i healed it last night
#protection
lusty tiger
strong forum
but i would with a trusty healer
lusty tiger
sooo juiced
strong forum
and focus assassins
daring marlin
which key level were ya blastin
lusty tiger
17
daring marlin
I hope I get a vp key
lusty tiger
it was actually very fun
dusky canopy
in orange man we trust
blazing condor
🫳 
median tulip
Is VP the easiest key this season?
lusty tiger
no shot
daring marlin
hell no
That goes to UR
UR is significantly easier than every other key. Probably easier than SBG was.
crude notch
skip second drake don't at me
median tulip
Hmmm ok. Only had lowish keys of that. Game keeps giving me VP, and it seems... easy
crude notch
UR so easy it makes Guilford look like a nun
crude notch
every time i see words from you it's -1 IQ for me
toxic pewter
luOLZ
mighty valley
tyrannical VP got really rough before the nerfs
toxic pewter
final pack in VP can be rough
mighty valley
also people had to learn what the big lightning pyramid packs were about
daring marlin
final pack in VP can be rough
i HaVe DeFeNsIvEs????
plush tendon
UR is significantly easier than every other key. Probably easier than SBG was.
at least UR is fun unlike SBG
sick sentinel
for belt with embellishment its called primal molten greatbelt right?
mighty valley
The only upside of SBG was as a relief after getting destroyed in a big RLP or whatever
mighty valley
for belt with embellishment its called primal molten greatbelt right?
do you want the one with an embellishment baked in or are you putting a shadowflame patch on a belt
plush tendon
I honestly thought I would despise this dungeon pool; honestly, feels like a better start to the season then Season 1
trim pumice
i enjoy underrot but second boss is one of the least fun bosses in the rotation imo
mighty valley
i hate underrot vibes so i'm glad it's not one of the tough dungeons
sick sentinel
do you want the one with an embellishment baked in or are you putting a shadowfl...
shadowflame on it
mighty valley
3rd boss is kinda annoying, the feedback if you're doing it right is weak
plush tendon
i enjoy underrot but second boss is one of the least fun bosses in the rotation ...
its the wall
either you have the damage, or you dont
mighty valley
shadowflame on it
yeah, then you want primal molten greatbelt and put a patch in the slot
sick sentinel
yeah, then you want primal molten greatbelt and put a patch in the slot
Perfect
thx
lusty tiger
im loving the dungeon pool
they all feel so quick
a lot of 3 boss dungeons
mega feelsgood
lusty tiger
i HaVe DeFeNsIvEs????
pug life
toxic pewter
some dungeons have some ugly bleed im finding
lusty tiger
yea i only say that for 1 reason
plush tendon
its hard to compete with 2% crit damage and stoneform
daring marlin
I'm still tempted
lusty tiger
a lot of the boss bleeds dont go on the tank
daring marlin
its hard to compete with 2% crit damage and stoneform
Don't need that shit
You're a viking bro
all you need
lusty tiger
STONED form
lusty tiger
as my GM says im "dwarf pilled"
i just have noggenfogger bound to avenging wrath
simple fix
toxic pewter
lol
does going alliance chance anything in regards to auction house? isnt it shared now with horde
karmic plinth
shared yeah
hazy hazel
I said I would never...in my life...be a dwarf. Now my wife asks me questions and I typically answer with "Ye" or "Nay" and I have a full length beard.
runic hatch
Having some aggro issues with my mates (ret pally especially), any good way to make sure you generate a lot and quick, or just let him die until he gets that hitting too quick isn't a good idea?
ionic fern
I vote for his death.
runic hatch
I mean he's a ret pally he deserves it but still
Maybe I just suck
Did a Nelth 17 earlier and got my ass handed to me
autumn pendant
I vote for his death.
No
plush tendon
does going alliance chance anything in regards to auction house? isnt it shared ...
you do lose all your active quests
and its a bit harder to use trade chat for crafts
toxic pewter
yeah and im on a server with 99% horde
plush tendon
Im on Mal G
plush tendon
just get on a Horde toon, look for someone, copy and paste
strong forum
then switch over
plush tendon
its a nuisance.... but at least theres a work around
toxic pewter
well I mean i have everything already crafted and stuff
hmmm apb.. a dwarf..
who would of guessed
says my guild affiliation doesnt change, but is that true even for cross faction guilds
mighty valley
which bosses have bad bleeds? honestly haven't felt anything like crawth or kokia but i haven't pushed high yet
toxic pewter
mostly trash mobs
plush tendon
which bosses have bad bleeds? honestly haven't felt anything like crawth or koki...
for tanks, not much; but trash has nasty stuff
DPS dwarf on 3rd boss in Uldaman can be goated
plush tendon
says my guild affiliation doesnt change, but is that true even for cross faction...
youll probably have to rejoin your guild; just have someone on your friends list who can invite you
azure temple
Hey all, which trinket is better? The homeland raid horn or the elementium pocket anvil
plush tendon
and also have your dalaran hearth unless you want to take the subway from Ironforge
azure temple
homeland horn is cancer to play around
Thats what i was thinking
strong forum
its worse
cuz this one splits dmg with you if you also get hit
so its like, lamo just dont bother
toxic pewter
ya
plush tendon
theres better stuff anyways
azure temple
yeah but their the only 2 offensive trinkets i have atm
toxic pewter
u got drogbar rock ?
azure temple
nope
south zealot
does this breakdown look generally correct
havent played pwar in a minute
feel like i could use revenge more
strong forum
depends on dungeon but looks aight
south zealot
was a VP
south zealot
ok ty 
strong forum
but i didnt get r1 log 
strong forum
im blaming it on ilvl and ring rng
strong forum
ya im almost entirely s1 gear
dark lark
- what's the effective CD on last stand with tier?
- do I need to hit avatar after last stand to sync up the damage amp with the shield slam shockwaves?
strong forum
yes
dark lark
60-75 CD on LS sounds like I would get them to line up every 3 avatars/2 last stands
Or do they generally line up fairly well
dark lark
Would it make sense to not hold Avatar for LS (just always send Avatar), but hold LS for Avatar if they're close?
strong forum
dont hold avatar
toxic pewter
grats
strong forum
also is it me or is toxic retch not reflectable
sullen drift
Enduring Dreadplate is good ?
strong forum
its better now after the fix, but i wouldnt call it good
lusty tiger
also is it me or is toxic retch not reflectable
someone said reflecting it made that boss ez
lemme try and find
strong forum
but i literally cant reflect it
either stand in the swirly
or walking into the poop
it doesnt do anything
final mist
^
strong forum
what dot
jagged pier
toxic retch gives u a dot
final mist
Retch puts puddles on the ground and a DoT on everyone
strong forum
strong forum
i dont bind trinkets to anything
jagged pier
u dont macro it
strong forum
i have seperate trinket binds
final mist
I will bind some trinkets to Avatar but not all of them, Anvil is one of them I wouldn't
dusky canopy
Guys do we like the shadowflame wep enchant
final mist
No
strong forum
im not sold on it
strong forum
it says it sims 400 dps higher than frozen devotion, but dps meter doesnt agree
final mist
I believe it's bugged or something atm
strong forum
this is how i track my trinkets and use em
strong forum
I believe it's bugged or something atm
ive asked my peeps but have been ignored <.<
final mist
I've seen that thrown around but haven't seen any evidence other than it not doing as well as sims suggested
Either way Sophic/other Devotions until we know for sure
bitter herald
no macro means more buttons t.t
i generally prefer off gcd stuff to be macro'd but nothing good to stick it with
strong forum
I've seen that thrown around but haven't seen any evidence other than it not doi...
im annoying topple with it again
final mist
👏 👏 👏
strong forum
apparently it doesnt count the self dmg
but its fucky either way
i dont like it, im going sophic
wasted 50k gold
sullen drift
from where is that toxic rench and its reflectable?
strong forum
NL 2nd boss
final mist
The boss casts it
And yes
There is a WA that will tell you when to do so
Speaking of
@strong forum someone updated the WA, might want to re-pin thay
tawny briar
Isn't it 3rd boss?
strong forum
it was genshi who pinned that, i myself am not a fan of that cuz it never worked properly
right, 3rd boss
tawny briar
I believe it stops the dot application. I know I hear the "something got reflected" sound and don't get the dot
final mist
Yes
fresh igloo
I believe it stops the dot application. I know I hear the "something got reflect...
that's correct
final mist
Don't stand in shit, be aware of avalanches, SR toxic reach and
Molten Crash?
Something on the last boss, check the sheet
And CC pelters, your dps and healer will thank you
strong forum
dont pull the shard in the beginning, go into the water instead and jump down there
final mist
You can skip the bastards on the left after jumping down from the worm boss too,just hug the right wall
sick sentinel
what happens if i have entangling , and then , i hit avatar which , "removes all roots and snares"
final mist
Does the circle/tether disappear
dusky canopy
it removes it
sick sentinel
how do i know what a roots and snare is apart from anything else like a slow or stun or daze even
dusky canopy
had it happen randomly all day today while playing
well not randomly but like when im sending ava on cooldown sometimes it works out
icy atlas
On the third boss you can cheese behind some eggs in the back to stop getting dragged
Fourth boss applies a dot whenever he moves
minor forge
Anything for first boss there
Rest seems a breeze as a tank, but first one is a hot mess
sick sentinel
which one, this is final boss
i know he like, gets a hammer and there is tons of fire, but thats about it on that fight
mighty valley
big add spawns, fixates on someone, they need to walk it onto the crystal spikes to stun it
you can help by making sure it spawns near/on top of the spikes
i believe it spawns on the boss's left
but at the very least don't run a million miles away from crystals
fresh igloo
Anything for first boss there
Rest seems a breeze as a tank, but first one is a ...
just taunt the little adds to you t ocontrol the puddles they leave when they die. when the ground is covered in crystal it does damage if you move.
dusky canopy
kinda thinking ill go for VP too
toxic pewter
and of course the BEACON is goat trinket
dusky canopy
yeah but like raiding
toxic pewter
once you go beacon you cant go back
dusky canopy
LOL
strong forum
normal raid is enough to clear
you can upgraden normal raid gear to 437, heroic to 441
so you barely lose out on anything
dusky canopy
true farming the normal one is prob worth
toxic pewter
beacon is like 'nuclear launch detected' from starcraft every 2.5 minutes
minor forge
just taunt the little adds to you t ocontrol the puddles they leave when they di...
Thanks
It was kinda messy so will try to clean it up a bit in future runs
left basalt
wooo
toxic pewter
@sick sentinel oh btw those little mobs at the start of lair actually bolster other mobs when they die, so be really careful
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
the route i have listed is this
toxic pewter
seems good enough
strong forum
just do 16 in 2 pulls
final mist
That's also the one I suggested to skip
strong forum
dont do 9
sonic path
Is there a updated Spell reflect WA?
final mist
Can cut out some stuff, if you skip 16 by hugging the right you do end up pulling that smaller pack
final mist
Smaller keys are but practice for higher ones
strong forum
pressing W is plenty for 20s
tropic gorge
Smaller keys are but practice for higher ones
Agreed
dusky canopy
I prefer to hold my W
prisma crane
also someone mentioned avalanche, afaik it's never on the tank, just dont stand w/ melee
prisma crane
and if ppl move they can avoid it but requires you to almost always be moving
prisma crane
the frontal is always on tank
the small ones cant be avoided, the boss one can be sidestepped at least
that dot from the trash rocks hurts
strong forum
you can sidestep the small ones too
prisma crane
they followed me when i tried
strong forum
avalanche?
prisma crane
no, that doesnt hit tank
final mist
also someone mentioned avalanche, afaik it's never on the tank, just dont stand ...
You say this but every DH I've ever played with has decided to be magnetically attached to me at the hip
strong forum
it does.
prisma crane
talking about the blue frontal thing from the trash before 2nd boss
strong forum
its a frontal and the aoe that lands on dps
thats piercing shards
that one you cant avoid
prisma crane
yea that im saying hurts
didnt know avalanche had a frontal, never noticed anything scary from em tbh
though i default point shit away from the group anyways, makes it easier to watch them too if i need to call out stuff
strong forum
its not blockable, so it will become an issue if you dont sidestep it in high keys
prisma crane
good to know
warm plinth
This was a confusing conversation
sick sentinel
im so lucky. Set in vault, set in Lfr giving me 4 set and now this in a 17
rolled with indestructable 🙂
strong forum
sad that we cant get indestructible on crafted shield
that one saves a ton of money
oak heart
if you're a blacksmith you can repair your own shield
sick sentinel
@strong forum
main locust
Can you block/parry while "casting" Beacon to the Beyond?
sick sentinel
who needs indestructible, when you can just repair it for no cost?
theres a short cast to it, but i love that thing
cinder nova
Can you block/parry while "casting" Beacon to the Beyond?
Probably not. Couldn't block/dodge/parry with Grieftorch, so
chrome falcon
got 4pc 
dusky canopy
gz
chrome falcon
did like 4% of my damage on a single target fight that lasted 4.5 minutes
but if it procs at the right time in m+ that's gonna be pretty giga
dusky canopy
any must knows?
chrome falcon
never pull ticks
silk sandal
Is having two damage trinkets without main stat sketch for survivability?
chrome falcon
don't overpull in 2nd boss room
have kicks down for the curse guys before+after third boss
cunning knot
Are we aiming for bloodborne alongside Fueled with Violence or naw?
daring marlin
any must knows?
Intervene can be useful for trash around crawg
The timer is super forgiving
sick sentinel
how my NL is going
toxic pewter
nice
urban bane
has anyone tried using intervene to intercept marked for butchery in brackenhide hollow? Or the vicious clawmangle fixate which the other little shitters do in the trash before that fight?
patent saddle
is the crit now more prio then vers on prot war ?
sick sentinel
i didnt learn anything really, but the healer got angry and we timed it
something happened before the snake boss and a bunch of worms appeared behind us
raw parcel
Sad to say goodbye to my lariat ;~;
tepid lion
at what point do i replace lariat
cinder nova
I may be crazy, but does SS take over priorty in AOE during 4p?
It's hitting harder than TC and Rev for me atm
sick sentinel
that dungeon is mostly awful i reckon
cinder nova
So I assume yes, and you just tap them to keep bleeds
sick sentinel
wont have fun doing it on a 20
cinder nova
at what point do i replace lariat
When you can get an item with shadowflame patch
final mist
something happened before the snake boss and a bunch of worms appeared behind us
One of the mobs before that will spawn a little grub. Stun the grub and worms won't spawn.
chrome falcon
@strong forum do you know anything about our class trinket? i had a nearly 5 minute encounter where it procced ✨ once ✨
final mist
The worms in those packs also burrow under the ground and reappear elsewhere.
chrome falcon
so i'm not sure if it's just garbage or what
cinder nova
<@192743144276623360> do you know anything about our class trinket? i had a near...
I've heard rumblings they were busted and one of my raid officers exclaimed they "fixed" it, but I have no idea what that means.
chrome falcon
one proc in 4:40 though
when it should theoretically proc from shield charge, ravager, TR, TC, and revenge
is just absurd
strong forum
they were once busted cuz they were hasted
but its 2rppm iirc
so uh
you just got MAD unlucky
chrome falcon
warm plinth
never pull ticks
I do what I want
strong forum
thats the dogshit beauty of rppm
7 procs in 1 min, 0 procs for 7
and you just got 1 proc in 5
warm plinth
Remember the amazingness of Infinite Stars differentiating the top parse based on who got that one extra proc
chrome falcon
guess i should start leaping on CD when i'm in melee range for procs???
strong forum
Remember the amazingness of Infinite Stars differentiating the top parse based o...
currently its not much different with some trinkets and with the rings
there area parses where ring does 100% more dmg than someone elses
warm plinth
Feelsbad
chrome falcon
my paladin who is also wearing this trinket had 3 procs in the same time i had one which also feels like pretty shitty uptime for him
strong forum
cuz ✨ rng ✨
strong forum
i tilt too much in TM
strong forum
yeah but dont steer too much or youll drift/lose speed
daring marlin
thats the dogshit beauty of rppm
member when they first really added rppm trinkets in mop and if they didn't pop in your opener you did significantly less damage? good times
strong forum
but also wiggle steer to gain speed and keep somewhat traction
daring marlin
I love that shit
strong forum
but not on ice!
strong forum
member when they first really added rppm trinkets in mop and if they didn't pop ...
i was pvp main until mid-legion
daring marlin
oic
strong forum
so uh, i do actually not know
final mist
member when they first really added rppm trinkets in mop and if they didn't pop ...
I do remember this
strong forum
m+ is what turned me into pve andy
final mist
I was an aff lock at the beginning of MoP
the fucking worst rng imaginable
(they nerfed GoSac into the ground and I promptly became a warrior again because I despise pets)
strong forum
mop/wod demo was peak warlock
daring marlin
KJC/gosac
undone verge
Man these mobs need nerfs lol, Icelance hitting for 370k through mitigation
daring marlin
mighty knoll
god i love last stand
daring marlin
Man these mobs need nerfs lol, Icelance hitting for 370k through mitigation
What key level is that? cuz damn
proper roost
why are there like three crit mastery m+ shields
strong forum
Earthen smash
proper roost
madge
strong forum
why are there like three crit mastery m+ shields
I crafted neck today for the same reason
daring marlin
why are there like three crit mastery m+ shields
They're all crit/mast or crit/vers.
strong forum
So I don't have to deal with shit neck syndrome
proper roost
can't use my sparks on shield so i'm cursed with bad itemized shield
fluid beacon
proper roost
strong forum
Have you pressed last stand?
fluid beacon
yes
strong forum
Do you have 4pc equipped
rustic tinsel
Can u link the log perhaps
strong forum
Link log
raw parcel
4 set already? Damn
fluid beacon
fluid beacon
i see it in my details in the M+ keys i just did
but in raid it never casts it
super weird
i cant make the log public. not my log
but i have it equipped... i press LS of course
warm plinth
@fluid beacon It's in the drop down next to Shield Slam my friend
fluid beacon
ahh
warm plinth
daring marlin
big brain ghash
strong forum
xeph has been implementing them over the last tier
fluid beacon
coolio
strong forum
told em to slam em together into 1
warm plinth
Not quite sure if I agree with Earthen Smash being included in Shield Slam tbh
frigid crystal
They're becoming very common. Actually such a great idea.
fluid beacon
id love to see whenever the buff is up tbh
strong forum
its the same source
warm plinth
But it doesn't matter anyway
warm plinth
I have one on my rogue. Not a huge fan of it
Does okay damage; just annoying to use since you have to make sure you don't get hit
toxic pewter
beacon 6-7k dps
sick sentinel
healer said to me
i still have alot of questions about that dungeon, seems easy enough though
undone verge
What key level is that? cuz damn
19
warm plinth
i still have alot of questions about that dungeon, seems easy enough though
What dungeon?
warm plinth
What did you pull when they said that
granite pond
Lots of damage going out you can’t always control there
warm plinth
Just curious if it actually is your fault or if they're bad
dusky canopy
They’re probably dieing to the pelters and the falling rocks or the avalanche frontals
Pretty much all there own problems
strong forum
lots of mobs do random group dmg
dusky canopy
Pelter is mostly healer issue
strong forum
nothing you can do about it as tank
same with the worms teleporting to the ranged players
thats an intended mechanic
granite pond
Pelters are fully ccable so dps can have some agency there
The worms will drop aggro when they burrow and move so that is something you can be aware of
undone verge
Fuckin' ouch
The packs before first boss slap, need to do some kiting there
With 4 set I’d run in LS, be invincible for around 30 seconds, SW then run out
warm plinth
Pelters are are overtuned, just like they were in Legion
At least there are less of htem now
daring marlin
The packs before first boss slap, need to do some kiting there
I'll see how it feels if I get into a 19-20 HoI tonight.
daring marlin
Pelters are are overtuned, just like they were in Legion
Just get threat, have the dps slow 'em and kite forever! cuz that's fuckin' fun.
said nobody ever
warm plinth
Yeah, that was super fun in Legion for sure
cinder nova
They’re probably dieing to the pelters and the falling rocks or the avalanche fr...
Avalache frontal we control
Not a healer issue.
warm plinth
Yep
cinder nova
if you're facing it away and they walk into it, sure, but if you're cleaving your group that's a hard throw
warm plinth
And no one should be getting hit by Avalanche, especially with the added visual
daring marlin
pretty sure BW does a countdown for avalanche too lol
warm plinth
You don't run Unnerving Focus in keys
vocal verge
How are you all dealing with the frontal from the vile shard hulks in NL this week? They’ve been getting 3 casts off in my groups
warm plinth
I also wouldn't drop imp wall
undone verge
UF is actually insane in keys tho
warm plinth
It's really not
warm plinth
How are you all dealing with the frontal from the vile shard hulks in NL this we...
Personally I've been handling it by being salty as fuck that Blizzard made them unCCable
vocal verge
🤣 yeah because it is otherwise over tuned
daring marlin
I’d take UF over a shield wall talent any day
I dunno, man. That's a lot of lost SW usages.
undone verge
I’d drop disrupting before I dropped UF
undone verge
Cause pugs can’t find their interrupts
It’s just an oh shit button for when pugs don’t kick
I might honestly drop disrupting and battering ram and pick up punish and impenetrable
warm plinth
idk dude that build is scuffed. No punish, no imp wall
vocal verge
I feel like our 2 stuns and kick are enough stops for the most part
undone verge
Not for fortified HoI
torn gulch
and fear that acts as a mass kick
warm plinth
He's not running Intimidating Shout
torn gulch
with shockwave, stormbolt and intimidating i am doing more than enough as a tank
in the way of stops
proper roost
lmfao holy shit if you're a fury warrior with 2x 441s you get discounts on both 1h weapon and the shield
i thought it was only gonna discount the weapon
undone verge
Dps don’t do nearly enough for stops so unless it’s a premade you need the help
proper roost
or maybe that's just with one 2h
daring marlin
lmfao holy shit if you're a fury warrior with 2x 441s you get discounts on both ...
Better than that-if you upgrade a single 2h, yeah
warm plinth
Yeah it's because it costs double to upgrade a 2h, so it makes it fair for them and it's a nice side effect for us
torn gulch
Dps don’t do nearly enough for stops so unless it’s a premade you need the help
that is their problem
when i check cc done and intrerupts i am a lot of the times way way in front
i more than do my job with that if dps can't use their kit it's on them
daring marlin
Coconut is saying they need the stops to hard carry the key, but I'm a bit dubious on disrupting doing that.
Int shout probably a better point for that
granite pond
Different tree. And honestly some pugs are so bad I take both
heavy sinew
whats the most amount of dungeons yall have gone without any loot?
like looted by yourself
granite pond
Recently?
heavy sinew
couse im at 8 dungeons now and icba
torn gulch
had more than 10 multiple times
granite pond
5 or 6?
torn gulch
even more than 15
heavy sinew
rly?
torn gulch
i remember once
daring marlin
Different tree. And honestly some pugs are so bad I take both
It is a different tree, hence why I said it's a better point. Right side more valuable. Keep up.
chrome falcon
hold up even with bolster and a last stand on CD playstyle, UF is still not good?
that's nuts
true delta
What's our best embellishment for m+? is it still 2x shadowflame ?
granite pond
That or flame/frostfire belt
true delta
also one more question, I already have 441 shield, is it worth crafting a 447 one ?
warm plinth
also one more question, I already have 441 shield, is it worth crafting a 447 on...
I probably wouldn't put quite as much rush on it but it is worth it at some point.
proud patrol
In trash pulls are you guys using the potion of shocking disclosure or the normal ultimate power potion?
vocal garden
thanks i was searching this all day (Y)
errant aurora
Do i have to press shield block when im not tanking boss for the shield slam dmg component from it?
warm plinth
Ideally, yes, but make sure you have enough Shield Block left when you take the boss back
Shouldn't really be an issue since we run bolster now
errant aurora
Ty, but do we want to play that talent that gives 50 more rage in last stand
raw parcel
Is Bolster something we should run before we get the new tier?
strong forum
No
hexed pumice
is there a WA for Ularogg Cragshaper`s Sunder ability?
a timer for it
so i can reflect
marble cipher
got my 2k token, have tier gloves in bags, what tier should I take (chest for stats?)
Or, rather which tier do we avoid?
mighty knoll
chaos grapnel feel like shit to you guys too? It's fine for agro on pull but idk
errant leaf
is shadowflame embellish also top in m+ ?
warm plinth
got my 2k token, have tier gloves in bags, what tier should I take (chest for st...
Shoulders are the only kinda meh piece I think now? I think all the rest have haste after the last rework, assuming wowhead is right
dusky canopy
Avalache frontal we control
Yea but not people standing where you are
warm plinth
a timer for it
Problem with sunder is that his spellqueue is not consistent, so even with a timer, you aren't guaranteed to spell reflect it.
hexed pumice
Shoulders are the only kinda meh piece I think now? I think all the rest have h...
legs are crit/versa
fresh igloo
Problem with sunder is that his spellqueue is not consistent, so even with a tim...
i just had that problem literally just now lol
hexed pumice
Problem with sunder is that his spellqueue is not consistent, so even with a tim...
yeah i wasnt able to identify when he were gonna use it
fluid beacon
Does okay damage; just annoying to use since you have to make sure you don't get...
I meant to figure this out. so you getting hit counts towards the 5 targets hit ye?
marble cipher
Shoulders are the only kinda meh piece I think now? I think all the rest have h...
yeah, shoulders is indeed haste/mast
even though they're slightly higher ilvl
warm plinth
I meant to figure this out. so you getting hit counts towards the 5 targets hit...
It does, yes
marble cipher
Sorry 😄
warm plinth
Oh so wowhead's stats are not updated for some reason on the tier
heavy sinew
is our best stats (generally speaking) haste crit or haste versa?
heavy sinew
so either works?
marble cipher
either or yeah
I guess when you're pushing really high, the vers edges out over the crit
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer perch
Is there a specific breakpoint?
daring marlin
Nope
warm plinth
Crit is a defensive stat as well
daring marlin
Don't overthink stats
warm plinth
And you get more of it than you do vers
Stats are not going to matter in the grand scheme of things
heavy sinew
are we ever gonna swap out onyx anullet it seems to provide sooo much dmg
cinder nova
I mean, yeah, but it's not nearly as bad as it sounds
You could CE with a mastery heavy build
It'd just be miserable to play
The reason ilvl is king is twofold
The big one is that primary stat, armor, stamina, all basically heads and shoulders over our secondaries
The other reason is that our secondaries are very, very close together, but distinct enough in value that we can still target gear
summer perch
Gotcha, thank you
wet atlas
Is there a way to look in log to see if someone is rage/energy/shard capped?
modern brook
Resources tab should show a timeline of resource generation
One of the data views has wasted statistics idr if it's events or table tho
dusty basin
why does wowhead guide still show brutal vitality instead of fueled by violence? just not updated or any deeper reason that I might be missing?
chilly brook
why does wowhead guide still show brutal vitality instead of fueled by violence?...
Wowhead guide is done by llarold iirc
He’s not a warrior main
He comes in and lurks I think but usually not always the most accurate guide as such
dusty basin
I see, thanks!
so probably unaware of the change to fbv
dusky canopy
Yeah icey veins is where it’s at
chilly brook
Good guy though
It’s usually like 80% or more of the way there
But they are just starting points at the end of the day
dusky canopy
It’s nice to have two points of reference right
dusty basin
exactly
dusky canopy
Mwahi does icey veins and he’s fairly active around here
uneven mason
We give Lllarroldddld a hard time because his BFA warrior guide read like someone who was maining a monk
and didn't grasp concepts like 'pressing buttons to not die'
warm plinth
why does wowhead guide still show brutal vitality instead of fueled by violence?...
It really doesn't matter which of those talents you take anyway
uneven mason
why does wowhead guide still show brutal vitality instead of fueled by violence?...
I mean, literally don't overthink that talent point...especially that talent point
it's there as a gateway
If we could pick option C. SKIP for 1 point you legitimately wouldn't notice a difference unless you have one of those window lickers who posts healing meters throwing it at you
uneven mason
I'm big excited though, they're finally fixing guardian druids in 10.1.5
You can obtain Dream of Cenarius
raw parcel
I miss my old 4 set bonus. 😭
uneven mason
and...oh wait, no, this just in, they're nerfing the DPS to healing conversion on PoTP
Sorry, bears still dead
uneven mason
Because bears can't cast Regrowth.....
But you're not wrong
at the same time
literally every endcap in the druid class tree is absolute shit
uneven mason
HoTW, Avatar on a 5 minute cooldown
That's all PoTP is
Because NV is single target only
so it does nothing for Raze/Thrash
at least regrowth it's on a 20s CD rather than a 90second CD
But no seriously the change they're making letsy ou go UF/Raze and have RoTS and UG
stable solstice
is 4 piece from s1 worth keeping if i can upgrade a bunch of non tier pieces?
stable solstice
like 418 vs 437 new gear
uneven mason
start upgrading
If you were arms I'd say Nah man, that's LITERALLY 10% of your DPS
but for prot, eh, 4p nah
warm plinth
I'd give up 4pc for like any upgrade really because it doesn't give damage lol
You can always sim for when to drop 2pc
sudden sable
New 2pc prob worth giving up so you can grab bolster/ into the fray and still keep SB near 100%
Unnerving focus feels nice too but IDK what I'd want to drop to get it. I've been using it in dungeons where bleeds scare me.
cinder nova
New 2pc prob worth giving up so you can grab bolster/ into the fray and still ke...
New 2p is the only reason we take Bolster.
sudden sable
Right. Which is why I said it's worth dropping old 4pc...
undone verge
Old 4p is worth dropping like immediately for non tier cause all it does is improve our surv a little bit, doesn’t do anything for dps
warm plinth
New 2pc prob worth giving up so you can grab bolster/ into the fray and still ke...
This reads as if you meant to give up new 2pc
undone verge
Unnerving focus feels nice too but IDK what I'd want to drop to get it. I've bee...
But yeah UF is a sleeper choice imo, feels super fun and nice for packs. Definitely makes packs with heavy non physical dmg super ez. Personally I’m dropping Battering ram and Disrupting to grab UF and Impen wall.
Then going up to grab punish
sudden sable
I guess I'm on drugs. That is exactly how it reads. Not what I meant 🙃
undone verge
It reads weird cause there’s nothing to relate what you’re giving up, the only other thing in that sentence would be the new 2 piece
It would sound better if you said with the new 2 piece it’s prob worth giving up _____ to pickup bolster/itf
sudden sable
CBA to proofread my shit at work. Glad y'all managed to correct/parse my statement lol.
vital arch
Which m+ runs have we been valuing spell block in this season?
marble cipher
Neltharions Lair
Neltharus (for two packs, but, worth it on fort)
If it's got "Nelth" in the name, Spell Block is the game 😉
vital arch
Perfect hahaha I’ll try and be aware next time I run those, still trying to nail down Spell Reflects for this season
last boss in lair is insane tho
marble cipher
I think it's more important in Neltharus than Lair though
but, the spreadsheet will help with "why" and "when"
warm plinth
I don't know why I would even run Spell Block in Lair. You only have to fight two hulks
marble cipher
yeah, I think I have it mixed up with spell reflect being awesome for that dungeon on the bosses
marble cipher
last boss in lair is insane tho
last boss got a lot better though, with the nerf (and the fact that it's fort week this week ofc)
placing the add instantly on a crystal is a pro move that will save a lot of dmg taken
vital arch
Oh I meant for spell reflect, but yeah I’ve gotten fairly good at that last boss. Baiting the add spawn with dps stacking
proud tide
should I ever drop Onyx Annulet?
urban portal
Not for a long while
marble cipher
It's simming best for me still, with some gear upgrades already
But, the general comment here is that it stays bis if you're "not that good of a prot warrior"
So, I'll take my loss and just think of myself as not that good of a prot player till I get a max level ring and give up on Annulet
marble cipher
for now it seems Eranog ring + Annulet will be with me for a while
warm plinth
@urban portal what's the story behind your name?
urban portal
Not much story
crude notch
What is BT WA?
urban portal
I’m not shitting on the person who made the WA
I just find it funny how people spend hours making complex weakauras for rotations when hekili does it for you
9.1 boomkins one was the funniest example
urban portal
What is BT WA?
A weakaura that tracks when to spend fury tier set
twin bramble
It's simming best for me still, with some gear upgrades already
But, the general...
Haha. My thoughts exactly. Can’t get myself to not put higher ilevel in slot
fast knot
Bless, nice change for Wardens in Neltharus
weary python
What are the advantages of 2x shadowflame armor patch vs 1x armor patch and frostfire belt?
warm plinth
Nothing really
I guess you can choose the stats on both pieces
Instead of being stuck with frostfire's stats
weary python
Frostfire isn't a better dps throughput?
deep cairn
is there a specific way to optimize your damage as prot? trying to find some info on it but i know it's a nicche thing. just looking to get the most out of it in dungeons
crude notch
Frostfire isn't a better dps throughput?
Sims different for everyone sometimes it's 0 sometimes it's a couple hundred DPS either way it's insignificant difference
warm plinth
is there a specific way to optimize your damage as prot? trying to find some inf...
Run the correct build, press the correct buttons. Not sure what you're looking for other than that.
daring marlin
@undone verge No trash in HoI hits like the trash in Neltharus.
Also thanks @shut summit backstepping that drake breath is way easier than I thought it was gonna be.
crude notch
just step back 4head
warm plinth
What drake breath
daring marlin
oceanic breath
warm plinth
Oh, yeah it's similar to cragmaw indigestion but even easier to dodge because it's half a second longer
daring marlin
It looks WAY bigger than it actually is too.
Just barely missed the timer on a 20. Big sadge.
Fire mages suck
undone verge
Nelth trash def hurts, was owning me on a 15
freehold trash is also nasty. Its weird its like pull one pack its ez, 2 packs is insane
toxic pewter
Just got wrecked hard in uldaman 19.. anyone else?
summer perch
Wait you can dodge cragmaw breath?
Thought it followed you, do you backstep that one too
crude notch
you can leap or sidestep, sidestep is obviously dangerous if timed wrong.
warm plinth
Thought it followed you, do you backstep that one too
Watch timer, at around 1 second, start strafing away from him. Keep going until cast finishes. Profit
Keyword is away. I don't know of a sidestep tactic
icy atlas
which of these two belts is better? one has socket one has speed
heady stratus
Is there an aura or addon that warns in text when the aggro of the boss is in transition?
twin bramble
Is there an aura or addon that warns in text when the aggro of the boss is in tr...
If you mean when someone is close to stealing aggro. Try this. Turns health bar green if you have strong aggro, yellow if you’re close to losing it and red if you lost it. Also gives good signals for interrupts. https://wago.io/1ZozQnKxj
twin bramble
Sims different for everyone sometimes it's 0 sometimes it's a couple hundred DPS...
Which two pieces do you craft shadow flame on? Molten defender makes sense, can’t put on weapon and the other two in wowhead (wrist and frostfire belt) already come with embellishment.
warm plinth
Well, if you put it on shield, then you can put it on a non-frostfire belt so...
There is a non-embellished crafted belt as well
crude notch
my right earbud is no working ghash save me
crude notch
thankfully i have 4 headsets to solve this travesty
crude notch
Have you tried hitting it on something
didn't work, heck.
warm plinth
Stupid uncooperative technology
heady stratus
If you mean when someone is close to stealing aggro. Try this. Turns health bar ...
my plater already does that. But I need something like my pj says "Aggro in transition" or something, so that my other tank notices.
I'm taking the aggro off the other tank right before the switch mechanic and I'm dying xd
crude notch
tell them to git gud
toxic pewter
oops wrong channel
uneven mason
I'm taking the aggro off the other tank right before the switch mechanic and I'm...
I mean...are they pressing buttons?
You don't need an addon you need a cotank with more than 2 fingers
heady stratus
He's good, but he plays a lot around defense. I guess I'll have to talk to him
pale hill
Was looking at the gearing guide on WoWhead, didn't mention Forgestorm. Is the loss of str good considering the proc it gives?
tame jasper
Does anyone knows if the WA for the Ularogg minigame from Legion times still work? Nnoggies deos not (as he mentioned in the descripton=
uneven mason
He's good, but he plays a lot around defense. I guess I'll have to talk to him
What class are they
thin silo
Does anyone knows if the WA for the Ularogg minigame from Legion times still wor...
I'm pretty sure blizzard disabled the backend functionality required for anything like this to work anymore
at the very least, mine died as well and there's nothing on wago.io from this year
warm plinth
I assume they used a hidden aura for it (which is the tech they announced would be a thing in 10.1) so you can't use a WA for it.
I use a secret tech called my eyes
heady stratus
What class are they
monk
tame jasper
I use a secret tech called my eyes
was using this myself 😉 big thing
crude notch
yikers
warm plinth
I thought you said he was good
heady stratus
He have more IO than me and push high keys
warm plinth
😬
crude notch
He have more IO than me and push high keys
what's his IO?
heady stratus
what's his IO?
2.5k
heady stratus
nah is a visual bug
crude notch
The visual bug was showing 443 not 405 lol
crude notch
still why he playing like a chicken.
warm plinth
You can just share the log with us 👀 click here and give the link
ionic fern
Who're we stalking?
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
I suppose so. I'm quite bored but it should be a pretty decent day at work
onyx vessel
Mwahis warrior 
ionic fern
?
ionic fern
It's paid in having something to read during morning coffee.
Especially when new prot class changes come out.
And people come in with hot takes.
onyx vessel
jagged pier
Especially when new prot class changes come out.
When dis tho
Like for real for real
prisma crane
pretty sure thats an arms talent
crude notch
One thing I hate about the prot pally meta is it enables dps that don't interrupt
warm plinth
I didn't even know other people had interrupts to be honest. I thought I just did them all on my pally
potent gulch
Especially when new prot class changes come out.
WHERE ?!
giv back 20% crit dmg. where big SS hits 😭
urban portal
pretty sure thats an arms talent
yeah it is
so they did take it away in DF
and also nerfed execute hard baseline
prisma crane
yea, just feels like it should be a strong button to hit if we're sacrificing as much rage as we are to use it
i know that rage levels are why they nerfed it in the first place
but seems so bland to hit now
urban portal
prot execute used to be stronger than arms
for a long while
especially since prot has more rage
prisma crane
yea but mostly because it was the same button and we just had more rage to spend
now they have talents to make it better
delicate flame
Is into the fray always better than heavy repercussion for mythic +. Ive always been playing the latter but now it seems everybody plays into the fray?
prisma crane
ITF eventually just scales better anyways but
w/ new tier, you want to take bolster
which also makes up for a lot of the SB uptime we lose going ITF instead of HR
delicate flame
ye that makes sense
fresh igloo
Is into the fray always better than heavy repercussion for mythic +. Ive always ...
just make sure you have the new tier bonuses before you use the new build
once you have the tier 30 set bonuses, then yeah you switch it up to bolster and ITF
(builds in the pins)
delicate flame
yup got it
round socket
what's everyone targetting for a neck to replace this POS Lariat?
misty sail
idk in Uldaman my prot feels weak
the bleed adds
alot of tank dmg in the first section
toxic pewter
Yah it’s uldaman is difficult for me too. Lots of magic damage too
The caster mobs just annoying as hell
torn gulch
what's everyone targetting for a neck to replace this POS Lariat?
Another crafted one or a crit haste neck
round socket
crafted means set back shadowflame back a week ye?
warm plinth
Well neck shouldn't be your priority anyway
round socket
this is current bagged one
sonic moon
is there a spell block list anywhere for this patch
warm plinth
It's in the FAQ
covert topaz
so with into the frey i end up on 47% haste, think its worth dropping and just going Heavy rep?
jagged pier
nope
quasi lintel
What can I change here to take AoE interrupt on Challenging Shout 😦
jagged pier
u have it its call intimidating shout
quasi lintel
I picked up punish bc i realize how much dmg shield slam is gonna be doing
but i had to sacrifice Disrupting Shout
jagged pier
which u dont need
u already have enough stops
the rest of the group can cover other stuff
quasi lintel
It doesnt work the same as an interrupt where they wont cast in that school for however many seconds though
also not on gcd
jagged pier
right that doesnt matter
when the group has 4-5 intuprts
a lot of stuns
and fears
frozen rose
i been out of crafting game for a moment. so according to the pins, belt boots wrists, and have embelishment shadowflame, is the move, well one of the best moves anyway. so the base item is still the same type as tier 1? Same items as before, its just the various power items/embellishments we put into them are different. correct?
quasi lintel
you're right I'll just suck it up and use Int shout better
covert topaz
Think ive only ever use disrupting shout on Raz myth / Dathia
never really found a use for it else where
jagged pier
thasts where it was useful in those niche scenarios
raven zealot
pretty dumb question, but how bad would it be for me to gem / enchant mast-haste
warm plinth
so with into the frey i end up on 47% haste, think its worth dropping and just g...
Into the Fray is amazing because a.) it gets better the more haste you have, and b.) it's not rating, which means it doesn't count toward, nor is it affected by diminishing returns.
covert topaz
Into the Fray is amazing because a.) it gets better the more haste you have, and...
Ahhh did not know it didnt get affected by DR
ty for advice
scenic mural
i had thought the token of mastery was account wide?
scenic mural
rip, was a bug first week then
crude notch
no
heady jetty
421 unstable ffb with socket vs. 431 belt no embellishment?
warm plinth
Sim it, but probably the frostfire belt
dry spear
how do u deal with the bombs on zskarn hc? with 11 claw debuff + one bomb soak i am getting trucked. i have massiv problems soaking them clean. how do u deal with them?
dry spear
alright. we did that then. but my monk tank just said "it can't be that a prot warrior cannot soak them" and i thought i did something wrong. but maybe this is the only way for a prot.
old stream
Looking for some help, ive got a fury warrior atm that im wanting to switch up to prot, i dont have any sparks left to craft anything. What would be the best recommendation? run m+ and set loot to prot or wait for more sparks?
tired girder
After the frog boss of halls how you deal with the frontal on the proton dragon?
I am new to prot and doing only 8 ATM but everytime the frontal hit me gives me lot of damage. I am using shield block and ignore pain. Any tips for them? Because there are several on that space
jagged pier
Looking for some help, ive got a fury warrior atm that im wanting to switch up t...
i mean if u have a shield u are already good to go
tired girder
We can range out for less damage? Nice tip.
Spell reflection Helps too? Because spell block as a longer cool down for them all
jagged pier
SR will help
tired girder
Thank you
old stream
i mean if u have a shield u are already good to go
Nope i dont have a shield litterally 2 2h weapons only 😦
jagged pier
well u can run m+ for a shield but farming gear from m+ is umm not good
old stream
My thinking is to just run m+ for the gear and then if i dont get it i use the spark next week to craft one, i do have 1 spark from last season left over
I do have these i could restore actually
raven zealot
dont think its worth restoring a 330 shield
you can get a boe shield on the ah for cheap
on my server at least the 376 ones are only 1k
lime urchin
Would you mind explaining this a bit more? The frontal follows you right?
old stream
you can get a boe shield on the ah for cheap
Why didnt i think of this haha
raven zealot
dw, i always forgetting about the most obvious things :p
sleek current
alright. we did that then. but my monk tank just said "it can't be that a prot w...
My Prog has 5 paladins. They deal with it. I don't have to touch the bombs and can just focus on boss position and staying alive. Sounds like your raid could be helping you out better.
jagged pier
Would you mind explaining this a bit more? The frontal _follows_ you right?
i dunno sense said it but form that it has a range so press your backpeddle key
lime urchin
Hm I see, well I’ll try it and see what happens
raven zealot
talisman of the cragshaper is pretty much just a better treemouths right?
crude notch
Would you mind explaining this a bit more? The frontal _follows_ you right?
Just step backwards. Nothing much to explain.
lime urchin
Just step backwards. Nothing much to explain.
So that works? You can outrange it? Nice
lime urchin
Great, thank you
crude notch
cloud hazel
Hi, 421 item level here. Been struggling a bit with Zskarn HC: any advice about the number of maximum stacks of the dot and maybe some useful talents to keep me alive?
My co-tank is a Demon Hunter, if this can help.
charred ivy
we go bolster already at 2 set i guess?
jade breach
Hey Guys. I´m just playing M+ and i was wondering about my Embellishments. Faq says 2x Shadowflame Armor Patch or 1x Shadowflame Armor Patch and Unstable Frostfire Belt. Do you guys have any advice on which combo i should going for? Thanks in advance 🙂
lilac jay
Last pack in vortex kinda overtuned with 2x AOE happening kinda asap after one another? Any tips? Was 20 and Team got demolished. Or is it idiet dps not using personals?
jagged pier
Hey Guys. I´m just playing M+ and i was wondering about my Embellishments. Faq s...
theres literally no difference really take your preference
jade breach
theres literally no difference really take your preference
thank you
oblique kayak
Last pack in vortex kinda overtuned with 2x AOE happening kinda asap after one ...
we BL that pack
it’s basically the new TJS pack
lilac jay
yeah its even more insane because it affects the whole group and not only tank 😄
u can CC one of the side mobs but the 2 aoe casting suckers...
cunning knot
anyone with a good Last Stand weakaura? Both the LS and the following 4 set buff timer
dusty monolith
Last pack in vortex kinda overtuned with 2x AOE happening kinda asap after one ...
we did that key at 19 and overtimed by 6 minutes because that pack took many tries. ended up lusting it and barely survived with all cds, kinda sus and need to focus the caliph. if they bolster and do their unavoidable aoe it was
waxen cove
is there a tool to analyze mythic+ runs after you complete them to learn about your tanking? i am looking at deatils! deaths but it's kinda hard to learn from that for me. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
jagged pier
logs
waxen cove
can you elaborate that a bit?
jagged pier
How do i log ?
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hard vine
yo guys, do u still use lariat?
im trying to find a better neck , but dont know, i lose a lot of ver
hard vine
makes u tanky no ?
jagged pier
vers is only good when u can get alot of it like in BFA S4 other than that u cant reach any meaningful amounts of vers to do anything
that 15% vers u have is like 7.5% damage reduction which is nothing at all
hard vine
i only have 20% , but difficult to get a lot more actually
jagged pier
so 20% is 10% damage reduction
which really does nothing
youll get more out of other stats like haste
hard vine
do u recomend any trinket?
jagged pier
the ones in the pins