protection

[pallid quiver]

I think they should just buff Execute

just in general

give arms and fury execute buffs, too

[toxic pewter]

ya i miss sl execute

[granite pond]

is Battering Ram still good with the nerf?

[dusky canopy]

I want fury execute with 2x ep buff power ez

[strong forum]

yes

[hardy snow]

it changed indeed 😦
here is the log ive found (its not my): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d9JHXVjTypMmgGfh#fight=6&type=damage-taken&source=19&ability=403699&view=events

[strong forum]

BR is still super good, just not super turbo omega broken good

ill never not play BR

cuz it just makes the rotation, and especially ST, so smooth

and it interacts with new tierset 😉

[pallid quiver]

Also, we got no comp for the fix, right? if so, i was right

pain

[strong forum]

not yet

[pallid quiver]

Current status of pain

[hardy snow]

just consider this as 5-6% dmg nerf, thats all

[strong forum]

i reckon, based on logs from this week, there may be somthing

[strong forum]

itll be evened out by new tierset

so FEELYCRAFTY you didnt lose anything

[pallid quiver]

It's so nice they made our tier set not dog water in terms of numbers

[dusky canopy]

Well yeah but like..

[uneven mason]

TFW you need borrowed power to get back to where you were

Feels bad

[dusky canopy]

Taking away 6% season 1 power and giving it back to us in season 2 power

Doesn’t make us grow in power

[strong forum]

its a bugfix, its only the right thing to do

[dusky canopy]

It just puts us back to neutral

[strong forum]

now its just wait and see

if theres gonna be actual tank tuning

cuz 4/6 tanks are over 10k behind pally and bear

[uneven mason]

I don't think they're going to give us a damage buff

[pallid quiver]

There'll be tuning then for sure.

Pally has to be at least 50% better than the others ofc

[uneven mason]

More likely to bring paladins down

[strong forum]

nah blizz has done good with the nerfing this xpac

theyre super cautious nerfs

which is great

[dusky canopy]

I could see execute buffs also it makes sense

[strong forum]

yea

[dusky canopy]

We’re warrior we like execute

It’s kinda our niche

[pallid quiver]

I don't even care if it breaks balance, buff Execute at all times

[uneven mason]

Give fury execute, have 100% chance to reset SS CD on cast

[hardy snow]

imagine juggernaut to be core instead in talents

[dusky canopy]

Like imo execute should be our most favorable button I dont really understand why they don’t make it that way

At least during execute

Not necessarily at all times

[uneven mason]

Because then they would balance us around it

[strong forum]

well it is, but the tradeoff isnt very large

we also said we're balanced around d-stance

which is evidently wrong

[dusky canopy]

Right it’s abysmal trade off

Basically irrelevant

[strong forum]

if pwar is balanced around being played in d-stance

we're very bad

[uneven mason]

The times when warriors damage was balanced around execute phase was just painful

[dusky canopy]

HUH

[uneven mason]

Lower than bdk

[dusky canopy]

Banner execute!?

[strong forum]

uuuuh

[dusky canopy]

That was like peak

[strong forum]

nah we wont be lower than BDK

[uneven mason]

Imagine doing dog shit healer tier damage for 80% of a fight

[strong forum]

if we sit in d-stance

we're still stronger than bdk

[uneven mason]

That's cringe

[strong forum]

bdk uses annulet all of next patch even in m+

[dusky canopy]

Just have our dps be normal and then we’re the best tank for execute damage

[strong forum]

cuz their own class doesnt benefit enough from stats

[dusky canopy]

I don’t see how that’s bad

[strong forum]

ya id like that

big dopamine execute time

very fun

[dusky canopy]

Yes

Big agree

[uneven mason]

Legion fury execute

Just not the other 80%

[strong forum]

with current rage gen, idk if fury execute would be that good

if the CD is 6sec

kinda whack

[uneven mason]

I meant the damage ramping

[strong forum]

like, banner execute made me like arms execute more

over fury execute

fury executes upside is, is that you also in turn get tankier

[uneven mason]

Fury would go into execute phase dead last for damage and be at the top by the end

[strong forum]

cuz instead of spending rage on it, you spend it on IP

[uneven mason]

Back in legion

[strong forum]

ya ik

99 stacking jugg

[dusky canopy]

To me that is badass

I like that a lot

[uneven mason]

It sucks for progression and most of the foght

[sonic moon]

last bos sof brackenhide fucking slaps

tjs part 2

[uneven mason]

He does pure disease damage rite

[toxic gyro]

Legion juggernaut wasn’t very smart

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/433827794141708290/504089867982995466/kj-first_kill.PNG?width=915&height=568

[hollow hill]

We keeping our T29 4 set bonus or is it worth it to lose it to get more ilvl?

[toxic gyro]

And that was only 73 stacks I think

[sonic moon]

no she does physical damage and puts a massive healing absorb on you

was like over half of my health

[hardy snow]

it doesnt give us any dmg, so yes, it is worth to upgrade

[dusky canopy]

Would you look at that a perfect example of balance

[hardy snow]

thats not a good example if you compare 99 parses to 47 or lower

[toxic gyro]

Lol leader called for wipe when boss was at 200mil and I told him “no no, my cds are almost up”

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-joke-superman-flying-missing-the-joke-not-getting-the-joke-gif-16558902

[toxic gyro]

It was impossible to hit 99 stacks anyway

Unless almost all your dps died in execute phase and it would be just you, tanks, healers, and couple dps

[strong forum]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh

id say, you can start saccing 4pc for like 10? ilvl upgrades on 2 big items

and in raid pretty much for any ilvl upgrade

and for 2pc just sim

[hollow hill]

thank you sir

[strong forum]

maybe more ilvl for the 4pc

its SUPER hard to evaluate

but it does a decent bit

[dusky canopy]

You probably going to keep 2pc until you get new 2pc

It’s pretty great

[uneven mason]

It's still 4% dr

[strong forum]

2pc id just sim

and not care for the 4% DR

unless you wanna push bigdick stuff

but keys are looking MEGA easy

so just max ilvl tbh

[uneven mason]

Well that's generally the process

[dusky canopy]

Doesn’t seem like any really threatening tank stuff this go around

[hardy snow]

and its better to get new 4p to do such stuff anyway

[dusky canopy]

Like no TJS/Crawth level shit

[strong forum]

neltharus has some nasty boss stuff

but tbd

[uneven mason]

It's group hits though iirc

[daring marlin]

Neltharus is pretty fun

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QxKrzYEsOZw

[uneven mason]

Like breaking chains and shit stacks a dot

[sick sentinel]

true and real

[modern brook]

Have you ran it? How toxic is mammoth?

[daring marlin]

mammoth is funny

[uneven mason]

DPS check

[daring marlin]

Doing it on 16 so it's not too bad

chain guy and last boss are more stressful

[modern brook]

The crimson chain

Do you actually have to do the item mechanic on last boss yet?

[uneven mason]

Dammit I keep thinking I'm in the paladin discord when you pop in

[slim pier]

prot 4p looks giga

is it strong

badlands

lmao no

Nazmir is Underrot

[daring marlin]

Seems like people are dying to swirlies lol

they go off super fast

[slim pier]

Uldum is Vortex

Badlands is Tyr

oh it might not be

[strong forum]

yeah i think there isnt a portal to uldum

[fresh igloo]

badlands portal is near the NPC you turn in titan relics

or something like that

[slim pier]

there already is one

[fresh igloo]

obsidian enclave

[strong forum]

ah

[slim pier]

go to orgrimmar

there's a portal to uldum there

unless there's another one

[slim pier]

yeah this one here @astral atlas

see that small portal inside?

welcome

anyway, im so excited about the new mount'

it looks nice

[heavy sinew]

anyone thats got a good grasp of blacksmithing in terms of skill etc?

[slim pier]

not really but try asking

[heavy sinew]

so ive got an issue where it seems like it is impossible to garanti rank 3 alloys

[slim pier]

no idea about that

[misty moss]

Does someone want to take the time to setup BiS from m+. Like the pieces we should farm until we have the max raid gear. I’m too lazy and at work.

[slim pier]

Isn't there already one at wowhead?

the guide

[misty moss]

Nah that ain’t it

[fresh igloo]

@heavy sinew use the minor insights

[daring marlin]

last boss is retarded

[fresh igloo]

if you don't wanna fish with your khazgorite

[daring marlin]

with dumb people

[heavy sinew]

wait minor insights?

[fresh igloo]

oh you did? you're missing points somewhere then

[slim pier]

I do't even know what the last boss does

[misty moss]

I need @strong forum levels of BiS list from m+. Not a wowhead write up where they don’t use forgestorm and all that

[jagged pier]

thats literally gunna be

equip highest ilvl

[uneven mason]

We don't

[fresh igloo]

@heavy sinew your prof gear looks low, are you missing skill points there

[final mist]

BiS lists are a thing of the past

[strong forum]

legit just anything with high haste

ideally haste crit

for big sexy

i wouldnt be too focused on bis

[final mist]

No stats are as big sexy as you guys tbh

[heavy sinew]

do the other ones get better than green?

[misty moss]

I know that, I’m just lazy and want a list with item name and dungeon to farm

[strong forum]

havent looked into it

about dungeon drops

ill see it when i get there

just enjoy slamming any random key

to get crests

[uneven mason]

Warriur bis list
Focus DPS
Equip biggest number
Just Send it
Press buttons

[fresh igloo]

you want a Q5 flameproof apron, khazgorite blacksmith toolbox, and black dragon hammer

[misty moss]

Lemme know how much donation you want baby. I’ll bank roll it.

It’s worth all the 🤑

[heavy sinew]

maxed out the specialty smithing and smelting specs only missing 4 points in hammer control

[strong forum]

i just want to be happy

[dusky canopy]

Nomeratur: “Just equip big sexy bro”
May 9th 2023

[strong forum]

[misty moss]

Ha, good luck. That’s priceless

Impossible standards

[fresh igloo]

well that's 4 of the points you're missing

[heavy sinew]

do you need someone to craft those 2 other items? cant find them on AH

[strong forum]

yeah im a high tier bitch

[fresh igloo]

that plus your green prof tools probably is your issue

[uneven mason]

Yes

[fresh igloo]

yes crafting orders.

[heavy sinew]

shieet

[dusky canopy]

“High maintenance”

Actually

Big hair don’t care baby

[daring marlin]

Bring a decurse

[daring marlin]

dot trucks

[dusky canopy]

MY MAN

[strong forum]

halls of infusion is banned

[heavy sinew]

but thx for the help

[daring marlin]

My only complaint with last boss of neltharus is the treasures all do different things

learn the icons and what they do lol

also curse sux

[final mist]

Why

[strong forum]

a) looks boring as hell
b) frog boss is cancer
c) 4billion interrupts

[sick sentinel]

this one..... it scares me.....

[final mist]

Why did they add the triforce as a raid mechanic

[final mist]

[sick sentinel]

the game i play is, its literally just tanks from 1920s to 1970s

and those are "tank destroyers" armed with large powerful guns that typically only aims direction vehicle is pointed. makes tremendous booms, but penetrating, not explosive like arty

[misty moss]

So m16s drop 424, can they be upgraded all the way to 441 or do you have to get 431 from M19+ to take them to 441?

From 431 to 441 how many crests and flightstones is that? How about 424 to 441?

[daring marlin]

The latter.

[granite pond]

424 based (16s) caps at 437 I believe

loot from 17s can be maxed

17s and 19s are functionally the same in terms of maxing them, but you'll need more crests for the 17

[uneven mason]

Yeah iirc from a value per run 18s are the sweet spot

[misty moss]

Super helpful Ty

[proper roost]

just bring a prot pally and play fury

spellwarding balanced lol

[modern brook]

WHOA WHOA WHOA

GULPING GOLIATH?

THE GULP GOD?

BORING?

smh nom

[strong forum]

yesh

[daring marlin]

15 brackenhide next

this'll be a blast, surely

[honest cave]

does anyone have Avatar uptime weakaura?

[odd tree]

you forgot to post in fury

[daring marlin]

nah he did

[odd tree]

ope, i see it

[harsh haven]

Anyone know if its worth to give up the 10.0 4 pc for ilvl? an Example is I got 421 10.0 Tier gear but i got none tiered 424-428 from mythic+ i just got.

[rancid ember]

Are you raiding or M+? Raiding 4 set sucks, m+ its ok, but if its a big ilvl upg may be worth'

[hardy snow]

428 will be better

[harsh haven]

Doing both right now

I mainly m+ though

[rancid ember]

I'd prob just use ILVL 4 set smul

[harsh haven]

sounds good thanks guys!

[oak ivy]

Shield a good first craft with ench. wyrms crest?

[misty moss]

Shield yes

Go for 447

[oak ivy]

wonder what the block value will be with a 447 shield

[rancid ember]

similar to block from a 421 in 10.0

[uneven mason]

☝️

[lusty grotto]

my dudes

i got blessed by the vault gods since last week

after an entire season

last week i got icon

this week

[jaunty sierra]

GG !

[uneven mason]

Well

[lusty grotto]

pity vault but shit icon and that shit 2 weeks back to back

[uneven mason]

I'm concerned about what I'll get

[lusty grotto]

i guess my luck is gonna be shitty as fuck this season

[uneven mason]

I'm hoping that my last s1 is still shit, so I'll have good luck

[modern brook]

this is like objectively the best thing you coulda got from the vault tbh

[lusty grotto]

i know

and icon last week as well

like holy shit

[modern brook]

IDK how to read

[left basalt]

General thoughts on this trinket - bad/good?

[lusty grotto]

OH NO LOL

its back

i had forgotten about that shit

[uneven mason]

Hahaha

[left basalt]

bad?

[lusty grotto]

we had an emote for it

back then

is it still there let me check

it was this one

but it got updated i guess

[left basalt]

LOL - LITERALLY TRASH, i think that answers my question

[lusty grotto]

anyway sim it before, because im sure there have been changes

[left basalt]

yeah upgrading from 415 big toe illjust sim

ty

[uneven mason]

Didn't we have literally trash and absolute garbage

[torn gulch]

It got nerfed healing and buffed damage

[lusty grotto]

we had a few

every season it changed

[torn gulch]

Straight to the vin

[lusty grotto]

or expansion rather

[torn gulch]

Bin

[uneven mason]

Like that buffed damage is still suss

[torn gulch]

I like the buff to talisman

[lusty grotto]

if damaage got buffed it might be worth simming against 415 trinkets though

[torn gulch]

Makes it decent

[misty moss]

I give up on Eranog ring in my warrior. Got it on 2 alts at 421, but never warrior. Time to get m+ rings and cope.

[warm plinth]

Oh my God. Did I just witness literalgarbage being nerfed

[left basalt]

[modern brook]

sporepods is the reason you dont open vault in prot spec

[left basalt]

LOL

[uneven mason]

Technically it's a buff, but still literally trash

[fast ice]

where should i start for learning the m+ and raid fights from tank perspective?

don't see anything like that in pin

[lusty grotto]

youre not a first time tank though?

right?

if youre not you start learning by doing

[rancid ember]

with da leech too. you're fucking BEAT for this season

[lusty grotto]

ye

[wintry anvil]

Naraxas seems overtuned?

[fast ice]

nah not first time but I was under the impression its better to be somewhat learned on the encounters before just droppin in

[modern brook]

wowhead has some dungeon guides of dubious use. generally experience is the best teacher - you'll find what threatens you by being threatened

[lusty grotto]

for raids i suppose so

for dungeons, im just going in, some dungeons are familiar to us that we've been playing like FH/UR etc

do low keys

[pallid quiver]

"familiar to us"

Meanwhile, me who mostly skipped BFA:

[fast ice]

yeah I havent played since wrath lol

[uneven mason]

At least bolstering doesn't increase hp

[fast ice]

do you all use m+ specific addons for tanking? I am looking at mythig duneons tools atm, seems like a lot

[strong forum]

thats a route planning tool

which is only relevant for pushing keys

[uneven mason]

If you want to sort out routs

[strong forum]

if you just want to play m+ and do weekly keys

you dont need any specific addons

[uneven mason]

I use plater and configure it to make casts that are going to fuck me big and red

Or purple if it's a non standard interrupt

But to nom's point, most keys can be timed by just playing and pressing buttons

Trying fancy skips and stupidly big pulls when it's not needed, or in pugs are more likely to waste time and brick the key

[fast ice]

heard that

[prisma crane]

pulling extra shit, under control, is often much faster in pug groups

[craggy pilot]

how do you configure that? using scripts or what?

[final mist]

Skips and such are fine if everyone is on the same page, which is frequently not the case in pugs

[fast ice]

I suppose the thing I;d find most useful is a general like route, not even a specific group by group route. I have run the DF dungeons a little but the other older ones, no clue. Does that exist anywhere?

[prisma crane]

im sure they will, many of them got changed, so they'll vary from their original versions

[final mist]

Yeah there's a couple of websites that will give you a couple ideas for routes. Let me grab a link.

[prisma crane]

VP never even had a M+ season

[odd tree]

a guildie just posted this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7YvZ1LZDqQSf2Ccd3kzgHeTHt0WwB1twmqD7nuExsE/edit#gid=0

[final mist]

https://keystone.guru/routes/dragonflight/season/2

[odd tree]

i only checked the first page, seems legit, has route and video links

[final mist]

If you watch streamers and youtubers, some of then might be helpful... not a lot of good prot streamers though.

[uneven mason]

Yeah works like wa

More or less

[unkempt rover]

is 415 grapnel better than my 421 icon and 421 windscar?

[uneven mason]

[fast ice]

thanks for the help everyone

[daring marlin]

these dungeons are legit

healer dif

[unkempt rover]

nelf lair is hella overtuned

yeah, I failed a 13 nelf

but then 3 chested a 12

so things are just weird lmao

might have been healer diff

now I have a 15 rot B)

I had a feeling tyr would be freee

[warm plinth]

Whodathunkit

[daring marlin]

brackenhide is fine

your healer has to be a boss tho

and dps actually have to swap to kill the fucking totem on the last boss

a tall order

[silver heron]

is there any crafting gear we need to use spark for ?

[dusky canopy]

Shield

[sick sentinel]

anyone got a tanking plater profile?

[unkempt rover]

use quazii's!

[silver heron]

why shield ?

[strong forum]

most important defensive item

[silver heron]

i thought the one from raid tier is better then crafting

[strong forum]

gl getting it

[silver heron]

im just trying to see my option thats all

[strong forum]

its way easier to get a 447 crafted shield than the 450 from raid

[unkempt rover]

but just doing keys eh

[silver heron]

primal molten defender or Shadowed impact?

[strong forum]

primal molten

[silver heron]

with haste - crit stat corected?

[strong forum]

sounds good

[unkempt rover]

haste verse!

😮

[silver heron]

i ask about that a day or 2 ago. and was told ilvl -> haste -> crit = vers -> mastery

[dusky canopy]

Do haste Crit

Haste Vers is nub trap

You can’t get enough Vers for it to be good

[daring marlin]

Halls is fun

good dungeon

[dry spear]

So you really spending first spark on a shield. I thought weapon is the first item to get?

[karmic plinth]

forgestorm is going to be better than crafted weapon

[unreal arrow]

does ilvl of your shield make shield slam do more damage aside from the extra stats u get

[astral crystal]

more block

[strong forum]

its all about the block value

youre a tank, shield makes you the most tanky compared to any other item

a pwar without a good shield is just paper

shield ilvl determines how much % of dmg you actually block

[dry spear]

How does wacky does so much hps. Is it much?

[strong forum]

wat

i dont understand what youre asking

[dry spear]

Rwf stream

The prot warr

Maximus stream. Sorry.

[warm plinth]

HPS literally doesn't matter. You'll have relatively high HPS by just doing your rotation.

[strong forum]

he pressed last stand

thats why

no idk what you mean

like hps is just leech + ignore pain + indom

[oak ivy]

Trolling or not to recraft shield to 437?

[strong forum]

you can get it as high as 447

so its not trolling

[toxic pewter]

are you guys upgrading shield or wat

[toxic geyser]

this shield any good?

[stone pike]

Not good enough to warrant sacrificing two embellishments I believe is the consensus. Unstable Frostfire Belt is better.

[daring marlin]

last boss bracken is like new liu panda bitch

heal absorb tankbuster woohoo

[warm plinth]

You would only sacrifice one embellishment. But yes it's not good.

[strong forum]

It takes 1 Minute to proc it's dmg

5x 3.5k is not alot of dmg

That's only 300 dps

At 447 this proc is only like 5-6k

Which is still only a 3rd of what 447 frostfire belt does

[stone pike]

Oh do you get more than the 2 embellishment limit this patch?

[final mist]

No

[warm plinth]

No o_O

[stone pike]

Then I'm not sure what you mean by that. Shield and belt take up two embellishments.

[warm plinth]

You said he'd have to give up two embellishments to use the shield

[stone pike]

Oh I get what you mean. Yeah one not two.

"sacrifice having two embellishments" would have been more accurate

[pulsar locust]

Did forgestorm get nerfed? It doesn't look like it's proccing a lot

Wait no, there it goes

You have to hit the power switch on the handle

[viral axle]

Is it worth breaking 4set now for higher ilvl?

[ember tangle]

how is the class trinket for us? i feel like the damage taken increase won't be a big deal, but it will make it harder to convince the loot council

[pallid quiver]

At some point probably; if sims are working, those are your bet for that

You'll lose the defensive value that the free leech gives you, but you'll also have the strength, so it's hard to measure out defensively

[white plover]

hey guys do we have any sims after the bug """fix"""",do we still get ram?

[pallid quiver]

We were getting Battering Ram before we knew it was bugged just based on what it did

So yeah, we're still grabbing it 100% of the time

[toxic geyser]

is it 2 embellishments?

[toxic pewter]

whats the belt enchancement thing called anyone know

[fresh igloo]

Shadowed Belt Clasp?

[stone pike]

The shield? Yeah.

[fresh igloo]

not sure if anyone is able to have bought the recipe yet.

[toxic pewter]

is it available yet

gotcha

[fresh igloo]

it's on a vendor

but costs a lot of the trading bricks

[toxic pewter]

gotcha

[ember tangle]

i think the bricks are farmable, but you barely get any from treasures, you get most from the weeklies and the digs

[mighty valley]

don't they all say this and it means "you can have two embellishments"

[ember tangle]

yes

[prisma crane]

enduring dreadplate trinket any good?

[toxic geyser]

Bro

Are you silly?

[stone pike]

Right duh I'm an idiot. I forgot Lariat was so mandatory it took up one slot last patch.

Yeah I'm silly.

[toxic geyser]

A right silly sausage

[ember tangle]

lariat is no longer mandatory

[stone pike]

Ah well business as usual I don't know what I'm talking about.

[ember tangle]

you wanna get the shadowflame patch i believe

[toxic geyser]

Yeah so this is a last season spark

[stone pike]

Oh yeah that I know. They adjusted how it works to depend on how many gems you have so it dropped under others in usefulness.

[toxic geyser]

So it won’t be a shadow flame one

[cinder nova]

Can you swap at one stack instead of two on Kazz?

[left cave]

how does the gear cap work?

150 of something?

[misty moss]

2 of em

[deep sluice]

the ring of forbidden worth it ? i have a ring 424 haste crit leech and socketed look better no ?

[daring marlin]

People are legit braindead on the last boss of VP.

I'm actually in awe.

[warm plinth]

You can obtain up to 150 crest fragments of each type, each week, which amounts to 10 of each type of crest. Certain things don't count toward the cap, like quest rewards and downgrading one crest to another.

If you don't obtain all 150, it will be a cumulative cap, so you can catch up next week.

[cinder nova]

Having to hold movement CDs 2 hard brain 2 think : (

[daring marlin]

Less than that even

just hitting spacebar at .5 seconds when he's casting

[warm plinth]

Yeah, tbf though, people had a lot of trouble with that even when it had been around for an entire expansion so

[daring marlin]

You'd think the playerbase as a whole would be better skill wise. Apparently not!

[turbid shuttle]

it's day 1 lmao. obviously people are bad at mechanics

[vivid orchid]

13 years on and nothing has changed lol

[daring marlin]

??

[warm plinth]

I mean, this is a dungeon that is literally in the timewalking pool. Most people should know it by now if they're doing keys.

[turbid shuttle]

you don't learn mechanics in heroic. shit just dies.

[warm plinth]

Besides, why would you go into a key without at least reading up on it

Yeah except that mechanic is still fatal in timewalking

[daring marlin]

It'd be one thing if it happened a couple times.

Not every single time.

lol

like 5+

[vivid orchid]

that mechanic has been fatal its entire existence

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and it's easier now so

Like

No excuse lol

Even if you don't know the mechanic at all, you might pick up on the fact that the entire group is running toward one spot

[daring marlin]

It's not even the box

just static cling

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I mean, in the past it rooted you. At least you can actually move with the current one which lets you use most movement spells

[stone pike]

I'm not surprised that's still a thing. People didn't realize you could do that even when Vortex Pinnacle was current content.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Stonecore was the same way with the one boss

[vivid orchid]

they tried a lot of new things in cata

[warm plinth]

The worst boss to pug back then was definitely the big dude that you had to drag through the fire though in Blackrock

God help you if you had a tank who didn't know how to do it

[vivid orchid]

man that requires a fair bit of finesse

imagine they used BRC for s2

good god

[daring marlin]

That would've been yuge

[warm plinth]

Ngl I wouldn't be mad about seeing the dungeon again in current content, but they'd have to do SO MUCH TUNING.

[vivid orchid]

theres things in there that have never been used in an encounter design ever again

[warm plinth]

Basically every boss after the first one would be a nightmare

[stone pike]

Yeah let's bring back BRC and people dying to the aoe slash because they don't realize you're supposed to move after breaking the chain.

[vivid orchid]

people were fine in SL s2 i assume yea?

that wont be an issue

[stone pike]

Or the second boss mutating someone who doesn't realize you're supposed to move before 100 stacks

[vivid orchid]

final boss where threat = most recent, not highest for adds

creating a teleporting juggle loop between the tank and heal and dps

[warm plinth]

[vivid orchid]

and if you get near them you cannot be healed

[daring marlin]

It leaves a sick dot now if you don't jump tho

[warm plinth]

Not to mention the trash leading up to the last boss where people would 100% not stack for meteor

[daring marlin]

bring a priest to help the dumdums

[vivid orchid]

ah yea the meteor with pretty much 0 visual clarity

bang ur dead

[undone verge]

worth loosing 4 set over 6 ilvls?

[warm plinth]

Like 6 overall ilevels?

[undone verge]

no

[warm plinth]

Uh, offensively yes, defensively probably not

[toxic pewter]

so are you guys using your wyrm crests

[undone verge]

not till I can farm 18s/19s

or its like a giga trink

[warm plinth]

I would probably not use them unless I was doing at least +16s

[toxic pewter]

yeah these dungeons tougher than i expected tbh

[warm plinth]

as far as the gear I'm obtaining I mean

Obviously you don't get wyrm crests from that level

[toxic pewter]

ya

[mighty valley]

expecting some bosses to get nuked from orbit before next reset

[kind urchin]

I felt fine in all the dungeons but party and mechanics didn't.

[leaden river]

ilvl > old tier?

[deep sluice]

Onyx annulet worth it as prot vs 424 ring with BIS stats leech and socketed ?

[oak ivy]

Nelth lair last two?

moreso the third than last imo but

[warm plinth]

Easily. In raid you'll be using annulet the entire patch unless it's nerfed.

[deep sluice]

and M+ ?

[sick sentinel]

watchin new raid

they're on magmorax, i wont do there/their/they're, i'm better than that

[warm plinth]

You can sim for M+, it's hard to say.

[pallid quiver]

It'll get replaced in aoe eventually, but M+ isn't only aoe

[warm plinth]

Hi Luerce

How are you this fine afternoon

[tame blaze]

Naraxas on +16 makes me wanna myself irl

[pallid quiver]

A bug flew into my throat while biking to work

I have been dying since

[warm plinth]

Like regular biking?

[warm plinth]

I was hoping they'd tune him better this time around; he was fucking rough in Legion

[pallid quiver]

As an additional note, if bosses are really stomping people as hard as it sounds they are, you may run ST build on the ring to focus on sropping them as much as possible

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, a regular person pedaled bike

[fresh igloo]

I'm already hearing a lot of concerns about this one. probably partly people not knowing what's up, but is the tuning just bad too?

[warm plinth]

It was in the past for sure. I haven't had the chance to even log on today so I don't know from a personal standpoint.

[cinder nova]

Some people don't give a shit about wasting people's time.

I chided a couple DPS about being absolute muppets and wiping us twice.

ok
don't care

So, I cleared until the last boss and bounced. Key was a brick anyway, but if they're okay with wasting folk's time I'm gonna make sure they catch the fallout

[fallow osprey]

eh

[cinder nova]

Got flamed right as I left and sent a screenshot of his original reply

Fuck being the higher man, get low and be petty. Grind salt in that shit.

People are animals, frankly.

[crude notch]

Are we being toxic andys on day one of the new season?

[fallow osprey]

apparently

[cinder nova]

There's a difference in being toxic and someone absolutely not even doing the bare fucking minimum for a key.

Fuck those clowns.

And the people defending the behavior.

[fallow osprey]

it’s day one

[cinder nova]

Half the dungeons have been out before DF. The other half have been out all S1 and preseason.

There's legitimately no excuse not to at least try and understand the boss mechs.

I'm not asking for people to know meta routes day 1.

I'm asking them to know how to do the boss.

Fuck me, what an ask, apparently.

Being asked to open your dungeon journal is toxic, I guess

[west adder]

It´s the first day of the season, dont expect things from randoms on day one bruh, they might not have the same time and expectations like u, go find a group if randoms annoy u, but i doubt u find a good one with that attitude xd

[crude notch]

Also, the "these dungeons have been out before DF" doesn't mean everyone did the dungeons when they were current.

[warm plinth]

I would probably not say anything to them other than to maybe explain it, but I do understand being frustrated when people don't even put in the minimum of effort.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, fuck that. I'd rather just brick and move on than spoonfeed children. I'm so tired of having to think for my party by explaining shit.

It's one thing to pow-wow routes and CDs on a high key.

[crude notch]

Sounds like you need to acquire friends that have the same mindset as you so you can avoid being let down by human beings in a video game.

[cinder nova]

It's another to just be dog.

[warm plinth]

And I'm not defending the behavior either. My goal is always just to have the best experience I can since I play to have fun, not be mad. And being toxic or harsh to pugs is not the way to do that, since it literally never has a positive outcome.

[crude notch]

Your expectations aren't whats toxic.

Your reaction to people not meeting them is.

[cinder nova]

I feel being upset about your group not doing the bare minimum is pretty reasonable.

[crude notch]

Your expectations aren't whats toxic.

Your reaction to people not meeting them is.

Your actions are what is toxic.

[cinder nova]

What? Wasting some asshole's time after he flippantly dismissed the fact his duo is wasting ours?

[crude notch]

You can be upset but as Ghash said, keep it to yourself and go next.

Also, if you're setting your expectations that high on day one of the season, you're asking for let down.

[stone pike]

If I were doing high teens and 20 relatively comfortably last season where should I start this season? 10ish?

[fallow osprey]

Especially if you’re pugging

[cinder nova]

Probably between 12-14 for starting. If your group is cohesive, you can go a lot higher than you think, probably.

[crude notch]

Let's find out

[stone pike]

Pugging at the moment. I'm aiming low.

[crude notch]

@cinder nova what level key did your toxicity come from?

[cinder nova]

14 VP

[proper roost]

Lmfao

[stone pike]

I'm in Australia so most of my guild have jobs and lives the filthy degenerates.

[crude notch]

So @stone pike I'd stay away from anything 14 or higher.

[proper roost]

LMFAO

[crude notch]

So that you can avoid S

[cinder nova]

kekw

[crude notch]

BRO

NO

NO SHOT

Did you have these expectations

In a VP

NO

[proper roost]

Imagine being that much of a whiner over a 14 vp

[stone pike]

Cool cheers

[proper roost]

actually cannot even

[cinder nova]

I'm watching morons face check mechanics and then stand downwind and get cleaved by the dragon's aoe.

16 deaths before 2nd boss

[proper roost]

2k reddit ksm vibes

[crude notch]

You're mad that people didn't know the mechanics of a 13 year old dungeon?

[cinder nova]

Rogue is fistfighting the mage for lowest kicks

And no CC

[proper roost]

you're playing prot warrior you are the cc

[cinder nova]

It's not infinite.

[proper roost]

actually cannot

L m f a o

[crude notch]

13 year old dungeon.

[stone pike]

This is the one that always bugs me. You might not know a dungeon but did your brain fall out overnight? Why did the start of S2 make you forget how kicks and cc work?

[cinder nova]

And watching people just let rally kicks go out

Check the above. Day 1 mentality means people can just be apes and get excused for it. Like a license for shitty play, tbh.

[proper roost]

what was ur io in s1 lmfao

[cinder nova]

2730

[proper roost]

LMFAO

[crude notch]

13 year old dungeon.

Why doesn't everyone know the mechanics in the dungeons

[proper roost]

I HAVE ACTUAL TEARS

IN MY EYES

gn prot never change

[daring marlin]

lmao

+17 NL

I am ready for pain

[cinder nova]

Remember to take the red nose and rainbow wig off, and kiss the ringmaster

[crude notch]

I'd venture to say most current WoW players weren't playing when VP was current.

[cinder nova]

Don't need to be playing Cata to read a dungeon journal.

[daring marlin]

hey JORDAN

JORDAN

JORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDAN

[crude notch]

Sup

[daring marlin]

I was only annoyed cuz they died to the same thing 5+ times

😉

[cinder nova]

It's literally as simple as this...

1. Oh man, I want to do a key day 1. What key should I do? I know, I'll do X.
2. Read the mechanics on X
3. Queue for X
4. Execute mechanics for X
5. Collect loot, io, and crests

[daring marlin]

Neltharus is the best dungeon.

[warm plinth]

Naraxas is about to do painful things to you

[daring marlin]

Halls is ezpz too.

[daring marlin]

JOKE'S ON YOU

I'M GONNA WAIT TIL THEY FIX IT

[cinder nova]

Is it overtuned? Does a fuckload of group damage, but you can meme the tongue on the eggs.

[daring marlin]

17 VP was bad enough. I ain't going into NL.

Halls and Neltharus are legit fantastic dungeons. I love them.

[crude notch]

S, I think you're very confused or just blinded with rage.

Once again

[pallid quiver]

Oh I forgot due to hacking a lung; hi Ghash, how's your afternoon been?

[daring marlin]

Good chance he is, in fact, flying into a rage right now.

[hushed cobalt]

Something on naraxas can be reflected, idk what but I remember the reflect sound during it. I think

[cinder nova]

Where in that 5-step list did anything look out of place?

[crude notch]

Your expectations are not inherently toxic.
Your reactions to people not meeting those expectations are.

[warm plinth]

So far so good. At work 🙃

[crude notch]

YOU ARE FAILING TO READ.

[warm plinth]

I believe the poison application is reflectable, but from what I remember it's randomly targeted

[crude notch]

Your expectations ARE NOT TOXIC.

[cinder nova]

I fundamentally disagree.
I think a lot of people are genuinely too stupid to act without shame or reprisal.

[vivid orchid]

that sounds about right

[crude notch]

Your reactions to people not meeting those expectations on day one ARE.

[cinder nova]

There is absolutely a point where you need to just shame someone for their behavior and lack.

[crude notch]

No

there isn't

And who are you to be the one to do it?

[cinder nova]

Sure, why not. Agree to disagree, I've had to coddle people and they never learn.

[crude notch]

No that's not how it works it's not flame them or coddle them.

Those are extremes.

[cinder nova]

Jordan, I'm gonna be transparent, you are absolutely wasting your energy.

1000%.

[crude notch]

I'm not using any energy

So

I'm piss vibing mate.

[cinder nova]

Like I said, agree to disagree.
I can be patient with pugs that can at least admit mistake and take it on the chin.
When someone doesn't give a shit and wastes my time? Yeah fuck that asshole.

Make 'em suffer.

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[noble wind]

When does it make sense to break the 4 set from season 1?

[cinder nova]

When sim says it's better, I guess.

[daring marlin]

prolly 428 pieces

[cinder nova]

I'm gonna guess that you're gonna need a quartet of items that both outbudget it and overcome the value of the 4p

[warm plinth]

Offensively, anything is gonna be an upgrade that's higher ilevel

But in M+ especially, 4p is quite strong

[cinder nova]

I'm trying to remember, why did TMI fall off?

[warm plinth]

TMI?

[cinder nova]

Theck-Meloree Index

[warm plinth]

Oh idk what that is

[cinder nova]

Was a metric to measure how smooth a tank's damage intake was.

[warm plinth]

Oh, wasn't that just an Ask Mr. Robot thing?

Which has always been a meme

[cinder nova]

Not a clue.

[kind urchin]

It calculated effective health and damage intake based on mitigation, avoidance and buffs available.

[fresh igloo]

it did not originate from AMR

it originated from Theck and Meloree

sad day when Theck quit making wow content

[cinder nova]

I assume, then, nobody has picked up the torch and ran with it.

[kind urchin]

Didn't Cider originally start working on those calculations?

[cinder nova]

Not that it'd really matter, I suppose. Tank deaths are usually easily traced to some fault of play.

[warm plinth]

Well it's never really been a good metric regardless because you can't calculate intake smoothness in a vacuum because there are too many variables. DPS is simmable because the only variable is uptime, and even then it's not a perfect metric in real scenarios.

[timber terrace]

It's a bad metric with lots of maths into it, basically something made by someone who loves maths more then playing the game

[kind urchin]

Now it seems that you're either not taking any damage or you're dead. It seems more based on CD rotation and usage and less on gearing.

[crude notch]

TMI was traded in for EHRPS.

[warm plinth]

Which still isn't a perfect metric but at least it's based on the encounter you're actually participating in rather than in a vacuum.

[crude notch]

yea

[timber terrace]

Ehrps is an even worse metric that added 2 non homogenous metrics to get a number that had about as much value as me saying your health is age +bmi

I mean krsi when it was on wclogs

[kind urchin]

Wasn't there ETMI for a little while that you could use with SimC and plug in a specific encounter?

[crude notch]

ye

[timber terrace]

In the end these metrics are mostly useless because you're not gonna tank a boss to death in the end if you want to be valuable you need to find the balance between staying consistently alive, damage and utility

[warm plinth]

Agreed

[stone pike]

Underrot wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I will need to figure out some safe skips though clearing a straight path put me at ~110%

[crude notch]

Underrot is so free

[warm plinth]

A lot of folks skip the bridge at the beginning

[crude notch]

Timer is giga

[warm plinth]

or did in BFA anyway

You kill the middle pack and the maggots, then shroud/invis down the right side

[crude notch]

They put in extra worm boys Ghash

In the last part

[warm plinth]

Oh?

[crude notch]

That skelly pull on the right in the arena has one in the middle

[warm plinth]

what

the fuck

[stone pike]

The one I noticed is the final pack. There's a worm between the two giants

[crude notch]

And the two destroyers at the end have one in between them.

[warm plinth]

wait so you have to fight the two giants and a worm?

[crude notch]

ye

Ye

[warm plinth]

Whose fucking idea was that

they should be fired

[crude notch]

And you can't hug the right anymore

Because there's a worm

moved over

[cerulean tusk]

my old skips

ruined

[warm plinth]

ffs man

There's not even like, good shit to pull with the worms really either

in that area

so you're just killing individual mobs

Big fun

[mighty valley]

(me after reading dungeon journal for five minutes) I definitely know every mechanic on every trash pack and 3-5 bosses and I'm not going to forget any of them. Time to hop into a key and berate other people

[cerulean tusk]

sounds good to me

[sick sentinel]

Didnt see it in pins, am I upgrading frostfire belt first?

[crude notch]

That extremely detailed dungeon journal got me covered.

[cerulean tusk]

Can't wait to have the tanks rage and leave, because I did not interrupt something that isn't even interruptable.

My favourite was in DoS, first pull, the swirly wirly on the ground that you dodged. He got hit, screamd at us. Left the group The good ol' memories

Note, he did not die - he just got hit by it

[stone pike]

I don't miss the age of the fragile ego tank. Those people were the worst.

[pallid quiver]

Age? It's still going strong

[sullen gust]

So I don't have a raid group, and so am looking to try and farm up the best gear I can from M+. Does anyone have recommendations on which dungeons would be most beneficial to target? I was thinking Neltharis as it has Forgestorm, a shield until I can craft mine to max rank, and the flame tentacle trinket.

[urban portal]

that sounds good

[warm plinth]

Considering this is the first day of a new season, pretty much anything is going to be an upgrade. I wouldn't worry about targeting dungeons at this point. Remember that getting a trinket in a lower dungeon doesn't mean much because you can't upgrade it past the track it's from, which means you'll have to get it again at a higher ilevel later on anyway.

[stone pike]

Is it? They seem less prone to tantrums than, say, Shadowlands in my experience.

[sullen gust]

Thats a good point! Plus I wouldn't wanna spend my luck now and never get a drop I'd like a second time 😂

[mighty valley]

Also do yourself a favor and calculate the probability number per run of getting an item you want, it's sobering

The best thing you can do is try not to get bored/frustrated/burnt out

[warm plinth]

Also keep in mind that Neltharion's Lair likely has a much bigger loot pool than the rest of the dungeons due to the huge pools of Legion dungeons. I don't know how the others compare but the Dragonflight ones at least will be much smaller.

[sullen gust]

I didnt even consider that tbh

[tame blaze]

I think Neltharion’s has our best trinket outside of raid after the buffs. It’s simming 2nd best for me overall on dungeon slice.

[sullen gust]

Is that the mutated magmammoth scale?

Wait

No the dargul landslide one?

[toxic pewter]

any1 know if theres a portal to neltharians lair

[warm plinth]

We don't use dungeon slice for this spec. We do not have a proper APL created for it.

[warm plinth]

From what I'm told, you'll have to take the Org portal, then the Broken Isles Dalaran portal.

[toxic pewter]

lame

[crude notch]

dal hearth

[lusty grotto]

ill take what i can get

[vestal torrent]

nelth lair worm boss

[lusty grotto]

need to try it out

[vestal torrent]

hurt?

[lusty grotto]

lots of magic attacks

can reflect retch

[vestal torrent]

tbh it's not me that's having trouble living

it's like everyone else

[lusty grotto]

oh overall

yeah some bosses feel overtuned

but its also week 1

altairus rings a bell

hurt like fuck if people dont do downwind

[daring marlin]

dragon and last boss both

[vestal torrent]

trueee

[lusty grotto]

and asaad's add

[daring marlin]

imo

[lusty grotto]

has way too much hp

it kinda felt the add was the problem on last boss

everything else is jumpable

[daring marlin]

It was a problem but

[lusty grotto]

static cling is funny though

[daring marlin]

last group I was in we only cleared it cuz I was strategically giving the rogue freedom

[lusty grotto]

some people CANNOT jump it

[daring marlin]

cuz he couldn't jump

[misty moss]

is Zaqali a BiS trinket for us?

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if pugging high tyran vortex, the play is to bring all evokers/DHs lol

they can do static cling by breathing

heavy breathing on the space bar

[warm plinth]

Didn't they even increase the cast time? I remember it was a bit rough in Cata because it was very fast

[lusty grotto]

feels like it

but also it was needed cause i feel its easy to not pay attention to cast bars while add is up

i kinda miss intervening azerite shots on Kragg

good thing you can still do it on eudora

[astral crystal]

tried brackenhide on a 19

what in the world

[errant oriole]

How's the keys going guys?

[misty moss]

what is the BiS Trinket setup - Beacon + Nelth call?

[unkempt hatch]

I got my warrior to 409 wooo

[uneven mason]

IDK

[unkempt hatch]

But also might have to gear my DH for raid because missing that buff

[misty moss]

gz

[delicate forum]

Btw this season has so many bleed tank buster mobs

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[uneven mason]

What this raid has is cock sucking trash that has to be kciked or they "Randomly" nuke DPS for 90k 10 at a time

[lusty grotto]

i hate it but i love it

cause it sounds funny af

[delicate forum]

Apparently ppl don't kick in raids😅

[plush tendon]

we got our first 20 and a 447 shield bois

[warm plinth]

wow, lucky

congrats

[plush tendon]

havnt left my chair since servers came up except for some Chinese food 😄

[warm plinth]

[plush tendon]

just hope for Freeholds and Underrots

and fuck Nathan's Liar

[warm plinth]

I don't even know when I can get my first key done this week

Depends on if friends are available in the wee hours

[delicate forum]

Gratz!! Which 20 did you clear

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah UR has a shield huh

[plush tendon]

no, we just have the 20

gonna wait till afte raid this week

[misty moss]

worth upgrading and using yeah?

[plush tendon]

but its a Neltharus

[warm plinth]

I assume FH and UR probably have fairly small loot pools too

[plush tendon]

yea, but dungeon loot is poop

[warm plinth]

Well, can get shield and weapon at least

[plush tendon]

havnt replaced a single piece

[delicate forum]

I definitely feel like there's a ton of healing checks in season 2 in general

[urban portal]

its just a burst damage trinket

[delicate forum]

They replaced swirlies with unavoidable AOE dmg

[urban portal]

that was their intent yes

[sick sentinel]

final boss looks fun....

[delicate forum]

Plus this season have so many cleaves/frontals/aoe vicinity dmg abilities

[misty moss]

thx, so not bad if you only have 415 trinkets - but not great comparatively

[delicate forum]

And my dps alts are all melee😅

[urban portal]

yeah i wouldnt say upgrading it is a good idea

but def worht using

[icy bane]

just bricked a brakenhollow

holy shit is that dungeon pain for prot war LOL

[daring marlin]

hallelujah

rerolled 17 NL to UR

[stone pike]

I did not predict that Brackenhide's last boss would be the pug killer. This moron keeps ignoring the totems and killing us.

[sick sentinel]

bro wtf was that cinematic for killing the final boss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVZVCoaxM4

it reminded me of this cutscene

[lusty grotto]

bro spoilers

[unkempt rover]

1.2m I reckon?

[tame blaze]

Yeah, Mark of Dargrul is simming higher than beacon for me in ST now.

[cinder nova]

@astral atlas lemme see that screenie

[fast knot]

Sick instance crash

I just wanna kill Rashok

[velvet delta]

is there a WA to track your 4p proc for bloodthirst?

[buoyant drift]

Hey guys! Speaking of Rashok... That combo, does taunting during a cast his tank busters change the target. I know we cant take more than one of a type. he swings three times i think

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming that was intended for #fury

[velvet delta]

oh whoops sorry

[cinder nova]

the bis one

[crude notch]

Maybe you should read the dungeon journal on how to search in discord.

[daring marlin]

Jordan so catty

[cinder nova]

Yeah I found it initially

Forgot there was a search feature

[toxic pewter]

literally same here LOL

general tsos and lomein

[plush tendon]

Spareribs and Lomein

[toxic pewter]

XD

😄

[dusky canopy]

Guys holy shit

worm in nelths is insane

it is smoking my team on a 15 LOL

[warm plinth]

Spread out, move out of poison pools fast, don't let adds get to boss (or let someone get eaten).

[dusky canopy]

Yeah pretty much i think our shaman being 407 is causing a bit of stress for him

the rocks are hitting us for like 80k each

and then on top of that the poison ticking

[sick sentinel]

407 sounds relatively low ilvl

[dusky canopy]

yeah its a main swap for the season

[vivid orchid]

fuck this boss btw

[sick sentinel]

i just dont feel like spend bunch of gold on 70 heirloom

i calculated the main items id want 70 heirlooms is 113k for armorpiecesc prolly 40k for remaininy weapons id use

[scenic mural]

heirlooms are dog now anyways

[daring marlin]

ez boss lol

[vivid orchid]

ez for me.. not so much everyone else lol

[lusty grotto]

did people not pick up the coins or something?

[vivid orchid]

no they did

[lusty grotto]

and blast her shield

[sick sentinel]

i find it amazing that we have 6 cloaks heirloom and 3 of them are crit haste and none is mastery

[vivid orchid]

they tried and failed often

[lusty grotto]

lol weird

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wat lvp ppl get masyery now but

[cinder nova]

That BIS includes M+ gear, yeah?

[lusty grotto]

its single target bis

iirc

[cinder nova]

Oh, that much I know.

It just looks like it's all raid gear, is all.

[lusty grotto]

yeah just saying that in case others are seeing it

[crude notch]

kappa

[lusty grotto]

some of it you will use for keys for sure

[crude notch]

just admit you misread

[warm plinth]

Level 10 is when people get mastery now I believe, but some specs don't get the whole thing right away. Like I believe elemental shaman gets part of their mastery later on.

[crude notch]

you used to not get mastery until later so having it on heirlooms felt bad, but now you get it right away (when you select your spec) ye

[cinder nova]

Do you know if there's an M+ version? 🤔

I know mooo links it any chance they get

But I dunno if it's two separate ones or just one they keep refining

[tender quartz]

I forgot that US is already live, had a long sleep. Are 17s spammable or how's your guys M+ experience so far?

[lusty grotto]

should be similar, trinkets might swap

just sim

its what he does anyway

[cinder nova]

Don't you use different rings

[lusty grotto]

probably

[crude notch]

Use the dungeon journal 🙂

[lusty grotto]

welp there you go

[potent sparrow]

is there a current bis list I should shoot for in general?

[warm plinth]

Whatever is higher ilevel

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[potent sparrow]

I mean, certain items are going to be better if I upgrade them right?

just like a wishlist thing so I know what content I should be targetting

[daring marlin]

wish every dungeon was neltharus and halls

[warm plinth]

Raid is the content you should be targeting if you want actual bis stuff, since the best trinkets and highest ilevel gear comes from there.

[daring marlin]

NL is for sure catching a bunch of nerfs

[dusky canopy]

Last boss nelth do you kite the add around or focus it?

[torn gulch]

you get damage for every step right?

[dusky canopy]

yes

[torn gulch]

then you focus it i think

[daring marlin]

DPS should focus it

him hitting wall makes him take more dam

[sweet jackal]

Anyone tried the new shield embelishment yet?

[plush tendon]

I know its first day

but lets go

[cinder nova]

Grats, though

[plush tendon]

counts

[cinder nova]

Now all you gotta do is maintain it

[tender quartz]

Quit the Season now

Say "Ended as #1"

On xx.xx date. #lifehacks

[plush tendon]

also, last boss Nathan's liar

spell reflect is king

use on Molten Crash

[lusty grotto]

yup

legion players should know this already

[warm plinth]

It's so wholesome seeing the newbies (to that content) learning our tricks

[lusty grotto]

ahem its also on the pinned blockable / reflectable sheet by Master Sense

[plush tendon]

hey, im the best warrior for the next.... like 20 minutes

[lusty grotto]

indeed indeed

[warm plinth]

Today's warriors have it so easy. Back in my day we had to have Shield Block up for that mechanic or we'd get yeeted

And for a brief time, if I spell reflected it, the boss would get yeeted

[lusty grotto]

lol

[south zodiac]

is spell reflect working on rashok?

[timber wasp]

Does anyone know what time patch is?

[wary orbit]

Am I missing something, or is crit simming better than anything else right now?

[crude notch]

what patch? new season started.

[timber wasp]

Oh shit okay

When did it start? damn

I thought it was normally like 8am or smt

[crude notch]

oh you're EU

@timber wasp are you EU or?

[warm plinth]

Crit always sims better than everything else unless you have a metric ton of it

It's pretty much always our best offensive stat

[crude notch]

wait it's also started for EU

[timber wasp]

EU

[crude notch]

started like 7 minutes ago