protection

[lusty grotto]

ok ok youre right

i dont use blood in keys

mythic eranog

its accurate

but fuck that

[wintry flax]

smh

[dusky canopy]

[cinder nova]

Nobody is running blood for the heal, we run it for the proc. My surprise was because I figured losing 7-8% HPS was gonna feel noticeable.

[warm plinth]

What stone combination are you using Nim? In your first screenshot

[lusty grotto]

it shouldnt

[strong forum]

i dont have a raid log with annulet

[dusky canopy]

👀

[warm plinth]

Wait where is the desirous healing coming from then?

[lusty grotto]

probably someone else

i have no idea tbh

[warm plinth]

That's your healing though

[lusty grotto]

intervene maybe?

[dusky canopy]

How does what

[lusty grotto]

bugging it out

[warm plinth]

And desirous doesn't heal other people

[lusty grotto]

let me check if i have a log

[dusky canopy]

Other people’s stones on your healing chart

Weird

[potent gulch]

Obscure is random Stone. Can be blood

[lusty grotto]

oh true

i had forgotten about it

[dusky canopy]

Oh word this is it

[cinder nova]

I mean, not really surprising. Lots of effects work that way, hell - lock stones appear on your log.

[warm plinth]

Oh, right

Didn't even know what that did since that's a whack stone combo lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah but you use the lock stone yourself so that makes sense to me

[lusty grotto]

your face is whack

[potent gulch]

Run heal combo. Heal raid. Make 800k Heal on every raid member. Parse #1 on Heal charts

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

its the jedi way

[potent gulch]

I did on Rashageth. Pretty nuts. Better then stop dps.

[dusky canopy]

People did troll raids with the full heal gem combo yeah?

[unreal arrow]

worth to not cast shield block in execute so u can cast execute

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

if youre not actively tanking, minimally

[cinder nova]

Lol what

[potent gulch]

It is they way. Help healers.

[cinder nova]

What it is

How sit work

[potent gulch]

You just heal raid.

With stones

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

Two hours shorter

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but how?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah there was a dude in here when stones first came out talking about how they did a full raid with just the healing stones and no healer

Idk how accurate that is but yeah

[cinder nova]

WHICH STONES

[mighty valley]

My biggest "noooooooooooooooooooooooo" ever

[unreal arrow]

tell me more tell me more

[lusty grotto]

did you gaslight me or have my stones been wrong, i swear i just copy pasted what mwahi posted when the buff happened

[warm plinth]

Those are very wrong my friend

[lusty grotto]

so storm desirious proph like everyone

[warm plinth]

Should be desirous prophetic and storm for keys

[lusty grotto]

good thing i have 3 ring slmao

[warm plinth]

And freezing instead of storm in st

[mighty valley]

how did you end up socketing the "random stone proc" one, that's wild

[lusty grotto]

idk i swear i saw it on a pin and never looked again

its fine i have the correct ring on my bags anyway

not that it matters anymore

[strong forum]

cuz it looks good on sims

pestilence + obscure sims really good for aoe

obscure sims pretty decent in general

but its ultra RNG

[lusty grotto]

:\

i mean pestilent is sometimes higher than storm

on some of these runs

rng is rng

[strong forum]

pestilence gets better the longer the pull lives

but its just shit on low target count, and when mobs actually die

[lusty grotto]

hmm..

i guess that makes sense

[strong forum]

and idk if you ran desirous + prophetic

cuz desirous + prophetic doubles the dmg of the 3rd gem

if you only ran storm, then yeah its not as good

[cinder nova]

wait does it actually matter what order you put gems in

[lusty grotto]

i have it but apparently its on the wrong gear set

[strong forum]

no

[cinder nova]

Oh thank god

lol

[strong forum]

but it matters that desirous + prophetic is gemmed

that combo

is what enables the 3rd gem to pop off

if you run storm without the combo, yeah its not gonna look as good

[dusky canopy]

That I’m not sure.. lol

[strong forum]

theres a ring combo

where you proc healing anytime you move

that one is how you pad HPS

[cinder nova]

Yeah but dude's talking about a whole raid healing itself

[strong forum]

yes

with that ring combo

it heals everyone

when you move

before the interaction fix

that ring combo alone

did 400k hps (including overhealing)

with just 1 guy wearing it

[warm plinth]

Yeah that ring combo was so busted lol

Ngl I tried that echoing gem on my BM hunter and it's actually not super annoying EXCEPT that it has the same issue as something else I've experienced, which is that you have to move a minimum distance for it to track, otherwise you can skip a tick of it and it won't proc

[strong forum]

queens court

[fallow beacon]

have they changed the dracothyst craft cooldown or is this a bug and i should avoid it lest i get ban hammered

[warm plinth]

Or you can jump, but you get on average about 20% less stacks in the same time period if you spam jump instead of moving.

I was thinking of a torghast power on my rogue, gave you evasion, vial, or cloak when you grappling hooked, but you had to actually move a minimum distance with the hook or it wouldn't proc.

[strong forum]

wowhead made an article about it

[fallow beacon]

that it got changed or that its a bug?

[warm plinth]

What it's showing now is after the bug fix

[fallow beacon]

poggies

[clever heart]

Do the Shadowflame patch on head + flame belt emblishments still seem to be our bis for 10.1 ?
does it differ at all from Raid to m+ or are they just that much better than other options theyre bis in all conent

[granite pond]

I think we might not want the shoulders now after they changed the tier stats

But I admit I only glanced quickly at the new stats

[astral crystal]

are we keeping the annulet in early aberrus?

[karmic plinth]

wear it until you get something that sims better

[daring marlin]

Pretty wild how often they're tuning stuff

hopefully they keep this energy the whole expac

[modern brook]

Post release they're probably going to redirect resources to the shadow priest redesign

[daring marlin]

delete 'em

ez clap

[strong forum]

All patch in raid until nerfed

[astral crystal]

pain

[strong forum]

Same goes for eranog ring

Bis in raid until nerfed

[warm plinth]

Double patch and patch + belt are fairly close. Within 200 DPS

with double patch edging out

[astral crystal]

really? belt as well i take it?

double shadowflame isn't better?

[warm plinth]

I think they simmed it and belt is still a more reliable proc than double shadowpatch and the enchant

@astral atlas did the sim I think

for the ring

[craggy pilot]

are we running Brutal Vit until we swap away from S1 4set? then using Fueled by Violence?

[warm plinth]

Yes

ty for clarifying

[granite pond]

At least we know we keep running Barbaric Training /whistles innocently

[strong forum]

Ngl

On aoe it might see a comeback

When I've tested slamming 3 targets I've played with the idea with testing BT

It was never proven to be usable

With new tierset + running UF however

Ive found myself not using revenge as often

Cuz you ultra prio SS harder than ever before

So you find very little time to use revenge

In ST and low target situations it usually fucks your rotation

I've not tested it yet, but it felt like I was barely using revenge

But when I checked casts it was still almost 1-1 ratio of TC and revenge

Had like 20cpm of SS, and 14 on TC and revenge

And like idk 18 on IP

Maybe more on revenge/TC

Will have to give it a whirl tomorrow

Also beta lag doesn't help

That extra 120ms does fuck

Sextupling your latency isn't real nice when youre tryna snipe SS resets

Often times gotta predict the reset with spamming SS instantly after pressing another vutton

On retail yes

Ptr, no

[mighty valley]

haha, sex

[strong forum]

Retail I have it on 150

Ptr its regular 400

[prisma crane]

a fellow man of culture i see

[strong forum]

400 is standard

[prisma crane]

the fuck is SQW?

[strong forum]

Spell queue window

[prisma crane]

ahh ty

[strong forum]

The amount of milliseconds it remembers your last button press

[prisma crane]

yea

i never really messed with it

[strong forum]

It helps with sniping resets

[prisma crane]

but i could imagine in high variability scenarios a smaller number would be nice

[strong forum]

It's to counterplay lag

[prisma crane]

i might need to look into that so i can get fear/stuns off in time

sometimes the GCD lock there if timing is back sucks

[strong forum]

But you also need to spam alot faster

[prisma crane]

i spam my buttons anyways so it shouldnt affect me much

[strong forum]

To not miss a potential gcd

If you have a 400ms sqw you only need to press 3 times per second to not miss a gcd

With 150 it's already 7 times per second needed

With 50 it's 20 times

[prisma crane]

let me line up a queue and set that shit to like 10,000 and walk away

[strong forum]

Most players miss multiple gcds per minute

Cuz

Sqw ain't helping em

[prisma crane]

yea, i think i may be used to weird queuing from back in the day when a good day was 200-400 MS

i remember raiding at 800 for a couple hours

TBC days, good times, was so bad i could tell but didnt feel unplayable

[strong forum]

I remember having 10min load screens

Literally

[granite pond]

I'm still permanently crippled from spamming heroic strike

[prisma crane]

nowadays i'd log off for the day if i had to deal with 200+ regularly

[strong forum]

I'd make my entire raid wait cuz if my loading screens in wrath

[prisma crane]

lol

[prisma crane]

esp if you had a dagger

[strong forum]

Virus riddled pc gaming

Hell yeah

[prisma crane]

im happy with my average 12-18 ms now

[undone verge]

@modern brook u in this heroic pug?

[modern brook]

😄

it is hi

plz continue to carry me :^)

[undone verge]

might be hard if ppl keep dying to stupid stuff lol

[modern brook]

yah idk

[warm plinth]

But yeah in raid I think it's even more of an option than it was this season

Because of unnerving focus

and the tier set ofc

[daring marlin]

Crafting order question: can someone request a craft of the whelpling upgrade item and have me use all the mats for them?

[warm plinth]

No

[daring marlin]

sounds like someone gotta farm then

It's not for an alt fyi

[warm plinth]

Well, I guess if you see a crafting order for that, then they can

when you say all the mats, do you mean including the crest?

[daring marlin]

Yeah. Cuz I have a bunch I'll never use.

[warm plinth]

Yeah I can confidently say that they will at least have to provide the crests. Everything else you can probably provide.

[daring marlin]

Sounds about right. Gonna goof around some when I get home.

[cyan prism]

hey guys doing temple 20.. what do i do on jade boss ? spell reflect doesnt seem to work

[granite pond]

It works as mitigation just not to reflect. You have to time and use your cool downs for each green phase kick

[warm plinth]

Spell Reflect only works on the phase 1 strike, not phase 2

It mitigates the 2nd phase, but not reflect

[cyan prism]

yeah cools

[granite pond]

SW, demo, LS , pot, reflect, spell block

[warm plinth]

Rotate CDs, use last stand, impending victory, health pot after the hit to help heal the absorb

[granite pond]

If you’re not out of the phase by then ask for external help

[warm plinth]

Defensive stance is a thing too if you forget about that

[unkempt hatch]

Would we ever run show of force in raid ? Like with new tier?

[mighty valley]

Isn't it a pretty heavy single target raid

[undone verge]

yes

add cleave on 3 fights

the only aoe fight is assualt

[mighty valley]

so yeah, not a lot of places where show of force would be the play

dunno what tier set would have to do with it

[undone verge]

2 boss cleave on mythic experiments, aoe on Assault on the Zaqali, slight cleave on Zskaran, some cleave on neltharian, some cleave on Scale commander Sarkareth

[unkempt hatch]

Just my brain being bad and thinking things incorrectly

[toxic pewter]

Does the new raid have a lot of trash mobs

Interesting

[visual moat]

is the Vileshard Hulks in nelths lair still doing two waves of piercing shards when they cast it or was that just a bug and been fixed?

[fast knot]

Even in Legion they had their tank hit and then casted two from memory

I distinctly remember because Fury burst with Draught would result in me getting a faceful of fuck about 50% of the time 😄

[sick sentinel]

is it actually importnat i do the 7 part quest thing tonight

for some kinda being caught up thing

[warm plinth]

The what

[sick sentinel]

prefer not to think about it tomorrow if im not losin nothin, cuz i didnt get a 3k quest this week far as i recall

i did everything else including a baby key

its MSQ

7 parts

[warm plinth]

The new weekly quest requires 1500 reputation with the new faction. There is still a 3k reputation quest that is the normal weekly that we've had all expansion.

[sick sentinel]

the story line the progresses the main game

[warm plinth]

And yes, you will delay getting half a spark if you do that

don't do that*

[sick sentinel]

hmm, do i have to get through all 7 parts to access those quests

[warm plinth]

There are only 3 parts of the campaign available this week.

4 and 5 release next week

[sick sentinel]

im at uhh lets see

[warm plinth]

Let's put it this way

[sick sentinel]

im in the cave and im killing rares, iknow that much

[warm plinth]

did you get a spark of shadowflame yet

[toxic pewter]

Tuskaar playable race announcement Thursday

[warm plinth]

Yes let's announce races that would look stupid af in this game's armor lol

[sick sentinel]

this is my progression so far

[toxic pewter]

I’m race changing day one to Tuskaar

[fresh igloo]

just finish it.

you're almost done.

[crude notch]

do the campaign quests

[fast knot]

I'm 4/7 already 🤔

Is it really coming out tomorrow?

[fresh igloo]

the rest will unlock after reset.

[fast knot]

for 4/5

[warm plinth]

4/7 means you're on chapter 4

[toxic pewter]

Yah 5/6 tomorrow

[warm plinth]

Not that yo'uve compleeted it

[fast knot]

You're right, looked at the actual achievement and it's 3/6

[toxic pewter]

Also my wild out there prediction: playable centaur race

[warm plinth]

So you'll be able to do parts 4 and 5 tomorrow

[daring marlin]

playable centaur before vrykul and I'll riot

[toxic pewter]

First ever quadrupedal race

[daring marlin]

that alone is why it won't happen

[toxic pewter]

Well when it does I will have predicted it

It is done.

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Yeah if you just rattle off all the races in WoW I'm sure you'll eventually be right. 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Mock me all u want

[sick sentinel]

no promises

but, no refunds

[daring marlin]

yogi wanna tank a 20 Nokhud or RLP?

[white plover]

hey guys what we sacrifice to take spell block in s2 if we need it for m+?

[warm plinth]

bloodsurge

[white plover]

i lose so much rage if i do that

[sick sentinel]

what of this shit can be yeeted and dleteld

im sick of it

[raw pike]

all of it

[sick sentinel]

thats the plan

[toxic pewter]

Jesus

[warm plinth]

Bro who is going to go through your 80,000 items to tell you what to get rid of

[sick sentinel]

i wanna yeet all this shit that i can

[toxic pewter]

Clean that shop up

[warm plinth]

Auction what can be auctioned, vendor the gear

[sick sentinel]

auction all the reagents?

[warm plinth]

If you have no need of them, sure

[raw pike]

just vendor everything without the little dragonflight rarity icon imo

aint nobody got time to auction all that over and over

[toxic pewter]

Ur on area 52. Just mail me it all

I’ll take care of it

[warm plinth]

I mean you just right click, click create auction, right click, create auction, right click create auction

It's not difficult lol

It automatically sets the price at the lowest on the AH, which means it'll sell before the others.

[toxic pewter]

What lvl dungeon you guys gonna start on tomorrow

[warm plinth]

whatever level dungeon I have available to me. Most people are gonna have something in the 6-11 range

[toxic pewter]

Just realized I won’t have a keystone

Unless I do dungeon tonight

[warm plinth]

You can still get one from the panda

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[white plover]

@warm plinth sacrificing my second rage generator in m+ for spell block,isnt sacrificing punish a better option?

does 2set makes up for that

[warm plinth]

No, because our entire tier set revolves around shield slam damage. It would be silly to give up a talent that gives us damage on that.

Not to mention it's a lot of DR on bosses/priority targets

Bloodsurge only accounts for like 10-15% of your rage generation depending on average pull size of the key

It's significant but if you're taking spell block, it's for a good reason

You just won't be able to set and forget spell block like you can this season.

[crude notch]

Imma take you for a good reason

[warm plinth]

@crude notch I lost 15 pounds so far

[stone pike]

Am I missing something about spell block? It's still on the same ability as before for me...

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

[stone pike]

Tough as Nails vs Spell Block

[warm plinth]

We don't use Tough as Nails in S2

[crude notch]

that is correct

it hasn't moved

[warm plinth]

once we get tier

[stone pike]

Or do you guys mean you don't take that talent at all?

[stone pike]

Right gotcha

[warm plinth]

Because we need bolster

[torn gust]

ye bolster

[toxic pewter]

BolsterBoys let’s GO

[stone pike]

I haven't actually adjusted any of my talents yet. I figured I'd wait until the various guides were finalized tomorrow.

[toxic pewter]

might as well wait till you get new tier pieces

[torn gust]

^

[white plover]

from pure dps perspective lets say against 5+ targets (all the same mobs)which talent gives more dps bs or punish?

[crude notch]

idk about u but i'm getting 4p tomorrow, thanks.

[toxic pewter]

lol

[stone pike]

I'm surprised to see this place advocating giving up a dps talent for a defensive one. Bolster must be really strong.

[crude notch]

bolster is a dps talent in s2

[daring marlin]

GOOD JOB

What are you doing tho?

[stone pike]

Oh shield block I misread it. Yeah I get it now.

[crude notch]

it's a dps talent because of it's interaction with tier set

[stone pike]

Yeah I just went and read it.

Makes sense now

[warm plinth]

Attempting to control my eating. I have binge eating disorder. Right now I'm just walking and controlling calories

Eventually I'll add more but one thing at a time

[daring marlin]

hell yeah bud

KEEP IT UP

[warm fog]

Is the Shadowed Impact Buckler any good ?

[sick sentinel]

apparently im on 9/16

[autumn roost]

Just sharing this image since I've been pinged here a few times about when to upgrade an item.

[warm plinth]

No

[daring marlin]

Love this lol

[sick sentinel]

mspaint gang hype

[autumn roost]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

PS is bettewr but 1 i aint payin for that shit, 2 im too stupid to pirate it correctly

[toxic pewter]

Thx

[autumn roost]

np np

[crude notch]

you're alright Larias, Lariat is better though, js.

[autumn roost]

😦

[crude notch]

Once I get the gems.

🙂

[stone pike]

I'm glad at least someone understands the upgrade system this tier. I certainly don't

[sick sentinel]

wait, can i only get to 4/7

[crude notch]

yes

that's all you need until tomorrow.

[sick sentinel]

oh, okay then, then im done in that case

[crude notch]

tomorrow you finish

and become the true hokage

[sick sentinel]

valor goes away forever too right

[warm plinth]

Well, until they bring it back a couple expansions from now

[chilly brook]

Hopefully not, honestly I really like the system they’re introducing

Gives incentive to do harder content

[warm plinth]

It has some flaws though, from an alt perspective.

[fresh igloo]

Warrior
Protection
[With weekly restarts] Fixed an issue where Battering Ram was providing a passive 20% critical strike damage bonus to all damage rather than to Shield Charge.
ah so they did fix it

[warm plinth]

Hell even from a main perspective, at first anyway

[chilly brook]

I guess?

On an alt you still needed to farm the resources and the gear with valor

[daring marlin]

[chilly brook]

Good change

[torn gust]

ye

[chilly brook]

Wasn’t healthy for your best trinket to be no longer available and 20+ilvl below new stuff

[torn gust]

so true

[daring marlin]

Still very funny

[chilly brook]

It’s one thing if it’s farmable still

Like coral

Or font

[fallow beacon]

lel

[warm plinth]

You did, but the difference is that you could do higher keys without suffering from a gearing perspective. The highest track of gear requires wyrm crests for 2 of the 3 upgrades, and aspect for the last one. So if you're doing 16+ keys for alts to get gear, you're going to end up having to do 11-15 level keys to get the wyrm crests

[chilly brook]

I would think that scenario only applies if you have a friend group helping to carry you

[true coral]

Welp. so much for the compensation after fixing the bug

[chilly brook]

Prot will be fine

[warm plinth]

You get 428 (the lowest rank of the highest tier) from +17s, but you need wyrm crests (which come from 11-15s) to upgrade those items for the first 3 upgrades, and aspect crests only for the final upgrade.

[chilly brook]

431

[warm plinth]

431 what

[chilly brook]

Oh nvm

U right

[dreamy wedge]

So this is like...if you had like 25% crit like a 4% dps loss? Assuming I'm not bad at math

[warm plinth]

Not really because by default you do 200% damage on a crit. This made it so you did 220% damage on a crit

So on non-crits it's not a loss at all

And on crits it's a 10% reduction I think?

[chilly brook]

Farming 9s for gear and then 11s for crests will be best for alts anyways

Unless like I said being carried

[warm plinth]

But not a flat 10% since obviously it does still impact shield charge

[autumn roost]

https://twitter.com/MiniaugDK/status/1655762207576293376?t=rvBGnh5N-iubB9v_e0_8MA&s=19

Mini (@MiniaugDK)

Thank you to
@WarcraftDevs
for completely destroying the class i spent the last 5 months prepping for less than 18 hours before the race starts. I truly appreciate your decision making to also destroy class trinket before so we are truly a useless spec.

Twitter · May 9, 2023, 2:30 AM

[torn gust]

lol

[daring marlin]

10% more prime stat on nelth trinket for us 👀

lol

[icy bane]

Don’t even want the trinket anymore kek

[warm plinth]

I'll give you 10% more prime stat

gottem

I'm freezing in this room rn. Damn you technology for needing to be kept cool

[stone pike]

God I hate Ruby Life Pools. Every time I've done it on +20 it's been a disaster. There's always something I fuck up.

[daring marlin]

Sounds like heaven

I love the cold

[daring marlin]

RLP is a top tier dung(not the last boss)eon!

[stone pike]

I don't know what it is. Every time I fix one mistake I made I make a bunch more and brick it. I suck so much at it.

[undone verge]

the only good dungeon this tier was halls of valor dont @ me

[white plover]

is it over for crit enjoyers?do we just aim for the boring vers/haste now?

[stone pike]

I could find something to like about them all except RLP. Even Azure Vaults I eventually got the hang of the front loaded route where you kill everything before the second boss and drop down to the third skipping the entire frog wing. RLP just sucks and so do I.

[daring marlin]

I feel like cobain is baiting

Don't fall for it!!

[undone verge]

terrible pool, next tier is bis tho

[daring marlin]

you are wildin' my friend

[misty moss]

Lol

[daring marlin]

AA and AV are amazing

[misty moss]

Right?

Right!?!?

[misty moss]

Nah. Still Haste/Crit I would think

[stone pike]

On the note of next season did they adjust Brackenhide Hollow to compensate for not having a disease dispel healer? That place feels like it'd be mandatory to have one as it is now.

Maybe I'm overestimating the damage those diseases do.

[daring marlin]

Only bad dungeons were SBG/CoS tbh

[daring marlin]

I just imagined that anakin/padme meme lol

[white plover]

let the warrior doom begin

[stone pike]

Assuming this isn't trolling what was wrong with those?

[warm plinth]

They were miles easier than the rest of the pool

[stone pike]

I mean yeah but I'll take that over something like RLP. An easy key to bust out for the weekly vault was nice when you couldn't be bothered.

[undone verge]

🧢 AV is cancer and AA is alright at best

[white plover]

we are miles behind brew dps wise ,we are flirting with bdk dps .Btw where's the woo bug fix for brew?

[undone verge]

AA is alright, AV just every single boss gets worse as you go along and the trash isnt too exciting either

the trash at the start is annoying

[stone pike]

Really? I always felt it went 1 >= 2 > 4 > 3 in terms of difficulty.

[undone verge]

not in difficulty, just the bosses get worse and worse in design

[stone pike]

Maybe I'm just too used to dumb pugs screwing up the flower destruction

[daring marlin]

SBG is the worst M+ dungeon they've ever had. It's simply annoying. After the third boss goes down you have to nearly fall off the platform and hug him to hit with any AoEs. First boss is also hot garbage for melee uptime.

Above all else they're criminally boring.

[modern brook]

av post boss nerfs isnt even a dungeon imo

in the state its in rn its so free imo

[undone verge]

its ez, but its got uninteresting/annoying mobs and bosses

[modern brook]

yah agreed

[undone verge]

Shadowmoon is fine, but its too ez and isn't even really a key
Court of Stars is annoying, too easy, and the trees along with tight spaces b4 the first boss suck
Halls of valor is fun, and is a lot better with the changes to the timer and tuning
Temple is too tight with terrible hallways, along with annoying trash and the bosses are uninteresting
Ruby life pools just sucks don't @ me
Algethar Academy is fine, its not bad, but its not good either. Tree boss is annoying with how ez it is with a certain comp, but how annoying if u dont have a good comp. Vex is annoying, last boss is boring.
AV is EZ, Uninteresting, annoying, and boring
Nokhood is actually a decent dungeon, but suffers from the fact that the dungeon wings are vastly different in difficulty and required comp.

[crude notch]

in the state it's in right now it won't even be a dungeon in 15 hours.

cwutididthere

[stone pike]

I used to have a problem with the first boss in AV until I realized I was a dumbass and clearing the wrong flowers with the destruction slam. If I clear the middle ones the rest are easy to get without overlapping the 5 rings.

[torn gulch]

positioning was key there
you'll see something similar on third boss in underrot

[daring marlin]

You're not funny

BOOMER

[crude notch]

wow

i thought we were friends

[daring marlin]

Friends tell eachother the truth

:^)

[warm plinth]

I think Underrot is a bit more lenient. It's a smaller area, and the tank hit is more definitive as far as knowing what you're going to hit with it.

[daring marlin]

Can have pallies clear with bubble/horse too

if people DERP

[warm plinth]

yeah or cloak, etc.

[daring marlin]

cloak

psht

[rustic tinsel]

Underrot on raging is going to be a doozy

[daring marlin]

PEASANT CLASS

[warm plinth]

eh I don't think it'll be that bad personally

Kicks are still possible, and in 2nd boss room your pulls were always limited to the number of bloodswarmers anyway

You could pull as much as you wanted as lonng as you didn't have a bunch of bloodswarmers

[rustic tinsel]

CC immune maggots and bloodswarmers will be something

[crude notch]

no

no

[warm plinth]

Who cares about CC immune maggots? You only pull 2 packs of maggots anyway

[crude notch]

whatever sim you're looking at if it's over 100k it's old

[rustic tinsel]

I always remember the maggots breath behaving odd if their spit went off and just spinning

[warm plinth]

The dangerous part of maggots is the death dot

[crude notch]

I'm aware, that's why I'm telling you if it's the one over 100k it's old and wrong.

There was an issue in simc with thorns of iron making it do more damage than it should

🙂

[warm plinth]

The old sim was Pumps when his guild helps him parse

jkjk

[daring marlin]

I can't wait for the...spiders? to eat people with their fixate

[crude notch]

And then on top of that they lost another 7% with the whitelisting stuff

[warm plinth]

Yeah those are the bloodswarmers

[daring marlin]

That shit was ass as melee on higher fort keys

[warm plinth]

But I believe they gave that a CD this time around so they aren't just going to spam it the entire time

[daring marlin]

fixates are dumb af

[crude notch]

yeah fixate won't recast i believe was the change.

24 second timer

[daring marlin]

Thank god

[warm plinth]

which is massive

[daring marlin]

COUNTERPLAY!

[warm plinth]

And you can stop sonic scream with non-kicks too

The lasher stun is also a 30 sec CD now so any class can get every kick

[daring marlin]

put more effort into ur than tjs lmao

[warm plinth]

instead of requiring a melee one

Well, anything but spriest and boomie I guess

[daring marlin]

I havrn't been this excited for a new season ever

S1 SL to 2 was w/e

[crude notch]

Bear is still 93k.

yep

[daring marlin]

No prot pally is doing that tho

hard inting

[crude notch]

And thorns is effectively dead for parsing purposes for bear

So it's a win win

[autumn roost]

yooo look how good bear is

tons of damage

[daring marlin]

lmao

[crude notch]

those 5 bears must die a lot

skyhold toxic

out

keep this up and i'm gonna call ion in the morning and tell him to give y'all bdk numbers

[daring marlin]

oof they got the vdh too

all the bugfixes

[cloud umbra]

awww man

i was really hoping VDH had its time

[fast knot]

Damn bro they gotta eat school lunch

School ain't even in session yet

[amber siren]

I get why they did it, it definitely wasn't an intended interaction

But also it was the most interesting tank tier set in a while so

Kinda wish they left it alone

[misty moss]

Haha nailed it

[timber wasp]

Hey guys, should I hold on to flightstones and stuff?

And the crests

[crude notch]

flightstones yes

[warm plinth]

The crests that we can get this week really don't matter at all

[timber wasp]

I should bank as many flightstones as I can tho for next week ye?

And I presume use spark on lariat?

[warm plinth]

No, we don't want lariat anymore

[amber siren]

If you want to min-max flight stones, you'll get all you can from quests till cap and then save the flight stone on-use stuff in your bags when you drop below 2000 but you'll probably be swimming in them anyway so I'm not sure if there's much point in getting that sweaty

[modern brook]

i just didnt use the consumables

[timber wasp]

What should I craft then?

[modern brook]

lariats ass

uhh shield, frost fire, or save it i think is the conensus

[timber wasp]

I wanna try craft stuff thats used for fury too

Cuz Im forced to play DPS a lot

[amber siren]

The shadowflame patch is pretty decent for prot too right? In ST

[raw pike]

i continue to be a fan of the vers wrists

[warm plinth]

There's no reason to make anything yet

You will get a ton of gear just from doing keys

We use the shadowflame patch for both embellishment slots @amber siren

[amber siren]

Ok yeah cool I thought so, just wasn't 100% sure

[warm plinth]

The vers wrists are trash now, relative to other embellishments

[daring marlin]

It's quite unfortunate considering it's one of the few that I made on my pally early on D:

[warm plinth]

They were buffed a super tiny amount but they are nothing compared to shadowflame or frostfire

[timber wasp]

Whats shadowflame?

[warm plinth]

The new embellishment

shadowflame-tempered armor patch

[timber wasp]

Ah, I havent seen it

Ill google

[warm plinth]

It's not available until next week because the recipe drops from neltharian in the raid

[timber wasp]

Ah yay, another 100k item first week

So its frostfire + the new embelishment?

[daring marlin]

@modern brook hey mf I need a DPS for a 20 RLP let's go

one last ride

[zenith sky]

I have a question for our macro experts: in BHH, would the following macro work to intervene the target of Gashtooth during the "marked for butchery" cast? /#showtooltip Intervene
/tar Gashtooth
/cast [@targettarget] Intervene
/targetlasttarget

[edgy viper]

What spec of warrior would be best for trying Mage tower?

[fast knot]

Agatha shouldn't be too difficult to get down, fury has insane cleave potential to clear most of the flamer boys, my attempts even would cleave the fumings before they could explode

Haven't done Arms/Prot since Legion though

[edgy viper]

Is fury easier to play than arms? because i am finding arms to be a bit annoying as a DPS spec

[fast knot]

Most of the tower challenges nowadays if you have an understanding of the class you shouldn't have that many issues

[edgy viper]

And my DPS as a Prot warrior in the challenges eems pretty low

Until tonight i hadn't actually tried since the DF release of them.

i did find out that i couldn't spell reflect the life drain

thought that would ahve been a good way of handeling that one

[mighty valley]

Prot is just an attention strainer, just have to stay aware of everything for a long ass time

Fury's pretty easy tbh

[edgy viper]

Was hoping to get the Arms one for the mount, but that challenge is just annoying

[ionic fern]

Prot one is pretty chill.

You actually don't even need to pay much attention to the knock off since you have double charge + leap.

And our DPS is really good. 👀

My bet's on you playing incorrectly.

[stone pike]

You guys were talking about this earlier, what was the talent recommended to drop if we need spell block?

[modern brook]

sorry i was getting aotc :^)

@undone verge thanks for the link

[ionic fern]

Pins.

[stone pike]

Oh yeah there it is. Cheers.

[modern brook]

all the warrior towers were pretty free on the mt runbacks

furys is negated by having access to impending victory

prot owns

arms' 90% learning the dance

[undone verge]

The true RTWL begins

https://www.twitch.tv/orinthe_

ive been watching them for like 5 hours now lol

They might be RTWL winners

[earnest canyon]

Hi everyone
Was wondering do we still need Enduring Defenses in m+, with last stand being on such a low cd and granting SB?

[ionic fern]

Ideally, yes.

We are giving up HR already.

Bolster+ED+CB will provide us 100% up-time on SB.

You can still play without ED/CB, but it means you will need to rotate defensives better and make use of SW to cover some potential caps etc.

[slender terrace]

you guys do the AV full skip route on fort weeks or nah?

[daring marlin]

Add me on discord you mongo

Not for keys now I'm going to bed lol

[lament shell]

bind ignore pain and shield block to one button

[amber siren]

[daring marlin]

[undone verge]

np, did it work tho?

[stone pike]

Well after failing another key my confidence is shot. It's not the dungeon it's that I suck apparently.

[daring marlin]

Was it you or the healer?!

[stone pike]

Definitely me. I was dropping dead all over the place despite my best efforts which apparently didn't amount to much.

[sonic moon]

Hope they nerf eranog ring this week.

Doesn't feel good to use old shit.

[undone verge]

They called raid

https://tenor.com/view/crying-rich-rebuilds-weeping-sobbing-devastated-gif-21958829

[crude notch]

might want to log so people can help you.

[stone pike]

Probably. I never remember to set it up.

[daring marlin]

Jordan would be the first to assist.

They are very helpful.

[ionic fern]

Stream a key for me on Discord once i get home from work. I'll yell at you real time.

[daring marlin]

Hahaha

[warm plinth]

Set it up now, then you can't forget

[crude notch]

Helpful Jordan, that's what they call me.

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Honestly just ping me with all questions, i got you fam

[ionic fern]

Analyse my logs and make me gud.

[daring marlin]

WHEN IS ARCANE SEASON 2

[stone pike]

I'm probably just being a downer from a bad few days compounded by trashing multiple keys today. A little under the weather too. I will do the logging thing though.

[crude notch]

🔮 2024 🔮

[daring marlin]

too long

[lucid pasture]

Eat testicles become a literal muscle monster

[daring marlin]

relax saladino

[lucid pasture]

[daring marlin]

next tell us how oatmeal is robbing us of nutrients

[lucid pasture]

Oatmeal is actually very nutrient rich, and i do recommend eating it on a daily basis, it's good fiber and protein

[stone pike]

Better than bran cereal? I actually discovered from that there is such a thing as too much fibre.

[lucid pasture]

There is a thing such as too much fiber yes

As far as i remember bran cereal has bit more fiber

But it's also like twice the price of oats

I think a kilo i can get for right around a euro

[stone pike]

A massive amount more. You basically have to eat a handful to not end up at 150% of your recommended fiber intake. I did not heed that instruction and it gave me a stomach ache for days.

[lucid pasture]

A massive amount more?

[stone pike]

Yeah. 45 grams is ~65% of the recommended fiber intake in Australia.

[lucid pasture]

I guess double what oats have

About same protein amount too

But then again, price is always a factor

For such a cheap price, i dont think bran cereal would ever beat out oats at all

The nutritional value oats hold are just too crazy at the price

[teal stratus]

hello fellas, im simple warrior and im kinda lost here - should i grab ilvl higher item + stack haste > vers or maybe just maybe somewhere in this discord some sim maniac have done calc/sims and created bis list or smth?
Dont eat me, int is not my primary stat!
Im talking bout 10.1.

[ionic fern]

Higher ilvl generally.
Sim for DPS otherwise.

[misty moss]

What was the sim dps bonus for us having full 4pc versus none at all?

[jagged pier]

big

[misty moss]

10k ish?

I remember that number for some reason

[scenic mural]

do we have the numbers on how feelsbad the bug fix to battering ram is?

[ionic fern]

Who cares.

Play the class cause you enjoy it.

1)Was it fixed?
2)Is it implemented in SIMC?
3)If both yes, then sim yourself and you'll see.

[jagged pier]

Im pretty sure they would note that its been fixed

cant see it anywhere

but as Mwahi said

who cares

[strong forum]

It'll be like 6-7%

[scenic mural]

jesus christ

[strong forum]

Maybe more

We'll still be 3rd highest simming tank

So nothing rly changes

But we'll just be less ahead of brew

And farther behind pally/bear

[hardy snow]

its quite funny how fast they fixed this bug after discovery, while ignore pain talent and bsv are broken since release of talent trees and the only thing that keeps IP talent alive is S1 4p

[strong forum]

Unnerving focus was bugged all of shadowlands

Some stuff has more prio than others

[hardy snow]

nerfing our dmg is higher prio then fixing issues in skills/talents mechanics

[strong forum]

Well, fixing a talent that increases your dmg output by 11%, yeah makes sense

[hardy snow]

was it? I remember reading some texts how crazy is that it wasnt broken as node in covenant tree, but became bugged in talent tree 🤔

[strong forum]

It didn't interact with banner at all

The rage gained from banner, auto attack or being hit (iirc) didn't get increased by unnerving focus

And or still doesn't

[warm plinth]

are you talking about blizzard saying the battering ram thing was fixed?

[remote venture]

"I enjoy what is meta"

[hardy snow]

ahh nvm, UF is rage one, i was still thinking about IP from dealing dmg one but didnt remember its name 😄

[strong forum]

BrV one is weird indeed

[hardy snow]

just to get new 2p asap and switch to deepwounds one

[warm plinth]

I like BrV so much better than FbV 😢

Just has a bit of skill expression since performing better means more absorb

[strong forum]

I reckon it'll still be good

But it's just so hard to quantify

[warm plinth]

yeah

[strong forum]

For anyone wondering, idk why it's not on wowhead

[warm plinth]

It is on wowhead, but it wasn't the headline of the post

[strong forum]

Oh yeah found it

[hardy snow]

they are still developing articles

[strong forum]

You'd think such a big thing would make a headline.

[hardy snow]

dont forget its one article per one class changed

[warm plinth]

Yeah you'd think so

[hardy snow]

and warrior is last on the list due to its alphabetical

[warm plinth]

Gotta generate the clicks

That's bold of them considering they didn't help me at all

[ionic fern]

It's just one of those "Lets send these out to people and let them fill them in so they think we carE" while in reality it goes to bin.

[strong forum]

"have you checked out wowhead?"

[warm plinth]

Yeah, at least the last GM said it's actually a known issue now, so that's something I guess

Which means it'll be fixed in like 12.0 or something

[jagged pier]

[jagged granite]

How long has this bug with battering ram been around?

[jagged pier]

since forever

[jagged granite]

Fml

They nerf dhs bug nd compensated with dmg increases

Where warrur luv

[strong forum]

That dh "compensation" only adds up to 2.3% St dmg

And less in aoe

But yeah I'd like an 4-5% aura buff or atleast an execute buff or smth

[vivid orchid]

that would be nice

[jagged pier]

imagine the rage tho

if that happened

[sick sentinel]

Hello 0 francais?

[ionic fern]

Yes, still 0.

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Dommage

[jagged pier]

I'm sure there are ppl in here that speak french. but its kept to one language so we all know what we are talking about

[crude notch]

lol we don't know what we're talking about in any language tbf

[strange night]

Sisi t'inquiète on est partout ! MP si tu cherches des infos en particulier

[broken kite]

is b-ram still strongly recommended, for the extra SS resets?

[sick sentinel]

Je t'ai MP

[karmic plinth]

we still wanted to take it regardless of the bug making it overperform

[broken kite]

hurts for m+ since i love disrupting shout lol

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[jagged granite]

#Buffexecute

[cerulean tusk]

Prot warrior had its time as being the best (by community perception), so we won't see any buffs before Gdruid and Vdh is stronger than warrior by a mile.

No matter, spec will still work to get weeklies easily done

[jagged granite]

#bigdikxecute

[jagged pier]

Gdruid already is stronger by miles in terms of dps

[jagged granite]

It really wasn't that much stronger in my perception tho

[limpid anchor]

Vengeance is already stronger, atleast in m+

[plush tendon]

[jagged granite]

Was just the influencers hyping it

[crude notch]

By miles?

Yikers

[strong forum]

With the most recent changes druid is at best equal with pally in dmg output

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern had the right idea lvling a druid

[strong forum]

They got hit a bit

[cerulean tusk]

Whatever you do tho, just don't start dooming (that killed DPS warrior in community perception), ya really don't want that to happen

[jagged pier]

I do

cause then this discord just becomes regulars

and we have a nice time

[chilly brook]

Idk I’ve historically enjoyed warrior the most when it’s been “doomered” by the community

[cerulean tusk]

I just want my insta 8 done

[topaz field]

please ping me when banner is back

[chilly brook]

8.0, 9.0-9.3

[jagged pier]

and u get comments at the end of dungeons like "I didnt know warrior was this good"

[chilly brook]

Being a prot warrior in early bfa was hilarious

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

it was great

[chilly brook]

“Yo how do you do so much damage?”

“I thought prot was shit, but I don’t have anything to heal”

[jagged pier]

"why do i not need to heal you?"

[cerulean tusk]

I rather take insta qué over egoboost

[jagged pier]

ive literally never had an issue

[chilly brook]

“Yo can you stop DPS? You keep ripping threat”

[jagged pier]

that sounds like a u problem tbh

[chilly brook]

Never had an issue

[jagged pier]

in SLs

in BFA]

[chilly brook]

Even in the bad days

And even if you did

[jagged pier]

literally always got invited

[chilly brook]

Just push your own key

[jagged pier]

I never push my own key

XD

[raw pike]

people are just happy to see tanks 90% of the time

[cerulean tusk]

If community perception reaches DPS warr levels ya gonna be

[chilly brook]

Brother

[jagged pier]

it was worse in BFA

that that

[vale escarp]

in SL Season 1 i didnt get insta invited

[jagged pier]

and in SLs S1

[chilly brook]

I don’t think prot warrior perception was ever as bad as it was in bfa s1

[jagged pier]

got insta invited all the time

[chilly brook]

And I still got insta invites

Like you had world first raiders saying it was paper class

And playing the game on hardmode

Just do keys

Get rating

Get invites

Press buttons good

Get more rating

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, let ne ask you this - did you ever Inc a Vdh other than for the lols?

I for sure did not

[chilly brook]

I’ve invited vengeance several times

[cerulean tusk]

That could become warrior if community perception changes

[chilly brook]

Vengeance was good last xpac

[cerulean tusk]

Sure you did mate. For the lols.

[chilly brook]

Is good now

My guy

You realize that every tank is represented in the top 50?

[topaz field]

the player is so much more important thanthe class

griff is right about everything

[chilly brook]

Nah

[topaz field]

if u dont get invited u dont get invited for a reason

[chilly brook]

I wish though

[cerulean tusk]

They can do the job, but I rather take a prot warr by default

[chilly brook]

That’s fine if you have a preference

But as a tank the problem is likely not your class

[cerulean tusk]

Most do, it trickles down

[chilly brook]

Even guardian has at least one dude in the top 50

[raw pike]

to be honest with all the hype for prot wars in s1 i was almost not inviting them half the time because they'd just be rerollers who only half knew the class

[chilly brook]

^^

Big true

[raw pike]

so many who didn't know some of the easiest spell reflects

[cerulean tusk]

Having exceptions doesn't turn perception sadly.

[chilly brook]

Perception doesn’t really matter

Tanks are always in demand

If you have rating you usually get invited

[cerulean tusk]

I rather take my insta Ques

[chilly brook]

Tank balance is literally the best balance in the game

Better than dps and heals

[jagged pier]

again we get insta invites

your literally dooming on perception when I dont think uve ever played warrior when the perception was at its worst

like amazingly i know what its like

and its still insta invited

[chilly brook]

Same

[chilly brook]

Also same

[raw pike]

in the end it doesn't matter what you play, rating is king

[cerulean tusk]

I never played warrior

[plush tendon]

season hasnt even started yet lads

[jagged pier]

yer let cut out half the sentence

[plush tendon]

[hardy snow]

"usually" is a good word for that 😄 in SL ive once got declined on my guardian druid, from the key that ive already done on higher lvl (was trying to get something lower for vault), by dude with far lower rio score, he later spend like 7-8min looking for another tank

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

True

[chilly brook]

It happens

Some people are weird

[hardy snow]

yea, its actually more funny than annoying XD

[chilly brook]

I had a similar experience, joined on a lower io alt and bricked the key after it started

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-mojo-jojo-him-thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine-evil-gif-4746375

[cerulean tusk]

Ya lads make me sad

[chilly brook]

Although I mostly did it because he had some choice words to say about me and the class I was playing despite it being high io

I’d like to think I’ve grown as a person since

[chilly brook]

Idk why we make you sad, all tanks are fine. Just play what you like and you can have success. If you’re running into a roadblock with getting invited it’s likely your rating. You can fix this by running your own key or joining keys that aren’t necessarily the ones you want but will boost your io

[cerulean tusk]

I done all the tanks, trust. I know the diff between fotm and unpopular tanks on the way up

Rio fixes it, but you still got to do more work for less

So... Rather take ny insta Ques

[chilly brook]

I mean ok lol

[cerulean tusk]

Haven't done monk this season tho, not my cup of tea 🍵

[chilly brook]

Making a mountain out of a mole hill

[crude notch]

the real solution to everything in this game is make friends and stop being insufferable

[chilly brook]

Like actually far over blowing the problem

[jagged pier]

yes have to do more work like run the keys as u would with any other tank

[crude notch]

yeah if you think it's bad getting rejected as a non-fotm tank, go play dps for a hot minute

[chilly brook]

I played vengeance during Nyalotha and I played prot 8.0-8.3

[raw pike]

finding groups as a dps warrior hoo lordy

[chilly brook]

Literally had almost no difference

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on how you see it for sure, I still stand on you don't want bad perception

[vale escarp]

I tried Monk, way to many buttons

[cerulean tusk]

Too monky, not enough shieldblock

[chilly brook]

Also played prot in 9.0 and vengeance again almost no difference

Maybe because I had io

[cerulean tusk]

It is io

[chilly brook]

Except I built the io on my warrior

[cerulean tusk]

If you around the break-off mark on Rio, your alt will all be fine

[chilly brook]

Yea

But here’s the problem

I built the io on the warrior

Didn’t have many issues getting instant invites, despite being “bad”

[cerulean tusk]

You played pure pug?

[chilly brook]

Yes

I strictly pugged s1

[cerulean tusk]

S1 DF?

[chilly brook]

No

9.0

SL

[jagged pier]

i have in 8.0 9.0 and 10.0

what u want to know?

[chilly brook]

Same in 8.0

[cerulean tusk]

Wasn't warrior strong in SL and BFA? I can only vaguely remember start of BFA bring rough (losing legendary)?

[chilly brook]

No lmfao

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged pier]

it was fine

but it was considered dogshit

[raw pike]

definitely not strong in the kite meta

[jagged pier]

and paper thin

[chilly brook]

It was strong in BFA but considered dogshit in 8.0

Got buffed into 8.1

[jagged pier]

and literally if u bought one to a +2 it would get 1 shot

[chilly brook]

Also considered dogshit in 9.0

[cerulean tusk]

I remember just pulling motherlode big and shittlze, snapping and that jazz

[chilly brook]

Lol

Imagine pulling motherlode big in 8.0

[cerulean tusk]

It was so long ago

[chilly brook]

Before you could block projectiles

[jagged pier]

kings rest

[cerulean tusk]

Oh true, KR

[jagged pier]

before u could block range

[cerulean tusk]

The shots indeed

Then you could block them... Big

[topaz field]

wasnt 8.0 peak tank gameplay with SB and IP on gcd? xD

[chilly brook]

IP ye

[jagged pier]

yes

[chilly brook]

And charge

[jagged pier]

i have ghun vid of IP on gcd

it was horrendous

[topaz field]

😄

[cerulean tusk]

Oh right, that was a thing too. The great everything on GCD phase of wow

[jagged pier]

if they do that again i quit

at least back then rage gen wasnt what its like now

you would overcap so much if ip was on the gcd again

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, warrior would likely not work at all

[chilly brook]

I mean it worked

It was clunky but it worked

[cerulean tusk]

In today's environment tho?

[chilly brook]

Depending on tuning it could

I wouldn’t want it to

But it could

[cerulean tusk]

Ofc, but let's presume it is only GCD slapped on

[chilly brook]

BFA isn’t super far removed from DF in complexity and design mind you

[cerulean tusk]

In theory it slows things down a lot

[chilly brook]

Iirc we were still around 60cpm back then

[cerulean tusk]

Man it would feel horrible

[chilly brook]

But yes it felt bad

[cerulean tusk]

Ofc, we still used our apm back then

I can't remember it being a big issue tho, just being slower

[merry umbra]

after playing dk s3-s4 in SL everything feels slow regarding apm tbh 😄

[jagged pier]

pretty sure we were higher in s3-4 of SLs

[cerulean tusk]

DK wasn't that fast, everything was on GCD in the end

[merry umbra]

didnt play war then but i was running 50% base haste with it jumping above 100 in big pulls

[jagged pier]

it was nothing to do with haste u were over 100 regardless

[cerulean tusk]

Are we talking apm as in cpm btw?

[jagged pier]

its the same thing

[ionic fern]

I always level the worst tank.

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, apm brings in eating souls and shit

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Will wait for your shaman tank vids

[ionic fern]

Nah.

I keep my secret tech to myself.

[cerulean tusk]

[crude notch]

rockbiter weapon poggers

[obsidian rampart]

Is there some trinket interesting in the cavern ?

[jagged pier]

drogbar rocks

[obsidian rampart]

The set or just one ?

[jagged pier]

just rocks

[mental scarab]

How Good is that one

[strong forum]

1k better than 415 whetstone

[hardy snow]

im gonna start new raid with whetstone and rocks, as I didnt manage to get grieftorch

unless tomorrow vault will be nice to me

[ionic fern]

I'm gonna start new raid without any trinkets so it reduces my ilvl so i can nail 100 ilvl parses on all the 2 bosses we will manage to kill.

[hardy snow]

haha XD

[crude notch]

2!?! That's a bit overambitious.

[tame jasper]

😳

[ionic fern]

I got high hopes.

[lament shell]

warriors

how bad is magic dmg in new dungeons

and raid

[strong forum]

🗿 / 🐤

[lament shell]

its over

[strong forum]

Magic dmg in raid has rarely ever been a concern

And in m+ it's often only very specific mobs/bosses that are potentially dangerous

Its best to just wait and see

[cerulean tusk]

[lament shell]

no tjs dark claws?

[strong forum]

Season isn't out so I wouldn't know

[toxic pewter]

Tjs is no longer in the dungeon pool

[lament shell]

sry that was just an example

[cerulean tusk]

We can hope for more of that stuff sr\sb value feels good

[hardy snow]

unless healers dont give a fuck about you "cause tanks can take care of themself"

[cerulean tusk]

My only gripe, is no more info reflects

[strong forum]

Raid is different

[lament shell]

ok no game breaking reflects yet

[strong forum]

You got 4/5 healers and an armada of externals to use

If you have issues with "magic dmg" it's just you and your raid not adapting to your individual needs

[lament shell]

i wanted to play broken veng but it got nerfed

[toxic pewter]

? Should still play it

[lament shell]

nerf is to big 0 reason to play it

[toxic pewter]

Lol