i crafted neck
#protection
hard vine
wich one m8
hard vine
oh y i i see some dudes with it
and what about mastery
?
with some pieces i chaged, i got a bunch of mastery, is it good for us prot's?
lime urchin
Don’t worry about stats amigo, pick ilvl and then haste
flat trout
Guys which tier piece is prot dropping ?
proven spear
Hey folks
would you upgrade this, or craft an 437 sword by craftingorder with haste vers?
thorny stone
neither, i would farm forgestorm
remote venture
I am reading the wowhead guide about HoI and read this "Sidestep the Oceanic Breath frontal coming from Glacial Proto-Dragon"
So the tank can also sidestep this?
jagged pier
U can out range it
proven spear
neither, i would farm forgestorm
is it that good?
remote venture
U can out range it
okey, thanks1
novel cloak
neither, i would farm forgestorm
is forgestorm current BiS then?
dense hound
thorny stone
is it that good?
i would rather have a 437 forgestorm than a 447 crafted weapon
covert topaz
Does anyone have a macro for the new Defensive trinket Ward of faceless ire, so that if I have a target it will go on them, otherwise self cast?
iron cosmos
raven zealot
sorry to reply to you but on the topic of stats do you think its bad to gem and enchant mastery? i want to be able to play fury with somewhat right stats every now and then but i cant play enough to get 2 full sets
hardy snow
Guys which tier piece is prot dropping ?
the one with lowest ilvl
hardy snow
Hey folks
would you upgrade this, or craft an 437 sword by craftingorder with ha...
you can upgrade this wep, if you have also higher ilvl shield you will be able to upgrade new wep (for example forgestorm) for free then
novel cloak
does anyone know which RP event it is this week in freehold please?
warm plinth
sorry to reply to you but on the topic of stats do you think its bad to gem and ...
Any other stat would be better to gem/enchant than mastery. It's not going to kill you, but ideally you'd pick something else.
warm plinth
does anyone know which RP event it is this week in freehold please?
There is no such thing anymore.
novel cloak
oh right! i did wonder if i missed it last week cos i only ran it once. ty
warm plinth
At least, not in Mythic+
proud patrol
any tips on playing the jagged disc mobs in neltharions lair? my group is just always getting fucked by that - i keep trying to pull them into LoS but it doesnt work most times
novel cloak
the bosses sitll rotate though right?
warm plinth
They do not
It's always Eudora and Raoul
They changed it because the weeks were too uneven with the rotation.
sick sentinel
yogi agent of chaos sayeth: entangling dont do fuck all it seems
needs to be "buffed"
warm plinth
It doesn't need to be buffed. It's exactly what it should be. A minor nuisance with counterplay
sick sentinel
i barely noticed it let alone saw it
if i didnt have a timer for it, i wouldnt even realize it was a thing
warm plinth
yeah until you lose track of it in the middle of a pull and get stunned
tawdry spade
you'll notice it when it procs as you're running away from some one shot mechanic
raven zealot
you'll notice it when it procs when you're hiding in the pyramid on last boss of vp
tawdry spade
oh man
sick sentinel
i made that neltharions lair run way more cringe than it had to be, i got 407 rogue then 416 and 418 paladin and dk i think, and then i took first healear i saw 400 sham
i wasn't 100% certian, so pulled bearishly, undercount it hink was what the ealer was sayin
and i've still got many many questions about how stuff in that dungeon works, i don't get the pillar on final boss for instance and worm bosses are always confusing to me
I expect the same or similiar results for dungeons i'm still not positive on how they work.
tawdry spade
last boss you gotta turn him so that on the boss' left is the pillar
so that the add spawns on the pillar
young sapphire
proven spear
you can upgrade this wep, if you have also higher ilvl shield you will be able t...
what does it mean? for free? i currently got a 437 shield
hardy snow
what does it mean? for free? i currently got a 437 shield
if you have specific slot upgraded to certain level (lets say 437), you dont need crests to upgrade another item in that slot up to this particular ilvl
for weapons unforutanetly it works that you need to cover both slots
same for rings/trinkets
then you use only flightstones which drops everywhere so its basically free upgrade
so you dont need to hesitate and think "should I upgrade it or wait for better stat item to drop"
neat parrot
is forgestorm really that good without primary stat?
hardy snow
is forgestorm really that good without primary stat?
yes, onehands doesnt have that much of them anyway so its not big issue
jagged pier
strong forum
any tips on playing the jagged disc mobs in neltharions lair? my group is just a...
Focus them hard and kill em quick, they always jump away directly away from the group, so you can force bait them into a corner if you position well
cedar remnant
Hey, i often play with a good DH and he keeps taking aggro back from me, I think it's a prob on my personal rotation when starting packs so do you have generals tips for me to get aggro instant ?
tawny briar
I don't know about others, but I try to have a burst AOE CD for the start of big packs if I have a very bursty DPS that is ripping threat at the start of keys (Dragonroar, shield charge, whetstone trink, etc) Once you get initiall threat it usually is a non-issue
pale hill
Anyone run Neltharus and feel there are certain pulls where you get rage starved?
What do you do then? Things in that dungeon hit like a mofo truck
tawny briar
I ran it a couple times this week and didn't notice any rage issues. Which particular packs? the only ones I felt hit particularly hard were the flame slash guys, which do wreck you pretty good
pale hill
I feel it a lot on the last three pulls with the big birds. The adds are casting and eat through my defensive so fast my IP goes up and down like a yoyo.
The other time are with the little fire elementals casting melt the entire time and the big pull across from the shortcut door.
tawny briar
ya, i think there is a single flame slash mob in each of those packs, at least the two bird ones, so makes sense you'd be getting wrecked. I don't know, I try to have a major defensive for the flameslashes at this point. the push back can HELP you get rage if it pushes you out into charge range. might try that if you are feeling real rage starved on the pull. just make sure you don't end up with back facing the other mobs
what key level? that might make a difference too. My experience is only on +16
daring marlin
I got an Irideus Fragment. Couldn't trade it. Poor DK!
pale hill
It was a 14
daring marlin
Trinket is fuckin' cheeks
pale hill
Wth does that even mean
limpid anchor
Anyone run Neltharus and feel there are certain pulls where you get rage starved...
Only hp starved :(
daring marlin
Only hp starved :(
flame slash 
tawny briar
backstep works? how far back you gotta be. that's massive if so. I'll try it in my next one, cause that spell HURTS
daring marlin
If you backstep they just cast it again
tawny briar
ya, i've noticed that with the custodian bleed in Uldaman too
limpid anchor
That’s why spell block, higher uptime
tawny briar
you can just kind keep going in a circle and they keep trying but never hit you, you just don't get to hit the mob much
tawny briar
Ya, I've started doing the same thing
it's annoying that they recast, I think they also recast if you stun it
crude notch
Trinket is fuckin' cheeks
not for unholy dk
daring marlin
not for unholy dk
I meant for me it is. 😉
crude notch
yes but you also said they should buff dungeon trinkets, which considering that trinket is bis for a few specs, I doubt that'd be one of them.
daring marlin
Most others are pretty crap, though.
Dargrul is an outlier.
Fragment good for destro and devoker too
crude notch
10x buff for sporepods
daring marlin
cease
crude notch
wait what are your other trinkets ??
PWars options are so piss that Fragment is 4th for M+ trinkets.
daring marlin
On my pally so I'm still rocking alch trinket and icon
pure hare
Do you guys have any tips for dealing with snap aggro in m+ I’m having a really hard time
daring marlin
Amd I'm not spending wyrm crests to upgrade this pos fragment
crude notch
On my pally so I'm still rocking alch trinket and icon
oh that's right you call me a filthy monk while you're being a filthy fotm chaser
Just get Dargrul and Raid Horn
your only better options then are bacon and anvil
daring marlin
hey pal I've always played the plate classes
and raid horn? hell no!
I'll prolly just upgrade alch trinket to 447 in two weeks
fragment last night was my first trinket drop this season lmao
sick sentinel
nvidia is launching 4060 and 4060 ti for anyone looking for budget gpu https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/13kz0b7/nvidia_rtx_4060_rtx_4060_ti_announcement_rtx_4060/
crude notch
I'll prolly just upgrade alch trinket to 447 in two weeks
mammoth and dargrul are my bis non-raid trinkets and I got them day one.
tawny briar
Do you guys have any tips for dealing with snap aggro in m+ I’m having a really ...
I responded to someone else with a similiar question, but if I have a bursty DPS pulling aggro early in a key, I start holding burst AOE cd's for start of pull (dragonroar, shield charge, whetstone trinket, etc). If you are losing threat later in pulls it's probably a rotation problem. unless you are having to kite
tame jasper
is there a way to skip last two mobs in Uldaman? I know you can mind sooth them, but you still pull them, when running through them
simple atlas
2 shadowflame armor patch vs 1 shadowflame armor patch + frostfire spark belt 🤔 ?
crude notch
2 shadowflame armor patch vs 1 shadowflame armor patch + frostfire spark belt 🤔...
what about it?
The pin covers it
simple atlas
oh thanks
sullen gust
I dont know I'd anyone here would have an answer but I asked in the WA chat and it seems pretty quiet in there. When I want to use spell reflection, and activate my cast, is it possible to say something in chat to the effect of "Don't Kick, I'm Reflecting"? I find half the time I use it, the mob gets kicked and then next cast I may not have an interrupt or reflect available again. Extra points if there is a way to specify which ability I am reflecting but not essential.
urban bane
There's a WA for SR announcing yeah
But I will say
DPS dont tend to give two squirts of piss whether there's a message or not xD
they still zug zug kick
toxic pewter
Most people can’t read anyway
urban bane
it is a bit cursed, but i made a weakaura for my m+ friends. it makes a bell sound when i spell reflect and, if someone kicks while the buff is active, a buzzer sound goes off and they /say something to the effect of "uwu i kick while spell reflect was up im sowwy senpai ;_;" They just gotta install it for it to work lul
im away from my computer atm but i can send it if you want 😅
okay a bit cursed is an understatement
scenic bough
i think you mean blessed
crude notch
wtf
sick sentinel
blIzzard bubble of "no fun allowed:"
crude notch
yes yogi,preventing you from starting a key before the time starts is a sign of no fun allowed
urban bane
you can bypass the bubble even :V
sick sentinel
it removes the dungeon portal exit that you can normally walk out of too
so you have to use a teleport
crude notch
Stop logging out in dungeons?
dusky canopy
is there a way to skip last two mobs in Uldaman? I know you can mind sooth them,...
Yes, you can go to the right, stand on one of the benches, and jump up to the platform behind the two dragons and walk past them, warlock gate also works
urban bane
wait for real?
sick sentinel
sort of foce of habit normally alt f4 right after loot
urban bane
that's sick
sick sentinel
i've not tried uldamans yet
dusky canopy
Yes it works
We do it every time
Very little effort required
You just have to be able to time a jump
dusky canopy
Without even looking, Shield
crude notch
i'd craft what's in the pins
left basalt
shield
rose sphinx
shield with proc?
dusky canopy
Priority 1 shield,
Priority 2 pogstorm,
Priority 3 trinkets,
Priority 4 item level
rose sphinx
ok ty guys!
left basalt
pogstorm/cleavestorm love it
left basalt
half my dmg is trinkets, stones, and belt, and now pogstorm
dusky canopy
Going to be living in nelth lair for a while I bet I want the dps trinket and the tank trinket
rose sphinx
what is pogstorm? im from spain and i dont understant this word hahahah
understand*
weapon?
dusky canopy
Neltharius mace with proc
rose sphinx
oh
dusky canopy
Big gains
left basalt
Going to be living in nelth lair for a while I bet I want the dps trinket and th...
I'm using this Talisman of the Cragshaper and I love it
rose sphinx
nice weapon
dusky canopy
At 441 it’s better than all other options even vault ilvl
left basalt
We pushed 1 16 last week, but this week its all 16's and 17s
dusky canopy
hey <@145702969990578178> do you at least have a pogstorm?
Yes he got it like day 2 he was in here showing it off
left basalt
I have 2, 337 and 441 
dusky canopy
I'm using this Talisman of the Cragshaper and I love it
Yeah after discussing it with nom and realizing it’s value is higher than it appears I want it lol
dusky canopy
It’ll add a bit more cushion to the keys that feel harder
Took me 7 runs to get my mace
I guess that’s pretty good
Varying key levels of 17-19
It dropped from an 18 for me
crude notch
I'm on monk this season so I had to hunt down a pogstorm and a tusk
pogstorm is unique equipped otherwise i'd be DW them
dusky canopy
You got both
crude notch
yea got both
rose sphinx
not better proc shied than primal molten defender?
tame jasper
Yes, you can go to the right, stand on one of the benches, and jump up to the pl...
thank you!
dusky canopy
crit haste? not haste versa?
Yes you can’t get enough Vers to make it good so go Crit/haste
Crit is slightly more dps + parry
crude notch
we ain't in bfa corruption era anymore todo
dusky canopy
I honestly really liked corruptions it was fun
How you obtained them was horrible
But once you had the right ones it was alot of fun
crude notch
yeah i liked corruption too
oblique kayak
Yeah after discussing it with nom and realizing it’s value is higher than it app...
got it aswell, very very handy. Sadly not enough space for so many trinkets :/
daring marlin
hey <@145702969990578178> do you at least have a pogstorm?
Sure do.
Got two in one run week 1.
I wonder how chill NL is this week
rough spruce
I wonder how chill NL is this week
The little guys at the start bolster
oblique kayak
I wonder how chill NL is this week
skip the rock dudes
urban bane
why those lil shitters bolster in NL is baffling to me
toxic pewter
Yah the scorpion bolstered so much it one shot me lmao
dusky canopy
NL is healer terror
rough spruce
Yah the scorpion bolstered so much it one shot me lmao
The big rock dude before rockmora handed me my ass
dusky canopy
+2 an 18 last night timer feels pretty good atleast
Falling rocks 1 shot
And pelters go ham
Bosses are way easier now
Oh yeah the giant shards
They slap
dusky canopy
why those lil shitters bolster in NL is baffling to me
Same same I gave the little worms 8 stacks of bolster and then they burrowed and wiped the whole party 100>0
dusky canopy
Neltharus feels really tight to me but I haven’t run it with everyone doing over 100k so that’s probably why
crude notch
That dungeon I feel like we can play completely clean but still 🐒 👉 🕰️
dusky canopy
Oh yeah the Benefit to farming an item is you really thoroughly learn the dungeon
daring marlin
Neltharus?
Definitely not Neltharus
I fiesta'd the 20 I did at the start and we still timed it.
dusky canopy
Dude those wardens SLAP
sage ice
man, fort week fucking sucks as a new-ish tank lol
crude notch
I believe in you Goldie
sage ice
Spell block saves lives
you think this is worth running generally?
dusky canopy
If it wasn’t challenging it would get boring really fast
daring marlin
In neltharus and NL yes
dusky canopy
Example heroic dungeons
daring marlin
Nowhere else
dusky canopy
Why NL?
sage ice
thanks @dusky canopy and @crude notch. I'm enjoying it and sticking with it. Trash just hits different rn haha
dusky canopy
I didn’t notice anything I needed it for
crude notch
i love fort because it's definitely the time to show your strength
but first fort week is always rough when you're feeling out the dam
dusky canopy
Yeah keep in mind they are actively tuning trash now that it’s a fort week
It’ll get easier as time goes on
sage ice
i'm still getting geared up better for higher keys too. i'm at ilvl 413 right now and +12/+13 seems to be the limit of what I can handle somewhat comfortably
dusky canopy
Perfectly fine
As ilvl grows so will skill and knowledge of the dungeons
So it’ll all get easier
sage ice
managed to tank a full heroic pug AOTC vault at end of S1 about ~3 weeks into tanking, and my guild did a full normal clear last week, so I'm feeling pretty solid about being able to handle raid mechanics
the trash pulls in pugs this week feel much harder than any of that haha
dusky canopy
Oh yeah raiding tanking is piss easy
sage ice
guild runs when we can coordinate interrupt rotations it's so much easier but pugs are...whew
dusky canopy
Dungeons is the place to shine
dusky canopy
You basically have too
sage ice
what are you spell blocking in neltharus?
dusky canopy
They were doing 50% per blazing slash every 10 seconds
You literally cannot stand there without a defensive active
Or your healer is Jesus
toxic pewter
The blazing slash shouldn’t sync up anymore
dusky canopy
The blazing slash shouldn’t sync up anymore
? Changes
toxic pewter
daring marlin
yeah but you live in chaos
I am not yogi, the one true avatar of chaos.
dusky canopy
Yogi I need a random YouTube link to start my day
Or try to sell me a lawn mower or something
left basalt
Yogi I need a random YouTube link to start my day
EDM?
crude notch
can't be edm has to be the dumbest darkside of yt shit you've ever seen.
left basalt
daring marlin
lmao
I feel like all the dungeons are pretty good timer wise. None are really tight like some S1 dungeons felt.
fiery raft
hello I would like to know for my stats I am at 17% critical 29% haste 17% mastery 20% poly is is mm+ 20 21 I get cut in 2? I think I have to recover from mastery for more tank
cinder storm
They are really easy, tanked a few 11 on my pally 389 no tier and a 16 out of the gate on my war 419 with alt dps friends
sullen gust
it is a bit cursed, but i made a weakaura for my m+ friends. it makes a bell sou...
Thats fucking hilarious, though I doubt I could get my friends to download that. If you have an announcement WA that would be awesome though!
cinder storm
All the tuning blizz has done, made 20s super accessible this season, I wonder if top pushers will end up doing 30s-33s like in bfa
rose sphinx
trinkets bis for m+ guys?
toxic pewter
Beacon bis
left basalt
trinkets bis for m+ guys?
pins
balmy canyon
I'm pretty sure they saw that the higher difficulty simply made content and gear inaccessible to many players which lowered participation
pale hill
I'm 411 and dungeons feel good at 14. Challenging, but doable. I'm super unimpressed with entangling. It's a joke for anyone. Needs to be increased slow or decrease time to stun imo
crude notch
no
plush tendon
naw
cinder storm
It's fine how it is, it can have annoying overlaps and increasing the slow would just make it unfun
plush tendon
me like free afix
plush tendon
adds a little bit to the dungeon, but not too much to be a real pain in the ass
cinder storm
Right
final mist
Shit like Sanguine and such were trash for that reason
plush tendon
Sanquine changes how you play way too much
plush tendon
Entangling.... you deal with it, its not hard, but if you dont do it, you get punished
cinder storm
And coincidentally, the spawn rate being so long makes you forget about it but then it surprises you when it happens, vs it spawning every 20-30s
plush tendon
ideal
crude notch
And coincidentally, the spawn rate being so long makes you forget about it but t...
When it first spawn in my first key I thought it was a trinket from someone
cinder storm
Only critique I have about is that is the same animation frog boss has, they are identical
cinder storm
When it first spawn in my first key I thought it was a trinket from someone <:ke...
Same
sharp ruin
guys , basilisks in uldama and tha other mobs that do the bite , are like super trash right? xD
crude notch
just dwarf it 4head
final mist
They hurt, yes
sharp ruin
i did it 21 , the chomp of the basilisks just destroy me
crude notch
oh are you talking about the bleed sneks or the spiked carapace homies?
sharp ruin
is a dot , but is phisycal damge , idk how it can just destroy us
plush tendon
bleeds ignore armor
sharp ruin
oh so wait , is not the bite , is the bleed if the cast pass that destroy us?
sharp ruin
is absurd the damage they do , i was with my shield wall up but the chomps was destroying me
i have to change to dwarf xD
or maybe ( a little hope ) blizzard will nerf it a bit
plush tendon
it is the season of the dwarf
daring marlin
I had a hidden entangling pop on last boss of HoI last night
acoustic oasis
daring marlin
Like it was ticking down during us being airborne going into the gauntlet and the stun popped immediately as we landed
crude notch
oh yeah entangling is keks on that fight
astral crystal
they just need to make entangling not ignore z axis
we've also gotten it on altarius
while airborne due to tornadoes
these past two weeks have felt like hardcore beta testing ngl
cinder storm
is absurd the damage they do , i was with my shield wall up but the chomps was d...
I read they take 50% increased dmg for 6s after being stunned, so stun and kite is the play
sharp ruin
yeah is the only way
but the basilisks are a problem aswell
but the move should be the same
stun and kite them
unkempt rover
we're strong now
fresh igloo
shield slam?
unkempt rover
nobody says SS lmao
astral crystal
it's parlance from before your time, zoomer
harsh trellis
I am about to craft a 447 Primal Molten Defender - > with Haste/Vers (Draconic Missive of the Aurora) - > and is the enchant - Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch? What about an embellishment?
astral crystal
daring marlin
it's parlance from before your time, zoomer
Hell yeah, bro. Damn kids these days!
unkempt rover
we say shottyscreeny
fresh igloo
I am about to craft a 447 Primal Molten Defender - > with Haste/Vers (Draconic ...
or haste crit. if you don't have embellishments you probably want to grab a shadowflame patch.
you can't put weapon enchants on your shield though.
harsh trellis
or haste crit. if you don't have embellishments you probably want to grab a shad...
Thank you I was looking for the correct item - Shadowflame-Tempered Armor Patch
unkempt rover
is the frostfire belt passive considered an embelishment?
fresh igloo
yes
unkempt rover
and we're still capped at 2?
fresh igloo
unstable frostfire belt + shadowflame armor patch + flavor pocket is a decent combo.
unkempt rover
I just still have lariat
fresh igloo
depending on your gear swapping the belt for another shadowflame might be a little better.
primal jetty
man am i the only one that feels like fort trash is overtuned? I'm in a fight for my life forever
fresh igloo
lariat kinda got trashed.
unkempt rover
yeah, but I have nothing else lol
fresh igloo
man am i the only one that feels like fort trash is overtuned? I'm in a fight fo...
your group is probably on the low end of the gear curve rn.
fresh igloo
yeah, but I have nothing else lol
that's what crafting is for
unkempt rover
I wanna put armor patch on shield
fossil cloud
What is the best option to do first? sword or shield
fresh igloo
man am i the only one that feels like fort trash is overtuned? I'm in a fight fo...
stops and interrupts this week are super important
unkempt rover
youre right, maybe I craft a random neck
primal jetty
im getting melee'd for 300k
daring marlin
man am i the only one that feels like fort trash is overtuned? I'm in a fight fo...
Fort trucks, brother.
unkempt rover
what key?
fresh igloo
What is the best option to do first? sword or shield
don't craft a main hand. there's plenty of options. shield is priority for prot always.
heavy sinew
should i upgrade my 437 molten shield or my 424 frostfire belt to 447?
fresh igloo
should i upgrade my 437 molten shield or my 424 frostfire belt to 447?
shield is priority always.
daring marlin
huh
cinder storm
hmm
fresh igloo
im getting melee'd for 300k
you got a log for that?
cinder storm
sounds like gap in your mitigation
heavy sinew
shield is priority always.
even tho it's a smaller ilvl upgrade?
primal jetty
52k overall on healer is OK or nah?
fresh igloo
an individual hit for 300k sounds like you got hit in the back or sat down or something lol
fresh igloo
52k overall on healer is OK or nah?
in isolation that's a meaningless number/question.
daring marlin
I did a 19 last night and didn 't feel too bad
primal jetty
bolstered executor
fossil cloud
For the shield the stats would be versatility and speed?
daring marlin
except like 3 packs after dragon kinda hurt
fresh igloo
i mean if shit is bolstered it does more damage... you gotta account for that.
if youre not dropping a pack close to all at once you might need to save shield wall for the end
fresh igloo
For the shield the stats would be versatility and speed?
prot warrior wants a little of everything but lean towards crit/haste
unkempt rover
I think im just gonna ditch lariat and put this on lmao
take the L for now until better neck
at least ill have armor patch
fresh igloo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unkempt rover
my shield would turn into 447 anwyays, id buy the ilvl back
crude notch
I would most definitely drop some if it means you get a 447 shield w/ shadowflame
strong forum
thats the best neck from m+
strong forum
iirc ye
crude notch
why does that not have an upgrade track?
fresh igloo
it's last season
unkempt rover
old neck
fresh igloo
from horse
ancient cosmos
unkempt rover
@strong forum how is it the best? I'm assuming you mean at 421
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> how is it the best? I'm assuming you mean at 421
i mean overall from m+
unkempt rover
OH from
strong forum
there is no good haste neck from m+ in s2
crude notch
just run Vortex Pinnacle if you need a neck, it has 3
strong forum
there are only 2 haste necks in s2 iirc
daring marlin
bromach neck huge haste
strong forum
yeah they both suck
crude notch
either way if you really need a neck just run VP because there's 3 altogether
crude notch
like if you're giga downbad
strong forum
way better
daring marlin
LMAO
rough spruce
To which dragonflight should we atune our trinket to?
reef hazel
from Uldaman
daring marlin
prot chat is the best
daring marlin
giga haste
strong forum
ya but no crit
daring marlin
I'm happy with my vp neck
daring marlin
filthy pinkman
strong forum
god tier stats
unkempt rover
''parrygodx''
daring marlin
fax
toxic pewter
name checks out
crude notch
why not 40% crit, huh?
daring marlin
strong forum
can only have so much sex
crude notch
jesus do the keys even start with you having 2% vers??
rough spruce
I don't think I'm good enough to tank without vers, so I assume you would atune the aspects trinket to crit if you were to use it
cinder storm
?
crude notch
the what what
cinder storm
You dont need vers
strong forum
that tiny bit copium of stats has 0 impact
stats dont make you tanky
gameplay does
daring marlin
skillfully parry it all
unkempt rover
im feeling very tanky even with 8%
rough spruce
the what what
The trinket from raid Omni something
unkempt rover
just B stance in heroic bosses
unkempt rover
question, is 55k ST good?
daring marlin
we are vers disrespectoooors
unkempt rover
humble me
strong forum
depends on boss
unkempt rover
it was dragon
strong forum
is aight
unkempt rover
every other boss is like 38-55k
strong forum
in a pug environment thats good for first boss
strong forum
basically parsing rn is -> trinkets -> killtime -> high ilvl + 4pc -
deep sluice
you guys waht do you think about that cloak
crude notch
i kid i kid, but no it's not good
strong forum
can potentially be good in high keys, but its super iffy
vital arch
I feel like this season I’m getting spanked. Im still rocking scales from NO, and im specced entirely in to mitigation. Should I just go back to zug zug spec with ittf?
strong forum
youre losing alot of dps to get a proc you might proc not even once in a key
deep sluice
yeah
strong forum
wont get alot of milage out of it besides "yeah but what if" moments
crude notch
I feel like this season I’m getting spanked. Im still rocking scales from NO, an...
It's week two of the new season and idk what "specced entirely into mitigation" means, but usually it's gonna come down to gameplay.
strong forum
it can save a key, but 99/100 it will be useless
crude notch
Which can only be helped with logs.
vital arch
Which can only be helped with logs.
I’m a trash raider, but I’ve been fairly hard walled pushing 16s
deep sluice
yeah i never die as prot anyways
im going for shadowflame for my first embelishment but not sure for the second
strong forum
another shadowflame or belt
deep sluice
yeah but im scared they fix sahdowflame
vital arch
Just checked the handful of normal logs I have an they all are 80+ but I’m still feeling stupid squishy in m+ probably a skill issue with knowing mechanics opposed to clicking the right buttons
crude notch
yo wdym fix
daring marlin
yeah but im scared they fix sahdowflame
I wouldn't worry about that. They let Lariat be slightly better than everything else all of S1.
crude notch
it's not even bis for most leatherwearers, so it won't get changed.
strong forum
feeling stupid squishy can have a multitude of reasons
including not knowing when youre supposed to take dmg
if you know why youre taking dmg
you cant feel squishy
cuz its then related to what youre fighting, and not what youre doing/how strong your class is
ive not felt squishy once even when fighting a 5x bolstered mega mob who slapped me for 300k melees
cuz its a bolstered mob which just meleed fast
thats then a moment of "ah good to know this pull/mob can be dangerous on high keys"
i now know, that the assassin sphinx guys melee real hard and quick 
daring marlin
yeah lol
vital arch
I mean so for example, the first handful of mobs in nelth, I was just getting trucked by the tank hit blazing slash after it got bolstered. Slapped for 400k and ded.
crude notch
yeah but nome
daring marlin
I mean so for example, the first handful of mobs in nelth, I was just getting tr...
That's probably the hardest trash in m+ currently
crude notch
how do I counter this? https://twitter.com/thejordangill/status/1658836846686683137
daring marlin
hardest hitting*
strong forum
how do I counter this? https://twitter.com/thejordangill/status/1658836846686683...
just stop being squishy 4head
vital arch
Lmao yeah sometimes I forget the learning curve that hits around +16, welp I’ll keep grinding. In general though I shouldn’t need bolstering until I get 2pc, and are you guys running ittf?
vital arch
just stop being squishy 4head
Lmao ok, point proven.
soft plume
does simming work for heart of thunder since its something that procs when u get hit and not when u hit the dummy
daring marlin
What the fuck
tawny briar
dataminers have any idea where these are sourced? they all look sick if we can get them at some higher ilvls
daring marlin
mega dungeon hype
crude notch
dataminers have any idea where these are sourced? they all look sick if we can ...
no, it'll probably be something we find out more about next week
crude notch
does simming work for heart of thunder since its something that procs when u get...
you get hit in sims
daring marlin
Doomhammer and Frostmourn look sick!
strong forum
does simming work for heart of thunder since its something that procs when u get...
you do get meleed in sims, but i wouldnt put my money on the trinket simming
dont think its implemented in simc
crude notch
yeah it's not fully implemented
soft plume
can i just assume its gonna make me do a lot of dmg
strong forum
From what I've seen it does 4-5k dps
austere agate
Why do people recommend One-Handed Spec over Rumbling Earth in M+ specs?
It doesn't make sense to me at all
rough spruce
I mean so for example, the first handful of mobs in nelth, I was just getting tr...
You can back step those
vital arch
You can back step those
god tier advice, how could I forget my S key
crude notch
spell block on nelth for those mobs
austere agate
Because of insane crowd control in M+? Interrupting millions of deadly casts almost 50% more often
austere agate
Its not like my pugs are stun gods, and some classes straight up don't have them. I feel I help my ground so much and save lives with shorter shockwave CD
soft plume
i feel like with sims its acting as if the heart of thunder is 0 dps
austere agate
group*
strong forum
i feel like with sims its acting as if the heart of thunder is 0 dps
That's what not implemented in Sims means, yes
strong forum
I mean you do you dmt, but if intim shout, stormbolt and shockwave isn't enough then idk
I've not once felt like I needed shockwave that often
austere agate
Maybe you play in coordinated group
sick sentinel
also DMT, that name though, i know it probably means something else to you, but means something else to large parts of the world.
strong forum
I don't play in a coordinated group
sick sentinel
joe rogan enjoyer i see
strong forum
My packs just die
Before I run out of tools
I handle most of pulls myself
And 1 shockwave is more than enough most of the time
sick sentinel
My packs just die
what nomer is, i am the polar opposite but still, no longer a noob and i should totally know better
austere agate
also DMT, that name though, i know it probably means something else to you, but ...
I know what it means
strong forum
If you know your group isn't good
austere agate
What keys do you play man
crude notch
lol
austere agate
Kick 2 pelters casting 2 bolts per second
sick sentinel
nome does 26 keys i do 15s or 11s lol
strong forum
Good job you did the thing
sick sentinel
best key i ever ran was only a 18
strong forum
If you're wiping to 2 pelters cuz you didn't shockwave them twice
Then you got diff issues
daring marlin
Doing 5% more damage(massive gain btw) is significantly more beneficial than having one of the worst AoE stuns back up sooner.
strong forum
Never minding the fact that you can barely hit 3 mobs when there's 2 pelters cuz they jump away unless you properly bait them
rough spruce
As tanks we should have a keybind to skull marker when playing pugs, does wonders
strong forum
I always insta mark skull and cross each pull where a mob has to be nuked
Tends to work out
glass iron
I feel like our tier is so broken I do so much dmg in keys since 4 set
strong forum
Should be ~7% of your dmg
glass iron
Yeah it’s pretty high
I can get like 70-75 k now as a tank in 20s which is good I think
dusky canopy
Caught up on chat I see we’re busting balls per usual
Oh no morb
You just woke up the beast
Noms about to slam some 100k overall ss
glass iron
Kekw pls I’d be impressed
strong forum
70-80 is what I do aswell
dusky canopy
See that’s your problem
strong forum
Bit more in FH and bracken
glass iron
I cant bruv I have to pump I’m the dps officer kekw
dusky canopy
Lmfao
Mobile autocorrect boss
How else am I supposed to get through the work day other than shit posting about wow
glass iron
I’ve only had to def stance on like 4-5 holster stacks most packs what about you guys
dusky canopy
I cant bruv I have to pump I’m the dps officer kekw
Just out dps the casuals in your guild
glass iron
In 19-20s
dusky canopy
That’s what I do
glass iron
I did
dusky canopy
As prot*
glass iron
Lmao I beat our 430 enhance in free hold overall
dusky canopy
“What spec you running today brew”
glass iron
Phahaha
dusky canopy
Prot always
glass iron
Is anyone a sit in b stance the whole key Andy
Like giga chad
I’m too scared on bolster
dusky canopy
In AA last season I could do the same overall on prot as my fury spec lmao
dusky canopy
Try nelth lair first pull
glass iron
Isn’t shield like huge for defence or something
strong forum
Yeah 415 shield is a world difference to a 447
dusky canopy
Singular most impactful item
glass iron
Hmm perhaps I farm
strong forum
It's like 50% diff
glass iron
Whatever drops our bis shield
strong forum
The crafting table
dusky canopy
Delete warrior make a new one
strong forum
So
dusky canopy
And gear it properly
glass iron
Big true hahahahaha
glass iron
Which dung is bis shield
I’m 435 with it equipped
Imagine my power with a real weapon
Or board
dusky canopy
Is there one with haste in it?
glass iron
Idk
dusky canopy
I didn’t even bother looking
glass iron
I’ll just put my other 1hder in
My shield slot
Who needs more shield , more weapon = more dmg five head
dusky canopy
Using weapons from floor pov is very effective
dusky canopy
Morb we like you
glass iron
Wut brother
glass iron
Gimme some smoke you having
glass iron
It broke his exe
glass iron
I want twilight dev
dusky canopy
Literally love that we can craft high item level
Best thing to happen to the game in a while
glass iron
It’s Ona sheet somewhere
dusky canopy
He’s got me beat I think I’m about 30-40 dungeons since season launch
But that’s 2-3hrs a night play time
dusky canopy
Just stay ahead of the pack and pugs are fairly successful
As soon as you fall behind the io grind you’re screwed
hollow hill
Is a dungeon slice parse an accurate way to sim for M+ in raidbots?
strong forum
No
hollow hill
such a fast response lol
glass iron
Wait what does prot sim for M+ is it a 5 target 45-1 m Andy kind of deal
tame jasper
tier gloves are better than shoulders, cause high haste /versa, right?
sand kettle
whats our best enchant this season? sophic still?
dusky canopy
I’m running Sophic yeah
We talked about it yesterday
The new shadowflame wep enchant doesn’t seem promising
fluid beacon
i have to say im a bit bitter about our 4 set now that i see how much I am missing spell block. fucking around with your talent build to get it and losing impenetrable wall or whatever just feels lame. combined by the fact that you press LS on cd pretty much for a dps gain also feels bad
we have to chose between 2 of the best mitigation spells and use another for DPS
reminiscing end of shadowlands now again
kinda lame
dusky canopy
You only really need spell block in neltharius
It’s not to bad to drop blood surge for one dungeon
fluid beacon
why do i have to make that choice now when i didnt have to before. thats my point
sick sentinel
Lair sucks
fluid beacon
they took one of our mitiations away essentially
by giving us this 4 set
its always stupid
dusky canopy
I mean I get what you’re saying but losing a little bit of rage gen to gain spell block isn’t the end of the world
sick sentinel
Why do we NEED bolster now
final mist
Because it synergizes with tier
dusky canopy
You need bolster to get the most value out tier
Ye
Also you get itf now and still 100% block so it’s ggez
sick sentinel
I'm a bit shocked we didn't switch to uh 120 or 130 w/e it is and the +rage during ls ones
fluid beacon
I mean I get what you’re saying but losing a little bit of rage gen to gain spel...
its not just a little rage
dusky canopy
Those talents are always active not just during LS? Or am I missing something
fluid beacon
havign double shield wall
or shorter CD shield wall is important
myhic experiments fucking trucks at high stacks
u need all the mitigation you can
mythis szkarn
dusky canopy
I hate to break it to ya but you don’t run blood surge in raid to begin with
fluid beacon
hell on heroic the dot and mines dot hurt
dusky canopy
At least not on the mostly ST fights
fluid beacon
I hate to break it to ya but you don’t run blood surge in raid to begin with
who says i run BS
dusky canopy
Well that’s the talent you drop to get spellblock in pretty much all cases
So I assumed
Idk man I feel like a mountain compared to my co tank bear who toppled over to everything lol
fluid beacon
Well that’s the talent you drop to get spellblock in pretty much all cases
i can drop enduring defense since its not super needed since we play bolster
still feels lame dropping talents u once had
to compensate for a tier build
dusky canopy
In raid you could drop ED yeah because you should be able to keep block up the whole time your active
Without it
Man we’re winning aren’t we aha
dusky canopy
Noob trap
strong forum
when wasnt it
dusky canopy
Oldest tank
fluid beacon
ProWar deaths are high cuz its not generally easy to play well to survive. now its pretty easy
wasnt always
strong forum
last tier it was also highest death%
dusky canopy
Agreed
errant leaf
do we play spell block in HoI ? I'm getting cranked by the drake's breath
strong forum
idk chief
dusky canopy
Just because the average die all the time
crude notch
that's like saying healing parses matter for tanks
fluid beacon
H Sark. I don't reall go into the down realm unless i have to. i dont have the flame-thingamajig weapon or sark trinket yet
dusky canopy
Doesn’t mean i do
fluid beacon
our ST isnt bad
fluid beacon
last tier it was also highest death%
cuz noone plays prot warr and last tier it was FOTM. so u have a lot of shitlord roll it and not know what to do
autumn tulip
Dude this 4 set stinks to play with
strong forum
cuz noone plays prot warr and last tier it was FOTM. so u have a lot of shitlord...
its always highest death%
crude notch
cuz noone plays prot warr and last tier it was FOTM. so u have a lot of shitlord...
wtf is this logic
strong forum
always is
has nothing to do with fotm or shitters
its just the tank with the least recovery tools if shit goes south
thats it
nothing less nothing more
pwar cant recover from a mistake in raid by itself
thats the sole and only reason
prisma crane
strong forum
theres a reason why bdk is the lowest death% in all of wow history
cuz deathstrike and cheat death
fluid beacon
what bug fix
strong forum
we're still fine-ish but we're competing with vdh for 4th rn
daring marlin
do we play spell block in HoI ? I'm getting cranked by the drake's breath
Backstep bro
strong forum
rn we're very underrepresented and gear RNG plays a GIGANTIC role rn
fluid beacon
rn we're very underrepresented and gear RNG plays a GIGANTIC role rn
^
prot warr went from godmode everyone has one
to nobody plays one
in 1 tier
dusky canopy
Battering ram doesn’t give 20% crit damage to all damage now it’s just to SC damage like it should of been
fluid beacon
a lot of my parses im either the only prot warr at my ilvl bracket or one of 5-10
lol
subset abilities?
how come i missed this
when was this fixed?
i didnt even know it was broken
crude notch
patch notes do be hard to read true and true.
dusky canopy
fluid beacon
aww shieet
so revert that shit back. they already giving us a 4 set that fucks with out talent choices
fluid beacon
patch notes do be hard to read true and true.
you are the delight of every party, aren't ya pumpkin
lame
daring marlin
so revert that shit back. they already giving us a 4 set that fucks with out tal...
Tier sets do that for a lot of classes. It's not a bad thing inherently.
dusky canopy
So back to the original topic we all agree that it sucks to get spell block now but if you need it you have least bad options
fluid beacon
i was being sarcastic, its obvious you have no social skills
strong forum
the biggest reason why our dmg looks so much worse in comparison rn is a) very few top end peopel are gearing pwar
b) BR nerf
c) wft isnt as prominent anymore iirc
crude notch
i was being sarcastic, its obvious you have no social skills
I was also being sarcastic.
round socket
Hit 437 ilvl, feeling good man, 3 more aspects for another 3 441's
crude notch
you do play prot warrior afterall
I actually don't play prot warrior
fluid beacon
I actually don't play prot warrior
i knew you aint cool
crude notch
Make up your mind
fluid beacon
lmfao
fluid beacon
he knows prot warrior players who play it for real and the OGs of this game. the best crowd
the last man standing
crude notch
Please stop typing
fluid beacon
Please stop typing
i may, once you stop entertaining me with your anger
fluid beacon
You're so cringe.
i love it
unkempt rover
crude notch
I'm laughing at you while eating my bowl of cereal.
unkempt rover
ggnore
fluid beacon
I'm laughing at you while eating my bowl of cereal.
what state are you in
crude notch
grats
crude notch
what state are you in
huh?
strong forum
dusky canopy
Shaker why you asking where people live
crude notch
Homie getting real weird up in here
unkempt rover
@fresh igloo got my ilvl back 😉
dusky canopy
You about to get banned
fluid beacon
trying to figure out where in the world you eat a bowl of cereal right now thats all
marsh locust
Kinda sus asking for where someone lives in a warrior discord
crude notch
you can eat a bowl a cereal at any point at anywhere in the world.
dusky canopy
In a public discord lmao
fluid beacon
In a public discord lmao
lmfao
fluid beacon
If it's a legitimate issue, do we have anyone in here who is part of that official forum council thing
dusky canopy
Yes
marsh locust
Lol
dusky canopy
Lmfao
fluid beacon
i mean, was the battling ram "bug" even that fucking bad? i dont remember us being some god mode DPS
sonic tangle
What the heck is going on here
crude notch
I'll be a power bottom if you ask nicely.
dusky canopy
What the heck is going on here
Weirdos
crude notch
oh god the timing on that question
dusky canopy
crude notch
i promise i'm normal
fluid beacon
^
marsh locust
Nuff said
crude notch
i'm not playing warrior
crude notch
and neither is guilford
fluid beacon
once you go brown you never go back
marsh locust
I thought it was dark brown?
crude notch
fkn gottem
dusky canopy
Warrior owns
marsh locust
Maybe I'm colour blind
dusky canopy
crude notch
for legal purposes this is all a joke
marsh locust
Time to submissive rogue
daring marlin
I'll play my Warrior more eventually
crude notch
roblox kinda person meself.
dusky canopy
Diablo chat in about 2 weeks
crude notch
((I've never played roblox in my life))
dusky canopy
You’ll see
daring marlin
oof
daring marlin
Season comes mid july nbd
daring marlin
A ST buff would be cool.
fluid beacon
Not really that close when your brew tank in the guild can solo bosses forever or soak up all szark balls like its nothing. or essentially solo amalgamation forever on mythic
brew is low key busted
sonic tangle
Brew and DK have always been those tanks tho
fluid beacon
i like you again
crude notch
brew didn't gain anything from last tier to this
so idk wym
this shaker guy pretty yellow condimented
iykyk
fluid beacon
idk shit about brew but my bre co tank said whatever the fuck they changed at the end just before 10.1 cam eout made them big
fluid beacon
not really. its very obvious when you know youll die. like i dont find myself wondering "wtf, how did i die here???" unless it was some fuck up
sonic tangle
Just because a brew was hard to find last tier doesn't mean they weren't good or couldn't cheese mechanics. Just as everyone and their mother is playing prot pally right now, ofc everyone flocks to the flavor of the month
fluid beacon
Brew changes came in like 10.0.5
wheneevr they came out, who gives a shit. after 10.0 they made changes that made brew alot more poweful
sick sentinel
brew is very fun
sonic tangle
Brew is hella fun
sick sentinel
chi torpedo
sonic tangle
But Protwar is my baby
sick sentinel
BDK is fun until it sucks
fluid beacon
only thing that really feels bad playing prot warrior is if you get into a random ass lul of no shield slam procs
sick sentinel
theres nothing wrong wtih it, just it kinda sucks and goes flop
crude notch
that's why you never bring bear to raid. (:
fluid beacon
on a boss that doesnt swing often
marsh locust
You don't bring bears. Period.
fluid beacon
rarely happens but whne it happens it sucks ballsack
marsh locust
They're fucking ass.
daring marlin
BDK is fun until it sucks
BDK is consistently a fun experience. in m+
crude notch
Jihe
sonic tangle
My cotank is a bear 🥲