protection

[ionic roost]

Uhh I'll have to check later don't remember it's name

But it's a summoned mob

[strong forum]

ye and they just go poof

tryna figure out of the poof is relevant or not

[ionic roost]

Ya other wise they just chill and cast stuff

Idk how threatening it is

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/0Re2AHH.png

overkill from reflecting is just gigantic for w/e reason

[strong forum]

ye

apparently that surge cast hurts

thats just from a 21

yeah if you reflect the cast it just increases the dmg it would do by like 7 times

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/lFgryj3.png

was my reflect dmg from 26 tyran, missed 1 on last boss so could be little higher but nowhere near 50mil

surge skews it a ton

[strong forum]

yeup

explained that to andy when he did his 27(?)

[ionic roost]

Well ya 50m was hyperbole

[strong forum]

cuz his reflect made up like 30mil

but 19 of that was just surge or some shit

so his chat wouldnt omega sperg how super broken SR is in nokhud

ofc its still super strong, but not 30mil strong

[shut summit]

always peoples response to reflect

[jagged pier]

true

[strong forum]

true and real

cuz deathgrip doesnt show up on dmg meter

[jagged pier]

^

[shut summit]

let me reflect immune debuff on diurna

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[craggy berry]

is haste still > crit post 30%? crit is still simming quite a bit higher with both @ 30%

[strong forum]

Crit will always sim higher

It's by far our strongest raw offensive stat

But overall, can't go wrong with stacking haste to ~7100

Which you're exceedingly unlikely to hit

[craggy berry]

gotcha, thanks. just trying to adjust some things for tuesday lol

[strong forum]

Can't go wrong with either

Crit is just more dam

[craggy berry]

👌

[sick sentinel]

oh no these stupid things

i hate these stupid things go much

[strong forum]

its really simple tho

just follow the lines from orb to orb

[sick sentinel]

they drive me crazy is all, lol

[long stone]

fuck s1 - only 2 tanks me and a dh, now 4 tanks - 2x dh , pala and me ... RL said we should specc DD too taht we can change... but i hate it ... hey hello D4 maybe? 😄

[strong forum]

bit cringe innit

if youre not like top 20

to ask for 4 chars

[long stone]

dunno why so many ppl want to play tank 😄

[strong forum]

oh

i thought he wants you to play 4 tanks

nvm

[icy bane]

Four tanks on their roster now

[long stone]

@strong forum do you stay strong for wow after 2.06. :D?

[icy bane]

I mean arms/fury looking pretty good, demand prio on ashkandi

[strong forum]

hell no

wow is dead to me for a few weeks minimum

[long stone]

haha

going for druid?

[strong forum]

nah barb

druid was fun on beta with its 300 build possibilites already being noticable

but only interested in the grug

[icy bane]

Barb supremacy 🫡

[strong forum]

[daring marlin]

Hey I can get 6200!

[toxic pewter]

how big can our ignore pain go these days

[strong forum]

30% max hp

its hard capped

[toxic pewter]

ok thx

[sick sentinel]

assuming this is for the engi giga charge and such

seems promising, deals dmg, fire dmg mores speficially, so triggers belt, rings if still on those, and givese some of those old tinkers new life

[crude notch]

It's a 5 minute cooldown shared with pots

[cinder nova]

19K every 5 minutes is pretty bad

[toxic pewter]

yeah that bomb is a slap in the face for engineering

other profs raking it in this patch

[warm plinth]

I'm very curious what the "positively charged shrapnel" is

[cinder nova]

Yeah that could make it, but not like it'll break it

[chilly brook]

Wasn’t Druid terrible?

[sick sentinel]

true, i'm aware of this but it at least solves 2 problems now

[crude notch]

It doesn't

[fallow beacon]

did spell reflection CD get increased from 25->30s this patch or am I going crazy

[crude notch]

Like if you think something that will proc your ring once every 5 minutes is good yogi IDK wtf to tell ya

[strong forum]

it was my 2nd char, so i could abuse stronger gear

i oneshot everything

[chilly brook]

See here’s the problem, you literally can’t give engineering too much because it’s already kinda the best pick for m+

[strong forum]

and i didnt use a dumbfuck bad build

unlike every single streamer

literally everybody played melee druid

which was by far the worst version

[chilly brook]

I need to give rogue or w/e it’s called a shot in the stress test

[toxic pewter]

i mean is engineering even best for m+ anymore? no real reason to even take it as much these days

I guess lower chance for combat rez to fail?

[chilly brook]

Better brez for classes without it

[toxic pewter]

yeah I mean that is true it is good

[chilly brook]

Free invis

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't really bother to be engineer these days. Just use the critical failure prevention thing and you're fine. I've had it fail a couple times on my hunter but nothing serious

And on tank especially with the chance to fail, it's just not worth it

[chilly brook]

Well I’m not playing tank

[toxic pewter]

yeah engineering aint what it used to be imo

[chilly brook]

[warm plinth]

Long cast and it may not even work and you can't block/dodge/parry during it, no thanks

[chilly brook]

I’m playing quasi ranged spec

[warm plinth]

ret paladin?

[chilly brook]

No lol

Devoker

20 yard range gang gang

If I’m being honest I just honestly don’t know what other profession I would actually care to take in place of engineering and alchemy

[crude notch]

Taking engineering, common Griff L.

[strong forum]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedCooperativeAirGuitarArgieB8-LOER_MZq-ngvHfBi

[sick sentinel]

what happens to concentrated primal infusions

[strong forum]

nothing

[crude notch]

You eat them

[sick sentinel]

hmm, just, you cant earn them any more after?

[chilly brook]

Truuuueeee

[strong forum]

im just gonna roll barb again

cuz this time around legendary dropchance is gonna be like in the normal game, not increased

so yeah thats gonna be interesting

[cinder nova]

I think I may have found the next Rextroy meme

[glossy oak]

someone has a guide of the damage ability type of the bosses of the raid? or a guide?

[sick sentinel]

i normally prefer anything ranged on diablo

[daring marlin]

gross

[sick sentinel]

because melee suffers the same fate everytime

SMACK

fuck

dead

[daring marlin]

6 hour maintenance

lame af

[sick sentinel]

im currently wiping to NM areat summit

as paladin, which is why im no longer playing d2 all day, died to it twice, both times, smack, dead

[cinder nova]

Just don't get hit.

[balmy canyon]

How does the corrupting phial stack up for prot? Ignoring the damage taken (mostly thinking for reclear)

[sick sentinel]

this is precisely my point

if im at range, i can dodge

melee, im in mlee but the ranged mobs can also target me

"don't bring a knife to a gun fight" is a good quote

[undone verge]

its ok, glacial is prob better tho

[cinder nova]

Just... don't... get hit?

If you're getting instantly deleted then you might have a build issue.

Or gear.

Or both.

[cinder nova]

Alright, hot take.

I want reforging.

I thought it was good.

[urban bane]

[chilly brook]

Is this even a hot take?

Having every item be able to be an upgrade was a good system

[cinder nova]

I know a lot of people that didn't like it.

[chilly brook]

They only disliked it because they had to sim

Which they still have to do

[sick sentinel]

if only it worked that way.....

[cinder nova]

It does. I used to do GRs as high as like... 120 more than several season.

All as melee.

You only die if you're standing in shit or just not using your abilities correctly.

Or no gear.

[sick sentinel]

i agree, just, yeah, i got 1 shot (or effectively at least) at that boss, so i gotta lvl up and get more hp probably

well, i have 75+ on all 4 resists and the WW i assume is what does it, but its like, 0.5 seconds and im dead

got over 400 hp

[echo egret]

Is there an addon like OmniCD, but more customizable ?
I want more customizable categories (mass stuns, single-target stuns, ...)
I remember having a weakaura that did all that in SL

[sick sentinel]

i got the logs

any d2r experts in the chat

so, for you saying "it's not a 1 shot", im learning from d2r discord that apparently its a combination of they have fantacism and might auras (increase melee dmg for both auras)

[cinder nova]

Just don't get hit, yogi.

[cinder nova]

Move so you don't get hit. Like, I'm not even being funny.

Just kite.

[sick sentinel]

ill try it again later probably with more levels

[crude notch]

Omnicd has all those

[sick sentinel]

i'll try it again later, just, that attempt did not inspire further confidence in my ability to beat those guys

[echo egret]

Unless I manually edit all spells, all CC have the same category.
And you can only have two extra “custom category”

[crude notch]

Oh I just go through all the spells for each class and remove the ones I don't want showing visa versa. Welp, good luck in your search.

The old WA one might be around still

[warm plinth]

I liked reforging as well. I wonder if the people who disliked it were playing during the time where you had to reforge everything to multistrike or whatever it was. That would've been kinda stupid.

[silver heron]

what stat does prot have to look for in 10.1 raid? haste and mastery ?

[cinder nova]

[crude notch]

Crit/Haste, of course ilvl first though

[daring marlin]

Only stupid thing about reforging was hit and exp. 🤢

[warm plinth]

Yeah, now I have a hot take

I liked war/titanforging

[crude notch]

That's becoming less and less a hot take

Especially as M+ becomes more and more popular.

[warm plinth]

I think my main reason for missing it is how much they reduced the loot you get from M+. First with the base amount of drops, then the reduction on the per level bonus items, then making that bonus not kick in until after +20

[crude notch]

Yeah they need to bring something back for m+ loot. Either readd another drop to base, better key level scaling, or TF.

Or like let you favorite an item from a dungeon that increases the chances of it dropping.

[warm plinth]

That would be neat

Especially with all these old dungeons with inflated loot pools in there

[sick sentinel]

got them

[crude notch]

That's another thing like wtf SBG had 3 pieces of loot for leatherwearers then you had somewhere with like 3 cloaks or some shit on top of their excessive loot pool in general.

[daring marlin]

In hindsight I agree

Comparison is the thief of joy and at this point IDGAF if johnny WQ guy gets a gigaforged whatever the fuck.

[pallid quiver]

I still don't like war/titanforging, myself

[warm plinth]

It takes away from that too with how loot is being designed now with so much OP shit from raid.

[cinder nova]

Anyone getting lag in boss fights

Well, not lag, FPS drops

I think something might be going on with plating addons

[stone pike]

What's a good way to tell if your tanking was bad vs your healer just not healing enough? I was doing a +20 Temple yesterday and multiple times dropped like a stone on even small packs.

[toxic pewter]

Post log

[urban bane]

look at what killed you. did you have defensive cooldowns you could've used? were you one shot? was it a battle of health attrition (slow chipping away at health with few heals 'til you died?); etc

log posting helps

"even on small packs" if they are the little dark claw shitters they will drop you if you aren't prepared or microkiting

[sick sentinel]

thats first thing i ask anybody when they say "im lagging"

[stone pike]

Cheers. I'll definitely have to look into that in future.

[sick sentinel]

huge difference between game lag and connection lag

[toxic pewter]

Museless responses make lots of sense for real though

[stone pike]

Ordinarily I would have just chalked it up to my own failure but it happened in places like the first damn mob. One waterspeaker and a bunch of little water globules. Something that shouldn't have killed me.

[sick sentinel]

"are you talking about computer lag or internet" since tbc

since 2004 really, but like that was just you';d get in with some randoms and crazy stuff would happen team wipe>> "i died cuz i lagged, i think"

[toxic pewter]

Do you run spell block

[stone pike]

I forgot for that run. I know that was dumb of me.

[toxic pewter]

It’s really strong in temple

I have a feeling you may be taking a lot of magic dam

And it could be possible healer was just bad too lol

Some really hard hitting magic damage mobs in there

[warm plinth]

That first pack shouldn't really be dangerous for the tank though

[toxic pewter]

True… how’s your shield blocking looking

[stone pike]

My Details says he did 38.2k overall healing which feels a little low for a 20. I don't know holy priests that well though.

[toxic pewter]

Hard to say, I agree it’s strange to die on first pack. Did you pull just the first single pack alone or the big water elemental too

[stone pike]

I didn't even get to it. I went to and dropped dead when I target switched.

[warm plinth]

38.2k overall HPS is a fuckton of healing

[toxic pewter]

Yeah seems like you don’t have shield block up perhaps or bad positioning or something

[warm plinth]

That level of HPS is when people are fucking up the entire time.

[stone pike]

Yeah maybe. I was doing it late at night so I could have been slower to put it up than I usually would be. I'll have to log it next time.

Or stepped out of line of sight

[lavish oracle]

For reference, most 20s, the healer is between 20 and 25k overall healing

In my experience, anyways

[stone pike]

Yeah fair enough. I usually make a mess of Temple keys so it's hard for me to say what it was.

I hate tanking that first wing

[lavish oracle]

It can be kind of a pain to position the elementals, but getting used to pulling them next to a wall so the group can LoS lowers your groups incoming damage a lot

[stone pike]

It's mostly that god awful last pull before the boss. The double waterspeaker + elemental

[lavish oracle]

Oh, yeah, that one sucks

Usually lust that one instead of boss, even though lusting boss is probably a bigger time save

[sick sentinel]

that will be fun on storming weeks

that hallway in uh, i forget but its got the frog boss and the tornadoes in a hallway

cant wait for my casters to get destroyed by that fight on fort

[stone pike]

Halls of Infusion?

[sick sentinel]

its coming to mythic plus soon isnt it

[stone pike]

Yeah in S2 along with Neltharus I believe

[torn gulch]

did anybody test both drogbar trinkets? if yes which one is better?

neltharus,uldaman,halls and brackenhide

[sick sentinel]

im tellin u guys now, i have seen long into the future, and people WILL complain about that hallway on higher keys

or like, the problem will become very apparent i meant to say

[torn gulch]

i mean you can't do much to nerf that hallway at this point

[sick sentinel]

no, but its gunna be a shit show

[torn gulch]

well

[sick sentinel]

same with lots of sections from the recycled dungeons

[torn gulch]

tbh i've already discovered a way to make it less painful

you just tank with your back against the circular walls in the middle

[stone pike]

My only saving grace for it is that Irideus Fragment will keep people coming back to the dungeon even if it is terrible.

You won't get 90% of players actively avoiding it

[torn gulch]

even seat was played by people

the dungeon will be played

people will not like it but it is what it is

people will not like uldaman either

[stone pike]

I'll probably eat my words but Uldaman didn't seem that bad to me.

[torn gulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204797/djaradin-boasting-tablets#comments
i wonder how this trinket works but it looks insane to me depending on icd

[stone pike]

Fairly straightforward bosses and no trash that was too awful

[crude notch]

It's trash.

[torn gulch]

well then back to choosing between stones and rocks

[crude notch]

#protection message

[harsh bough]

I take it there is a mistake in the WoW Head prot BiS dungeon list for the cloak - considering Algeth'ar Academy isn't in the Season 2 pool? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[sick sentinel]

this is about ludwig

and this CAN happen, and then, you die, normall targets random player, but be aware that it can happen

[warm plinth]

Just like

[crude notch]

@candid path sorry to bug you good sir.

[warm plinth]

Don't get hit by shells

[torn gulch]

if you're getting hit by shells it's bad

they are pretty thelegraphed

[warm plinth]

The shells target ranged DPS

So just...move

Or don't stand between the mob and the ranged

[crude notch]

Shells weren't hard in BfA and won't be hard this go around either.

[sick sentinel]

it only targets ranged dps? i mean, im not sure how i'd know that just that boss can sometimes be annoying

[crude notch]

Big W on them nerfing his HP. Bless up.

[candid path]

appreciate the heads-up, fixing it

[torn gulch]

yea there are other things in freehold

like that bleed on last boss

oh my god that will rip groups apart

[sick sentinel]

anyways, i've seen it happen to mostly dps, but i've been killed by that at least once in BFA

don't get hit is correct though,

[warm plinth]

I'll be hard this go round though

uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss

[clear tulip]

Ayee guys!! Coming off maining Prot Pally in S1, what are some of the biggest differences between swapping to the Warr?

[warm plinth]

It only targets people at range is more accurate

[candid path]

👍

[warm plinth]

I don't believe it is coded to only target ranged DPS, but more that it will target anyone who is farther than melee range

[harsh bough]

np. Incredible work on the guides btw

[candid path]

ty 🙂

[sick sentinel]

bleed on final boss from freehold? main thing i remember being scary in there was the water swirly guys that are everywhere, and theres 2 packs with horse men at the end of FH one does a pat other is just there, theres a 3rd but you can skip 2 or more of those horse packs

[warm plinth]

You can't skip the horse pack in the boss area from what I was told. You used to be able to

But now apparently it pulls with the boss

[sick sentinel]

i remember it was more the fire circles and people wouldn't place the fire correctly and move them too far, covering the entire ground

[warm plinth]

The bleed is a new mechanic @sick sentinel

[crude notch]

Fully erect every BfA key. Yep the good ol days.

[warm plinth]

Will be the highlight of S2 for sure

[torn gulch]

yes final boss got partially redesigned

[sick sentinel]

interesting

[warm plinth]

The swiftwind saber also doesn't do 5 until the all hands part of the fight

[torn gulch]

and the bleed comes in at 60% if i am not mistaken

[warm plinth]

Which before it always did 5 and just only did one before all hands and 3 during all hands

[sick sentinel]

hes a hard boss for pugs that don't like to listen to basic insturctions or doesn't like to stun adds

[toxic pewter]

Big smash. Much block. Mighty slams of shield. Mightier than pink tank

We jump high and charge fast

[warm plinth]

I'm actually curious how the add is going to work now. He doesn't channel anymore apparently so I'm not sure how that's going to work. If you're still able to just CC him every time or what

[clear tulip]

Lmaoo! I hear a lot of great things. I'm used to 30yd range on Pally, how does the Warrior's range compare?

[unkempt hatch]

424 shield wooo

[warm plinth]

We have spammable Heroic Throw which is 30 yards. It's not as potent threat-wise as a judgment or shield but it's passable.

[sick sentinel]

i had BDK and paladin best friends at the time, so we just did bolt, asphyx and hoj on the add

problem sovled

[warm plinth]

And you can talent into a 5 target version in exchange for a short CD

like 3 sec CD iirc

[sick sentinel]

i always used bolt on the add

[clear tulip]

Wordd! How fluent is grouping up packs? Like Pally has avenger's shield hb Warr?

[unkempt hatch]

How are we dealing with the dot on last boss Sarkie boy?

[warm plinth]

We have pretty good snap threat. Gathering casters can be a little trickier since we don't have a ranged silence or divine toll

But once they're in range of you, you just TC and Revenge and they're pretty well on you

And we always have aoe taunt for emergencies

[crude notch]

The thing that's gonna make me sad in UR is the last time we were in there we had Awakened. 😦

[warm plinth]

Yeah 😦

What's the fun of UR if you can't kill the spider in the back corner and have people pull the abomination and worm at the same time 🙂

[crude notch]

🙂

[sick sentinel]

i don't think ya'll are ready for undersuck

maybe you guys underestimated it

[crude notch]

I'm ready

[warm plinth]

I mean, all the shit that was hard back in the day has been made easier

So...

Well, "hard"

The stuff that was more annoying has been made easier is a better way of putting it

[crude notch]

No yogi, I ran 3k keys in S3 of BfA I think I'm ready for underrot

[clear tulip]

Ahh so our base taunt is an AoE? That's sweet, will have to get used to picking up casters a bit different. How much crowd control & kicks do the Warr get?

[warm plinth]

And 2,900 of those were to get bile tusks right @crude notch

no, not base taunt

We have a separate taunt button that's aoe

Challenging Shout

[crude notch]

To get others Tusks because boosts

Lol

[warm plinth]

[toxic pewter]

We have an aoe interrupt also but most people don’t really use it

[warm plinth]

We don't take aoe interrupt, and it'll be even less useful in S2 than it was this season

[toxic pewter]

Yep

[warm plinth]

But we do have Storm Bolt (ST stun), shockwave (aoe stun), and intimidating shout (aoe fear but breaks instantly so it's a good stop)

Intimidating Shout and Storm Bolt both work on incorporeal too

Though Storm Bolt is too short to do the job with 1 cast

[toxic pewter]

Intim shout works on it?

[warm plinth]

Yes, as long as you target it. It's a separate function of the spell because the primary target gets feared in place, not away from you

[clear tulip]

Wordd! I really appreciate your time! So generally for tank busters we run Def Stance then for dps'ing we switch to Off Stance?

[toxic pewter]

Dang that’s amazing news

[warm plinth]

You don't always need def stance for tankbusters, but for the really spicy ones on high keys, yes

You'll be in battle stance like 95%+ of the time

[sick sentinel]

expect giga malders when it comes to running undersuck is iall i will say really

[clear tulip]

Pushing for 3k S2! Looking to master this ish!

[warm plinth]

I'm still super stoked to see how bad prevoker is for Cragmaw

Even full range healers could have trouble on that fight

[toxic pewter]

Why are you switching from paladin

[clear tulip]

Mostly team needs! Plus I've been wanting to take Warr serious for a couple months now

[toxic pewter]

That’s cool

[crude notch]

Heck yeah, screw the pink lovers

[torn gulch]

or you can play both pretty easy in dragonflight

[crude notch]

|| ignore that my second most played character is a paladin ||

[warm plinth]

Is no one concerned about the time requirement for the weekly quest though

[clear tulip]

I can dig the Off/Def mindset on the Warr in instance rather than having to babysit a bit with utility. I wana cook 😂

[warm plinth]

Like it takes for fucking ever to get 1500 rep after you're done with the campaign

Because the only shit that gives reputation is WQs and bonus objectives. Rares don't

[crude notch]

Yeah this is annoying.

[torn gulch]

i just do 2 sets of wq and some events and i have the quest done saturday evening

[warm plinth]

Like I don't even know if it's possible to get 1500 rep in one day, which a lot of people are going to want to do

[toxic pewter]

I will say that paladin does have more utility yeah. Our strengths are in our stops and physical damage mitigation so good

[torn gulch]

it is possible but it isvery grindy

involves a contract and a lot of wq and weekly quests

[warm plinth]

like compare that to all the different rep sources possible for the Valdrakken weekly

[cloud umbra]

I have asked my evoker buddies about this fight .. I don’t think it’s possible??

[torn gulch]

imagine if the weekly was 3k

:))))))

[crude notch]

Maybe the invasions will give it?

[clear tulip]

How's the self-sustainability? Pally got some strong insurance like Bubble & Lay on. Even that stored WoG can crit & fill ya.

[toxic pewter]

Dang 1500 does seem a lot without campaign lol. Get like 25 rep every 30 min

[warm plinth]

I'm sure it's possible but they're going to have to have to be really good about having their CDs prepped and echos spread

[torn gulch]

i think invasions is valdrakken accord

[warm plinth]

Yeah like, you can get 90 rep per WQ with a r3 contract, and you get 50 rep per bonus objective

[toxic pewter]

Prob less self sustain but we mitigate a lot of damage… and we heal probably more than people realize

[warm plinth]

But rares give nothing, and most of the side quests give dragonscale expedition

[torn gulch]

you do wq get like 7-800 then you get the contract and finish the quest

[warm plinth]

and obviously you can only do side quests once

[clear tulip]

Word so a lot of prep defense rather than reactive healing?

[warm plinth]

Our healing is all either absorbs or passive trickle healing from doing damage

But yes we are a very proactive tank

[toxic pewter]

I would say we are still proactive type of tank

Ya

[warm plinth]

Tbf every tank is proactive, just some have more leeway on it than others.

Like people call DK reactive but in reality they're more proactive than us because they have to make sure they have RP pooled for big hits.

[toxic pewter]

True, but like you said pally has so many more oh shit buttons. We have shield wall that can get decently low cooldown but you have need to use it before the mega hit comes

[clear tulip]

Word sounds good! What are a couple tank busters from S1 I would've needed to be in Def Stance for? Crawth bleed? etc.

[warm plinth]

Crawth I basically sit in def stance the whole fight. Hyrja shield of light in higher keys. 2nd boss RLP if you get unlucky with parries, 3rd boss TJS

We don't have nearly the number of answers for bleeds that paladin does, so they punish us quite a bit if they happen often.

[toxic pewter]

Are there any bleeds in season 2 dungeon

[warm plinth]

There are some but they're almost all on trash mobs

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[clear tulip]

Word! What are our oh shit buttons?

[warm plinth]

Uh, I guess Last Stand is kind of an oh shit button as it's a 30% heal. But that one should still be used ahead of time in most cases (and we'll basically use it on CD in S2 with new tier). And we have impending victory which is a 25 sec CD 30% heal

But we are almost universally a tank that wants to have something up before you take the big damage

We're all about mitigation, whereas paladin has a lot more they can press after the fact like WoG and LoH

And we do not have a cheat death like paladin either (Battle-Scarred Veteran is a trash talent and it's not a true cheat death anyway)

[clear tulip]

That cheat is godly! Will have to get used to doing something about it more beforehand rather than dealing with it after the fact. Savagee, I appreciate your time. That's all for today, I will be messing around! I will be back! Peace 💪

[warm plinth]

👍

[trim bay]

Proactive not reactive. Our oh shit button is a battle res

[woven elk]

Anything i should spend my Spark on ? or should i save

[warm plinth]

Save it for now

[uneven mason]

Nope it has been a heal + boost since bfa

Infact In bfa it could crit heal

Which was poggers

Tbh LS is a shit button

With protection kit, it's just not a high impact ability

Like if 30% HP is going to be the difference between death and not, either we done goofed or we're attempting to cheese/show off

[warm plinth]

Rallying Cry IS temporary though, fwiw

[uneven mason]

Yeah it'd be a bit op if we could heal everyone for 15%

... looking at you early legion inspiring presence

[modern brook]

Rip forever 40 yard leech aura

[toxic pewter]

Does paladin mitigate physical damage better than us

[warm plinth]

Probably about the same I'd guess

It's hard to say for certain but they have more defensive CDs than us, can block (though not 100% chance), and have built in DR to some of their abilities

They can't crit block like we can

[toxic pewter]

Is there anything we actually do better than them

Not trying to troll or anything

I guess crit block counts that’s true

[uneven mason]

No

[toxic pewter]

Ok so we are still top physical damage mitigator right

[warm plinth]

We can guarantee blocking, which they can't

[uneven mason]

We're kings of physical mit, overall damage though they're able to deal with magic and bleeds without batting an eye

[toxic pewter]

What is their weakness these days

[warm plinth]

But yeah, they are definitely better than us for magic/non-blockable hits

[uneven mason]

And IP is in general much stronger than sotr armor and their mastery

[warm plinth]

Uh, having to be in one place for some of their mitigation I guess? lol

Well, for a lot of their mitigation really

[toxic pewter]

Are they prone to being one shot

[warm plinth]

No

[uneven mason]

None

[toxic pewter]

Like wtf is going on here

[warm plinth]

But they need to stand in their consecration to get a big chunk of their DR

[toxic pewter]

So less maneuverability

[austere sleet]

will we still have 100% uptime on SB after the new tier set and changing talents?

[uneven mason]

When you have a cheat death on e45s CD you don't worry about being one shot

[warm plinth]

Sort of. They have a super short CD on consecration

[toxic pewter]

What is their bleed

[uneven mason]

Yes

[warm plinth]

So inconvenient maybe, but not really a hindrance

[toxic pewter]

Is my question

[warm plinth]

Their bleed?

[toxic pewter]

Their Achilles heal

[warm plinth]

They do not have one that I can think of

[austere sleet]

yeah, as of right now, I don't think they have a downside

which is why a lot of people think they will get nerfed

[uneven mason]

They won't

It's easier to balance content when you can predict what people will use

[warm plinth]

The problem with prot pally in the past has always been that they were squishy outside of CDs. That's no longer a thing, but since they actually have CDs MORE than before, it has just compounded into them being giga strong.

[toxic pewter]

Are they prone to big magic damage

In one shot

[warm plinth]

And on top of their CDs, they get mitigation from a lot of places. Consecration gives a bunch, Avenger's Shield gives a bunch

No

[austere sleet]

nope, they have so many things to answer that

including a cheat death on low CD

[warm plinth]

They have a ton of CDs. Ardent Defender, bubble, Guardian of Ancient Kings, spellwarding if they need it, Sentinel

[uneven mason]

Blizzard design ideas is that paladins are bloated with every utility so high keys will be balanced around people always using the little pink pp

[toxic pewter]

They’re bad at kiting I guess

[warm plinth]

Yeah but no tanks kite

So who cares

[toxic pewter]

True

[uneven mason]

No tank will kite

[toxic pewter]

I’m trying to figure out something

[warm plinth]

If a tank has to kite then you just don't play that tank

[austere sleet]

me running for my life on my bear yeah...no one kites

[toxic pewter]

They even have an execute lol

[uneven mason]

Don't bother play what you enjoy

[warm plinth]

They're basically warriors with more utility at this point

And stronger against magic

[uneven mason]

Used rots for DPS last pack I see...*nods sagely

[toxic pewter]

If I went in paladin discord respectfully and asked where they believe their power level is what would they say

[warm plinth]

The only reason you play warrior over paladin right now is because you have more fun with it, which is valid since it's not like we're miles behind.

[uneven mason]

Lol

Respect on the paladin discord

[toxic pewter]

I mean to say like

Where is the objectivity here

[uneven mason]

They're literally soloing raids and still think their underpowered

[toxic pewter]

Where’s the paladins calling a spade a spade

[warm plinth]

I mean, we're being objective. They are objectively stronger than us. I'm not saying we're weak. Just that they're stronger.

Blizzard obviously realizes SOMETHING is amiss since they did just get a nerf.

[toxic pewter]

When we are strong we are like yeah that needs a nerf

[uneven mason]

We know

[toxic pewter]

Even when bsv was 90 seconds we were like yeah that’s way too strong

[warm plinth]

Which is funny since it's shit anyway

[toxic pewter]

For months on end i heard nothing but fuck warr nerf warr

What is going on here

[uneven mason]

If it worked the way it was worded

[warm plinth]

It would be usable at least, if it worked how it's worded. But it would still be something we would only use on like bleeding edge keys I'd imagine.

Too many people call it a cheat death when it's nothing of the sort

[uneven mason]

Because paladins are the most popular tank even when their shit

[toxic pewter]

Just completely baffling

[warm plinth]

Tbf, paladin has always been really fun

[uneven mason]

Anyway unless you're pushing like+30 keys

[toxic pewter]

They’re walking around with 70% on wings and 45 sec cheat death

[uneven mason]

It won't matter

[warm plinth]

But they were squishy as fuck without CDs before

[uneven mason]

I'm maining bear

[austere sleet]

what a chad

[uneven mason]

Because fucking murder bur

That DPS

[toxic pewter]

For the record I called paladin being strong #protection message

[uneven mason]

If you're only going to 20s murderbur

[warm plinth]

Nome has been saying Paladin was better than us since the start of the expansion

No one listened

[toxic pewter]

I remember

[austere sleet]

yeah a few people said it, was just needing ilvl to scale. Think Prot warrior was tankier as a baseline sort of thing

[uneven mason]

I mentioned it in the guardian discord in like December and people lost their fucking mind

[warm plinth]

kek

That's just bear copium because they're waiting for themselves to ever be meta

Not that bear is bad, but it's just...kinda average all the time

It doesn't really excel at anything

[uneven mason]

Oh they don't give a fuck if paladins are strong, they were just mad about warriors

[toxic pewter]

Like should tanks even have weaknesses these days

[uneven mason]

Most don't

[toxic pewter]

Like maybe I’m just thinking wrongly

[warm plinth]

Well, tanks don't really have weaknesses. Some require more skill to counter the dangerous things, but I don't think any tank just falls over to shit generally with proper play

[uneven mason]

Warriors are probably the worst off vs the mean tankbusters in season 1

[warm plinth]

Like you hear the meme all the time that druids are weak to magic, but that's not actually true

[toxic pewter]

I hear that a lot ya

[warm plinth]

They have really high uptime on defensives, they have a big self heal

[uneven mason]

Bear players tend to read tyguides and hard focus on DPS when they don't have the CDR to embrace that play style

[warm plinth]

Like honestly MOST tanks had an issue with bleeds in S1

Paladin was very strong against them obviously, and BDK

But other tanks had to use shit to counter them

[toxic pewter]

Why is paladin so good against bleeds

Is it their cd’s

[warm plinth]

Because not only can they remove them but they have big self healing

[toxic pewter]

Bubble I guess

[warm plinth]

And i they can't do either, they have big defensives

[toxic pewter]

Right

[uneven mason]

Their kit is offensive or defensive while paladins warriors monks and bdk get both

[warm plinth]

if*

They even have a talent that lets them heal themselves for extra if they have a bleed on them

[toxic pewter]

Dang

What are brews weaknesses

[uneven mason]

Why heal when you can be immune and hold aggro on infinite targets

[warm plinth]

Brew's weakness is that it has a pretty high skill floor I'd say, and they're more healing reliant than pretty much any other tank

[toxic pewter]

Do they handle bleeds well or no

[warm plinth]

Depends on how the specific bleed is classed

[uneven mason]

Twenty -Seven buttons

[warm plinth]

Most bleeds are classed as magic in terms of stagger

Which means they get hit hard by them

[toxic pewter]

Yeah their bloat is no joke lol

I think they need to level the field with bleeds lol

[uneven mason]

Brm has twenty seven fuck my ass abilities they use rotationally

[warm plinth]

Well, S2 has like...5 bleeds, and they're all on trash, so

[austere sleet]

I believe being in cons also gives you a chance equal to block chance to ignore a bleeds tick

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn

How is vdh with bleeds

[austere sleet]

this, hand cramp is their weakness when you got reach over to a second keyboard to get a core toational ability off

[uneven mason]

If you just didnt use your instant bop cancel aura macro to instantly remove it

[toxic pewter]

They self heal through them I guess

[warm plinth]

VDH has pretty good self healing, so probably not bad

VDH is gonna be so fucking degenerate next season though

[austere sleet]

yeah, veng you just keep going with your rotation to try and healing it back and keep frailty stacked as high as possible

[warm plinth]

You couldn't pay me enough to play that shit

[toxic pewter]

With the fiery brand or whatever

[uneven mason]

Vdh requires lunchboxing

[toxic pewter]

Yea

[warm plinth]

It's giga strong but if you fuck up you're screwed

and it's not exactly hard to fuck it up

[uneven mason]

Which is about as fun a playstyle as licking a cactus

[warm plinth]

Plus they were already very locked into their talent tree and now it's even worse

They literally have one viable build in S2

[toxic pewter]

I see

[austere sleet]

VDH is gonna be one of those things, for high level players, with good team comps playing around lunchboxing, it's gonna be absurd, for the average pug player struggling to do 20s (me) it's probably gonna be difficult

[restive crown]

what is lunchboxing?

[warm plinth]

Basically gaming tier set to get very long fiery brands

That's the simple version

[uneven mason]

Eating a demons ass in the taco bell bathroom

[austere sleet]

using their new tier set to extend Fiery Brand to absurd uptime and chain pulling packs to keep it spreading

[restive crown]

LOL

ohhhh

[warm plinth]

Which if you can maintain it, you do a lot of damage and have a lot of DR

But you have to chain pull and you have to not put fiery brand on the wrong target

Or you have to start over

And it's only possible because of a weird way that blizzard fixed something

[toxic pewter]

So had blizz commented if they’re gonna fix this or is it even working as intended

[uneven mason]

This was the fix

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

VDH has had literally 0 attention the entire expansion

Like...0

They need a ret paladin level rework

[austere sleet]

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe someone in the VDH discord said that this wasn't intended but that Blizzard doesn't really have a way of fixing it without gutting the set

[toxic pewter]

Now that you mention it I haven’t heard shit about vdh you’re right

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's not intended at all

But their fix for another thing made this possible

[uneven mason]

Spirit bomb needs to be deleted, can't change my mind

[warm plinth]

Nah spirit bomb is fun

Soul cleave is not

[toxic pewter]

Yah I don’t like spirit bomb either tbh

Lmao bong

[austere sleet]

I belive it was them fixing fiery brand so that the tier set would actually work once you've hard casted one already

[warm plinth]

Soul cleave is also garbage because it's capped at 5 targets and only hits in front of you

Yeah, I believe you're right

[toxic pewter]

Working as intended then lmao

[austere sleet]

yes, but....now the first stack of frailty on your primary target is 8s so it's good right? /s

[warm plinth]

MASSIVE

[austere sleet]

literally just the first stack, on primary target. it's like...why? haha, why even make that change

[uneven mason]

But yeah vdh has been half a spec since they took away artifact weapons and blizzard has shown zero interest in fixing that

[warm plinth]

Itamae has been my M+ tank since BFA season 2 and I've been dogging on him a lot lately

Because VDH is in such a sorry state

[austere sleet]

maybe I'll have an extra frailty stack up now when I finally press the hunt and Fel Dev

[toxic pewter]

Does Vdh still have 15% magic dr

[austere sleet]

their runes?

I'm not sure

[warm plinth]

I don't remember what it is now

I think it got nerfed in SL because of some bug

[toxic pewter]

Like built in

[warm plinth]

Where it was being doubled

[uneven mason]

I literally just spam soul cleave through my vdh sad 15s

[warm plinth]

But not sure what it's at now

[austere sleet]

I know they have talents that reduce magic damage taken, but they're not worth taking

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[uneven mason]

Like that's the extent of skill the spec requires

[warm plinth]

It's really sad because they gave havoc access to the shit that made vengeance special, which was sigils

[glossy oak]

what do you guys think abt this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cr6Hj05Lc

[warm plinth]

I will never think tier sets are worth shit

[glossy oak]

for me its all funny

[toxic pewter]

Lmao I’m literally watching it which sparked my semi rant about prot pall earlier

[warm plinth]

I like Naowh and I know that it's hard to be a content creator and not make tier lists, because people want them

But tier lists are all garbage

[lusty grotto]

tl;dr from naowh and dorki, i bet its gonna be pally first and warr 2nd

i dont even have to watch it

[warm plinth]

And Naowh especially does like to shit on tanks that he doesn't want to play.

[austere sleet]

the video itself and the opinions are off, but the bit when they're rating guardian druids magic defensiveness and dorkis like "I'd give it...maybe a 2?" and naowh replies "holy shit thats generous" made me cackle

[lusty grotto]

everyone agrees with that statement, pallies have way too much utility

[austere sleet]

they rate VDH as highest on ST which is just absolutely untrue

[toxic pewter]

They have bdk so low but I think in reality bdk is super strong

[lusty grotto]

bdk is meh

[toxic pewter]

I guess their damage is bad

[austere sleet]

it's because it's all feelycraft, it's just how they feel it's doing when they're playing it

[toxic pewter]

Which is everything now

[lusty grotto]

ran a few with my ret on tuesday, they were getting absolutely fucked on by the 20% damage change

[austere sleet]

bear #1 tank confirmed.

[toxic pewter]

Oh interesting

[uneven mason]

Bdk has people playing shit talents

[lusty grotto]

which is weird because death strike should have been buffed by that damage change

[warm plinth]

Are you suggesting that Umbilicus Eternus is not worth running sir

[uneven mason]

[warm plinth]

But yeah bdk has a lot of players running weird shit

Saw one a couple weeks ago who wasn't running bloodshot OR shattered bone

[uneven mason]

Bdk is still immortal played right

[warm plinth]

I was like...bruh

[austere sleet]

whaaaaaat KEKW

[lusty grotto]

i mean ive seen warriors running the shockwave build

in 20s....

on alts

[austere sleet]

was the player allergic to doing any form of damage

[uneven mason]

But I was healing a av and ours got fucked by shit they used to laugh off

[lusty grotto]

im like uhh

[uneven mason]

Hey sometimes you can't trust suss DPS to kick

[toxic pewter]

It’s still wild to me how prot warr went from one of the highest skill celing tanks to babby first tank training wheels

[austere sleet]

my issue right now is going into the new season, there's several tanks I really enjoy the gameplay of, so I'm not sure which one I want to main lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean its only cause banner management and rage usage was a thing

[uneven mason]

Shattered bone fucks

[lusty grotto]

either way its not a bad thing, we've been over this

more players playing tank is a good thing

[uneven mason]

That talent plus tombstone

[uneven mason]

I play all the tanks but for the fotm

[austere sleet]

yeah I'm skipping on Paladin, I just find the gameplay boring personally

[warm plinth]

don't you know they need rune tap to survive?

[uneven mason]

Because I'm not a fan of paladins in general

[lusty grotto]

my paladin is forever holy or ret

and only ret cause its actually fun now after the changes

and pumps

[uneven mason]

just like barbaric training is a 25% damage gain

[warm plinth]

Do you know what IS a bad thing?

[austere sleet]

don't forget to drop improved heart strike for improved VB and drop a point from heartbreaker for foul bulwark

[lusty grotto]

pls no

[modern brook]

[warm plinth]

This is a bad thing

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

[uneven mason]

[modern brook]

[warm plinth]

I wonder when the first time I posted this was

I'd like to know how long I've been harassing him about it

[uneven mason]

Oh memories

[austere sleet]

why you gotta murder him like that

[warm plinth]

Hold on, let me see how many views I got

[lusty grotto]

its a recurring thing

one of the olde memes

[cerulean tusk]

AI generated fake news

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

LMAOOO

[warm plinth]

9.4k, god damn

[uneven mason]

Are we doing classic skyhold moments?

[unkempt hatch]

That heroic version of coming tier set is chefs kiss

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck is crapopolis lmao

[crude notch]

your hometown

[lusty grotto]

oh no hes playing DK

[uneven mason]

That was 8.0 , BTW did you delete your prot spec Nim

[lusty grotto]

yes

it got rezzed

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

i mean its 8.0

reaping rezzed it

and of course zul memes in uldir

HoW iS wAr DoInG sO mUcH dMg

and prot!?

meanwhile sub rogues... heehee

[uneven mason]

👢🍵👏

[crude notch]

well 8.0 and 8.1 were different patches

[lusty grotto]

thanks man

[uneven mason]

Warriors were #1 DPS in m+ for 8.0, as long as rocks were not involved

[lusty grotto]

thanks

[tame blaze]

Anyone else sim their jeweled signet / annulet / diurna’s against season 2 rings yet?

[lusty grotto]

who would have thought .0 and .1 were different

we totally needed that correction

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

he forgot the ACHTUALLY

[uneven mason]

Akshualleh

[lusty grotto]

mmm yes

[crude notch]

Well you clearly did

[lusty grotto]

assuming

[crude notch]

crayon eater

[uneven mason]

[crude notch]

NOM NOM

go back to classic

[lusty grotto]

oooh hit some nerve

[crude notch]

not at all actually

i'm laughing my ass off

[lusty grotto]

aCkuAlLy

[crude notch]

?

Are you mentally good bro?

[lusty grotto]

im good living rent free on yours

super cozy

[uneven mason]

[crude notch]

Bro, living rent free in my head ain't what you think it cracks up to be.

[lusty grotto]

are you done th ough?

[crude notch]

done with what?

[lusty grotto]

i just wanna know when i get to move out

[crude notch]

bro you're not in my head idek who tf you are

I'm meme'ing

you're the one taking life srs

[lusty grotto]

Jordan is typing...

[crude notch]

I'm just killing time waiting in queue my lil homie

[warm plinth]

Okay but I got something worse going on

I just got a paper cut in the webbing of my hand

[crude notch]

Oh

shit

[warm plinth]

It feels great

[crude notch]

grab a lemon

[lusty grotto]

super glue it

[crude notch]

rub it

that's some kkona shit

[warm plinth]

Liquid bandage is something a lot of doctors will yell at you about

Because it seals everything in

I got a bandaid though

[lusty grotto]

lol

[warm plinth]

Kind of an awkward place for one, but it's working so far

[austere sleet]

love the liquidskin stuff tho

works a treat when hands get shredded bouldering

[lusty grotto]

bouldering is like free climbing right?

ah its the indoor stuff

[crude notch]

i triggered people the last time i talked about hand health in here so i'll refrain from commenting on liquid bandage

[austere sleet]

yeah climbing gym stuff, the holds are really rough so can scuff your hands up

no IRL ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think i went a few times years ago, but just out of fun

its been a while though and covid

seems like a great workout tbh

[austere sleet]

I mostly go just cause its fun and gets me away from the computer for an hour or so

[lusty grotto]

yeah seems great for those reasons

[warm plinth]

I am too fat for this

But working on getting not too fat for this

I am a weight loss journey tiktoker now

[lusty grotto]

lol

[austere sleet]

man, some of the larger people move up the walls miles better tahn I do

[warm plinth]

I'm like

larger than large people though

[lusty grotto]

theres this bike trail close to where i work

and has beer stops

its great all around and will fuck you up

like breweries set up close to the trail

[warm plinth]

Well see

I don't drink

[lusty grotto]

haha that's fine

they sell gatorade and have free water bottles if you have friends that do drink

and whatever the fuck else for hydration

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bHYyS.gif

[lusty grotto]

obviously, you will get absolutely plastered fast

sweating and higher blood pressure will do you good

[warm plinth]

I will probably buy a bike once I lose some weight, but I'll be sticking to pavement trails lol

[lusty grotto]

so its not like a binge shit

[warm plinth]

Some of those trails people go on are terrifying

[lusty grotto]

oh its not like mountain biking

those are fucking fun though

[warm plinth]

oh

[lusty grotto]

you can do it running if you feel like it

[warm plinth]

I saw this one video of a guy on a trail and it was literally a cliff face on one side and a huge drop on the other and he's got like an 8 inch trail to be on

Those people are nuts

[lusty grotto]

lmao fuck that

[austere sleet]

an accurate description of trying to tank high keys on a bear

[unkempt hatch]

😂😂😂

Poor bear

[crude notch]

Bear is fine. Everyone just sucks at it.

[ionic fern]

Why we bashin' bears again?

[stone pike]

Seems pointless to me. Anybody who plays them has no self respect to begin with.

[amber siren]

[stone pike]

I wish they weren't outclassed in almost every way. I liked bear tanking.

[amber siren]

I think they were looking pretty decent damage wise? Might be out done by the new VDH tier interaction though

[stone pike]

I miss when they had mark of ursol and you could decide which kind of damage you wanted to mitigate.

I guess an ability like that might not fare so well in the physical damage heavy tank scene though.

[warm plinth]

Mark of Ursol was overkill tbf

[ionic fern]

I enjoy bear.

400 ilvl, soon.

[warm plinth]

I like bear too. I just like both prot specs better

[austere sleet]

are you actually playing bear?

[ionic fern]

Me?
Yes.

[austere sleet]

I really enjoy mine, just wish you didn't have to trade off so many of the talents I like to do big dam

[ionic fern]

Planning to take it to the new raid.

[austere sleet]

let's go

[violet flume]

mark of ursol was overkill cause bear was overkill in legion

i know it cause i played one lmao

[austere sleet]

I took a break for a few expansions so I didn't get to experience legion bear

[violet flume]

i felt invulnerable tbh

i stopped playing mid nighthold tho

[austere sleet]

yeah was like 30% magic damage resist on 100% uptime or some shit wasnt it?

[violet flume]

ya 100% uptime

just meant you sacrificed ironfur stacks for it

it was juicy on botanist last phase on mythic.. i solo tanked the last phase which wasnt meant to be solo tanked since you took a stacking DoT

but best magic DR + highest hp does the trick

made the fight much easier since taunt swapping spawned 5 annoying adds

[clever arch]

Hey guys, seems like our sim profile uses eranog ring. Why is that? Going in fresh as as a new warri in 10.1 .Anyone tested how much we lose if we go a new >ilvl one?

[amber siren]

Static damage effects are usually better for tanks since we don't get the same damage scaling DPS do

If you want to know what the difference is from a specific ring, you'd need to do your own sim

[ionic fern]

Unless you're looking to min-max, don't bother with it.

[amber siren]

That too

[clever arch]

luckily i got a add a socket to a slot left over as i started equipping him in s1 😄

[ionic fern]

Especially not yet...there is a chance that Blizzard will nerf that ring with the upcoming tuning.

[clever arch]

and its only first boss maybe some guys would gather and reclear the first old boss 😄

[austere sleet]

quick question, how do we actually get 100% uptime on shield block after talent changes? doesn't dropping HR hinder our uptime?

[ionic fern]

Bolster.

With tier.

[clever arch]

true. i hope so but i mained arcane in s1 and all season i run 372 talon as best trinket so dunno

[ionic fern]

It brings LS cooldown to like 1.2m

Between Bolster/ITF/ED/BR you are fine.

No, not BR..CB.

😂

[edgy locust]

Whats bolstr

[ionic fern]

Talent on the right side which we don't take currently, but will with the new tier.
Reduces Last Stands CD by 60 seconds and causes Last Stand to provide you Shield Block for the duration of it.

[austere sleet]

bolster only gives the 15 seconds if you don't already have it up no?

[ionic fern]

Yeah.

And also allows you to break the 3xSB duration rule.

[austere sleet]

whats that rule? sorry really new to warr

[ionic fern]

I think it's a general rule for all tanks nowadays, but Warrior is probably the only one who might run into it.

Your active mitigation (SOTR/SB/DS etc) has a duration gap of 3xAM duration.

So for SB it's 3x6(8 with ED).

So you can't go higher than 18/24 seconds.

[urban portal]

i think prot pal has the biggest problem of all

[austere sleet]

all the noobs flocking to it?

[ionic fern]

Could be, haven't touched Prot pally in a while.

[urban portal]

no

its just that you use it as rotational damage

so you overcap on block

but you have to press it

[austere sleet]

so bolster lets you go above that? so would the opener be like last stand > Charge > BR > SB for the mitigation side of things?

[ionic fern]

If you NEED it, yes.

The "Lets you go above that" is just a bonus.

[edgy locust]

Whats the bolster

[ionic fern]

You won't be aiming for anything like that regadless.

[ionic fern]

Cmon man..read up..you asked it already and i answered.

[edgy locust]

Sorry net problem

[crude notch]

huh

[edgy locust]

Sometimes it doesnt load new messages

[undone verge]

Getting myself hyped up for Tuesday like I’m not gonna be watching 10 hours of splits and not raiding till Saturday

[ionic fern]

Why are you watching others raid.

[undone verge]

Race to world first ofc

[ionic fern]

Okay...

[austere sleet]

where can I watch Mwahi raid?

[remote venture]

People are hype for race to first

[austere sleet]

yeah I'm looking forward to it, just something I get excited for

[ionic fern]

On Discord.

[crude notch]

Stream wheN?

[ionic fern]

Now.

[crude notch]

lies

[ionic fern]

I diddn't specify in which Discord i'm streaming.

[blazing condor]

its my discord

just me and him

[warm plinth]

How would you know

since you don't know

[remote venture]

Are mirrors even real?

[blazing condor]

im delusional

[rough solar]

Do we have a bis list somewhere?

[stuck terrace]

I think this is the last version

[rough solar]

Thank you kind sir

Does this take into account the tier set stat changes from 2 days ago?

[thorny stone]

do we really want neltharion's call?

[jagged pier]

after the nerf not anymore

and that list was made before that

also theres not really a list just equip highest ilvl

[thorny stone]

then anvil it is, time to make my healer premade suffer "you cant drink, my buff is dropping off, next pull!"

[stuck terrace]

I dont think so. I dont think we want shoulders anymore.

[hardy snow]

I like anvils design, just makes our slam do more pew pew

[strong forum]

Slightly out of date

450 shield and anvil instead of nelth call

And enchant doesn't matter which anymore

Wafting, sophic, frozen or shadowflame are all equal

[craggy pilot]

aqnyone have a good tip for gaining fast Niffen rep?

accidentally took the niffen quest after i did the entire campaign 🤦‍♂️ so now i get no spark this week

unless i manually fill this up, and WQs are only 75 rep a piece

[rough solar]

Do we still want double shadowflame embellishment over frostfire belt?

[strong forum]

Same diff

Neither option is massively worse/better than the other

[craggy pilot]

its almost as if it was the same as S1 😄

all Embelish are insanely close to each other

likely just gonna keep my Frostfire + Lariat combo

[rough solar]

Thanks

[atomic inlet]

i cant use old set tokens huh?

[crude notch]

As in the catalyst charges? No.

Catalyst is down altogether right now. S1 and S2 stuff cannot be converted, at this time.

If you're talking about an actual tier token it should work just by clicking it.

[zenith sky]

Check the other side quests in the area, they typically reward 1k rep at the end of the chain. Digs can give you some rep tokens. If you have done everything, events on the map (50? rep each), world quests or/and niffen contract are the only way. In case you have alts that you go through the campaign with, watch out for "account-bound" rep tokens, these can also drop from digs and you can send them to your main.

[craggy pilot]

yea i did the Grimerogg games and got 1k

thx tho 🙂

[zenith sky]

🙂

[craggy pilot]

now time to do Campaign on 4th character 🤣

[jagged pier]

no lariat doesnt compete at all anymore

[craggy pilot]

how much is it behind?

[late wasp]

at the risk of proving to be an idiot, what is rolling shadowflame referring to? is that the armor patch?

[edgy kindle]

Should I keep frostire belt to proc Eranogg's ring? We don't have other fire dmg, do we?

(By keep I mean upgrade to 447)

[austere sleet]

shadowflame stuff counts I believe

but I think frostfire is decent ish

[edgy kindle]

Oh, yeah, ShadoFLAME, I'm an idiot

[austere sleet]

i wouldnt craft anything just yet tho, lots of balancing to come

[craggy pilot]

frostfire belt got buffed, so keep it yes

[uneven mason]

It's balanced around full sockets iirc

So probably quite a bit, and even maxing it's potential the new stuff is ahead

Like until they balance it double shadowflame is sounding like a winner, but the belt isn't far behind

[craggy pilot]

shadowflame 100% gonna get nerfed

[uneven mason]

It's the new hotness

I'm betting it might get tuned, but it won't get gutted

They're making game 1, which means it's ok to have cool shit that might not be balanced

As long as you're not gating access to it

[toxic pewter]

Damn that’s really really unfortunate.. not sure 900 rep is possible before reset. Do you have niffen contract

[craggy pilot]

i already done it nps mate 😄

got 1000 from quest in south cave

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[rancid tiger]

shadowflame the embellishment ?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[daring marlin]

Even if you were out of rep you could've done the pvp weekly

😛

[spring glacier]

Yea was gonna say i just queued an epic bg on my alts to get my sparks that way haha ain't gonna be doing the campaign more than once or twicee

[craggy pilot]

the campaign is only 1 hour

[granite pond]

Much less than an hour if all you’re after is the spark. Intro scenario then a couple quests, get to Loamm, accept spark quest and rep quest, turn in intro for 2500 rep, done.

[south knoll]

Feels longer than 1 hour on the third char

Kinda like, why can't we defeat that annoying Emberthal ? Let Saralekh (or whatever the name) win.

[craggy pilot]

anyone know what ilvl the rares in the cave drop?

[craggy pilot]

yea but the campaign is nice for Flightstones anyway

but ye i get you

[uneven mason]

Anyone know how the haste legs are? Like I know they're not bis but I finally got the pattern (not the one I wanted)

[final mist]

They're "usable" but not really any point crafting them when other stuff is better and as easily attainable.

Plus if you're playing DPS specs, embellishments are pretty consistent, I.E. shadowflame patch + X.

[uneven mason]

Yeah true and avoiding tier slot

[ionic fern]

@final mist wtf Sal,where you been?

[final mist]

I've been playing since early S1, just chilling and laying low. Looking for a guild again now tho.

[uneven mason]

👢 🍵 👏 too hard and got stuck in bfa

[ionic fern]

Are you a worrior?

[final mist]

Unironically yeah lmao, I haven't pugged or anything so all my most recent logs are from end of BFA.

[uneven mason]

Told you

[final mist]

Yeah, maining Fury/Arms atm since I'm gonna be pushing high keys mainly with a group of friends and one of them is a Vengeance OTP

[ionic fern]

Sounds fun.

[final mist]

Prot was fun in S1 tho

Everything I've played so far has been

[ionic fern]

Wish i had friends who wanted to do keys outside of guildies on tuesday evening.

[final mist]

They really hit a home run with the talent trees this expac

I'm around basically every night to do stuff, hmu

[ionic fern]

Je,most classes i've tried are fun..though some have more build variety than others.

[final mist]

Yeah

[pallid quiver]

don't listen to his lies mwahi it's just a ghost

[ionic fern]

And the new DF dungeons seem horrific,ngl.

Werent' you NA??????

[final mist]

Sadly I have become the two things I used to despise most as two of my three alts

[final mist]

Yeah come to na

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

come to na and conquer it, mwahi, claim your birthright

[final mist]

Garm and I will carry the fuck out of you in keys

[ionic fern]

I cba being r1 NA prot warrior. Too easy.

[final mist]

@ sense