protection

[crude notch]

i need someone to test this damn

[obsidian rampart]

i got my 4 aspect crest what should i craft first ?

[oak ivy]

dude demon hunters stay getting farmed in FH and i do not understand

specifically DH's

just constantly dead

[crude notch]

they go into FH thinking it's BFA again where nothing could kill them

[daring marlin]

arcane is so fucking good when the player is good

wewlad

[oak ivy]

im so fucking tired of bricking this easy key to dead dps

[round vortex]

PSA: Don't reflect this. Last boss Halls...

It makes him target another player...

[daring marlin]

CAN'T TEST IT WHEN GEAR DOESN'T DROP JORDAN SORRY

[crude notch]

kekw loser

imagine not already having a pogstorm

|| I got mine an hour ago so I can say this ||

[daring marlin]

I need a 2h to try to upgrade it

doofus

[long stone]

And we mean a +17 pogstorm!!!

[daring marlin]

I HOPE IT'S A CHAMPION TRACK ONE

LOSER

[crude notch]

yeah mine is

[daring marlin]

hah

rip bozo

[crude notch]

oh no, i can only upgrade it to 437 instead of 441.

My life is over

[daring marlin]

you said it not me

:^)

[sick sentinel]

🍼👶🏻

[daring marlin]

hey dstance guy is here

what up fam

[crude notch]

dstance kekw

[sick sentinel]

What's up boomer

[crude notch]

dstance is for boomers,

zoomers run bstance

like gigachads

[sick sentinel]

True

[daring marlin]

hah boomer jordan

[sick sentinel]

Luckily I only did that as I started playing

[daring marlin]

waking up early sucks only OCE people playing

[crude notch]

that's the good players in NA though.

[daring marlin]

I should snag a good vpn so I can play with 'em

[sick sentinel]

Good players and NA don't go in one sentence

[crude notch]

The west in general is worse at video games so idk wym EU

[sick sentinel]

Especially with an arcane pfp

U should know eu is superior to NA especially in the game where its coming from

[daring marlin]

Leon is an L printing factory

tbh

[sick sentinel]

EU > NA

[oak ivy]

Worth dropping 4p 415 pants for 437 pants?

[daring marlin]

look another one

[sick sentinel]

L printing factory don't die of a heartattack old man are you looking these things up ?

[crude notch]

Who cares about EU v NA in LoL though, only the losers from those regions and that prefer poor play

[daring marlin]

Leon you seem to have a lot of pent up rage

you should hit the gym

[oak ivy]

i got a lil butthurt thinking this was about me then i saw the EU NA shit lmao

[crude notch]

Leon more like L-eon

[sick sentinel]

I go to work

[crude notch]

Amirite

[sick sentinel]

That's more than enough

[daring marlin]

coulda fooled me

[sick sentinel]

Actually

That's maybe where the anger is coming from

I should quit

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[lusty tiger]

Is this u irl

[daring marlin]

sure is

[oak ivy]

i'd be angry too if i was european excluding anything including and north of ireland

[lusty tiger]

Lookin old af

[daring marlin]

thanks bro

[lusty tiger]

💌

[daring marlin]

I am a boomer like Jordan.

[crude notch]

wut

[daring marlin]

same age as you pal

we're boomers

[crude notch]

you dont even know how old i am

[daring marlin]

[oak ivy]

if you're older than me you're a boomer

i was born in the far off year of 2002

[lusty tiger]

Jordan is Lorax aged obv you can’t even begin to compare…

[crude notch]

Boomers are 59+ idjits

[oak ivy]

negative

older than me is boomer

[crude notch]

Bro you're still in diapers, stfu

[unkempt hinge]

Is t29 4pc worth keeping or shall I replace 2 pieces of gear with higher non tier set gear for now?

[oak ivy]

^^ im debating dropping 4p with my 415 pants to 437

[unkempt hinge]

No but exactly the same haha

[crude notch]

I couldn't imagine being like 20 and playing WoW.

How you gonna play a game the same age as you

[oak ivy]

my parents raised me on wow

[unkempt hinge]

Same, and I am around the 20 lol

[oak ivy]

when they were too busy adulting to deal with baby blank_e dad sat me down at his computer and had me run his level 60 paladin around elwynn killing wolves

[lusty tiger]

A Smart fella

[crude notch]

Should've had you playing a game that would net them money

[lusty tiger]

Yeah writing RuneScape bot scrips to sell gold

[unkempt hinge]

I feel like the 4pc is so insignificant. Like I don't need that ignore pain extra imo

[oak ivy]

yeaaaa

in keys where i feel like it matters my IP just fucking breaks anyway and my damage isn't going into it

[unkempt hinge]

Yeah exactly, and I feel like getting extra haste-crit will just help more especially with the ilvl increase

[oak ivy]

wait a god damn second you said we're planning the exact same change

are you perhaps

[crude notch]

l2read

[oak ivy]

i

am brain

dead

[unkempt hinge]

Actually better

[crude notch]

they said extra haste-crit

[oak ivy]

this is why i tank

[oak ivy]

listen

[oak ivy]

i am not smart

[unkempt hinge]

You've proven that dw

[crude notch]

no one would accuse you of being so

[oak ivy]

[crude notch]

[unkempt hinge]

xd

[oak ivy]

fuck it im doing it

[crude notch]

you wont

[unkempt hinge]

DO IT

I am

That 4pc the more I think about it is shit

[unkempt hinge]

I want T30 tier set

It looks strong

I am just a baby prot tank

So idk

[oak ivy]

looks about 100x more fun than current

[crude notch]

okay idk if i would've lobbed wyrms into it

[oak ivy]

imo

[unkempt hinge]

No I was about to say the same but I felt bad

[crude notch]

now you got smelly mastery

[oak ivy]

meh i'm considering it an investment into getting future ones

[unkempt hinge]

Fair

[crude notch]

true

[oak ivy]

suboptimal but makes life a little easier for right now

[unkempt hinge]

That's what it's about honestly

Min maxing is pointless

I said

it

[daring marlin]

Jordan I'm gonna loot a 431 forgestorm today

[crude notch]

Do it

[daring marlin]

I'll be sure to link it too

[unkempt hinge]

Where does forgestorm drop from?

[oak ivy]

u wont

[crude notch]

I gotta get a tusk now on my monkey

[oak ivy]

neltharus

[unkempt hinge]

Alright grinding that too

My weapon is bad atm

[oak ivy]

nothing giga but i got this

[unkempt hinge]

I mean not that bad

[crude notch]

0h n1c3 y0u'll g3t a n1c3 437 p0gst0rm 4 fr33 n0w

[safe mango]

What do people think are the best purely defensive embellishments?

[marble path]

does anyone know if the new crafted shield is worth it in terms of DPS for m+ ?

[daring marlin]

I hope we get tol dagor and KR next season

[crude notch]

the best purely defensive embellishments are going offensive ones because the damage gain is greater than the defensive gains so you kill a mob quicker

ez

pz

Ded mob does no damage

you can put that on a motivational poster

[oak ivy]

as a relatively new tanky boi this is a really hard truth to accept but it's just facts

[daring marlin]

Saw someone say Korthia alone had more content than 10.1.

[jagged pier]

Korthia was an endless grind

[daring marlin]

People really wanna do dailies I guess

[jagged pier]

This isnt

Thnaks god

[daring marlin]

nah man I love 10.1

[oak ivy]

Shadowflame patch any good in M+?

[unkempt hinge]

Just v10 I love

[jagged pier]

So do i i love df because i dont have to constantly do stuff i dont want to do

At all

Ever

[unkempt hinge]

Yeah exactly

Especially 10.1 is just such a good patch for it as well I think

[daring marlin]

💯

[unkempt hinge]

That all gear is now upgradable and stuff

[daring marlin]

I can log on and just fucking play

no dumbass chores

also this shit is great

If I don't play for a week I can just catch up

[crude notch]

yep yep

[lusty tiger]

I hate df because there’s not enough crap to complain about

[unkempt hinge]

[crude notch]

[lusty tiger]

Actually tho

Have u tried nelth lair on a +16

Apparently echo had to give up the key at the 3rd boss (read on a wowhead thing)

My team got him to 21% hp

[dull zodiac]

i just got strike twice on my last vault was that a good weapon last season?

[lusty tiger]

Very good

[dull zodiac]

smh

[unkempt hinge]

Even on +14 for me

[dull zodiac]

this luck

[errant aurora]

I have 2p from new set, do i break 4p and play 2p+2p?

[lusty tiger]

14 we could’ve done it but by our 100th death overall and 7th attempt on that boss we called it lol

[dull zodiac]

im not entirely sure as i dont main prot but i would assum the item level alone is worth it

[daring marlin]

this drop a lot?

[hazy hazel]

warriors on the naughty list all of the sudden?

declined from every group this morning 12-16

[lusty tiger]

Debatable

[daring marlin]

I did a 16 NL last night

healer was an absolute king

[lusty tiger]

Yeah the healing req is like 110k hps

I wasn’t able to do that for 3 min straight as a hpala

Melee healer pitfall

[daring marlin]

at the end the druid was at 100k hps

[lusty tiger]

Lucky boi

We were close but holy balls it is needlessly hard

Not to mention the rocks go through bubble

And we have 2 pallys (prot and holy )

[vapid wedge]

If you got invited to and then got told you're not a prot pally I don't think you have much to complain about.

[sick sentinel]

Is there a crafting order?

to use spark on

[lusty tiger]

Usually something like shield > wep > non tier slot

[jagged pier]

We dont need wep

[hazy hazel]

They didn't have to say it...they all ended up inviting prot paladins

[jagged pier]

To be crafted

[lusty tiger]

Only if u raid or what?

[jagged pier]

Strike twice qas better but not by much

Forgestorm is miles ahead of that

So its a must have

For all content

[vapid wedge]

They did that to me. But idc its flavor of the month well prolly rest of xpac

[sick sentinel]

Is it shadowed impact buckler?

[jagged pier]

No

Thats garbo

[sick sentinel]

which one then? 🙂

[jagged pier]

Primal molten whatever

[sick sentinel]

haste crit right?

[jagged pier]

Yer

[sick sentinel]

nice ty 🙂

[unkempt hinge]

Defender

Good to know!

I can upgrade that one soon

[wraith niche]

Does Forgestorm not come with str? Is it wrong on wowhead or is the proc so good its bis even without mainstat?

[modern brook]

no mainstat on forgesword

bis without mainstat

[foggy lynx]

do we know if the shadowed buckler is gonna be any good?

[wraith niche]

damn, interesting. ty

[jagged pier]

Its garbage

Its only use is to craft for tmog

[edgy kindle]

Right now I dont feel confortable farming Neltharus +17/+19 yet, should I get the forgesword and get it from a lower key and get it to 437?

[jagged pier]

Its week one of the patch domt care about loot too much

Just chill

I aint farming 17 nels this week fuck that

Get more gear feel more comfortable craft a sheild or other slots u need

[edgy kindle]

Just crafted 447 Shield

[old sinew]

You don’t “waste” crests unless you loot from vsult or craft that slot. If you valor upgrade to 8/8 champion and then loot the 2/5 hero version later you will only need to spend 1 aspect crest to max it

[dusky canopy]

Just run keys

[old sinew]

Which is fine. Flightstones are infinite and unless you shit in a bucket you probably won’t cap both heroic and mythic crests this week

[dusky canopy]

Worry about farming 17+ nelth in a few weeks when the rest of the “pack” catches up to us

[dusky canopy]

You’re not already almost capped???

It’s only 26 dungeons

[edgy kindle]

Yeah, that's a fair way to word it, everyone dies and I'm like, "What happened?" XD

[old sinew]

Only.

[dusky canopy]

[edgy kindle]

Yep, only 26

XD

[dusky canopy]

You’re main focus is ilvl and maintaining an io ahead of the pack to avoid the shitters

Outside of that hunt tier pieces too

[old sinew]

I don’t know what those numbers mean tbh

[edgy kindle]

Oh, the keys I've run this week

It's from an aura

[old sinew]

Oh

Those are vault boxes

[dusky canopy]

13 dungeons of a specific bracket is 10 crest if you time them

[dusky canopy]

So it’s minimum 26 dungeons to max wyrm and aspect

[icy yarrow]

we all here shit in buckets ,did u not know aldy, week-cap or die

[dusky canopy]

Yo soge! Is that finally updated for Dragonflight? I forgot about that WA

Mind DMing me the wago link?

[edgy kindle]

Sure, 1 s

[crude notch]

don't dm him, it's a trap

[cinder jackal]

I’d love to get a link to that WA too if poss

[steep atlas]

Bit of a long shot but I'm looking for a weakaura that announces the raid damage about to be dealt by the dot expiring on Sarkareth - anyone got any ideas or suggestions?

[next bronze]

You can create one if the buff duration is under 3 seconds ( or whatever you want ) to send a message in /say

[steep atlas]

I have 0 knowledge on how to do that, is it easy enough to work out with trial/error?

[next bronze]

Yes, I'm coming home from work soon I can show you how if you want

[steep atlas]

Yeah I'd really appreciate that, thanks 🙂

[bronze quest]

Is anyone aware of updated resources on spell blockable spells?

[bronze quest]

Actually I see the spreadsheet is updated, its in guide resources FAQ channel

[long stone]

hmmm macro last stand with shieldslam if 2 pieces? or bullshit :D?

[remote venture]

I woundn't do that

[azure temple]

Do we want crit or vers more now

[strong forum]

you can macro SS to LS sure

no downside to that

thought about doing the same myself

[long stone]

ok so my sense was right 😄

thanks nome ! ... 3 weeks for d4 !

[strong forum]

only 1 day until server slam

[long stone]

yeeeah

[strong forum]

then my life has meaning for 3/4 days!

[long stone]

ppl are getting wonered why worldboss hit them to the earthroot because they dont are full fucking legys

muhahaha best days

[strong forum]

always legs

[dusky canopy]

LOL it’s so I don’t forgot about it DUH

[remote venture]

Item level over anything else

[crude notch]

these answers you keep giving

[dusky canopy]

Same here except you don’t want to end a pull with a SS and then you accidentally send LS

Or are you talking similar to the IP/SS macro

[azure temple]

But what about in the situation if i have 2 pieces of gear in the same slot, same ilvl, one gives vers one gives crit? Are there %s we should be aiming for

[jagged pier]

It would be the same as the ip macro brew

And the sb macro if u want

Just macro ss to everything

[dusky canopy]

Yeah then that makes sense

[jagged pier]

And keep the ss binding itself

[strong forum]

^

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

Word

I actually never thought to add it after SB

I’ll be doing that good call

[vagrant oracle]

Personally, I like crit over Vers. Translates better to if I want to swap into a DPS spec.

If you're closing in on a break point though, adding vers won't hurt you for sure.

[azure temple]

Okay cool thanks, what are the breakpoints

[jagged pier]

There are none

[vagrant oracle]

So we don't hit diminishing returns anymore?

[dusky canopy]

Haste break point is 400%

[vagrant oracle]

Have I been using TrueStatValues all for naught

[strong forum]

diminishing return breakpoint where we stop is ~7100 haste

[dusky canopy]

Make it 9000%

[strong forum]

gl hitting that

[lusty tiger]

Already have

[strong forum]

h-he's fast

[vagrant oracle]

Too fast

[lusty tiger]

[dusky canopy]

looted a 900ish haste ring and neck this week

Ring came with a socket

[strong forum]

ive looted a transmog belt from normal raid

[lusty tiger]

😻

[dusky canopy]

HOI ring

Cries in Vers

[lusty tiger]

[dusky canopy]

You love to see it

Jokes on us honestly
Ilvl is temporary appearances are forever

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[radiant pebble]

Are Stamina gems worth socketing? Pawn is telling me to socket them.

[vagrant oracle]

Haste

[strong forum]

delete pawn

never socket stamina

[radiant pebble]

Thank you, I wasn't just wanted to make sure.

[strong forum]

pawn doesnt tell you anything useful because static stat weights dont exist

anytime you wanna get the correct stat weight you have to sim each time you equip a different item

[radiant pebble]

Good to know

[strong forum]

at which point pawn loses all it does

the only useful thing it tells you is when an item is an ilvl higher with with green arrow

thats it

[dusky canopy]

Change all the stat weights to 0 except ilvl

That’s how you use pawn

[glacial skiff]

Which talent are you all dropping for spell block in M+? I’m thinking blood surge is the safe bet.

[strong forum]

yes

[glacial skiff]

I kinda feel like punish is too good considering most of our talents/tier synergize with shield slam

[strong forum]

also most situations where you want spellblock, you want punish too

[glacial skiff]

Yeah I kinda figured as much. Have people with 4 piece tested if it’s worth canceling last stand to gain the AoE shield slam (assuming cancelling it manually does the same thing)

[strong forum]

cant cancel

they made it so you cant cancelaura LS anymore

[glacial skiff]

Well damn. That’s good to know before I get my last piece lmao

[final python]

Does anyone know if/when replacing last raid tier is worth it? Like losing 4 piece to go to 2 piece with way higher ilvl on replacement pieces

[strong forum]

Yes that's worth

You're not pushing any relevant content anyway

Dmg output is all that matters for a while

[final python]

Yeah, wasn’t sure if losing the IP gen was outweighed by the ilvl jump or not and what the cutoff was

[lilac jay]

if i upgrade now 1 trinket to 441 all future trinkets are only costing flightstones?

[strong forum]

Yes

[lilac jay]

so its a good idea to upgrade homeland raid horn to 441 and replace whetstone?

[orchid mural]

Sooooo, i should drop this NL 18 lol?

[strong forum]

Homeland raidhorn is simbait

[lilac jay]

but doesnt really matter if all other upgrades are free no? i can test it / have fun with it?

[strong forum]

You gotta heavily play around not getting hit yourself by the barrage to get good dmg out of it

Well sure

[lilac jay]

and 441 with strenght kinda good ore?

awesome ty mate

[sleek current]

Can someone with MDT just check if when you right click a mob the spell list is blank?
Mines dead in the water, just wondering if it's MDT or me.

[oblique kayak]

do we have a trinket list? don’t want to fall for Guide/simbait - got anvil

[crude notch]

MDT usually doesn't get updated until after RWF so

[sleek current]

Aaah, cheers mate.

[tropic gorge]

Ugh still no tier drops. And I won't let myself try lfr wing 1 for that

[sleek current]

I got shoulders in our normal clear yesterday. Haste Mastery is a bit naff but, eh.

[toxic pewter]

wat ur guys crit % im at 32%

[tropic gorge]

We did an unofficial normal run last night to get started. I continued my s1 run of no loot lol

Oh, I guess the cloth Boe I got was something. Lmao

Hopefully it'll ah for a pretty penny

[sleek current]

Fingers crossed for you mate. As long as you're not in my guild or my dungeon. 😄

[strong forum]

Raidhorn is the only simbait

[fair topaz]

think i might've screwed up when acquiring the drogbar set.
i have two drogbar rocks.
anyone know a quick way to get the drogbar stones? or do i have to farm for one now?
(i am currently farming)

i didn't know the chest would give you drogbar rocks

[strong forum]

Gotta farm

[fair topaz]

damn

[strong forum]

Also the set isn't good

So outside of "for the fuck of it" no reason to get drogbar stones

[granite pond]

Is Fueled by Violence strictly better than Brutal Vit now?

[fair topaz]

oh okay thank god lmao

[strong forum]

Can't honestly answer that

Fbv is good now, brutal vit remains good just not as good as before once you lose t29 4pc

Both are rather inconsequential which one you pick

[granite pond]

fair

[pallid quiver]

once my 4p is gone, I'm picking up fbv to stick it to brutal for its bug at the start that i'm still not clear if it was ever fixed or not

[strong forum]

It's been recently reported again

Only time will tell now

[old sinew]

I hope in the 10.1.5 dev hour today ppal gets nerfed so we can get back on top 😏

[pallid quiver]

i hope we don't tbh

[old sinew]

Y? Because we will get nerfed if we are #1?

[strong forum]

#1 gets unwanted attention

#2/3 is the sweetspot

[placid saffron]

anyone else feeling like prot pal in raid is miles ahead of us? So much magic damage this tier

[pallid quiver]

#2/3 while community perception that you are shit, garbage, and unplayable is the best

[strong forum]

Pwar is one of the better tanks this tier

So. Yeh

Idk about this "so much magic dmg"

Sarketh we're one of the best tanks actually, because of Spellblock and ignore pain

Same goes for echo of nelth with the high fucking mega melee dmg

[vagrant oracle]

So - This is very limited data so take it for what it is. Ran the same key twice, once with FBV and the other with BV after going down to 2 pieces. BV was still slightly ahead, but by a small enough margin that it was easily just a situational difference.

[placid saffron]

Zskarn felt pretty bad with the ticking phys dmg

[strong forum]

Zskarn is just CD Management

Pretty much every tank that isn't paladin sucks vs that

Cuz paladin is the only tank that can just keep generating resources outside of melee range

[ebon geyser]

When you see sense on the top 10 tanks for keys

[unkempt hatch]

That feels bad

[strong forum]

It's sounds worse than it is

[icy bane]

Swap from Pwar to Brew has felt very good 🙂

[strong forum]

Raid is almost always tuned around every tank being able to clear it

[unkempt hatch]

I’d say monk is 2nd after Pally for xskarn

Zskarn

[strong forum]

Rn we're 20 ilvl behind so stuff can feel a bit more daunting than it rly is

[unkempt hatch]

I was leaning prot warrior for raid Friday, but part of me also thinks brew is a power move

[icy bane]

Got 19 NL wish me luck boys

[astral crystal]

it's over for you

[icy bane]

Bout to brick this shit

[strong forum]

Hah yeah you not gonna complete that

[astral crystal]

i had 19 brackenhide

[strong forum]

Only 1 team in the world has completed an NL 19

With 40min overtime

[placid saffron]

Should I still be crafting my 447 shield if I already have a 437 shield?

[strong forum]

If its just a dropped 437,yes

[icy bane]

Ye was hoping for a 19 freehold or ulda

Even tho Bromach is kinda pain in my ass

[strong forum]

I'll maybe do 1 or 2 keys this week

[icy bane]

Fishing for that 20 FH or UR for fault

[strong forum]

Maybe a last minute timing next Tuesday

[astral crystal]

most of the dungeons have some dumb overtuned shit

[granite pond]

If you take off Freehold's disguise, it's just Shadowmoon Burial Ground underneath

[strong forum]

Nah FH is better than smbg

[icy bane]

Anyone know about the heart or thunder trinket? Some people say it’s pumping

[strong forum]

FH is actually fun

[dusky canopy]

TLDR: bracken/nelth lair turbo bad
Freehold/underrot are the new sbg/cos
The rest are average

[icy bane]

Ye FH is fun, I never played BFA and Eudora kinda chunks

[sand pebble]

did the break our crit damage?

[granite pond]

I like Vortex - please don't hurt me

[strong forum]

Fix*

[old sinew]

FH has some spicy trash now that pull before Harlan is forced and Harlan is tougher with the tanks made

[astral crystal]

tried vortex on a 17

[old sinew]

It’s not Smbg

[astral crystal]

haven't gone back since

altarius is unhealable

[icy bane]

Ye did a 14 not too bad but my healer was a pumper

[sand pebble]

did they break our crit damage? this is shield slam -2+2pc

[old sinew]

Vp is fine except making you clear all but 19 forces is cringe. 19 forces is like 2 pat of 2 mobs or 1 dragon

[dusky canopy]

Honestly as long as people know to stand upwind on boss 2 vortex is very doable

Storming kinda makes it ass

But it’s doable

[old sinew]

Forcing all trash in M+ when you can walk past mobs easily is sus

But whatever dungeon already easy

I do like VP overall tho

[astral crystal]

at least at the level i was doing it his dmg aura was doing ridiculous amounts of group damage

[icy bane]

Wondering what fort gonna feel like, some of this trash on tyr chunks

[warm plinth]

How dare anyone compare Freehold to SBG

Two entirely different classes of dungeon in terms of design

[dusky canopy]

It’s not broken as stated. They fixed a bug with Battering Ram that allowed it to effect all Crit damage not just shield charge

[sand pebble]

then why i have a 80k normal and only 47k crit

[warm plinth]

Because we have a lot of temporary buffs to shield slam

[dusky canopy]

Ghash I* was comparing difficulty

Not dungeon design

[warm plinth]

Nah I will not hear of this comparison 😠 will fight

[strong forum]

Outburst vs non outburst

[dusky canopy]

LOL FH is absolutely a better dungeon I won’t debate that

Outburst Crit is massive

[warm plinth]

Yeah

And very fun

[strong forum]

Especially cuz SS has innate 20% crit dmg

Even without the bug

[dusky canopy]

300k SS with hoof rollin

Rip hoof

[daring marlin]

What key level? Was pretty high on 17 too.

[astral crystal]

17 yeah

we had a shaman healer, idk, they're supposed to do god's work now

[daring marlin]

We had a disc but they were huge.

[azure temple]

Any idea what our go to embellishments are now?

[strong forum]

Shadowflame armor patch

[lusty grotto]

love getting declined over prot paladins lol

[daring marlin]

Freehold is so good now

[crude notch]

how do you know what you're getting declined over

[lusty grotto]

premade group filter

[daring marlin]

He gets declined and they whisper him "You're not a Crusader, no thank you!"

[lusty grotto]

well not quite a decline more like "ill just pick this prot paladin instead"

[dusky canopy]

Every tank who’s not in the spotlight deals with this

[lusty grotto]

of course, not the first time

[chilly brook]

Lemme dps your keys

I promise I’m not a shitter

[lusty grotto]

but always funny being the first week

[chilly brook]

Most of the time

Me big dragon breath boi

[daring marlin]

I wanna push my own key but I want a few upgrades first

[chilly brook]

What level key?

[daring marlin]

19 Neltharus

[chilly brook]

Oh nvm lol 😝

Was just gonna say drop it and farm then push it back up

[crude notch]

wait so you actually double check on a group to see what they took over you?

[daring marlin]

SHOULD just craft shield

[crude notch]

sheesh

[lusty grotto]

no?

whatever you apply to is highlighted

are you new?

oh

joined apr 2023

[crude notch]

lol

no i'm not new

and when you leave and come back

it resets your date

[lusty grotto]

idk discord says otherwise

[crude notch]

Are you new?

do you not know how discord works

[lusty grotto]

as new as 2019 hmm

[oblique kayak]

ughh defensive emo *they/them enters the room

[crude notch]

Who?

Who?

[oblique kayak]

my bad

[crude notch]

me?

[lusty grotto]

if youre worried...

[strong forum]

Dafuq is going on here

[crude notch]

idek

Nim mad because he got declined over a pally ig

[lusty grotto]

ah yes

[crude notch]

[fluid beacon]

them bleeds on bomb bitch boss are kinda .... shit

lmao

combined with the bomb dot

oh boy

[modern brook]

Which ones bomb bitch

[fluid beacon]

madorax? whatever the name is

the bombs you pick up and desonate

traps

[uneven mason]

Is this overtuned because its "pair" isn't worth shit

[modern brook]

Bro I'm drawing a blank here lol what dungo?

[fluid beacon]

madborax

raid boss

[modern brook]

OH THATS WHY

[fluid beacon]

MAGMORAX

[modern brook]

Lmao sorry ignore me

[fluid beacon]

lol

[modern brook]

Haven't walked into raid yet

[uneven mason]

@strong forum Is the Drogbar Rock/Stone combo worth using, because SIMC can't quantify "when you get hit"

[fluid beacon]

yea on heroic her fire dot and bomb combo kinda slaps

[strong forum]

In Sims you do get hit every 2 seconds

[uneven mason]

TIL

[strong forum]

Or 1.6sec

[modern brook]

Is that per active enemy actor?

[uneven mason]

guessing the stones has a ICD

feels like it SHOULD be a substantial boost, because revenge with another 58k on it

pretty chonky

but if its got like a 30s ICD

Or procs only on autos...or is just a isolated damage source..

[fresh igloo]

yeah I'm seeing similar results where the drogbar rocks is surprisingly strong.

[uneven mason]

at 411 (highest I've gotten) is plowing the raid trinkets under

[fresh igloo]

i think 411 will be the absolute cap for that particular piece

since it's open world only afaik

[uneven mason]

must be why they're not caring about balancing it

[strong forum]

437 rocks would be bis

[uneven mason]

Ooo

yeah it can show up as Champion

[strong forum]

Atleast on sims*

In reality

My 411 rocks is only winning over my 415 whetstone because it has crit instead of mastery

But it Sims 1.5k higher

Despite not doing more dmg than my whetstone

[fluid beacon]

So, i think chaos grapnel can accidentally be cancelled

[uneven mason]

Oh, sims are updated to account for "The fix"

[strong forum]

Yes

[uneven mason]

our 20% sadboy

[fluid beacon]

if you press it and it does the first hook it does damage. but i think if you move or do another action it cancels the secon hit

[uneven mason]

TFW you log on to run keys and get declined for 45min before you realize that its a fresh season and most folks are looking at you're 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

It's bugged

[lusty grotto]

youre bugged

[uneven mason]

ON a brighter note, I got the mount from the researcher camp, so I guess I'm done with them for the season

[strong forum]

When I ran my pug yesterday almost everybody but me showed up as 0

Later on it updated for everyone

[modern brook]

Raider io shows last season peaks until you beat out the score on current season I'm o sure

[crude notch]

yep

[modern brook]

Unless thays the it's bugged

[unkempt hatch]

Any problem macro ravages @heavy mirage? For my m+ setup?

[crude notch]

poor player

[unkempt hatch]

Sorry 😭

[fresh igloo]

you can do it, but where you want ravager hitting isn't always where you are positioned currently

[lusty grotto]

yeah but it only shows for people that have it, so consider the bullet dodged

[uneven mason]

mine works

[lusty grotto]

and by have it i mean the addon

[uneven mason]

#showtooltip
/cast [@heavy mirage]Ravager

[unkempt hatch]

I figured I could have 2 binds. One when I want to throw it somewhere and another that just makes it quicker and easier to just press and have it on CD

That’s how I did DND on my BDK one macro one regular to place

In those situations

[uneven mason]

makesure your keyboard isn't scuffed and that your [ and { are not flipped, because they literally look the same when typed into WoW

[unkempt hatch]

I’ll probably copy my dnd macro and just change the ability name

Since I know it’s in correct and works (: I can’t mess it up

Fool proof for a dummy like me

[strong forum]

Don't underestimate the power of blizzard 🍝

[unkempt hatch]

I’m itching to get into Raid tomorrow. I hope I can kill it on my warrior

I need to do some keys this weekend. I wanna keep my rio ranking on my shitty low pop server

[sick sentinel]

does any1 have a weakaura that tracks Raidboss tank debuff on the other tank
Right now i just have him on focus target, but it would be nice to have a prober tracker

[uneven mason]

Oh crap I just noticed ravager looks like my weapon now

#Warriorbuffs

[split copper]

Whats the best shield for us atm? Is this new crafted shield any good?

[uneven mason]

highest ilvl

and no, not the crafted one

[strong forum]

447 crafted primal molten or 450 from raid

[uneven mason]

I mean the Shadowflame crafted

not good

mostly because the proc isn't as juicy as having shadowflame on your pants

[unkempt hatch]

M+ subcreation has wars as D this week. Are people not tanking keys as warrior? 🙈

Can you put the patch on shield?

[fresh igloo]

i am, but i'm not very good

so I'm probably bringing us all down

[modern brook]

Sub creation has less than 3 days worth of data AND @fresh igloo is bringing us all down

[strong forum]

And yes

[strong forum]

Everybody is just sucking off paladin

[fresh igloo]

I'm just that good at being bad.

[modern brook]

A talent in its own right

[strong forum]

That's one sexy shield ngl

[lusty grotto]

indeed it is

grats

[unkempt hatch]

I want it 😂😂

@fresh igloo I bet money I’m worse (;

[fresh igloo]

I don't have it, i just have the ability to craft it

[unkempt hatch]

I’ve tanked a +2 HoI that’s all I’ve got going for me

[fresh igloo]

need to get the aspect crests first, and the shadowflame patch...

waiting for the patch to come down in price heh

currently I'm still in wyrm crest farming land, feeling out the new season.

[split copper]

so patch should go on pants?

or on shield?

[fresh igloo]

probably not pants, since that might be a tier slot?

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk what pants are you crafting

[split copper]

i guess you cant use shadowflame patch on frostfire so primal molten i guess?

[lusty grotto]

right

[fresh igloo]

if you're committing to crafting something rn as prot i'd go with shield, personally.

unless you've already lucked in to an upgradeable one.

[split copper]

Aight then, shield it is, thank you!

[fresh igloo]

good crafted slots are usually non-tier slots and maybe lower stat budget slots, and anything you need a guaranteed ilvl bump to. so like wrists/belts/boots/shields for prot.

[sleek tendon]

Any bis list from tank warri?

[fresh igloo]

BiS lists are kinda complicated and not super useful these days, it just depends on what you can get and upgrade?

unless you're asking for like, specific slots like weapons and trinkets you should hope for?

forgestorm is a big one people are talking about.

[strong forum]

the only true bis is forgestorm

rest is just get your hands on ilvl

[fresh igloo]

i got the new grapnel trinket and it's very entertaining

[modern brook]

looove forgesword

[daring marlin]

🪤

[tropic star]

does anyone know if the enduring dreadplate works for dot dmg?

[modern brook]

i dont see why it wouldnt

[strong forum]

yup shadowed impact buckler does exactly what i predicted

350dps

[modern brook]

🧠

[strong forum]

so now we wait

for the 500% buff

and then its competetive

[final mist]

Amazing how they just let stuff be that weak

[cinder jackal]

I’d love to get a link to that WA too if poss

[lusty grotto]

sweet

bard evoker

excuse me, "augmentation" evoker

i hope warcraft logs does some added dps thing so people dont mald over low throughput

i think ffxiv log site has it

[modern brook]

the article stated a large part of the augvoker release would involve combat log updates to allow for tracking things like that

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's a great move

[modern brook]

so until its inevitably worthless ima just trust its a good move

im all for externals if they're going to be a part of the core set up

[lusty grotto]

yeah def all for it

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's gonna be something different so it might be cool

[lusty grotto]

right

[warm plinth]

Though imagine creating an entirely new spec before VDH gets the rework it desperately needs

[lusty grotto]

LOL

poor zuania has been eating shit at lvl 60

[modern brook]

no need to imagine it its been going on since legion :^)))))))))))

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

havoks are still using the momentum build yea?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

fuck.

that.

[warm plinth]

FR being a rotational ability is big sadge. Can't enjoy havoc that way

But it's not likely to change; that playstyle is really popular

[lusty grotto]

yeah im guessing zuania will stay lvl 60 until that shit goes away fuck that

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto did you see the incredible trinket I got last night

[lusty grotto]

i didnt catch it

[warm plinth]

🙃

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

what

[warm plinth]

I want to meet whoever designs shit like this

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[warm plinth]

Oh man I should not have looked this up on wowhead

[lusty grotto]

that guy fucks

[south zealot]

PRIMALIST ICECALLERS FUCK HARD

danger

[livid dawn]

Dang. I just noticed that there's barely any representation for prot wars in 15+ and 20+. Are y'all doomin over here?

Are y'all just chillin then? At least not dooming like dk and dh?

[warm plinth]

We're fine. We haven't gotten any weaker, so it's not like we're shit or anything

We're the same as we were last season; no reason to doom

[livid dawn]

Say no more

[warm plinth]

Well, we are weaker I guess because of the bug fix

But it's whatever

[static aspen]

Lmao wtf is this shit. Literally 1405 stamina statstick for 2 min

[icy yarrow]

i like to think that despite the paly boom we still get respect when we join a party with decent score

[livid dawn]

That's exactly what I wanted to hear

[elfin atlas]

So...is that trinket garbage? I think it is due to having stamina not strength.

[icy bane]

Yeah it’s bad

[urban portal]

Codex 2

[warm plinth]

Even if it had str, it'd still be garbage

[urban portal]

Let’s go

[warm plinth]

Just less garbage

[elfin atlas]

fact

[karmic plinth]

has stamina instead of strength & uncontrollable effect & will never proc unless you play bad

[warm plinth]

yep lol

[elfin atlas]

i agree. but how good would 1400+ extra strength feel

[urban portal]

Very good

Would be bis trinket at 1400 str

Even if the text did nothing

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a massive amount of strength lol

[sick sentinel]

1400 str has to be a proc or activate

[warm plinth]

Considering a 415 trinket only gives 448 str

[sick sentinel]

but, i mean i had horn of valor, which was like 800-1100 str

[warm plinth]

yogi, we were just what-ifing

No trinket has 1400 str

[sudden tangle]

what should i be using my crafted piece for this week as prot?

[icy bane]

Most likely shield if you want the defensive boost now

[sudden tangle]

any idea what its called?

[elfin atlas]

I am not a theory crafter by any means. I was lucky enough to get a normal shield from raid, so I am probably gonna craft either a belt or weapon this week.

[mighty valley]

primal molten shield

or defender

something like that

[fresh igloo]

base item with new spark

[blazing comet]

can we spell reflect shatter on Rokmora???

[livid dawn]

How do y'all feel with all these new m+ affixes and not being able to help with much?

[rancid ember]

gonna be worst M+ season yet IMO

Took away seasonal flavored and replaced with recycled content.

Im all for rotating dungeons season to season, but taking away seasonal affix was dumb AF & took away the true seasonal value

[crude notch]

hmm

You're aware that M+ started without a seasonal, right?

[runic hatch]

Just did my first Brackenhide as prot, hate that dungeon already

[rancid ember]

So? Doesn't mean going back to that is a good thing

[frozen berry]

Thundering added on average 2% dps for a huge downside, most people are fine with the shitty affixes gone

[runic hatch]

Doesn't mean staying with shit affixes is better

[rancid ember]

Kiss/Curse seasonal affix was great.
Just cause Thundering specifically was bad means the seasonal affix idea was bad.

Thundering could've been improved in a variety of ways but they stuck to their guns like usual

[slender hamlet]

removing the seasonal allows for making the dungeons shine and be balanced as a dungeon instead of some goofy affix that we get 1 season at a time

[rancid ember]

🤷 to each their own.

[fresh igloo]

much rather play the dungeon than the affixes myself.

[chilly brook]

I liked the addition of seasonal affixes more often than not

Tbh

Ghoonies sucked and so did the emissary one

But storming was largely ok

Not great not terrible

[modern brook]

storming was solid

[chilly brook]

Every other one has been better than mid

[modern brook]

ppl saying otherwise clear at 14s remaining

[chilly brook]

^kekw so true

[modern brook]

i also miss seasonals

[chilly brook]

Overall seasonals were a good addition and most were good

[modern brook]

i also stan prideful tbh

[chilly brook]

I would have rather had them drop tyrannical and fortified

[modern brook]

^

[chilly brook]

And keep seasonal

[modern brook]

agrid

[modern brook]

IDK you say that and then things like NL ship to live

[chilly brook]

Or like

Neltharus

[modern brook]

M+ is literally schrodinger's content its simultaenously its own level of progression content and also just a loot grab for raid loggers

[chilly brook]

Or the first boss of Uldaman having wild aoe dam

[modern brook]

and if its ever not good at one of those people think it needs wild remediations

[crude notch]

they didn't stick to their guns actually, if you knew what original thundering was like you'd know that wasn't the case.

[livid dawn]

I think storming was solid 7/10 affix

[crude notch]

storming is still an affix.

[livid dawn]

Not super interesting but also not terribly miserable

Err

I meant thundering

Mixed the two up when I read it

[daring marlin]

19 UR into a NL

feels bad dude

[livid dawn]

Insta brick

[modern brook]

guiLford

[chilly brook]

I mean like

We had absolute bangers

[modern brook]

dont say reaping 😦

[daring marlin]

Wasn't my key but def had fingers crossed for something not...that lol

[chilly brook]

Like reaping, prideful, Nyalotha one forget the name etc.

Honestly even the SL ones were good

[daring marlin]

awakened

You forgot the name of the BEST ONE?

how dare you

peasant

[chilly brook]

Not the best in my opinion

But it was good

Very good at changing the way dungeons were run and lots of choices

[daring marlin]

It's kinda crazy how free UR is.

[crude notch]

no shot you just called prideful a banger

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

[daring marlin]

I think they should buff it unironically

[lusty grotto]

why does everyone forget reaping

oh griff mentioned it

[daring marlin]

Reaping was trash

[lusty grotto]

griff youre my favorite astronaut

[daring marlin]

anyway

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

but yeah i agree it doesnt alter the way dungeons were played

[chilly brook]

It was a good affix

[crude notch]

count breakpoint seasonals were doody.

[chilly brook]

Nah

They made you think about route

[lusty grotto]

the excuse to go ham was a great seratonin high

[chilly brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

i suppose that's true

[daring marlin]

these mfs are reminiscing about a trash affix because of the good memories

[lusty grotto]

aren't we all

[daring marlin]

It wasn't cuz of reaping bozos

[crude notch]

The good memories of pressing shadowmeld to avoid it?

[daring marlin]

😉

We became viable

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[daring marlin]

muh viability

[lusty grotto]

bootyclap time

[chilly brook]

We were “viable” as soon as we got the blocking projectiles buff

Not because of reaping

[lusty grotto]

yeah that shit was ridiculous, remember tol dagor?

[daring marlin]

You missed my point

[lusty grotto]

and does fucking stones jesus fucking christ

[chilly brook]

Bro I remember falling over randomly to thrown rocks in motherlode

[daring marlin]

I'm not saying we were viable because of reaping

That shit people skipped

[lusty grotto]

goddamn yeah ML

[chilly brook]

Reaping was sick because of the dumb shit you did with it

[crude notch]

reading comprehension is a solid trait to have

[chilly brook]

Stupid high numbers and abusing quadratic scaling

[daring marlin]

J gets it

[chilly brook]

[daring marlin]

ALSO

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵👏

[daring marlin]

REAPING WAS TERRIBLE AT THE START ANYWAY

I love when 80% of the mobs are casting from narnia

[lusty grotto]

lmao thats true

[crude notch]

I love when the meta for dealing with reaping and prideful were melding it

[daring marlin]

nelf stonks

[chilly brook]

That was not the meta for reaping at all

[crude notch]

Bullshit it wasn't.

[chilly brook]

The meta was to bring an unholy and pull it into the boss

[daring marlin]

also hallmark of a shit affix is waiting to do the last % of trash after thr last boss

[chilly brook]

Quadratic scaling meant huge pull count into boss was a huge dps gain

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt a shit affix

Ghuunies was a shit affix

you cant fucking say reaping was anywhere near it

[chilly brook]

You were able to completely destroy bosses in seconds by doing that

[lusty grotto]

that a shit take

[crude notch]

Two things can be various amounts of shit

[lusty grotto]

nobodys talking to you rookie

[crude notch]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

go back to your hole

[crude notch]

Nim I've been posting in this channel longer than you

[lusty grotto]

ok rookie

[crude notch]

Ah yes all the key pushing teams that had Unholy

[lusty grotto]

reaping into boss with a fire mage ?

??????

rogues, havok, 0 target caps

[modern brook]

??? how the fuck were we viable if dk still had gorefiends honestly

[daring marlin]

cuz bdk were garbanzo in S2

[lusty grotto]

bull is memeing you

if you didnt catch it

well memeing DKs specifically

[crude notch]

Fire mage in S2 BfA? Someone's misremembering.

[modern brook]

meeming prot chat mostly

that was the utility era

[lusty grotto]

true true

[daring marlin]

I'm busy eating food idc bruv

our utility was DAMAGE

[lusty grotto]

right

thats what we told ourselves

[modern brook]

yeah but outpacing 2 of your dps could never make up the utlity that having gorefiends brought

[daring marlin]

yeah idk what he's talking about all the mages in S2 were frost

fire didn't get used much til lucid

[lusty grotto]

till mechagon as well

since bracer

fire was used in s2, it just wasnt s4 meta

with the shitload of mastery from corruption

[daring marlin]

It was like 3 to 1 ratio of frost to fire tho

barely more fire than arcane

it was a dead spec

[modern brook]

during reaping?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/20#bracket=20&region=2&class=DPS are you sure?

i mean obviously the amount of players playing it will differ

[daring marlin]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-2/all/world/leaderboards

pretty sure

[lusty grotto]

everyone goes the safe route

[modern brook]

yeah

not shown: header stating "parses"

the graph is just %ile, which if memory serves was just "highest key completed at that time

[lusty grotto]

we're discussing 2 different thing shere

the amount of people playing the spec vs its dps

i would consider throughput more important tbh

[modern brook]

yah Logs didnt have dam %ile in keys during bfa

to my memory at least

[daring marlin]

Even worse when you filter for 20+ keys too

Anyone playing fire in S2 was them memeing around

not for muh reaping into bosses strats

[lusty grotto]

bull they did have dps info

its locked behind a paywall apparently because they are archived

[modern brook]

Ill trust that 🤷

im also team frost tho

[lusty grotto]

that being said sure

[modern brook]

but tbh season 2 was like

havoc + 2outlaw + prot + rdurid

[lusty grotto]

it was not the popular spec

[modern brook]

idr anything else

except 3 outlaw prot rdruid

[lusty grotto]

well UDK on freehold

but yes, youre right

[toxic pewter]

hello my fellow D tier tanks

https://tenor.com/view/hello-fellow-gamers-hemp-lounge-gaming-peepo-gif-25750938

[lusty grotto]

great name

[toxic pewter]

ty

[lusty grotto]

[vocal verge]

how are you all dealing with the adds on 2nd boss uldaman? they're just everywhere.

[lusty grotto]

bonk em

bring to caster

kick caster, move around

[toxic pewter]

sort of throw bunch of heroic throws at em

and yeah the caster need kick

that boss actually annoying

[lusty grotto]

if youre underleveled and people are out-agroing you, you can consider taking tricks or misdirect (good luck there)

[modern brook]

it was on my list of "things people are going to wall into like they did in RLP"

[vocal verge]

yeah everyone running around like chickens

I just need to play better sounds like

[toxic pewter]

i ask my team to kick the caster

[lusty grotto]

you could be getting outgeared by dps

[modern brook]

I'm pretty sure you need to stack everything in the totem when it spawns, burst the totem down and aoe everything + boss

[lusty grotto]

if you cant seem to get em back

yeah that's the usual strat

[modern brook]

the ads just spawn around the edge of the room

[lusty grotto]

but you know how some melee dps are

ADDS TIME TO AOE

[modern brook]

its rough getting them even without dps ripping

[lusty grotto]

just titanic throw and taunt as best as you can

into caster and into totem

[crude notch]

wait

LMAO

you're aware that doesn't show damage right

ok bull set him straight

cool cool

"Fire was strong everyone was just playing Frost at a 150:1 ratio because they didn't want people to know"

[unkempt rover]

which should I take

[lusty grotto]

first one

[rancid ember]

Doesn't really matter if the launched version wasn't well received either.

[lament shell]

wafting devotion is better than rest?

for st

why tho

[lusty grotto]

do you have the sim?

[lament shell]

i checked bloodmallet

[lusty grotto]

have you simmed to see if it is?

with your gear?

[lament shell]

ok.. ill sim

[chilly brook]

2 outlaw 1uh wasn’t uncommon

[lament shell]

ye frozen bis

bloodmalalet is sus

[lusty grotto]

its not

[lusty grotto]

well

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

the problem is that bloodmallet sims with a specific profile

it might be okay to follow but might not be 100% better for your specific character

i think you have to pay so it sims the best items for you or something like that?

[swift mason]

is spell reflect WA updated anyone know? for season 2?

[strong forum]

idk never used it

[rancid ember]

Just try reflecting shit and you'll learn what can and cant be. Better to just know then pay attention to another WA imo

[swift mason]

i mean i do both, its nice to have one

[rancid ember]

Try ever boss mechanic, even one's that sound physicalish XD

[fickle igloo]

frostfire belt + shield with shadowflame patch is a good combo for embellishments?