protection

[dull relic]

forgin what

[fringe siren]

Forgiving*, if you update the same slot again it won't cost crests

[dull relic]

yea

[fringe siren]

So you can full send upgrades with no worries

[stone pike]

You can upgrade whatever piece you get for the most part. Any future pieces in that same slot will upgrade with no crest requirement and a discount on flightstones.

Get a 2H weapon first though, it enables the discount for 1H and shield.

[zenith briar]

When you're running up to tusk there's a big arc on the floor on the right side of the room. I stand on that as close to the wall on my right as i can as I face boss to start and work my way left. Group stacks to bait charge directly opposite me, whoever gets breath moves out. After each charge I shift left just enough to keep him clear of lava when he gets back to me. Group keeps baiting charges parallel to the first

If random lava is fucking with dps in a spot I back pedal a bit so they can stay on his arse. If we run out of room moving left I follow boss on charge then bring him back up the same wall he hits to bring him to where he started and work back down the room charging the opposite wall.

[unique cobalt]

quick question, am new to tanking, picked up prot warrior, it feels great rn running normal dungeons, but I've checked raider io, and prot warrior seems to be one of the lowest picked for keys above 15, did something major change on the spec? is it going to be a problem to tank on prot warrior this patch?

[zenith briar]

Group utility isn't as good as other tanks is the reason I believe

[unique cobalt]

but as damage / survivability goes it's still regard one of the best am I right ?

[zenith briar]

My Brewmaster friend shits on me for damage but maybe I'm bad 😄

[fringe siren]

@unique cobalt why would you play warrior over paladin if you were pushing, or over monk? Monk does more damage, paladin has better utility and defensive, no real niche for it

Warrior is still a fine tank, but def not going to be super used for peak group comps

[zenith briar]

Easy to live though!

[fresh igloo]

nothing changed in prot. things changed for other classes, like prot pally got better.

looking at top meta comps will, of course, use the top meta classes.

doesn't mean anything is wrong with running keys as prot warrior.

[timber terrace]

Tank specs matter way less this season in dungeons, warrior can do just fine but you're probably gonna get declined from groups because some ppl will only invite palas

[edgy locust]

what shield should i craft ?

[long stone]

Molten

[unique cobalt]

from what I've seen monks have shit load of keybinds, can't deal with that really, and it seems one of the harder tanks to play properly, paladin was my second pick but leveled the warrior first to give it a test

[daring marlin]

[unique cobalt]

I have limited time to play, 2 hours max after work .. am afraid of that point, struggling to get into keys 15 and above since most people would pref other tanks

I guess I'll give pala a try, seems harder also to play in keys but I'll look into his kit first

[finite ibex]

So instead of 447 Frostfire Belt are we looking to craft a regular belt with the shadowflame patch? Out of places besides that to put another patch.

[broken juniper]

just finished neltharus 20

no forgestorm drop unfortunately

[long stone]

Neltharus fix - wohooo

[amber siren]

some trash nerfs before fort week

[fringe siren]

Which boss got you nerv?

I thought magmatusk was the brick wall myself personally

[oblique kayak]

will be interesting. No clue how fort will change the dungeons.

[oblique kayak]

only if people suck at baiting

if you got a good group it’s very very doable

if not..yeah

[fringe siren]

I just did it on a 19 with a good group, still felt overtuned compared to everything else

[oblique kayak]

btw anyone else found the eggs in NL don’t work anymore to avoid spiked tounge

[oblique kayak]

compared - yes. Just didn’t think it’s a wall

[sick sentinel]

Quick question,my ilvl is 418 and I think I am getting melted even in 14-16 on trash, so I replaced some haste with vers, but do you think I should push my keys or just do low keys to get gear and then go for higher keys?

[dry spear]

We did a 20 yesterday too. Magma was our wall too. Crazy aoe dmg. But i had fun progressing the dungeon

[limpid anchor]

You don’t replace haste with vers, you can replace anything but haste

[oblique kayak]

don’t lise haste. If your melted check cooldown usage, if you can avoid mechanics via positioning or stuns. If not stay to lower keys:)

[limpid anchor]

And gear isn’t the issue, your playstyle is

[sick sentinel]

Oh ok, I thought that was a bad idea haha, ok.

[sick sentinel]

Oh you mean my defensive use and rotation, ok, thats a good point, thanks

[limpid anchor]

Yea

[broken juniper]

Yeah the mammoth and the forgemaster.

Hardest part of the forgrmaster is the freakin walk back when u wipe (without a rogue to open the door)

[limpid anchor]

Sense has 7k more dps than me

I need to figure out the rotation

Are we not running instigate (or whatever it’s called) anymore in st?

[jagged pier]

if u have 2 set

sense also has beacon

[limpid anchor]

Could have just checked pins :(

Who doesn’t have beacon in week 1

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[sick sentinel]

bruh

is forgestorm even a thing

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

this shit is not dropping

im pissed off

[jagged pier]

just be better

[sick sentinel]

bruh

you got yours ?

[jagged pier]

ye

[sick sentinel]

lucky bastard

[jagged pier]

i mean u ither get it or u dont

just be better

🤷

[sick sentinel]

why u being cringe tho

talk normal

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sick sentinel]

we not on reddit

no need to talk like one

[warm plinth]

50% drop rate, idk why people don't have it yet amirite

[jagged pier]

true true

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-cringe-meme-cringe-imagine-gif-23477312

[warm plinth]

I don't even know if people know what cringe means anymore

[sick sentinel]

it means acting like an idiot online for no reason

[warm plinth]

Well, that being wrong aside, where was he being an idiot?

[sick sentinel]

be better ?

[warm plinth]

Oh, that is called a joke

[sick sentinel]

no

its called being an idiot

[warm plinth]

lol, okay dude

[sick sentinel]

droprates have nothing to do with player performance

he is just being an assohole

[jagged pier]

dont be salty man just be better

[sick sentinel]

for no reason

[warm plinth]

which is why it was a joke

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[sick sentinel]

not a joke

he was being a prick

[warm plinth]

lol

Did you just come in here to get upset or something? No one has said anything wrong in here. You're just mad for no reason.

[sick sentinel]

no

i come here to talk about forgestorm

and that guy started being an asshole to me

for no reason

so what u on about

[warm plinth]

@jagged pier you're such a fuckin asshole smfh

[jagged pier]

i mean u can be a better person and not take a joke seriously, u can also no bring your loot disappointments in here cause its technically not what this place is for

[sick sentinel]

i mean

he is your boy and all

and you defending him

[warm plinth]

I barely know the guy

[sick sentinel]

but hes a prick

it is what i is

[warm plinth]

I just recognize a joke when I see one

[sick sentinel]

me too

that one was not

so can we move on

[warm plinth]

You're the one that made it a thing dude. Go for it.

[sick sentinel]

me ?

you are the one instigating

just leave it

the guy is a prick it is what it is

lets move on

[warm plinth]

I thought we were

[sick sentinel]

cool

[jagged pier]

do u really thing, i think player performace has anything to do with loot? KEKW

[sick sentinel]

f off

[jagged pier]

👋

[warm plinth]

I wish I'd gotten one at a decent level though for real. Mine was like...veteran I think? Could only go to 424

So now I'm sure I'll never get one again

[sick sentinel]

ive done like 10 in a row today

[jagged pier]

i mean thats still better than most

[sick sentinel]

didnt get a single one

[warm plinth]

Yeah, at least I got one haha

I'll take it for now

Maybe vault gives me one

[jagged pier]

must have done really well in that key to get one @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

I think it was actually just feeling sorry for me tbh

But nah I think I'm actually doing pretty well maining tank so far. I'm playing catch up though so my keys haven't been super high

Pally was only like 408 going into the season

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

Up to like...415 now? So pretty decent

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[warm plinth]

I think I'm honestly only gonna do the loamm weekly every other week as easy as it is to farm the fragments when you're behind

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-nodding-nodding-cat-gif-21995841

[limpid anchor]

If you can’t get your items you are just as bad player. That’s why I got 441 already

But it’s okay, not everyone is qualified to play this game

[open bluff]

people progress at their own rate, doesn't make them a bad player

by your logic, i'm bad because i'm only 423 on my main after the first week when i've worked 60 hours, had a final project for school, and just generally had no time to play

[sick sentinel]

yes

[errant leaf]

I think hes trolling

[sick sentinel]

stop having a life noob

he is crearly trolling baiting a response

just ignore him

[open bluff]

obv

just fun to watch idiots try to backpedal when confronted with logic

[sick sentinel]

is there any button bloat for protection warriors? i'm looking to get into tanking so i'm rerolling one

kids here in this server think they are funny

they dont realized they are not

brewmaster for instance has insane amounts of buttons to manage

[sick sentinel]

i never tried monk tnak

only dps

tank*

doesn't appeal to me tho

how many buttons would you say warriors have in their repetoir? not specific number but high/low/medium?

like 6-8

nice that's good

can't wait to low life this class

nice

i started playing a month or so ago

warrior and druid are my favorites

i'm also new, started playing a week or two ago

but ive been playing mostly warrior

[limpid anchor]

Confronted with logic? You are missing it tho

[sick sentinel]

got a hunter 70 and a monk 70

hunter is cool

[jagged pier]

these are all part of your rotation

[sick sentinel]

probably the easiest to play

[jagged pier]

stormbolt and spell block arent in the screenshot

[sick sentinel]

that's not too bad

[jagged pier]

oh not theres stormbolt

[sick sentinel]

thanks

[jagged pier]

spellblock isnt in there

but can just replace the trinket in there with spell block

u have more buttons in M+

because youll actually have shockwave stormbolt and fear active

in raid u dont need those

[crude notch]

your rotation isn't 36 buttons jake

chill out

[sick sentinel]

i assume some of them are just cds

[jagged pier]

yer but u literally press most of them on cd

expect the stuns and fear

and commanding shout

in m+ anywya

[crude notch]

pressing lock rocks on CD pog.

gigachad

[jagged pier]

ah yes pedantic jordan was wondering where u went

[crude notch]

it's called a joke jakey

lighten up

remove the stick out yo booty hole

[jagged pier]

[crude notch]

I forgot I have to give you 12 emotes of obvious sarcasm

gigachad isn't enough

-_-\

What's E

[jagged pier]

wrecking throw

actually has a lot of chases in m+ atm

[crude notch]

oh yeah there's plenty of shieldy boys this season.

[dry spear]

is that drogbar rock trinket really that good? sense put out some mythic kill vids and he had it equipped at 411 ilvl.

[jagged pier]

yer it can be

its rng

but its a good early prog trinket until u get the one from NL/anvil or beacon

like for instance 1 fight it does 5k next it does 2k

🤷

[dry spear]

i got beacon and anvil. beacon on normal and anvil is on hc

ah ok. random. well then no :D

[jagged pier]

well your trinkets are already better than rocks

[dry spear]

i thought that drogs are maybe overtuned and thats why you should take it

[jagged pier]

for 411

it is overtuned

[limpid anchor]

It’s better than 421 whetstone and icon

Realy overtuned

But the rng part kinda sucks

[warm plinth]

You're overtuned

[unkempt hazel]

how important is str

[warm plinth]

gottem

Very

[unkempt hazel]

talkin bout that mace from neltharius

not good?

[warm plinth]

Forgestorm is good enough that it makes up for the lack of strength.

[unkempt hazel]

sick

[hardy snow]

its best weapon in this season

[potent gulch]

23rd run and i got forgestorm with leech

weeee

[unkempt hazel]

got it second run

as fury spec tho

[warm plinth]

gamer

[scarlet dune]

Does anyone know when Crit starts providing diminishing returns? I was thinking about stacking Haste > Crit > Vers. Anyone know what plateaus would be worth gearing for Vers?

[torn gulch]

there is no hard number really

you start going into hard diminishing returns at 40% but you're not really reaching that unless it's haste

you just play ilvl and for finer optimisations you just do that at higher ilvls

[scarlet dune]

Fair enough, thanks @torn gulch

[sick sentinel]

the hard thing is to get that weapon to drop

i did like 13 nelthalion runs and no weapon

[tired crystal]

Best Crafted gear for s2?

[restive crown]

can i recraft 421 boots to 421 boots with the shadowflame emblelishment without using any sparks?

[zenith briar]

yep

[restive crown]

👍

[hardy snow]

try running neltharus then, neltharion (lair) is a different dungeon that doesnt drop forgestorm 😉

[hardy snow]

[errant aurora]

Why is prot warrior so weak in raid.

[sick sentinel]

yea i mistyped

[errant aurora]

Dies alot

2 times more than any other tank

[coarse ginkgo]

Sounds like user error

[tired crystal]

Amazing ty

[errant aurora]

Check logs

[coarse ginkgo]

Link yours?

[errant aurora]

Can't private

[scarlet dune]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#metric=deaths&class=Tanks

Death %
The metric displayed in the bars and graphs is a Death %. This represents the total number of deaths of that spec divided by the total number of players of that spec seen across all the fights. For example, if a pull contains three Subtlety Rogues, and one of them dies, but the other two do not, the Death % is 33%.

Multiple deaths will penalize the spec further, meaning that it is entirely possible for a Death % to exceed 100%. If a fight has two rogues and they die four times total, then the Death % is 200%.

[sick sentinel]

guardian is popping off

[hardy snow]

only 3 bosses doesnt have magic dot, healers have to pump

[errant aurora]

Well heroic is not that different

[scarlet dune]

I'd lay money that the percentage is so high because the warrior population is higher than most of those other classes

This represents the total number of deaths of that spec divided by the total number of players of that spec seen across all the fights

[hardy snow]

you said you put money and then you explained/proofed exactly the opposite that you want to bet on

[errant aurora]

Not true, warr is one of the popular tanks in mythic

[limpid anchor]

It’s the opposite

[hardy snow]

pink is the popular one

[errant aurora]

Ye war is second

[hardy snow]

there is bigger gap between 1st and 2nd than between 2nd and last, I wouldnt call that popular

[scarlet dune]

Right, my 5am brain failed, sorry

[vivid abyss]

please roast me, i know I am not doing things right 😄 or atleast i feel like I am not https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qVgh7wzL3tcx12Wa#fight=6&type=summary

[errant aurora]

Don't charge with shield charge 👀

[limpid anchor]

I wish there was a better mobile view

Can’t read logs :(

[lament shell]

Guys

Are healers not healing me on first boss mythic or am i bad?

[limpid anchor]

Cast more shield slam

[vivid abyss]

u mean i shouldnt use it on opener?

[limpid anchor]

Wdym not healing

[limpid anchor]

You use normal charge for rage

Then shield charge for dmg

[lament shell]

Im dying to the aoe dmg and tank dot

[limpid anchor]

But your cpm is just realy bad

Press more buttons

[errant aurora]

Use it for dmg after you pop cds

[limpid anchor]

Link logs

[vivid abyss]

yeah someone said this to me before, but i dunno mby i am pressing wrong buttons, like trying to spam Tclap when its still like half a sec on CD or spamming shield slam hoping for that melee reset

[restive crown]

would we still use diurna for m+ if we keep frostfire belt?

compared to double shadow

[vivid abyss]

but ok, lets say I am off tanking a boss then I am not generating that much rage, so in those cases my cpm will always suffer no?

[hardy snow]

dont use bloodsurge on ST

and barbaric training sucks as well

[vivid abyss]

what should be the replacement

[limpid anchor]

Your rage generation has nothing todo with tanking the boss

[hardy snow]

instigate is fine, also show of force is not quite good on ST, sudden death is better

[limpid anchor]

We are not in classic

[limpid anchor]

Copy that build

[hardy snow]

generally using dungeon build in raid on ST fights is bad idea

[sleek current]

Zskarn is absolutely horrific on heroic for Prot Warrior that's all I can say about deaths.

I have a 97 healing parse on it and feel like I was being absolutely reamed the entire time my IP was non-existent despite the additional RSI I was giving myself. 😂

[sick sentinel]

How do we deal with the basilisk bleed in uldaman? Tried an 18 yesterday and got completely clapped if I had 2-3 stacks. Healer said I should be able to survive it alone so he didnt heal me in those packs

[warm plinth]

Healer is dumb

[sick sentinel]

Been doing 17's in different groups with no problem its just packs with bleed that i struggle on

[ember tangle]

bleeds and dots is our weakness

[sick sentinel]

it goes through IP right?

or like shields in general

[warm plinth]

No

[ember tangle]

ip works on it

[warm plinth]

It goes through armor; that's why it hits so hard

[sick sentinel]

ahhh

Can the application be avoided in other ways than pre kiting the pack around?

of the bite and the bleed on the serpent humanoid later in the dungeon

[warm plinth]

Parrying XD

The one from the custodians can be backpedaled

Not quite as lenient as the Halls of Valor guys but you if you just kite slowly while you're fighting them, you should avoid most of them

[sleek current]

I may be wrong but, I believe you can stun them during the chomp cast. Not sure if they'll just re-attempt. Personally. I just kite.

[sick sentinel]

yea was thinking cc lockdown aswell

thanks 🙂

[warm plinth]

The dangerous bleeds this season are pretty much all on trash so saying you can do them yourself is just stupid

[sick sentinel]

yea was kinda tilted after...

[vale escarp]

Is it only me or does the protodrakes in HoI hit pretty hard, even for tyrannic

[warm plinth]

They do

[sick sentinel]

yep

also the small mites in underrot

but pretty sure they just need cc lockdown

Protodrakes idk how to manage though. I save my cds for them

[potent gulch]

should be fun on fort

[vale escarp]

Used a CDs on every one of them

[warm plinth]

Yeah the ticks are pretty spicy but fortunately you only kill one pack

[potent gulch]

invis skip big?

[sick sentinel]

yep. And the boss is kinda annoying if they dont get stomped but overall fine after that

[warm plinth]

Nah you can skip the second pack without anything

[potent gulch]

oh you mean mites

i was thinking of dragons

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah I was referring to ticks

[vale escarp]

Maybe they nerf the protodrakes later this week

[sick sentinel]

What affixes did we get on reset btw?

or will we get tomorrow

[warm plinth]

We don't know

[limpid anchor]

You don’t kill any?

[warm plinth]

I kill one pack

[limpid anchor]

you only do if people can’t walk

[warm plinth]

?

[limpid anchor]

Otherwise you walk past

[warm plinth]

I kill the pack in the first room

[limpid anchor]

Why

[warm plinth]

Because it's easy count

and I kill the middle pack there

[main locust]

Is Frostfire Belt only worth it if you have Mythic Eranog ring?

[limpid anchor]

In underrot?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[limpid anchor]

Idk what route you are running but

[sick sentinel]

oh didnt US reset yet?

[warm plinth]

No

[limpid anchor]

You don’t need them

[warm plinth]

Sounds like I'm running a different route than you

[limpid anchor]

If you pull those you skip the worm before last boss?

[warm plinth]

I skip the one right after 2nd boss

[limpid anchor]

Mhmm

I guess if you go right side it’s better to pull the ticks at the start

[warm plinth]

Something like that

[sleek current]

My group would shit their knickers if I told them I'm taking the ticks. 😂

[warm plinth]

Tell them to stop being little bitches

They die in like 2 seconds anyway

As long as the healer is ready for it it should be fine

[sleek current]

Only so many times I can tell them that. Haha

[warm plinth]

Honestly really hate the last two pulls in that dungeon now. Forcing you to fight another corrupter and putting a worm at the end is so stupid

And another worm for that matter

[limpid anchor]

You can hard focus the first worm and then pull the corrupter to the other 2

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's generally what ends up happening

[limpid anchor]

Makes it a bit better

[warm plinth]

Though I also had a pug where people just got chain feared because they ignored the frontals

It was pretty funny

[limpid anchor]

That’s why I usually pull the worm before the last pack

Someone always pulls it

[warm plinth]

I can see that happening. I have skipped it so far and been fine but it definitely happened in BFA runs

All it takes is one bad fear and they zoom right into it

[remote venture]

I did Underrot 13 yesterday. I didn't play during BFA but my friend what was with me had PDST with that dungoen

[sleek current]

Feels much easier than it did in BFA to be honest. 😊 Maybe I'm just a better player now but, definitely felt a lot easier.

Also the damage isn't reliant on corruption procs so... More consistent I guess.

[tropic gorge]

Yay I got a tier leg item last night (n). Here's hoping for 2pc after vault!

[severe oak]

how does it interact with the new set ?

[strong forum]

More shield slam resets from the auto attack speed

[severe oak]

oh okay cool

[potent gulch]

something wrong with gear compare simming

447 frostfire vs 447 shadowflame patch

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cFv9xkwmDsLfQA7eehVoYw

any hints?

[fickle igloo]

can u sim 2x Shadowflame vs 1x frostfire + 1x shadowflame?

[potent gulch]

thats what i'm doing

i have shadowflame on shield.
thinkin of next spark - upgrading belt or x2 shadowflame

and sims tells me second shadowflame is sky rocket damage

[fickle igloo]

yep, looks like 2x shadowflame its so good

and u can loot or craft a belt with haste

[potent gulch]

or not simming properly

thats my idea

@strong forum any hints?

[fickle igloo]

maybe, but sim looks right, but yeah, 5% improve its quite high

[raven zealot]

what are you guys opening your vault as?

[sick sentinel]

i really dislike the mythic+ dungeons this season

people are bricking keys way often

[raven zealot]

feel like there are too many bad tank trinkets so i dont want to open it as prot but then 1h + shield

[sick sentinel]

even if you type to them what they have to do they still fail

[crude notch]

It's week one cypher

[sick sentinel]

so

i cant not enjoy something

[crude notch]

You can, not enjoy it all you want but unreasonable expectations is probably why you're not.

[sick sentinel]

lol

know basic dungeon mechanics or follow instruction is unreasonable ?

[crude notch]

Sims are right.

[sick sentinel]

whatahell

[crude notch]

What key level are you doing?

[sick sentinel]

neltharius

[crude notch]

Level

[sick sentinel]

43

[crude notch]

Key level

[tropic gorge]

I got my highest parse in forever, possibly ever last night. 92 on assault (n)

[crude notch]

Wait you're not doing a key?

Wait wait wait.

What difficulty are you doing?

[raven zealot]

[tropic gorge]

He's either trolling or leveling it seems like

[strong forum]

2x shadowflame is like 200 dps more than 1x shadow + frostfire

Cuz you get a belt with haste instead of mastery

[crude notch]

Not according to that sim

Ah

[strong forum]

That sim is +4k dps cuz doesn't have a replacement item for belt

[crude notch]

Oh lol

🤦

[potent gulch]

what do you mean.
it is gear compare.
it should compare 447 frostfire, 447 shadowflame belt and mine 421 frostfire.

frostfire 421 vs 447 sims correct - 800 dps increase

but 421 frostfire vs 447 shadowflame sims not correct

it slaps 4k dps increase.

[strong forum]

oh you missed belt

yeah i was on mobile

lemme check on pc

on that sim

the average shadowflame hit

is 25k

and 51k crit

which is mega wrong

[crude notch]

Juiced

[strong forum]

its saying shadowflame is doing 7.5k dps

[potent gulch]

but why.

[strong forum]

simming my on char rq

i dont get that same result

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iovVEU7F8fuDC4ZWgqP4JN

421 frostfire vs 421 shadowflame patch

can you link me your input

so i can sim for you

[potent gulch]

but you doesn't have 1 shadowflame

[strong forum]

it does

[potent gulch]

i'm siming 2nd. maybe it is an issue

[strong forum]

im simming with 2 now

lets see

yeah 2 seems to bug it out

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xyqbYmMoMiCx2xuL4ML7Rn

[potent gulch]

i see.

[raven zealot]

im going to make frostfire belt because shadowflame patch is giga expensive :)

[strong forum]

im being told

it oversims when you apply it on shield

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efecw6i3SGjPZRxHUfGwac

this is sim on helmet instead of shield

[potent gulch]

interesting

[strong forum]

so like i said

its like 200 dps over frostfire belt cuz of statchange on belt depending on your gear ofc

for me its 0 change

cuz my gear is ballin (for s1 standards)

[crude notch]

Secret tech put Shadowflame on shield make robot number strong

[strong forum]

it was totally intentional when i recommended to craft shadowflame on other slots but shield

cuz of this bug

[crude notch]

ONE EASY STEP TO INCREASE YOUR WARRIORS DPS THAT PROT PALLIES DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT

Actually wonder if it's the same for them, that'd be great

[strong forum]

it is but they dont have it on shield either

[tropic gorge]

I need more tokens to upgrade my crafted stuff.
Is the shadow flame a "free" like food?

[strong forum]

no

[tropic gorge]

Damn

Dream. Crushed. Lol

[dusky canopy]

So basically put it on shield anyway so you can flex sims

Got it

[crude notch]

Yes

To make up for the crit loss

Or something

[dusky canopy]

Exactly

I think this is the 3rd day in a row I checked disc and the first thing I see is nom explains the ffb vs belt with shadowflame

Haha

[uneven mason]

Already had the ffb, shadowflame is like a bonkers amount, maybe in a few weeks

[graceful kite]

should I craft haste vers of haste crit shield?

[uneven mason]

Always crit!

MOAR CRITS

[graceful kite]

craft is cheaper then in s1

so its not that bad...

atleast alloys arent insanely priced

[tropic gorge]

I'm wondering if using a crafted 1h sword and crafted shield would be a good idea

I'd have to swap my shield to the food buff

[uneven mason]

The mats to make them are a bit higher than is feasible unless you're super lucky with multicraft

[graceful kite]

my man ive spent around 500k on crafted gear in s1

[tropic gorge]

I spent a lot also

[uneven mason]

I made about that..

[tropic gorge]

I'm not sure what to do with my lariat

[graceful kite]

I found a perfect guy who offered free recrafts which was super rare

but i was so unlucky he pitied me and started using his own mats

after ive spent like 200k

[uneven mason]

As soon as I get my spark this week mines getting banked Incase it has a resurgence

[graceful kite]

time to loot a shield from vault

[strong forum]

thats why you go fury loot

[graceful kite]

true

[strong forum]

so you can loot dps shit

[graceful kite]

but whateverstorm...

[strong forum]

yeah thats why fury

fury can loot 1h

[graceful kite]

ahhh right

[strong forum]

😉

[graceful kite]

damn feels good to play war again\

[vocal nimbus]

Sorry but why no patch on shield?

[strong forum]

?

[graceful kite]

wdym

spent 45k on it

[vocal nimbus]

This

[strong forum]

cuz it oversims on shield

[vocal nimbus]

But ingame its not detrimental right?

[strong forum]

theres no actual downside to crafting on shield unless you have access to the 450 from raid

[vocal nimbus]

Alright thx, thought there was a bug or something ingame

[minor forge]

What.s the ppm for the patch?

[graceful kite]

no idea me see smart man pin me do

[tropic gorge]

Man I hope beyond hope there's a damn tier item in my vault. The 3 m+ options are available and 2 raid slots

[oblique kayak]

not looking forward to Uldama. and Halls on fort.

[cunning knot]

What is better, Dark iron Dwarf, or just Dwarf? People seem to very opinionated on this

[daring marlin]

@crude notch I'm sad I upgraded my pogstorm first and not a 2H.

Waste of crests! INEFFICIENT

but aw well lol

[graceful cobalt]

should we hold the 2/4p old bonus or should i grab higher ilvl?

[crude notch]

honestly just bin the toon at this point.

[plush tendon]

For better, normal Dwarf: Stoneform is seperate from 2% crit damage whereas Dark Iron fireblood is not....

the 1% phys dam is also kind of pointless for us

[crude notch]

Dwarf is objectively better because as stated it's damage gain is separate from it's bleed cleanse which is the whole point of playing either.

[plush tendon]

I mean, it isnt the whole point

my dorf looks dapper af

[crude notch]

Ain't no one playing dwarf to look pretty

[daring marlin]

but I have a full vault friend

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-yes-gif-21801571

[tropic gorge]

We play dwarves because we are the best

Dont @ me

[daring marlin]

I gotta spam a bunch of wyrm crest keys

[crude notch]

slacker

[daring marlin]

who got rat alts

[sick sentinel]

forgestorm

ooooooh forgestorm

where are you forgestorm

[crude notch]

imagine not having one

[sick sentinel]

been running the dungeon all night

my mental is ruined

[crude notch]

Monday night key farming ain't it fam

don't do it

[sick sentinel]

oh sorry

[crude notch]

yeah you better be

[daring marlin]

holy shit I missed some funny drama when sleeping

[crude notch]

just don't sleep

[plush tendon]

Monday night keys are lit

stayed up till 2am to get a 21 FH done on my DK

so now hes done.... a 13 FH and a 21 FH as his only keys this season XD

[daring marlin]

lmao

madman

[plush tendon]

just gotta give yourself a chance with those weekly 20 boxes

even if you only get 1

[daring marlin]

I feel like shattering bellow nerf was very necessary

[lilac jay]

Isn’t 447 crafted better than 441 forgestorm?

[daring marlin]

negative

[plush tendon]

my sims says that forgestorm is bis until lke 7-8 targes

[tropic gorge]

When replacing a lariat I am guessing the rules apply for 12 or 16 ilvl over my current?

[plush tendon]

You would replace lariat if you want to get new Embellishments in

so its more of a sim question

[dull zodiac]

Why are so many people crying over prot warrior suddenly? I feel like we are great rn, spell reflects feels amazing this season

[plush tendon]

we dont cry about prot warrior in here

[dull zodiac]

Thats why im asking here

Whats wrong with people

[vocal verge]

Spell reflect in NL SLAPS

[plush tendon]

but the frustration is pugging and people gushing over paladins to the point where its hard to pug

[dull zodiac]

Right

[plush tendon]

thats really it

[crude notch]

who's crying about prot warrior?

[timber girder]

No idea, I did a 12 vp pinnacle last night at 392 lol

[plush tendon]

ya know.... the people

[crude notch]

THE PEOPLE

the voices in his head?

[daring marlin]

Are these people in the room with us right now?

[tropic gorge]

Prot war best war

[plush tendon]

but also, right now in this early season, healers are leaning on paladins to do harder keys; its bonkers the amount of support they bring

[daring marlin]

I can't deny this

[plush tendon]

in terms of externals, healing, dispells

[timber girder]

Anyone crying about prot, doesn’t play guardian Druid.

[daring marlin]

1min sac stronk

[plush tendon]

interrupts

[tropic gorge]

My co tank druid and raid leader has 800k hp

[daring marlin]

big kicks

[plush tendon]

its just a lot of power

[tropic gorge]

I'm so jelly

[final mist]

I've seen people crying about how good SR is, but those people don't cry about Paladin utility so I just call them idiots

That's about it

[timber girder]

@tropic gorge as someone who is pushing both, don’t be. It’s crazy how quick that gets chunked compared to war

[plush tendon]

every tank needs to have something cool they can do... but when one has too much and no clear weakness, thats paladin

[tropic gorge]

Sr can be crazy powerful

[final mist]

Niche utility should be powerful

[tropic gorge]

I agree

[plush tendon]

but its so early in the season anyways

[daring marlin]

I had a prot pally friend in S1 complaining about SR and spellblock.

I laughed.

[tropic gorge]

We have a friendly back and forth going on where I brag about block

[final mist]

Yes, mine as well

[plush tendon]

that we gonna see buffs, nerfs, meta swaps, gear increases

new strats/knowledge

best to play what you like

[final mist]

I pointed out he had group healing, freedom, two other immunities, sac, stuns, a cleanse, etc

"Those don't count"

[daring marlin]

LMAO

[timber girder]

@tropic gorge yeah overall I find my war a much smoother experience in keys. Raid bosses it’s not noticeable for me. But man in keys heroic leap even makes it way more fun.

[tropic gorge]

I like our mobility

[undone verge]

Never be jealous over a guardian druid

[tropic gorge]

A perfect example was on normal assault in the raid

[undone verge]

Guardian druids aren’t real tanks

[tropic gorge]

During the platform phase none of my adds got loose

[strong forum]

brackenhide owns

https://i.imgur.com/9S8ErW0.png

such a fun dungeon wtf

[daring marlin]

this man gets it

DUDE

THE PULLS ARE HUGE

[strong forum]

its just big pull after big pull

nonstop

[daring marlin]

YES

[strong forum]

love it

[daring marlin]

I love BH

[final mist]

Is it Brackenhide or is it you?

[tropic gorge]

The first boss in there is a dps iq check

Sadly most fail it seems

[daring marlin]

dps and healer

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[strong forum]

ya our spriest died on every boss

[daring marlin]

big brain

[tropic gorge]

I ran a 11 or 12 in there. The first boss shit on the dps and group bailed

[undone verge]

Uldaman bleeds gonna slap this week

[tropic gorge]

laughs in stone form

[final mist]

There's so many bleeds and shit on trash and bosses that just seem to be grossly overtuned

[elfin atlas]

What are this weeks affixes?

[sick sentinel]

u guys talking about the mechanic that the dps needs to hide behind tank to not get 1 shot ?

[tropic gorge]

Yes

Well I was

[final mist]

Oh speaking of

[undone verge]

Stone form is a Crutch

[long stone]

424 Hands against 408 hands which give me s1 2er set bonus?

[sick sentinel]

this tier is trash anyway

[proper roost]

we don't know yet about this week's affixes

[daring marlin]

It's a lot more smooth if you go treemouth second sal

[tropic gorge]

You spelled "the best tank racial" wrong

[proper roost]

other than fort obviously

[final mist]

Two things to note

One the size of that hit box is larger than it appears

[elfin atlas]

Surprised are always nice

[final mist]

Two it hurts

[sick sentinel]

ok guys i have a question, whats the advantage of crafting Shadowflame on shield instead of wrists ?

[daring marlin]

that's a lot of dam

[strong forum]

tank is supposed to stand in that line

[final mist]

Yes, I was just slightly too far forward and the hit box clipped me

[daring marlin]

awful

[strong forum]

im just that fucking good

[final mist]

I wasn't targeted so

[daring marlin]

parrygodx

[final mist]

I miss DBtS

[proper roost]

i don't think it actually hits that hard on a tank, but idk haven't done like 18-20+ bracky as prot

the cast time is like 5 years though it kinda baits you i feel

[final mist]

That was an 18, our DH tank was living through it with something, idk what

[weary saddle]

i just realized Liu Flameheart got flushed down the toilet and became Wraitheye. She got the same damn heal absorb!!!

[tropic gorge]

So far, nothing really hits hard imo. My highest so far is 14 tho

So far in my normal raid prog, I don't think anything is dangerous yet

[marble cipher]

bosswise, no, not a lot of stuff hits hard (on a tank)
trash though, some of the bleeds (mainly uldaman) are painful af... and sadly don't count as actual bleeds for our evoker to dispell, but are just physical dots 😦

[tropic gorge]

Uld is a Shockwave paradise

[dusky canopy]

Parrygodx

[plush tendon]

who needs SB when you got parry

[strong forum]

that one atleast is dispellable

unlike liu

and not as frequent

[proper roost]

you won't really get threatened as a tank til like 18+ in tyrannical this season

pretty sure this season is going to be looked as a joke overall

[plush tendon]

Liu is a poopy doodoo head

[proper roost]

10-15+ ilvls on everyone gonna be kinda nutty considering the current balance

[dusky canopy]

So guys odd question but would one of either shadowflame or ffb proc eggnog ring more or does it not work like that

Eggnog ring is probably locked behind a ppm right?

[strong forum]

ffb procs eragon ring more

ffb alone saturates eranog ring by 80%

then add shadowflame ontop of that, youll get 100%, if you have 2x shadowflame you dont have 100% saturation anymore

[dusky canopy]

Hmmm, however shadowflame belt is still 200 dps up because of better stats

[strong forum]

yes

[sleek current]

Have you done Zskarn Heroic? Slapped my testicles about for an hour that fight did. Never asked for so many externals in my life. 😂

[dusky canopy]

So it’s kinda unconsequential

[strong forum]

ffb brings the slow

shadowflame is slightly more dmg

thats about it

[dusky canopy]

Yeah witch do I necessarily want the slow

[plush tendon]

forgestorm also procs the ring

[dusky canopy]

Not sure on that one

[plush tendon]

its fire damage yea?

[dusky canopy]

Yes we sent our messages at the same time lol that was follow up to mine

[dull zodiac]

Can u intervene spell reflect a barrel on captains?

[dusky canopy]

That’s part of why it’s pogstorm @plush tendon

[plush tendon]

no, but you can be a paladin and freedom it

[dusky canopy]

[urban bane]

i was a fool and didnt realize that sunder in NL could be spell reflected. so that dungeon is basically free for prot warrior lmao

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

yea, its sick

theres a lot of good stuff to reflect

I do wish we got impending victory spam last boss in UR though 😦

[dusky canopy]

I’m kinda leaning towards doing crafted belt with shadowflame just because of the stats alone

[plush tendon]

I looking for any reason to drop Eggnog ring

its just so last season

[dusky canopy]

I’ll probably just stash the ffb to play around with later on when I have excess sparks

[plush tendon]

and all my DPS friends are showing off their cool new rings

[marble cipher]

what do you mean with this?

[plush tendon]

you know the spores on the last boss? when you killed them in BFA, it would proc impending victory resets

[dusky canopy]

I’m the opposite I think it’s great that a rare sought after item from last season is still relevant this season

[marble cipher]

I must have not payed attention that well when I did it yesterday, cause I'm fairly sure I still got the resets from killing spores

[plush tendon]

I thought that was removed

[marble cipher]

I'll pay more attention next time 😄

[urban bane]

after dealing with Edge of Night or whatever on rogue man im over that whole last season shit

[plush tendon]

cause its op

[marble cipher]

It was removed from explosives (affix), don't think it was removed from UR spores at last boss, but, easy to test 😉

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s a tough one it’s basically like anyone who didn’t get lucky enough to loot a bis version of it want it to suck but anyone who did get it wants it to be good

It’s kinda just the way it is

[urban bane]

yeah i doubt it'll be changed

[dusky canopy]

My co tank and I just discussed this because I have mythic eggnog ring socketed and he doesn’t have one at all

He thinks it’s shit that they didn’t nerf it going into the patch

And I’m the opposite I’m glad it’s still relevant

I’m also the guy who would advocate for trinkets to stay relevant too though

I’m the play the expansion not the patch kinda guy

You joined late and missed out on some cool season 1 items well so what? Lol

[hollow hill]

Is that overall damage for the dungeon or one specific boss? Either way god damn

[hardy snow]

tell him he can easily farm eranog on mythic, especially with new tiersets and increased ilvl

I bet there are still groups for these rings

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah no doubt I told him id keep running it with him

[timber girder]

Tbh there’s zero reason a item should stay relevant passed current tier tbh. That’s bad design

[undone verge]

True, I want my 1700 haste from my rings

[dusky canopy]

Hard disagree

[undone verge]

Instead of having to run no stats+verse mastery

[dusky canopy]

We’re playing a rpg

It’s cool to collect things and have them be relevant

Like thunderfurry being bis throughout vanilla

That’s cool

[undone verge]

Not for the person who started playing half way through and never got it

[dusky canopy]

So what?

We can’t have cool stuff because a few joined later on?

That sounds like a bad argument tbh

[hardy snow]

its pretty easy when 2nd tank taunts properly and healers are pumping as they should

[crude notch]

If it wasn't still accessible you'd have a point.

[hardy snow]

you can still get it, even easier then folks that got it long time ago

[dusky canopy]

Satisfying the many out weighs satisfying the few

No other way about it

[undone verge]

I mean if you want an experience like that go play a single player game where you progress your character and improve your power level. Wow is a seasonal game where people compete against each other. It would never be fun for new players who are so behind the curve they can’t catch up without spending intense time over a long time

[crude notch]

I think you're overstating the gains

[hardy snow]

if you are going to compete against other players to reach the top - that item doesnt matter at all

[dusky canopy]

This is a mmo rpg designed around character progression. People want to stand out over others. This isn’t an E sport as much as people treat it like one.

[hardy snow]

and if you are going just 20-24s or something like that - you dont even need such item to do this

[strong forum]

dungeon overall

[crude notch]

that was responded to the wrong person

[dusky canopy]

It doesn’t need to be “fare” if you missed out on something cool so what that’s your loss

[limpid anchor]

It’s not even bis in m+

[undone verge]

That’s what transmog and mounts are for, so you can stand out and have cool things. At the end of the day the gameplay of wow is seasonal competition.

[crude notch]

not having eranog, isn't preventing you from being competitive pebkac is.

[dusky canopy]

We’re not talking about items that give you a 30% edge over others were talking about cool standout items that are abysmal gains over current content items

[hollow hill]

Wow. How do you get to that level? I feel like I'm doing everything right but I'm not anywhere near that amount of damage

[crude notch]

Pull bigger press buttons right

[hardy snow]

its not competition for over 99% of players

[dusky canopy]

If you don’t have said items because you didn’t play that season so what?

Doesn’t mean they can’t be cool for the rest of us

[hollow hill]

I have some logs from keys last night and was like 40-50k overall usually

[crude notch]

WF keys are being done without eranog, bosses are being downed in mythic without eranog, you're not missing out on anything, it's all in your head.

[hollow hill]

Actually less for some reason on warcraftlogs than in details

[dusky canopy]

Exactly

It’s a poor argument

And opinions like that is what got us into the hole we’re in now with game design

[crude notch]

wcl is always gonna be less than details in keys.

[dusky canopy]

Nothing can be unfair or stand out

Witch is just stupid, atleast imo.

[hollow hill]

👍

[dusky canopy]

It’s literally a virtual world people want to feel good in

When did the vision change

[crude notch]

Alright you're losing me on this tangent Brew

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s a stretch but serves the same point

[crude notch]

You're going on the senior citizens tangent of "back in my day"

[undone verge]

You think it would be cool until you’re the one playing catch-up. It’s already bad enough with people requiring meta tanks for 20s, wait until bis lists from entire expansions come back

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao fair enough

[plush tendon]

[crude notch]

Coconut

[dusky canopy]

I’ve had to play catch up I’ve missed tiers

[crude notch]

Coconut, you're literally just ignoring facts

Eranog isn't stopping you from being competitive

And by your own logic, everyone should be handed the best trinket for the tier, unquestioned

Everyone gets a Beacon on reset

[dusky canopy]

Right that’s basically the argument

[strong forum]

press many button and know where you can pull pig 🐷

[crude notch]

🐷

[dusky canopy]

All in all the point remains, having cool stand out items is fun. Not being able to design these sorts of things because of “the poor person who missed out” is just stupid.

[hardy snow]

I still havent got my hands on grieftorch even from HC and its not an issue for me at all that its still strong item.

[dusky canopy]

Bro you have to understand this guy is on a whole different level it’s insane lol

He looks at the screen and does 4 billion dps

[jagged pier]

the usual thing to i feel like im doing everything right is often opposite to what is happening

[dusky canopy]

Watch his stream once half the time he watches other shit and he’s still blastin lmao

Excuse my rant not sure where that came from lol time for some caffeine and weights

[sick sentinel]

i don't like grief torch all that much

even with leech

i would like it as dps player, but not as tank

[hollow hill]

You are probably correct lol. I mean I feel like I'm prioritizing abilities correctly but who knows

Kinda wonder if it's just about the size of the pulls though, I usually tend to pull pretty conservatively because I don't want to overwhelm my healer

[dusky canopy]

For an item to only cost aspect crests it has to come from a 19 right?

And if it comes from a 17 it’ll cost two wyrm crests + aspects?

[craggy pilot]

which boss in HC / Mythic is the most ST parsing boss?

[crude notch]

It's never just pull size, every player has areas where they can improve.

[dusky canopy]

I would guess magmorax

That guy felt like total patchwork

[jagged pier]

first one

second one

[craggy pilot]

how the fk is UDK topping Magmorax 🤔 guess because he dies fast?

[jagged pier]

third on on hc

pretty much all of them tbh

[dusky canopy]

I just went in to raid with a eggnog build

[craggy pilot]

also idk why Destro is higher than Demo, when Demo sims higher, and has way better movement

[dusky canopy]

Had pretty solid logs

[craggy pilot]

but i guess Demo needs the new tier

[trim pumice]

demo needs 4p and nelth trinket to go god mode

[craggy pilot]

ah ye ok

[limpid anchor]

Are there any good pwar streamer?

[tame jasper]

see #268491842637660160

[limpid anchor]

Nome hasn’t streamed this season :(

[tame jasper]

tatt is streaming mostly every day

[quick spruce]

Ok boys, what spec are we opening the vault in today for the best options?

[jagged pier]

u have a shield?

[long bone]

If you want shield, then Prot

[jagged pier]

u have forgestorm?

[quick spruce]

Is the crafted shield to 447 not what we want?

And no I would like to obtain forgestorm

[limpid anchor]

Ah didn’t watch him bcs preview shows pally

[jagged pier]

fury then

[long bone]

Forgestorm > Shield?

If you have neither

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[hardy snow]

shield > forgestorm, you can still pew pew with other weapon (just less), but you cant live without good shield

[limpid anchor]

Dps > def

[toxic pewter]

If I have 447 shield and 441 forgestorm should I open fury and try to get higher ilvl forgestorm even lol? I guess arms would be for 2h…

[jagged pier]

and u get both opening at prot there no 1 asnwer to what open your vault as its according to your char

[quick spruce]

I’m curious why people are hoping for a shield tho, is crafting a shield to 447 not the play everyone’s doing?

[jagged pier]

because some ppl didnt/dont need to craft one

[undone verge]

I’m def getting a dungeon trinket out of my +20 vault

[astral crystal]

should we open vault as fury? 🤔

there's no outstanding tank trinks from drungeons, shield is crafted

[jagged pier]

again u should open vault depending on what your char need

theres no one hard rule

[astral crystal]

ya i just need tier/forgestorm

[toxic pewter]

Entangling bolstering boys

Get ready to tangle

[astral crystal]

that's not too horrible at least

[limpid anchor]

Bolstering and forti, yay

[astral crystal]

they only nerfed the Freehold screaming dudes aoe by 10%

gonna be real fun this week

[toxic pewter]

We will power thru. We r very powerful

[astral crystal]

they absolutely shit on a 20 tyran

[toxic pewter]

What tier pieces are the 4 best these days

[real fossil]

the bleeds in early uldaman are gross, but it seemed like you can backstep them

[elfin atlas]

you can

[real fossil]

what dungeons are people opting for spellblock?

[limpid anchor]

Yea you can

Not 100% about the basilisks tho

[round pendant]

Holy fuck crafters are scumbags

"pay what you want"

I give him literally half my cash stack on this char

not enough so he declines and suggests I find a way to make gold

lmfao

[astral crystal]

kek

[round pendant]

Totally gonna swap to my main to send this char 15k so I can pay 15k for a.. 424?

Just for pressing a button

[sick sentinel]

i just instantly block people im trying to get crafts from and they say "you arent spending enough"

[round pendant]

public ordered a new sword, 424 for 1k gold

why the fuck would I pay this cunt 15k?

[nocturne spindle]

So what happens if you craft with old sparks now? Do they go 390 or 421?

[round pendant]

395 max

[sick sentinel]

they just grifters

[tame jasper]

S1 sparks = S1 ilvl

S2 sparks = S2 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

moving from one con to another con to make money

if its a brand new recipe maybe, only week or 2 old, i can see charging, or if its exalted rep

[round pendant]

it's a primal molten longsword

I wanted to recraft it with the new spark

[jagged pier]

dont do that

thats trolling

[round pendant]

trolling how

[jagged pier]

i mean there is forgestorm

[leaden creek]

Not a shot I'm paying above 5k for anything crafted unless its super rare.

[jagged pier]

far better than any other wep

[leaden creek]

Plenty of others who will craft it for an affordable price.

[round pendant]

meh I'm not likely to get forgestorm on this char

it's just an alt too

[elfin atlas]

I would do that for you for your mats and whatver your tip would be. 100G to 1k. I don't care. I only charge big for anything that I have to buy off the AH. Recipe or mats.

[real fossil]

how much better is forgestorm in st / m+?

[jagged pier]

far

[sick sentinel]

i already have a 421 crafted weapon

[jagged pier]

in both

[night sundial]

i just tell ppl to tip what they want, sometimes they tip 1s, sometimes 10k, still making mad profit just pressing a button

[daring marlin]

bolstering in BH is gonna be the worst

[elfin atlas]

fact

[daring marlin]

@strong forum friendship with BH is OVER this week bro

[real fossil]

is far like more than 5% damage at similar ilv, or like 2-3%?

[jagged pier]

my 437 one is 600 dps more than 441

[daring marlin]

lmao

[strong forum]

yeah fort keys dont sound too fun

[sick sentinel]

friendship already over for yogi with BH, i got the 424 tree mouth trinket

[real fossil]

thats wild

[sick sentinel]

never need to go back, nothing else i want

[jagged pier]

411 forgestorm competes with 424 weps

[red acorn]

Fury main getting pressed into tank service for my guild, fairly confident with protection as a whole but need to tighten up my gameplay;

I'm curious what y'all think of the T30 set bonuses? Do you use Last Stand as an offensive CD now or is it just a nice bonus for when you have to push it defensively?

[lilac jay]

But mostly for warriors or? In paladin dc they say it’s only better when u get it from vault

[daring marlin]

I like doing a giga pull at the start of Neltharus but that shit gonna be hard af this week

[strong forum]

just send LS on CD yes

[sick sentinel]

fort keys can be just fine, its just, frostbolt hits alot more when its buffed by like what, 40%

[strong forum]

its ~60sec cd with bolster talented

[daring marlin]

mobs hit pretty hard

[jagged pier]

i dunno about other classes u would have to sim

[red acorn]

Is 2/2 good, or do i need to wait for 4pc to break my T29 set?

[sick sentinel]

frost bolt becomes its own mechanic on fort

[strong forum]

2/2 is good

[jagged pier]

as youll take bolster with the 2set its a defesnive cd anyway

as well

as offensive

[red acorn]

Understood, thanks y'all

[jagged pier]

and a better defensive than it is now

[red acorn]

Guess I'm gonna have to farm Neltharus a bunch to try to get a weapon.

[sick sentinel]

oh, i thought u guys were saying its fort bolstering week for keys wasn't considering bolster talent.

[red acorn]

It IS fort bolster

its fort, entangled, bolstering

Good luck, have fun.

[tawny briar]

If I'm crafting a shield is the new embelished one better than just upgrading the Primal Molten Defender I used in Season 1?

[jagged pier]

@strong forum u been testing the shield?

from what i know primal is still better

[sick sentinel]

he's literally me

why do we have to go through fort bolstering again 😦

[jagged pier]

because its changed

[tawny briar]

at least bolstering doesn't increase health anymore

it's gonna be like raging kinda where you just kite the big thing in uneven packs

old raging

[sick sentinel]

nothing is worst than bfa pre-nerf bursting

4 stacks = your dead

had a fucking macro literal spam text STOP ATTACK at 3 stacks, 4 stack probably kill us

Unnerving focus is pretty much a must with set right?

[daring marlin]

idk man there was a time when bursting would do zero damage until the stacks were like

14+

[sick sentinel]

that is by far and away the worst mechanic EVER

[red acorn]

Hm

[sick sentinel]

atal dazar kill golem troll boss, go down stairs, get to tiny birds, someone aoes birds, 14 stacks, wipe to bursting, release

[red acorn]

y'all are saying Forgestorm is really good but wowhead is suggesting to use the Halls of Infusion weapon?

[jagged pier]

no

and llarod tends to favour more defensive items

[marble cipher]

Cause many guides default to haste/vers weapon I think?

[red acorn]

For the M+ loot it suggests the HoI wep*

[jagged pier]

again its still there

[red acorn]

Where are you getting that from?

[tawny briar]

what is that view?

[jagged pier]

from here

[sick sentinel]

this is indirectly an asmongold quote

or like, thats the source i know it from, its from somewhere else i mean

[red acorn]

I don't know that i've ever seen that before 🤔

[jagged pier]

its literally the first page of the guide

🤷

[red acorn]

Oh

The actual guide

I was going to the "Gear" page

[tawny briar]

ah ya I was looking on the gear page too

Was confused

[jagged pier]

why u should really read the first pin

[tame jasper]

guides are not fully upgraded, e.g. @ionic fern has not updated icy veins with belt entchant 😄

[daring marlin]

Even if that's the case, DEFENSIVELY the HoI weapon is better. We don't really care about that miniscule amount of stats, frankly.

[red acorn]

I mean, yeah. I understand that. I was seeing recommendations for two things, and I was curious if there was reasoning behind it

[daring marlin]

We want MORE DAMAGE!

[thorny stone]

dont read guides, just go to the pinned comments and filter on the search bar by user:nomeratur

[tawny briar]

I think the reasoning is Forgestorm does more dmg

[jagged pier]

it will do more damage than anything else

sure u loose main stat

[daring marlin]

the proc is just too good