but u dont loose enough main stat to the point where your going to loose anything defensivly
#protection
jagged pier
and u gain more dps far more dps than that main stat can give u
so its literally a no brainer
tawny briar
Is anyone running spellblock anymore? I felt like there were a decent number of S1 dungeons I liked having it in
jagged pier
again u run it in the dungeons u need it like in S1
its pointless in freehold
or UR for instance
tawny briar
Right, I was curiuos which ones you thought needed it. UR maybe Neth's lair?
jagged pier
not needed in ither of those
uneven mason
So is the 437 from a 14 a 8/8 champion piece or a 3/5 hero?
daring marlin
Could be useful in Neltharus maybe
jagged pier
So is the 437 from a 14 a 8/8 champion piece or a 3/5 hero?
its a champion piece
uneven mason
Big sad
jagged pier
i mean its fine when i get it again its basically a free upgrade
tawny briar
that part is nice
uneven mason
Yeah just was hoping to get a pogstorm and be able to push it to 441
proper roost
wait, the 437 vault piece from a 14 is a champion item? no way
red acorn
That was my understanding too
proper roost
stonks are not looking good for my alt
jagged pier
no it has to drop from a 17 or higher to be on the hero track
uneven mason
Guess we'll find out when servers come back
proper roost
i mean, for the regular items from the end of run chest yeah
but what about vault
is the question
uneven mason
no it has to drop from a 17 or higher to be on the hero track
As a vault reward?
proper roost
like heroic raid gear is all on the hero track
jagged pier
dont think anyone knows
proper roost
it wouldn't really make sense to be on the champion track i don't think but idk
kind of a niche case ig because who is finishing at 14 this week
tawny briar
I think blizzard said when they were talking about the system that items would have a minimum level of upgrade levels if possible
fresh igloo
+16 and +17 in the vault are the same thing.
red acorn
As far as I'm aware, if something drops at 428+ regardless of source it will be Hero track and be upgradeable to 441. I don't think anybody knows for sure until later today.
tawny briar
Ya I feel like they said champion gear would drop with a miniumum of 4 upgrades, so if it was 428 it would be hero rather than 5/8 champion
pastel sleet
When will servers be up?
red acorn
Or earlier/later
daring marlin
It'll prolly be up earlier than that
red acorn
Small Indie Company afterall
daring marlin
Every downtime has been roughly an hour shorter maintenance lately.
tawny briar
They getting smart
tulip egret
What are we hoping for from vault
toxic pewter
Tier
tawny briar
it's way better to have maintenance done early then extend. So estimate longer
red acorn
Yeah
fresh igloo
oh so it's not always bad, just randomly bad?
strong forum
you need ultra mega dumbfuck pulls for it to bug out and do good dmg
like gigantic pulls
fresh igloo
who doesn't love gear that's RNG to be terrible or not
strong forum
oh so it's not always bad, just randomly bad?
no its only randomly good
fresh igloo
haha
strong forum
on average its 50-70% worse than others
toxic pewter
Did I read earlier apparently shadowflame embellishment on shield does more damage or something lol
strong forum
only on sims
toxic pewter
Oh ok
supple glacier
You go new build when i get 2 p or i w8 4p
jagged pier
2 pc
ionic fern
Hello Ghash,ily.
fresh igloo
i think that was "it doesn't matter which slot you put the shadowflame on in game"
toxic pewter
server is up for me btw area 52
daring marlin
good eye bro
red acorn
server is up for me btw area 52
Cheers
uneven mason
Ofc they come up just as my lunch ends
toxic pewter
447 tier helm baby!
toxic pewter
pog that it was in the 447 slot
i know right thx dude heh
strong forum
it oversims on shield
sonic moon
game is for babies
thorn sage
Is there a good source of info for prot trinkets? I didn't see anything in the pins
ionic fern
Seems that the waist enchant somehow skipped me. Thank you for mentioning it, added it.
red acorn
is 447 the max reward from vault for M+?
fringe arrow
I assume bit better to open as DPS Spec for the opportunity at dmg trinkets is that still correct?
ionic fern
I assume bit better to open as DPS Spec for the opportunity at dmg trinkets is t...
Correct.
fresh igloo
if you don't need a shield open as fury.
if you don't need a 1 hander or shield, arms.
fringe arrow
thank you
acoustic oasis
Is heart of thunder good?
toxic pewter
can confirm upgrading tier pieces to 441 ilvl gives mythic transmog appearance
pliant prism
hmmm Heroic tier shoulder or Normal rare cape from sarkareth?
hollow hill
if you don't need a shield open as fury.
Wouldn't opening as fury give you potential for a 2h?
sonic tangle
why is warrior F tier at current dungeon meta?
Because everyone is playing pally, whereas everyone was playing warrior before
fresh igloo
Wouldn't opening as fury give you potential for a 2h?
yes, but also one handers like forgestorm and dps trinkets
lusty karma
Womp womp, any thoughts? Have the wep already
sonic tangle
Vial is giga, take that
vestal cargo
even for prot?
left turret
i mean dh and warrior's player count are similiar but warrior is low tier than dh
toxic pewter
so am i supposed to do 1500 rep to get the spark item or is there another way
uneven mason
Tier legs
lusty karma
yeah wowhead guide lists it as C+ :/, have 415 whetstone and 421 Whispering
left turret
quick spruce
Is heart of thunder good?
Heart of thunder is godly
strong forum
Pwar worst tank confirmed, a log scraping website who ranks by popularity and keylevel says so
Unluck
dusky canopy
lusty karma
Fuck this I'm rerolling Shamaan tank, waited long enough
teal stratus
Wlock tank
dusky canopy
It’s cool when it’s like this because then you get the comments after dungeon like
“Damn this warrior owns”
“Who knew warrior could be so good”
Etc
“Warrior sleeper” that’s the best LOL
strong forum
i pugged all keys today just to have em done
so i have any kind of score
to get my free token
dusky canopy
Good call makes hitting 2k this week a cake walk
pliant prism
sry to bother, but is Sarkareth cloak good for Pwarr?
strong forum
yes
tame jasper
cuz ive not heard that
same 😄
pliant prism
uh
tame jasper
i pugged all keys today just to have em done
yep. glad I at least finished one 20
lusty karma
i'm split between heroic anchor, 444 haste/vers boots and animated blood
pliant prism
im between that N cloak or hc shoulder
deep sluice
good or not?
dusky canopy
good or not?
Great defensively yes if you need it
strong forum
^
its the pretty much best defensive trinket you can get
cuz its 1min CD for a good absorb
dusky canopy
Honestly kinda insane if you think about it
pliant prism
ye lol 1 min cd is god
dusky canopy
Imagine having that on Crawth or like tjs
strong forum
meaning you only take 25%
dusky canopy
Literal ezmode
deep sluice
nice ok cool ty
tame jasper
cuz it activates ignore pain
can u explain it to me, please? I thought order was: 1) armor reduction 2) absorb 3) ignore pain?
so how does the absorb is literally 1.2mil?
strong forum
if it was 100% absorb
it would absorb 100% of the damage meaning ignore pain would just sit AFK
because it comes before ignore pain
if its 50%
dusky canopy
Busting out the wizardry science on us
chrome sorrel
What do you think?
strong forum
it lets 50% of the dmg through, which means its say a 100k, gets reduced by 50k then the leftover 50k get reduced by 25k from ignore pain
dusky canopy
it lets 50% of the dmg through, which means its say a 100k, gets reduced by 50k ...
Ok this made it make sense for me that’s huge!
strong forum
the 1.2mil comes into play for that reason, effectively it helped you reduce a total of 1.2mil dmg instead of only 400k
because ignore pain could work aswell
noble wind
What shield do we craft? The base one with no effect?
strong forum
primal molten defender
sick sentinel
vault of shame incoming
dusky canopy
Primal molten deowner
dusty monolith
so do we actually stick to onyx and diurna for all of 10.1? sadge
dusky canopy
Pogstorm
strong forum
so do we actually stick to onyx and diurna for all of 10.1? sadge
in raid, yes
dusky canopy
so do we actually stick to onyx and diurna for all of 10.1? sadge
ST
strong forum
in m+, no
dusky canopy
Huge aoe loss but you could prob run it in tyr weeks if you want to focus boss damage
Idk if that’s really worth though tbh
sick sentinel
could be way worse
uneven mason
So to confirm - the 428 item my alt is getting is a 1/5 heroic
sick sentinel
do i equipp gloves now to get 4 pc s1
dusky canopy
Ye
strong forum
do i equipp gloves now to get 4 pc s1
yes
uneven mason
So vault rewards give heroic as low as +8
dusky canopy
I would keep 4pc s1 until you get 2pc season two
strong forum
hero is mythic
dusky canopy
Doesn’t really matter item level
uneven mason
🤘
dusky canopy
I mean unless you’re giga unluck and still have no tier by like week 4 and you have 20 item level upgrades in bag
next axle
What should we do with our first Spark of Shadowflame?
nocturne spindle
shield unless you gonna do nelth mythic
proper roost
Delaying vault until after work is the most gratifying thing there is
Won't even be looking at mine until after I've had a nice relaxing dinner
Absolutely tilt proof vault open
dusky canopy
Yeah pretty much 99% of people should do 447 spark shield, embellishment or not
sick sentinel
not sper keen on equip 402 gloves, hopefully i cna do catalyst
dusky canopy
I think they broke catalyst no?
sick sentinel
yeah, its the new one now
proper roost
yogi my man you are like 3 weeks late
crude notch
catalyst is down until june
proper roost
or 4 weeks early
topaz raptor
legs seem the best here, what do you think? the ring?
sick sentinel
well, hopefully next week i can do 2/4
topaz raptor
or the tormenter siphoning signet
opaque hearth
need to break up 4 piece, for a new tier item from the vault, wish i turned my s1 gloves into tier when it was still active to keep the old 4 piece going. Why did they have to remove the charges we earned for s1?
sick sentinel
too bad the catalyst isn't backwards compatible for the rest of dF
topaz raptor
yeah none of that loot sims as a dps increase over my 408 gear
smh
i gues legs are the best to hopfully trade in later for tier set
knotty vortex
was thinking chest piece only bad thing is i already have legs and shoulders for tier. kind of locks me into head and gloves for 4 set until catalyst comes out
plush tendon
I won’t know my vault for like 8 more hours sadge
all my friends opening their vaults.... and im at work
dusky canopy
Same bro same
topaz raptor
at work opening vault
dusky canopy
Rip
topaz raptor
😉
sonic moon
between a blue trinket from a wq, new shoulders from assault, and vault, 13% dps increase in 1 day. very neat.
weary python
Any thoughts on this? I feel like the tier gloves are the choice. As they won't replace my current tier. The ring is a nice option at 441 though(Big haste, low mastery, with avoidance).
modern kiln
I need to invest in a gaming laptop
long stone
was thinking chest piece only bad thing is i already have legs and shoulders for...
then go sharkbaits
knotty vortex
then go sharkbaits
no cause i got forgestorm
long stone
then take coins!!!!!
dusky canopy
was thinking chest piece only bad thing is i already have legs and shoulders for...
I think I would go chest and wait for catalyst in that spot
Tough choice honestly
You could get tier chest next week
But that’s just how rng goes
knotty vortex
yeah im sure but doesnt matter till i have an actual 4 piece anyway the good thing is it doesnt break my 2x 2pc set
the chest was my offpiece
tame jasper
it lets 50% of the dmg through, which means its say a 100k, gets reduced by 50k ...
ah now I got it. thanks
tropic gorge
all my friends opening their vaults.... and im at work
Same
hollow hill
oof my stats lol
hollow hill
isn't mastery like not nearly as good as vers
placid saffron
yeah very heavy mastery lol
strong forum
not rly
he has like 2k mastery
and 1.8k vers
like... mastery % doesnt work like other stats
placid saffron
1k too much mastery imo lol
strong forum
its not
hollow hill
kinda neat though it's a flat 10% extra block chance, 30% crit block, and 20% attack power
strong forum
you want a bit of mastery
feral rampart
Please tell me Heart of thunder is secret OP or something
strong forum
because critblocking is good
i have no idea about heart of thunder
all ive seen is people talk about it
tropic gorge
Crit block Is the shit
tropic gorge
I kinda wish we had a method of pushing crit block chance higher without gimping
strong forum
my feelycrafter number for mastery is, is that i dont want to be below 20%
because critblocking 20% of the time is quite nice
and its not alot of stats to get there
dusky canopy
You really can’t have to much of one stat as long as your ilvl keeps rising
strong forum
when you have very little mastery, getting only a few hundred is very effective
knotty stump
Helmet for 2 pc or trinket?
knotty stump
that's what I was thinking
tropic gorge
I'm hoping for a non leg tier item in mine
strong forum
trinket is good and all, but farmable
tropic gorge
I wanna run 2x2
knotty stump
true
dusky canopy
They trigger ring not the other way around
strong forum
its just good damage
sick sentinel
i thought perhaps there was more fire rings
strong forum
nop
weary python
Screaming Black Dragonscale is pretty meh, eh?
sick sentinel
WTB pocket anvil
weary python
There's no way I should pick that trinket over T30 tier, in a slot that isn't occupied by T29 tier, right? That's almost assuredly the correct pick?
dusky canopy
Two items I want from vault and I can’t roll for them in the same loot spec
Huge L
Well technically could roll for both in Prot spec
But then I could roll a shield.. rip
sick sentinel
i wonder what volcanic damage is, presumably fire + earth dmg
unkempt rover
thats what I mean yeah like do we eventually wear something else
wary spire
Whats the hardest and easiet dungeon to tank now?
nocturne spindle
double shadowflame or belt
arctic fulcrum
bros
strong forum
easiest dungeon are UR/FH
arctic fulcrum
i need help on this one
strong forum
hardest prolly brackenhide / halls
arctic fulcrum
tropic gorge
I like free hold
tropic gorge
It's good fun
strong forum
its pvp tier
which means you cant upgrade it with crests right?
so just stick to the boots
sick sentinel
441 boots looks huge to me
arctic fulcrum
thanks team
plush tendon
hardest prolly brackenhide / halls
This is pain... (I know its a reddit meme.... but we had to abandon a 20 VP after 2 hours on last boss ourselves)
plush tendon
healer cant keep up with spark damage/dps cant kill it fast enough
idk which is which tbh
plush tendon
by the 7 try..... you start messin up the jump
and its a shit show
from my experience, Halls and Bracken are on the fairer side for dungeons
fresh igloo
healer cant keep up with spark damage/dps cant kill it fast enough
yes
plush tendon
but if you get a VP.... and you arent sure about your dps or healer.... id suggest not going there
weary python
are people usually putting shadowflame on their shield?
mighty valley
in fort week it'll be easier to grind your way over the finish line
plush tendon
are people usually putting shadowflame on their shield?
you can
Im not yet.... its too expensive
fresh igloo
or boots or wrist or belt
plush tendon
Im probably gonna put it on boots
and maybe belt
so I can use those for arms or something
jagged pier
u can literally craft anything else with shadowflame patch
quick spruce
Is mark of dagrul prot spec only drop
jagged pier
nope doesnt drop for prot
hazy hazel
u can literally craft anything else with shadowflame patch
So shield + craft a separate piece probably the route.
jagged pier
probably yer
quick spruce
Well this is the only thing in my vault I considered taking.
strong forum
not bad, not great either
sick sentinel
well , it works all on its own just by being equipped and being in combat, and it deals damage,, so, it cant be ALL bad
nocturne spindle
fort bolster go brr
sick sentinel
mmmm no, it has a chance to give you a buff in which you can get a maximum of 5 x 7600 dmg
so, it has a cooldown... im not sure if i'd use it
frozen rose
Does lining up avatar and potting during bloodlust/time warp windows matter much for Protection? From a dps perspective. Not aware how those two abilities effect/interact with pots and avatar
tropic gorge
Fort bolster is good luck tank week
And ofc dps "pull more we're not gonna time! Omg tank pull bigger!"
daring marlin
got melted in neltharus 2 times
Some of that trash absolutely trucks the tank.
daring marlin
that's wild lol
strong forum
but now for m+ you cant anymore
nocturne spindle
dragon breath go ouchie
next axle
I got hero shield from vault today, should I use spark on lariat or frostfire legguards of prep and replace lariat with a different neck
tulip egret
I have my draconic mark still so I should prob grab 2 piece correct?
sick sentinel
so, how much is the gap in ilvl to make dropping 424 haste versa gloves for 402 s1 set gloves
if i want to s1 set 4/4 i have to do 402 set s1 gloves, and i doubt its worth
tulip egret
but those wrists are haste verse ilvl 447 😦
sick sentinel
it used to be umnder the vcalor sysem that wrists were by far the easiest to level up and lowest stat contributions
loud crow
Neck or belt?
strong forum
belt
strong forum
it used to be umnder the vcalor sysem that wrists were by far the easiest to lev...
all items cost the same now iirc
daring marlin
yep
sick sentinel
my reaction to belt is no because im fairly sure we do the fire belt still
next axle
Repost for visibility: I got hero shield from vault today, should I use spark on lariat or frostfire legguards of prep and replace lariat with a different neck
strong forum
replace lariat
tulip egret
I think you replace Lariat
sick sentinel
we arent going to recraft lariat?
next axle
I have them from last season
sick sentinel
at some point, its no more good?
strong forum
yeah throw em away next chance you get
same as lariat
lariat is not good anymore
its nerfed
sick sentinel
interesting, well, mines still low ilvl, 402 or 408 or soemthin
most of my best equipped gear is still 411
next axle
I got a Hero shield drop in vault today and took it, so now I am left wondering what to use my spark on haha
I guess I could craft a shield and scuff the vault choice
Seems so bad to do tho
strong forum
craft whatever you want
there is no prio on anything besides shield > embellish > ilvl upgrade
as explained in the pin
sick sentinel
food literal 4th spark or?
cuz, shield is 1 , then 2 embellshiments, so could be 3rd
edgy venture
99% healing parse on Kazzara HC am I good now
woven dove
hey guys. does 4pc apply punish to all?
ancient cosmos
big oof on all Crit/Mastery; I mainly do M+ so Patch sim isn't ideal but it's saying to swap my 421 Crit/Mas cloak, but I also have 421 Lariat and Annulet (which pin says can be swapped after 440 ring). At a bit of a loss honestly.
strong forum
hey guys. does 4pc apply punish to all?
4pc isnt aoe shieldslam, it just does an extra aoe dmg effect
it applies the 5% DR the tierset offers, but not punish DR
strong forum
big oof on all Crit/Mastery; I mainly do M+ so Patch sim isn't ideal but it's sa...
cloak
sick sentinel
i think he means SS does 30% more dmg
strong forum
also doesnt apply
the 4pc proc has nothing to do with how much dmg shield slam itself does
woven dove
gotcha. worth dropping for bolster ey
knotty vortex
is there a such thing as too much haste
strong forum
gotcha. worth dropping for bolster ey
?
strong forum
is there a such thing as too much haste
7100 is when you wanna stop
ancient cosmos
ty
woven dove
i want spell block
strong forum
then you drop bloodsurge more likely
knotty vortex
7100 is when you wanna stop
so u really dont stop getting haste
strong forum
also in which dungeon is spellblock actually good
ive done all keys and i didnt really see any good use effects for spellblock at all
sick sentinel
spell block probably good against cragmaw spit
knotty vortex
thats my stats now
wide lantern
what are the best embelishments for m+?
turbid hemlock
I have my 2p Tier and im playing with bolster and into the fray how much haste its ok to play with into the fray?
warm plinth
You always play ITF with 2pc
strong forum
you dont need any amount of haste to play it
with bolster +2pc you have 100% block uptime
turbid hemlock
But i mean do i need something of crit or mastery?
heady stratus
Guys I used the first spark for the shield. Making the weapon with the second is a good option or am I looking for something else?
warm plinth
But i mean do i need something of crit or mastery?
ilevel>haste>crit=verse>mastery
strong forum
im thinking of where to run spellblock
sick sentinel
look for addon: true stat values, converts everyhing to number %'s and gives you a bar on how much (mastery) before next break point
warm plinth
fort halls maybe? For dragons?
strong forum
and the only dungeon that looks to be that way is neltharions lair
and maybe halls yeah
but outside of that?
i dont see a point really
turbid hemlock
ilevel>haste>crit=verse>mastery
that rule apply for dungeons?
strong forum
yes
proper roost
which mobs would you be running spell block in nelths lair for?
the piercing shard guys?
strong forum
2nd boss and the piercing sharders
warm plinth
hulks, and yeah, sunder boi
proper roost
yeah 💀
warm plinth
turbid hemlock
So based on my stats i need more crit right?
strong forum
i guess neltharus in giga high fort
warm plinth
Which I mean, is good since it's kind of annoying to have to give up bloodsurge or punish for spell block anyway
warm plinth
So based on my stats i need more crit right?
ilevel trumps anything.
Don't worry about having x stat
tame jasper
@strong forum is there an ilvl suggestion where we go down from 4pc old set to 2pc oldset, without new set, due higher ilvl?
knotty vortex
also when do we drop the onyx ammulet M+ wise
turbid hemlock
Im asking bc i have 2 rings 1 haste vers 441 and 441 crit haste
warm plinth
what's the other ring?
turbid hemlock
Skyshard Ring and Circle of Ascended Frost
warm plinth
No I mean, besides those
If you're choosing between them then there must be another ring right?
turbid hemlock
Oh ye a crafted on with embelisthment of prepots
warm plinth
I would take the crit/haste ring personally, but there's not really a wrong answer there
turbid hemlock
I would take the crit/haste ring personally, but there's not really a wrong answ...
Thanks
tame jasper
none of bosses do magic dmg
is this an answer to my question, as ignore pain is on of our magic dam reduces and higher ilvl = more armor = les sphys dam?
strong forum
no just me throwing it out into the room
tame jasper
😄
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is there an ilvl suggestion where we go down from 4pc old ...
pins
tame jasper
oh didn't noticed it was pinned 4 days ago, sry 😦
steel sandal
With 4p, will popping last stand on cd (for trash packs) and canceling early be the way to go?
tame jasper
checked it last week before m+ started (facepalm)
pallid quiver
Considering cancelling early should do nothing,
warm plinth
With 4p, will popping last stand on cd (for trash packs) and canceling early be ...
You can't cancel Last Stand, and it wouldn't be the way to go anyway.
steel sandal
Huh, didn't know that. Thanks, I hate it.
finite ibex
x2 shadowflame or Frostfire?
warm plinth
Why would you want to cancel Last Stand anyway
That would be the shitty way of playing to me
mighty valley
it still seems extremely niche that it would be worth throwing away all the bonuses you get during LS for a little earlier aoe burst
glad it's not possible i guess
warm plinth
Yeah I think it actually was cancellable before? But either way I'm thankful it's not possible now
granite pond
x2 shadowflame or Frostfire?
I think 2xpatch sims a tiny bit higher and you can craft better stats, but my frostfire already has a socket on it so I’m just going with that
pallid quiver
When it was possible iirc, there were fairly fringe times where cancelling early would have been a DPS gain
likely for the better for the populace at large that you straight out can't cancel anymore
steel sandal
Why would you want to cancel Last Stand anyway
Damage is usually the limiting factor in timing keys. More damage, better timed keys.
pallid quiver
since it was not a particularly overpowering optimization
warm plinth
Yeah but like...you're not losing the damage by not cancelling Last Stand?
strong forum
you cant cancel LS
warm plinth
In fact you're gaining damage because you get the bonus shield slam damage during Last Stand
finite ibex
I think 2xpatch sims a tiny bit higher and you can craft better stats, but my fr...
socket will go away when you craft it into s2 gear but I get what youre saying. Having a dilemma atm deciding what to craft
steel sandal
It is if half the adds die while last stand is up.
strong forum
would be the scenario of: a big aoe pull that lasts less than 20 seconds
if it lasts 35seconds youd only lose out by cancelling early
warm plinth
I mean, in a relevant situation that's not likely to happen. And in keys you'd just hold Last Stand til the next pack if shit was about to die like you would any CD
strong forum
yes
but it doesnt matter since you cant cancel anyway
so the discussion is mega irrelevant
warm plinth
Saves us from these types of conversations amirite
pallid quiver
unfortunately, it does not
strong forum
just shut down the convo
toxic pewter
my gear has too much crit on it, i have 36% crit
strong forum
whats the point of the mega hypothetical tryna napkin math a situation thats physically virtually and literally not possible anymore
noble prism
I have a 441 weap one-hand and other 424 forgestorm, if I craft a 447 shield can I upgrade my forgestorm to 437 without spending crests?
strong forum
yes
noble prism
thanks my lord @strong forum
strong forum
real thunder
Hello looking at the pin in regards to emblishments. It doesn't list the lariat...is that not good for us anymore at max level when we have our gear gem slotted?
warm plinth
No, it's not better than shadowflame patch
granite pond
It’s better than any other neck…but not better than two shadow flame patches
dry spear
I didnt upgrate my crafted shield. I am waiting for vault. If a forgestorm is in there i take that. If a good shield is instead there i take that and upgrate something else with the embellish right?
real thunder
thanks
sick sentinel
Do you have méthode for farm gold
warm plinth
I didnt upgrate my crafted shield. I am waiting for vault. If a forgestorm is in...
No, you make a shield and take the forgestorm
dry spear
Vault is 447. and i wanna open as prot
mystic radish
This would be my stats when speccing to tank as fury x: prop completely dogshit and not able to go for 17+ with this right?
tame jasper
This would be my stats when speccing to tank as fury x: prop completely dogshit ...
i have done 19 with less
warm plinth
This would be my stats when speccing to tank as fury x: prop completely dogshit ...
stats don't matter
mystic radish
From s1 I found everything below 30% haste a bit ass 😄 but I might be just bad
warm plinth
Well it should be better this season once you get tier since you can run ItF now. Makes it easier to get to that mark
mystic radish
Have been playing itf in s1 as well o: liked it much more than hr
modern brook
Hey I found why it felt like ass
warm plinth
just gonna leave that alone
mystic radish
have been running this s1. Maybe gotta look up the changes
warm plinth
AAAAAHHH
granite pond
Oh no
tame jasper
😄
urban portal
Get him boys
mystic radish
still not using WW and Slam as prot? :p
mystic radish
This build you linked was never good
o: had it from Subcreation
WIth Spellblock for ruby x:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVEUFVYVVQCRE
would take this now
mystic radish
Got 2pc atm and 4 tomorrow
signal perch
Hi, is lariat still bis for prot warriors?
scenic bough
quick question on stat prios: if i want to min max dps does crit become more valuable than vers?
leaden lion
hi everyone i m new to the spec still trying to grasp the basics of taking and prot warrior as well looking to learning from u all !
fresh igloo
quick question on stat prios: if i want to min max dps does crit become more val...
yeah. go for crit/haste, but a little of everything is good. our survival comes from good play.
fresh igloo
hi everyone i m new to the spec still trying to grasp the basics of taking and p...
heya, try starting with the guides on wowhead or icy veins, then when you've figured out the basics the pins in this channel have some refinements to shoot for
scenic bough
my group is weird because we have insane healers and pretty decent tanks, so i always end up feeling too tanky lol
sour venture
guys i need help with the vault, i have the crafted weapon 427 and a 411 helmet but i lose the tier set (4) bonus from the last patch :c
rancid ember
4 set from last patch very minor. ILVL stats > that bonus
sour venture
4 set from last patch very minor. ILVL stats > that bonus
thank you 
gray fern
if i open vault as prot will I still be able to get dps trinkets
lean lagoon
gray fern
word ty
sharp abyss
what are good talents toplay with the new 4pc?
thin finch
anytips on how to deal with entangling? I think some bosses can become quite difficult to manage with the affix
jagged pier
what are good talents toplay with the new 4pc?
tame jasper
4 set from last patch very minor. ILVL stats > that bonus
If 15+ on each, according to „check the pins“ 📌
cinder nova
@strong forum
Do I go Mark of Dargrul at 444 or 2P on gloves
I stand at a bitter crossroads.
sharp abyss
tyty
cinder nova
Wait, do we not run Bolster or UF in M+
where the hell do we get the points for them in the M+ build
jagged pier
feral gulch
is frostfire belt better than a 2nd patch if i have 421 erranog ring
crystal mauve
447 gloves or heroic tiers set gloves ? (We raid and clear heroic)
dusky canopy
Can you live without 4pc until catalyst?
crystal mauve
This is why I'm wondering, I guess for prog I should go with the 441 heroic tiers set gloves then?
strong forum
yes
crystal mauve
Thank you 🙂
crystal mauve
I mean, I can, but I'm a tank soooooo I will get it in 5 weeks anyway lol
vocal verge
How do the basilisk in ulda feel today?
tame jasper
Uh thoughts?
Socket 🤷♂️
main shoal
i have full 415 gear tier seat, should i drop something for the chest?
dusky canopy
Reforging
Man I liked that a lot!
Bring that back without restriction
If I want some haste on every slot I better be able to do it!
modern brook
i have full 415 gear tier seat, should i drop something for the chest?
sim > frag> seal imo
plush tendon
can tokens be used to buy sparks?
ebon sparrow
Hey everyone, quick question, I got forgestorm at 441, and last week I had crafted the 447 primal molten longsword. Which one should I use ?
plush tendon
sim, but prob forge
ebon sparrow
sim, but prob forge
thank you
thin finch
anytips on how to deal with entangling? I think some bosses can become quite dif...
I fear the answer is re-roll pally
plush tendon
leap or charge?
thin finch
nvm Avatar can remove it
tender quartz
thin finch
leap or charge?
no, theres 2 bosses on neltarions lair where your cant move for some moments. Vortex pinacle the drake boss require you to be precise on your movement. Theres simply a lot of bosses that will punishing you for moving in the wrong moment
strong forum
altairus is just turn back to wind
and leap over ring
ggs
his frontal is for everybody to avoid
its not only aimed at tank
undone verge
Forgestorms our bis right?
strong forum
si
proper roost
Like legit skill issue not sure what to say, entangling is not an issue for pwar or really any tank tbqh
undone verge
447 in my vault then lesgo
proper roost
but especially not pwar
thin finch
I didnt know you could leap over the wave nice to know it
proper roost
💀
thin finch
Like legit skill issue not sure what to say, entangling is not an issue for pwar...
🖕 haha
proper roost
not... not sure about that one
toxic pewter
which better 437 belt with socket or 441 belt u guys think
undone verge
prob 437 socket, but id sim it
glad sail
What stats should I throw on my crafted shield. Haste and?
thorny stone
Crit
icy flax
and leap over ring
You can leap over the ring?
icy flax
That's sick
strong forum
it just oversims
unintended behaviour in sims when you have 2x shadowflame
if 1 of them is on shield it quadruples shadowflame dmg in sims
somehow
goes from 2.7k to 7.6k dps
lament zealot
I'm sure this has been asked a million times, should I loot vault as prot or fury?
daring marlin
I can roll with might and do giga damage
sick sentinel
<:HeroicLeap:592472895163465729>
looks more like a bloody axe being thrown than a guy jumping to me :S
strong forum
but people are uh, not very good
ive been always top 2 or top 1 dps
as tank in those keys
daring marlin
same bro lol
strong forum
cuz you want dps trinkets, and not tank trinkets
theyre better than initally assumed
talisman is good
but like, way overkill
sick sentinel
i mean, i personally wouldn't mind some tank trinkets and some dps ones, but i'll take what i get really
strong forum
unless you plan on pushing ultra keys, not relevant
strong forum
yeah it feels bad
sick sentinel
i filter trinkets by good effect and automatic or not
strong forum
no longer hitting 200k shield slams
very weird
or sometimes not even 100k shield slams outside of CDs
very weird
daring marlin
He put the parrygodx back
sick sentinel
2 automatic trinkets is good, you never have to stop and think about when to use it
daring marlin
we're so back
toxic pewter
with tier I have been hitting some high shield slams
strong forum
only the nelths have usecase in high keys for it
sick sentinel
would mostly melee dmg keys make armor stuff and enchants more valuable?
strong forum
ye, used to be reflectable
strong forum
would mostly melee dmg keys make armor stuff and enchants more valuable?
they were always valuable
cuz armor = str
and str = armor
sick sentinel
you never enchanted for armor or trinketed for it (the bfa mecah dungeon plating one)
strong forum
well not trinket
sick sentinel
same with the shields deck SL
strong forum
but rn
you never chose armor trinkets cuz they sucked
and still do
cuz theyre tuned like ass
but you play frosted armor kit
cuz its more dmg
toxic pewter
what about chest str enchant
strong forum
also run dat
daring marlin
I must've gotten a forgestorm proc at sub 20% on harlan
it did 8.5% of my damage
lmao
strong forum
sick sentinel
strong forum
thats a tiny thing, not a fan
sick sentinel
im doing it wrong then :S
nova vector
still need to use my first spark. have a 437 weapon and 441 shield. any recs on which slot to craft?
just make sure its a non-tier slot?
strong forum
non-tier, ilvl upgrade
we deliberately didnt use instigate over imp wall
cuz its less realistic to play
sure
but you give up like 40seconds of SW CDR for more auto attack dmg
and less rage gen
sick sentinel
no idea why its fierce armor kit 2, but probably price
one was probably 30 gold other was 6k
strong forum
most people use fierce armor kit cuz ook ook stamina
same goes for chest enchant
but im not giving up 40 str for 12k hp
wait no its even more str iirc
sick sentinel
this is why i need stam
strong forum
🐸
toxic pewter
oh cuz of freedom?
sick sentinel
how am i gunna be thicccc if no stam
crude notch
this new affix doesn't exist for pally
don't exist for me monk either nerd
nova vector
sorry for another dumb questions related to crafted gear. i'm gonna recraft my belt which is currently 417. When I go to create the order, it says I can increase recipe difficulty with an enchanted crest, but I thought I watched a video where Dratnos said that was a poor use of resources?
I just wanna make sure I get the highest ctafted ilvl possible
sick sentinel
have yet to do this dungeon on mythic + bit scared of tyranical this
sick sentinel
always get hit by the ice rings
nova vector
highest craft possible = use highest mats
got it. thanks!
undone verge
ice rings one shot on tyran anything higher than a 15
nova vector
are people commiting 4 aspects crests this early on for 447 crafted pieces?
strong forum
min-maxing crests is only relevant if you want to hit 441 ilvl this week
starting next week, its irrelevant
proper roost
aspect crests are pretty low value tbqh
proper roost
unless you're farming mythic raid loot right now
your limiting factor is wyrm crests
strong forum
and want to push 23s RIGHT now
proper roost
til week 3
nova vector
well im in the 15 to 18 range atm
nova vector
oh right i forgot that. because i think i only got 8 last week
so i can get up to 12 this week to make 20 over the 2 weeks
nocturne spindle
mannn whole crest was supposed to mean no valor farming
now im just valor farming at 11s
proper roost
farming wyrm crests is a shitty part of the system yeah honestly
but also means i get carries on my alt
sick sentinel
under rot
nocturne spindle
underrot cause its 50 feet long
toxic pewter
prob underrot ya
proper roost
has to be 11-15 for wyrms
strong forum
honestly
sick sentinel
underrot is giga fast with even semi competent group
strong forum
brackenhide
sick sentinel
i did something in 8 UR that someone said "spicy"
dusky canopy
I mean bracken hide doesn’t have a lot of kicks
proper roost
But unless you have high gear in every slot I'd find it surprising if doing 15s for the gear was still not worth it for you idk
dusky canopy
So in an 11 at 441+ ilvl you can really really blast
sick sentinel
i did this to our +8
fresh igloo
you just pull more % during RP tho
frozen rose
is 2 piece changing rotation at all? priority list? all i can see if last stand is now an offensive CD as well, so use accordingly
proper roost
you should be pulling during fh rp in any level key anyways
the first one is 1min and the second one is 30s
sick sentinel
the section once you are across the bridge from firstg boss can be gross to avoid/pull
like you can go around technically and not aggro the group of 4 or 5 on the house corner but that never happens it pulls
echo egret
Anyone has a definite answer as to when you take/don't take the damage with the boulder boss in Halls of Infusion ?
mighty valley
has to be a non-cracked rock
echo egret
But there are not enough non-cracked for 5 people
trim pumice
you can use the same
mighty valley
you don't need a personal rock
echo egret
If two go behind a boulder, they die from Avalanche
strong forum
nah
you just wait until the hailstorm projectiles have flown out
and then go back to boss
boulder will break from the projectile
proper roost
Avalanche only happens when youre near a breaking boulder
teal geyser
A full boulder will become cracked if hit with typhoon
proper roost
read the dungeon journal it says it explicitly
teal geyser
A cracked boulder will avalanche
daring marlin
If two go behind a boulder, they die from Avalanche
???????
teal geyser
Nah you’re misinterpreting the damage star
echo egret
2 bolts = boulder explodes = avamlanche
teal geyser
No
daring marlin
no
proper roost
no
proper roost
teal geyser
Don’t stand between boss and boulder
daring marlin
Our entire group was behind a single cube
you bait the tornado away from your cube and that's all
It's probably one of the most basic bosses out of all the new dungeons
daring marlin
the only difficult thing about it is how much the healer has to do
echo egret
sorry in a M +
teal geyser
Are we being trolled?
strong forum
That boss really is easy my guy, just stand behind Rock while she's casting hailstorm
hardy snow
this season begins pretty lucky for me with weapon, much better than previous one 
strong forum
Otherwise get the fuck away from rock
weary python
Would you guys bother upgrading this, or would you just go with a crafted weapon instead?
strong forum
Get forgestorm
weary python
Is forge just better in all situations?
fresh igloo
Would you guys bother upgrading this, or would you just go with a crafted weapon...
might as well upgrade that while you're farming for forgestorm.
daring marlin
Is forge just better in all situations?
yes
hardy snow
That boss really is easy my guy, just stand behind Rock while she's casting hail...
but not behind slightly broken ones
teal geyser
I only came here to ask how prot was feeling at the minute for you guys and ending up getting into some wierd theorycrafting on the easiest of new bosses
weary python
might as well upgrade that while you're farming for forgestorm.
I was going to put the aspects into upgrading my Shield and Belt tbh.
mighty valley
to be fair "how is prot feeling" doesn't often generate great conversation either
strong forum
Is forge just better in all situations?
if youre not gonna grind forgestorm or youre getting unlucky, you can upgrade this weapon
if you have upgraded weapon + shield it will only cost flightstones to upgrade the next weapon
teal geyser
to be fair "how is prot feeling" doesn't often generate great conversation eithe...
You guys dooming? Doesn’t seem popular but didn’t know if it was just because the other prot is so abrasive atm
daring marlin
pwarr owns
fresh igloo
i really hate that question.
mighty valley
PWarr's feeling fine to me, paladin is the meta but who care
strong forum
pwar is omega fine
fresh igloo
really glad I never pug if that's how perception keeps going.
strong forum
its just unpopular for no reason other than pink warrior gud
toxic pewter
is pwarr still the king of mitigating physical damage
thin silo
if you're not in the position of relying on pug invites, it's great
"Not the tank perceived to be OP" is ideal for us
daring marlin
@crude notch stinky monk
mighty valley
you're not a paladin? you don't have 4pc week 2? you can't tank my +6
toxic pewter
lawl
thin silo
so you do rely on it
<-- doesn't pug M+s
strong forum
well neither do i usually
i just forced myself to get every key done today
to get easy token next week
but its insanity
to get declined for 15s
thin silo
but yeah, what I was getting at is "mechanics are fine, only issue is community perception bleeding into those hyper-opti-max inviters"
strong forum
yes
timber girder
Lol yet my 392 prot warrior got invited to a 12
strong forum
keys are a joke for us
dmg is almost exclusively on dps and physical dmg
almost no boss does any scary dmg
timber girder
Pugs are so hit or miss
timber girder
Yeah keys are pretty easy this season on tanks, although vp on my Druid was not nearly as fun
prisma crane
the basilisks in Uldaman arent the most fun
and those snakes require a constant kite or you're dead
its not hard to kite them like that, but it's annoying
better when they're synced though
timber girder
Better than old necrotic lol
prisma crane
for sure
prisma crane
also adds on 2nd in Underrot if they arent killed fast can hurt, ideally not spawned at all, but i feel like the hitbox to step on the maggots is smaller than it was in BFA
cunning knot
besides forgestorm
prisma crane
you want ilvl
toxic pewter
tier pieces, weapon, shield, trinkets
the usual good stuff
rare items from raid
(not in that order)
viral axle
got my crafted shield to 447 last week, should i go for the wep this week or get my dbl shadowflame armor patch done first and get boots or belt to 447?
tribal kraken
playing tank/prot warrior first time this season, are there guides for dungeon routes out there? Using Mythic Dungeon Tools?
fresh igloo
playing tank/prot warrior first time this season, are there guides for dungeon r...
if you just want some guidance on simple routes get the suggested pug routes from Quaazi
no invis skips or anything, just a recommended path.
but also a good idea to test things for yourself
echo egret
Thank god many routes this season are "just kill everything that makes sense going forward"
tropic gorge
all you guys that had good luck on your vault, pass that shit on to me
time to open it
swaps to fury
thin silo
out of 6 slots, I got offered 3 boots 2 rings & a bracer
RIP
tropic gorge
i know your pain my friend
crude notch
<@714890000189358110> stinky monk
what you say to me bish
crude notch
I don't get declined to keys because I don't apply to keys that i'm not qualified to run.
tropic gorge
i get declined from 12-14 range. i cant get into 15's that aren't mine yet out of lfg
i dont think its last season io when it showed. maybe ilvl and it seems lots of people are looking for paladins
daring marlin
That's what Jordan and I have been saying
peak furnace
io is everything
crude notch
Guys why doesn't my 407 ilvl 700 io Bear get invited to 20s, surely it's because I'm playing Bear.
tropic gorge
is feirce armor kit still the go to?
left basalt
drifting mountain
has anyone had a 1m melee on Neltharion HC? after the tank knock through the wall into taunt swap
the tank who taunts has sometimes taken a 1m melee
thin silo
Punt debuff triples phys damage taken, and I think it lasts long enough to overlap a bit
taunting tank probably doesn't have their defenses up or smth
drifting mountain
ah okay that makes sense, we just killed it but was curious why both our prot pala and warr got slammed by it
thin silo
Active mit & ideally a short CD should be running before the taunt goes off
that reminds me I need to start my book report summary on all the boss strats for the tank who wasn't here last week >_<
hallow phoenix
447 crit > vers neck, 444 weapon, and 441 mastery > haste legs in vault. Shucks. Was gonna craft a weapon but might be able to hold off on that. Realllyyy don't think i want the neck
strong forum
F
that neck is still good, weapon gets replaced by 441 forgestorm, legs get replaced by tier
so pick your poison
hallow phoenix
441 forgestorm better than 447 crafted?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
shouldnt be a big diff
balmy pawn
Is Mark of Dargrul real or bait? I'm between a 437 Hero track mark and a 418 Champ track tier gloves.
fresh igloo
man I'm getting really tired of this damn 411 drogbar rocks trinket.
strong forum
same
fresh igloo
keep getting new replacements that don't actually replace it.
strong forum
its super inconsistent
sometimes only does 2k dps
sometimes does 4k
whetstone is consistent
in aoe dungeons ive replaced rocks with all-totem again
its just way better
only in small pull dungeons like vortex ill play rocks for the time being
fresh igloo
in aoe dungeons ive replaced rocks with all-totem again
ah, never got one of those sadly.
craggy pilot
rocks meaning the Cavern trinket?
fresh igloo
warm plinth
Nome you ready for merektha's fang again when we get temple again