Fair enuff
#protection
cerulean tusk
toxic pewter
Should just play what you find fun, no telling what the new season brings
mortal brook
I find being strong and doing big numbers is fun
crude notch
is that why you play bear?
lament shell
agree
sick sentinel
ive never really played bear personally
toxic pewter
Every tank is strong enough these days
Human error is more of an issue than the tank design themselves
topaz field
i mean having dark claws not fixed an entire season is also a human error
topaz field
ye for prot warrirs
toxic pewter
Nah every tank is fine
topaz field
and some other tanks it might be fine
i didnt find it fine when i got oneshot on tyra with dampen up
toxic pewter
Nah, comes a time when every person and every tank has to take responsibility
topaz field
its fine they said an ability with 1 second cast time
toxic pewter
Gotta stop blaming reality
topaz field
we legit depleted 15-20 high tjs keys on dark claws
next time ill tell my team apb said
it was fine
jagged pier
ppl forgetting their S key is the biggest defensive in the game 
topaz field
i think theyll understand then that its there mistake
toxic pewter
Well yeah there are ways that every tank can deal with every situation
topaz field
oh yea press s on a trash pack where other lethal ability are proximity
potent gulch
ppl forgetting their S key is the biggest defensive in the game <:sadge:82020236...
sbg moves.
toxic pewter
Quote me on that
toxic gyro
i mean having dark claws not fixed an entire season is also a human error
You can outrange them very easily…
toxic pewter
We are the leaders. At the end of the day if we are dead, we only have ourselves to blame
topaz field
it just seemed to me that blizzard simply could not fix tjs
toxic pewter
That goes for every tank
topaz field
because its too old
toxic gyro
Only gaze couldn’t be avoided besides ccs
topaz field
same for sbbg
my fist of fury sill cannot hit bonemaw
unless im in his asshole
but its fine apd said
meanwhile they are able to fix the new dungeons
toxic pewter
Yeah I’m too old and tired to blame external factors for my poor gameplay
I invite you to join me in this mindset
topaz field
best thing is they had a bluepost
we fixed bonemaws hitbox
but ye they only fixed it for the first 20 seconds of the encounter
as soon as the boss dove once its bugged again
strong forum
his hitbox before first burrow was always fixed
strong forum
the fix they applied was that they moved the hitbox after first burrow a bit closer
but not close enough
uneven mason
battering ram
strong forum
which is even worse
they touched upon the correct thing, just not nearly enough
but then called it fixed
topaz field
but then called it fixed
same for last boss in nougat i remember the bluepost in early januaryy
and people still got ran over by his ass
topaz field
in may*
strong forum
crude notch
Bartusz morning that rough aye?
topaz field
nah its fine xD
its just that im sad
because i enjoy m+ very much
and often times its bad from start to finish of a season
which is disappoiting
i should rather go swimming then instead xD
crude notch
awk
topaz field
and i was always a big doubter of reintroducing old dungeons
crude notch
yes it's highly advised that if you don't enjoy something that's designed for entertainment to well, not consume it.
crude notch
however, apb was right, if you somehow think no one kited that pack in TJS you're just wrong
topaz field
bro
toxic pewter
? I have some fun times in the old dungeons
I’m excited to see a cata dungeon return
I think it’s cool
daring marlin
all old dungeons were trash
Agree minus HoV.
topaz field
however, apb was right, if you somehow think no one kited that pack in TJS you'r...
our bear was running for his life but on 25/26 u eventually meet a point
daring marlin
HoV post changes is a fuckin' banger.
topaz field
where u have to kill shit as well
or you are out of time
or people die to aggro
if your tank is at the entrance already
crude notch
sounding like a skill issue
topaz field
ye looks like
crude notch
crude notch
Pink man stinks 📉
daring marlin
New tier is generally worse for them too. KEKW REROLLERS
crude notch
time to play prot nerds
daring marlin
they both still feel gr8
hushed bluff
is protection war good for new season mythic plus?
crude notch
yes
toxic pewter
Hell yeah we are
toxic pewter
Lol
crude notch
lol
crude notch
people are so stubborn about kiting i swear
uneven mason
it's not even kiting, it's just, back up
crude notch
ye
stone pike
Did another AV 20. I think that first healer was just bad. Second time around was much smoother.
uneven mason
"Oh void fistfuck inc, gonna not be part of that"
same with Dark Claw
"it's got a 8 yard range"
just - back - up
sick sentinel
fort freehold and undersuck will take some pugs by surprise, trust me
source, ksm bfa
stone pike
My problem was I never even realized you could back up from certain mechanics. They're not exactly telegraphed as being dodgable.
Mortal hew/dark claw to name a couple
uneven mason
My problem was I never even realized you *could* back up from certain mechanics....
Yup, most of us didn't know that for half the season
sick sentinel
like, in freehold, the section across the final bridge
sick sentinel
all of that trash, has the capacity to go very wrong
uneven mason
Because bears can melee at like 11 range
uneven mason
The hardest mechanic in freehold is going to be dealing with Rout lords
sick sentinel
the pull before final boss is always gross on fort, regardless
uneven mason
"WTF ARE YO UDOING PULL THE 7 PACKS UP TOP SO WE CA NSKIP THE OENS BY BOSS 2"
crude notch
Well
uneven mason
the pull before final boss is always gross on fort, regardless
You mean the one that you universally skip
crude notch
The first shocker is when people go to pull harlan
uneven mason
Did they finally link the trash near him?
sick sentinel
You mean the one that you universally skip
you CAN pull it, for 5 head pug groups %
daring marlin
Nokhud lightning boss area was one I didn't realize at first
arcing slash
took like two runs
"WHY DO THESE IDIOTS HIT SO HARD"
uneven mason
Because you're standing in a non telegraphed AE
crude notch
Did they finally link the trash near him?
yeah, unless they removed it in the last week.
uneven mason
Oh ok that honestly makes the pathing much easier
Because theres a lot more mobs you can skip earlier since routlords won't be crying about doing that pull
sick sentinel
put people on block who use an actual interrupt on "painful motivation" after being told not to
shit does like literal 30-60% of their HP
crude notch
not anymore.
uneven mason
put people on block who use an actual interrupt on "painful motivation" after be...
you mean the cast that is gone
like legit doesn't do that anymore
sick sentinel
oh damn, they really did change this stuff quite a bit then
uneven mason
yes
uneven mason
they removed the damage
crude notch
it's still there
topaz field
which makes it still best trash in the dungeon
uneven mason
all of it?
sick sentinel
ah, i figured blizzard was gunna be really lazy about it and do a a 1 for 1
crude notch
it just does nothing
sick sentinel
real talk no kap
uneven mason
ah, i figured blizzard was gunna be really lazy about it and do a a 1 for 1
You haven't been paying attention all Xpac?
crude notch
this is what it does now https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=257899/painful-motivation
uneven mason
they're actually making "Fun game" and not "Neckbeard sweaty" game
stone pike
ah, i figured blizzard was gunna be really lazy about it and do a a 1 for 1
They've been pretty proactive about bringing dungeons up to modern standards. The first boss in Jade Temple for example got several mechanics changed.
sick sentinel
see now, i actually quit in panda
uneven mason
They've been pretty proactive about bringing dungeons up to modern standards. Th...
That literally made it broken in non M+ versions of the dungeon 👍
sick sentinel
so, i don't know what they changed but i know that they did
sick sentinel
and i dont have a reference point like i do with VP and bfa dungeons
uneven mason
could you imagine if mise mari stayed old version in M+.
The timesink
sick sentinel
like, i understand how old VP works pretty well for the most part
ran it as melee, and as tank and probably as healer, actually was doing all my characters at that point
im still scared of wiping to some bullshit in VP, but i know how it works from multiple angles and i still like it regardless
crude notch
i'm apologizing in advance yogi
sick sentinel
but for instance legion dungeons
zero fucking clue, at all.
unless i ran it in TW, saw it on a stream/yt
topaz field
They've been pretty proactive about bringing dungeons up to modern standards. Th...
the amount of times i died to proximity in tjs tells me something different
u couldnt place an earth elemental in that dungeon or everyone got slapped
you tell the tanks to kite but then i get a rising sun kick from sha touched guardians everytime the tank is more than 10 y away
im using flying serpant kick near the stairs and die to aggro because the enemies behind the door are programmed in a wrong way and i ninja through the door
and u try to convince me they are giving their best?
uneven mason
Was that not supposed to make sense
sick sentinel
bartusz yogi postin
uneven mason
Seriously
sick sentinel
im also slightly confused
uneven mason
Natural state
sick sentinel
i have no idea what ur talking about earth elemental thingy
but im not a shaman, shaman makes the least sense of any class to me
oh wait, monk is almost as dumb to me, i played it in shadowlands leveling and had a very fun time as brew
strong forum
when Yogi says you're Yogi postin
sick sentinel
hes my monk
im not sure if there are "lamp oil" and "ropes" and "bombs" transmogs, so i settled for "rubies"
tired girder
When are we able to create the new tier sets?
proper roost
Catalyst isn't until 6 weeks in
crude notch
June 13th.
proper roost
just pug heroic tbh!
sick sentinel
all day service today i think i heard someone say right
i was hearing 6 hours, looks like 4
proper roost
very opposite of what you said
just look at the bnet launcher
toxic pewter
Yah ends at 11 am pst now. Was originally estimated 1 pm pst
sick sentinel
i just swore i heard someone saying it was 6 hours and if its gunna be 6 hours fuck it peace till 6 pm or so lol
ill go oustside touch grass head to store or somethin
olive bay
Is there a tanking WA for Aberrus yet? For taunt swaps?
uneven mason
Did you check wago
olive bay
I didn't - I figured I'd ask here to see if there was one that most people were using first, in case there was a more "standard" version
urban bane
There is
Causese usually links this from their general Aberrus WA package for the record
astral crystal
those co-tank auras are good usually
urban bane
Yeah I feel like causese doesn’t lead you wrong but your mileage may vary 🤷🏻♂️
modern brook
i ended up not using it, i joined some guild re-prog group for their b team and spent 8 hours reprogging her
uneven mason
WA is great let's me trim so much from bossmods
astral crystal
undone verge
i ended up not using it, i joined some guild re-prog group for their b team and ...
Oof
olive bay
i mean is it hard to look ate your co tanks frame
Well, for me.. I haven't tanked since Onyxia attunement BRD runs in 2005. So I have enough things to focus on
undone verge
At least I got it tho
modern brook
8^) literally never punished
jagged pier
i mean thats literally your focus as a tank
astral crystal
i put the co-tank aura on top of the target frame, just saves some visual real estate
daring marlin
i ended up not using it, i joined some guild re-prog group for their b team and ...
punished bullfango
jagged pier
like every teir im told i need x or y WA packs
astral crystal
and keeps things tidy
jagged pier
and i never have them
olive bay
Sure, but if I can make it easier, why wouldn't I want to do that?
modern brook
punished bullfango
guilf, im already a demon
undone verge
I usually end up spending long enough on a fight while the dps figure it out that it becomes muscle memory when to taunt
olive bay
My guild's tanks tend to die... a lot. And not because of the healers
jagged pier
then thats them being bad
olive bay
I agree
We all know it
That's why I'm probably swapping Warrior this tier - rogue is looking shaky and I love playin Fury. I'll tank keys and probably wind up taking over as a raid tank in a few weeks
undone verge
The guild that I linked last night during race to world last had a .7% wipe before they called raid because the bdk let the tank buster go off
As well both tanks were doing sub 40k
They had 2 other 1-3% wipes that were kills but the prot warrior let the tank mechanic go off
jagged pier
.7% before rest
uneven mason
That's why I'm probably swapping Warrior this tier - rogue is looking shaky and ...
This is how I've gotten every tank spot in a guild I'm not leading
Be the backup and then show the guild how bad their primary tank is
olive bay
The issue is, they know
There's been a tank swap already (there was two last tier)
And the guy who's taking it isn't the most reliable
So I'll more than likely swap in without much of an issue and he'll move back to WW
undone verge
.7% before rest <:sadge:820202363359854633>
The guild I’m in had a team that had a 200k wipe on jailer before reset and didn’t kill it
final mist
Jesus
undone verge
Then they had like almost 500 pulls on rasz without seeing p2.5 and disbanded this tier b4 getting CE
jagged pier
Then they had like almost 500 pulls on rasz without seeing p2.5 and disbanded th...
jesus
daring marlin
Then they had like almost 500 pulls on rasz without seeing p2.5 and disbanded th...
How often did they raid?
uneven mason
500pulls
daring marlin
you didn't understand the question
undone verge
How often did they raid?
Tues/Wed/mon 7-10
daring marlin
per usual ikarikaze
jagged pier
Tues/Wed/mon 7-10
MONKA
uneven mason
I mean not taking away, the fact that they got to mythic raz is fucking baller
Oh
That many hi
What
uneven mason
I take it back 9 hours a week
uneven mason
That's some choke a donkey level of flipperhand
daring marlin
that's nightmare fuel tbh
final mist
uneven mason
you didn't understand the question
Per usual I wasn't replying to you
daring marlin
setting aside three of your nights a week to bash your head
daring marlin
Per usual I wasn't replying to you
It's okay, dude. We know you're exceptional.
undone verge
This was both teams combined, we had something like 207 wipes before we killed it
daring marlin
final mist
It's nice to see that as much h as things change, they also stay the same
uneven mason
don't you guys do that in this discord already
I only waste company time in discord
jagged pier
no comment
proper roost
what would the mental for that kind of raid be like
they are at the verge of giving up and disbanding constantly, but every month there's a new raz nerf that makes them want to continue
Gotta respect it
undone verge
They killed diurna Feb 22nd, and disbanded early April/late March
Their best pull was a p2 wipe at third shield after 380 some wipes
proper roost
They got 500 pulls in over 2 months? Wtf
Oh
All of them are p1 wipes...
holy despairge...
undone verge
Then the rasz nerf came out and they raided for one day without seeing p1.5
edgy venture
is there are an up to date spell reflect tracker?
proper roost
Honey log on for your 3 day a week wipe to the very first set of sparks 
final mist
is there are an up to date spell reflect tracker?
I'm sure it'll come Soon™️, WAs and such usually take a bit
urban bane
do we have a % damage loss for fix to battering ram?
jagged pier
8-11%
urban bane
🫠
toxic pewter
Dang that bug fix costing us 10% of our overall dps?
sage ice
holy shit for real???
toxic pewter
That’s more than I was expecting
sage ice
what was the bug?
undone verge
Is this s2 or from s1 too?
daring marlin
all of S1 it was happening
sage ice
oh wow
undone verge
toxic pewter
Ngl feels bad to start off new season feeling weaker but fixing the bug was the right thing to do obviously
daring marlin
nome broke the news the other day
urban bane
yeah right thing to do. but yeah it doesnt feel great Big Sadga
modern brook
did they fix it with no compensation?
undone verge
Just leave the bug in, we’re still only like the third best tank in terms of dps with the bug
toxic pewter
Apparently no compensation
sage ice
for early S2 progression I might be dropping battering ram for disrupting shout
jagged pier
no
daring marlin
Just leave the bug in, we’re still only like the third best tank in terms of dps...
Not really true. Only bear would be more damage.
jagged pier
u drop SoF
sage ice
I feel like the need for "oh shit aoe interrupt" is gonna be important in early pugs
jagged pier
if u want to take disrupting shout
daring marlin
When the raid is on farm, sure.
I'll be honest
I always forget about monk
so monk and bear
my bad
sage ice
i'll be honest, the pull to roll a prot pally is strong.
daring marlin
It's fun but prot warrior is still fun
thorny stone
I'll never reroll from pwarrior, and if pwarrior gets deleted as a spec I'll drop the game.
undone verge
Prot still the best tank in terms of design imo
sage ice
i love my prot warrior but it's a real drag to have no utility for several new affixes this season
undone verge
It’s not a straight dps rotation for dps sake the BM, and it’s not a rotation where you have to sacrifice dps for survivability like bdk
You just do the right rotation and you take less dmg and do more dmg
sage ice
can't wait to get the new tier set. Seems like a much better overall benefit than S1 tier
4 piece plus bolster 👌
misty moss
I’m really looking forward to the tier set
daring marlin
S1 tier is snoozeville
toxic pewter
Yah the new set gonna be hella fun
Really happy they buffed it so much
The original set was so weak
misty moss
Also excited about new dungeon rotation and even Think it’s smart they gave a reason to actually prog Mythic Raid now
jagged pier
not sure how it gave SoF synergy but ok
misty moss
Get 441 through M+ or 450 from Mythic Raid - seems fair
sage ice
not sure how it gave SoF synergy but ok
Cycling revenge to keep Vanguard's Determination and boosting Thunder Clap dmg is much stronger than just SoF's benefit alone
jagged pier
i mean its like 1% even that actual damage increase
ppl overvalue it like crazy
we take it because in general its better than TLs and shout
and u want vigor because thats like 5% damage
well and ITF or HR as well
like if u need shout u drop SoF or instigate depending if your doing a dungeon or a boss
then even on a boss u swap to SD over SoF
strong forum
Cycling revenge to keep Vanguard's Determination and boosting Thunder Clap dmg i...
while thats true, its also fact that you dont pay attention to either
sage ice
is there any expectation that dropping Tough as Nails for Bolster is going to meaningfully impact threat generation/holding threat?
jagged pier
wont matter at all
strong forum
its just free 3% dmg
jagged pier
it was picked just cause dmg
sage ice
i'm still pretty new to the spec
strong forum
as explained in pins
daring marlin
what irks me the most is just the unavailability of spellblock
make it baseline
:)
final mist
Threat generally isn't an issue for Warrior so long as you're hitting buttons
jagged pier
what irks me the most is just the unavailability of spellblock
well we could always drop Battering ram now
final mist
make it baseline
This is the way
strong forum
rather drop bloodsurge
jagged pier
but nah probably something else like bloodsurge
strong forum
tbh
sage ice
yeah spellblock being much less of a sacrifice would be great
strong forum
BR is still a solid talent
like, all sims ive done regarding talent choices in s1
were done before the bug was implemented in simc
jagged pier
fuck drop devstator and not press devastate (joking btw)
jagged pier
same
ionic fern
final mist
fuck drop devstator and not press devastate (joking btw)
This should also just be a baseline talen-
sage ice
I wish challenging shot was just baseline closer to interrupting shout. perhaps a shorter spell prevention or small AOE or something
jagged pier
feel like these lines fix alot
final mist
I still maintain that prot should have a passive that allows us to use a 2H and a shield to make spec swapping easier / give prot something cool
"But sal what about smf" yeah what about it
daring marlin
I still maintain that prot should have a passive that allows us to use a 2H and ...
based
fuck 1h weapons
Warrior should be the 2H class.
sage ice
Bloodsurge definitely seems droppable...does either details or logs show how much rage is actually generated by rend via bloodsurge?
daring marlin
period
edgy venture
I'm sure it'll come Soon™️, WAs and such usually take a bit
https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg seems to be the one, the one in #268491842637660160 points to the shadowlands one
jagged pier
Bloodsurge definitely seems droppable...does either details or logs show how muc...
yes
sage ice
I still maintain that prot should have a passive that allows us to use a 2H and ...
based af
final mist
Just make us able to transmog 1hs over 2hs, easy
strong forum
Bloodsurge definitely seems droppable...does either details or logs show how muc...
not rend specifically, but all bleeds, yes
edgy venture
I still maintain that prot should have a passive that allows us to use a 2H and ...
spear and shield 🥺
daring marlin
That'd be one way to have a spear >:O
sage ice
not rend specifically, but all bleeds, yes
fair fair. just thinking thunderclap's AOE rend is probably the most frequent bleed? or am I missing something
sage ice
spear and shield 🥺
Sparta cosplay FTW
sage ice
oh fucking duh
strong forum
rend and deep wounds, deep wounds has more uptime because its not just being applied by 5 at a time
jagged pier
if they didnt make rend so strong in the first place
sage ice
still having my coffee lol
jagged pier
strong forum
on average
edgy venture
guys remember gladiator stance 
strong forum
bloodsurge makes up about 7% of your rage gen in m+
final mist
Glad Stance was my shit
edgy venture
Glad Stance was my shit
same
strong forum
imp wall is on average less rage/sec than bloodsurge
barely less
but imp wall is way more rage on low target count/bosses
jagged pier
yer u dont take my 60sec SW
final mist
^
strong forum
im just explaining for people
actually no
in this run
imp wall was more rage than bloodsurge
jagged pier
strong forum
lemme check AA
final mist
Which dungeon was that
strong forum
CoS
final mist
Generally id say bloodsurgebis higher but
Yeah
The lower SW CD way more impactful than just the rage
Bloodsurge drop is the way IMO
sage ice
to maximize the shield slam AOE dmg
sage ice
they don't stack?
strong forum
its flat AP
misty moss
spear and shield 🥺
It’s all I want
sage ice
ahh
strong forum
otherwise an outburst SS would be even better
i kinda with outburst would interact with the CDR however
jagged pier
i dont think u would drop it on bosses Nome 10% SS damage along with the tier set increase as well
jagged pier
well then maybe
undone verge
Drop indomitable fr, it’s a crutch
mental scarab
More rage more devaste 
smack smack
sage ice
the 2 set bonus stacks w/ punish or are they not multiplicative?
jagged pier
multiplicative would be dumb
sage ice
ah ok. still learning the ins and outs of the calculations as you can tell
sage ice
got it
strong forum
there are so many multipliers with SS that i cant keep track of it tbf
which does how much where
we have SB, crushing force, punish, outburst, avatar, BV
onehand spec
brace for impact
all those already affect SS dmg
actually think it might be multiplicative
checking 
jagged pier
strong forum
cuz outburst
final mist
Math is not the way
I will simply do 50 m+ with each different talent and decide which feels best
strong forum
bro can i stop critting
final mist
👍
strong forum
BRO
final mist
LOL
blazing condor
critgodx
modern brook
His life is so hard bro
edgy venture
guys my co-tank left for a tinder date for the rest of the summer
edgy venture
I'm alone now
sick sentinel
hope they split the bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaIHb-_R-E When they invented money, they invented greed.
blazing condor
as long as youre delusional you're never alone - just speak to the voices
thanks yogi
edgy venture
<:okayge:917646812519739433> as long as youre delusional you're never alone - ju...
alone as a tank, not as a person. I got plenty of voices.
grizzled kite
just another opportunity to prove your worth
edgy venture
how can I prove my worth if we can't even get in the raid
grizzled kite
solo tank it
edgy venture
ah why didn't I think of that
strong forum
please leave a mathematical proof on my desk, thank you
multiplicative
grizzled kite
sick sentinel
how can I prove my worth if we can't even get in the raid
after being declined as tank and told you can come as dps "so i guess i had become what they wanted me to, A killer, some rent-a-clown who puts holes in the bodies of other bad guys"
*its from max payne
daring marlin
sage ice
haha yeah, i'm trying to crank out as much work as I can before 2pm ET
sage ice
I work from home full time which is dangerous lolol
jagged pier
usually
naive panther
I work from home now too, and just got a call this morning with a big project, so I'll likely miss getting on right away when servers are up
sage ice
ah that sucks
strong forum
All of em
strong forum
^
daring marlin
#tanklife
strong forum
Half jokes aside, all the dmg trinkets like grapnel anvil beacon
Ward is good defensively
Besides that just ilvl and tier
unkempt rover
poggers
sage ice
I know this isnt strictly prot war related, but where do y'all think blacksmithers are going to find shadowflame forge? Campaign locked currently in Zaralek? Somewhere in a dungeon or raid?
toxic pewter
do you guys expect to loot as prot in m+ for the start at least
yes right, to try and get shield
and stuff
misty moss
do you guys expect to loot as prot in m+ for the start at least
I Loot arms in m+ except when going for Pogstorm. Fury for vault
That’s the plan
misty moss
Sword
toxic pewter
anyone already done the work for which loot spec is best for each dungeon? 😛
jagged pier
the highest ilvl
toxic pewter
lol true
jagged pier
outside of WF keys
misty moss
If you don’t have anything else
final mist
I think the last time I ran actual tank trinkets was in WoD when bonus armor existed
Oh wait
All totem
Nah that ain't a tank trinket
toxic gyro
Psychic shell from nylotha
misty moss
I’m going to spark shield to 447, shadowflame patch it asap. Next Spark going to Torc of Passing Time to 447. Next Spark will be Frostfire to 447. Final spark will be head to 447 or boots to 447 with patch relocated.
Anyone else going the same route?
jagged pier
nome changed the neck to a new one
misty moss
Oooooh
jagged pier
and as of right now we will run double shadowflame patch
so u would craft a belt with better stats and shadowflame not frostfire
misty moss
No frostfire? Interesting
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
could have changed
misty moss
@jagged pier can you send me the name of the neck
jagged pier
since sense did the sheet
unkempt rover
looks like shadow spike still does though
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> can you send me the name of the neck
i dunno what it is the crafted neck still a good thing tho i think it was a 450 raid neck
thing is only defend is still huge if that does stacking damage or something reflecting it can sitll be good
toxic pewter
gonna try and get forgestorm
misty moss
Ok so. Spark shield 447 and patch it. Then make Torc of Passing time unless I get heroic version of raid neck (which will save 2 weeks on waiting time) immediately craft belt + patch. Then hope vault or mythic drops neck.
shut summit
shit always changes from PTR -> live so will update as is found
feel free to message with logs if discrepancies
final mist
Ok so. Spark shield 447 and patch it. Then make Torc of Passing time unless I ge...
Probably try for an M+ neck instead of relying on raid
Not super important either way, Shadowflame patches are just damage
Gonna be a bit before people have the armor patch ready to sell
daring marlin
big brain
final mist
Also PSA for those not aware, belts have an enchant for stamina now
final mist
Yeah it's something added for blacksmiths this patch
daring marlin
good
dusky mica
Does anyone know where the 'Shadowforge' is to make this new BS stuff? Is it gated behind campaign or something?
toxic pewter
im assuming its in neltharus
but i may be way off, i just remember a forge thing in there
daring marlin
Speaking of Neltharus
daring marlin
I wonder how much dam that extra action button is gonna do in m+
toxic pewter
apparently halls of infusion has some cheat death u can activate near start if u are engineer or somethin
seems like some dungeons have crap you can do in them
pallid quiver
It's left right at the entrance
daring marlin
yeah just gotta go left
toxic pewter
ya
dusky mica
infusion is a cursed dungeon, proper shit
toxic pewter
lol
pallid quiver
You can also get poison cleansing shrooms later on if you go up the stairs instead of through the door after first boss if you're an... herbalist?
toxic pewter
interesting
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
wat tendy trinket
daring marlin
madlad
toxic pewter
just realized forgestorm has no strength on it, so are we competing for it with rogues and other 1h mace users and shit
enh shammies
monks
frost dk
etc
icy bane
Just get it in your vault ez
dusky canopy
I would assume yes apb although it could vary from spec to spec on how valuable it is
Because no main stat
toxic pewter
i assume it will be bis for all of them
i wont be inviting any melee to my neltharus groups lmao
uneven mason
i wont be inviting any melee to my neltharus groups lmao
That's counter intuitive
toxic pewter
lol im just kidding, sorta, maybe prob not
dusky canopy
Oh I’m the same way lol
uneven mason
Literally stack the dudes who can loot it
dusky canopy
If you’re pugging though it’s real bad to have a pug yoink what you’re farming
uneven mason
Increase the chance you can sucker that casual Andy rogue that it's their worst weapon and should hand it off
toxic pewter
i mean if its best for us wont it be best for all dps too or am i just missing something
uneven mason
IDK I don't give a fuck about other specs
toxic pewter
IDK I don't give a fuck about other specs
lol fair enough
dusky canopy
Dude they need to make one then
Hey tangent here, what are the inconveniences of cross faction now with the update?
Just can’t do qued content cross faction right?
Still can’t trade?
uneven mason
Nothing new, same stuff you couldn't do before but now you can join a guild
Basically those
dusky canopy
Still can’t use craft orders cross faction either?
uneven mason
But
urban bane
No queued content. No world quests, if that matters
uneven mason
400iq just toss it in the guild bank
urban bane
Craft orders can be xfaction i thought. Just not xserver
dusky canopy
So trade chat is cross faction including orders?
urban bane
jagged pier
u need to know the name of the person
yer its dumb
might have changed in the new patch
urban bane
yeah my horde dom server i had to find contacts of ppl to make my shit
jagged pier
but i know on my alliance toon my trade chat is empty
dusky canopy
The only thing holding me back is not being able to easily get my spark crafts because I’m an illibro witch is like 99% horde
dusky canopy
Otherwise I’d be a dwarf right now
urban bane
yeah just swap to an alt and ask around in trade
jagged pier
make a horde tone
jagged pier
and just use it to find crafters
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s simple enough
uneven mason
The only thing holding me back is not being able to easily get my spark crafts b...
Being Alli on illidan or horde on stormrage
urban bane
ive seen some servers have high end crafters who like create xfaction communities to coordinate that
crude notch
why in the world
dusky canopy
As long as cross faction work orders are possible then I’m switching
uneven mason
"top alliance warrior on illidan" - "there's 5 of you"
crude notch
i was the top alliance bear on illidan in bfa.
dusky canopy
Don’t care much about qued content so we’re chillin
Can’t show off the timewalking twink set with the homies then but not a real loss
uneven mason
Like the only thing you can't do is LFR, since there's no difficulty toggle for it. But heroic dungeons you can form up a faction group and walk in
Oh yeah time walking too, since no toggle
dusky canopy
"top alliance warrior on illidan" - "there's 5 of you"
I think I ended the season at 188 horde side xD
But you know
undone verge
I woulda been top alliance war on stormrage but we didn’t kill the 8 bosses in a single patch
daring marlin
Love me some storming
sick sentinel
damn, 469.5K if i want to buy all the upgrade heirlooms
uneven mason
Storming, think I'm playing the bear this week
chilly brook
Don’t care much about qued content so we’re chillin
It’s actually very annoying not being able to q with people to do the weekly stuff like the 5 heroics for a 415
Ngl
sick sentinel
storming is mostly nothing burger
IP and walk into it so doesnt mess up ur casters spell, if it's headed for a melee, let them eat it cuz lol movement
daring marlin
I hope that evoker leggo is real
daring marlin
toxic pewter
def real, just not sure when it will appear
dusky canopy
It’s actually very annoying not being able to q with people to do the weekly stu...
Yeah I must admit I do agree.. it probably seems irrelevant until you remove the option for it..
daring marlin
It's certainly a bit jarring.
crude notch
apb what crayons are your favorite brand?
daring marlin
and flavor
toxic pewter
I don't have time for crayons and crayon accessories
I am too busy climbing the ranks
daring marlin
That's the spirit
toxic pewter
I am very powerful individual
uneven mason
IP and walk into it so doesnt mess up ur casters spell, if it's headed for a mel...
Getting juggled so the swirly gets you in the taint is annoying
limber temple
NIce
toxic pewter
interesting trinket tuning
uneven mason
Page not found on wowhead wtf
hushed harbor
holy fucking shit
A BiS passive aoe dmg trinket with an internal cooldown of 2s would be the dream.
and its CRIT
sick sentinel
rip all totem
fast knot
please lord give me a bounty of NL and no BHH to replace my fister trinket
fast knot
Knowing my luck I'll get stuck with that hellhole having to run Bitter and tremor because of mongos buttpulling Warscourges
granite pond
Do we have an idea of what ilevel gear has to be to replace current tier? I mostly run m+ so I doubt I'll get 2pc/4pc anytime soon
misty moss
We staying Haste/Crit this season? The loss of defensiveness enough to justify haste/versatility?
toxic pewter
are we losing defensiveness
misty moss
Yeah we are. A bit
daring marlin
What?
urban bane
huh?
round socket
I can make up for the defensive loss by just not getting hit right?
urban bane
Slow down what defensive loss are you on about
sick sentinel
im really sad because my old phone wont support official bethesda doom
so, i have to actually buy new one now
round socket
Tierset genenrator ?
sick sentinel
don't feel like have to buy new one that isnt about a decade old
misty moss
We’re losing defensiveness. It’s not much
daring marlin
...because of the tier set bonus?
toxic pewter
lol
round socket
Because patch number go up.
undone verge
I’d argue we’re more tanky cause we have more stats
round socket
So do the enemies 😂💀
daring marlin
this is goofy
undone verge
So do the enemies 😂💀
Yeah but that doesn’t make us less tanky, it makes the enemies do more dmg
sick sentinel
you guys are on about this right
round socket
Enemies doing more dmg makes us less Tammy
daring marlin
We’re losing defensiveness. It’s not much
elaborate
round socket
😂
toxic pewter
'why are we losing more defensiveness?' cuz 'We’re losing defensiveness'
sick sentinel
someone said it will be comp'd which, i dunno but
undone verge
Enemies doing more dmg makes us less Tammy
How does enemies doing more dmg make us less tanky. I wouldn’t say that I’m less tanky in a 26 than I am in a 20, but the mobs got harder there
jagged pier
well its more our tier set had a defensive value but now it doesnt
misty moss
elaborate
I mean @strong forum explained it earlier… the change is slight due to T30 vs T29
toxic pewter
oh right the 5%, true
sick sentinel
jagged pier
well and the extra IP
daring marlin
<:Protection:592472003248783361>
no
undone verge
4 set has some defense
sick sentinel
yes
daring marlin
d stance bad
toxic pewter
yeah dang 30 def less tanky than 29..
sick sentinel
d stance 🔛 🔝
delicate forum
Felt so demoralized going into new patch as tank in the start, no priority on gears at all ==
daring marlin
imagine being a healer
round socket
less tanky = we lick the floor now
astral crystal
m+ is your gearing grounds
sick sentinel
yeah, i will do them once or twice on 0
delicate forum
But I still need to tank for the raid, which is quite frequent at the start like 3 days a week
sick sentinel
if i can even or low, like 10 key to start
toxic pewter
is season one tier set inactive in season 2
sick sentinel
might do 15s wmight do 20s dunno probably 15s
delicate forum
Any good trinkets from the raid for prot warrior?
urban bane
fwiw, when the nelth trinket scaled with haste and had stupid uptime, we were considering that to be bis and it comes with a 5% damage taken amp. so. that's 5% less tanky for ya
round socket
If they could put the servers up early that would be nice 
undone verge
Any good trinkets from the raid for prot warrior?
All of our trinkets are from raid
daring marlin
hey man they buffed dargrul
undone verge
I don’t get off till 3 so I’m praying they extend
daring marlin
📈
delicate forum
Fuck feels bad to let go of my whetstone and eranog trink
jagged pier
If they could put the servers up early that would be nice <a:hmmNod:940376932560...
on a patch XD
true coral
Do we have an idea of what ilevel gear has to be to replace current tier? I most...
did we get an answer to this?
jagged pier
Fuck feels bad to let go of my whetstone and eranog trink
why eranog trinket its bad
undone verge
Current tier isn’t active, if you mean Season 2 tier, it’s ilvl, unless it gives you a 2 or 4 set
sick sentinel
how is decoration of flame bad
round socket
undone verge
how is decoration of flame bad
Low dmg bad shield
delicate forum
So convenient to get my aggro with these trinks
jagged pier
it always was
sick sentinel
what else do you run
daring marlin
Leon is an L printing factory
jagged pier
I run whetstone and all totem or grief
undone verge
Trampling hooves, grieftorch, icon in raids
sick sentinel
dunno, got it on mythic
never bothered to replace it
wowhead said bis so I kept it
jagged pier
astral crystal
wowhead guide 
toxic pewter
unreal arrow
undone verge
Sim it
oak sorrel
Hi guys, are there any trinket simulations for m+?
delicate forum
How do sim works for tanks though, I mean you do more dmg but certain stat weight in terms of defensiveness are unaccounted for
daring marlin
Do more damage
jagged pier
the stats that give u the most damage give u means u have enough stats to live
living comes from play
not stats
delicate forum
aight fair
undone verge
Pwarrior dps is directly related to survivability. The more dps we do, the more tanky we are cause we’re doing our rotation properly
Aside from dstance bstance arguments, but that irrelevant cause the better you play the less you’ll need dstance
misty moss
Good
strong forum
and 441 dargrul trinket is barely beating 415 whetstone
toxic pewter
na servers live
sick sentinel
please, what are the best crafts
daring marlin
Stay down until 4 ish
get dominated son
lean stream
what spec should I open my vault with? I'm leaning towards fury for dps trinkets and 1h
frail fern
geting the prmal longsowrd made ....stats wise want hast and vers ? or haste crit?
limpid anchor
Why would you do that
frail fern
?
oblique kayak
is it that much better?
strong forum
a 441 forgestorm, which you can just grind for, is better than any 447 in the game
oblique kayak
ufff
frail fern
so ive mained a resto sham ....and my guild may need me to tank and my gear is only 405 weapon would be a nice upgrade thats all im thinking
sick sentinel
the first best craft is?
strong forum
but if you absolutely want your weapon, haste crit is more dmg and parry is good
daring marlin
getting to uldaman is ass
strong forum
just fly from stormwind lol
frail fern
right ok so there nothing to say a crafted weapon would be better with emblement on it in future
dusky canopy
Just pin the world shield in bold and italic lettering
torn gulch
a 441 forgestorm, which you can just grind for, is better than any 447 in the ga...
I would genuinely like to see the numbers on this
weary python
I've been out of it since 10.0.5, how do we look to be shaking out in 10.1?
torn gulch
Decent
weary python
In both raid and m+?
torn gulch
Yes
weary python
Cool cool
weary python
What's the top .1% looking like?
shell mortar
What are the affixes this week?
granite pond
Is there an ilevel on armor where you'd start breaking old tier if you don't expect to be able to get new 2pc/4pc for a while?
sick sentinel
des fr?
dusky canopy
Is there an ilevel on armor where you'd start breaking old tier if you don't exp...
Generally you only replace tier with new tier
dusky canopy
If you’re extremely unlucky getting tier pieces then you’d sim a higher item level piece
modern brook
getting to uldaman is ass
No tp?
I thought for sure we'd geta portal like we did other dungeons in the old world
granite pond
TPs are tiragarde, uldum, nazmir
modern brook
Game sucks
mighty valley
There is a portal to Uldaman it's just in a different house for some reason
modern brook
I guess they ran out of room outside.
granite pond
where?
mighty valley
Apparently it's in the same place where you turned in last raid's rep tokens
modern brook
Apparently it's in the same place where you turned in last raid's rep tokens
Uhhhh
granite pond
Not that I can see, I'm there lol
mighty valley
oh wait, it's in the storm sigils house
world first heroic has been kinda slow the last few tiers since there wasn't a huge incentive to go hard
but now there's tier tokens, so
undone verge
I’m at work. Noooooo
Same brother
karmic plinth
no portal to uldaman lmao
theres one in the room where you hand in titan relics to fuselight
toxic pewter
ohhhhhhh
toxic pewter
theres one in the room where you hand in titan relics to fuselight
ty
daring marlin
last boss of uldaman is so trash
toxic pewter
o rly
daring marlin
kinda wanna level an evoker now
long stone
lul Prot warrior B-Ranking :D? this shitty wowhead ^^
uneven mason
lul Prot warrior B-Ranking :D? this shitty wowhead ^^
I mean, we're not paladins, so f tier
strong forum
where does that say B
ah for raid
yeah but they didnt put BDK or pally in S tier for raid
so...
that list kinda lul
uneven mason
Or using recommended builds
dusky canopy
Ikari in the dorki/Naowh tank tierlist video BDK ended up scoring super low and they kept saying don’t worry it’s actually great
hardy snow
they put highest ST tank in C tier for raid, thats how much these tier lists are worth 🙂
strong forum
it still does less dmg than a paladin
strong forum
Ikari in the dorki/Naowh tank tierlist video BDK ended up scoring super low and ...
they also said VDH is 9/10 ST dmg
when its 5th in reality
uneven mason
Wat
strong forum
🙂
dusky canopy
Right right
strong forum
also said pwar is only 6/10 ST in m+ (when its the highest)
dusky canopy
Yeah I thought that was false based off our conversations in here
strong forum
so yeah, not the most accurate list
dusky canopy
It was more a feelycraft tier list based off of their experiences
toxic pewter
15 uldaman 2nd boss own me and my group hard O_O
uneven mason
"bro I only press shield slam when it resets from CD"
dusky canopy
I don’t think it was necessarily data based
strong forum
ofc not
dusky canopy
Right
strong forum
like, it wouldve been hilarious if andy joined
cuz hed have said so many times "wtf are you smoking"
pallid quiver
but you see, our ST is among the most complex and difficult rotations and sequences in the land. your average ordinary "tank" folk just can't keep up, limiting their overall output. Only REAL prot wars can be 10/10 ST in M+ with the ability to grasp the in-depth intricacies that go into "ME UNGA BUNGA EXECUTE"
dusky canopy
Andy is the goat man