protection

[ionic fern]

Sense doesn't count

He's rank 0.

[final mist]

Fair, makes sense

That guy is built different

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

Asked him why he wasn't r1 r.io prot..said he diddnt want to bother with it..sent me a screen week later being r1 r.io prot.

Real normal

[marble cipher]

He's just the one that ranks everyone else, not WCL, Sense.

[final mist]

I bet he didn't even try to get it too

[ionic fern]

"just my weekly +30 keys for vault".

[final mist]

"Yeah I do 10 +30s every week, how could you tell?"

:gigachad:

[ionic fern]

Also,wait, are you playing double warriors in keys if you're with Garms?

[final mist]

If we're doing keys together yeah, but we don't do keys all that often together

[uneven mason]

"we started with a +2 for valor and couldn't be fucked to remake the group so we ended up in +27, when I realized we still had this 365 mage with us" -

[final mist]

Otherwise I'll be on an alt (healy Priest or DH/Hunter )

[ionic fern]

Resto shaman is fun,heal on that.

[final mist]

I've somehow ended up really enjoying the two dps classes that infuriate me to no end when I'm tanking

[edgy kindle]

Dumb question, is there any chance we'll be able to change weekly vault tokens for sparks again? Crafter gear sounds a better option than most of what a weekly chest can offer

[final mist]

I've played it for leveling but tbh I just really like holy and disc

Also Priest made out like bandits this tier

[ionic fern]

Dh and hunter?

[final mist]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

Sometimes you just need to turn off the brain

[ionic fern]

I despise DH's..Hunters are in the 2nd spot. Just dashing into frontals or using The Hunt before i reach the mobs and then they complain.

[final mist]

Me when tanking: "God I fucking hate DHs so much all of them are brainless apes who don't understand anything other than go in and press meta and wonder why they die when they're standing on the tank who has a marker and eating frontals... AND THEYRE TERRORISTS WITH AOES"
Me on my DH: "haha death sweep go brrr"

At least I main MM on my hunter so I am able to avoid the brainless pepega BM bullshit I hate about it

Explosive shot is pure dopamine

[ionic fern]

Isn't MM gimped with 5+ targets?

[final mist]

Explosive Shot is uncapped, but otherwise yeah

Requires 3+ targets for Trick Shots to proc and that has a cap

I mean it deals reduced damage at 6+

But that doesn't really matter when it explodes and you're suddenly doing 250k

[ionic fern]

My biggest gripe with playing dps is that even if i level one,i can't get to m+ groups cause i got no io and i'm competing against 200 people.

Don't have the time to wait around for groups.

[final mist]

That's my only issue with them too

[ionic fern]

[final mist]

I'll usually just run my own key or play another game until friends are around to run stuff

[ionic fern]

Je,playing with a group will make it a lot easier.

Gotta get that 3.5k score to get into a +20 and even then you get declined cause "sorry,you're not a fotm class".

[final mist]

Pugs are super weird about that shit, it's insane

Classic as usual tho

[ionic fern]

Try asking people looking for specific classes..you get some wild responses. Dm'ed a person looking for a prot pally for a +20 regarding why prot pally..he said because they are good..i asked why are they good..and got /ignored.

Good times.

[final mist]

Classic

My favorite is the "hey yeah I know you're 415 and 2800 io but you're not a paladin so I'm not gonna invite you to this 16"

[ionic fern]

Jep. Good old pug logic. I wanna know what goes through their heads and how they make decisions irl.

[toxic gyro]

Facts I tried to pug some 24s I’m missing yesterday and was getting declined to every single one by 2800-2900 sbg/cos heroes

[modern brook]

smh this guys only 2800 and wrote the guides for the spec hes playing probably trsh tbh

[toxic gyro]

Then I was like fuck it let’s have some fun in 20s and still was getting declined to some of them

[pallid quiver]

I run into enough people trying to explain their actions that I know that I don't want to know what goes through their heads, but I need to for my sake of not dying

[final mist]

"X youtuber/streamer told me Y is trash so I can't bring it at all"

That's it

[dusky canopy]

“This guy wrote the guide, he’s probably trash”

[remote venture]

All this META CLASS ONLY PLAYABLE is so tiresome

[sick sentinel]

hierlooms go to 70 now?

[uneven mason]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

why this wasnt in 10.0 on the official patch day day or like, 2 weeks from then

is totally beyond me

[dusky canopy]

For as long as we have data and the content creators to spread there opinions we will have the meta slaves.. it’s just the way it goes nothing will really fix it..

[pallid quiver]

even if we didn't, people would find a way

[dusky canopy]

The community has adopted a mindset that you can’t succeed unless you have the top 5 specs

[final mist]

Well clickbait content like that is also just how shit like YouTube works

[remote venture]

Yes, it's the plebs that are the issue!

[dusky canopy]

Top tank/top healer/top 3 dps

[topaz field]

the problem is that people dont watch the videos fully

it is mentioned 200 times

[sick sentinel]

where do i find more information about how to get upgrades

[topaz field]

that every class is good etc

[sick sentinel]

or is it same location and gold

[dusky canopy]

Also keep in mind you really only have fotm slave problems at the mid range keys and the very high end keys

[topaz field]

but ppl are simply too lazy to use their own brain

[urban bane]

is this all in response to drat/tettles raid tank tier list

[pallid quiver]

Nah, Mwahi was just saying why he doesn't like to play DPS

[pallid quiver]

I've been declined from +2s before back in S4 SL as a Prot War before because "we can't clear with a war" according to the group lead when I asked

[dusky canopy]

No muse more or less just conversating

[pallid quiver]

It's extremely rare, but

never underestimate the no think crew

[undone verge]

I saw someone looking for specifically a Ppal for a 20

[topaz field]

which is fine imo

it has CR

which is not the communitys fault

but i think a pug key needs CR

[dusky canopy]

So as an example, If a group thinks they can’t clear a +20 because you’re not on the meta tank they probably have a really slim shot of completing it anyway. So you dodged a bullet

[undone verge]

There’s no world where you need a meta tank for anything lower than a 25

[undone verge]

^

[topaz field]

i didnt say that

but i really think

[dusky canopy]

It’s acceptable to want the best classes at the “bleeding edge” keys but anything else it’s irrelevant

[topaz field]

that a +20 with complete randoms

needs a combat rez

[modern brook]

If you're in a position where you have to pug your keys, you're better off not playing wow -tbh

[urban bane]

rgr i saw their video this morning and turned it off because there wasn't enough caffeine in me to process that shit lmao

[modern brook]

ppl that pug to 3k are finsubs

[novel cloak]

finsubs?

[sick sentinel]

ya, if they got the heirlooms to 70 now, now im interested

[dusky canopy]

I pugged 2850 and really wanted to do 3k but I was to late to the party.. I had pretty much nothing but shit show groups for the past 4-5 weeks LOL

So I was like ehh so what, it’s not in title range anyway so no big deal

[undone verge]

Guardian druids and bdks have bres too but I can assure you they weren’t gonna invite them

[topaz field]

i mean there are like 10 guardians on the server

and 1 played the entire season with me

so 9 left

obviously u look out for a paladin then

not that hes also carrying hard in the interrupt department

[dusky canopy]

My co tank is a 3k guardian they do exist

[topaz field]

which is really a struggle for pugs

[dusky canopy]

We always tell him he’s top 50 out of 51 people

[sick sentinel]

dpsDK is your best friend in any keythough

[modern brook]

financial submissives

[sick sentinel]

they are so god damn handy as warrior

to literal pull shit to you

some caster dickhead fucker

casting 30 icebolts ina row

[novel cloak]

i pugged to 2800 😂

[modern brook]

you're in the clear

[dusky canopy]

I really enjoy running with priest/DK

[modern brook]

3k is the cut off

[novel cloak]

im too old to deal with all the grief from ppl in discords/guilds

so i just prefer to play on my own now

[dusky canopy]

Rip I didn’t make it

Oh I wait I’m not a financial submissive because I’m below 3k

Bet

I’m in the clear

[undone verge]

I’d rather pour bleach in my eyes and stub my toes on a sewing needle individually than pug to 3k

[final mist]

Honestly if you're early in the season and pugging higher, it's not too bad

[dusky canopy]

When I did 21s it was pretty much like a 1/3 success rate

But mileage will vary ofc

[modern brook]

I'm very glad this sentence came to be

[undone verge]

20s actually get harder over the season

[final mist]

Yeah

There's this like

Dead zone, I guess you can call ot

[undone verge]

Cause all the people doing 20s early on are doing 25s by the end, and all the people doing 14s early on are doing 20s by the end

[final mist]

Where essentially the middle management andies are doing keys and its just hell

[dusky canopy]

Right at some point you’re better off farming 21s to avoid the “barely do 20s” players

[final mist]

Yeah

[undone verge]

Almost timed a 21 HoV the other day but the groups top dps was doing under 70k and one of the dps had 2 interrupts over the entire key

[final mist]

[modern brook]

my favorite pug moment is when you're in a tyranical

[pallid quiver]

Sounds like most 20s I've ever run

[modern brook]

and you're on the first boss

and its 4 minutes later and the boss isnt dead

and you're like "oh man its gunna be one of those"

[undone verge]

Yep

[modern brook]

" shit tank died to tank buster (at the 6 minute mark)"

[final mist]

I always love the people who do negative dps as well as don't use any utility

They're my favorite

[modern brook]

I too love dh

[undone verge]

Yeah, or when the entire group dies cause they didn’t interrupt at all, and you’re sitting there living for like 50 seconds while they run back and you die right before they arrive and then it’s your fault

[final mist]

Spriests PIing themselves with the talent? Hell yeah brother

Love DHs not using Darkness or Blur

Or CC

Etc

It's great

[modern brook]

in DHs defense they have to like use momentum to be able to perform 30k lower than their sim

[final mist]

4 minutes into Tyr Hyrja as a Disc Priest with every dps having defensive available and not one using them on the storm

Is just the best

[final mist]

Not an excuse tbh I play dh now

[undone verge]

Just beat ur sim 4head

[uneven mason]

Wonder if there's a tattle tell add-on that lists all the CD someone had available when they die

"Soandso ate tiles while saving his health stone, enraged Regen and defensive stance for a rainy day"

[undone verge]

I used to be able too, now I’m washed

[sick sentinel]

imma try to get my weekly shit done, see about those upgrade tokens

[final mist]

There's add-ons that will track peoples' CDs

You just have to look

I use them when I'm tanking to track how big I can pull and when in Healing to get mad at dps for dying when Turtle is up and they could've immuned something

[modern brook]

bro i HATE these addons

"you know what will get people to get out of fire on the ground? covering their screen with a giant chat bubble"

[final mist]

OmniCD has this sort of setup, pretty customizable, it's nice

[modern brook]

lets go Marge

[uneven mason]

Run it as a emote to avoid chat bubbles

[modern brook]

Yah thats just it either 1) its a chat bubble and is horribly invasive or 2) its not a chat bubble and it does literally nothing that just referencing damage taken in details wouldnt

[sick sentinel]

legit i saw mario bros lvl 1-1 for a few frames

pipe, bricks, sky, bit of red

[uneven mason]

I'm going for comedy, not function

[final mist]

LOL

[sick sentinel]

if i do 2 more mythics, does this count to 0/5?

[final mist]

Mythic and heroic dungeons are different

[sick sentinel]

damn, cuz i gotta do, a mythic, a mythic 15 to 20, then 5 heroic dungeons, gd-it

[uneven mason]

Heroics are just a hard press w

If you're doing + 15s you can run boss to boss

[undone verge]

My favorite is when w to the boss then my entire group is dead

[sick sentinel]

i still have to be mentally and physically present for it, takes like, an hour maybe

[uneven mason]

Just kill boss

[final mist]

The heroics and M0 you don't really have to be

[sick sentinel]

probably alot faster and less headache for group im carrying if i am

[uneven mason]

Chances are you're going to end up with a Chad DPS in your heroics who is going to w for you if you don't

[modern brook]

I've gotten kicked for that 😦

in HoI specifically

[undone verge]

Skill issues tbh

[uneven mason]

Yeah legit got to the last boss in a heroic AV and the healer was suddenly "stop trying to kick the tank just because he's carrying you faster than you can run ffs just take the free dungeon"

[modern brook]

I did a heroic AV where the tank was a VDH doing the like +25 route, where u jump off first ring to skip both

[uneven mason]

Hoi "dh face tanks frogs, dies, goes wtf tank"

[modern brook]

everyone was mad but me 🙂

[uneven mason]

Laughs in heroic leap

[modern brook]

i was on my rogue but i had the shadow lands fall damage toy engineering thing

[uneven mason]

Those wind pots are handy too

[modern brook]

yah true and real

[quick zealot]

I've noticed there's quite a difference between the rotation on IcyVeins and WowHead. The one on icyveins is much more offensive focused (ava->demo->rava->thunder->SS->TC->ExecuteORRevenge) than WowHeads

is there a preferred rotation that's published somewhere?

[sick sentinel]

YOU CAN JUST WALK OVER IT

[quick zealot]

and the icy veins rotation seems to neglect shield block/SR altogether

[sick sentinel]

didnt know it was this easy to skip in AV

[uneven mason]

Why would you use Sr rotationally

Yeah SB should be taken into consideration, idk never read either guide

[final mist]

We also don't have a rotation due to the way the spec works, it's a priority system

[quick zealot]

yeah buddy that's the frogless skip

[uneven mason]

SS TC revenge

[quick zealot]

yeah i didn't really mean that in the traditional sense, i just noticed it was absent

[quick zealot]

that makes sense

i dunno i've been struggling lately on prot - feeling squishy and kinda frustrated

[uneven mason]

Logs? Content?

[quick zealot]

sec

[sick sentinel]

i've played so many video games that i just gave up on reaching some area of scenery and started 5heading shit

[uneven mason]

Frogs were free % after their HP was nerfed though

[quick zealot]

@uneven mason M+ i just feel like i'm getting chewed up with normal size pulls. Here's my sim. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dY9MqPBoJ1D6Fsiob6FsM2

and logs i'll pull in one sec

[modern brook]

you're 404 with a 398 shield in new k value land

[uneven mason]

Wtf is that shield accurate?

[quick zealot]

lmao yes

is that the problem

[uneven mason]

Bro

[quick zealot]

please tell me that's the problem

[uneven mason]

Shield should be highest ilvl item

[quick zealot]

wow, thank you

alright

[uneven mason]

We'll see

[quick zealot]

i think i don't really understand DR well enough

[uneven mason]

But like that is "A" problem

[modern brook]

I mean

You're just low ilvl period

[uneven mason]

We're literally the block tank

[modern brook]

this wouldve struggled before the kvalue bump in anything much higher than 18s

[quick zealot]

phew

this makes a lot of sense

[uneven mason]

I'm not much higher but I'm toting a 424 cardoor

[quick zealot]

Should I just get a shield made?

or hold out for a specific drop?

I'm guessing the former

[uneven mason]

But could be an execution thing,. like we're tanky af, of you're spending into IP

[modern brook]

yah log still worth digging into tbh

[uneven mason]

Like, if you're that low and not running hr, because the guide says itf, chances are you're getting decked outside of block

[quick zealot]

that sounds feasible. Generally I'm favoring SB when it's available, and using the SB -> IP macro

[uneven mason]

Since itf requires a lot of haste to not have SB gaps

[quick zealot]

IP when the mobs call for it

[uneven mason]

Wat

What SB IP macro

[quick zealot]

the one in pin

[uneven mason]

You press IP to bleed rage to force am to cycle your cds

Ss/IP

Rather IP/SS

[quick zealot]

nvm i'm sorry, i got that confused

i think i have a lot to work on

gonna go just

take a nap

[modern brook]

logs

🪵

[quick zealot]

I gotta head to work

i'll be back - but thank you guys, you've given me a lot to think about

[uneven mason]

No external emoji, otherwise I'd be like "the more you know"

Oh God he's gonna leave us hanging without logs

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[modern brook]

great now what am i supposed to do? my job?

[uneven mason]

IKR

[dusky canopy]

I think my favorite pug group season 1 was a 21 AA were all 3 dps did 120k and I did 94k

[uneven mason]

He doesn't have any logs

It's all leaderboard

[modern brook]

https://tenor.com/view/why-god-why-gif-22951438

fun fact having aotc gives you an omni token

less fun fact i havent killed raz on my warrior

😦

I know what todays gunna be

[clear tulip]

How do we best handle long periods of DoT's? Like Crawth's bleed. Coordinate with our healers?

[shut summit]

die

[final mist]

Roll over

Cry

[reef rock]

IP Spam, pray

[final mist]

I'm not a religious man, but bosses like Crawth make me one

[shut summit]

really just comes down to coordinating with healer ye, as long as you are using defensives properly it's rough af boss for us

not sad to see it go

[final mist]

Same

[dusky canopy]

Crawth is uhhh…

Bad

[clear tulip]

What were some other hard tank busters we needed to overcome? Lu 2nd phase Jade Strike?

[final mist]

That one

Second RLP boss could be tough too

Only three bosses this season that were really higher difficulty than the rest IMO

[clear tulip]

Those searing slashes were diesel!

[shut summit]

only ones that ever really had me care/ pay close attention were green phase jade boss and crawth, everything else pretty comfy for me

[clear tulip]

Wordd coming off of Prot Pally I need to get my mindset right. Looking to main Warr moving forward. Very Proactive tank yes?

[uneven mason]

We've pretty much established that you get drunk and fall down stairs and end up having a timed +29 stuck in your ear though.

[final mist]

Yes, we don't react to damage after it happens.

You have to be aware and know what's coming to prepare for it, moreso than any other tank.

[uneven mason]

Sure we do - we die

[final mist]

I mean yes but that's more of a "well well well if it isn't the consequences of my inactions" than a real reaction

[dusky canopy]

You prevent damage as this tank

Witch is why we’re superior

Ofc

[final mist]

Essentially, it's hard to recover from a hole you've dug yourself into by not pressing buttons but as long as you're pressing buttons when you should

You'll never dig your own grave

[dusky canopy]

Yeah basically if you’re half health for any reason other than a tank buster you are scared

[unkempt hatch]

Is forgestorm out BIS weapon this season?

[dusky canopy]

Hard bis

Yes

441 better than anything else available

[clear tulip]

Worddd this is some good talk, How's the tier set looking for us?

[dusky canopy]

Acceptable

[unkempt hatch]

It wasn’t on the Dg bis list on wowhead so I was confused

[dusky canopy]

I can’t believe it’s not tbh

[urban portal]

bis is your highest ilevel

on weapon

[uneven mason]

Bis lists don't generally include m+ items because it's vault luck to target them

[unkempt hatch]

Fair enough

[uneven mason]

Afaik

[dusky canopy]

Generally yes however unless I missed some convo in here 441 pogstorm smokes everything else? Even 450 weapons

[junior ivy]

THERE'S A SNAIL MOUNT?

[urban portal]

maybe

[dusky canopy]

Idk if you saw noms screenshot the other day

That’s 441 pogstorm vs theoretical 450 strike twice

[unkempt hatch]

I don’t think they have 450 1hands ?

I think Raid drop for 1 hands stops at 447

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s a reference point

[urban portal]

thats a good reference

[unkempt hatch]

Gottcha

I shouldn’t have any issues doing 7s at 404 ilvl right? Like come Tuesday spam nelth over and over hoping for a drop until it comes in vault later on lol

[undone verge]

I assume the % drop is at most 5 lvls so if you can do a 12 rn you can easily do a 7

[unkempt hatch]

I haven’t tried any m+ on my warrior

Typically not a m+ enjoyer. I do it for gear when needed and score for KSM

[strong forum]

closer to 3

[unkempt hatch]

My 405 druid could do a 12 TJS so I mean I’m sure my warrior could do a comparable key

[topaz field]

y u should

[unkempt hatch]

😭😭

I’m bad tho. I think I just end up with less than good groups half the time.

Fort bolster?! Ewwwie that is ick

[violet flume]

SBG is really easy tho

you can wipe a lot and time it

as a tank i feel the only scary stuff is the skeletons

[dire kiln]

imagine those slappers before 1st boss if you miss step and hit, ouch

[violet flume]

although bolstering not increasing damage next season feelsgoodman

[uneven mason]

TFW doing 14s at 367 in a guardian

[dire kiln]

there's also teh rest of the group tho

[violet flume]

yeah but like i said you can wipe a lot and time it

[dire kiln]

which sure wasn't low

[violet flume]

its not like AA where one wipe means no timer on +20

SBG and CoS the timer is super lenient

[toxic pewter]

I’m actually looking more forward to season 2 dungeons than season 1

I wasn’t a big fan of most of season 1 dungeons

[ionic fern]

S2 dungeons

[jagged pier]

dont worry they only get worse

[ionic fern]

seem horrid.

[toxic pewter]

I think they are better

[ionic fern]

Did you play them in m+?

😂

[topaz field]

freehold is garbo

UR is pretty garbo

[toxic pewter]

Ya I tested each on ptr

Wat

[topaz field]

and all DF dungeons looked pretty garbo

[ionic fern]

Freehold/UR are fine.

[toxic pewter]

Bfa dungeons own

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure brackhollow has more mechanics in it than all of S1 dungeons combined

[ionic fern]

DF dungeons look horrid.

[topaz field]

freehold is a desaster

unless u have a rogue

[jagged pier]

like the worst 3 of the DF dungeons are this season

[toxic pewter]

I am ok with linear longer dungeons though so I know I am an outlier

[uneven mason]

Can't wait to take group fear break because pugs can't be fucked to kick

[toxic pewter]

I will say I think picking good group going to be more important this season

[uneven mason]

Nah

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[uneven mason]

Just going to be more tank carrying

[jagged pier]

theres 2 solutions for this

5 tank

or dont run keys

[toxic pewter]

Lol

I dunno im always optimistic and excited for new seasons I guess

[scarlet mesa]

i tanked my first mythics on my prot warrior

[toxic pewter]

Maybe im just wrong on all accounts

[scarlet mesa]

nice 360 ilvl

LOL

[topaz field]

rookie mistake

[toxic pewter]

Lol

I’m just not jaded and cynical as most wow players

[topaz field]

its so funny how people only remember freehold with the bfa S4 affix

and will be surprised how fucking dogshit this dungeon is without shroud/vanish/feign etc

the entire fun of fh is basically the first pull

[urban bane]

i skipped bfa so i dont remember freehold at all

[toxic gyro]

I mean you can invis pot a lot there too

[topaz field]

wow

lets invis pot guys

nice experience

[toxic gyro]

Wow let’s just hold w like monkeys 🙈

[toxic pewter]

Don’t have to do any of that

Just play the game

RouteLords can fuck off

[plush tendon]

now hold on a second

[urban bane]

you dont even hafta do the captain rp shit right?

[uneven mason]

Why I joined an all druid guild so I can secretly just have my warrior tank with 4 guardians running atwf for heals

[urban bane]

so you can just W

[plush tendon]

I only ever follow the Dratnos approved route

[toxic pewter]

Nothin worse than a routelord

[plush tendon]

if we veer off the route even by a smidgen I leave the key

[toxic pewter]

Right

I’m anti routelord in wow and in life in general

[urban bane]

"you pulled this extra pack in my 14 freehold im gone"

😡

[uneven mason]

Best routlord is the one in a +7 who's like "let's do the MDI skip"

Proceeds to face pull literally everything then rage quit the key

[toxic pewter]

“My way or the highway” people suck ass

[strong forum]

ive played 3 full seasons of BFA without any kind of invis skips

FH is still nice 🙂

[plush tendon]

FH is cool

its got pirates

[daring marlin]

Agreed

[plush tendon]

and a turtle

[strong forum]

i despise rogue and invis skips

[plush tendon]

I like turtles

[strong forum]

so nothing changes for me

[daring marlin]

Except Eudora weeks were sketch

[topaz field]

the only thing i enjoyed in fh was painful motivation

which is nerfed pre release

[daring marlin]

eudora tyrannical weeks

[topaz field]

sadge

[plush tendon]

every week is Eudora week

😄

[topaz field]

is the first boss playable this time?

[strong forum]

they fixed eudora and fist boss

[daring marlin]

I meant in bfa, goofy man!

[toxic pewter]

I suspect leavers going to be at all time highs that’s why I was saying picking good groups going to be important this season

[topaz field]

or we still have to hide on any reasonable key level

[ionic fern]

Always has beem.

[toxic gyro]

Right

[plush tendon]

whats gonna be at a all time high is sale runs

[strong forum]

eudora and first boss no longer do all their dmg as 1 hit, instead they leave a dot and have lower impact dmg

[daring marlin]

It was playable. Ranged range and melee LoS.

garbage but playable 🙂

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[plush tendon]

business gonna be boomin

[toxic pewter]

Well yeah that too lol. Do people even level their own characters anymore

[daring marlin]

Fuckin' first boss shotgun you to the face

big oof

[plush tendon]

I know people who buy 20 sales cause they dont want to deal with group finder

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[plush tendon]

they arent bad players.... they just dont want to deal with it

[toxic pewter]

wtf lol

[plush tendon]

or have a alt they cant be bothered to train up

[toxic pewter]

That’s wild

[plush tendon]

afk for 20-30 mins, get a key done, ez

[daring marlin]

People got gold to spend

[toxic pewter]

But like.. when do they actually uh

Play the game

[plush tendon]

the AH is their end game

[toxic pewter]

Oh I see

[ionic fern]

If i had the gold i would 100% get my alts boosted for gear.

And once they are full geared i would actually start playing them.

[toxic pewter]

How much is a 20 cost

[plush tendon]

they get home from their 9-9 Goldman Sacs job... to play the AH

[strong forum]

im not a fan of getting boosted even when i have the gold

[ionic fern]

I'm not a fan of playing my alts when they don't have gear.

[strong forum]

im an independant black woman who dont need no man

[plush tendon]

depends

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[ionic fern]

And getting boosted is the quickest way for muh gear.

😂

Well, would be..

[plush tendon]

how much you willing to spend and how much boosters will do it for

[ionic fern]

But i got no gold

So i don't play alts.

[strong forum]

tokens are rising in price

[plush tendon]

^ this too

[toxic pewter]

Like estimate? Maybe like what 20k gold?

[ionic fern]

Already bought one for this tier.

[final mist]

I do rat carry keys between my friends and I, helps

[plush tendon]

for a 20? maybe 600k-700k

[plush tendon]

rat keys are important!

but thats a homie special

[toxic pewter]

That’s prob too low

[daring marlin]

Numbers nerds

[strong forum]

rat keys are awesome

[final mist]

Nothing is quite as fun as being a 368 alt in a 21 HoV

And getting a trinket first run you've wanted on your main for weeks

[clear tulip]

Who are some strong Prot Warr youtubers I can watch? One for content & One for guides?

[strong forum]

my prevoker has leech whetstone

[strong forum]

we dont have dedicated pwar content creators

[ionic fern]

Untapped market.

Gogogog.

[final mist]

So you're saying there's a void of easily exploitable content for someone to fill

LOL

BRB time to get the branding tool out again

[clear tulip]

Yikes! Looks like a need a setup! 😆 been finding some less than decent folks so far while searching

[strong forum]

checks out

[final mist]

There's a couple of dudes here that stream (infrequently) but are very good

[ionic fern]

Me?

aww.

You shouldn't have,.

[final mist]

If sense is ever streaming, watch him

Mwahi is decent too

Anyone else here with a color name

Not to toot my own horn here but back in my day I was pretty alright 👴

[uneven mason]

#checks twitch notifications...

Sense streams?

[ionic fern]

Ye, but you old now.

Game too fast.

[final mist]

Once in a blue moon

[strong forum]

sense streams once in a blue boon

ey

my line

[ionic fern]

He uploads on YT tho.

[final mist]

That's why I'm a MM hunter now

[rancid ember]

but awakened 😠

[final mist]

Just outrange all the mechanics and spend 3 seconds casting one aimed shot

[strong forum]

hence why 3 and not 4

[rancid ember]

🫶

[strong forum]

sounds like a terrible experience

[ionic fern]

I think we should get Blizzard to slow down the game so the real audience of the game (the guys who were 12 when i came out and are now ~30) can play it.

[final mist]

It's more fun now since it wants haste this tier

Aimed shot takes 2 seconds to cast now

[strong forum]

go watch the HC classic death compilations....

you see things on there

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

where youd literally fall out of your chair how dumb their deaths are

[final mist]

Honestly they should buff old legendaries to be competitively viable

"Okay I'm gonna run in and hit three sunders, I'll be back in 15 minutes"

[strong forum]

like get this: drowning without fatigue levels of dumb

[modern brook]

yeah i miss being able to use thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker

[final mist]

I used to have a clip somewhere of a death on argus

[strong forum]

bro....

[ionic fern]

[chrome falcon]

probably a FAQ but can you cancelaura last stand with the tier set to trigger it instantly? probably not often the correct choice but

[final mist]

Got hit by tankbuster, went to move out, clipped a scythe, bounced between 5 of them and then died to I think another tank buster

Classic sal

[strong forum]

this hurts so much

[strong forum]

fixed

[chrome falcon]

huh interesting

[strong forum]

it was cancelable for a couple weeks, but LS is no longer cancelable to get the proc early

which is honestly a good thing

cuz cba answering "when is it best to cancelaura"

[sick sentinel]

what are options to get to uldaman as horde

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/slander-meme-memes-funny-whiteboard-gif-22147047

^literally nome if it was cancelable still

[final mist]

We'll probably get a portal nearby like we did for older dungeons

[toxic pewter]

be vulpera and set camp there lol

[sick sentinel]

furry

[toxic pewter]

oh true

[toxic pewter]

dude youre literally a tauren

[sick sentinel]

is the problem with that

[final mist]

I can't imagine they'll keep the TJS and SBG portals around

[rancid ember]

lmao

[daring marlin]

I'll just get a portal there

vulpera yuck

[tropic gorge]

Can't wait for new content to open up

[toxic pewter]

yogi you are a tauren player do you not see the irony in calling me a furry

[sick sentinel]

yes, bull tank, warrior bull

[toxic pewter]

jfc

[sick sentinel]

minotauren

[tropic gorge]

Haven't touched dungeons in a couple weeks now
I'm getting bored

[daring marlin]

hah furry

[toxic pewter]

hangs head dejectedly

[final mist]

You both play inferior races, calm down

[toxic pewter]

shakes head

I am Troll now for the record

[tropic gorge]

Still inferior to the dwarf

😉

[toxic pewter]

but the cognitive dissonance is astounding

not really Troll is actually my bis race

[sick sentinel]

tauren is way less on the fury scale

[toxic pewter]

Troll mega slept on

[sick sentinel]

than worgen, or panda or other

[final mist]

We're warriors, we aren't known as intellectual bastions

Ofc there's cognitive dissonance

[tropic gorge]

Dwarf is bis race all races hands down. Don't @ me. You know I'm right

[daring marlin]

True. Human bis.

[compact forum]

Orc is the only true warr race

[final mist]

That's a weird way to spell nightborne

[sick sentinel]

wrong, completely wrong

[toxic pewter]

Its wild how people dont consider Troll better. 3min berserker literally lines up with our cooldowns better than any race. In combat healing actually adds up to be a shit ton over time.

[compact forum]

Massive shoulder xmog is bis

[tropic gorge]

Orcs are the only race that can do the naked MOG correct

[sick sentinel]

orcs are exceptional warriors, but not be all end all

[tropic gorge]

Other races are silly when naked. Except orcs

[daring marlin]

Female maybe.

Males are an abomination

[sick sentinel]

so much huge L takes going on rn

[daring marlin]

go moo into the abyss

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

[final mist]

We don't talk about male elves

They're myths

[tropic gorge]

The only correct elves are female blood elves for the horde

[compact forum]

I played vulpera warr ironically for a minute, but got an above average number of nsfw whispers on MoonGuard

[tropic gorge]

They also happen to be the cutest in the game, it isn't even close

[final mist]

above average

Brother most people usually don't tell on themselves

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

[compact forum]

If you've played on MG, you know. 😂

No one is safe there

[tropic gorge]

If a person is playing on moonguard, 0 isn't the starting number when factoring unusual amounts of NSFW /w

[daring marlin]

I imagine Moon Guard like Herogasm from The Boys

[compact forum]

Transferred there for a CE guild, having no idea what RP servers were about. I was in for quite the surprise logging in on my female belf dh.

[pallid quiver]

why did discord have to default to dropping me here of all places

i didn't need to see this pain

[clear tulip]

What is the best race Horde side for us?

[loud wave]

Could someone explain me why we want crit in S2 over versatilty ?

[pallid quiver]

BIG NUMBER GO STRONK

They're the same as before in that they're roughly equal in value, though both are eclipsed by more strength

[ionic fern]

Nothing to do with the Season.

It's always been either one or the other.

[clear tulip]

I'd go Vers, why would we go Crit? The parry is that good for us?

[ionic fern]

Parry is great in m+. And crit is more dps.

[mighty valley]

yeah, they've been roughly equivalent - crit is usually more damage (partially due to a bug) and parry makes it stronger against melee

vers is fine too though, don't stress it, pick ilvl

[pallid quiver]

Parry has a chance to just entirely ignore some tank mechanics, too, though that's not something to rely on obviously

[mighty valley]

They usssssssssssually patch those out when they find them

[pallid quiver]

Searing Blows from S1 comes to mind

[mighty valley]

Curse you Crawth

[daring marlin]

Can't let BDK ignore the mechanic even more

[plush tendon]

I go crit cause then I can play arms

though, haste vers would be good for arms pvp bleed build

[heavy sinew]

anyone here that can garanti craft rank 3 alloys? just wondering if it's even possible to do

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/fqIZ-cI02AI?t=1491 HIT YOUR FUCKING SHIELD BLOCK

[daring marlin]

Same but also robot says crit make big number bigger

[odd tree]

i'll check when i get home, pretty sure you need to use mettle for that tho, so cost will be a bit high from most crafters

i've maxed everything except armor smithing on my war

[violet flume]

lmao pretty sure i raided with that guy on day1 of naxx in wrath

that was so painful to watch what were they even scared of

[heavy sinew]

when you say use mettle you mean the lesser illustrious insight?

[daring marlin]

Holy shit

441 Forgestorm would be a 6.5% increase for me 🤣

[clear tulip]

Should I be running Prot loot spec for content?

[oblique kayak]

depends - i’d not advice it on vault

[clear tulip]

What can we benefit from running a different loot pool? All warrior gear is strength right

[oblique kayak]

avoiding shitty tank trinkets

which there are a loooot of in s2

[ionic fern]

Do you need a shield? If yes, run Prot. If no, run Fury (in case you might also need a 1h).

[clear tulip]

Lmao that's vaild!

[clear tulip]

Wordd noted! Do we run 2h ?

[ionic fern]

Eh? No.

[oblique kayak]

what? no

[ionic fern]

Fury can drop 1h/2h.

Fury also avoid prot trinkets.

[clear tulip]

Sweet! Going to hit up Icey Veins & spend some time researching BiS to get a better understanding! So most BiS is Fury gear besides the Shield?

[ionic fern]

No such thing as Bis.

Equip your highest ilvl gear.

[clear tulip]

Yeah but endgame fine tuning your secondaries is definitely what I'm into!

[ionic fern]

Then sim yourself.

That's the way to go.

[clear tulip]

Savage! Thank you for you time 👊 I'll be back!

[odd tree]

yes, but the crafter has to use their own mettle to create the insight, and its a gated resource

[loud wave]

I'd personally set vault as protection in order to get 447 Forgestorm

[hardy snow]

it drops on fury as well

[heavy sinew]

yeah but even with it seem to only be able to get to 321 skill when you need 325 to garanti rank 3 but idk

[odd tree]

are the mats for your alloy rank 3 as well?

[loud wave]

Yeah but isn't there more 2h weapons than shields witch might make a chance of getting Forgestorm even a little lower?

[hardy snow]

its not that significant cost compared to trinkets you can find

[sick sentinel]

this cursor i had to capture with my phone is cursed

[final mist]

Ideally with the new system you get a Forgestorm by just running the dungeon and then upgrade it

Same with trinkets

And then maxed vault just replaces the upgraded stuff as you get it

Better to sit in fury because you get more options for trinkets and such

[odd tree]

also allows you to go fury/arms when needed

cause you'll have a chance to get a 2hander

tho i didn't see one all of s1 from the vault

[urban portal]

you arent gonna be there for a LONG while

[uneven mason]

Big prot advice, focus DPS, don't think, just send

[daring marlin]

new upgrade system is banger

[odd tree]

for real, with DPS comes defensives

loving prot

[uneven mason]

With those of course come the subtext of "SB is a DPS gain" and "IP is a offensive spend"

[dusky canopy]

We need the Drake meme
“Spend ip offensively arms, Naahhh”
“Spend ip offensively Prot, Yeesss”

[strong forum]

tbf

arms also uses IP offensively

[dusky canopy]

Witch is the naahhh part

Because it’s bad

Real bad

[modern brook]

Smh

Ppl that complain about using ip offensively are the same people dying with cds up

[heavy sinew]

yeah they are

im not sure if it because if missing knowledge points in certain places

[odd tree]

huh, i'll have to check then. i assumed you could guarantee r3 alloy with insight

[heavy sinew]

but is it not only specialty smithing, smelting and hammer control that add to alloys right?

in terms of skill

[odd tree]

your prof gear as well

[heavy sinew]

got the black dragon touched hammer

rank 3

[odd tree]

yea, even rank 1 gives +10 i think

[heavy sinew]

ye

and obvs rank 5 apron and toolbox

[odd tree]

yup

[heavy sinew]

atm im at 97 blacksmithing and 26/30 hammercontrol and with mettle i get it up to 314 skill

[devout pollen]

Can’t wait for people to tell it’s 2k per mettle too on top of the gouging.

[sick sentinel]

i should log on to finish weekly quests

profession and key

[indigo glacier]

Anyone know if Champion's Bulwark is still bugged in our favor?

[odd tree]

I might actually make some gold this season

[opal escarp]

yo why is my shield always invisible on my prot warrior? is this a artifact transmog bug?

[uneven mason]

What's on your back

[devout pollen]

I really wish I had the time to do professions and make some gold. Time v Value and i end up snagging a token or two if badly needed. I’m sitting on like a mil though most of which is pure grinding we rewards

[opal escarp]

I've tried non artifact transmogs as well and it's always bugged

nothing on my back

[uneven mason]

So you mean always as in combat invisible

[opal escarp]

just my character is holding a sword and that's it, out of combat mostly, never really check properly in combat

[uneven mason]

What's your trade skills equipment setting?

[opal escarp]

wtf

[daring marlin]

I'm a lucky man

I just so happened to get sick during my deload week which was also just before the patch

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-and-silent-bob-blunts-smoke-weed-ganja-gif-5564613

Am taking Friday off to spam m+ until my eyes bleed

[daring marlin]

I took tuesday and thursday off

then I saw the 6 hour maintenance

It'll prolly come up sooner but who knows!

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/JaF2PAr.png

also enchant doesnt matter anymore

for some reason

all 4 are equal

https://i.imgur.com/qFCIHbn.png

[sick sentinel]

Hello des personnes aurait les best items mais en francais?

[strong forum]

ideally english

[daring marlin]

🤣

[strong forum]

ye

[unkempt hatch]

What stats on crafted? Crit haste?

[uneven mason]

What the funk, they balanced it?

[unkempt hatch]

Ill probably go SD on a new weapon when it drops. Because that’s the defensive play, right? Since damage wise they’re negligible

[lusty grotto]

what did i miss

[final mist]

Same shit as usual tbh

[lusty grotto]

🤝

sal baby come back

[final mist]

👎

I'm a dps now, sorry

[lusty grotto]

i see i see

dps is fun ngl

[final mist]

[lusty grotto]

im sure 1 day ill enjoy fury as much as arms

we will see

[unkempt hatch]

I do better damage as arms compared to fury

I don’t think my brain understands fury.

[lusty grotto]

my brain has never understood it

i think the last time i fucked around with fury seriously outside of mage tower was vanilla

[final mist]

Fury ez

[unkempt hatch]

I played Fury in WoD in BRF and I was trash

[sick sentinel]

cool, im pretty sure i can dress my dk as warrior now

i got like, all the parts

[lusty grotto]

hell even the mage tower thing i didnt understand it, i just pressed buttons and won

it wasnt as easy as unholy thats for sure

og mage tower i mean

oh i see what i missed, 2ndary changes on raid items

kinda dreading that i actually have to raid this next season

outside of pugging shit though, or at least pug harder this time around

so i dont get shit like icon on the 2nd to last week

[strong forum]

pugging hc should always be quite viable

[lusty grotto]

of course

i just liked my free time

but we'll see maybe this tier is a bit easier who knows

less time consuming at least

[unkempt hatch]

I hope this raid is a banger

[lusty grotto]

btw a guildy keeps having his chat spammed with "No player named 'Nimchip' is currently playing" after faction change, anyone know what that's about

[unkempt hatch]

I don’t want to get bored, and lose my will to play like I did at the end of VoTI

[lusty grotto]

theres always keys

[unkempt hatch]

M+ is trash. I hate pug m+

[lusty grotto]

idk i used to feel that way but i just do want to get bored quick to play other games

[strong forum]

its only like 3hrs per week if you chainwipe, try to only find the bosses you want to kill

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[lusty grotto]

or do other shit

[unkempt hatch]

Pugs in m+ make me want to quit the game

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hatch]

If I had a reliable guild group, it like m+

[lusty grotto]

common opinion

every pug is a bet

sometimes you win big

sometimes you just hop out of the key early

[unkempt hatch]

I always loose

[lusty grotto]

[stuck terrace]

if you always lose, maybe youre the baddie? 😮

[unkempt hatch]

Take that back 😭😭

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/TE8nNrn.png^#

kek

ez clap

[stuck terrace]

Ok I take it back 😦

[unkempt hatch]

Is that trinket any good? I have one at 402 on my warrior

[strong forum]

apparently so

[unkempt hatch]

Could replace my deco

[strong forum]

its equal to heroic raid items

in next raid

[unkempt hatch]

No shit? That’s dope. I’ll swap it out

[stuck terrace]

lol what

[unkempt hatch]

I do fine in guildie groups, and the occasional pug. But they’re so bad sometimes it’s painful

[stuck terrace]

And I know, we all know. Toss of a coin

[unkempt hatch]

I am shocked at how bad it can be sometimes lol

This season maybe I’ll try for KSH

What’s the reward for 2500?

[strong forum]

title

like always

KSM is mount

KSH is title

and probably the "enhanced particle effect" again

[lusty grotto]

i still have that shit in my bags

[unkempt hatch]

The KSM mount is better than the first one. The frosty guy was meh

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what to do with it

[hushed harbor]

It is worth using both for the set bonus? or just that one

[strong forum]

set apparently sucks

but @ionic fern is testing

[unkempt hatch]

The one trinket alone sims almost 2.5k dps increase over my current deco

Sick

[strong forum]

well yeah deco sucks

no suprise there

[uneven mason]

It's going to get gutted for sure

[dusky canopy]

Got one with leech bro!

Ikari you think so? I mean let the world content gamers have a pog piece right

[strong forum]

not that mega blown away from rocks

https://i.imgur.com/QUKbgif.png

[ebon geyser]

God King @ionic fern how are you doing and how are clappy Bois doing

[strong forum]

thats 5min on ST

the bigger benefit of rocks is just that its crit

when whetstone is mastery

besides that theyre about equal

[ebon geyser]

Just use both

[strong forum]

well yeah

but still not blown away

well it uses trinket1 first

but just on CD

so there can be variance in that

slam in buzzing rune

😉

thats another couple hundred dps

[final mist]

Why not

They're cheap, free stats basically

[dusky canopy]

Pocket anvil?

Source?

[sick sentinel]

howling rune on top

[urban bane]

Is that an anvil in your pocket or...?

[unkempt hatch]

😂😂😂

[tulip egret]

The 5 Heroic Quest, Fighting is its own Reward. Do I take the 415 piece that can be ugpraded or the crests? I am 418-421 on every slot as prot

[strong forum]

i took crest this week

but starting next week ill take the loot

[unkempt hatch]

The 415 can be upgraded to 424

[strong forum]

437 even

[uneven mason]

Uhh, probably the crest? Like at 421 you're not going to get much out of the outher

Next week though you'll need the crest to upgrade some gear to 437

[lusty grotto]

i picked the dumb chest

[tulip egret]

ty, crest it is

[lusty grotto]

and got gloves

on both my warrior and paladin

[jagged pier]

I got a ring

So it was pointless

🙂

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

I got a shield

Big Lotto

Will be a 437 shield as soon as I can get into keys

[lusty grotto]

nice

[daring marlin]

I don't see the point in taking crest as that only bumps gear to 424.

[strong forum]

neither is getting a 415

when next week you can just drop 431s+

[daring marlin]

A 415 that can be upgraded via just flightstones after you get higher ilvl stuff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

still caps at 437

its minimal shit

[cinder nova]

Hey, Nom

[toxic pewter]

i got boots from the quest

[cinder nova]

Did the UFFB buff on PTR make it live?

[strong forum]

uffb?

[cinder nova]

Unstable Frostfire Belt.

[strong forum]

yes

[cinder nova]

The proc doesn't scale with ilvl, does it?

[strong forum]

does

[cinder nova]

I remember seeing a hotfix recently about embel and ilvl.

[strong forum]

this?

[cinder nova]

I'd go get it myself, but I'm getting a 403 error from WoW's site.

Also recall seeing about an item that has a damage proc that's not technically and embelishment.

Was that the buckler or something else?

[strong forum]

its an embellish now

(a bad one)

[cinder nova]

Straight downgrade from similar ilvl, iirc.
How big of an upgrade is the shadowflame embell, and is the new armor kit worth taking over the current?
Weirdly, tepid vers has been simming higher than glacial but I dunno if that's simbait or what.

[strong forum]

shadowflame embellish + diff stat belt is ~200 dps higher than frostfire

tepid vers is bis ST flask

has been all patch

[cinder nova]

🫠

[strong forum]

new armor kit is bad iirc

[cinder nova]

Stat belt?

[strong forum]

well just crafted belt with crit haste

instead of frostfire which has crit mast

thats the tiny diff between the 2

[cinder nova]

But, can't we have two embells at the same time? Why not use Shadowflame on something else and UFFB?

[strong forum]

you can have shadowflame patch twice

[cinder nova]

Oh, is it that much better?

[strong forum]

same as you can have armor spikes twice

[strong forum]

200 dps, as mentioned

[cinder nova]

So SF x2 > UFFB + SF

[strong forum]

minimally

but yes

[cinder nova]

I hope they buff UFFB more then because that makes me big sadge

I was really hoping I could just up this fucker until the end of the xpack

[strong forum]

i might stick to belt frostfire tbh

depending on my gear

cuz having a bit of mastery when you otherwise have none

isnt half bad

and its a phat crit belt anyway

[cinder nova]

Oh, that reminds me... I know moo ran a ton of trinket sims for creating his BIS ST set but

How far behind is fragment from halls?

I expected it to be an absolute dead wringer

[strong forum]

several thousand

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck

If fragment is getting left in the dust then these are trinkets with some real bite to them

[strong forum]

we lose 50% effectiveness of that trinket

in like 2 globals

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but you can use it on some really sick AOE burst combos

I wonder what the best AOE is gonna shake out to be

They also need to really make moving these gems in and out of the annulet easier

Kinda bullshit having to leg it all the way to the FR every time I do M+

[strong forum]

annulet is dogwater for aoe once you have gear

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but also heals a ton

[strong forum]

?

you did not just say that annulet heals a ton

[dusky canopy]

Thanks!

[hardy snow]

I prefer to stay with my old frostfire belt, cause when Blizz sees that 70% of players playing higher content are going with 2x shadow embelish, they will nerf it (or boost others)

[cinder nova]

It's right behind P&G. It's like 7% of my overall.

That's like a free hot all dungeon.

[strong forum]

youre losing

9% of stats

to gain a details HPS bar

[cinder nova]

One ring is 9% of our stat budget?

[strong forum]

for example

if your offensive ring doesnt do over 10% of your dmg

youre losing dmg

the defensive "heal" combo

is hard trolling

[lusty grotto]

imagine thinking about HPS as a warrior

[modern brook]

Consider if everything was equally distributed a ring would be 6ish%

9% shouldn't sound too far off then

[strong forum]

421 ring is closer to 7% stats but still

[cinder nova]

You still want to be thinking about HPS as a warrior, tbh. It's definitely not a pressed thing, but limiting your EHRPS through mitigation and healing is important.

[strong forum]

the defensive combo is dog

youre just hurting your own performance

[lusty grotto]

no

[strong forum]

to gain nothing but a fancy details bar

[dusky canopy]

You don’t look at the leech stat bar after every dungeon

[lusty grotto]

apparently he does

and i have 5 items with leech lmao

[strong forum]

defensive ring is like codex in SL

[cinder nova]

More I'm looking at EHRPS.

[strong forum]

youre equipping an item to look good on details

but in turn do 7% less dps and take more dmg

[cinder nova]

Nobody mentioned wearing defensive ring.

[strong forum]

but youre saying it does healing

[lusty grotto]

is HPS offensive?!

hold up

[cinder nova]

Yeah, the offensive ring alone does 7% of my HPS.

[strong forum]

que

how

what am i missing

[dusky canopy]

Ok guys I’m assuming the enchanted versions of the crests just make it easier to proc tier5 ?

[strong forum]

what gems are you running

[cinder nova]

Blood, Frost, Twilight for ST
swap frost for storm in AOE

[dusky canopy]

Blood is healing you for 7%

[strong forum]

youre talking about desirous healing?

[dusky canopy]

That sounds wild

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[strong forum]

ive never looked at that

lemme check

[lusty grotto]

23 HoV

blood is healing me for what

[cinder nova]

What the fuck is wild spirit

[warm plinth]

That looks more like it to me lol

[strong forum]

meh

desirous is 600 hps

[dusky canopy]

S must have zero IV uses and no leech

[cinder nova]

Exuding steam stone

[warm plinth]

It's another stone

[lusty grotto]

some shaman bullshit

[warm plinth]

Those are stones from the healer

[potent gulch]

Tell it to my #1 rashageth heal parse

[strong forum]

okay you got me there

[lusty grotto]

7% blood healing, id like to see that log

[warm plinth]

Wait, what stones are you running Nim?