thats about it
#protection
jagged pier
blazing condor
dank
ionic fern
Freehold is also cool, pull 180% of trash just because it does nothing and you like big pulls.
blazing condor
oh yeah we get FH and UR back
ionic fern
Someone told me you can't tank the last boss in the corner anymore since it resets.
Yes/No?
jagged pier
i dunno im just killing that pack before the boss anyway
ionic fern
i dunno im just killing that pack before the boss anyway
Eww.
ionic fern
Ewww.
blazing condor
will people still do the whole BL 1st, 2nd and Ring strat
harlan 3rd and sharkfist or whatever his name was last
blazing condor
makes sense to do him without BL then
jagged pier
i mean the only hard boss is the second
blazing condor
ye
i only really played in 8.2 so idk how the meta shifted but youd just clear shit towards the ring to get BL back
then do 2nd
cinder nova
holy fuck DPS are braindead
blazing condor
kind like you did in UR where you went past and did 3rd then did Cragmaw with BL
ionic fern
i only really played in 8.2 so idk how the meta shifted but youd just clear shit...
That's what i roughly did ya.
First boss->Clear to 3rd boss->RP->Clear trash during RP->Do Piggy/Tortoise->Go do 2nd boss
blazing condor
yup
makes sense
see im a pro m+ gamer 
gonna totes pwn noobs when i get gametime
ionic fern
Wdym.
blazing condor
ionic fern
Theres like 10k+ people here.
blazing condor
its not the same
jagged pier
^
jagged pier
pog
oblique kayak
First boss hurts
ionic fern
Is easy?
oblique kayak
rest is pretty easy
ionic fern
Cool.
cinder nova
First boss only hurts if you stand in the frontal tbh
oblique kayak
Totem hurts
strong forum
1st boss is easy, its Bromach and the Stun boss that fucks
oblique kayak
ohh sry i thought of that one XD
ionic fern
Goddamnit.
I hate new dungeons.
oblique kayak
the trogg
strong forum
the bleed on stun boss trucks hard
and Bromach is a dps/hps check
cuz of the totem
cinder nova
Nom how do I minmax my stupid DPS
strong forum
press button
oblique kayak
Tank with a 2hand 😛
cinder nova
every totem mechanic
strong forum
yeah okay thats just stupid
oblique kayak
? really?
strong forum
if you have melee you cant see the balls
oblique kayak
ohhh
strong forum
and just get chunked
oblique kayak
yeah never thought of that as a tank as i can see them well
strong forum
the explosion of the fire circle does 80% of your health as dps/healer
oblique kayak
mhmm true
maybe i jsut like any reflect boss
Hoping NL gehts nerfed on the second boss aswell - That AoE is nasty on 19
cinder nova
Another nerf?
strong forum
pretty sure 2nd boss didnt get touched
neon vigil
so guys someone know if there is a weakaura for automarker totem on Ularogg?
crude notch
just follow it 4head
strong forum
no
runic hatch
just follow it 4head
It's too quick 🤡
broken kite
jagged pier
👀
oblique kayak
ufff
strong forum
When can i drop T29 Tier piece??
You can drop 4pc once you have 2 items which are 15+ilvl upgrade each or to get new T30 2pc
You can drop 2pc once you have T30 2pc/4pc and/or if you sim higher without it
hardy snow
why specifically two itesm 15+? and does it matter if its chest/helm/legs vs gloves/shoulders?
strong forum
cuz 4pc is quite alot of value
nimble ocean
so turns out dargrul in nelth lair you can spell reflect molten crash
jagged pier
yes
nimble ocean
spell reflect did like 6m damage in a 13 lmfao
ionic fern
so turns out dargrul in nelth lair you can spell reflect molten crash
Since that one was a surprise for you i advise you to take a look at the pinned reflectable/blockable sheet.
jagged pier
i just remebered ppl may not have played legion
so may not know about that one
legion was great
i miss her
sad ppl missed it
tender phoenix
Miss the shield
crude notch
OMG
potent gulch
Bring back critical damage 20%. :(((
crude notch
DID YOU GUYS HEAR
jagged pier
nighthold patch was the most fun ive ever had playing wow, at uni nothing to worry about just memeing with my mates, doing dumb shit any time of day. game was fun classes were fun
god it was so good
static aspen
Bring back critical damage 20%. :(((
Your profile picture makes me mad
toxic pewter
DID YOU GUYS HEAR
Hear wat
crude notch
you want to guarantee you get tier legs in vault?
toxic pewter
I have a personal rule I don’t craft tier slots
lament shell
ye but the pants are pog
toxic pewter
Cuz I crafted engineer helm and tier helm dropped like next day
crude notch
Yeah that's how you guarantee you get something
warm plinth
DID YOU GUYS HEAR
I heard this recently, and thought it was a nifty fact: Joe Biden's date of birth is closer to the end of Lincoln's presidency than the beginning of his own. (78 years, 2 months from birth to inauguration, 77 years, 7 months from birth to Lincoln's assassination)
toxic pewter
Interesting
fiery raft
we agree that the 1 crafte is the weapon ?
or we are waiting for the 1 vault of the week ?
fiery raft
kk
jagged pier
forgestorm is too OP crafting a wep is trolling
fiery raft
ok
obsidian rampart
Tonight i will craft my shield at 447 ( good idea ? ) should i put the embellish of shadowflamme ? 
jagged pier
umm i would suggest just waiting a little bit
obsidian rampart
For the craft or the value of embelissh ?
jagged pier
both
obsidian rampart
Okay ty
clear trench
The priority not was the frostfire belt?
jagged pier
no?
clear trench
I saw it on wowhead, that's why I ask
unreal arrow
What does the max shield from ignore pain stack with?
jagged pier
30% of your max hp
tender quartz
do we need to do some quest to get the spark half this week?
limpid anchor
I saw it on wowhead, that's why I ask
Wowhead list is scuffed
jagged pier
not the worst thing we are actually trying to update the FQA today so alot of these answers will be in there soon hopefull
clear trench
do we need to do some quest to get the spark half this week?
I got mine from the quest to earn 1500 rep from the new faction.
dull zodiac
ITF vs HR whats to be considered?
strong forum
t30 2pc
dull zodiac
ive got it
strong forum
then you play the builds pinned
dull zodiac
thx
strong forum
tfw 411 forgestorm sims 80 dps higher than 421 strike twice
tender quartz
I'm like 60 keys in and still haven't got it
So I was wondering if I needed to do something special
strong forum
if you upgrade it to max its competetive with strike twice 
dull zodiac
isnt any 437 wep better?
strong forum
that requires you to have a 437 tomm
strong forum
ive only done 1 dungeon
dull zodiac
ahhh
strong forum
nothing unlucky here m8
dull zodiac
ittl be soon enough then
dull zodiac
but but but
jagged pier
he has server smash this weekend
blazing condor
off with his orange
jagged pier
u wanna do that job?
strong forum
ive considered it multiple times
blazing condor
crude notch
he's theorycrafting how to get out of theorycrafting
old sinew
forgestorm rly that good? I have a 437 forgestorm (got to upgrade it after crafting a 447 shield - the rules for upgrades are kind of bizarre but I'll take it).
Hopefully the shadowflame patch isn't overhyped as well, stuck that on my new shiny shield
That feel when you run a 16 Nelth instead of a 17 Nelth and can't upgrade to 441 tho 😱
crude notch
wait what
jagged pier
yer but it doesnt matter
crude notch
a 447 shield made it so you could upgrade your 1h?
old sinew
thats not how it works
Okay but like I just did it so
jagged pier
did it cost u crests tho?
old sinew
It did not
jagged pier
🤷
old sinew
It would have cost crests before I crafted shield and then didn't after
jagged pier
yer that seems wrong because u they arent the same slot or wep
u didnt get a higher ilvl wep at some point even 2h?
toxic gyro
Sounds wrong bc I upgraded my weapon to 437 and shield im working on atm requires crests
old sinew
I had a 437 one-hand axe, and upgrading forgestorm said it required crests to upgrade. Then I crafted the shield, and the crest requirement to upgrade forgestorm went away.
strong forum
did you get a 2h weapon
strong forum
cuz you didnt have both slots filled
strong forum
^
its either 2h or both mainhand + offhand
same is with rings and trinkets now
you need 2 items
before its free
old sinew
upgrade shield ---> discount hammer. 🤷♂️
toxic gyro
old sinew
I mean either way we take it. Getting to craft my shield and then upgrade my hammer is two birds with one stone
crude notch
except it's not
you already spent the crests on a weapon
Or looted it at 437
You didn't kill 2 birds with one stone, it's two stones.
If you just had that shield and no 1h that was already 437, you wouldn't have been able to upgrade your forgestorm
strong forum
well if he had upgraded forgestorm before crafting shield, hed have to pay twice
just got lucky he did it the other way around
old sinew
well if he had upgraded forgestorm before crafting shield, hed have to pay twice
right I had to sit on my forgestorm until I crafted my shield. But just in terms of feels I finished a dungeon, got to craft a shield, then I got to equip a new weapon
Now we pray to Ion for tier in Vault
crude notch
You're getting a 447 non-forgestorm 1h in vault, gg
uneven mason
TIL they limit the item restoration to patch breaks
crude notch
uh
nah
did you do a character service though on that toon?
My monk can restore stuff from March so.
uneven mason
did you do a character service though on that toon?
Oh yup, server Xfer
crude notch
Yep that's it
uneven mason
that's ok though realized it was the paladin that got the item I was looking for because I didn't think I'd ever have gotten rid of it
hazy hazel
These fights seem a bit tough as a prot warrior. Every fight has a stacking dot....
Raid that is
strong forum
belt/wrist/boots/shield
hard vine
in that order or wither one?
strong forum
either or
hard vine
i have belt (frost fire) and shield crafted 421 from season 1
really dont know what to pick here
strong forum
shield
hard vine
thank u sir
old sinew
421 ---> 447 shield giving 9% DR (and getting to swap to shadowflame) is pretty lit
strong forum
9% total DR, but 33% effective DR
fickle grove
is Forgestorm 1h wep something you wanna use ?
strong forum
bis
fickle grove
reallY?
strong forum
yes
potent gulch
what level m+ drops hero items?
strong forum
17+
tender quartz
Are you really about to complain after 6 runs?
potent gulch
Are you really about to complain after 6 runs?
yes 😭
hardy snow
I've just read discussion about upgrading onehand after crafting shield, so Im reading it correctly that If i've already upgraded my wep to 437, Ive wasted some crest as I wouldnt have to use them if I had already crafted 447/437 shield?
proper roost
💀
crude notch
I've just read discussion about upgrading onehand after crafting shield, so Im r...
no
strong forum
read the rest of the discussion
fickle grove
is there a pin anywhere for what items to craft?
strong forum
is there a pin anywhere for what items to craft?
faq is being updated
just waiting for mod to push it
fickle grove
aight cheers
strong forum
but until its updated
ill make it a pin here
Q:Which Embellishments should I use/Spark should I craft on??
Sparks:
- First craft should be Shield to get a 447 Shield as it is your most important defensive item
- ilvl upgrades that arent tierslots
Embellishments:
- 2x Shadowflame Armor Patch (Boots/Belt/Wrists/Shield)
or - 1x Shadowflame Armor Patch (Boots/Wrists/Shield) + Unstable Frostfire Belt
The difference between the 2 options is negligible, Belt grants the slow, Shadowflame does a TINY bit more dmg depending on your gear.
Q: I want a bis list!
BiS lists are a thing of the past because of the RNG of Vault and depending on how much of the raid you can clear on mythic.
The only notable things that are listable are as follows:
- Any 450 pieces from raid
- [Treemouth's Festering Splinter] from Brackenhide Hollow
- [Beacon to the Beyond], [Elementium Pocket Anvil], [Zaqali Chaos Grapnel] (offensive ST trinkets) and [Neltharion's Call to Chaos] [Ominous Chromatic Essence] (offensive aoe trinkets) from Abberus
- any ilvl upgrade
Q: Which dungeons should i play Spellblock?
- Neltharus and Uldaman
Most keys have little to no magic dmg aimed at the tank so Spellblock is hardly useful outside of those 2 Keys. Halls of Infusion it can potentially be somewhat useful on the section between 2nd and 3rd boss around the heavy caster area, but outside of that theres not alot going on either. Same goes for Brackenhide
sick sentinel
very soon now i can print off reflect sheets
whenever i feel like unpacking and installing
i gotta look up routes and whatever for these new dungeons though, for sure haven't tried a mythic + yet
surreal birch
[Onyx Annulet] and [421 Seal of Diurna's Chosen] (rings) for raid why those? I get that Onyx is big big ST, but diurna?
strong forum
whaddaya think
surreal birch
I can only think of 1k vers, and with emblemishes+Forgestorm fire damage
wind latch
so youre saying i never replace onyx annulet
strong forum
for raid
sick sentinel
so, i still have to run a M+ to get a piece of gear that can be upgraded same amount of ilvls or close to as last season
cuz, they changed gearing, but im not entirely sure how
surreal birch
cuz, they changed gearing, but im not entirely sure how
you get pieces that can be upgraded to certain ilvl's so doing +11-15 (iirc) gives you Champion that can be upgraded to 437
marble cipher
Onnyx still simming better than crit haste 437 ring for me in aoe (1:30 5t patchwerk) 
sick sentinel
im glad that the game is going forwards, im just not used to it yet,
wind latch
is using the aspects crest for the 447 shield better than getting 4 other things to 447 sooner?
surreal birch
Keystone +9 to +16 End of Dungeon Loot
Normal Raid Items
Hero - Item level 428 to 441
Keystone +17 to +20 End of Dungeon Loot
Heroic Raid Items```cuz the rest of your gear is not 437+
wind latch
ik onyx gets worse the better your gear is
marble cipher
Kk, makes sense
sick sentinel
is using the aspects crest for the 447 shield better than getting 4 other things...
my noob suggestion as 415 ilvl is shield=weapon > embellish 1 /embellish2 >> food buff
sick sentinel
was VP really that bad so far?
strong forum
im surprised theyre nerfing dungeons already
crude notch
same
daring marlin
On higher keys? just the second and last bosses.
crude notch
VP and BH face the same problem of an add spawning that needs to die or else.
And it just had too much hp
sick sentinel
and said "okay if something goes wrong with boss 1 vp, we nerf x ability by yz %"
strong forum
last boss just ramped into infinity
sick sentinel
one thing i think it would be cool, is if you can look at the old seasons of dungeons from M+ under the dungeons list
daring marlin
It sure wasn't post nerf
strong forum
you still had 4 lava pools?
daring marlin
I know because I had stacks of the curse
strong forum
cuz thats what the nerf did
sick sentinel
and then so it just says "current m+ pool" and "older m+ pools"
strong forum
only 1 pool
crude notch
nome
daring marlin
crude notch
he moved onto neltharus
sick sentinel
and it would have the dungeons that were being run and the ilvl you could have expected to get from them.
daring marlin
yeah it's weird actually to have two dungeons
crude notch
Neltharion's Lair, Neltharion, and Neltharus. We love to see it.
daring marlin
that closely named
sick sentinel
so people can just look at what used to be
crude notch
And you get the raid fight too
wind latch
so when would i replace annulet in m+ setting
strong forum
nelglection
crude notch
Add damage still pretty wild. It's stupidly important to spawn the add on the spike as a tank. (Dragrul in Neltharion's Lair)
strong forum
so when would i replace annulet in m+ setting
once you have 430+ ilvl id say
you gotta keep in mind that you do give up defensive capabilites so its not just a pure sim question
wind latch
so do we take the 447 embellish shield or just the standard crafted shield?
raven zealot
do you think a 424 enduring dreadplate is worth it over a 405 whetstone?
sick sentinel
there was an argument that if you were bad at pressing button, that annulet was better for you, how does this come in to factor
with what you have just discussed
because, with nomer, i know he's expecting top level or high level game play
strong forum
so do we take the 447 embellish shield or just the standard crafted shield?
standard
strong forum
do you think a 424 enduring dreadplate is worth it over a 405 whetstone?
offensively, hell no
dreadplates is a weird one
raven zealot
maaan i just want a higher ilvl trinket
daring marlin
you know what needs a wee bit of tuning next? rot damage on khajin
just a tiny bit
raven zealot
ive been hard stuck with this 405 whetstone for forever
strong forum
dont rly have an assessment if its a good trinket yet or not
sick sentinel
maaan i just want a higher ilvl trinket
i want higher ilvl INTERESTING trinket
"you press this button and then it deals 100k dmg" every 2 minutes.... yay.....
raven zealot
yeah
wind latch
im currently using mark of dargrul and the chain trinket from raid
mark is currently pulling 7-9%
sick sentinel
is mark of drag from legion dungeons
radiant pebble
How come I don't see any guides recommending Forgestorm weapon? How is crit/hast weapon with a proc not our best?
strong forum
it is our best
sick sentinel
cuz, if so GG, im never ever getting it outside of vault
i have negative levels of experince on this seasons legion dungeon
not even view it on youtube,
radiant pebble
it is our best
ok, thought it would be.
strong forum
FAQ is updated
crude notch
this is the perfect week to play keys you don't know about yogi because 99% of players also don't know.
Like I've straight up gotten away with murdering people left and right because "oops sorry for pointing that frontal at you"
crude notch
Yeah, I had the ragiest group into the most wholesome group to end my night, it was perfect.
daring marlin
Had this bitchy Priest whining about my route
hexed moth
does the neltharios dung wopean better than crafted one?
jagged pier
yes
daring marlin
Cuz dps weren't kicking molten core as I wasn't able to get them all
icy bane
Yeah forgestorm is your bis
daring marlin
mf ate mammoth charge
icy bane
Got a forgestorm from a 15, feelsgood
wind latch
in my last 2 dungeons mark did 5.7k dps for 6% of my dmg
crude notch
Had this bitchy Priest whining about my route
Had a wholesome moment
"Yeah, I didn't do keys in Legion, so I have no idea what the ideal way to pull this dungeon is."
And they responded with:
"Actually I think this is the best route I've seen in here."
😳
daring marlin
Got a forgestorm from a 15, feelsgood
forge ganggang
hexed moth
So what best crafted gear i should craft
icy bane
forge ganggang
Ye been lucky on drops so far, need to farm dargul trinket
proper roost
this is the perfect week to play keys you don't know about yogi because 99% of p...
actually insanely true
icy bane
So what best crafted gear i should craft
If you aren’t a mythic raider, shield
proper roost
but people have weird mentals week 1 as well, and aren't filtered out yet
crude notch
Wait @strong forum does the 2h thing work for 1h+shield? I asked last night but I'm pretty sure you were bedge.
proper roost
that guy who rage griefed a 14 VP because his group didn't know all the new mechanics in there day 1
💀
crude notch
I know it works for 1h+1h for my monk
strong forum
Wait <@192743144276623360> does the 2h thing work for 1h+shield? I asked last ni...
Yes 2h works
crude notch
I got a fat 2h on my monk and I've been upgrading it to upgrade my pogstorm+tusk. So good to know that same strat works for y'all.
DH just screwed I guess.
strong forum
Legit just a week 1 and 2 issue lol
crude notch
Fair
strong forum
After that you have infinite crests
(not actually infinite but more than you can use)
mental scarab
Btw when can We transform gear into tier 
strong forum
5 more weeks
toxic pewter
dang
mental scarab
Shhuuuuut
toxic pewter
i still havent gotten a single tier piece
strong forum
You get a free omni token with 2k score
toxic pewter
You get a free omni token with 2k score
whoa really
proper roost
just do normal/heroic, it's really easy this phase tbh - can definitely pug normal clear
strong forum
Yes, it's currently bugged
toxic pewter
i see
strong forum
Lotta people not gotten theirs
vocal verge
you all ever get upset at other warriors that don't max out spell reflection utility?
cursive jacinth
Guys QQ: Does S1 Tier still work in S2?
proper roost
💀 yeah i heard the ksm omnitoken is broken atm
strong forum
Guys QQ: Does S1 Tier still work in S2?
Ofc.
strong forum
💀 yeah i heard the ksm omnitoken is broken atm
Aotc token is also broken
cursive jacinth
so if I have tier helm at 402 and got a non tier helm at 418 ....402 tier is probably still better
proper roost
is it? my friend said everyone in his raid got the omnitoken, it was only the 2 people who got ksm before their heroic clear that didn't
crude notch
so if I have tier helm at 402 and got a non tier helm at 418 ....402 tier is pro...
pins cover this.
proper roost
that was wednesday, idk if it was broken on tuesday or something
crude notch
We're gonna be full max ilvl by catalyst time. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a step back next season to make gearing not as quick.
strong forum
is it? my friend said everyone in his raid got the omnitoken, it was only the 2 ...
Reloe has neither his aotc or his KSM token
cursive jacinth
pins cover this.
Yup got it now. Thank you!!!!
proper roost
did he get ksm first tho or aotc first
strong forum
Aotc
proper roost
unfortunate
iron cosmos
So what are you guys gonna craft first?
daring marlin
You get a free omni token with 2k score
It's only 2k? hmmmm
crude notch
is that what his tweet was about?
strong forum
FAQ
blazing dune
ty
dusky canopy
not enough ppl for shyhold keys tho
We could make this happen plenty of gamers chillin in here
knotty vortex
can we break the 4set for 2set?
rancid ember
10.0 4 set is meh so yeah.
old sinew
can we break the 4set for 2set?
I think you can ditch 5% leech for a dps gain yea.
knotty vortex
no u dont need 2
knotty vortex
i was worrried since its hard to taken an;ything else away
toxic pewter
ya
round socket
Can anyone share me their tree for M+ for 2 set bonus (season 1)
toxic pewter
gonna use the one in pins
rustic shadow
What is everyone making for their shadow flame armor patch? A shield?
knotty vortex
wrists belt boots
rustic shadow
Ah that makes sense
dusky canopy
dont seem to need it
Basically forget it exists for now
rustic shadow
Oh, didn't see it the other day thanks
dusky canopy
Day 4 without pogstorm
strong forum
It's FAQ now
dusky canopy
What is everyone making for their shadow flame armor patch? A shield?
I put mine on shield because I wanted shield and shadow flame right away
old sinew
What is everyone making for their shadow flame armor patch? A shield?
I did shield. Getting a 447 shield and also getting shadow flame embellishment was like two birds one stone
dusky canopy
You can always change it later with re crafts it just costs gold
old sinew
I don’t raid so I don’t care if raid has a better 450 shield
knotty vortex
Cuz I was fed up with people asking for bis lists and crafts
yeah i read it for a sec in pins this morning
dusky canopy
For 99% of people in this chat you will always use 447 shield
So just craft shield and stop worrying about it
Let’s you open vault in fury right away
knotty vortex
I don’t raid so I don’t care if raid has a better 450 shield
if ur not doing mythic raid 447 crafted is the best one
dusky canopy
Like I said
old sinew
Cuz I was fed up with people asking for bis lists and crafts
Tbh like, swooping in to see what to craft is like the top reason for this discord to even exist.
knotty vortex
so we are keeping the seal and onyx this whole tier?
dusky canopy
For ST pretty much
Stats will win in aoe
Always sim
And trust orange man guidance
dusky canopy
Shoulders are least favorable but you use it if it gives you a set bonus
some mastery is good
dusky canopy
@strong forum btw, I love the fact that 411 pogstorm is even still that good! LOL
Turbo busted
cerulean tusk
@strong forum so, we using annulet, what is the BiS embelishments currently on the 2nd ring? I was thinking of growing tomatoes, yet I am not sure - so where can I get BiS seeds? Of course, I also concidered that water is wet, but - hear me out, I wrote on my napkin last night - I forgot to bring it, but it made a ton of sense. Like, BiS list for crafts when?
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
daring marlin
<@192743144276623360> so, we using annulet, what is the BiS embelishments curren...
yogiposting
dusky canopy
I’m doing a Metroid prime play through and it’s pretty great, final mission was yolo”
-yogi
sick sentinel
i play, rpgs, racing games and shooters, and some times niche crap
sick sentinel
fear is fucking goated, don't you even dare
dusky canopy
Bro I bet they are I’ve never played them
sick sentinel
f.3.a.r. wtf, im playing through it but wtf, its kinda bad im seeing
crude notch
They made last boss of BH too easy now
sick sentinel
the green circle moves too slowly and too predictably
one of those 2 things would have to change
undone verge
I got a 424 2hander last night so I guess I’m fury now
undone verge
Facts
I’m pulling like 4 packs together and I’m fine but the group dying
It’s sad
daring marlin
They made last boss of BH too easy now
Shaddup
I'm sure dummies tanking her wrong will make it ass.
sick sentinel
someone here said the totem was too hard, it sounds like they nerfed the totem
theres like a green exploding totem, i think
daring marlin
They nerfed the totem AND tankbuster
I could remove the heal absorb with two wogs instead of 3
sick sentinel
i would rather see the green circle move faster and or unpredictably
undone verge
Well yeah for healing classes it’s ez, kinda ass for prot warriors
Impending victory heals like 20% of it then I just sit there and wait for the healer to heal it off
sick sentinel
impending gives you a valid reason to snag killing blow on adds
daring marlin
Well yeah for healing classes it’s ez, kinda ass for prot warriors
For sure. I think it needing that much healing was absurd. At least it doesn't have a giga DoT attached to it like some other boss!
crude notch
i would rather see the green circle move faster and or unpredictably
This is cursed
daring marlin
Agent of chaos yogi
sick sentinel
This is cursed
better than "oke guys everyone stand in the safe spot at the center of boss fight"
old sinew
They made last boss of BH too easy now
Here’s the thing… if we can easily 3 chest 17s, a 17 BH SHOULD be a cakewalk. I mean if key level went up by 3, then a 17 is a 20 and some of us were curb stomping those keys.
Like these outliers should not be a block on such ez keys
crude notch
I what
I need Sentenza and Yogi to have a full blown back and forth conversation about this for the luls
old sinew
It’s not too easy it should be easy you should dunk on that boss until your doing 22s in current 421 ilvl gear
I dunno
daring marlin
Who is easily 3 chesting 17s when pugging and which dungeon?
It certainly isn't the norm lmao
old sinew
<@223602488597544960>
It’s a 5
sick sentinel
okay, and when i get to a 15, i'll see how bad it is
ocean yoke
5s are actually mathematically impossible
lime flint
Question regarding crafted gear, I'm trying to do a little bit of catch-up and was thinking about doing some crafted gear for chest, wrist, hands, back and belt, is it worth it? Also which pieces would be?
proper roost
yeah automatic brick key gg
toxic pewter
is shadowflame embellishment on shield a bad idea
daring marlin
So you 3 chest a single Uldaman 17 and that automatically means some of these keys are too ez
old sinew
is shadowflame embellishment on shield a bad idea
No it’s a good idea imo
daring marlin
duly noted sentenza
daring marlin
😉
sick sentinel
i have to go buy a cable and paper for my printer later, its related to that im going to print of reflect list
thats wqhy i didnt push the key yet
edgy rampart
Quick question, which tier pieces does prot target? I think im overlookin where it could be it.
hardy snow
No it’s a good idea imo
its bad idea if you raid mythic and going to kill 8th boss, as he drops shield higher ilvl than crafted one
daring marlin
i have to go buy a cable and paper for my printer later, its related to that im ...
old sinew
Don’t trust RIO - 2 things a) they’re not showing your actual top runs and B) they’re retroactively imposing the new timers on your finished keys
See : my 17+++ UR shows as 17++ and not visible in overlay (showing a timed 15 not my 17+++)
daring marlin
That's weird
old sinew
🤷♂️
daring marlin
I was just ribbing you ilu bro
crude notch
what is going on
old sinew
what is going on
Rio buggy.
crude notch
They're retroactively imposing the new timers because that's the right thing to do
It's not buggy.
old sinew
At the end of the day it spit out a 20 🤷♂️
crude notch
cool
old sinew
crude notch
That does mean rio is bugged
doesn't*
You also lost score in game because of the timers as well.
old sinew
Regardless this shit is a huge tangent. My pointwas that 17s are easy, saying that BH is too easy because you can finish a 17 with melee dps because of the boss nerf is a pepegus take
Boss was absurd
Nerf was justified
crude notch
- I didn't say the nerf wasn't justified
- Why are you fixated on this +17 breakpoint.
- WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS AT ALL.
daring marlin
Yes, I agree. HoI is gonna be a menace on Fort.
crude notch
I'm so excited to watch people just melt next week to some trash mechanics that they've been eating all week.
daring marlin
or avoiding by nuking the trash
The trash leading up to third boss in HoI fucking HURTS
old sinew
I'm so excited to watch people just melt next week to some trash mechanics that ...
Oily Blade 😱😱😱
crude notch
Minister of Air is gonna eat people asses next week
if they don't do the mechanic right
old sinew
Minister of Air is gonna eat people asses next week
It already does? I’m more scared of those drakes since the healing well doesn’t scale with key
crude notch
It already does? I’m more scared of those drakes since the healing well doesn’t ...
Yes it already does, that's kinda my point
old sinew
Cloud Prince?
old sinew
Yes it already does, that's kinda my point
What’s the diff between instant death and instant death? Should be more scared of non-deadly mechanics suddenly becoming deadly
crude notch
Man would you just stfu
Holy shit
Just because I said BH is too easy now you're gonna fixate and argue with me about anything
sick sentinel
next week, fort, VP, the healing dragon mini boss
will be extreme gross i predict
if it somehow fucks up, i can see group going south on him
crude notch
timereavers in Uld are gonna be fun too
daring marlin
Hmmm. 2k requires all 19 with two timed 20s.
sick sentinel
damn
old sinew
Man would you just stfu
🤨
daring marlin
Without next week included, obviously.
old sinew
next week, fort, VP, the healing dragon mini boss
That’s what I said
crude notch
nvm it's not just me
old sinew
🤷♂️
crude notch
Bosses are gonna be piss easy next week
daring marlin
nvm it's not just me
crude notch
bromach getting trash pulled with him, then i'm just running from bromach to snackboi.
foggy lynx
do we know if its worth break 4 set of t29 for higher ilvl gear
sick sentinel
Bosses are gonna be piss easy next week
i mean, you literal just described fort week
crude notch
do we know if its worth break 4 set of t29 for higher ilvl gear
pins
crude notch
i mean, you literal just described fort week
I meant more from a perspective of some of these bosses are just nuts because of tyrannical and they should've waited for at least one full rotation of both affixes to make changes.
daring marlin
They should buff Neltharus final boss hp pool
crude notch
Oh I had the pleasure of doing and BH without soothe. Warscourges kinda cringe.
old sinew
i mean, you literal just described fort week
See yogi knows some things
Legit trying to think of any hard bosses during fort last season
toxic pewter
need mah forgestorm 😦
old sinew
need mah forgestorm 😦
When you get it from a 16 instead of a 17 😱😱😱😱😱
toxic pewter
😮
old sinew
Sure
Just in the short term I don’t have it literally in my bag
Beer + grinding currency earlier
🤷♂️
lime flint
Question regarding crafted gear, I'm trying to do a little bit of catch-up and w...
Can anyone answer?
daring marlin
I'm just still geeked that I got it
old sinew
It seems good
daring marlin
You can craft 408 gear for next to nothing
crude notch
If you're sub 408 in any slot use whelplings ye
lime flint
How much catchup is catchup?
Ilvl average is 400. All those items listed at 392
crude notch
Then yeah use whelplings to craft them to 408.
lime flint
Then yeah use whelplings to craft them to 408.
Thanks!
surreal ginkgo
Hello friends, a question, which item should I craft first 447, I am a tank warrior, thanks
daring marlin
@crude notch Tank my Warrior's 13 UR
daring marlin
fuckin' gottem
sick sentinel
imagine sharing accou nts
imagine getting permabanned in an online game
i wouldn't know
sick sentinel
granite pond
This is where I shine because I barely know how to use MDT so it doesn’t matter if it’s not updated #4dchess
fresh igloo
it's a good time to grab suggested routes and just ... try shit.
"they said to go this way, but what about this over here"
old sinew
Dratnos routes are sus never trust try things for yourself
granite pond
Plus there are always packs that you end up pulling in pugs because reasons so you might as well add them in
toxic pewter
GOT FORGESTORM
toxic pewter
MAUAHAHAHAHAHA
modern brook
Are you doing left or right post first boss gilf
granite pond
Right
crude notch
I love how people immediately assumed I wanted MDT to copy other people's routes, I want MDT to map out my route.
granite pond
You can do that now though? It might be missing a bit of stuff but it’s fine
toxic pewter
do i upgrade forgestorm to 441 or wiat for vault lol
knowing my luck the vaul gonna give me better 1
modern brook
do i upgrade forgestorm to 441 or wiat for vault lol
Forgesword is a safe upgrade but the pragmatic thing to do is to wait
crude notch
You can do that now though? It might be missing a bit of stuff but it’s fine
Some are missing multiple mobs, other have mobs that were removed, some have the wrong count for mobs because they changed the counts on some things day one, so no you can't do it for every dungeon.
Upgrade so you can guarantee yourself one in your vault. Ezpz
granite pond
Upgrade it imo. Worst case is you get a better one and that’s worth the crest cost. And if you don’t get it you have a 441 🙂
dusky canopy
do i upgrade forgestorm to 441 or wiat for vault lol
Most efficient thing to do is wait until you get a hero track version of it
toxic pewter
ya i got it on hero track
dusky canopy
But you could get gains now short time by spending crests
toxic pewter
i got it in a 17
dusky canopy
Oh bro then full send
granite pond
Flavor pocket should be on shield because that’s the closest to a plate to eat on. Science.
dusky canopy
I put shadow flame on my shield
modern brook
Flavor pocket should be on shield because that’s the closest to a plate to eat o...
Smh this guy really out here forgetting we have hands
granite pond
Pocket? Feast drop or AH
nocturne spindle
you guys dont wrap your food up in your cloak?
toxic pewter
no i mean how to get it on my gear again easily
modern brook
Shadow flame on shield to keep dinner warm, pack on gloves cause u est with your hands
dusky canopy
@modern brook 
modern brook
It's that simple
dusky canopy
How do you do today
modern brook
Caged
dusky canopy
In neltharius?
modern brook
dusky canopy
Same
dusky canopy
Shadow flame on shield to keep dinner warm, pack on gloves cause u est with your...
A logical gamer
Mmmmm
dusky canopy
My pocket is on wep too not sure where I’ll put it
crude notch
Just get Forgestorm on first key, duh.
dusky canopy
Probably crafted wrist or something
I know right! I’m not touching neltharius on anything lower than 17
Won’t torcher myself that way
daring marlin
I'm still torn on what to craft tbh
granite pond
Pocket should be stackable on other embellish
toxic pewter
i want to put the new enchant on my forgestorm but i also dont want to spend 70k for it lol
dusky canopy
Yeah not worth imo
toxic pewter
sophic devotion it is
dusky canopy
A whole ass 70k
granite pond
Didn’t frozen dev sim better than shadow on weapon for m+
fresh igloo
Pocket should be stackable on other embellish
not on the same slot
modern brook
Pocket should be stackable on other embellish
Is packet still like 50k higher than it should be?
granite pond
not on the same slot
I know I’m saying I wish it were
toxic pewter
apparently shadowflame is best for single target dam
modern brook
I bought 100 food for like 6 gold at start of season 1 and still haven't ran out of them
granite pond
But greedy is fun
modern brook
Packet stays the biggest scam
granite pond
It’s not exactly hard to have a bunch just from doing feast
crude notch
Packet is for M+ players that 100 food would last a week for anyone that grinds keys.
granite pond
And it’s a nice quality of life boon
crude notch
just don't play the game and you'll never need food 4head
granite pond
New evoker spec - passive where when they eat it spreads to all
modern brook
severe swallow
what flask do we use
sick sentinel
Anywhere i can find a list over items worth farming in m+?
Just regarding loot spec etc
brisk vector
is the new shield shadow impact buckler good for us?
hybrid cobalt
Shard of Rokmora any good?
old sinew
No
strong forum
pins
ashen coral
I have just learnt that revenge's hitbox is in front of us and not around us... it could explain a lot of my threat issues...
dusky canopy
Idk about you but my revenge comes out the back
strong forum
stinky revenge
ashen coral
Idk about you but my revenge comes out the back
I think it is a great range but you can't hit foe which are behind you
And the description of the move does confirm that
dusky canopy
But yeah for real though it’s roughly like a 180 degree cone in front of you hard to miss if you’re facing the pack
patent gorge
First Craft , Generally Shield / weapon per say?
ashen coral
But yeah for real though it’s roughly like a 180 degree cone in front of you har...
Yeah hard to miss unless you doesn't know you have to face the pack x)
I don't have aggro issue anymore (at least for now) it's so satisfying
old sinew
I mean we are p war you need to face trash to block it.
Or else you get globaled by 2 cloud soldiers smacking your bs k 8 times in 1 gcd which never happened to me
ashen coral
I mean we are p war you need to face trash to block it.
Yes but for the start or when I try to do big pull I could use revenge while the foe is following me in the back
old sinew
Strafe
The big issue with revenge is some of these hit boxes allow you to auto attack the target but not hit with revenge 😱
ashen coral
Really ? How does it work exactly then ?
strong forum
The big issue with revenge is some of these hit boxes allow you to auto attack t...
you mean the other way around
they made it so revenge is almost 180 degrees in DF
any way longer than AA range
ashen coral
any way longer than AA range
Oh yeah now I understand
hardy snow
any way longer than AA range
Unless you fight worm in SBG where sometimes you AA and SS him with no issue, but revenge and TC doesnt hit him 
old sinew
you mean the other way around
No I don’t mean the other way. See: worm boss in Smbg
old sinew
Unless you fight worm in SBG where sometimes you AA and SS him with no issue, bu...
This.
sick sentinel
Unless you fight worm in SBG where sometimes you AA and SS him with no issue, bu...
only way worm SBG kills you is if you get x2/x3 tapped by body slam
daring marlin
outlier
strong forum
its literaly the 1 case
heady coyote
anyone tell me what the best imbellishmented gear is for prot now ? 😄
sick sentinel
i been kiled like, 3 or 4 times to double tap body slam then i leanred
cloud umbra
strong forum
FAQ
hardy snow
I had some issues on sennarth, where I was hitting her with all skills, but wasnt blocking her attacks (during climbing) cause she was actually behind me
sick sentinel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072642537363345500/1106636202607661267/c...
? im not sure whats going on there.
hardy snow
Easy to learn movement of course, but still
cloud umbra
? im not sure whats going on there.
After that cast you are supposed to see hands and get a chance to move out. But it’s instantly killing instead
sick sentinel
buy a better grapics card so you can see the hands Kappa
cloud umbra
Lmao
sick sentinel
that seems awful that its like that
cloud umbra
It’s burning both rezzes on that fight
hardy snow
After that cast you are supposed to see hands and get a chance to move out. But ...
I was doing NL only once but nobody in party had such issue
cloud umbra
It’s hard to notice tbh. I had to watch the vod to make sure ppl weren’t bsing about it lol
toxic pewter
Nom that pin you had about embellishments and items etc is not pinned anymore is that on purpose
old sinew
its literaly the 1 case
🤷♂️
daring marlin
Speaking of bugs
Fuckin' whack. Hope it doesn't happen to me tonight!
daring marlin
Nom that pin you had about embellishments and items etc is not pinned anymore is...
Direct people to the FAQ instead.
It's in there.
unkempt fox
Why boots/belt/wrist for shadowflame if u can just do it in shield?
strong forum
for those that clear mythic, you dont want to craft it on shield
old sinew
There might be a shield from raid
I would say not applicable unless you plan on farming the raid on mythic
Shield is big value early on
brave jungle
How long do we expect that the primordial finger is going to be viable for?
dusky canopy
I agree,
shield+shadowflame makes a lot of sense for most prot mains that don’t mythic raid or won’t even have a chance at the 450 shield until towards the end of the tier.
However if you like to multi spec war then putting it on an off piece as suggested also can make sense because obviously you wouldn’t use the shield in off spec.
Kinda gotta use some of your own common sense to determine what’s best for your situation
dusky canopy
How long do we expect that the primordial finger is going to be viable for?
In ST this whole tier
dusky canopy
I will probably run it on tyrannical weeks for a while yeah
Stats are technically better in aoe though
I’m assuming the same stipulations apply this season, if you’re not consistently doing “top tier” dps then the ring is an upgrade
This is because you wouldn’t be able to get optimal value from the stats otherwise
Ultimately sim it against whatever rings you get
Use your best judgment or post the sim here and ask
old sinew
Just use the ring because early on you will make mistakes more often and have to divert resources to defense more often and therefore a proc will get more value than stats. Imo
dusky canopy
Well tbf
Stats are better defensively
The ring is only for padding
But yes I agree
Chances are the ring will give you the most value
Unless you’re one of the 40 people who can play better with a stats ring lol
old sinew
I’m not saying you need stats to live
I’m saying if you misplay then ring does a larger % of overall
chilly brook
dusky canopy
median tulip
this any good?
No Pri
dusky canopy
It is good defensively if you need it yes
sick sentinel
Yea i mean doing 17s is getting scary at times, but mostly on bleed packs
dusky canopy
It’s essentially another button at your disposal to live a tank buster
sick sentinel
yea was thinking using it for raid tanking but i also lose like 500 mainstat and crit
dusky canopy
Reading trinkets like that make me miss aegis
Such a good trinket
It basically comes down to “will you die if you don’t run this trinket” if the answer is no then I’d stick to damage
Damage is king
strong forum
this any good?
its the best defensive trinket you can get ye
even better than tree mouths
toxic pewter
interesting
strong forum
only upside of tree is that its mainstat instead of vers
toxic pewter
so if we dont plan to do mythic raid, shadowflame on shield is Ok right
crap but that would suck if i go arms now that i think of it
young rampart
any advice on tanking bromach (new uldaman) i was doing +15 on 415il and its really hard for group and for me to survive. Do you have any specific tactics for this boss?
toxic pewter
Ive noticed having a group member kick the caster mob that spawns helps so much
then can heroic throw the others to get aggro and stuff
like a ranged kick for the caster trogg
old sinew
nova egret
i have a question - how do you maximise damage of thunderous roar in m+ pulls? as in: stack it with demo shout&booming voice of course, but:
- do you revenge first? (10.0 setbonus)
- do you (e.g. with trinkets) stack main stat? any secondary stat?
- ???
i seem to get anything between 6.9k until 11k per tick quite randomly...
left basalt
Do any of the M+ trinkets sim higher than 415 whetstone/big toe yet?
I haven't been able to find anything that will actually replace those two and it feels bad.
old sinew
I don’t know about simmed but 437 heart of thunder does about as much damage as a 421 whetstone. 🤷♂️
In keys
Based on my personal experience wearing both in half a dozen keys
🤷♂️
I replaced my blazebinders
left basalt
I don’t know about simmed but 437 heart of thunder does about as much damage as ...
Who dropped the heart of thunder?
old sinew
Who dropped the heart of thunder?
VP
left basalt
TYVM, it feels bad not hunting stuff, I don't raid so half the content isn't really available.
old sinew
Whetstone is cracked but 441 or a 447 heart should be beating whetstone for sure
Also versa is marginally better than mastery
So the gap is probably slightly larger than I think it is
daring marlin
Anyone do any 19-20 VPs post nerf?
limpid estuary
I think the last boss is the worst part of that dungeon and he didn’t get nerfed right?
old sinew
Sucks that every trinket from m+ is so shit
I’m taking massive amounts of copium that mega dungeon trinkets will be upgradable to 441 and will be competitive with raid trinkets
But yes trinkets from dungeons are ass this tier
outer solstice
is ashkandur rppm or does it trigger from all autos at random?
daring marlin
I’m taking massive amounts of copium that mega dungeon trinkets will be upgradab...
Pass that copium because yep
It's a timey wimey dungeon tho so surely good haste trinkets, right? RIGHT???
earnest canyon
Hi everyone
Why dont we wont to craft 447 weapon with spark? (just read the latest pin)
old sinew
Hi everyone
Why dont we wont to craft 447 weapon with spark? (just read the late...
Because you want to get your embellishments
And also you want to use a 447 forgestorm if possible
earnest canyon
And also you want to use a 447 forgestorm if possible
thanks ❤️
cunning knot
IS beacon of the beyond amplified by anything?
left basalt
415 whetstone/bigtoe still sim higher for me in 3boss cleave than 437 heart, i dont have access to last tier of m+ "yet"
drowsy panther
Because you want to get your embellishments
Why delay embellishment for 6 weeks rather then just craft it on shield to have it now then recraft later once you get your spark for boots/belt
old sinew
not sure what you're saying
cinder storm
Hey fellow kids, I'm thinking of coming back, are dungeons fun?
rancid ember
M+ 🚮
Jk more friendly than ever if that's what you're into. Still some balancing going on cause new patch and all
No seasonal affix, and you don't even get the 3rd affix until a 14 key now 
toxic pewter
only raid in the world with 3 rogues and they won 4 tier pieces
earnest canyon
one more question
why dont we wont the shadow patch embelishment on shield? why only wrists/feet/belt (still regarding the pin)
strong forum
cuz i ran out of letters for FAQ
earnest canyon
So shield is just as valid then?
strong forum
yes
earnest canyon
thank you ❤️
toxic pewter
do you dps at all
thats main downside for me, i sometimes play arms and will be down an embellishment
weak spade
hey guys what do you think is the best embelishment
for raiding and m+ combined since i want to do both
mental ermine
shadowflame + frostfire belt
weak spade
i have the eranog ring also so which one would you advise i craft first
mental ermine
frostfire belt
chrome falcon
looking at purely ST damage, is forgestorm better than higher ilvl?
i was looking at a mythic log of the first boss and it was like 9% of r1's damage
which feels, like, insane, but i guess it's also a lot of str to lose
modern brook
looking at purely ST damage, is forgestorm better than higher ilvl?
I know u know yhe answer is sim uo self so ima cut you some slack and say "forgesword is good and worth farming"
weak spade
and do you guys think the Primordial ring is worth it for st ?
i am checking the logs and it seems it does crazy damage
sick sentinel
whats the fastest way yall have found to get the weekly rep quest done
nocturne spindle
do the main story and stock up on those 2500 rep items they give like 4
left cave
can i grind onyx ring alot or is there a cap?