield?
jagged pier
u can put it on shield
restive socket
is it more beneficial to have it on those slots instead of a shield or it makes no difference?
as in, getting a raid shield later on and things like that
jagged pier
are u likely to get the shield from echo of nelarion on mythic?
restive socket
probably not for a long time, if at all
jagged pier
then it makes no difference
restive socket
I see your point, thanks!
odd nimbus
last boss p3.when you get the tank debuff ,you soak those stars that fall from sky or stand in those blue shit under rocks and go to shadow realm?what is the timing?you can go immediately?
odd nimbus
in hc right?
odd nimbus
ok thanks
crimson hornet
i did read that thanks, since second item is much more flexible i was interessted in general feedback
sleek current
Personally, I went with double patch because I can't be arsed to go collect a frost soul and whatever the other one was.
hardy snow
i did read that thanks, since second item is much more flexible i was interesste...
well, info in pins is exactly that, general advice
crimson hornet
well, info in pins is exactly that, general advice
thanks man, much appreciate it
crimson hornet
Personally, I went with double patch because I can't be arsed to go collect a fr...
belt looks nice, crit mastery tho
wary spire
It doesn't take long at all to get the souls
sleek current
It doesn't take long at all to get the souls
I know. I can't be arsed though. I've got other games to play mate. Don't underestimate my desire to do as little as possible.
wary spire
Fair enough
sleek current
belt looks nice, crit mastery tho
I put my second patch on my belt and if I feel like it later I can switch to the belt with minimal fuss then. š
cold zealot
If anyone is looking for a weakaura to see the T30 4set buff, i made a small one.
https://wago.io/XqR5uTHmM
novel cloak
I use an IP tracker all the time and find it extremely useful. Here is how it looks:
It shows Rage, minimum rage needed for an IP, how much the IP will absorb (orange bar) and shield block time remaining.
All credit goes to Luxthos and his amazing warrior weakaura set.
calm mantle
Hi, I'm starting to learn to play a warrior tank, what I should know about holding aggro well and using defensive spells correctly ?
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
Hi ily.
novel cloak
Here, he has them for every class and they are superb. However, i just strip this one module out of the WA set as i dont need the other stuff.
ionic fern
No, i'm just curious why?
novel cloak
Min/max
ionic fern
WHy would i be upset by something that doesn't affect me.
š
People like things due to reasons.
warm plinth
What does that have to do with anything š¤
novel cloak
it can help with rage management in my experience
warm plinth
Mwahi I might go to Blizzcon
novel cloak
i use it all the time
warm plinth
The first time š
warm plinth
I'll get you a souvenir
ionic fern
warm plinth
Shipping to Estonia can't be too expensive can it
ionic fern
What ever floats your boat buddy.
ionic fern
Shipping to Estonia can't be too expensive can it
I'm fairly sure it is.
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure you think we're bothered about 1000x more than we actually are.
novel cloak
Who is that in your discord avatar buddy?
warm plinth
You're an actual troll, go away
ionic fern
Are you okay or?
I just said that i was just being curious to your reasoning. If you act like a child you'll get timedout like a child.
warm plinth
You're imagining something that isn't happening here.
ionic fern
Now, where was i.
I was checking some parts from US for my bike since they were way less expensive there.
warm plinth
I'm about to google how much it costs to ship to Estonia
ionic fern
but the shipping was stupidly high.
jagged pier
did i miss popcorn?
ionic fern
No, just a moron.
warm plinth
Ehhh not that bad
ionic fern
Someone wanting to track IP and when asked what's the reasoning (after being provided the tools to track IP) just for the sake of curiosity went on about how people are elitists etc.
warm plinth
$98 yeah
ionic fern
"Not that bad".
warm plinth
Not as much as I thought it would be lol
ionic fern
God damn americans.
That's why i've usually ended up just buying locally cause the shipping cost is just huuuuge.
jagged pier
Someone wanting to track IP and when asked what's the reasoning (after being pro...
oh i read that this morning I have one had it since legion and cba to get rid of it i dont even look at it
crimson hornet
so, why wouldnāt you track IP? I thought thatās a given
jagged pier
its something u ont pay attention to at all
out side of very very nich scenarios
like i think last time u actually needed to look at it was pre nerf jailer for the bomb explosions
novel cloak
But everyone still tracks it š
jagged pier
well everyone sees the tops guys using it, even tho they 100% arent paying attention to it and dont use it
and then think its something they need
your not hurting anyone by having it
and if u want one go ahead
is it something we activly should be looking at?
no not really
like when i watch 'top warrior streamers'
crimson hornet
i just picked up protection this season. I tried to always have it up with shield block and for that I used a tracker. Maybe I will read the guide again š
jagged pier
they ocasionally die and think oh i didnt have IP
up
when they did
and then they cant even check any of it anyway because they dont log for some reason
jagged pier
i just picked up protection this season. I tried to always have it up with shiel...
but its up by default anyway if your play correctly
so its pointless
its not something u actively have to try and have
its up all the time anyway
crimson hornet
because you get it from dmg dealt?
jagged pier
no because if you play correctly your generating alot of rage anyway
and u need to dump it some where
ionic fern
There is NOTHING wrong with tracking IP.
If you play it well you will have it up for the majority of times anyways. And the only time you're actively looking to min-max it is when you are about to take a huge nuke from some boss or something.
It's just that actively focusing on tracking IP, especially if you don't understand the purpose of IP, is wasted.
crimson hornet
no because if you play correctly your generating alot of rage anyway
outside of offensive CDs I feel sometimes like I donāt generate enough rage