sure
#protection
fresh igloo
toxic gyro
Skill 
daring marlin
@crude notch I got a 2H.
I'll let you know if I get a shield and can upgrade it cheaper
toxic gyro
I got 3 items from 3 dungeons yesterday. Last 2 were weapon and shield
Now I have to spam lower keys for pleb crests
lusty grotto
there's also a list pinned
rancid ember
bitch does literally nothing
shh keep this a secret 🤫
lusty grotto
i can
chilly brook
lusty grotto
yeah
chilly brook
Sounds kinda sick
chilly brook
Very happy with devoker atm but this is far more preferable to me than offspecing prevoker
rancid ember
Found the bard enjoyer 
crude notch
I'll let you know if I get a shield and can upgrade it cheaper
bless
lusty grotto
Found the bard enjoyer <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
if only they could kite whole instances
to be fair
xiv also does support classes fairly well
so its not like something that has been abandoned
from the everquest/daoc days
chilly brook
Found the bard enjoyer <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
I mean I don’t foresee me maining it but I could if it’s fun enough
Also if the damage I help provide is counted as my damage
chilly brook
xiv also does support classes fairly well
Rift also had some really cool support classes
Unfortunately Trion ran that game into the ground
crude notch
FF14 logs i believe have the damage count towards your damage.
lusty grotto
yeah like bull said
that's being worked into
as per the article
so info will be included in the combat log, which will be totally logable
dry spear
ok. then i stick to grapnel and spiteful
crude notch
Eruption gonna have some dumb levels of AoE scaling bet.
fluid beacon
Do we have a list of craftable items somewhere? Wanna start crafting
chilly brook
Eruption gonna have some dumb levels of AoE scaling bet.
Best part is the replacement for deep breath putting a debuff on the enemies storing a portion of everyone’s damage to pop again later
Can’t wait for the giga cracked pulls around that
strong forum
Do we have a list of craftable items somewhere? Wanna start crafting
shield
rest is FFA honestly
if youre not gonna kill last 2 on mythic just slap shadowflame on your shield
and then you can craft neck, belt, boots however you like
long stone
what can we do against void slash to migrate the dmg?
strong forum
sarketh?
long stone
y
strong forum
spellblock, spell reflect, ignore pain, demo shout, shieldwall
lusty grotto
spellblock
strong forum
spellblock is absolutely OP on sarketh
literally makes pwar 2nd best tank for him imo
spellblock and ignore pain tbh
long stone
when should i use it - before slash ?
strong forum
During it
You can block the dots, so just make sure to either send it 0.1sec before voidslash hits you
Or so that you get full duration of Spellblock for the debuff
crude notch
you can block the dots!?!?!?!?!!
strong forum
yes
crude notch
So then it's what pally warrior 1/2
strong forum
in a perfect world where you dont need monk buff
yes
if you couldnt block the dots pwar would be worse than BDK
but because you can, pwar is the 2nd best to reduce raid dmg intake
cuz ignore pain and spellblock
long stone
dont quite udnerstadn
strong forum
what dont you understand
toxic pewter
Damn spell block makes sense I can’t believe I’ve been wiping all day without it lmao
Everything goes to shit in phase 3
toxic pewter
Dang
strong forum
toxic pewter
What are we supposed to be doing phase 3 anyway. Basically just don’t face him to raid
lusty grotto
move him away from shit also so people dont hurr durr and get stacks
or into bombs
and/or dont cleave dumb dps
toxic pewter
The bomb situation seems hard for people to do
strong forum
you can even block the oblivion dot
lusty grotto
whats harder is dps getting fucking void slashed like idiots
you have to baby sit positioning
its gross
(in pugs)
fluid beacon
and then you can craft neck, belt, boots however you like
thanks homie. i was thinking shield too since i have a decent 1 hander already
toxic pewter
How close to the pillars should he be I know it sounds weird but someone said I was too far from the pillars
Or the asteroids aka rocks
lusty grotto
a bit farther
strong forum
jsut tank him in the middle
lusty grotto
not next to them
toxic pewter
Ok
lusty grotto
cause they pulse
but also not in africa
cause people need to run to them for winds
long stone
i dont quite understand when i should block - right before hes doing it , or while i have the dot ?
lusty grotto
bro
lusty grotto
do you know how spell block works?
press it, then make sure shield block is up
read the talent/ability
strong forum
i dont quite understand when i should block - right before hes doing it , or whi...
both works.
toxic pewter
Lol damn really it’s repetitive but I found it fun
toxic pewter
Yah nelth is a cool fight
astral crystal
sark sucks ass
strong forum
p1 and p2 are sleepmode
and p3 is DDR
dmg intake goes from 0 to 300
very cringe
chilly brook
rest kinda isnt
I’ve enjoyed every fight except for SLG 2.0
astral crystal
yep
lusty grotto
rashok 😢
chilly brook
slg 2.0 is?
The add fight
strong forum
slg 2.0 was immunity dogshit waiting orb transferring soak cringe
but i guess you cant compare mythic slg vs non mythic zaq
strong forum
annoying
cuz of tank combo and running after boss
but having to afk a bit to reposition
lusty grotto
yeah i dont doubt it is
but you do have special people just running into it
lkol
yup
well i was talking pug wise
strong forum
with the few pulls i did with pugs
lusty grotto
which is why i mentioned babysit positioning
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
too easy really
livid dawn
Are y'all constantly changing loot spec depending on dungeon for trinkets and weapons and whatnot?
strong forum
yes
livid dawn
Is there a cheat sheet somewhere or should I make one myself
granite pond
Honestly it’s prot spec for Forgestorm and pretty much arms for everything else, no?
strong forum
not rly
you wanna avoid some tank trinkets
turns out however that the ones from NL are decent
granite pond
Ahh
runic hatch
Damn did a Brackenhide, last boss really fucked me up. Is spellblock mandatory on it?
hushed cobalt
any benefit to going 2p + 2p, or stick to t29 4p til you can full swap to t30?
left cave
how the hell to get to these far as f dungeons faster?
Uldaman Legacy of Tyr takes ages to fly to
scenic mural
Theres a portal
left cave
where?
scenic mural
In valdrakken
left cave
uh
wow..
where is at?
ty
why nhot just put them all ogehtrer?
together*
so weird
daring marlin
I live in Neltharus at this point
scenic mural
anyone know why i cant open weakauras on only one of my characters? when i type /wa it toggles my wa's off or "pauses" them. when i left click on the minimap button it functions as if i pressed Shift+left click and pauses them. only happens on one character
left cave
lmao
limpid anchor
Time to reinstall windows
daring marlin
What Legion dungeon?
left cave
so theres only 4 portals?
acoustic oasis
There is no legion dungeon.
left cave
Neltharion’s Lair (Legion)
daring marlin
Never heard of her
left cave
yes
there is
is there a portal to get to Neltharion’s Lair (Legion)?
or have to get to azuna and fly across the world
acoustic oasis
I didn't head butt that for 70 minutes last night, no sir.
acoustic oasis
Get to azusa or get a dalaran hearthstone
shrewd cedar
makes molten shield , gets exp kitewing with speed on it 1 day later >.<
balmy briar
anyone know if that new craftable shield is worth it?
elfin atlas
Question for y'all. Would you upgrade the Experiment 1, Kitewing shield to 437 or craft the primal molten defender and upgrade it to 437?
elfin atlas
ok. thanks and put the shadowflame patch on it when i can i assume
strong forum
anyone know if that new craftable shield is worth it?
The new shield proc is only 350 dps, which is almost 500% less than other embellishments
elfin atlas
thanks Nom
dusky canopy
daring marlin
GOOD
fresh igloo
was waiting to hear that one.
crude notch
What do people want nerfed on that? Totem health?
ionic isle
Are there some wa for spell reflect this season (m+)?
crude notch
All restrictions for unlocking Allied Races have been removed, with the exception of a level requirement.
dreamy grail
curious if you guys crafted and if so which gear?
daring marlin
time to try an 18 NL
vocal nimbus
anvil any good?
vocal nimbus
icon + anvil or whetstone + anivl?
strong forum
Crafted hear is just shield > ilvl upgrades
strong forum
icon + anvil or whetstone + anivl?
Whetstone + anvil
atomic inlet
do we have new spell reflect wa?
proud patrol
I think that the current one has been updated for quite a few casts already
glacial skiff
Who does prot warrior guides besides llarold?
strong forum
Mwahi on icyveins
glacial skiff
Is llarold even part of this discord?
strong forum
He's here, just not very active
hot crest
hey have any of you prots done zskarn heroic ?
glacial skiff
So I did the math recently for fueled by violence and brutal vitality and they’re somewhat close for me in an M+ run, though fueled is slightly ahead. Wouldn’t you want to run brutal vitality over fueled since absorbed damage>healed damage and since the value is only likely better on mass multitarget?
strong forum
With the brv bug existing and IP having a cap aswell as you spamming IP in aoe
Both scale the same into aoe
So that point is moot
livid dawn
What if I didn't get my whetstone s1. Am I just screwed?
livid dawn
Oh. Did I misread the message
strong forum
Anvil, grapnel, beacon and Mark of dargrul are all better
glacial skiff
But BRV is definitely better in single target right?
livid dawn
I thought I saw whetstone anvil
hot crest
if anyone has done Zskarn heroic , ping me plz i have some questions haha
strong forum
But BRV is definitely better in single target right?
Not rly no
Both are the same
They're inconsequential
glacial skiff
Ok but the trickle healing is not as good as absorbs are they not? Like one I control vs the other just existing
strong forum
Both just exist
BrV is 15% conditional absorb leech vs fbv being roughly 4% real leech
Fbv with full value is 2k hps
BrV can just stop working cuz bug
And 0 value when IP full
warm plinth
:pepehands
strong forum
They're both inconsequential it's super hard to quantify
And rather irrelevant
Both will work just fine
strong forum
Yes
fluid beacon
Haste vers
strong forum
Or haste crit
warm plinth
@strong forum hey you're cute
strong forum
Thx u 2
fluid beacon
Thanks
daring marlin
welp
post nerf
almost 2 chested NL
but wiped to dargrul cuz he's still a bitch
warm plinth
They are approximately equal, but obviously depends on your current stats too
warm plinth
but wiped to dargrul cuz he's still a bitch
I'm surprised they didn't nerf the damage when the add moves. I thought that was the big culprit on that boss
daring marlin
I'm surprised they didn't nerf the damage when the add moves. I thought that wa...
It really is man lol
That 18 Dargrul fuckin' HURT
and his tankbuster S L A P S
strong forum
Why is there an "or" there
Crit is more dmg, parry provides a significant amount of dmg reduction in a key
Vers is a safe Allrounder but less dmg and very inconsequential until you can literal tons of it
dusky canopy
I'm surprised they didn't nerf the damage when the add moves. I thought that wa...
We just had everyone stand in melee behind the boss to bait the add and then insta stunned it
warm plinth
Hard boss amirite
dusky canopy
It felt pretty irrelevant honestly
daring marlin
I'm tanking on my Paladin so I have no idea.
warm plinth
Yeah that was the high key strat in Legion as well
daring marlin
quartz fern
I'm surprised they didn't nerf the first or second boss either
They were still pretty nasty
warm plinth
Mm, people make the first and second boss hard though
quartz fern
The second boss magic cast thing is like way too fast lmao
livid dawn
So crit would've been better for bosses like kokia bloodhoof where a parry can save you a ton of hp
warm plinth
You got the jokers who can't follow the statue, the people who can't move out of the hands
strong forum
Yes
daring marlin
the og grabby hands
warm plinth
Yeah sunder you have to kinda press it when the timer is about up and hope
supple jay
Hey boys what to craft first for m+ pushing? shield? waist?
warm plinth
Because his spell queueing can fuck it
livid dawn
I think they said shield then ilvl upgrades
dusky canopy
That’s probably hidden aura now right
warm plinth
Yeah would've made it at least 1.5
warm plinth
That’s probably hidden aura now right
I would imagine but who knows; might have overlooked it
supple jay
and better is shield with versa or with immolation?
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I was saying, but it's not always consistent sadly
lusty grotto
if not on cd, press SR and hope
warm plinth
and better is shield with versa or with immolation?
immolation?
quartz fern
Yeah it's just odd they didn't change that when they changed Dargul's cast
quartz fern
Like if they're trying to make things more consistent they should 100% change it imo
quartz fern
Not enough people complaining I guess <:keks:936231610850897992>
Cause they play Prot Paladin and don't think about it
warm plinth
When do we get Cathedral M+ so I can get those spicy chaotic energies reflects again
lusty grotto
by far yea
supple jay
Yeah it's just odd they didn't change that when they changed Dargul's cast
Shield of the heart or shadowed impact Buckler?
warm plinth
Neither
daring marlin
Not too many kicks required in there either
warm plinth
Primal Molten Defender
quartz fern
I want Conductive Strike back already 
warm plinth
You guys wanna know the biggest meme of 10.1.5
warm plinth
Three specs are getting reworks. And none of them are VDH
quartz fern
They decided to make Meta 4m base and make every DH spend a point on making it 3m again
DH's just get 30 class talent points
warm plinth
Like, imagine having 4 talents improving your active mitigation button and it still sucks
quartz fern
Imagine being able to get Sigil of Chains ever
cloud umbra
anyone notice the boss in nelth lair is bugged? The strike of the mountain instantly killing with no visual
warm plinth
👀
vapid magnet
daring marlin
anyone notice the boss in nelth lair is bugged? The strike of the mountain insta...
idk just did it on a 18 and didn't experience that
cloud umbra
idk just did it on a 18 and didn't experience that
ya same.. it was insta killing us
toxic pewter
ya just be sure u are moving boss in right area so totem spawns well in relation to the moving circle
daring marlin
awk
quartz fern
Like, imagine having 4 talents improving your active mitigation button and it st...
Also imagine being able to get Fiery Brand stuff while making Demon Spikes less shit
I couldn't
warm plinth
yeah...
quartz fern
idk why they're so scared of letting Vengeance have 100% uptime on Demon Spikes
Like it's not even that strong of an active mit lol
sudden sable
ya just be sure u are moving boss in right area so totem spawns well in relation...
I think the question was more in relation to the heal absorb. Does SR/SB reduce absorb size?
quartz fern
Don't even get me started on Calcified Spikes....
warm plinth
Like it's not even that strong of an active mit lol
Right?
crude notch
The DH class tree is like the worst designed tree by far imo
this would like a chat
crude notch
Every Druid spec talents into at least 3 spells they'll never press while playing their spec.
fluid beacon
I have new 2 set and I wonder if I should go for bolster. I don't think it's super worth yet
crude notch
I have new 2 set and I wonder if I should go for bolster. I don't think it's sup...
Well the first pin, would disagree.
quartz fern
Def worth to go Bolster so you can run Into the Fray in M+
In raid it's prob worth as well
Better than 4p from last tier so
keen violet
Hi guys, for the M+ its haste crit now ? someone can help me please ?
thorny stone
if anyone has done Zskarn heroic , ping me plz i have some questions haha
Ask away
warm plinth
Hi guys, for the M+ its haste crit now ? someone can help me please ?
It's been haste crit since the start of the expansion
keen violet
Oh ok thanks
fluid beacon
Well the first pin, would disagree.
I thought the pin said to break immediately your old set if you get 2 set
I thought it said you go holster at 4
My bad
true coral
are you guys able to deal with shrapnel bombs as warrior on hzskarn?
hot crest
@thorny stone okay so, i was doing mechs,. and such but i was just melting, should i take less stacks of the dot ? cause i just had nothing lol
slow spire
are you guys able to deal with shrapnel bombs as warrior on hzskarn?
I did it with wall and it was fine, but definitely called for immunity classes to do it if wall wasn't up.
livid dawn
Three specs are getting reworks. And none of them are VDH <:keks:93623161085089...
Please. I'm here because I needed to escape that sinking ship. Please don't refresh my PTSD
Entirety of vdh discord was on suicide watch that night
I've been on a three week soul searching mission that led me here
modern brook
its apart of the class fantasy
how are you supposed to come back with vengeance if you were always the best?
livid dawn
Rofl
Is it part of my blood dk fantasy to be throwing up blood whenever I see them gutted?
unkempt hatch
Who all is getting spec reworks?
warm plinth
Mage, guardian, holy pal
steel fossil
so random question, If embelishment cap isnt a problem , when do you replace a 395 lariat
lusty grotto
a 395? lol
waxen cradle
Guardian was bound to happen eventually there has been a lot of griping and sooner or later it was happening so when I saw the rework word I instantly thought of them
lusty grotto
sim, but its likely very soon
urban portal
Anything would replace it lol
urban portal
Like 408 ilevel
lusty grotto
so sim it
3 gem stones + effect wont matter if it gets outdps'd by a higher ilvl neck
unkempt hatch
Mage, guardian, holy pal
I didn’t see the guardian one! That’s good tho!
silk sandal
So at this point, pre-tier. Should the plan for the shadowflame embellishment just be boots?
clear trench
spell reflect on dargrul
I just do it now, and it's great.
lusty grotto
you spell reflect on all every boss there except the first one
silk sandal
Dont want to craft it into a tier slot just yet and boots is the highest stat budget piece left
lusty grotto
Ularogg sunder = difficult reflect but worth
Naraxas toxic retch = easy spell reflect
Dagrul molten crash = easy spell reflect
all of them do damage to each boss
for reference check out the blockable / reflectable sheet by Sense in the pins
clear trench
Dagrul.the damage to reflect its too big, I just.reflect 3 and 1.5mill
lusty grotto
all of them do big damage
clear trench
for reference check out the blockable / reflectable sheet by Sense in the pins
I use the aura for that
lusty grotto
the aura is based on the sheet
clear trench
I suppose yes
clear trench
lusty grotto
hoary mason
does anyone know why the crit is better now?
warm plinth
It's not better now. It's the same as it has been all expansion.
lusty grotto
i was going for that
hoary mason
crit/haste?
mighty valley
this is progress tbh
up until recently everyone came in here saying "vers is bis, yeah?"
sick sentinel
in a way its kind of sad that we have to say to ppl ilvl first lol
its like, this is fundamental to RPG
hardy snow
in halls of infusion, last boss, its better to SR focused deluge or squall buffet?
pallid quiver
From what I've heard and feelycraft without having logged on, probably the knockback Squall so he doesn't sneak a melee on one of your DPS
undone verge
do we run onyx and erranog ring in m+?
toxic pewter
Yah I still am
lusty grotto
it goes up with forge
toxic pewter
I did a sim and it told me not to
lusty grotto
since more fire procs
undone verge
true, dont have forge yet tho
pallid quiver
do we run onyx and erranog ring in m+?
For annulet, pribably rocked all the way to top ilvl items, but at that point, it's still bis for ST so it'd depend if you want to focus on prio/ST damage or AOE I'd guess. Sims won't lead you astray once they're stavle, though
quartz mist
what gems we runnin for / or "preferred", mixed answers, just a nice cookie cutter . desirous blood / prophetic / freezing ? M+
warm plinth
Storm in M+, not freezing
sick sentinel
what dungeons are you guys considering really bad atm
proper roost
the cd on molten crash in nelths lair is so rng
its like 15-35s until he recasts
thanks brullzard
scenic mural
Are the nerfs a hotfix or do we wait til reset?
surreal thunder
Hey guys, with the Zaqali Chaos Grapnel, is there a specific way to use it?, i feel like at the end of dungeons the damage it has done it very low. I usually pop cd's +demo shout for increased damage then use it.
warm plinth
Well, using CDs and demo shout with it makes no difference
All our CDs are whitelisted. They only affect our abilities.
surreal thunder
If i use the trinket on an enemy, then charge in, does that screw the trinket over and not do its affect, or is it ok to do that
and I did not know that ty lol
warm plinth
I don't know. I have not used that one specifically
Are you looking at both sources of damage, btw?
It does two separate hits so it would show up twice on details
surreal thunder
Are you looking at both sources of damage, btw?
I def was not looking at both lmao
warm plinth
XD
warm plinth
Yeah the volcanic damage is bigger
fresh igloo
also I have not been able to replicate any issues with interrupting the trinket
saw someone mentioned it earlier so i've been trying
warm plinth
I'll interrupt your trinket, if you know what I mean
surreal thunder
ty guys, I'll be sure to look at both sources of damage now.
warm plinth
❤️
fresh igloo
just now, from max distance, pop trinket, then heroic throw, and it still pulls me to the mob
details shows the volcanic damage as well as the physical
warm plinth
That's good
unkempt rover
lusty grotto
sim
cinder monolith
Anyone found a consistent way of getting the beam on you after the knock on last boss in halls?
Without melee just running back
cinder nova
what beam
dire sparrow
tank beam after the knockback
cinder monolith
He does the knockback into the channelled beam
dire sparrow
i've had teh same issue
cinder monolith
We just have our melee either run away or stand behind a pet
For safety
But it’s like 2m damage reflect
cinder nova
What's the... spell name?
dire sparrow
Focused Deluge
cinder nova
idk just charge back in?
cinder monolith
Nop
cinder nova
Or leap the moment cast finishes
cinder monolith
Leap is rough Cus of the balls
dire sparrow
he's meant to hit his current target, but if you have melee on the boss, for 1 second he'll change during the knockback even with charge
cinder monolith
Can’t get a good leap
cinder nova
legit just leap like 2ft to the left
you don't have to go to narnia
And if there are too many orbs, move
cinder monolith
I’m not sure if you can move backward while he’s casting the knock back
So you can actually charge
cinder nova
And I know you can charge it but I have no idea if it puts you in range
cinder monolith
It ain’t consistent
sudden sable
Wait, I thought you could reflect the knock back? Should I be eating the knock and reflecting deluge?
cinder monolith
Ideally yea
On a 20 the reflect of the deluge was doing 2m damage
To boss
You can reflect both
sick sentinel
when annulet ded
sick sentinel
it hasnt been power crept by new 44x ring?
lusty grotto
sims say otherwise
sick sentinel
lame
i took the item box for 5 heroic dungeons, it gave me a ring with haste crit
curently got 418 fire absorb ring from quest
mighty valley
it's dead in aoe with high ilvl stat rings
but looking bis for single target until nerfs
sick sentinel
i think only nerfs should be ot gets so old and weak it filters itself out cuz there is new crap
maybe 11.0 its greya
plush tendon
daring marlin
that's a big warrior
warm summit
Do any of you guys know of a good way to macro Shield Charge and regular Charge into the same macro? I can't seem to have it together without using both on the same gcd. I know separate buttons are better but I'm working on a zero-modifier config
warm plinth
What is the macro you have right now
warm summit
Are you ready?
It's a mess but its my mess
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [mod:ctrl] Heroic Leap; [known: Intervene,nomod,@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene;[@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Charge
/cast [mod:ctrl] Heroic Leap; [nomod,@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Shield Charge
warm plinth
Oh dear
sudden sable
Holy shit
warm plinth
It's interesting that it's casting shield charge at the same time as Charge, because it's not supposed to be able to cast while you're already charging afaik.
warm summit
If we completely ignore the parts with cancelaura, heroic leap and intervene (which works fine) I still have the issue where I press one button, Shield Charge and one "charge" of regular Charge goes off
warm plinth
If it's casting both with it in this order, then I'm not sure what you can do to make it not do that without adding a mod to one of them.
warm summit
Just for context, I've had charge on space since TBC, I have shift+space as @-cursor Heroic Leap and use ctrl-space if I need the reticle. That's why it is in tehre
One cool thing with this is that regular charge has a minimum range, while shield charge doesn't
warm plinth
How do you jump though 👀
warm summit
So I kind of wanted this as an alternative to the more usual Charge + Victory Rush/hamstring combo
mouse wheel down
Counter Strike
warm summit
or wait, middle mouse i mean, not scroll
warm plinth
But yeah, looks like you either need to put them on separate binds or add a mod for one of them
warm summit
complete movement with mouse, means i have a free hand
yup, don't feel like using alt though so I might remove reticle-leap to free up one bind
I've also moved the entire set inwards one step since forever ago, so I use ESDF for movement instead of WASD
sudden sable
Bro your keybinds are WILD
warm plinth
warm summit
which means I have AQW for ability use as well
pulsar sedge
Just tried macroing charge and shield charge.. It does indeed let you use both at once.
warm summit
Just tried macroing charge and shield charge.. It does indeed let you use both a...
weird right?
sudden sable
Just put them separately on a hidden action bar and bind them individually
warm plinth
Huh. I could've sworn in beta they didn't let you use Shield Charge if you cast Charge first (e.g. charge first in the macro). Guess they changed it, or I'm misremembering.
warm summit
all my action bars are hidden
Yes I also remember something like that which makes me confused now
sudden sable
I don't understand prob then ig
warm plinth
The problem is that he wanted them both on one button
But without shield charge casting whenever he presses Charge
warm plinth
But yeah I think removing reticle leap is a pretty easy compromise
@ cursor does me fine
I don't even have reticle leap bound
warm summit
yes you're absolutely right
ctrl-space is super convenient as well
and fits well to have Shield Charge be a mod+regular charge bind
pulsar sedge
Only one ive ever used is
#showtooltip charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast [exists,nodead,harm] Shield Charge
It used to prio charge over shield charge.. but now does both lol
warm plinth
Okay so I'm not crazy then
warm summit
don't freak out about my binds. you guys should try moving hand one step in
pulsar sedge
Nasty
warm summit
hehe
also, index finger on F means I have the exact same posture in vim as in wow
my two favorite three-letter combinations
pulsar sedge
To each their own ;D
warm summit
Haha yes absolutely! But good to know that I've been able to share my frustration about Shield Charge + Charge macro with some of you at least. I will now simply not do it
warm plinth
don't freak out about my binds. you guys should try moving hand one step in
I don't have the dexterity in my pinky to use shit to the left of my movement keys
Or I guess you're using your ring finger?
warm summit
I feel like that's because you don't use shit to the left of your movement keys
nah pinky, but I don't regularly use A/Z
warm plinth
You use your pinky for W?
warm plinth
Oh okay
warm summit
also ring for Q
warm plinth
You're definitely not the only person who uses the ESDF movement keys though for sure
I've met a few in here
warm plinth
I just don't really need the extra buttons personally
warm summit
I started doing this because I wanted to have zero modifiers, everything one button away
warm plinth
I use a G600 which has like 15 extra buttons
And that has all my utility/defensives on it
warm summit
Yeah I did that for a while but I wanted a light mouse for CS etc
used a Naga for years, it was super nice
That's a lot nicer. Works well
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [mod,@mouseover,harm,nodead][mod]Shield Charge
/cast [known: Intervene,@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene;[@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Charge
daring marlin
enh shammy got it
wait no
monk did
rogue and enh sadge
I gotta upgrade it too
that way
I ensure I get one from my box
daring marlin
We had 6 and a half mins left
healer was dooming last boss too
me and the rogue were heroes
modern brook
lets go pog drop
daring marlin
you're drunk
dusky canopy
TWO of the boys got pogstorm in the same night
thats whats up
i wont farm mine until i can reliably run 17s haha
soon enough
warm plinth
lets go pog drop
Ey I got one of those too on my ppal
warm plinth
pogstorm did like 4.4% of my overall in the last key
I'd like to do 4.4% of your overall if you know what I mean
daring marlin
👀
dusky canopy
daring marlin
modern brook
pogstorm did like 4.4% of my overall in the last key
3.5 for me, but i also played poorly on this key
odd nimbus
3.5 for me, but i also played poorly on this key
how did blood stone proced that much?
guys do you know what should we do about embolishments?
modern brook
how did blood stone proced that much?
It's inflated cause I played like shit and my gear isn't very high to begin with
warm plinth
Where is shield slam, TC, and Revenge?
modern brook
Where is shield slam, TC, and Revenge?
All not pictured cauzw I was just trying to beat a Dead horse
I also felt it was important to realy the 90k my charge did over that key
warm plinth
Oh I see, it's scrolled down
odd nimbus
daddy has some shines but doent know what to craft for embolishments khelp pls 😄
odd nimbus
there is nothing about embolishments
modern brook
Smh nom
odd nimbus
Id suggest edging any currency till after your first vault
im not that wise,simply have to use them 😄
modern brook
brave jungle
This is bs, right? Only starting to play again since 2 months ago today
modern brook
Sub creation teirs are bases off usage data
It's had 3 days to collect data
And everyone's sucking off pally
brave jungle
That's what I thought. I was just surprised to see us the lowest still. But thanks!
modern brook
I would argue prot pal is a head above the other tanks
But the fact is not as large as sub creation would imply
It's the curse of usage based data
brave jungle
Any other more credible source?
modern brook
None that I'm aware of. You can do your own research and compare usage to completion to highest completed and extrapolate your own conclusions but honestly that's work
brave jungle
Yeah I understand. Thanks anyway!
modern brook
Long story short, don't let people use statistics they don't understand to bully you into playing things you don't want to play.
restive crown
if i upgrade a 424 piece to 437, if i get a future 428 drop, i can upgrade the 428 to 441 with just a mythic crest and flightstone right?
warm plinth
Assuming it's not a trinket or a ring, yes
With ring/trinket, it uses the lower ilevel of the two slots to base the discounts off of.
restive crown
ok thank you
sudden sable
U.gg/wow is doing wonders compared to sub creation. Actual number values instead of purely usage stats.
urban portal
im fairly sure the numbers they give out are just not right
rather its pretty misleading
sudden sable
rather its pretty misleading
I haven't looked too into it, but I believe it's showing highest logged dmg for # and tier by popularity.
south gyro
am I ever going to replace my 421 whetstone or is this thing now part of me forever?
urban portal
yeah pretty soon
warm plinth
You will replace it
urban portal
when 1400 str
warm plinth
will replace w/ 4 str 4 sta leather belt
ionic fern
Wtf is a augment evoker and where is my gladiator warrior spec.
warm plinth
Wtf is a augment evoker and where is my gladiator warrior spec.
Augment evoker is like the difficulty Blizzard has had balancing Disc priest since it started being the damage-to-heal spec but multiplied by 1000
restive crown
what's the strat for last boss in uldaman? for the puddles
limpid anchor
Semi stack and kite clockwise
warm plinth
Yerp. DPS/healer stack behind boss, move as needed for room
restive crown
ahh ok noted
glacial ridge
Quick Q, should we be using S1 talents for raid/m+ until we get 10.1 2pc? or just switch now..
warm plinth
Wait til 2pc
glacial ridge
ty ty
thorny stone
<@167012517996920832> okay so, i was doing mechs,. and such but i was just melti...
I took between 7-12 stacks before swapping, didn't had any issues
marble cipher
how do you add higher ilvl items of your bag items into raidbots again?
suppose I have the following:
# Seal of Questionable Loyalties (421)
# finger1=,id=158314,bonus_id=9323/6652/9413/9144/3291/8767
But, I wanna add the fully upgraded one to sim?
marble cipher
👌
warm plinth
how do you add higher ilvl items of your bag items into raidbots again?
suppose ...
Unless you're doing like an advanced sim or something, just click the plus sign next to the item in top gear and you can create one
marble cipher
... well I'll be damned
I'm not even gonna ask how long that has been in there yet 🤣
crude notch
first month of the expansion no biggie
dry spear
when do you tank swap at Zskarn hc? we did it at 11 stacks but it was kinda heavy. maybe 5-6 stacks?
jagged pier
well it has to be when stacks fall off
so its around 9-10
its based on the debuff timer not the stacks
gloomy plume
How much haste should i focus on before prioritizing vers/crit?
dry spear
this was was so heavy for me. i had 11 stacks and took a bomb and just died. even with a shield wall up. i was looking at an old ptr video from sense and they swapped at 6 stacks. some guides say taunt swap at few stacks as possible. do you have any pointers to survive that? sure i can take a hand of protection and take all 3 bombs. or let hunters etc soak. or would you say that 11 stacks are fine and i need to play better. this was the only fight i had big surviving problems
jagged pier
ive not done it on hc yet
but what i saw from wednesday the debuff didnt drop off until like 10 stacks on the other tank
🤷
dry spear
can i see on wowlogs the number of stacks the tanks take?
jagged pier
How much haste should i focus on before prioritizing vers/crit?
~7100 good luck getting there
dry spear
the one with the bombs and traps in the room
yes
i died and our monk tank took like 20 stacks easy
jagged pier
thats monk for u
u can try 5-6 stack but i dont think the debuff would have fallen off it looks like its been changed since the ptr
or getting extra stacks of the buff increase the duration or somthing
🤷
dry spear
does spellblock helps here in any way?
i know you can spellblock the dot? at sarkareth.
lament shell
i died and our monk tank took like 20 stacks easy
Our monk had 36 stacks before death
He transformed into dk
round socket
ya'll upgrading your shiedl with spark ye?
round socket
did you guys farm the mythic crests before upgrading shield? or just went with heroic one for spark craft?
round socket
That weapon? 😮
lament shell
Using crests on heroik items is more worth than 20s
dry spear
i have a 437 shield atm and got the raid axe hc yesterday it is 437 (can upgrate to 441) too. i got both crafted weapon and shield at 421. what should i upgrate first now? shield or weapon?
round socket
you had to finish the questline to get the free enchanted crest before killing boss ye?
huge f, not retroactive?
guesss i can rekill
ye
are we dumping flighjtstones on anything?
dry spear
seal will still be bis without the belt?
round socket
im going to farm the 4 aspects crests, 50% there, worth dumping into shield ?
limpid anchor
seal will still be bis without the belt?
Wep procs it
round socket
only got a 408 seal, how does compare?
jagged pier
only got a 408 seal, how does compare?
limpid anchor
only got a 408 seal, how does compare?
Sim it
jagged pier
i mean in general we probably should still recommend the crafted neck just due to the haste gains
yer i know
rough hazel
Is it just me or is the damage profile a ton of physical this tier (good for us)?
Looking through logs from last raid, my DK-co-tank is just taking massive damage compared to me.
limpid anchor
But he’s also massively healing compèred to you :>
At least on the first 7, it’s mainly magic damage that hurts (rashok, zkarn)
jagged pier
hes a bdk
they will always take more damage
because they heal it that is their class design
we are designed to mitigate it all
obsidian rampart
Should i break my 4p of S1 for the 2p of s2 ? 
jagged pier
yes
warm plinth
jagged pier
yer its big
did a few pugs yesterday
one with a shamman not speced into decurse
-.-
even tho the item thing is nice u could just cast it with 1-.5 secs of the cast of the shield and it will hit shield and u didnt need ot care about the swirls at all
sleek current
I did a 14 last night and it felt like the curse did nothing to be honest. The major issue for us was people not picking up the items in advance so we'd be in shield phase for far too long and people would get clapped by the fire. 😂
warm plinth
Yeah, but pug brains struggle hard
jagged pier
I did a 14 last night and it felt like the curse did nothing to be honest. The m...
try having 4 stacks
sleek current
I suppose at that point it might do something. Haha
warm plinth
Did the curse just stack up indefinitely before? Like every item you picked up would just stack another one on you?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
u can actually bug the boss if u break the shield fast enough
warm plinth
Oh?
jagged pier
the fire swirlies keep spawning till next shield
warm plinth
LOL
sleek current
New Augmentation Evoker Spec raid defensive is Rallying Cry. I guess all we're wanted for now is Battle Shout.
warm plinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2LDKjxRwg RIP one of the best bugs
warm plinth
lament shell
Ah ok cant watch video
warm plinth
In Legion, we had what were called Active Mitigation checks, which basically meant you needed to have each tank's active mitigation spell active to negate a portion of a mechanic
And Molten Crash's active mitigation check was that if you didn't have e.g. Shield Block up, the crash would do more damage and knock you super far
At some point, Blizzard bugged the boss and if you reflected it, the boss would get knocked instead.
The reason being that technically the mechanic wasn't blocked (since Spell Reflect triggers before any mitigation), so the game thought he failed the AM check and thus yeeted him
crude notch
Dargrul is such a loser failing his AM checks.
ivory elbow
worth dropping the 2 set for prot for 10 ilvl?
silk pine
oh holy shit I just realized u dont want to spell reflect the knock back in Halls Last Boss!
crude notch
nope
ivory elbow
oh holy shit I just realized u dont want to spell reflect the knock back in Hall...
why not xd
ivory elbow
yes but that goes to my healer
silk pine
2mil damage on 1 cast at 18
silk pine
normally it wont becouse it goes on u if you stick to boss really close after knock back
atleast I had that always never saw that going on someone else.
It also says ur current Target. If u are not in meele range u are not the target.
warm plinth
You can force it on you I believe if you taunt right at the end of the knock cast
Like right before the knock happens
cinder nova
Uh... can you avoid Falling Debris on Ularogg?
proper roost
focused deluge always goes on you if you spell reflect the squall
if it didnt then you prob walked out of his melee range
and yeah you kinda do want it on you because you have cds, how tf u think a healer will live 2m damage over you
amber siren
Just heal it
warm plinth
Uh... can you avoid Falling Debris on Ularogg?
It's meant to be an incentive to find the correct idol/kill the idols quickly. It will fall the entire time any totems are out.
cinder nova
Practically one shotting the party.
remote venture
Are Brackenhide Hollow one of the hardet duengons for Warrior Proc? The last boss was very hard with Decaystrike before the nerf. Maybe better after the nerfs?
crude notch
Love that brew has to turn it's back to the boss on that fight
ionic fern
Why?
ivory elbow
Are Brackenhide Hollow one of the hardet duengons for Warrior Proc? The last bos...
just did 18 was fine with refl and wall
jagged pier
the dungeon has been nerfed now dont forget
crude notch
I dodged 7 straight Autos earlier and the boss sat at 5 stacks for 30 seconds, goodtimes.
Although they've changed Decaying Strength buff so
remote venture
Did you block it?
With Shield Block or what you mean?
ivory elbow
With Shield Block or what you mean?
hahaha he is messing with u
warm plinth
He is not messing with him
crude notch
Decaystrike is physical so, no.
warm plinth
Decaystrike is blockable.
crude notch
He's not messing with him
remote venture
I have SB up but the debuff was on me. But yeah, it's nerf now so I can take it next time :)
spice totem
Any prot bis list or something? Got thrown back into tank prison instead of fury cranking sadge
latent jungle
Dumb question, would you break 4 set for ilvl upgrade, I've never thought much of the 4 set, I've simmed and it's a small upgrade but not sure if it balances out with loosing the 4 set from voti
strong forum
How much ilvl
How many items
If its just 1 item, no matter how many ilvl it's not worth
If its 2 items with 15+ ilvl, yeah then it's aight unless you push big keys
hardy snow
breaking old 4p for just 3ilvl upgrade on just legs sims on me for more dps, so its worth 
latent jungle
OK thanks, it's small ill upgrade in 1 slot, 421 to 424 I think it was
latent jungle
breaking old 4p for just 3ilvl upgrade on just legs sims on me for more dps, so ...
Yeah that's what I simmed aswell but for a helm
delicate flame
which item are u guys using ur Spark of Shadowflame on?
strong forum
Shield
delicate flame
its that the prefered option or just in ur case?
cinder nova
It's the smart option.
strong forum
everybodies case
cinder nova
Nom what about tank DPS tho
delicate flame
ait ty
cinder nova
but that's later
jagged pier
u but shadowflame on shield anyway
strong forum
no
cinder nova
I want big ilvl weppy now
jagged pier
no thats now
strong forum
forgestorm is more dmg even now
strong forum
even a 424 forgestorm beats almost every weapon
jagged pier
^
cinder nova
damn
limpid anchor
u but shadowflame on shield anyway
Does that work? I couldn’t select that for the shield when I checked
strong forum
pretty sure you can craft flamepatch on every armor item
shield is classified as armor
jagged pier
^
dusty basin
even a 424 forgestorm beats almost every weapon
Last time I checked forgestorm only Beat same ilvl weps. Was the sim bugged?
limpid anchor
Last time I checked forgestorm only Beat same ilvl weps. Was the sim bugged?
Equip eranog ring
limpid anchor
It’s all about the ring!
jagged pier
it was a 1.4k increase at the same ilvl over a wep for me
dusty basin
ya okay, that’s why. I rerolled on Prot this season so I don’t have the ring
limpid anchor
But ye, the wep is busted
blazing condor
the dudes i deplete keys with gifted me gametime 
dry spear
i got a question regarding upgrates. when u already got a decent shield and weapon. 437 and 441. would you upgrate another item, or craft something you dont own yet? i got lariat 221 and i am thinking of crafting a non embellish neck at max. or the other think i could do i wait for my vault next reset. i could run sim but i guess sim will tell me up upgrate my crafted weapon
blazing condor
tldr is it the same as 10.0 but with spicy gear?