protection

[rose orchid]

prot war brez? yell in their dead face "WAKE UP YOU'RE NOT DONE YET"

[jagged pier]

no skill expression in the class anymore

[crude notch]

you'd be in trouble if there was

[jagged pier]

[rose orchid]

I thought the charge intervene meta of s3 of shadowlands was fun but overall current prot war is so much smoother feeling

[jagged pier]

brah that was in the first patch on SLs

came in the .5 patch

[rose orchid]

well with the double legendaries i mean

[crude notch]

huh

[jagged pier]

literally didnt change anything expect u got more rage because of banner

didnt change the charge intervene thing

[rose orchid]

oh yeah ok

[echo egret]

That's me trying to Storm Bolt the cast on normal difficulty

[rose orchid]

i misremember

[jagged pier]

🤷

[limpid anchor]

the backpaddle :<

[jagged pier]

backpeddling is fine

S key very strong this season

[echo egret]

One less stun to worry about.

[quasi lintel]

you're lying that I should be building crit instead of vers...

you have to be..

i'm gonna kms

[jagged pier]

u dont have

to

its prefernce

but your vers isnt gunna save u

but parrying that boss mechanic can

like searing blows in RLP last season parrable

[rose orchid]

i feel your pain brother

[crimson hornet]

you heard him boys, vers is useless. crit is better then haste. go ham. (it's a joke im sorry lol)

[quasi lintel]

I'm fake experienced at this game boys and need some advice. Can I get a TLDR of the mechanic behind dodge/parry/block?

[jagged pier]

i didnt say crit was better than haste

[crimson hornet]

100% quote ./s

[chrome falcon]

with 447 shield we just open as fury right

the vault that is

[quasi lintel]

Cause I thoguth parry was only for auto attacks but people kept saying to use the Dancing Rune Weapon for certain mechanics so now I'm thinking I don't know anything

[jagged pier]

dodge and parry u take no damage block is reduced by your block chance

[warm plinth]

Crit probably IS better than haste for straight damage tbf, unless you have very little haste

But haste is great for both damage and survival

[jagged pier]

if its a physical mechanic sometimes its parryable so it doesnt hit u at all

[chrome falcon]

some mechanics are parry/block/dodgable but mostly not

[crimson hornet]

got the 1h hammer already?

[chrome falcon]

it's not consistent at all

[chrome falcon]

no

but that would drop for fury

[jagged pier]

yes

[chrome falcon]

i have 447 shield and the tank trinkets suck

[crimson hornet]

i see

[chrome falcon]

so imma just open as fury

[jagged pier]

yes

[quasi lintel]

I got a 441 haste/vers weapon from vault and I crafted my 447 shield with shadowflame patch

[chrome falcon]

[quasi lintel]

now I'm not gonna be so stingy about using crit/haste gear (i've been getting crit haste all season)

literally picked up arms because of it

[chrome falcon]

oh shit

444 class trinket is this thing gaming for us

it seemed kinda doggy on bloodmallet

[quasi lintel]

how true is this:
Haste>Vers=Crit>Mastery

[rose orchid]

So the Mark Of Dargul trinket is solid? I have 424 4/8 champion right now. Worth upgrading to 8/8 champion?

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

reasonably, personally i would say Ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery

[vivid abyss]

is that trinket good for us or nah?

[jagged pier]

nope

[chrome falcon]

yeah i mean i can see that it's listed there but i don't know how much it's actually good 🤔

no

that shit sucks

[jagged pier]

its good in aoe

[chrome falcon]

that's a bad vault

yeesh

[jagged pier]

as it says in the pins

what yah mean thats bis tmog right there

[torn gust]

Praise the pins

[opal flame]

Neltharion's Call to Chaos - does the benefit outweighs the negatives? I feel like I'm gonna die almost half of a dungeon on big pulls

[chrome falcon]

if you're dying from taking 5% more damage

then that's a problem

you need to fix

[jagged pier]

^

[marble cipher]

when it procs, you're killing the mobs also 5% faster, so, 😝

[opal flame]

cool, I'll get it from the vault, thanks boys 🙂

[crimson hornet]

good shit i didnt have to think about, got my heroic leg piece from the vault

i go Bolster with 2s i assume?

[jagged pier]

in raid

[limpid anchor]

[jagged pier]

in m+ wait for 4pc

[crimson hornet]

thanks

[jagged pier]

well up to u with 2pc tbh

if u want practice for 4 set just change now

[crimson hornet]

yea exactly my thought

[quasi lintel]

keep VOTI 4 set until you replace full 4set or do I break for 2 set?

[jagged pier]

up to u#

2pc 2pc is fine

[tight hedge]

So, new weapon enchants, what are we taking?

[jagged pier]

[quasi lintel]

Irideus Fragment or Whetstone (already have icon) (don't know how to sim myself)

[jagged pier]

u get the addon simcraft

u log in game

u type /simc

u copy the output

u go to raidbots

u choose top gear

u paste the output in the box

[jagged pier]

and the u scroll down till u see the trinkets choose which ones u one to see the difference u scroll to the bottom u press run sim

[tight hedge]

@jagged pier I appreciate what you're trying to achieve - but sometimes people just want to be given an answer

[tight hedge]

not a way to get the answer themselves

[jagged pier]

cant give the answer its based on there char

like every piece of gear it answer will always be

sim yourself

we cant give u the answer your characters are not ours

[tight hedge]

in the case of enchants, it shouldnt matter what gear you are in, some clearly outpreform others

[quasi lintel]

No what he said was better I feel annoying asking questions every 2 seconds

[jagged pier]

nope

[quasi lintel]

needed to learn how to sim anyway

[marble cipher]

not specific to this discussion at all, but, learning how to sim your character is way too important to miss out on

[jagged pier]

3 enchants for wep are so close for us

[marble cipher]

it helps soooo much

[jagged pier]

it actually does depend on your gear

[marble cipher]

(and isn't hard at all since raidbots exists)

[jagged pier]

sophic was simming highest for me until i got more gear

[chrome falcon]

ayy what the fuck this trinket's proc rate is terrible

i just fought a rare for 1 minute and 20 seconds before it procced

(neltharions)

[tight hedge]

See, this is an answer that would have sufficed.

[jagged pier]

no because i have different gear than u

[tight hedge]

not sounding like a twat and just typing "sim yo self"

[jagged pier]

nome and me have different enchants and around the same gear

because diifferent ones simmed higher

[jagged pier]

thats literally the answer

[marble cipher]

the answer "sim you self" isn't sounding like a twat, cause it is the correct answer in 99% of the cases

[jagged pier]

99% of the questions about vault or enchants literally solved yourself it u sim yourself takes 2 mins to do as well

[chrome falcon]

ok i can't tell what's going on but

this class trinket's proc rate is absolute dogass

[jagged pier]

🤷

[sonic moon]

What does shield block even do even

[jagged pier]

makes u block all physical attacks that can be block in a 180 cone in front of u

block reduces the damage of these attacks by block value on your shield

[sonic moon]

God damnit Jakey

Why do you do this to yourself

[rose orchid]

What phial you use in m+? I didn't see anything in the pinned posts

[jagged pier]

vers

[rose orchid]

you trolling me brah?

[jagged pier]

no all the phials suck

vers is by proxy the best cause its 3% damage

which is the most of them all

the 1.5% damage reduction is not why we take it

u can go eye of the storm if u want

but on bosses its garbo

[rose orchid]

so NOW verse is good?? i feel like im taking crazy pills

jk

Ok thanks man

i been using eye of storm forever but i'll try out the verse one

[iron cosmos]

Did you guys open vault as prot or fury?

[jagged pier]

fury but i have shield

[iron cosmos]

Yeah I have shield as well

Gonna do fury too

[opal flame]

opened it as arms, got 2 two hands fml

[rose orchid]

yo verse phial is way cheaper than eye of the storm, that's the real reason to use it

[jagged pier]

i mean your barely gunna notice a difference

[jagged pier]

but there is that as well

[rose orchid]

i been spending like 40k gold per week on phials

rip me

[jagged pier]

[iron cosmos]

Yeah that sucks 😄 I got 444 tier gloves so thatll do me for 4 set

[chrome falcon]

only tier i got offered was an upgrade on my LFR hands

would have definitely taken any other tier over this dumb class trinket

i guess i'll see how it does in a key

[chrome falcon]

fury can give 1hs if you still need forgestorm

[rose orchid]

Jakey what weapon enhancement you use? 135 attack power or the other one?

[jagged pier]

haste or crit rune

[rose orchid]

i've just been wrong about everything my whole life it seems

thanks again man

[jagged pier]

hey your using the discord to improve

thats better than most ppl

[rose orchid]

❤️

[cunning knot]

Do we use LS as def or off now

[warm plinth]

Offensive, on CD

[jagged pier]

u use it on CD

[cunning knot]

fair

[quasi lintel]

last stand?

[jagged pier]

its part of your block now

[cunning knot]

my block?

[quasi lintel]

core rot

[jagged pier]

well u take bolster with the new tier set

so u need to use LS on CD to keep block up

[crude notch]

@warm plinth hello qt, wut vault?

[rose orchid]

Thoughts on dropping enduring defenses in order to get unnerving focus, bolster, and spell block? (assuming you have 4 set)?

for m+

[jagged pier]

u drop BS

not enduring

the talents and the explanation are in the pins

[tidal forge]

Where can I see trinket list in vault for fury spec?

[crude notch]

by going through every dungeon and raid with fury loot spec selected

[chrome falcon]

i'm not sure where you can find a list but it doesn't really matter because the tank trinkets are kinda doo doo

just open in fury if you already have a crafted shield

[rose orchid]

why fueled by violence over brutal vitality?

[dark lark]

With the 4p, do I want the post LS buff to line up with avatar? How would this work out on a practical level in m+?

[jagged pier]

no

during LS ss damage is increased

so u want avatar for that

[night heron]

Hello guys, I wanted to know what you think : I already have a 441 weapon and a 447 shield ; so should I open the vauld with dps specialization for offensive trinkets or should i stay with protection ?

[chrome falcon]

open in fury

or maybe arms if your 441 is forgestorm

[jagged pier]

because its better as the old tier set worked with burtal but theres a very small difference so it doesnt matter choose what u like really

[rose orchid]

ok thank you

ive gone back and forth between the two several times, it's hard to decide. I ~feel like~ brutal vitality is slightly better

[boreal wave]

Heart of Thunder fucks in keys. This is my PSA

[night heron]

No I have the frog weapon from halls of infusion
I'll go fury to have a shot at ragestorm then, thanks !

[tidal forge]

Thanks, it’s what I need 🙂

[dusty monolith]

@rose orchid 17 nelt 66k at 426 for reference to your key earlier, pulled quite conservative still timed comfortably

and no forgestorm drop qq

[rose orchid]

nice im miron

i'll try it again later. i had a mage do 45k overall in the run i did i think the entire run was just going very bad

[dusty monolith]

only died to a bolstered warden 620k tankbuster kekw

[rose orchid]

yeah

i think pulling more than 5 or 6 mobs at a time in there (other than the birds they dont bolster) is bad news

[sharp ruin]

after the shield 447 , in your opinion guys what is the best piece to craft?

i'm looking that the shoulders of the set give us haste mastery (with more mastery) maybe craft the shoulders haste versa can be a good choice?

[dusty monolith]

its really situational, depending on what gear you got from m+ raid vault so far

[frosty mist]

Hi guys, question for mm+ build, I see in the pin post thats we may take spellblock (droping punish or another talent), but dont think discruptive shout is good to have too ?

[dusty monolith]

it feels like i have enough cc/interrupts with pummel, shockwave, stormbolt, shield charge and intimidating shout to not need distupting shout. the other player can kick/stun too

[sharp ruin]

super true , but i'm looking that there are not backs haste versa and not shoulders haste versa , u think can be a good idea to craft 1 of this 2 pieces?

[frosty mist]

Ho, you using the fear

[sharp ruin]

cause the head of the set Crit Haste (even if more crit) are not bad stats for us

[dusty monolith]

really depends on what tier pieces you get from raid vault, I'd rather craft a non-tier slot first to have a higher chance to get tier faster but thats personal preference

[dusty monolith]

sure the fear instantly breaks anyway so can be used as aoe kick

[sharp ruin]

yeah that's true , was thinking about the back

but the last boss back is so op

so i really don't know xD

[dusty monolith]

Back from endboss is BiS, you could go for frostfire belt if you want or if you'd like two shadowflame patch embellishments go for boots or wrist

[jagged pier]

u can just craft a belt to take over the frostfire spot as well

[dusty monolith]

^ also valid option

[sharp ruin]

u think is better frostfire or 2xshadowflame?

[dusty monolith]

that we havent quite figured out yet. personally i'm going with ffb + one shadowflame patch

[warm plinth]

It makes literally no difference

[frosty mist]

but, the trash arent running everywhere when fear ? (yeah, didn't use that spell often for years ^^ )

[warm plinth]

They sim within margin of error from each other

[dusty monolith]

but I dont play in 3.3k rio range so that one percent difference (if even that much) doesnt matter

[dusty monolith]

the fear breaks on damage, when everyone does aoe it instantly breaks and no one runs anywhere

[sharp ruin]

i prefer 2x shadowflame , but maybe better on wrist , cause there are not good wrists ? 😄

[jagged pier]

last boss drops great wrists

[sharp ruin]

oh true

[sharp ruin]

giga good

[frosty mist]

ok, will try, thanks

[dusty monolith]

if you dont have a raid to kill him in hc i'd say 447 crafted > 437 upgraded wrists from sarkareth normal

[sharp ruin]

same for the belt , cause a very big belt drop from 4th boss and a bis one drop from freehold

[dusty monolith]

now you see why there is no bis list and its a individual choice

[jagged pier]

pretty sure belt is more stats than wrists

wasting a craft on low budget items early is kinda cringe

[warm plinth]

Yeah belt is more stats by quite a bit

Wrists and cloak are the two lowest budget slots you have

[dusty monolith]

True if you min max Jakey then again depends on what they currently have in their waist/belt slot

[sick sentinel]

Is there a good way for us to sim? Obv we can do damage sim, but lets say i wanna change s1 crit haste wrist with crit versa ones at a higher ilvl ( 7 higher). Its worse stats but i lose out on mainstat

[warm plinth]

My 415 belt has more stats than my 428 bracers by a significant amount

[dusty monolith]

raidbots gear compare and edit the gearsets Hinge

[sick sentinel]

ty ty

[dusty monolith]

could also go for boots, they have the same amount of stats as belt

[quasi lintel]

what tier piece do we not want?

[dusty monolith]

the one we get last

[jagged pier]

^

your thinking to long term for now

[dusty monolith]

a 444 or 447 tier from vault with "worse" stats can outperform a 441 from raid with good stats, so it really isnt set in stone as far as i understood

[jagged pier]

correct

[young rampart]

guys if i dont take the vault now and play m+ does it count to my vault for next week?

[jagged pier]

ye

[dusty monolith]

yes

[young rampart]

thx

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure the corollaries are this in order of highest to lowest stat budgets (main armor pieces):

1. Helm/Chest/Legs
2. Belt/Boots/Shoulders/Gloves
3. Cloak/Wrists

Might have the middle two swapped, lemme check

[dusty monolith]

gloves boots shoulders belt have same amount of stats

[jagged pier]

yer but 2 of them are tier slots

[warm plinth]

Ah so they do

[hardy snow]

spell reflect on last boss of Halls is pretty cool

[jagged pier]

yep

[night heron]

Should I get the 447 boots (even though it's crit/mastery) or the 441 (with upgrades) hands tier set?

[potent gulch]

i'm thinking of crafting chest ;>

[night heron]

Raidbot tells me boots are 1,4% dps increase in AoE vs 1% for hands

[potent gulch]

it is even bigger on 2nd both Neltharions Lair.

[jagged pier]

its big on the 3rd boss of halls if u time it right and get all frost shocks

[hardy snow]

last one in neltharions lair as well

is there a way to SR all molten crashes?

yesterday I had cd on every 2nd only, not every cast

[jagged pier]

spell queu

[dusty monolith]

if you are 3 out of 4 tier and dont have a chance to get 4th this week I'd pick hands, otherwise boots

[jagged pier]

but not reliable

[tame jasper]

thats the knockback, right?

[hardy snow]

no, landslide is knockback, thats hit after it

[sleek current]

Before it I believe.

[tame jasper]

the last boss of halls does not cast landslide 😄

[jagged pier]

landside is a seperate thing he just does

[night heron]

I have 0 tier set piece and prob gonna get none this week as tanks don't have loot priority in my guild

Thanks for the answer!

[hardy snow]

sorry, i messed up with lair's boss

[tame jasper]

all finde 😄

[hardy snow]

in halls its cast after the knockback

[dusty monolith]

get 2k rio this week to get the omnitoken, take hands and you'll have 2/4 at least

[hardy snow]

both knockback and dot are reflectable, but dot (deluge skill) does more dmg

[night heron]

Oh great idea, I'm very close to 2k so this should be easy, I'll try to do that!

[dry spear]

when cata is available, they go haste/versa. maye something to consider.

[granite pond]

Sim question: still learning this, is there a way to sim gear as if it was upgraded to max? Like see if a ring would be better than my current stuff if I upgraded it

[night heron]

Ooooh that's big, maybe that's an interesting long term investment then

[dry spear]

i'm sitting on hc shoulders and 2 omni tokens. i could take hc hands and run 2/2 piece or wait to loot one item in the raid and get full 4 p. but i was reading here earlier, that 2/2 isnt a bad way to keep.

[dusty monolith]

2/2 if your 2 new pieces are >15 ilvl upgrades (e.g. going from 421 to fully upgraded normal 437)

[zealous spade]

how much dps increase the tier 2 bonus in general?

[dusty monolith]

yes

[tidal forge]

Is fury spec now gets 2h and 1h weapons in vault?

Change loot for fury and get 2x 2h weapons..

[potent gulch]

IT IS POSSIBLE

[hardy snow]

yes, in top gear option you can choose upgrade levels, and in gear compare you can just type ilvl of item to compare

[winged sage]

Is there any mob in freehold or boss for that matter that takes increased dmg?

[warm plinth]

The last boss takes increased damage during the last 30%

And there is a spell used by mobs on the last island that does damage to mobs around it, though that's not technically increased damage

[winged sage]

oh yea! the last boss, did a 434k crit with shield slam, so got super confused 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's this fella

[winged sage]

aaw, just got super stoked when I saw the crit in details, but that makes sense 😄

[obsidian rampart]

Hi guys, what is the best slot for the part ?

[dusty monolith]

[granite pond]

The best slot for the part! Answer the man! The part!

[plush moat]

guys a friend of mine told me prot warrior is the worst tank, what do i tell him ....

[mental scarab]

He is a idjet

We can cheese alot of stuff

Block and SR

And We take zero dmg compared to other tanks

”Oh no a tank Buster”

Block

[hardy snow]

good luck with blocking zskarn's claws on mythic

[serene steppe]

Has anyone found an m+ boss or trash pack where spell block was particularly good? I think the trash after frog boss in HoI but apart from that I cant think where else it can be used

[crude notch]

Good luck with blocking dn

[cinder nova]

bruh 4p is carpal tunnel

I barely take my finger off SS

[limpid anchor]

Neltharus and halls I think

[sonic moon]

Can't wait to get pocket anvil. Shield slam gonna smack.

[cinder nova]

I wonder if LFR anvil is worth it

[serene steppe]

Which part of Neltharus?

[limpid anchor]

From chain guy to armor

[jagged pier]

wardens its good on

halls a tone of trash

u can just look at the sheet

and choose for yourself

[limpid anchor]

Also first part of neltharud if you don’t want to dodge the blazing slash

[serene steppe]

Ye I did, just seems like there is a lot less use for it this season compared to last

[limpid anchor]

Which is good

[jagged pier]

good

we dont have the point for it anyway

[tight gull]

What should I take guys 😬 I'm struggling to decide.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/dalaran/elikopter

[cinder nova]

Wow that's a dogshit vault

My condolences.

[tight gull]

Kinda 😅

[cinder nova]

What are the stats on the neck

That seems like the best take since you gotta unseat lariat anyway

And catalyst is over a month out, so trying to hold pieces is kinda

[tight gull]

I can drop that vault into a socket and bait on a longer proc for that lariat some days....

Neck is crit vers. Seems ok thow

[cinder nova]

idk even a 441 crit/vers is good

[strong forum]

Spellblock is only usable in Neltharus for the blazing slash and neltharion lairs for the big shards and 2nd boss and maybe some trash mobs in halls of infusion, outside of that Spellblock is pretty much useless

[cinder nova]

it's just no haste kinda blows

[strong forum]

Trinket, shoulders for mog or the chest

[cinder nova]

Really? The orb?

[strong forum]

Yes

It's the new icon

It's really good on aoe

[tight gull]

It's kinda strength and will be for me haste

It helps a lot in aoe by tic I zgree

[vocal nimbus]

Can you dodge this?

Thought you can only dodge the frontal cone

[limpid anchor]

Yes you can

[cinder nova]

Alright, colour me intrigued. This is the second time I've seen just raw secondaries take lead over procs on cleave.

[vocal nimbus]

Sidestep?

[cinder nova]

Why is just heaping stats so much better that something like say, Ulurogg

[tight gull]

Overall DMG I guess

[fallow beacon]

heroic logs kinda free when everyone has switched to pally 👀

[strong forum]

Stats have always been better for aoe

[uneven mason]

Because if we can wrap it up in our CD it becomes a much bigger force multiplier

[tight gull]

As it is not timegatted you will keep doing more DMG with is it at the end of our runs

[uneven mason]

And prot has strong ae cd

[strong forum]

Tank logs are always free

[limpid anchor]

Lies :(

[fallow beacon]

but now they are free-er!

[tight gull]

So it's actually a really good drop 😅

[strong forum]

Yes they are

[jagged pier]

i mean depends when u do them as well

[strong forum]

Ye

[fallow beacon]

we are oceanic nz guild

so pretty arly

early*

[limpid anchor]

Very gear dependent tho

[jagged pier]

i mean its not

i was r1 in a lot of fights last week

being 10ish ilvls behind

the other top prots

[strong forum]

Rn logs come down to: 4pc trinket and forgestorm

If you have beacon + 4pc already

[jagged pier]

like on zskarn i was 6k ahead of someone with new 4 piece

[cinder nova]

I got forge and 4p

[limpid anchor]

Idk not having beacon, 4p and forge is huge

Doesn’t mean others aren’t shit

[strong forum]

If you have beacon + 4pc + a guild that can actually kill bosses at a decent pace

You're pretty much guaranteed to have a 99

Or 100

[jagged pier]

wish i had beacon

[crude notch]

Sense's beacon beating all your asses

[jagged pier]

i was beating him on sarc until he recleared yesterday

[strong forum]

Sense R1 on kazzara is 7k ahead cuz his killtime is 30sec faster than anyone else + beacon + it's sense

[fallow beacon]

mans doing 5k more than me on sark wtf

filthy padder

[strong forum]

Get skill issued

[fallow beacon]

bet his beacon crit

[strong forum]

[fallow beacon]

copium.jpg

[hasty wigeon]

Having a hard deciding what to pick here. I'm thinking the ring which has got a gem slot but wondering if I should take the tier piece but it will cost me a lot to upgrade it plus I will lose the S1 set bonus and I don't have any other S2 tier pieces

https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Bodrak

[jagged pier]

brah u should be closer to him than closer to me

[crude notch]

damn he is a filthy padder you beat him by 6k on boss.

[jagged pier]

i have 10 less ilvls and no beacon

[fallow beacon]

the real win

[fallow beacon]

how many cheeky grieftorches you sneak in though hah

[crude notch]

<Fluffy Lemon Noodles>

wtf

Jakey?

[strong forum]

Ring you can farm up to 441, tier you can't farm but upgrade to 437

Socket is a bit spicy on ring that's true

[jagged pier]

4 casts in 7 mins

it was a good clean kill tbh

[strong forum]

So it's up to you really

Can't help you with that

[crude notch]

You got the typical super serious guild names like <Nurfed> and <Miracle> then you get <Fluffy Lemon Noodles>

[jagged pier]

im casual now

[fallow beacon]

beat him on experiments tho lesgooo

[limpid anchor]

Tbf #2 just sucks

[fallow beacon]

heroic logs are important right guys

[crude notch]

They're important to someone

[fallow beacon]

😄

[strong forum]

Kill time will always play a role

It's just how it is

It's more of a factor in heroic than in mythic

[jagged pier]

u laugh it actually was to someone last season

[crude notch]

Jakey's guild too slow

[strong forum]

Cuz mythic takes longer to have way faster kill times

Heroic is meme anyway

[crude notch]

7m sark among all those 6m

[jagged pier]

the 2 guilds above mine kill it with the new rest and more gear because of it

they both on us schedules

we eu

[light bison]

what gear are you guys crafting?

[fallow beacon]

yeah we finished raid 2 hours ago

so we way ahead of eu

[jagged pier]

still not like ill get close im not high on the beacon list

[strong forum]

or FAQ

[limpid anchor]

So you gonna lose all your ranks in 5h :x

[strong forum]

You should be tho

[jagged pier]

i know

[strong forum]

Tanks, just like with grieftorch, are the best for it

[fallow beacon]

just roll a 98

its that easy

[light bison]

thanks 🤲

[limpid anchor]

Non-tanks don’t understand that :(

[junior brook]

do we keep eranog ring (with frostfire belt) for entire raiding or replace at some point?

[limpid anchor]

You replace the belt

But Eranog is gonna be at your side for the season (or until nerfs)

[cinder nova]

Could probably safely drop it in M+

Maybe crack it out on Tyr

[serene steppe]

How do you proc the ring without belt?

[dusty monolith]

new weapon enchant

[serene steppe]

oh okay

[limpid anchor]

More like forge storm, and 2 embellishment

[dusty monolith]

I mainly play m+ and will get a 447 frostfire belt with one Shadowflame Armor Patch as it is a very very minor dps loss. i just like the belt and the animation and proc

[rough thorn]

how is shadowflame wreathe for us?

[limpid anchor]

So you like bad stats

[limpid anchor]

Sim

[dusty monolith]

447 FFB sims 200dps over 447 crafted haste/vers with shadowflame armor patch for me

pretty neglectable tbh

[jagged pier]

what about it?

[jagged pier]

yer it appears in low gear frostfire is actually higher then when your at the max max gear haste belt is better so choose what u like really

[strong forum]

as i said in the pin

the difference is negligible

[sick sentinel]

your name reminds me of the teacher from beavis and butthead, mr van Driessen

[dusty monolith]

Dreizehn is the german word for thirteen (13), and I had a huge crush on olivia wilde in dr house back when I made that char

[serene steppe]

damn thats some lore

[hollow hill]

is enduring dreadplate pretty meh like the wowhead guide says or is there some disagreement with that?

nvm i used the search function

I see it has been talked about

[frosty mist]

Question about weapon and Shield, in the pin it speak about forgestorm and crafted Shield, wowhead speak about another weapon and Shield. I don't know which one follow. 😅 I dont use my shadowflame spark so I can still choose my first craft.

[strong forum]

forgestorm is more dmg than crafted weapon

wowhead listed a normal weapon cuz its probably a tiny bit more defensive

[strong forum]

its pretty bad

[hollow hill]

yea it simmed -1500 dps over my ol blazebinder's hoof

[frosty mist]

Ok, but forgestorm has to drop also. Dont' know when I could loot it. Atm I have 421 crafted Sword.

[limpid anchor]

Anyone got a log with the deadplate?

[strong forum]

it doesnt show up on healing

its just a flat -7k on dmg events

for 15sec

[heavy sinew]

the new set pieces are not upgradable right?

with like crests

[mystic breach]

Tried to check on pins and older messages but I got lost, Enduring Dreadplate or Shard of Rokmora from the vault? Both Champion (the only hero is a crit/mastery ring...), I have shitty trinket rn

[heavy sinew]

i mean there are alot of trinkets that are very simillar to shard

which are not too hard to get

personally id prob go plate but idk

dont take my word for it

[potent gulch]

is becon 2 secon cast?

[icy atlas]

They are upgradeable

[heavy sinew]

is 441 the max ilvl you can upgrade pieces to?

[steel fossil]

so when we craft shield do we craft Shadowed Impact Buckler or A Molten Defender?

[heavy sinew]

just couse i got 441 shoulders from vault and i dont see an option to upgrade them

[jagged pier]

yes

[heavy sinew]

i see thx

[steel fossil]

i mean primal molten defender with a patch

[heavy sinew]

molten

[mystic breach]

Ye I was thinking the same, Iet's see if anyone has to say anything else (?)

[heavy sinew]

it's also more fun that shard : D

more numbers

[serene steppe]

Shard is just absorb, other one does some dmg

[limpid anchor]

Idk someone said that it’s way more but didn’t have a log. Just wanna know if it’s broken or not.
But if it doesn’t show up at all it kinda sucks to test

[strong forum]

its bad

pao mega reverse engineered how the trinket works

and its just -7k dmg taken on dmg events for 15seconds

no matter how many plates you have

[ember tangle]

Is there a set order for mitigation being applied? Is it armor then Block then trinket then ignore pain for example?

[strong forum]

block is just armor but 2x

every % mitigation is multiplicative so it doesnt really matter in which order those happen

but its %DR > absorbs > ignore pain

[jagged pier]

then codex

[strong forum]

yeah and codex after all of that

[jagged pier]

brah it was so strong tho

couldnt go past 2% DR for prot

but it was apprently must have

[strong forum]

love losing 7% dmg and being 7% weaker defensively

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[strong forum]

but atleast i gain a details bar

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[soft plume]

yo im getting chunked in 18s, any advice?

[dusty monolith]

got any logs for us to go through Antivist?

[soft plume]

nope every key i have joined since last night has failed and i havn't kept logs of it sorry

[sick sentinel]

specific bosses and what you theorize may have happened helps too if you don't have log

[soft plume]

uh the trash murders me

in neltharions lair the enemies get like 10 bolsters right off the bat

[harsh trellis]

Well it's trash week don't overpull and dps down evenly

[soft plume]

in halls of infusion just pulling one pack at a time i feel like im a constant state of clinging on to a thread of life

[harsh trellis]

Hoi is aids atm

At 16 not so bad but 17 and 18 are meh

[soft plume]

i have only been in 17s and 18s and yeah i've been questioning everything, i just got my 4pc and i was even wondering if losing my old 10.0 2pc made me weaker

[dusty monolith]

any chance you could link your raider.io profile maybe your chars equip is lacking a bit for 18s

[soft plume]

https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Ilyaa

[dusty monolith]

get 447 shield

makes a huge difference in defense

[soft plume]

how do you do that

[dusty monolith]

craft one with the new spark

[soft plume]

dont i need a special power infusion or something

[dusty monolith]

I noticed great improvement in terms of defense when I got my 447 shield compared to my 421, got mine just yesterday as well because I didnt think it would be that much of a difference

[jagged pier]

palcebo

[dusty monolith]

you need 4 aspects crests, get a enchanter to craft an enchanted aspects crests

[jagged pier]

it will make a difference

[dusty monolith]

and primal molten alloy thats it i think

[harsh trellis]

What shield specifically?

[dusty monolith]

primal molten defender

[jagged pier]

but playing correct will be far greater than just getting a higher ilvl shield

[soft plume]

so its worth using my aspect crests to just make a shield?

[harsh trellis]

Thank you

[soft plume]

i have 5 aspect crests atm and i have hoarded most of the crests since i wasnt sure how hard they would be to get with the limited amounts

[dusty monolith]

you also got a spark laying around? with this ID you should have gotten your second since 10.1

[sick sentinel]

whats the 3 gems its recommended to use in the lariat ?

[soft plume]

i have a spark of shadowflame yes

[dusty monolith]

It helped me, might not be the only thing to improve upon but wont hurt for sure

getting the 447 shield that is

[harsh trellis]

Haste crit or haste vers

[sick sentinel]

thanks

[dusty monolith]

best way for me to learn was to log keys or even better record the gameplay, I noticed I dropped Ignore Pain or Shield Block when first starting to tank and overcapped rage, didnt kick/stun/reflect when available etc.

[harsh trellis]

I like to use subcreation to see what everyone is using for whatever key. And then I like to use keystone guru for pulls

[jagged pier]

[soft plume]

which neck should i get to replace lariat

so i can amke shadowflame patch on shield

[strong forum]

subcreation only shows whats popular

not whats good

[harsh trellis]

Right

Use it as a guide

[jagged pier]

any right now

[mental scarab]

btw how did we get the spark again

and 444 Tongue Hacker in first vault 😄

[sick sentinel]

with 2 set and last stand up. Do we change from revenge to shield slam

or first with 4 set

[opal flame]

just do loom quests

check your reagents bank if you use that, I've forgot I put one there in "move all reagents"

[odd tree]

1st spark was from a quest, but i think you can loot them from dungeon chests, raid bosses, and epic loot bags from world quests

[mental scarab]

wtf is loom quest

[harsh trellis]

Loam

New area

[mental scarab]

oh

[odd tree]

i got half a spark from a dungeon yesterday. you get 1 every 2 weeks, this week was the 2nd spark

[mental scarab]

oh

thats the shadowflame thigny golden icon

[mystic breach]

So, in my case, I shouldn't take 'Enduring Dreadplate' and take Shard of Rokmore from the vault?

[urban bane]

no i think youre missing the point that subcreation is normative rather than prescriptive

[strong forum]

i wouldnt use either nezha

both are whack

[harsh trellis]

Oh I understand how it works.

[daring marlin]

How's the trash in VP this week, lads?

[toxic pewter]

Last pack is strong

[round pendant]

I still have my lariat from season 1, do I drop it?

[jagged pier]

ye

[vocal nimbus]

how can we dodge blazing slash from qalashi wardens in neltharus?

[jagged pier]

spell block

[vocal nimbus]

read here that it can be dodged, sadge

[harsh trellis]

You can just wait for cast and side step

[vocal nimbus]

nah you cant

thats the other skill

[knotty stump]

Is there a spell block weakaura that is updated for Season 2? I'm talking about a weakaura similar to the season 1 one that would tell you if the incoming spell was reflectable.

[hardy snow]

so you want spell block aura, or aura that tells if spell is reflectable? thats two different things

[knotty stump]

tells if the spell is reflectable

The one I used for season one doesn't seem to be updated

The one in resources appears to be out of date as well

[hushed harbor]

Reading the pins it looks like there are a couple (unfortunate) talents we can drop to get shield block. In Neltharus, what would be best to swap out?

[jagged pier]

u mean spell block and as it says in the pins

u drop bloodsurge

[hushed harbor]

Yeah sorry. Ok that one instead of punish got it

Thank you

[jagged pier]

u really dont want to drop punish

[hushed harbor]

Ok cool.

Spell block is the balls.

[jagged pier]

i mean it has cases in like 2 dungeons but okay

[daring marlin]

It's not very good in most dungeons this time around

then again it was only great in like two dungeons last season too 👀

[soft plume]

with 4pc should i spam last stand for optimal dps gains

[dusky canopy]

no id hold it

[strong forum]

just send it

its 1min CD with bolster

[dusky canopy]

[wary spire]

Aren't we supposed to get a splintered spark this week?

[jagged pier]

yes if u do your rep quest

[wary spire]

Ty

[opal flame]

use on cd

[daring marlin]

Are you also thinking power unified would be there too? I had someone in trade set me straight. lol

[toxic pewter]

That event in the middle of the cavern gives 1k rep by the way

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[daring marlin]

Just be a loser like me and hold your rep tokens(don't actually do that)

[toxic pewter]

That works

[daring marlin]

researcher event is pretty quick

[dusky canopy]

oh im holding mind too LOL

can not be bothered to do world content if i can avoid it

[wary spire]

That's big brain actually

[daring marlin]

I actually didn't do campaign last week so I had two 2500 tokens chillin

Now I have one for next week too

Quick valdrakken and loam rep quest completes!

[twin bramble]

Which piece of gear are we supposed to put shadow flame armor patch on? Frost fire belt already has embellishment and the other two items to craft are weapons.

[jagged pier]

u can put it on shield wrists belt and just recraft belt

u wont be crafting wep

[twin bramble]

Oh heck yeah. Thanks!

I ready crafted weapon 👀 I’ll put it on shield.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[twin bramble]

Wowhead said to get primal molten main hand first! 😂

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[twin bramble]

So frostfire belt and primal molten defender with shadow flame tempered armor patch is a good approach to the two embellishments?

[jagged pier]

yes

[twin bramble]

Awesome. Thanks.

[proud patrol]

I keep hearing that spell block is only good in two dungeons (Neltharus and Neltharions Lair I think?) - is it just because there’s a lot to block or something specific?

[jagged pier]

both

[twin bramble]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

block/reflect, will be updating as dungeons are testable in mythic+

(feel free to message me about dungeons already filled in if i missed something or if something changed, include log link or ss if possible please 🙂 )

The link above is my go to (in pin) and it helps answer your question

[proud patrol]

Thanks!

[twin bramble]

👊

[runic hatch]

How do you guys deal with the dragon breath in halls? It's wrecking my ass.

[jagged pier]

spell block or your S key

[twin bramble]

All 3 breaths in that dungeon are blockable with spell block (but it doesn’t reflect)

[trim pumice]

Was looking through faq/pins and didn’t see, what wep enchant do you guys recommend? Just started playing warr for alt (m+ only) and was looking at top rio and was a mix of sophic/frozen/shadowflame

[jagged pier]

[twin bramble]

It follows you so you can’t sidestep. And can’t really backstep it

[runic hatch]

Guess my DPS aren't killing it fast enough then

[jagged pier]

our lord and saviour disagrees

[mystic breach]

I am still running the Drogbar trinkets :P
Only alternative is a 431 Scalebane Signet, bad stats but more ilvl/stamina, otherwise Token time

[runic hatch]

Will do

[dusky canopy]

holy shit guys blazing slash in neltharus TRUCKS

[jagged pier]

yes

[dusky canopy]

just ran a 19 and man

getting blasted for like 50% hp it felt like

[strong forum]

That's why it's a Spellblock dungeon

Sucks to use it for just 2 packs

[jagged pier]

^

[strong forum]

But it do be like that

[dusky canopy]

drop blood surge?

[jagged pier]

if u have tier yer

[dusky canopy]

oh wait i dont have new tier set so old talent build duh

lol

[twin bramble]

Interesting. Thanks for the tip! I have to try. Tactyks has a pretty good spreadsheet and it didn’t have backstepping on it.

[wet atlas]

thanks for posting this

[graceful kite]

I forgot something - if I don't pick anything from the vault and do an m+, will I get a key I shuold've gotten from the vault or will it depend on that m+ level?

[trim pumice]

same level as vault would be

can also open the chest and not loot the key and keep doing keys until you get the key you want

[graceful kite]

thanks

[daring marlin]

Can't reliably backstep it either cuz if you avoid they just fucking cast it again

[wary spire]

Are fortified weeks generally more difficult as tank? New to tanking so prolly a dumb q

[plush tendon]

Pretty much

Fort weeks is when as a tank you really have to cycle through CDs properly and control packs much more effectivly

Tyran weeks are our lazy weeks

[daring marlin]

especially now

Not many tankbusters to worry about this season

[plush tendon]

much like last week, I expect we will see a plethora of nerfs

hopfully

[glad flax]

hello! are we supposed to get a 2nd Spark of Shadowflame this week?

[daring marlin]

lots of noodle damage bosses

for tanks at least lmao

[daring marlin]

Yes, do the loam rep quest and the splinter will be in the bag.

Get that 👜

[glad flax]

[A Worthy Ally: Loamm Niffen] you mean this one?

[plush tendon]

there are some hard hitting tank busters, but nothing like Liu, Crawth or Totem dude from last season

[trim pumice]

Yeah those give half a spark per week, so you get the full spark every 2 weeks from it. If you miss a week they can randomly drop from dungeon/raid etc

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/KvmfysK.png

feelsgood

[pastel sleet]

question:

I just recieved a 1/5 hero shield as a drop.
i havent crafted either of my sparks.

i was planning on crafting the primal shield at 447.

do i follow through with that or level up the hero shield and craft a different piece for more power now

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

hero shield only goes up to 441

and shield is the most important item

[pastel sleet]

so craft shield and just vendor the hero shield?

[dusky canopy]

thats what i would do

[strong forum]

if you want to be optimal, yeah pmuch

unless you wanna gamble on getting a 447 from vault

for weeks on end

[pastel sleet]

hm

[daring marlin]

Dargrul comes to mind

[strong forum]

dargrul you can reflect most of em

same goes for 2nd boss

but occasionally you have to eat or 1 or 2

the only scary boss for tanks in the current dungeon pool is last boss brackenhide tbh

and thats just a healing absorb but not infinite dmg intake coupled with it

[daring marlin]

It's honestly hilarious to me cuz

Dargrul terrifies me on my Pally but BH last boss I laugh in WoG

[dusky canopy]

yeah last boss BH is nothing compared to TJS

we were thoroughly prepared

LOL

[daring marlin]

idk what they were thinking frankly

[pastel atlas]

which piece of the tier do we play without, assuming we have all 5? Chest?

[dusky canopy]

any piece without haste

is bad

[plush tendon]

chest if you get a 450 chest

[daring marlin]

Liu was such a shit boss

[pastel atlas]

pants it is

[plush tendon]

pantaloons 😦

gonna make some crafted pants XD

once I get more tier

[deep cairn]

is thera macro for tracking 4set dmg bonus component?

i mean weaka ura

[dusky canopy]

i dont think its worth the mental

just push last stand and send

[deep cairn]

but the dmg is only after alst stand ends right?

[fresh igloo]

you're not really going to change anything though

our core game play is use shield slam as much as possible, then thunder clap, then revenge. Keep SB up, use IP to not over cap rage.

doing more damage when LS ends doesn't change that.

[sick sentinel]

new launcher thingies

[toxic pewter]

mine doesnt have that hmmm

[strong forum]

Beta Client has had that for weeks

[toxic pewter]

interesting beta client

switching to beta now

[sick sentinel]

log out

it logged me out., so

or, wanted me to relogin more specfici

[crude notch]

I roll out of it on my monk regularly it's so nice

[sick sentinel]

How's the rotation once you get 2set? do we pump shieldslam into aoe packs to reduce the cd of last stand?

[crystal mauve]

Has anyone had some great experience in Nelthrus this week? I got my ass handed hover by synchronized tank buster in our 20 yesterday. 0.5s cast time and hit for 750k fire damage each, fun times…

[crystal mauve]

You are supposed to do that anyway Slam as much as possible (there is some damage corner case where you don’t but you shouldn’t bother too much)

[sick sentinel]

but revenge is more damage no?

on aoe

before 4 set

but thanks ill slam some more

[twin bramble]

Awesome

[urban bane]

do you mean the molten crash on the last boss in NL?

[crystal mauve]

No I meant trash in Neltharus sorry

[urban bane]

oh gotcha

yeah molten blazing slash is a spell block angle from what i've seen ppls say thus far. havent done it myself this week though so 🤷‍♂️

[dusky canopy]

oh yeah night and day difference

spell block for blazing slashes

[frank saddle]

Nom, when you activate the trinket the buff'd say 7k x 5=35k absorb, is this just fake news?

i've heard people speculate that the 59k value here only actives if 1 hit exceeds it

i have not log (dont even know if/how this would show on logs) but from what ive been playing in packs the plates dont really drop

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RmktBcdTj1PrGaXM/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=56&target=100&start=54847&end=79618 here's a log if anybody cares. Let a dummy hit me & took off shield

[blissful sable]

Create 2 shadowflame is better or 1 shadowflame + frostfire? which one have more sim?

[dusty monolith]

same. seems early gear ffb + 1 shadowflame patch is 0,x% better, in end end endgame gear 2x shadowflame is 0,x% better. both are fine really

I'm currently 427 and ffb+patch sim better than 2 patch

[dusky canopy]

double shadowflame is roughly 200dps better at same ilvl becuase you can do prefered stats

[dusty monolith]

not true, thought the same and simmed myself with either. double shadowflame performed worse

[dusky canopy]

idk what you're simming but orange man confirmed

[dusty monolith]

orange man also said if you dont have bis end of season gear ffb might be better

[dusky canopy]

ok so go double shadowflame so youre ready to go

[dusty monolith]

sure, its personal preference both are fine

[strong forum]

All depends on your gear

For myself shadowflame simmed less than ffb

With bis gear, it simmed slightly better

[prisma crane]

either way it falls, i at least appreciate that it's closer to 2-3% of dmg than the 1% it was

last season they were emborishments

[chrome falcon]

so nom assuming you have all cooldowns and pack/boss is living for a long time

are we holding LS for like 20 seconds to line up 4pc with second avatar?

we just full send everything like in 9.2 right?

and when stuff lines up that's cool?

[sick sentinel]

diz any good? 😉

[chrome falcon]

nop

[sick sentinel]

guess my warlock friend is gonna be happy in a bit then

[hushed cobalt]

i'm still rocking my whetstone

[prisma crane]

yea that would be ok for someone who doesnt spam casts like we do

[sick sentinel]

yea fair

[dusty monolith]

I'm still rocking a 415 gift of radiance really want the landslide trinket from NL

[hushed cobalt]

not sure if it was the pug i was in, but the trash that cast landslide usually killed someone(s) per pull

[sick sentinel]

thx but no

[hushed cobalt]

so the trinket that landslides should be good

[sick sentinel]

i don't want to see shadowlands forever

[bitter herald]

elementium pocket anvil is proc on shield slam hits
can this apply on the aoe from 4set?

[urban bane]

no the aoe from 4set is not shield slam

it is a separate effect altogether

[bitter herald]

so decent but not insane, cheers

[orchid mural]

So, i macro'ed DemoShout and LastStand together - seems to synergize really well. anyone else find the same?

[chrome falcon]

you should be pressing last stand on cooldown anyway

as soon as you get 2set

[strong forum]

They're 2 entirely different CDs so uh

Doesn't really do much

LS is 1min demo is 45sec

[dusty monolith]

I might get stoned to death but I macro'd avatar and demo together, as they come off CD within 10sec of each other

[chrome falcon]

you press both of those abilities essentially on cooldown

i mean you're not gonna get stoned to death but

[hushed cobalt]

Unless you run thunderlord 😉

[chrome falcon]

that's just objectively wrong

[strong forum]

Thats illegal

[chrome falcon]

yeah running thunderlord WILL get you stoned to death

[dusty monolith]

not running thunderlord and it works out - somehow

at least good enough for the bracket i play in

[hushed cobalt]

Aside from thunderlord, how are haste pants for m+ compared to a second shadowflame

[sick sentinel]

raid group in zaralek angry at tanks for "not stacking them so he can cleave" and im telling them they get a 90% dmg reduce for being close apparently.

[dusty monolith]

classic

[sick sentinel]

has a buff is some kind of melee brain rot

[exotic hare]

What would yall pick?

helmet is 441 with Haste Versa,

[ashen harness]

Hey, so Frostfire belt sims highest for me to craft. But i guess thats just cause i have the erenog ring still?

Should i go for the frostfire belt? Or is that item terrible once i get rid of the ring?

[undone verge]

It’s bis

[ashen harness]

i have a good weapon and shield already

[dusty monolith]

[sick sentinel]

i swear melee players are way dumber on average than ranged or healer or tank

and its not even close

[undone verge]

With or without the ring

[ashen harness]

i have a 437 shield already tho

[ashen harness]

i have the ring, i guess the belt loses value once i drop the ring?

or is it still good on its own?

[undone verge]

*it’s bis with or without the ring

[sick sentinel]

do you guys find the entangling to be rough or no

[left basalt]

ez pz

[dusty monolith]

i think its fine

[ashen harness]

ok ty

[sick sentinel]

game wants me to run 8 nelth lair, see what happens i guess

[exotic hare]

Hey can anyone help me with what to pick? 😄

i cant decide

[undone verge]

Storming is like having a sore throat. It’s annoying, and painful, entangling is like having a stuffy nose, I wish I didn’t have it, but it doesn’t effect me at all

[dusty monolith]

sure link your raider.io and a screenshot of your vault and we can discuss options 🙂

[sick sentinel]

im imagining its rough in parts of VP

any of the movement or aoe parts really

[undone verge]

On bosses yeah

Trash not really

[exotic hare]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Mezzano

[sick sentinel]

even on aoe trash and movment like over the birdge, i'd be scared about entangling popping up

[exotic hare]

there ;D

[orchid mural]

i just slapped a target dummy for a bit, and with 2pc DS and LS come up at the same time

[undone verge]

Tier or helm

[daring marlin]

Nope. I just freedom the melee every time and we both be big chillin'

[quartz mist]

Anyone else getting dummied from ice shard in halls of infusion

[sick sentinel]

i mean, what are the options realistically as warrior when it happens

[exotic hare]

not the trink? what would you take? helm or tier?

[sick sentinel]

i've not yet experience it

[daring marlin]

walk slightly out

[sick sentinel]

so, i duno for instance how leap, or charge, or intervene works with it, or avatar as that has some interaction

my assumption is you cant leap or blink out

[dusty monolith]

depends on how assessable tier set pieces are for you, I'd go for the chest if you dont raid as much or helm if you do raid quite a lot. you could pick the 421 chest, upgrade to 437 and push 2k rating this week to get a second tier token and run 2p/2p 🙂 or if you are confident you'll get tier soon through your raid you could pick the helm

[quartz mist]

Good to know ty

[exotic hare]

Thanks allot mate

[undone verge]

I’d sim it, but trink is only normal. You could take the trinket and upgrade it tho if you wanted so sim it as 437. I’d take tier tho cause you could upgrade it and you’ll have 2 set from 2k

[exotic hare]

Thanks allot yall

[undone verge]

You have like 7 seconds to walk 7 meters otherwise you get stunbed it’s only like 30% movement reduction

[dusty monolith]

the s key counters the whole affix tbh

[sick sentinel]

yeah, okay i know about nelth lair now that i look at the mpa

[daring marlin]

you can do both of these things

not that they're needed

[sick sentinel]

i kind of figured being a big vine thing it would grab hold

[dusty monolith]

get this and its very free, got a timer and everything https://wago.io/S2Affixes

[daring marlin]

yogi sometimes I question how you overthink stuff

[ashen harness]

weakaura for entangling

[hybrid cobalt]

heart of thunder is good (20 underrot)

[dusty monolith]

its also a wa for incorporeal and afflicted i guess

[daring marlin]

Is there an issue with being prepared for it? Could make positioning sketch on certain bosses.

[strong forum]

How much dps? Like 4k?

[jagged pier]

yer i dunno felt like a very non affix

[ashen harness]

dont think so imo, you just step out, and step back in. It wont even move the boss

[hybrid cobalt]

5k or so

[strong forum]

How much on bosses

[strong forum]

Yeah that's 4k

That's pretty good

[hybrid cobalt]

not maxed either only 434

[dusty monolith]

thats the VP trinket right?

[hybrid cobalt]

yea

[strong forum]

Slightly better than whetstone

Neat

[dusty monolith]

I'm just gonna grab that and landslide and call it a day this season then

[strong forum]

But bacon

[dusty monolith]

bacon is pretty fun as well true

hard to grab one without raid though

[daring marlin]

Somebody made the WA for a reason. Bosses like chain dude in Nelth, all three in VP, third and last in HoI could all be made weird by entangling. But go off.

[shut summit]

ye trinky aint bad, this was last week 20 halls and it was only 428 ilvl https://i.imgur.com/8KZTIz6.png

[dusty monolith]

i really havent thought about that trinket, it ranked so low on sites like bloodmalled i never gave it a second thought, thanks for sharing! might be an option if I get it or find one in vault 🙂

[strong forum]

Time to lock myself into vp prison

To replace the awful rocks trinket for good

[dusty monolith]

Sense you're quite decked out i might say. forgestorm, an'shuul, everything you went super hard! grats great gear

[strong forum]

Skill based loot drops

The new system

[dusty monolith]

explains a lot really

[ashen harness]

i have a weakaura that plays a sound every 20% trash in a dungeon, probably something everyone would call useless.

There are weakauras for literally everything, i think a WA for tangling is useless, even on those bosses. You just step out, and step back in.

Such as the chain boss, you just.... keep kiting... like you were already doing

but thats my opinion

if people find it usefull then great

[shut summit]

2nd neltharus forgestorm 🤭

[strong forum]

Entangling on last boss vp during triangle is very fun 🙂

[daring marlin]

wtf sense

[strong forum]

They never learned from quaking

[dusty monolith]

entangle on third boss HoI can also be juicy during hiding I imagine. got hit by hailstorm once becaue i was to far behind the ice shard

[daring marlin]

Just move out and back in

[strong forum]

You could technically walk outside los backwards

[daring marlin]

I gotta do the same tbh

I look forward to pain

[dusty monolith]

did that the other day and got hit, no idea how far behind is still save i was maybe 10 maybe 15 yards behind

[daring marlin]

And prot loot spec too? 🤢

[red wave]

Finding the 2nd point is hard but I notice taking Bloodborne (1 rank) over Battering Ram isn't simming much higher at all, despite being a 10% benefit to several strong abilities. I must be really downplaying Battering Ram in my head?

[strong forum]

Yes

Bloodborne is kaka

Battering ram is goated

Battering ram = more shield slams and just alot of auto attack dmg

[sick sentinel]

any prio on what pieces to get with omnitoken? Legs or head will give me 4 set. Same ilvl diff

[lofty widget]

taking 441 forgestorm?

[strong forum]

Your bleeds only make up like 15% of your dmg if not less

Buffing that by 10%

Is only a 1.5% gain

That's not alot

[red wave]

Yea, that's fair. Okay you walked me off the ledge.

[urban portal]

Blood borne should be a 1 pointer

[dusty monolith]

can you sim if axe at 447 sims higher than forgestorm at 441 please? i'm interrested in the difference

[strong forum]

Or helmet

[strong forum]

447 doesn't sim higher

[lofty widget]

forgestorm sims 1k higher for me

[red wave]

I've been debating going for forgestorm even though no primaries, but since I 447'd my sword I think I'd only do it if 441-vault.

[dusty monolith]

is forgestorm really that strong

damn

[dusty monolith]

you could run 17 Nelt and get one from there and upgrade to 441, no need to rely on vault

[red wave]

Ah you're right, 5/5 is still same as vault. Guess I'm farming Nelth.

I barely knew yee wasted spark.

[daring marlin]

It's a well designed dungeon at least

[thorny stone]

[red wave]

Forge* isn't simming better for me, but I have been curious in it since M0. might have to farm it and try for myself.

Tested again at 5 tar/3 minutes. Added a non-embellished 1H since I have a Fang on mine ATM.

Need to look up it's proc rate to see what a fair time comparison is though.

[strong forum]

It's rppm

So sometimes it can go crazy

On beta with 421 forgestorm I had it do up to 6k dps on dummies on ST

And sometimes only 1k

[red wave]

Gooood, I love items like this so I'm glad y'all are getting good experiences. I loved the week of pre season 1 I got to run it on war/enhance

[strong forum]

But yes, forgestorm won't perform as good in aoe as it does on ST

That's just fact

The extra Str from regular weapon goes a long way in big pulls

Stats in general will perform better in aoe

[soft plume]

for mark of dargrul do i need to be set to arms or fury loot or can prot get it too

[strong forum]

Only dps

[sick sentinel]

yea any dps

[strong forum]

Aaaah mobile

[weak spade]

what would you guys recommend as trinkets

[plush tendon]

Pins 😄

Nom wrote a pretty good thing

[lusty tiger]

who/what is your pfp

[sick sentinel]

How big of a damage increase is the shadowflame embellishment?

[jagged pier]

[signal plover]

I love being gone for 6mo and then reading some Nom wisdoms

[tulip egret]

Is @strong forum the god of prot ? guy knows everything

[signal plover]

No we worship our Lord and Savior Sense

Nom is like the sweaty majordomo that lets you into the temple

[hushed cobalt]

i raid as arms, and m+ as prot
is there any downside to having crafted legs and boots for both specs, as opposed to having 2 of these (Boots/Belt/Wrists/Shield)?

[turbid hemlock]

There's any weak aura to track our 4set?

[restive crown]

is there any cape with haste on it?

other then crafted one

specifically frm m+ lol

[glacial grove]

From Vortex

[toxic pewter]

I know the buff is called Earthen Tenacity...

[azure temple]

Whats the better trinket? Raid horn or anvil

[restive crown]

ow ok will nt upgrade other capes then

thanks

[crimson mountain]

just used a 424 heart in a 16 VP it feels like slightly lower dmg overall compared to my 415 Whetstone

[strong forum]

vp is a low pull dungeon

[lusty tiger]

have u done dragon + 2 assasins lust pull?

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-demon-cat-i-have-approximate-knowledge-of-many-things-wise-wisdom-gif-4593239

[lusty tiger]

not rly related most pulls r in fact 2-3 mobs

[strong forum]

i have not

cuz healer struggled a bit with dragon alone

[lusty tiger]

(:

[strong forum]

so i didnt decide for that pull