yes
#protection
sick sentinel
note to self don't spend whelpling on leather boots trying to complete quest of upgrade gear to X
figured out quickly enough though and its just 15 blue things, oh well
modern brook
Bout 42 feet :^)
sick sentinel
thats how far i make it in diablo 2 before something 1 shots me and i quit
reef flame
Did the eranog ring / frost fire belt get nerfed? Full raszageth kill and a whole key and not seeing the ring on dps meters
Or bugged* is probably the better question
Ran decoration of flame for a while too and still no proc
strong forum
no the ydidnt
frostfire belt got buffed by 108%
u sure you got the belt equipped?
or the ring
icy bane
If we need spell block for S2, should we just go the current S1 build?
fresh igloo
you should go with current builds for everything until you get new tier set bonuses
icy bane
Guess I should preface if you do have the new tier set, is it still better to sacrifice one of the three options in the pins or just going the S1 build
fresh igloo
if you're looking at the pinned build for new tier set in M+, I'd personally drop bloodsurge for spell block if I found it necessary
gloomy vortex
What’s recommended first spark craft for prot warrior then?
fresh igloo
shield or belt or any slot you know you'll keep crafted long term (like where you might put the new shadowflame embellishment). you might hold off for a week or two and see what's a gap that needs filling.
potent gulch
Neltharion trinket is simming turbo ass after nerf
jagged pier
Yes
dry tide
are we using shadowflame armor patch as one of our embellishments?
jagged pier
Probably as both our embelishments
jagged pier
Yes
wide jay
Can we upgrade the Onyx Annulet to 443 already? Or is my guildie trolling me
jagged pier
No
daring marlin
Being trolled
jagged pier
It doesnt go higher than what it is now
dry tide
so no more lariat, frostfire belt?
wide jay
So armory is trolling us.. Damnit
wide jay
Any1 here having some sort of picture with our BiS items for 10.1?
dry tide
Are we not using lariat or frostfire belt anymore
jagged pier
We arent using lariat for sure u can use frostfire its only 200 dps behind double shadowflame
dry tide
ok cool
wide jay
Ok so no more Lariat for us. I see
dry tide
thanks for all the help man. much appriciated
wide jay
There isnt one, just highest ilvl stuff
Thanks for the info mate
frosty sapphire
How do we get the other half of the spark
cloud umbra
How do we get the other half of the spark
just do the main quests
astral crystal
make sure to use the rep tokens in your bags
cerulean tusk
I never understood why those tokens just doesn't get auto consumed 
tired escarp
What are people looking to use their SF sparks on?
icy bane
Could be a 424 shield for start of S2 don’t seem too bad
cerulean tusk
Best shield you can get in the game atm, no?
loud wave
Best shield you can get in the game atm, no?
You can Craft better one with Spark ?
That's what I have
strong forum
he means its currently the only shield in the game before s2 that can technically be upgraded to 437
stark sandal
You COULD craft a shield or you could upgrade that and craft a weapon and have your two strongest item slots in a very good place from day 1
sullen gust
So for this season, the best embellishments is still unstable frostfire belt, and now the shadow flame patch? I thought the belt was bis because of the raid rings, but if they're under ilevel and there's new gear etc why are we still taking the belt?
fresh igloo
belt got buffed , it does good damage. double shadowflame might be good too tho.
lusty karma
Lariatt should be relevant later on in the patch once you have sockets again right?
frosty sapphire
Wrong chat sorry
undone verge
Lariatt should be relevant later on in the patch once you have sockets again rig...
Yes
vivid orchid
would a 441 forgestorm be bis or does it have to be from vault
potent gulch
What's second best trinket in New t30 profile?
vivid orchid
ah yea so it is bis
going into the tier with an already made belt is useful, but yea double patch is stronger overall
mighty valley
Be wary of further tuning if you’re obsessed with perfection
Or just be chill
Either way works
vivid orchid
im honestly expecting the patch to be brought in line with other embellishments
toxic pewter
u guys think the dungeons will be tuned well this time
daring marlin
fuck no
sleek current
WoWhead is still recommending elemental lariat as our second embellishment with frostfire belt but, I heard talk of a helm, which helm is that?
daring marlin
prepare for P A I N
toxic pewter
WoWhead is still recommending elemental lariat as our second embellishment with ...
general consensus is double shadowflame at the moment
sleek current
Is that the armour patch?
toxic pewter
its new embellishment, can go on any armor including shield
sleek current
I'm hanging on to mine regardless at the moment because, I want to grab the shield recipe so I can use it on that instead of just upgrading my molten defender. :d
toxic pewter
r u a blacksmith
sleek current
Yeah, armoursmith, I've got nearly every piece maxed now. I think I'm missing waist and boots
toxic pewter
nice
sleek current
Better yet, the only blacksmith in the guild focused on armour so the recipe is mine. 😂
long stone
bitter herald
talents on wowhead show bolster, which is for supporting new tierset
should we take something else before we get that
(just swapped to this from arms for 10.1 so missed the 10.0.5 builds, have VotI 4pc)
warm plinth
Differences are to run heavy repercussion instead of ITF and tough as nails/ spell block instead of bolster. Pretty sure those are the only changes iirc
warm plinth
I'm hanging on to mine regardless at the moment because, I want to grab the shie...
What shield recipe
vivid orchid
the new one they added to the raid
warm plinth
Isn't that an embellished item though?
warm plinth
So he couldn't add the patch to it
thorny stone
after the nerf to call of nelth, what combo of trinkets are we looking for, for raid and m+?
echo egret
I've had a few snap-AoE-threat issues recently, is it worth considering Uproar ?
warm plinth
Not in keys, no
warm plinth
What drakes
austere sleet
think hes refering to dracthyr
but think most tanks have issues with evokers pulling aggro early on in a pull atm
toxic pewter
ngl i dont have any aggro issues
sleek current
So he couldn't add the patch to it
I'm making it for transmog but, I also didn't know it had an embellishment on it. I'll make it later. 😄
dry spear
The anvil is ranked a very good dps trinket. Are those numbers valid on bloodmallet?
icy yarrow
having now the tier legs with less mast and no hast is still better than a hast-crit crafted legs + tier helm? afaik u can still put the flame in legs right?
the quantity of stats remains the same in both crafted slots iirc
glad brook
Im a new tank for 10.1 does anyone know what trinket is the best from this quest https://www.wowhead.com/quest=75233/flesh-to-bone they seem decent enough
south zealot
sup prot noobs
toxic pewter
who u calli nnoob
glad brook
Is overperforming
thank you
south zealot
who u calli nnoob
you
south zealot
why not
toxic pewter
vocal hinge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3KNnd3xvpe3w531sL5XZD8 New to fury but is there sims bugged over the new trinkets? i just think it werid that these 2 world trinkets are that much better then my other 411 trinkets
fresh igloo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3KNnd3xvpe3w531sL5XZD8 New to fury but is...
have you considered asking the fury channel
tender quartz
If I kinda did let one of my toons ( any class ) collect dust until now and he's got only 2 Spark Items ( Weapon + Lariat ), do I get my 3 other sparks today ( old ones, 392 ) and craft something with them? Or is it not worth the effort.
vocal hinge
have you considered asking the fury channel
rip me srry
scenic mural
If I kinda did let one of my toons ( any class ) collect dust until now and he's...
At 392, not worth crafting
scenic mural
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3KNnd3xvpe3w531sL5XZD8 New to fury but is...
Not bugged, drogbar rocks performs just below 424 grieftorch in ST for some classes
crude notch
I like it when a new rotation comes out. Makes the first go around suspenseful.
daring marlin
Nope, no rotation announced yet.
Fort first 🤞
warm plinth
Fort first 🤞
Don't think we've ever had it do two of the same +2 affix back to back
trim bay
so are you guys using drogbar rock for the meantime? if you dont have grieftorch. and if so should i upgrade it?
trim bay
25 percent extra dmg
lilac bloom
was doing occult and arching strike chomped me for 80k
and i'm squishy now
jeezus.. never experience this kind of problem before
lilac bloom
i was using mitigation still it hits hard unless i'm not using spell reflect enough
thats the group of lighning adds
trim bay
i didnt mean that
lilac bloom
killed me instantly
trim bay
i meant no reflect, block we farked
lilac bloom
yah.. probably why
trim bay
if its a caster. 25 percent is a lot
lilac bloom
yah i probably should use spell reflect more and that spell block
red wave
Haven't done prot since beta, I notice no one takes Thunderlord and grabs Battering Ram instead. It outweighs the power of Thunderlord, or is it just due to how much excess rage in M+?
lilac bloom
hmm how to check if i'm running thunderlord or battering ram whateva on talent tree
so far thats my recommend talent tree
and this is the gear i'm using
i'm doing 19 and i'm getting wrecked
red wave
I'm 409 and doing 18-19s pretty easily, just surprised to see Thunderlord being ignored. I'll have to try without it and see if I miss the rage.
austere sleet
battering ram is the bottom left talent
red wave
Oh, sorry - I was coming in with a new question. Wasn't interjecting in your convo.
austere sleet
hmm how to check if i'm running thunderlord or battering ram whateva on talent t...
that was a reply to this
edgy viper
Trying out warrior tanking for the first time, and i am constantly rage starved. Is that a spec issue or a stat issue?
austere sleet
whats your talent build look like?
edgy viper
Mine?
austere sleet
yeah
lilac bloom
oh.. i'm using battering ram
edgy viper
BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEAAAAgkkEJJRSLpkkkmQEiAJSUSSAiEIUQSCJCEAAAAAAAASAAKlCAIA
the string for what i use
austere sleet
I'd unspec Barbaric Training
edgy viper
Where should i relocate that point?
austere sleet
move it into concussive blows or soemthing
pallid quiver
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you should look at pins
There's a lot of issues with that build and I haven't even opened it in full view
edgy viper
lol
austere sleet
you're also missing Thunderous Roar which is decent damage
edgy viper
I was told it was something i should use til i got 2 pc set
pallid quiver
A lot of the decisions made showcase a lack of understanding of what makes the class work (Not enough block uptime talents, TR gone, Ravager gone...)
why the fuck is outburst not there?
Whoever told you that, you should never listen to again
edgy viper
...trade chat request for help...
cerulean tusk
Prob one of those, don't use SB only IP warriors
pallid quiver
Trade chat includes anywhere from bored people, trolls, the best players in the game, to racists, drug abusers, and people on life support
edgy viper
Ok so knowing that, and the fact that i have no tier, which of the pinned builds should i go with
pallid quiver
You're rage starved because you're using talents that rage starve you (Barbaric Training) without talents that massively increase your rage economy (Ravager, Outburst)
2p/4p of S1 has no influence on your build, S2 2p has minimal influence on your build (you swap like Bloodsurge/Tough as Nails for bolster and that's roughly about it)
sick sentinel
WARRIOR 🔛 🔝 🔥 🗣️ 🔥
pallid quiver
So take the gen purpose M+ build swap ITF to HR, Bolster to Tough as Nails
sick sentinel
they are grey idk i just kept 1k sold the rest
daring marlin
I'm 409 and doing 18-19s pretty easily, just surprised to see Thunderlord being ...
Not sure if it was answered yet as I skimmed but thunderlord is bad because it desyncs cooldowns and doesn't really give that much of a gain.
Battering Ram is just better in every way
scenic mural
no roar, no outburst, no ravager, no bueno
pallid quiver
wait a fucking second
edgy viper
It says the M+ build in pins is not a viable one to copy?
pallid quiver
that build doesn't even have spellreflect
sick sentinel
use this
BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEBAAAASSSkkgUSKJJpUQEiQRiElkEAQSQDJJIARCAAAAAAAEBAo0aAgA
Alvarim talent tree
pallid quiver
Just recreate the one in pins, then; I assume Wowhead's on a different version than live or something for its generation
I've had a few problems for importing builds from wowhead
sick sentinel
to get better watch this https://www.youtube.com/@AlvarimWoW
edgy viper
wait, there was a skill to block spells?
sick sentinel
yeah
edgy viper
...
edgy viper
we are going to pretend that wasn't true
yep i wasn't missing that this whole time
nope not me
pallid quiver
Also, I would not recommend the Alvarim one due to it choosing Aegis over Imp Wall, which is just objectively worse if you're playing at all decent
pallid quiver
unless there's an encounter that calls for two direct back-to-back shield walls coming up, which I don't think there is
pallid quiver
you can complete +24s with the build Shok was given
edgy viper
For the moment, i will be happy with just getting prepped for next tier of dungeons. 24s are a long way off for me
sick sentinel
just overkill
edgy viper
This has a lot more buttons than my Druid or Paladin
sick sentinel
5 interrupts
edgy viper
Should i only be using Revenge when i get a proc?
sick sentinel
no
perma
shield block revenge thunder clap
off cd
perma
ignore pain when you need it
pallid quiver
You may want to look at a guide
edgy viper
isn't ignore pain something i should spam to max level of defense?
sick sentinel
no
pallid quiver
Your main rage spender is Revenge, and you only use IP to avoid overcapping
sick sentinel
it's eating your rage
edgy viper
Ok i was trolled in trade. I was told to keep it as close to max value as possible
austere sleet
so with bolster, say we have SB up, will it just add 15 seconds to the existing buff?
edgy viper
i was refreshing it as often as possible
daring marlin
so with bolster, say we have SB up, will it just add 15 seconds to the existing ...
No.
austere sleet
it'll not give it if you already have it?
daring marlin
It will not.
pallid quiver
IP isn't particularly a life saving measure; it slows down the damage you take and does save you a lot of damage over the course of a dungeon, but keeping the basic engine of the class (Generating Rage and then Spending Rage) going is your main way to survive
sick sentinel
Ok i was trolled in trade. I was told to keep it as close to max value as possib...
You wanna use ignore pain when you know a lot of dmg is coming
Even then don't spam it
It's legit emptying ur rage bar
pallid quiver
oh you're gonna spam it, you just only use it to avoid overcapping, which means when playing well, it's like 10 CPM
frosty sapphire
Where do I get frosty soul and firey soul to craft my belt if I'm not engineering?
edgy viper
So i need to use it more as i would Argent Defender
daring marlin
Where do I get frosty soul and firey soul to craft my belt if I'm not engineerin...
You need the zapthrottle
edgy viper
Dragon Strike incoming Ignore Pain
daring marlin
buy it off the AH
daring marlin
So i need to use it more as i would Argent Defender
No.
pallid quiver
So i need to use it more as i would Argent Defender
You really need to just look at a guide
crude notch
Hello? Did someone call my name?
daring marlin
Once again like Luerce said you should just look at a guide.
crude notch
I heard someone mention hot garbage
edgy viper
Oh, they meant me
crude notch
It is I, hot garbage
pallid quiver
I recommend IcyVeins myself, since it's written by our wonderful Mwahi who's in here
sick sentinel
Demoralizing shout shield block and spell reflect are my main prio defensive abilities
edgy viper
<<<garbage tier warrior lol
crude notch
😳
sick sentinel
Shield wall only on tank busters or very big pulls
daring marlin
I'd ignore what this Leon guy is saying and just read a guide
edgy viper
ok i will be back later gonna go take a peek at this icy veins site you guys are talking about
daring marlin
respectfully
pallid quiver
Yeah, I'd ignore Leon, too
sick sentinel
U act like it's rocket science
daring marlin
You're the one complicating it.
sick sentinel
Just tell the man what buttons to press
pallid quiver
It's not; you're complicating it while being wrong, too
frosty sapphire
Ok I bought it
pallid quiver
You want to press Shield Wall often, while having it for big damage intake. You want to press Ignore Pain, but not at the cost of Revenge
crude notch
Shield wall only on tank busters or very big pulls
daring marlin
Good. There are elementals you can kill in Azure Span. Fire ones are north...east? and water are south.
sick sentinel
How's it wrong are you eating every ability ?
daring marlin
you channel on them and kill them
ebon python
Ok I bought it
Remember empty soul cages
daring marlin
Remember empty soul cages
good call
frosty sapphire
Ty
sick sentinel
I guess you need to press it on cd when you don't make use of ur interrupts and movement
daring marlin
Don't use the item right away--gotta wait like 15 mins for it to turn into the right thing then you open it.
daring marlin
I guess you need to press it on cd when you don't make use of ur interrupts and ...
I can't tell if this is a poe or not
frosty sapphire
What elementals should I be looking for will any do?
pallid quiver
You're encouraging wasted casts of Shield Wall; doesn't surprise me since you're advocating for Aegis over Imp Wall, which means you have like at least 30 more seconds CD on your Shield Wall, but you want to mitigate as much damage as possible through an entire encounter or dungeon
crude notch
You should be pressing it as close to on CD as possible, yes. A bad usage of Shield Wall is better than no usage of Shield Wall.
edgy viper
Ok first question while reading guide. How bad does mastery scale that it is listed as below crit and vers?
sinful copper
What elementals should I be looking for will any do?
Just look up the item you need. The comments on wowhead will explain it
edgy viper
that just seems like it shoudl be good
crude notch
I wish someone would inhale my soul.
daring marlin
pallid quiver
Ok first question while reading guide. How bad does mastery scale that it is lis...
It requires RNG to get the crit block, and the attack power gain isn't as much as Crit; it's not terrible or anything, and more Strength is still more worth any combination of secondaries, but it doubles down on things that aren't majorly noticeable
sick sentinel
Surely someone new to the class is gonna have the perfect cool down timing for shield wall
edgy viper
Oh ok that is simple enough. Too used to Parry being kind of a meh stat on my other toon so i wasn't even really looking at crit as a good stat
sinful copper
Yah just pop it on CD. You can fill gap when you need it with other defensives
pallid quiver
Parry is nice, too, don't mistake that
daring marlin
we do big good dammy
pallid quiver
It can swing your damage intake pretty nicely
especially if you luck into parrying a tankbuster
It's not something to rely on, but it just casually reduces your healing overall on average
edgy viper
Oh i was just more meaning that it seemed nearly impossible to get enough crit on my Paladin to really get my Paladin to a good Parry rating
pallid quiver
It's not quite as reliable defensive as Vers, though, but Vers isn't noticeable like ever
Same for like any tank from just Crit
crude notch
Surely someone new to the class is gonna have the perfect cool down timing for s...
It's better for them to send it on cooldown and learn when to hold it for a few seconds later than to never ever send it and only send it on scary stuff or last minute when you're already at 20% hp.
daring marlin
pally has SIA to bump their parry
pallid quiver
It's just something that happens
sick sentinel
you can't say to press it on cd that all depends on the dungeon aswell
it's learning by playing
if u press ur shield wall on cd gl in tjs
crude notch
Bro
sinful copper
What dungeon would u not press on CD?
edgy viper
Don't really need it on heroic or normal dungeon
crude notch
Send it on cooldown, build a better habit of using it more.
daring marlin
You don't even need defensive CDs on packs most of the time and that's a fact of learning the DUNGEON not your CLASS.
crude notch
Instead of telling them to hold it.
And then they use it 3 times in a 30 minute dungeon
sick sentinel
I don't use it unless I need it cuz u get to know the limits of your class
daring marlin
Much like DPS, send on CD and optimize when you learn the dungeon.
sinful copper
Leon what's your io?
daring marlin
you're out of your depth
crude notch
Then I'd love to see a log of yours.
Because if you think using Shield Wall as an oh shit button is the play, you're just wrong.
sick sentinel
it's not
crude notch
A bad shield wall is better than no shield wall.
sick sentinel
it's to learn when to press it
sinful copper
Leon what's your io?
crude notch
Which when you're first learning to play
sick sentinel
Zhemo
crude notch
is on cd
sick sentinel
but with crossed o
pallid quiver
io doesn't mean jack in terms of performance, Sorbi, I wouldn't use that as an argument
the logs are the better request
sick sentinel
I'm only 2,1k or smth rating atm but im only playing for like 6 weeks
slim dove
seem kinda insane for m+ assuming drogbar rocks get nerfed (they will)
sinful copper
2.1k io 
slim dove
392 is over 100k per mob
sick sentinel
pallid quiver
There was a discussion about how shit that trinket is earlier, Varu
Nome had words for it
sinful copper
io doesn't mean jack in terms of performance, Sorbi, I wouldn't use that as an a...
Well I wanted to see if he was 3.3k io and then he knows what he's talking about. But 2.1k io is literally heroic dungeons still
slim dove
There was a discussion about how shit that trinket is earlier, Varu
why is it shit though
sinful copper
Where u can hold shield wall whole dungeon
daring marlin
why is it shit though
Duration too short
you'd have to take a ridiculous amount of damage for it to even be beneficial
crude notch
sorb, luerce is right. There's people with dogshit io that know more than you ever will about a spec.
So it's irrelevant
sick sentinel
ok sorbitol educate me
pallid quiver
Something like 600k DPS intake over 8 seconds or something
daring marlin
per mob
sick sentinel
I've been playing in those like 6 or 8 weeks
effectively maybe 4
never had to spam my shield wall
edgy viper
should i macro ignore pain and block together or would that be wasteful of rage?
crude notch
drogbar rocks trinket is different and is actually a good trinket because it's big dammy
pallid quiver
I don't remember the full convo since I was in the middle of dying from lack of sleep, but you should be able to find the in-depth info by searching Nome's post history
crude notch
But yes that tank trinket is trash
pallid quiver
should i macro ignore pain and block together or would that be wasteful of rage?
They're used an entirely different points, so no. Almost nothing of Warrior's can reliably be macro'd together, unfortunately
slim dove
I don't remember the full convo since I was in the middle of dying from lack of ...
nah 8 seconds makes sense why its trash
edgy viper
phooey, wanted to save some space on my bars
pallid quiver
You can replace your Ignore Pain bind with a bind that goes
/cast Ignore Pain
noooooooo
fat fingerrrrrs
Goes
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
To help you ensure you don't miss Shield Slam resets, but you still need a separate Shield Slam button
so you're not gonna be saving any keybinds
edgy viper
sinful copper
sorb, luerce is right. There's people with dogshit io that know more than you ev...
However the higher your io, the higher likelihood that you understand the optimal rotation in dungeons better than 99% of warriors. Saying to hold shield wall during the dungeon matches 2.1k io where you're probably not even needing defensives
edgy viper
45 seconds on the guide, i can already see i was tanking poorly lol
pallid quiver
Extreme doubt considering the tales of "top Wars" we've seen time and time again who can't even keep Shield Block up, yet are 3k+ io
crude notch
However the higher your io, the higher likelihood that you understand the optima...
That's objectively just false, there's repeated examples of higher io players just lacking the knowledge of the fundamental basics of specs and some of them even admit they do.
pallid quiver
45 seconds on the guide, i can already see i was tanking poorly lol
If it makes you feel better, you were probably tanking at least five times better than the guy who gave you that talent build since you're actually thinking
austere sleet
does raid horn hit allies or only yourself?
austere sleet
Stop hitting yourself Sean
dont worry, I saved SW for it
edgy viper
I don't see anything on here about if i should swap stances or not, but i see on the macro page a stance swap macro.
Under what situations do i need to swap from def to battle stance
crude notch
you start in battle stance
sinful copper
That's objectively just false, there's repeated examples of higher io players ju...
I don't think it is. If you look at percentage of 3k+ io players, they have a better understanding of dungeon mechanics and their own spec than players under 2k
pallid quiver
Under what situations do i need to swap from def to battle stance
Reverse; you default to Battle
edgy viper
I have not played warrior since Gladiator spec lol. I miss Gladiator spec
crude notch
that's not the point at all though
pallid quiver
And you swap to Defensive pretty much only whenever spooky damage is going to come in
crude notch
But I definitely know plenty that never do keys that know more than those over 3k.
pallid quiver
Tanks, all tanks, when played well, take minimal damage in comparison to how much the party takes, so your life is only ever in danger in specific circumstances
eg Crawth bleed for Wars in Academy, Hyrja's Shield can kill you if you don't prepare for it, etc
edgy viper
I should have just gone DK...Deathstrike, and morrow strike and done. 🙂
pallid quiver
DK's harder than Prot War
edgy viper
DON'T TAKE MY ILLUSIONS
pallid quiver
You have to like, actually put some amount of effort in managing resources
Prot War is currently the easiest tank to play at the moment
edgy viper
Bear Druid lol
pallid quiver
Our base rotation is the simplest by far and all our CDs are just send it
crude notch
Bear Druid lol
Bear is definitely not easier right now to play and live in content that's threatening.
pallid quiver
We no longer have to think about SB uptime since we can casually guarantee 100% uptime, removing the one main resource management we used to care about
edgy viper
Bear is definitely not easier right now to play and live in content that's threa...
I put it as easier because i played it for far longer. I know it a lot better.
crude notch
Time of playing something =/= knowledge of playing something
Asmon's been playing warrior for how long?
edgy viper
Never watched his vids to be honest. So i don't know if he is good or not, only who he is
I think i saw more of his Diablo Immoral vids than i did his WOW
sinful copper
But I definitely know plenty that never do keys that know more than those over 3...
It's overall knowledge too. Having less spec knowledge can be supplemented with dungeon knowledge. Knowing which are tank busters, which kicks or ccs to do, etc. You might just be surrounded by a network of those with strong class knowledge and don't push io, but there's no way there is higher percentage of those with more knowledge at 2k io than 3k+
crude notch
I never said that
edgy viper
hahahahaha i love that part of the guide has a note to "face enemies"
sinful copper
U said you know a ton of people with more knowledge than 3k+ players, and they don't even push
crude notch
I know plenty that never do keys that know more than plenty of those over 3k.
Happy now
Pedantic mofo
Help the person asking questions
sinful copper
And what does that statement prove? All I said was those with over 3k io are more likely to know more than those at 2k
And you responded with that
sinful copper
Wow you rly have warrior brain
crude notch
Fixating on the person's io does nothing
sinful copper
When did I fixate on it?
crude notch
The fact that you're still talking about it even after the dude left
sinful copper
Those with 3k+ are more likely to know more than 2k. There's nothing wrong with that statement and you responded with "I know a person that knows more and doesn't have io"
Literal sample size of 1
last mason
Is there gonna be any playing around the 4p or not really
crude notch
Those with 3k+ are more likely to know more than 2k. There's nothing wrong with ...
You gonna rail on Luerce for 20 minutes for saying it first or?
crude notch
jesus
crude notch
Is there gonna be any playing around the 4p or not really
As of right now there is some extremely niche scenarios but it's not encouraged to think too much about it.
crude notch
hahahahaha i love that part of the guide has a note to "face enemies"
Yeah, you'd be surprised by the number of people that forget that lol.
edgy viper
So i tested on some target dumbies, the updated spec you guys gave me has 100% uptime on shield block
vivid orchid
yes wait for it to time out before opening
edgy viper
Are there any good WA i should be using for warrior?
ebon python
I love the full on fist fight in this channel, having only read the dps ones till now, great entertainment at 7 in the morning
edgy viper
Once i get the tanking side of this class figured out, how hard is the DPS side?
pallid quiver
The DPS side is the tanking side
Doing your damage rotation is what gives you your survival
edgy viper
i was mainly looking at Arms for mage tower at some point.
edgy viper
Oh, yeah sorry.
The original plan was to go arms, but tank Qs got me into groups a lot faster
pallid quiver
Uh, Fury's probably easier overall, but requires you to press buttons faster, Arms can burst slightly harder iirc and involves more management? I only loosely touch the DPS specs give me a 2H game god damn you but they're definitely harder in a base rotation sense to perform with in comparison to Prot
I'm not sure if this still holds following 10.1 and other changes since I don't DPS often, so you'd probably want to check in with their specific channels
edgy viper
in truth i could probably eventually get the armor as Prot. But the arms challenge is one of the 2 fights i need for the mount
crude notch
I love the full on fist fight in this channel, having only read the dps ones til...
overdramatization much?
ebon python
Hyperbole
edgy viper
ty for help guys and goals i gotta run
crude notch
good luck in your ventures!
sonic moon
Does battle scarred veteran apply the 80% DR retroactively
If I take a massive hit from full HP, like if it were to one shot me would it bring me to 30 then 80% DR the last bit of it
pallid quiver
iirc it does not, but it also procs on damage pre mitigation, so if you'd drop below the threshold before accounting for armor, blocking, IP, Shield Wall, etc...
it'll proc
This makes it effectively useless unless you intentionally force proc it like 3 minutes before you need it so that it'll proc the instant you do need it
vivid orchid
its literally procced at 100% hp because of that
unkempt hatch
That macro with IP and SS together is working amazingly
Spend rage, use SS proc in one button.
Then use the new rage for either Revenge or more IP. Is lit
How are we dealing with dot on the last baddie for the raid this tier? Does SR (the Dr portion) plus IP seem like it’s enough mitigation for it?
Normal/heroic that is. I don’t do mythic 🙈
sonic moon
I was just thinking about taking it for heroic prog until I get used to the fights a little more since I raid lead. Basically use it like training wheels.
Battle scarred veteran, that is.
pallid quiver
Unfortunately, it's only useful on content you're very used to
And have planned out to the very minute
sonic moon
So it's not a good backup in case I forget to press something.
pallid quiver
No, since it procs pre-mitigation
pallid quiver
You'll take an auto that hits you for like 20k HP or something
and it'll go off while you're at 98%
then it does nothing for the next 3 minutes, to where it will most likely do nothing
sonic moon
What a shit talent.
pallid quiver
It can be extremely powerful when you rig your pacing to specifically have it proc at the very given moment that you'd need it, but you need to plan the entire fight, your route, tank swaps, everything based around it
yeah it's absolutely dog water outside the above
sonic moon
Rather, it doesn't seem to perform as it reads it should.
pallid quiver
That would be because it's likely bugged to work the way it does
sonic moon
It reads like a mini version of purg
Which is what I'd hoped it did.
Thanks for the info.
unkempt hatch
Will they fix it ever? Feels bad as a new tank with not that much awareness to plan something like that 🙈
crude notch
🔮
No one can answer that one with certainty
Some bugs last an expansion some last 8 years (I'm looking at you old ironfur bug)
pallid quiver
Prot's design doesn't particularly work well alongside a cheat death, anyhow, since we generally just outright take the least damage as a whole
not that bsv is a cheat death anyway
unkempt hatch
That’s fair. Never hurts to have a cheat death 🙈
Jk, I ran a target dummy and that’s closer to where I’ve been sitting ST
frosty sapphire
If you're getting anywhere close to dying you're doing it wrong
sonic moon
Yes.
But a talent that prevents a wipe or a useless battle res during prog while you're learning is worth discussing.
unkempt hatch
Im sitting at 401 ilvl. Need to get some more gear before Friday 🙈😅
sonic moon
Farm the whelping crests and find a blacksmith
You can get a full 408 set crafted.
For basically free.
And you can do that right now. Don't have to wait.
sonic moon
Enchanters convert the whelping crests into the equivalent of titan matrixes
Well like you don't need to use your sparks is what I'm saying
You can just get a crafted set without sparks with targeted bis stats
static aspen
Is new raid provides us with any item than does fire damage for belt?
unkempt hatch
I have the leftover old sparks. It was letting my craft with the primal focus I had leftover
static aspen
Or m+
undone verge
Is new raid provides us with any item than does fire damage for belt?
belt doesnt proc off fire dmg
static aspen
It was in s1, was it changed?
sonic moon
Well yeah ideally you spend your sparks on your bis crafted gear. Then use your whelping crests to replace everything that isn't at least 408.
undone verge
youre thinking of the eranog ring
unkempt hatch
Is new raid provides us with any item than does fire damage for belt?
Belt was the fire damage proc. For the rings.
undone verge
which was proced by the belt
static aspen
Isnt the weapon from m+ we want does it fire dmg?
unkempt hatch
I forgot that LFR opens up Tuesday. So that wouldn’t be bad to run before raid time. 🙈🤷🏻♂️
unkempt hatch
Isnt the weapon from m+ we want does it fire dmg?
No interaction tho, nothing this tier procs off of fire damage.
sonic moon
Ya. LFR/crafting your full 408 set will be the quickest way to gear unless you start grinding keys rn.
unkempt hatch
I am only held back by a few pieces rn
undone verge
Is there any ring similar items for belt to shine more?
ring is still bis
unkempt hatch
I am still deciding if I want to race change my warrior or live as a Belf
Did we discover if we can put the shadow flame patch on shields for sure or nah?
vivid orchid
shields are yes
vivid orchid
double patch is better atm
unkempt hatch
Oh shoot
vivid orchid
if you have a belt already thats not a problem
vivid orchid
double patch also seems a bit more strong than it should
unkempt hatch
As it’s an upgrade of almost 20ilvls from what I have on
Shield and bracer for patches?
unkempt hatch
We don’t have access to the patch yet, correct?
unkempt hatch
The pattern comes from raid right?
Worth upgrading my shield to 424 with new spark?
vivid orchid
well lets just say you could potentially have a 447 shield as early as tuesday if you do
unkempt hatch
Also, what’s up with the VDH damage buffs. They’re going to be stupid in raid with 4 set
plush tendon
Only time will tell
I wouldn’t be surprised if VDH and Brew are the RWF tanks for this tier
My understanding is, both havoc and WA seem lackluster
But we’ll find out next week
plush tendon
I am still deciding if I want to race change my warrior or live as a Belf
Belf is cool; my dk is belf, warrior is dwarf, and paladin is dark iron dwarf
unkempt hatch
Belf is cool; my dk is belf, warrior is dwarf, and paladin is dark iron dwarf
My Dk is Belf too. I don’t care for dwarves they’re too short. 🙈😂
Warrior dk and Pally are all Belf
Monk is orc, and my druid is HM
Vdh is also Belf obv 🙈
plush tendon
Dwarf is a acquired taste tbf: if ya asked me 3 years ago if I would play dwarf, it would’ve been a flat out no
jagged pier
I still want to play human female but dwarf just too strong
espically with bracken hollow coming up
unkempt hatch
I consider nelf, but I’ll probably just keep belf. I have the toy to change it up when I feel like it
plush tendon
A good way to know is to just level a new warrior as a race you were somewhat interested in playing
Give it a couple of hours and if you vibing, then you found a winner
I just leveled a dark iron to 50 today for the heritage set
Can’t tell me this ain’t siq
unkempt hatch
Def an acquired taste, the facial hair is just not for me
It’s not bad, but idk if it’s for me
plush tendon
For sure; and it’s 100% more important to play something you like the look of rather then what is numbers better
Unless you are in a world first level situation
edgy locust
Is warrior still good for nx patch
vivid orchid
yes
edgy locust
Is pala better or war
urban portal
pal
austere sleet
pala has some clear advantages, but to the majority of players, those advantages won't make a difference. Just play what you enjoy honestly
vivid orchid
changes nothing for me
edgy locust
Idk pala feels nicer but i feel like im doing more dmg with warrior
pallid quiver
with this posting, mooo's alibi is complete
no one will ever suspect that the names being taken was all part of his massive bot army ploy to assail the users of discord
mortal brook
Can’t tell me this ain’t siq
🦆
shell mortar
For sure; and it’s 100% more important to play something you like the look of ra...
What if I like the look of big numbers 
mortal brook
there's addons for making scrolling combat text larger
also to make Owen Wilson say 'wow' when you crit big
mortal brook
What if I like the look of big numbers <:ratge:890357732543168594>
hope this helps
cosmic chasm
What are people planning on crafting with the first spark? And do we have any idea as to which embellishments to go for this season?
warm plinth
Really depends. What shit do you get first week, how expensive is the shadowflame patch, etc.
Eventually we want double shadow patch or shadow patch + frostfire belt (which is like a 200 DPS difference)
amber gate
did they change or buff prot 4set ?
warm plinth
It was buffed a couple of weeks ago, if you mean the new one
long bone
Pros and cons of macroing Shield Block into Shield Slam?
shell mortar
hope this helps
It does, thank you, sir
jagged pier
Pros and cons of macroing Shield Block into Shield Slam?
There no pro to it,
Its an extremely bad thing to do. U should only be usig SB when u need it and as u press SS so frequently your going to be using SB when its not needed and wasting shield block. For when u need it. So dont do
It
We do have sb out our ass but that still doesnt mean u just marco it to something and forget. U need to know when and how to use SB
Because 1 tuning patch and our SB goes from 90-100% to 50
And because youve macrod it youll be wasting it when its needed
Things u should be thinking about when using SB am I actually being hit? Is the boss/mob casting? Will i need to run out soon? Is combat over soon? Etc etc
sonic moon
Shield block = more dam full send call for sac if you're caught with your pants down zug only
Pin this pls ty.
surreal kindle
What do you guys think about protection warrior atm? I main pala mostly but I genuinely like warrior as well, however it feels so hard to properly pull off on bigger pulls atm.
surreal kindle
it usually gets easier on bigger pulls
I think I mean the initial momentum of the pull, if shield wall doesn't have you covered while you sort of steady things
you drop so painfully fast
Any advice in that regard?
amber siren
sounds like you're not getting SB/getting hit in the back
strong forum
positioning is key as pwar
you cant just be yolo like other tanks
and ignore where youre facing
if youre dropping fast its cuz youre getting hit in the back/dont have SB up or you pull 400 casters and dont use any CC
sick sentinel
VISUALLY PUTS SHIELD ON BACK AFTER COMBAT
also blizzard, no you cant block from back
i would imagine that it being on your back and you get ambushed from back would be one of times shield is MOST effective
shield job more to do with deflect shit away than out right prevcnt the dmg, shield would become very broken if you had ogre clubs bashing it in all keystone
main wing
anyone know if you get crit hit with you back turned to adds my off tank reckons you dont
sick sentinel
im not 100% positive, and my gut isntinct is you don't get crit from melees from behind any more.
but he is correct that you do die and wipe group faster like that
its a time save when everyone but you dies on the boss at 90%
but, usually, standing in the obvious fire or obvious tank killer is the best move
main wing
thank you for that absolute waste of a read
latent jungle
Does sitting still get you crit? Back in the days it use to
sick sentinel
maybe its sitting that gets you crit
but, like, waste of read, in what possible scenario would you want to get a crit melee strike from behind, and its a good thing.
So, you'd never put your self in that position willingly anyway is my point
latent jungle
Idd Only ever do it to wipe faster to reset
main wing
you cant get crit in retail pve wow
cheers
sick sentinel
i seem to recall our tank getting 1 shot by some boss (probably xt) in (2008 or whatever) wrath cuz he didnt have .. 540 i think is the number there, defence
fresh igloo
Yeah there used to be a lot more math/caps to worry about as a tank for crushing blows and crits, but that's all gone now.
strong forum
cuz it doesnt add anything to the game besides "yeah sorry i cant tank cuz i havent met arbitrary number X"
midnight vault
I do not miss the hit table at all and needing enough block to push off crushing blows.
pallid quiver
Game's moved way past gearing and statting ideas like that.
Things like that are only engaging if there isn't a hard ass requirement on doing content on building up a specific stat and if efficiency isn't a key goal of the playerbase
daring marlin
also to make Owen Wilson say 'wow' when you crit big
wow!
dusky canopy
Hmmmm do I spec maces as a preference or do i spec swords since thats what most people like
strong forum
If you want to make money, sword
dusky canopy
yeah i opted to just do mace and shield for all my points
I realistically wont sit in trade chat trying to make gold with it lol
and I like mace shield so cheers
hazy bronze
Hammer make good clonk
dusky canopy
scarlet mesa
Bonk
noble lynx
is the drogbar fisting trinket set good as prot? 🤔
hardy snow
rare bluff
Shame i sold this trinket by misstake
silver jungle
item restoration is a thing 😉
sinful copper
Even in 23+ keys, do you baseline battle stance until you anticipate big damage? Which pulls are an example of one you'd switch mid-pull? Or do u swap to defensive before?
lime urchin
see D-stance as a defensive cooldown
you have to get your own feeling on when you need it
its all about practise amigo
sinful copper
It's a bit min-maxy though right? Because our DPS on avg in a dungeon is 60-70k (outside of AA) and stance swapping is what % diff?
5% DPS?
fresh igloo
d-stance reduces all damage dealt by 10%
strong forum
is the drogbar fisting trinket set good as prot? 🤔
is ~1.5k dps upgrade over 415whetstone+421icon(with all buffs) in ST
so as jawor said, good entry trinket for s2
toxic pewter
can it even compare aoe wise though
toxic pewter
it does have a lot of nice crit on it
noble lynx
is ~1.5k dps upgrade over 415whetstone+421icon(with all buffs) in ST
tyy
have rumbling and a boon so
better replacement then
gloomy vortex
I have first spark for season 2, do we have any suggested crafts yet?
strong forum
I have first spark for season 2, do we have any suggested crafts yet?
if you wanna play the long game, wait for your 2nd spark
noble lynx
whetstone caps out at 5 right
strong forum
yea
noble lynx
so makes sense
sinful copper
d-stance reduces all damage dealt by 10%
yeah i know but youre not staying battle stance the full dungeon so its maybe 7% dps increase right? but the tactic of staying baseline battle stance until you anticipate big incoming dmg is something still done at 23+ keys right? and still at 25+ keys?
strong forum
the rule always applies sorbitol, stay in b-stance as long as youre comfortable
toxic pewter
nice
strong forum
if you switch only for a few seconds, its basically non-existant
if you sit in d-stance its minimum 11% dmg loss
sinful copper
got it. just wasnt sure if at 25+ keys the dmg from just a normal pack is high enough that you always stay defensive
sinful copper
thx!
strong forum
there is no blanket answer
some teams laugh their way through 25s
and some struggle hard
all comes down to you and your group
pallid quiver
It also depends on what resources your comp has, too
gloomy vortex
if you wanna play the long game, wait for your 2nd spark
Why wait?
strong forum
cuz vault and raid drops
pallid quiver
If your team has a larger amount of externals to blow, you don't need to use d stance as much
strong forum
you dont wanna craft a 447 shield and then get a 447 shield from vault
sinful copper
makes sense
strong forum
then you bite yourself in the ass
early season especially the vault is giga volatile
THAT BEING SAID
shield is your safest bet
because if you craft shield, you can loot as fury to avoid the god awful m+ tank trinkets that exist this season
and there are like 4 of them in m+ this time around
absolutely useless "defensive" trinkets
gloomy vortex
What m+/raid would give a 447 from vault/
dusty monolith
@strong forum ty for the tl;dr pinned talents. am I griefing by going HR instead of ITF? I'm quite new and with ITF my SB dropped to 70%ish uptime, which ofc is to low
strong forum
mythic raid and +20 key
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> ty for the tl;dr pinned talents. am I griefing by going HR...
*once new 2pc is acquired
youre not griefing by playing HR
gloomy vortex
Ok think I will go for shield then because I got nothing season 1 for shield
strong forum
HR allows for easy SB uptime, if youre not that well versed with prot its way better to play
especially on bosses
dusty monolith
ty!
strong forum
id not recommend anybody to play ITF unless they have a) T30 2pc
and b) are comfortable and play prot well to the degree that they have LS down to ~60sec CD
gloomy vortex
T30?
strong forum
s2 tierset
gloomy vortex
I have seen t29 thrown around also
strong forum
t29 is S1
white plover
when we acquire 4set we just spam shield slam even in aoe after last stand?
sinful copper
the IP/SS macro - if SS is off cd, does it cast both in the same key press and gcd?
strong forum
when we acquire 4set we just spam shield slam even in aoe after last stand?
you should use SS in aoe anyway
the only time to not use SS is when its a big fucking pull, like proper big
errant oriole
what is the ip/ss macro?
strong forum
its explained in pins
white plover
i mean fishing procs with revenge and completly ingore thuderclap,is it even worth?
strong forum
huh
says who
who says youre ignoring anything
all im saying is, you dont ignore SS
you use TC on CD, SS in prio targets (cuz they kinda have to die) and then revenge here and there
white plover
is there a target cap when i am suppose to completly ignore thudenclap when i have the 4 ste buff?
strong forum
no
you just always prio SS
SS > TC > revenge
one doesnt replace the other
thats what the CDs are for
fresh igloo
how big of a pull does it have to be before you stop prioritizing shield slam? i seem to not use revenge much, myself, though I might be overcasting IP to burn rage.
strong forum
idk like 8/9?
and then depends on mob type
if there are big prio targets
you dont stop SSing
fresh igloo
noted
strong forum
the most important type of dmg a tank does is ST and prio dmg in m+
not aoe pad
ST is what times keys
fresh igloo
yeah I'm usually focusing on prio targets to maintain threat and the rest is just aoe enough to make sure cleave doesn't strip aggro
strong forum
obv if you bring disgustingly large aoe dmg, like VDH will bring in s2
then you bring that cuz it cuts down the timer
but generally bosses is where its at
white plover
so we just macro avatar with last stand (i guess?) and do exactly the same rot as before?
strong forum
rotationally nothing changes yeah
white plover
in m+
strong forum
except you just use LS literally on CD
when previously you only kinda used it on CD
white plover
do i keep shield charge for 4 set if i play ram?
strong forum
que?
white plover
which i do pretty much in every scenario
white plover
can 4set crit?
strong forum
yes
white plover
its affected by the bug?
white plover
so i am better of holding shield charge for the 4set window i guess
gloomy vortex
I was watching some videos for the new raid bosses, few of them do a lot of physical damage. Does that mean we can block it?
jagged pier
I was watching some videos for the new raid bosses, few of them do a lot of phys...
some of it
strong forum
this might look intimidating but keep in mind that most dmg taken on bosses comes only from melee attacks and tankbusters
strong forum
brew/bdk/pally/pwar
anything goes
hell even VDH is looking good
bdk as per usual is godtier prog tank
scarlet mesa
do we usually hate vdh
strong forum
brew cuz buff
VDH doesnt bring anything to the raid besides their debuff, but for that u usually have havoc
and VDH dmg is also often lackluster
but now they will be really strong on cleave/aoe fights
scarlet mesa
youd think vdh would be more desirable than a blood dk lol
dk is kind of a struggle bus
strong forum
bdk is bdk
pally is pally, good dmg, good mitigation
pwar is solid all around, good dmg, rally, bshout
brew cuz most want the buff
BDK is disgusting for raiding
scarlet mesa
nobody wants dps dk frfr
strong forum
if you want a tank that is playing soloQ and who will be fine? thats bdk
scarlet mesa
yeah but dk doesnt really bring anything besides grip
scarlet mesa
i guess its more useful on a tank than a dps
jagged pier
also AMS so most debuffs just do nothing
AMZ
great magic DR for party
and some raid
ppl
scarlet mesa
i main unholy for the record
errant oriole
dont forget the bears! :P:P
scarlet mesa
ive been declined from so much shit on the dk
but on my paladin suddenly im the most appealing thing ever
:U
jagged pier
welcome to being the meta tank
scarlet mesa
bleh
errant oriole
I feel like paladins shouldnt have as much mitigation consider they have so much utility idk maybe im dumb
scarlet mesa
They shouldn't
lime urchin
I levelled and geared a protection palading just to press divine toll on last boss nokud 🙂
timber terrace
i think most top guilds will pick 2 beetween brew prot pala and dk, prot warrior will be fine but they don't bring much to the table especially when dps warrior are looking good
toxic pewter
yeah as far as I can tell prot pally has like zero weaknesses these days
kind want blizz to go back to every tank having clear strengths and weaknesses vs everyone just being godlike
timber terrace
i don't think prot pala qualifies as godlike in raids especially after the nerf
toxic pewter
also I still dont understand why its ok for dk to be immortal, been trying to understand why that is OK for years now
strong forum
yeah but dk doesnt really bring anything besides grip
grip is useless when its not good, but when grip is good its overpowered
and BDK is just unmovable in raid, very consistent, doesnt need to be played around
no risk
timber terrace
i think this is the tier where brew gets out of line tbh, with more agility the stagger will start to reach high levels, they buffed celestial fortune for some reason on top of buffing gift of the ox and they get access to insane trinkets and a special weapon
strong forum
bdk has no weakness whatsoever
scarlet mesa
Movement speed
sinful copper
just have evoker carry you around
timber terrace
not being able to do anything when you can't hit something is a big weakness but it doesn't happen that often
toxic pewter
dont they have wraithwalk or whatever on decently low cooldown, also they cant be lowered below 70% movement speed
toxic pewter
i see
scarlet mesa
At least in m+
timber terrace
like when you had to destack your debuff on mythic sylv or when you're dodging a breath on raszageth and the big add is nuking you you're kinda defenseless
bdk was just really tailored for voti both ams and death advance destroy half the mechanics in the raid
timber terrace
bdk feels sluggish since they introduced bone shield stacks it's just boring to play around
it felt way better when death strike cost runes
scarlet mesa
I feel like my stacks never decrease? So i just kind feel weird playing it
I'd rather dps on dk since that's just what i know better
timber terrace
the peak was wod dk with breath it's never been really interesting after that, sotfo tier set was nice but that's about it
daring marlin
scarlet mesa
I play unholy, frost is lame
timber terrace
blood dk had breath in wod
so did uh
they just made it frost only for "class fantasy" with legion
potent gulch
the peak was wod dk with breath it's never been really interesting after that, s...
Multistrike and top dps meters
ionic roost
bdk has no weakness whatsoever
Soaking mines in Zskarn
strong forum
im not familiar with specific bossfights
but generally speaking bdk isnt weak to any dmg profiles
but i guess soaking a mechanic without being able to DS
counts as a weakness
timber terrace
prot warrior will also be really weak at that tbh
ionic roost
but generally speaking bdk isnt weak to any dmg profiles
Large physical hit with a physical dot and they can spawn 30 yards from the boss and the non tanking boss tank at the time ideally clears them
During testing we had double blood DK, so we had 3 hunters and cycle turtles and getting bops to do it
strong forum
mh
i wonder if its blockable
not blockable
cringe
so yeah pwar will also just wave bye bye
unless you can power through with CDs and leap/charge back to boss
and you then being able to sustain against the dot
ionic roost
Tonight is my big prep day, but I'll be on monk this tier again, but I did all testing in hunter cause I was a leech
Go through all my logs and double check some stuff, I know a couple bosses have had some journal changes since testing
timber terrace
i'd play brew if my cotank wasn't brew this tier it's looking really good
ionic roost
Ya I'm a monk "main" mostly cause it was meta for so long
strong forum
reloe said hes playing FB build for 6/9 bosses
ionic roost
But I play Monk/warrior/DK for the most part
strong forum
cant dodge alot apparently
ionic roost
And I can pinch play DH and Paladin
sleek current
Imagine not playing Warrior. Nightmare fuel.
ionic roost
timber terrace
i'm a monk main too i guess but i can play any tank it's not that big of a deal to swap beetween them
ionic roost
I can only sacrifice so many brain cells per expansion
timber terrace
warrior was fun but it's too limited can get frustrating
ionic roost
i'm a monk main too i guess but i can play any tank it's not that big of a deal ...
Yea I just haven't experienced enough on tanks that have been out of raid meta for so long
sleek current
I've basically played nothing else except Warrior since Legion. Through the ups and downs. 🤷
limber flame
got prot war, prot pally, vdh, brew all ready for tuesday
sleek current
Nope. 😂
ionic roost
In raid sure
strong forum
hasn't been many ups for warriors since then
has been more Up than down
was only "down" in 9.0
other than that it was pretty good, especially from 9.2 onwards it was owning
sleek current
I think Warrior is pretty consistent generally, except when we are on top no one wants us there.
strong forum
the only true down we had was pre-reprisal and the asinine community perception/takes
icy yarrow
reprisal, the cursed word
timber terrace
idk it was literally the last tank i'd consider in shadowlands , in bfa it was ok for a few tiers and meta once in M+ but pretty unexisting outside of that
strong forum
if our surv wasnt tied to it, it wouldve been great
strong forum
idk it was literally the last tank i'd consider in shadowlands , in bfa it was o...
s3 and s4 we were the 2nd best tank
just 20x harder than others
s2 was really balanced in SL
nobody was really standing out except bear being very easy to play and UFR being generally pretty neat
sleek current
BDK felt like it stood out pretty hard through S3 and S4 of SL. Stomping around with 100% Parry uptime.
timber terrace
it just felt out of place when other specs had so much utility and cool stuff and prot warrior is straight out of wotlk, at least df brought some new shit
strong forum
bear brew and vdh really didnt have much more utility
sleek current
bdk was the most broken tank in wow existance
Yeah. 😂
sleek current
it just felt out of place when other specs had so much utility and cool stuff an...
I'm still saying Warrior should get a bloodlust.
strong forum
people love throwing "utility" around when they just mean strong
anytime something is good they huff copium and blame it on utility
and not just flat out numbers
sleek current
To be fair. Last boss of Nokhud was absolute dogger if you pugged it as a Prot Warrior.
I got KSH and ditched. Felt like I was putting in 200% for every dungeon +16 and upwards.
strong forum
nokhud?
sleek current
Nokhud Offensive
strong forum
yeah but i dont get what you mean
sleek current
Grouping the 4 mobs together to AoE them down while getting slammed by AoE.
timber terrace
i'm not even talking about balance i'm just saying prot warrior is that weird out of place spec that just has really basic abilities, you can't immune shit, you can't cheese anything (apart from a few reflects), you can't do anything really disruptive
strong forum
intim shout shockwave stormbolt?
timber terrace
well it was more the case before df now you got spell block and aoe interrupts
that's really basic ccs that's not something that makes it special
strong forum
yeah so what makes brew special
or bear/vdh
vdh has sigil of silence once in a blue moon
but 0 stuns
bear incap roar or a stun/knockback (in SL)
timber terrace
rop/tp, zen med, stagger in general, insane selfhealing
sleek current
Yes but, you can only intimidate one side. If your pug decide to absolutely slam the same side you shout, by the time you go other to the other side they've ripped your aggro while you're trying to pick up aggro on the other two mobs with your stuns.
Even worse when your pug tries to help you and causes DR on the mobs.
strong forum
how does stagger and selfhealing qualify as utility
ionic roost
Grouping the 4 mobs together to AoE them down while getting slammed by AoE.
Disrupting shout if you're super concerned
limber flame
i mean being able to shield reflect every thunder strike and wind burst feels pretty good 🙂
timber terrace
i'm not talking about utility i'm talking about your char feeling like something else than a basic brick
strong forum
right
sleek current
Disrupting shout if you're super concerned
I'm not, like I said. I got my KSH and stopped running mythic for season 1. 🙂
strong forum
idk i felt pretty self reliant in SL
ionic roost
Idk warrior was freelo in Nokhud
ionic roost
You just did like 50m free damage with spell reflect
strong forum
half of that is fake*
usually in 26/27 it was closer to 10-15mil
cuz reflecting the squall spawns around the totem packs at storm ele, would somehow count as a 3mil reflect
when it didnt do anything
those things would inflate reflect details breakdown by magnitudes
sleek current
You just did like 50m free damage with spell reflect
The entire dungeon was face roll. Grouping the last adds together and having your pug reliably nuke them was the issue alongside a healer that may or may not be aware of the mass amounts of damage that's going to come out if you don't kill those adds fast. I just struggled with it, where with my BDK I just pressed one button and stood on top of the boss.
When I went with guildies it was a different experience, entirely because when I asked for no one to CC them and just interrupt, that's what I got. 😂
ionic roost
when it didnt do anything
It would one shot the surge minion
strong forum
yeah but thats still kinda fake value
whats the exact name
im tryna see if the mobs actually do anything
sleek current
Me or Ruck?
strong forum
ruck