have many dps
#protection
strong forum
craggy pilot
its just a huge dps check?
just thinking if the fire can be baited or something
like specific way to put the boss
final mist
You want to bait him towards close walls so he runs less, but that's about it
The fire just shits out when he runs around
craggy pilot
yea dps should bait the charge into the wall i guess
and then rotate around the room when fire is too much
tropic gorge
And here I thought room position changes as he ran across the room was normal!
I've yet to have a pug dps not let him run across the room
past ginkgo
Pretty much, but the lava waves that create the fire shoot off from where he collided with the charge and then drop in fire pools in intervals as they travel so you just wanna bait the charge to be short and kill it before you run out of room.
tropic gorge
But it is the first week. So I guess it's okay
sick sentinel
hey guys im thinking about removing a point from Ravager and putting it on battle-scared veteran
what you guys think ?
craggy pilot
just tried it on +16, and the damage coming on the grp was insane
tropic gorge
Ravager is an amazing ability. Why do you want to drop it
Bsv is the extra life talent isn't it? Is it still bugged
past ginkgo
I think it was fixed some time ago, but you wouldn't want to drop Ravager for it.
sick sentinel
yea you are probably right
crude notch
If by fixed you mean still shitly designed sure
past ginkgo
If you are worried about the survivability and rage isn't an issue you could maybe drop booming voice for it. But you will lose a fair amount of damage.
It just isn't a good talent compared to the other cheat deaths and all the talent points that far down get tight.
proper roost
other than baiting charges close, most people don't seem to know about this mechanic
craggy pilot
other than baiting charges close, most people don't seem to know about this mech...
i know he enrages in lava
cinder monolith
Guessing you just send shield slam on cd no matter the target count
craggy pilot
trying to move him out but then he starts a fuckin cast 😄
proper roost
it's not really a huge deal
strong forum
Guessing you just send shield slam on cd no matter the target count
Like you should, yes
craggy pilot
Guessing you just send shield slam on cd no matter the target count
🤔
this was always the case 😄
cinder monolith
Before was it not a case of at a certain amount of targets shield slam was a dps loss
proper roost
mostly just a dps check + your rdps/healer not being stupid and baiting charge better
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
Before was it not a case of at a certain amount of targets shield slam was a dps...
no
strong forum
Before was it not a case of at a certain amount of targets shield slam was a dps...
In every single pull you always have a prio target which has more hp than others, and more rage is also always a better defensive gain
So just spamming aoe is mostly a time loss for a key
tropic gorge
Before was it not a case of at a certain amount of targets shield slam was a dps...
Do you mean using outburst on thunder clap in heavy target pulls?
I forget the number but that was mostly academy giga pulls like the trash around the tree boss
cinder monolith
Outburst will still follow the same prio with new set, but so far this week there is some monstrous pulls you can do that do zero tank damage even on a 20
So some cases I didn’t see the need to press shield slam on a “prio target”
long stone
Is there a big Point why echo plays with pala and monk Not with a warrior because of the spellblock ?
For sakareth
hardy snow
what door skip?
supple glacier
Why some top m+ tank have ceafted the weapon first, they bate my spark
tropic gorge
I'm using the crafted 1h sword atm
urban bane
back right pile of eggs is the way. can just leap back there and vibe then with 3 seconds left on the tongue let him drag you in closer and then charge to prevent melees/whatever
tropic gorge
I have some shield I grabbed out of a lucky m+ run and maxed it out. Atm the crafted sword is my best option
urban bane
those are the eggs circled (from a quazii video)
hardy snow
Why some top m+ tank have ceafted the weapon first, they bate my spark
I dont know, ive just got wep from raid, upgraded to 441 waiting for my forgestorm and crafted 447 shield instead of wasting spark on wep 
supple glacier
Ye
stone pike
back right pile of eggs is the way. can just leap back there and vibe then with ...
Cheers for the tip. Screw those puddles despawning halfway through and killing me.
jagged pier
Why some top m+ tank have ceafted the weapon first, they bate my spark
because they dumb
jagged pier
Is there a big Point why echo plays with pala and monk Not with a warrior becaus...
paladin is busted and WW and MW arent that great so need the buff and tanks dont matter at all u live regardless
long stone
Ha was wondered about the monk xD
blazing condor
Mystic touch
cinder monolith
Btw for people not in the know, and haven’t upgraded anything, upgrade a 2h wep first if you haven’t upgraded your 1h and shield
Kinda dumb how it works like that
Just while the topic of wep crafting and stuff is being mentioned
hushed harbor
because it makes it cheaper to upgrade the other 2 later?
cinder monolith
I upgraded 1 2h wep to 441. That allowed me to upgrade a second 2h wep to max, forgestorm to 441 and a shield to 441 for only flight stones
crude notch
because it makes it cheaper to upgrade the other 2 later?
yes
supple glacier
We are D Tier now nice
cinder monolith
Think if you upgrade a 1h as prot you need to spend the same again on shield and that doesn’t give you the 2h discount
supple glacier
On subcreation
crude notch
if you do 1h/oh it would let you upgrade the 2h, yes.
crude notch
yes
craggy pilot
how do people complete the 1500 loam rep this week?
crude notch
i have 4 tokens in my bag for 2500 rep each
craggy pilot
ah i already used all the ones i got last week 🤦♀️
can i do any events that give tokens?
craggy pilot
isnt the Loamm Niffen quest the source of our weekly spark?
thorny stone
it is
ember tangle
I saw some people drop them from raidbosses, so i think you can catch up like that if you miss it
astral crystal
Is there a big Point why echo plays with pala and monk Not with a warrior becaus...
spellwarding
final mist
I saw some people drop them from raidbosses, so i think you can catch up like th...
Correct. Half of a sparks are once a week (either from PvE rep weekly or a PvP weekly), and if you're behind then they'll just drop from shit until you're caught up.
final mist
You get one a week from that one
The one where you need to get 1500 rep with the new mole people
strong forum
final mist
If you're behind, then they drop
jagged pier
from the guy in val?
toxic pewter
I’m a niffen
final mist
That's the PvE weekly you do for a splintered spark
The PvP one is picked up in Valdrakken AFAIK
left basalt
I took off Whetstone and BigToe last night and swapped Shard of Rokmora and Talisman of the Cragshaper - lost around 5k dps, but could absolutely gigapull dungeons - was doing like 5-6 trash in 15's
Fun as hell with like 30 things smacking me and felt like 10 cd's to just rotate through
rugged mango
i have a question... i got the hc shield and hc sword shall i anyway craft the shield ? https://gyazo.com/5edf7eb7032646b750c45a201a85d7af
fresh igloo
are you going to be mythic raiding or have some other source of a 447-450 ilvl shield?
rugged mango
only hc / m+
tropic gorge
Does it matter where we put the shadow flame enhancement? And, can they go on weapons
toxic pewter
dang, Bromach is a brutal boss, surprised he didnt get any nerfs
blazing condor
crazy how RWF is almost over
they doing hella damage as well
just tuned super easily or what
potent sparrow
hey can anyone give me the 411 on why diurnas/annulet are better than the S2 rings?
jagged pier
they give u more damage than S2 rings
potent sparrow
gotcha, what sources of fire damage should I be looking to pair with diurnas?
toxic pewter
Forgestorm, shadowflame patch embellishment
potent sparrow
awesome, tyvm y'all
toxic pewter
I guess technically new shadowflame weapon enchant may work too now that I think of it
limber temple
We are trying to work this out too. Zskarn is def hitting me and my co tank 10-11 times in 20s.
limber temple
Yeah, like if you are moving him perhaps because of the dragon heads.
I thought I was missing something. If it is what it is so be it.
jagged pier
i mean also get tanky classes and immunities to soak
limber temple
Yeah at 10 stacks I think thats ticking at like 300k hp
dull zodiac
whats the min key lvl for champion gear
hot gull
+9 drops 415 champion
dull zodiac
ty
hot gull
Easiest guide ive found to follow
oak ivy
so how big pumpa is 4p 👀
ripe seal
Am i correct with the tier set items you want are helmet, chest, gloves and legs? If we're following it stat wise, it's only the shoulders who doesn't have haste+ vers or crit.
topaz sedge
Easiest guide ive found to follow
nice share my dude
toxic pewter
is iridius fragment any good for us, just got 1
sand kettle
am I still gonna be able to put a socket on a seal of diurna's chosen or nah cause it's s1 gear
toxic pewter
yah i think it should work
fresh igloo
is iridius fragment any good for us, just got 1
blood vial is better version of the same thing i think. more for dps warriors tho i think?
toxic pewter
blood vial is better version of the same thing i think. more for dps warriors th...
yeah dang vial seems a lot stronger to me cuz it has that nice crit on it
sand kettle
i thought it was mastery
amber siren
toxic pewter
oh i misread
i couldnt trade it and its an ilvl upgrade so i will use fragment for now
mage in my group really wanted the fragment lol
couldnt trade it tho
fresh igloo
yea it's bis for arcane i think
alpine ferry
If I'm playing the old 2set in raid and all I want is damage should I run this talent or not to maximize uptime, not sure how relevant the revenge damage is on ST vs less rage cost
pale hill
Are any of the raid shields better than a crafted one? Or is the shadowflame shield king?
plush tendon
Primal Molten is the 2nd best
Nelth's shield is pretty good though, but its only 3 I levels
fresh igloo
the embellished shield is terrible i thought
maybe we're talking about different things
strong forum
If I'm playing the old 2set in raid and all I want is damage should I run this t...
itll make you do less damage
plush tendon
Primal Molten doesnt have a embellishment unless you put one on it
strong forum
shadowed impact buckler is bad
primal molten defender + shadowflame armor patch is good
fresh igloo
maybe I misunderstood what " the shadowflame shield" was supposed to mean.
plush tendon
can always slap Shadowflame on another piece
but basically for shields its Nel Mythic Shield>Primal Molten>447 from M+
alpine ferry
itll make you do less damage
the talent will make me do less?
plush tendon
this tier seems like the tier where pieces like boots, belts, etc. bis are crafted pieces
since crafted goes to 447
strong forum
the talent will make me do less?
yes
alpine ferry
Cheers 🦸♂️
strong forum
youll get out less revenges, which means less shield slam resets
strong forum
BT defo doesnt help with that
its harder to play
and youll be alot weaker defensively
strong forum
everybody who plays that is a clown
it sims like 0.05% better, but is just awful to play in practice
alpine ferry
I assume its actually a dps gain to keep the 2set up perma
alpine ferry
What would you grab instead
strong forum
then instigate
alpine ferry
cheers
strong forum
id play this
so you can block flameslash every now and again
and or spellblock the big aoe
just for comfort
alpine ferry
I was running spellblock last night but dropped it to try and find more damage
but guess I can do that instead
strong forum
the only points of dmg you can gain from talent tree at that point are incredibly minor
like beyond minor
strong forum
F
strong forum
the biggest dps gain one can get is legit just trinket and forgestorm
besides just pressing button gud
alpine ferry
strong forum
and also windfury totem, actually
icy bane
these nelth pugs brutal bro
blazing condor
i understand deathwing tbh
icy bane
id go crazy too
daring marlin
Some of these dungeons are gonna be brutal on trash next week
early uldaman, some of neltharus trash
good thing we're getting a huge ilvl bump tuesday 
sick sentinel
Un tank fr?
modern brook
good thing we're getting a huge ilvl bump tuesday <:gladge:963970137701109820>
I'm going on vacation next week :^)
Idk why I told you that
daring marlin
Hope you have a great vacation!
modern brook
Thanks 🙂 it will give me 0 io so probably isn't worth it tbh
blazing condor
experience is always worth it 🙂
strong forum
Who needs io when you can be happy
crude notch
io gives me happy\
orchid mural
Likely on obv question but.... Last stand come 4pc is basically used on CD correct?
daring marlin
yes
icy bane
so close to 2k io these NL/Nelth pugs murderin me bro
sick sentinel
i only care abou getting the mount
daring marlin
Brooooo what's up with people eating waves on mammoth
sick sentinel
for now, don't even really give a shit what it looks like.
sick sentinel
Brooooo what's up with people eating waves on mammoth
new dungeon thing, for about a month people will be shakey on the dungeon
daring marlin
yogi I expect people to dodge the slow moving wave in a 20
Expectations are different in a 20 vs a 12
strong forum
nah
that would only play a role if liquid killed it just before reset
echo dropped the ball on sark
daring marlin
F
blazing condor
i mean its pretty close
even method is toeing in
seemed like a really easy raid though lol
toxic pewter
anyone else have trouble with Bromach (2nd boss Uldaman)
dusky canopy
Somebody at blizzard getting fired they didn’t buff bosses enough to hold back liquid
fresh igloo
anyone else have trouble with Bromach (2nd boss Uldaman)
it's kinda shit for us... a ranged interrupt to bring the caster add in helps, and titanic throw maybe for easier ranged aggro on add clusters. I focused on keeping the caster interrupted/stunned once adds were rounded up so dps could focus on burn totem.
plush tendon
theres only 1 caster add
just bring the boss to where the caster is
the melees will follow
daring marlin
DPS gotta kill the totem super fast too
plush tendon
^ thats the key
fresh igloo
yeah the totem hurts bad on its own, even ignoring that you need it for the stun on the boss.
plush tendon
it also stuns the adds
daring marlin
Recurring theme in these new dungeons lol
toxic pewter
I find it the most difficult boss at the moment
plush tendon
naw, that third boss trucks
daring marlin
Instantly swap and kill add or you're gonna have a bad time
plush tendon
the group
fresh igloo
random add/totem spawns and pulses crazy party wide damage because fuck your healer seems to be how season 2 works
plush tendon
not the tank
daring marlin
Third boss stomp slaps
toxic pewter
i just had a resto druid do 80k hps
daring marlin
and the bleed oof
toxic pewter
that boss puts out a lot of damage
crude notch
I put out a lot
daring marlin
😳
sick sentinel
okei
knotty vortex
is a 441 forgestorm better than the 447 crafted?
icy bane
yes
sick sentinel
I have 40K dps (tank) at 420 ilvl is good?
blazing condor
yeah 40 isnt that good
probably some stuff you can do better but no way to tell without logs
onyx needle
Is it advisable or recommended to use the emblems and upgrade your crafted neck and belt? I am noticing a lot of gear charts are not showing them being used anymore
Is there a reason for us not using it now? Not questioning out of doubt, but for reasoning behind that way if someone ask me in game i can give them the why's and why not's of things
astral crystal
The changes made it so it only gets stronger with more sockets
So it’ll be better later on when you’re holed out
flat hatch
If this is the wrong spot to post this my bad. I laughed way to damn hard at this lol.
onyx needle
Did not know if the non-crafted embellishments could stack with the 2 crafted or not anymore,
sick sentinel
If this is the wrong spot to post this my bad. I laughed way to damn hard at thi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9Ebe_rA8M healer who's key it is trying to keep the key alive
prisma crane
is a 441 forgestorm better than the 447 crafted?
per sims it doesnt seem to in larger aoe
but it crushes it in ST
daring marlin
Are fyrakk assaults basically just for transmog?
daring marlin
might do it for alt catchup, but good
toxic pewter
its bugged at the moment from what i can tell Fyrakk never arrives
dusky canopy
is a 441 forgestorm better than the 447 crafted?
If your asking because of spark crafts, definitely go farm the pogstorm don’t use spark on weapon use it on shield
Unless you plan on getting 450 raid shield in the next week or two
knotty vortex
If your asking because of spark crafts, definitely go farm the pogstorm don’t us...
No I get that I have 447 shield this week wondering the next week I guess I can sim
toxic pewter
Yah I also thinking about what to craft tomorrow
dusky canopy
Next week I would suggest a second shadowflame craft on one of the recommended slots in FAQ
Assuming you purely play Prot
dusky canopy
You could sim if you wanted or like my plan is to do belt and then engi bracers with 3rd spark
I only pick belt because I have to replace my frost fire belt
toxic pewter
Yah I want to do engi bracers also at one point
Did you put shadowflame on your shield
dusky canopy
Yes I did
toxic pewter
It’s frustrating because I want to use a flavor pocket also so I have to fit that in somewhere too
uneven mason
It’s frustrating because I want to use a flavor pocket also so I have to fit tha...
Doesn't count as a embellishment
dusky canopy
Eventually I’ll put it on something else when I start multi speccing but that’s for later in the tier when I have sparks to play with
fresh igloo
I'm at shield for pocket, belt is unstable frostfire for now, and wrist or boots will be shadowflame depending on drops after reset.
eventually swap belt to shadowflame once i get a 3rd spark
uneven mason
Tfw I get kudos for "being a great tank for a main DPS" and I have to explain that I only play a DPS on TV and I'm just biding my time until one of the raid tanks has a horrific accident
Manufactured or not
daring marlin
My god. Patch would be a 5% increase over my current stuff. 
uneven mason
It's a pricey thing
lusty tiger
Blizz can have my money if it make me gameplay more funny
That’s what I always like to say(not actually)
hollow hill
So if I'm understanding correctly, shadowflame armor patch is better than lariat if I have a higher ilvl neck piece?
I just got the neck from uldaman which could replace it
hollow hill
did they nerf the proc chance or the amount of stats lariat gives?
strong forum
duration is based on how many gems you have now
hollow hill
ahh i see
final mist
Used to be 12 seconds, now its 5 + 1 second per gem
daring marlin
Dude those Dargrul nerfs are fucking huge
daring marlin
He truly was lol
toxic pewter
Uldaman bosses need some tuning
crude notch
it was basically spawn add on spike or wipe in 18+
crude notch
nice delete apb
daring marlin
lmaop
toxic pewter
I was thinking of the wrong spell
toxic pewter
U want 1v1
strong forum
rust 1v1 snipers trickshot only
toxic pewter
crude notch
let's go
toxic pewter
Jordan I am a confirmed top ten prot warr in entire world
dusky canopy
rust 1v1 snipers trickshot only
Damn nom nostalgia!
crude notch
what world? not this one.
dusky canopy
Best time of my life so far was that era
toxic pewter
It’s already true
crude notch
pwar down bad.
crude notch
Enjoy the weirdos coming in here commenting on it.
strong forum
commenting on what
crude notch
I look at subcreation to prep what discord I need to stay out of.
daring marlin
prot war dead
toxic pewter
crude notch
trueeeeeeeeeee
toxic pewter
That site is so fucked for community perception though
crude notch
the new subcreation 2.0
strong forum
they fucking take popularity > 50th percentile dmg parse
as their ranking
50TH FUCKING PERCENTILE
strong forum
yeah its wild
crude notch
LMAO
urban portal
they dont have hekili
strong forum
thats a fucking feat in itself
urban portal
what happened to bear
strong forum
nerfed
strong forum
cant abuse items anymore
hollow hill
Nome just mad because
Where are these numbers from?
strong forum
dont
crude notch
yeah the items was a 7% loss.
urban portal
what items
strong forum
dmg tirnkets
jagged pier
what yall doing to lower our number to that?
crude notch
Where are these numbers from?
i'm refusing to answer this question because this website should not be used.
crude notch
GJ Blizz
cinder nova
Do Timereavers have trueseeing?
strong forum
real nice job there
urban portal
i use it to steal talents
urban portal
first timing a spec
strong forum
just take 99th
tbf
in raid
even the 99th % pwar barely beats bdk currently
bug fix + loss of wft hurt hard
toxic pewter
Community was successful in their anti warrior propaganda for 6 months
strong forum
gna have to see how it looks in a few weeks cuz nobody has tierset rn and that set is a 7%+ buff
strong forum
Community was successful in their anti warrior propaganda for 6 months
moreso the fact that pwar is super boring and people suck at it in raid
toxic pewter
Yah I think people don’t really like playing prot warr
Is it not fun to most people or what
strong forum
like jakey beat a warrior that has full t30, by 6k dps
toxic pewter
I have fun playing it
strong forum
like bruh
hollow hill
I feel like I'm doing a little bit less damage overall
But I could be wrong
Feels less bursty
strong forum
did you play battering ram in season1 in m+
hollow hill
Yea, that was the bugged talent right?
hollow hill
big sad
strong forum
which is an overall dmg loss of 7%
i did 1 key this week as prot
and i did feel sad on dmg meter too
did FH 13
daring marlin
😦
strong forum
and was expecting like 90k overall
(but i did not do 90k)
so i was sad
i couldve maybe done like 85k if i played ITF
but for some reason i didnt
hollow hill
I did like 50k overall in a 16 Uldaman. I must be doing many things wrong lol
strong forum
my standard is really high
but yeah the ceiling to the top is quite high
50k does sound eerily low
hollow hill
my stats are super messed up though. Everything has freakin mastery
strong forum
stats dont impact much
blazing condor
real
strong forum
how much dps
strong forum
yeah
strong forum
you might keep your rank however
thats all that counts
not alotta people playing pwar this time around
alpine ferry
Understandable
strong forum
especially on your high world rank
which is weird
cuz pwar will be quite good on the last 2
long bone
not alotta people playing pwar this time around
Why? Did we get nerfed?
alpine ferry
problem was Brew looked more appealing just due to WW not being great ST
and pala is bonkers
vagrant gazelle
Trying to figure out my second embellishment, says frostfire/shadowflame or double shadowflame, i have oen shadowflame but what helps me decide which of the 2nd i end up crafting?
alpine ferry
Only reason I was even tanking is cuz we had to kick our brewmaster
I am a DPS main
strong forum
||un||lucky
alpine ferry
actually lucky
strong forum
yeah zskan is a bitch to tank
strong forum
nelth looks/is fun tho
alpine ferry
alpine ferry
I stuck to bolster
Didnt end up needing spellblock for anything
and with bolster I could just
demo shout + wall for 1 combo
hollow hill
This might be a stupid question but are there details logs publicly available to compare with your own logs to see what you can do better?
alpine ferry
then demo wall + last stand for the next
vivid jay
Guys, i'm having some troubles mantaining aggro against the other tank, he is a dh and use Spirit bomb, my rotation os correct or i think so... Any advice? Ty
strong forum
huh
threat issues should not exist
outside of a brewmaster sending beacon + weapons of order
you got logs?
knotty stump
Do you guys open you vault in prot or fury/arms spec?
knotty stump
sweet, thanks
vivid jay
strong forum
youre not sending SS nearly enough
youre not using ignore pain at all
those 2 are huge issues
youre playing the wrong talents
strong forum
still shouldnt play show of force or shockwave
general idea should be this
once you have new 2pc you can play the build from the pins
then next off
this is what your casts look like
this is what they should look like
hollow hill
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVF...
This is for ST?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
the goal of pwar is to generate and spend as much rage as possible
without overcapping rage
treat revenge as your reset tool for shield slam
hollow hill
Interesting, I see that differs from the wowhead guide by taking overwhelming rage
strong forum
shield slam is your utmost priority
strong forum
Interesting, I see that differs from the wowhead guide by taking overwhelming ra...
those 2 points are just quality of life, dont have any actual impact on performance
you wanna track your outburst
and send it almsot exclusively on shield slam
if youre nearing 60-80 rage, send an ignore pain to dump rage
dont oversend revenges or ignore pain to dump rage, keep sending SS > TC > revenge at all times
use your CDs such as demo shout, avatar, shield charge ravager and dragon roar on CD
dont sit on them to try any funny business unless you know adds will spawn in a few seconds
vivid jay
Kk ty i Will try tomorrow those advices
strong forum
also id advise against using irideus fragment
even if its high ilvl for you
its not doing you any favours especially if you dont know how to play around it
vivid jay
MMM i Will take a look into other trinketa
frozen rose
Given that thunder clap generates very little rage, if ur capped or nearly, and have TC ready to use, would you still dump rage into ignore pain just to not overcap the extra….5 rage TC would give?
strong forum
ip
cuz that TC would with a high probability reset SS
which would cause you to use IP anyway
so youd have just wasted 5 rage + the rage generated from being hit + the rage from auto attack
dusky mica
Will they buff Enduring Dreadplate? It's kinda yikes
dusky mica
sad yikes
Does it reduce damage per hit like Aegis or is it just a fixed number of small absorbs?
dusky mica
Needs a duration buff then I guess, 15s is kind short
mighty valley
Given that thunder clap generates very little rage, if ur capped or nearly, and ...
given that ip isn't on the gcd and tc is, this isn't really a choice, you always ip to prevent capping while also filling every gcd
strong forum
first plate is 30k absorb ( which falls of pretty much instantly ) then its 24k for 2 seconds, then its 18k for 2 seconds
and so on
dusky mica
😐
Maybe they could put some passive armor it, would make it unique and fitting for the name
strong forum
its potentially SUPER strong
dusky mica
Sense needs to hit up his insider contacts for us and get it buffed!
strong forum
emphasis on potential
if you want a reliable trinket get talisman of the cragshaper or shard of rokmora
talisman being better
dusky mica
I'll test it in some dungeons I guess, but it seemed shit in the raid
strong forum
well raid dmg intake is also pretty shit
very inconsistent
and only in large bursts most of the time
dusky mica
I found only Zskarns debuff to do some damage, rest was whatever
strong forum
the biggest issue with dreadplates is
it doesnt show up on healing meter
so you have very little information to judge it
dusky mica
shit, not on the meter?!
frozen rose
Anyone have any tips about aoe dmg? I do ok lots on single target, but aoe is when I still underperforming. Is the change with 3 targets during avatar, TC priority over SE. use outburst proc on like 5 targets. At 5 targets or so ur prob prioritizing tc over ss anyway. And, cast revenge early for spreading debuff. I missing anything?
SS not SE
dusky mica
They should remove beacons damage from meters too, fecking monks
frozen rose
@strong forum nothing changes for priority list for aoe? Not even during avatar ?
strong forum
nop
frozen rose
Hm. Ok thanks
strong forum
rarely changes unless you wanna pad your overall meter
dusky mica
The crafted shield is still beans, right?
strong forum
but more often than not you have large HP targets/prio targets that need to die
warm plinth
Yes shield is ass
strong forum
The crafted shield is still beans, right?
does 20-50% of the dmg of shadowflame
yeah its pretty ass
but its super weird
i need some logs with it
sadly all my logs have been bugged when i used it
ive had the shield do 350k dmg with 1 proc on 10 targets, then only do 40k on 4 targets
theres some funky shit going on with it
dusky mica
Might craft it in a few months to play with I guess
urban portal
Maybe they could put some passive armor it, would make it unique and fitting for...
it would need a LOT of passive armor ot be good
armor is pretty bad of a stat
long stone
Neltharions Hort Nerfs: Damage variance removed - what does they mean with this?
From Dargrul
dusky mica
I was just spit balling but adding some passive armor to the item would be kinda new for this era of wow
strong forum
Neltharions Hort Nerfs: Damage variance removed - what does they mean with this...
it doesnt do between 70 or 150k dmg
it just does flat 100k dmg or some shit
long stone
so no funky spellreflect anymore :D?
urban portal
strength already adds armor
dusky mica
yea
fluid ledge
what is better Fueled by Violence or Brutal Vitality?
BV feels for me better but probably only because i can't see the heal properly
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter
fresh igloo
they're pretty close atm iirc
cinder pasture
Never lucky 😦
warm plinth
so no funky spellreflect anymore :D?
The spell reflect mechanic wasn't changed. Just the gouts again and the damage the add does when it moves.
frozen rose
Anyone got any bis list for dmg trinks? Beacon beyond, then zaqali, then??
Sim was telling me ominous next
warm plinth
Trinkets are in pins
frozen rose
Oh didn’t see. Thx
sand kettle
Hey for the first boss in brackenhide hollow can we use intervene to help the party?
long stone
The pogstorm farm continues
Hope in vault is pogstorm waiting for me
dusky canopy
Same same got a 20 to run with the guildies tonight so hoping rngesus is on my side with the vault tomorrow
dusky canopy
Hey for the first boss in brackenhide hollow can we use intervene to help the pa...
What are you intending to intervene?
sand kettle
the rogue boss does the fixate
like is it a fixate with autos or is it just a targeted ability that i cant intervene?
cinder nova
The pogstorm farm continues
what farm
cinder nova
Oh, Forgestorm
cinder nova
What’s a forgestorm?
Envy me
dusky canopy
Oh I do don’t worry but I’ll get mine 8/8 hero
cinder nova
Imagine not having a pogstorm
pure relic
:^)
dusky canopy
Freaking @daring marlin landed two in the same chest the other night
cinder nova
This is kinda 2 for 2 I got lucky with weapons in m+. Last season I lucked into First Strike week 2
daring marlin
Freaking <@145702969990578178> landed two in the same chest the other night
The freaks were the Enh, WW and Rogue.
We blasted that dungeon.
strong forum
yeah shield proc is a meme currently
maybe i can get it fixed with my log
932 dps in FH14
but atleast my overall dmg is better now
daring marlin
Disc
vapid bolt
any advice on hc zskarn? the dot hurts me soo much especially if you add the fact that you need to get the bombs on top of it
had to ask for multiple externals to survive
I'm 428 btw with no tier
strong forum
need to have people soak it with immunities
and you need SW or externals to soak
no other workaround
toxic pewter
classes with immunities that actually help with bombs are the real mvps on that fight
modern brook
craggy pilot
boys, 4x Neltharus keys on my 4 toons, what do i do? kekw
daring marlin
Nice forgesword
It's a fucking hammer
modern brook
L opinion
stone pike
boys, 4x Neltharus keys on my 4 toons, what do i do? kekw
Pray people know how to bait an elephant into a wall instead of across the room then cry when they don't.
craggy pilot
and pray they know last boss
daring marlin
or just know how to bait...anything
craggy pilot
like idk i dont even wanna do this dung
dusk loom
Hello fello tanks. In underrot there is a bug that let second boss ( warm ) not charge at all. it only moves when it does tantrum, but it doesnt do normal charge. Anyone has got any idea how to, or is there a video explaining the cheese
craggy pilot
yet i got 4 keys of it 😦
warm plinth
Good evening friendos
daring marlin
yeah, you're drunk
warm plinth
Hello fello tanks. In underrot there is a bug that let second boss ( warm ) not ...
If you stand on top of the claw near where you normally pull him, he can't charge there so he cancels it. But either everyone that's not a tank has to stand there, or you have to get lucky that it targets whoever is up there.
I wouldn't rely on that though. They fixed it in BfA so I assume it's just a matter of time before they fix it again
dusk loom
abuse it till its gone
warm plinth
idk the mechanic isn't hard anyway
craggy pilot
yeah, you're drunk
tell that to the pugs bro
warm plinth
You tank by the ribcage, group stacks next to it, ezpz
craggy pilot
theyre the ones chain dying on elephant or last boss
daring marlin
Dungeon is a banger and the last boss is prolly the easiest one now after nerfs
warm plinth
I have yet to see a pug underrot where everyone knew the mechanics though so what do I know
I did an 11 on my paladin last night just to farm some wyrm crests and had a BM hunter who did 17.8k DPS overall and knew 0 mechanics
craggy pilot
Dungeon is a banger and the last boss is prolly the easiest one now after nerfs
idk bro, my party died 10 times on that boss, even after i told them what to do 🙂
i guess i should just tell them its easy
daring marlin
daring marlin
shame on EU, they lose the most recent RWF and they can't do a basic boss now
down real bad
past ginkgo
Is there something special to the dragon mobs in HoI their breath frontal trucks?
daring marlin
They just hurt. Pop a CD.
bitter herald
on sarkareth
do we need to explode the phase 3 tank mechanic in the void realm?
warm plinth
Yeah basically what we were doing was when bombs came out, we would wait for the next swap, then the previous tank would grab a bomb and go down
So you get rid of a bomb and the void explosion at the same time
though tbf I only did normal, so idk if that's viable on heroic
thin silo
ideally yes
Goddammit I tried to test this in our raid but something else must have hit right as my bomb went off, leading me to believe that it hit the raid regardless
hardy snow
ah im asking for normal anyway xd
you should drop bomb in void realm no matter of difficulty, and dont forget to gather buff while down there
tropic gorge
what would a good ilvl gap be to lose tier bonus
cinder nova
Probably 12 ilvls over per piece, but just sim it and find out
Probably not breaking 4p w/o 2p first anyway
So try not to think too hard on it.
honestly, I'd just get 2p T30 first and then sim other pieces against 2p T29 to see if it's worth holding 2p
warm plinth
I second this
cinder nova
Holy fuck I said something right for a change 
tropic gorge
haha
nocturne spindle
sick sentinel
what if u have s1 2pc and s2 2 pc 🤔
i dunno im not super compelled to play wow recently
only did a 5 and a 8 this week, i could do 2 more
warm plinth
What if you do
vocal verge
Spell block mandatory for HoI isn’t it? Because ocean breath
zenith briar
Is that drake breath? Someone was saying that can be ranged the other day
vocal verge
Yeah the Drake breath
zenith briar
Yeah if that person was to be believed its rangeable past 12-15 yds
cinder nova
Shadowflame Patch quality doesn't indicate damage, does it? It just affects the recipe difficulty?
fresh igloo
Shadowflame Patch quality doesn't indicate damage, does it? It just affects the ...
i think that's correct
reef haven
Dumb question, do Ravager and Thunderous Roar dot snapshot for their entire duration or is their damage dynamic according to buffs
mighty valley
Basically nothing snapshots these days
Should line up with your buffs anyway but if you throw it out and gain a buff a second later you're fine
reef haven
Even the thunderous roar dot?
safe mango
Is anyone continuing the updates to the spell reflect weak aura?
warm plinth
Dumb question, do Ravager and Thunderous Roar dot snapshot for their entire dura...
Only feral druids and like one other thing (it's not something for us but idr what it is) snapshot
Nothing else does. It's all dynamic
reef haven
ay thx, always had that question in the back of my mind and just assumed it was dynamic since season 1
bitter herald
Only feral druids and like one other thing (it's not something for us but idr wh...
quite a few of arcane's abilities
reef haven
I've had to worry about snapshots on other classes before even after legion, only started playing warrior this expac
warm plinth
Yeah I don't recall arcane having any dots
bitter herald
dot wise only nether tempest
warm plinth
So what is snapshotting then?
bitter herald
bonus damage from how many arcane charges
warm plinth
That's not what snapshotting is
reef haven
thats just from tooltip
bitter herald
you change arcane charges but the damage still keeps as if it was at 4? (assuming you cast it at 4)
warm plinth
Snapshotting is e.g. you gain a damage buff and apply a bleed, and the bleed maintains the bonus damage even if the damage buff ends before the bleed does.
In that scenario, the damage the ability does is based on the charges when cast. That's different than snapshotting.
mighty valley
yeah i'm googling for arcane mage snapshotting and it's all wrath classic stuff
warm plinth
If a feral druid sends a 5 combo point rip, it does damage based on the combo points, but the damage is still different than if they did a tiger's fury 5cp rip
mighty valley
anyway we won't need to go down this rabbit hole too far
warm plinth
But in that case, even if tiger's fury dropped before Rip expired, the rip would maintain the same damage for the rest of it
For pretty much everything outside of Feral, this is not the case
If a Balance druid, for example, has a moonfire going, and then they leave lunar eclipse, the active moonfire will start ticking for less since it loses the damage amp
sick sentinel
i wonder if arcane mage is still good or not
bitter herald
then it seems functionally the same for nt "snapshotting" charges?
but yeah not worth getting into for this patch at least 😛
reef haven
its king
sick sentinel
i like arcane the most but that was due to time anomoly alot of it
sick sentinel
mages in the mage discord got mad at me for using passive buff talents but i enjoyed them more than then arcane power and circle of power meta
sick sentinel
im sorry, im just not a fan of "i can deal tons of dmg but im locked into hardcasting AND being at a specific spot"
reef haven
they are top spec for heroic and m+
mighty valley
rune of power is going away next patch
but if you don't like hardcasting, don't play a hardcasting spec
sick sentinel
i hate circle of power cuz its just like well, if its put in a bad spot, your fucked
GG
warm plinth
Yeah I don't mind Rune but I'm not sad to see it go either.
mighty valley
not taking arcane power is....................................................... a real take though
warm plinth
The main mistake people make with it is that they drop it then just sit in the middle of it
Where if you move to the side, you can generall avoid anything that gets placed there by moving to the other side
bitter herald
its radius is deceptively large
sick sentinel
like, no, i forget exactly how it works but aracne mage has a bit of prot warrior going on
bitter herald
and icy flows is good
sick sentinel
i think its whgenever you cast AP you cast rune, and backwards
mighty valley
I'm always meh on rop, it's a little too much power baked into a boring knowledge test
sick sentinel
and i just didn't like that play style
warm plinth
Yeah that's how all three mage specs work with rune
They can manually cast it but it also casts with their CDs
warm plinth
So you have double the uptime you used to
sick sentinel
defeats the entire purpose of your a mage and you can move around and cast stuff to me
warm plinth
Arcane has literally never been able to move around and cast though
It's a turret spec
Fire also does a decent amount of turreting in between combustions
sick sentinel
no i know, but move to some other location that isn't covered in fire
mighty valley
i dunno how people put up with arcane on halondrus, power to them I guess
warm plinth
That's what shimmer is for
hot raft
So with the new upgrade system does the tier gear > champion upgrades? or does item level trump the set bonus?
reef haven
fire is quite mobile bcs of a lot of instant casts
mighty valley
fire mobility is fun and interesting to me
with ice floes, at least
with the amount you have to hardcast pyro these days
warm plinth
My only issue with fire is I'll never be good at it; it requires a lot of nuance that I just can't grasp and I don't want to main it so I'll never put in the time to learn it properly.
mighty valley
yeah, in m+ it's pretty tough for me
reef haven
I find it the easiest of all 3
mighty valley
although i personally enjoy the version right now that doesn't even involve flamestrike lol
warm plinth
Frost is literally brain dead though
reef haven
outlaw is braindead, have a weakaura to tell you when to reroll and use all cds on cooldown bcs delaying is just bad
sick sentinel
i liked combat even beter
bladeflurry, killing spree, sinister strike, eviscerate, what more do you need?
warm plinth
You literally still have all of those
reef haven
what was the aoe dot called?
sick sentinel
it was so simple to do, every mob can have 5 points, attack with same attack over and over and over until you reach 5 points, dump into evis, repeat
i don't like the pistol part
warm plinth
You can't have CP on multiple mobs though
Before it was on the player, you lost your combo points if you went on a different target
sick sentinel
i don't
rogues had some weird talents in sub
noob 2006 me used a build that involved ghostly strike while leveling, figured it helped me live better, like a mini evasion.
sick sentinel
im surprised ghostly got changed from a DR in 2004 to a damage amp in 202X
cinder nova
You can't have CP on multiple mobs though
What's a good stack to swap on zskarn with
sick sentinel
Is Forgestorm good?
cinder nova
Yes
reef haven
What's a good stack to swap on zskarn with
4-5
reef haven
Sorry, its 7-10
warm plinth
What's a good stack to swap on zskarn with
Which mechanic is that again? The name of it
reef haven
searing claws
warm plinth
Oh. I think we were just going until the debuff expired. Like 5-7 stacks
clever heart
this still our bis emblishment list ? for m+ ?
warm plinth
Double patch is better than belt + patch but it's only about 200 dps
clever heart
kk ty. is that the case for raid too ?
warm plinth
Yes, the 200 DPS is for ST.
uneven mason
TFW you make the mistake of deciding to run 4 keys on an alt and the 13 neltharius drops forgefuckthatmonk
warm plinth
granite pond
There’s a haste crit one in…freehold? I think? But that one is solid too. Though you’d have to sim it because it’ll depend on your current ring and probably annulet in other slot
hexed pumice
421 melandrus ring
toxic pewter
I rolled 82, shadow priest rolled 99 on heroic sark beacon trinket
is that trinket even meant for ranged players? wat??
urban portal
its good for everyone
mighty valley
is this a person you know or a rando
toxic pewter
just a rando
toxic pewter
he didnt respond when I whispered him
such is life
its like 50 trinkets from the top of trinkets they would want to use lmao
mighty valley
there is no code of honor among randos
tropic pond
is there any WA for spell reflect for this season?
viral axle
I just got the new 2 set, is it worth me keeping my old 2 set along with the new 2 set, or should i break the old 2 set for higher ilvl pieces?
cinder nova
I just got the new 2 set, is it worth me keeping my old 2 set along with the new...
S I M
restive crown
do we still use eranog ring if we go double shadowflame for raid?
toxic pewter
I just got the new 2 set, is it worth me keeping my old 2 set along with the new...
I plan to use 2 and 2 myself
if you guys were to buy 2 tier pieces which slots would you choose
cobalt swan
Is it worth to actually use the 4 pecies?
ruby musk
It's literally free damage
Also true
hollow hill
, is lariat still dumb op ?
lariat is nerfed, replace that embellishment slot with a shadowflame armor kit when you can
At least that's what I was told earlier
daring marlin
Sure hope I don't get multiple tank trinkets tomorrow in the vault
toxic pewter
dude beacon trinket does insane dam
daring marlin
it truly does
civic junco
how does the vault calc if you get a hero or champion piece if ur M+ lies in both ilvl
warm plinth
Lariat was never dumb OP. But we do not use it anymore.
warm plinth
how does the vault calc if you get a hero or champion piece if ur M+ lies in bot...
You always get the higher track available.
civic junco
nice
fringe siren
How is everyone tanking magmatusk / grouping ?
undone verge
Personally I’m just not queuing for neltharus
fringe siren
We only died 65 times in that key, very reasonable
Tusk just felt weird, could never find a way to tank him that wasn't splitting dps or requiring lots of downtime
fringe siren
RIP
undone verge
Last boss is not overtuned
fringe siren
I'm impressed you got through the dragon
undone verge
Dragon we actually did in two pulls
fringe siren
Did that shit on a 19 and we disbanded
proud tide
I hate that damn dragon
daring marlin
Personally I’m just not queuing for neltharus
BEST DUNGEON
undone verge
We got to the last boss with a minute left on the timer
Spent 105 minutes on the Asaad
fringe siren
EZ
daring marlin
lol, lmao
fringe siren
I've been trying to find a good hand of the protector spec
daring marlin
I kinda like BH now
treemouth nerfs too!
trash leading up to first boss next week tho
big spook
pallid quiver
The trash in there is so ez
Meanwhile, rewind to Cata times...
austere agate
can i get 2 omni token from hc raid and 2000 rating
or its limited to 1 per char
?
daring marlin
1 per
peak crane
Hey, not sure if this is the best place to ask but what ilv gear should I be using my drake/wyrm crests on if I only do up to +15 M+ dungeons? Should I wait for gear with my ideal secondary stats?
dull relic
youd like to try and not use wyrm crests until you have gear at least on the hero track
cuz it can go up to 441
but drakes you can kinda use freely without issue
fringe siren
New system is more forging though right