they do a comparison
#protection
cerulean tusk
He gets it
warm plinth
Exactly. Or describe the spec's weaknesses. I assume anyone trying to pick a tank is going to read all of the tank articles anyway. So they'll see that bear doesn't have this but brew does, or paladin has this but pwar doesn't.
crude notch
They do that
edgy venture
austere sleet
this being the header of a section dedicated to ways prot pala is better, is a simple comparison?
crude notch
Clearly you're not reading
THe section isn't just
Because paladin is stronger
there's other parts to the damn article
warm plinth
You are getting so upset about this for literally no reason.
warm plinth
We obviously have our own opinions on the article, which is not against the rules.
cerulean tusk
Sorry Karren
crude notch
yes but you're suggesting that they didn't write weaknesses
warm plinth
No, no I'm not.
austere sleet
I am saying the Paladin is OP sections are overwritten and come across as an unnecessary rant. That the articles without them are perfectly fine
warm plinth
I'm saying that they should describe the spec's weaknesses, not say other tanks are stronger
Why is the other tanks are stronger part a necessity
crude notch
Because people that are reading that actually take those articles serious are reading them because they're trying to decide what they should play
warm plinth
I am saying the Paladin is OP sections are overwritten and come across as an unn...
Exactly how I feel about it
crude notch
And if you don't think being weaker than the strongest spec doesn't have an impact in pugs
you clearly haven't played a poor performing spec
austere sleet
as a Guardian druid main, I can assure you thats wrong
crude notch
Then stop acting like it
warm plinth
We aren't lol
austere sleet
you need to stop assuming other people intentions
cerulean tusk
Jordan attacking some self-made strawmen in the shadows now
warm plinth
No one is saying one thing or another about how pugs will perform with tank A vs tank B Jordan. We're literally talking about the articles' contents.
crude notch
Who just assumed my intentions
crude notch
Jordan attacking some self-made strawmen in the shadows now
???
austere sleet
warm plinth
You are though
austere sleet
jordan hitting me with a uno reverse on something that doesn't make sense at all
warm plinth
You're making up shit that we are supposedly talking about. But we are literally just talking about the contents of the articles and that we feel they went overboard on the "Pallies are OP" spiel
austere sleet
https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-upset-bugsbunny-bunny-gif-12937740
its okay, I got other classes at 70 too
crude notch
jordan hitting me with a uno reverse on something that doesn't make sense at all
Bro did you just say what you said didn't make sense?
warm plinth
I clarified what I meant afterward.
austere sleet
you've gotta be a troll
warm plinth
or does that part of the conversation not count
cerulean tusk
We just think the rant could have been one sentence. That is basically it.
crude notch
i did make it one sentence
austere sleet
...
foggy wigeon
I mean the point they are trying to make is that you probably dont need 5 paragraph section just dedicated to comparing yourself to the best not that the section and mentioning it isnt helpfull
austere sleet
what
warm plinth
Again, talking about the articles, not you Jordan 🤦♂️
crude notch
wait
hold on
NotSean
used a picture
of the rant being one sentence as a bad thing
lmao
cerulean tusk
Jordan, you are unhinged atm. Take a breather mate
austere sleet
are you not reading what we're saying?
warm plinth
Battle Shout duh
crude notch
every one of the guide writers compared
lime urchin
If we could read we would be in palading discord. Noobs with their books.
austere sleet
lol, I literally said that it's the header of the section bashing paladins
lime urchin
We thunderclap here sir
cerulean tusk
You are attacking self-made strawmen, just chill. Take a step back and regroup.
crude notch
and you guys want comparisons or don't want comparisons make up your mind
jagged pier
actually we wouldnt because we didnt complain about needing buffs even tho we are the strong tank by far
cerulean tusk
Read what we wroty
jagged pier
oh and calling for warrior nerfs
crude notch
Read what we wroty
stop contradicting yourselves
cerulean tusk
We are not
austere sleet
we haven't
crude notch
you obviously win an argument when you flip flop the whole time
austere sleet
not a single time
warm plinth
It's kinda weird that several people probably have slightly varying opinions on the same subject, isn't it?
cerulean tusk
I know right
warm plinth
You're not arguing with a mob or something. There are multiple people taking individual parts in this discussion.
Naturally some of us will have some differences in our opinions.
foggy wigeon
oh and calling for warrior nerfs
ye but yk we have class Jakey 
austere sleet
We are a collective now, one mind, and he has to cahnge that
crude notch
I don't see anything wrong with comparing yourselves to the top tank when trying to enlighten people
cerulean tusk
One of us
warm plinth
So why can't you just say that and leave it that way instead of arguing with us when we're just sharing our opinion as well
cerulean tusk
Sure, we agree. I just wanted to not have the rants and bad writing
austere sleet
comparing? fine. entire sections harping on about the "top" tank, not cool. there. happy now
warm plinth
This whole thing didn't even have to take place. I think this, you think that. The end.
crude notch
comparing? fine. entire sections harping on about the "top" tank, not cool. ther...
It is comparing.
mandl literally goes point by point comparing
foggy wigeon
Tbh this convo feels like that one time i went to Moonglade for bear tips
austere sleet
Tbh this convo feels like that one time i went to Moonglade for bear tips
uh oh
cerulean tusk
To be fair, the impression I sat with was it was more a article about prot pally, than the actual spec in question. I don't care about prot pally, when I am not here for prot pally info.
cerulean tusk
Warr was esp bad, gdruid had some, BDK again dame rant part.
It is an overall thing
austere sleet
BDK, half the article is prot pala
crude notch
I will admit that the BDK one is the worst one
But like Warrior was way more about Warrior than Paladin
cerulean tusk
Should be 0.1% pally max, i don't care about pally when the theme is warrior
Pally can talk pallyshit in paly article 
crude notch
It's just silly to not account for other tanks in a why you shouldn't play something.
Because normally when saying why you shouldn't play something, that implies you're gonna play something else.
cerulean tusk
Ya can mention it, but no need to rant or go into details. Refer them to pally instead, move on to actual spec related info
crude notch
But Mandl does that
austere sleet
my issue I take with some of the articles is that fact that all they compare to is pally which makes it come off as a rant about pally. like I said, warriors article never mention not having grips or ams, blood dk doesn't talk about rally. The only article so far that's mentioned multiple of the other specs is gdruid
crude notch
You must've missed Pump's mid-season article about state of guardian when all he talked about was PWar
By your guy's definition of "all they talked about"
austere sleet
No, just we're discussing these articles
We can go back and look at peoples articles from shadowlands too if that would be helpful to the discussion?
to quote a great scholar "thats constructive good job" - Jordan about 20 minutes ago
crude notch
Anything for you chief
marble cipher
Jesus guys, discussing things on the internet shouldn't be this hard.....
crude notch
Cringelords defending Paladins, it's all good.
austere sleet
wait this aint youtube comments?
crude notch
We all good in the hood
marble cipher
you clearly werent on average reddit thread mate
waaait, isn't reddit only for xxx pictures?? 😛
crude notch
Don't speak ill of the pallies leave that up to the Paladin writer.
ionic fern
Pallys suck.
austere sleet
agreed, boring af spec
crude notch
You're slick.
ionic fern
I am.
austere sleet
divine toll bell noise is crisp, but the gameplay, rotation etc is just boring
foggy wigeon
ralllied behind Pally slander, im here for it lmao 😄
crude notch
Yeah the Divine Toll sound is annoying to me. lol
austere sleet
how else am I gonna hear my bear growl?
crude notch
Nothing beats a crisp thunderclap
foggy wigeon
U mean the all 3 Bear Growl Sounds that are in the game ? 😄
austere sleet
don't forget the new animations they added for us...that aren't even applied to all the correct spells
crude notch
ionic fern
Did they nerf bear dps?
foggy wigeon
Its theraputic , I play bear for a day and dont even wanna go outside anymore 
crude notch
The sims were making Thorns stronger than it is
austere sleet
no, ToI just not top DPS build for them once you get the new set
ionic fern
I gotta go hit up the gdruid discord with a "Hello, i'm new to bear, can you please give me a solid, offensive guardian druid m+ build?"
crude notch
Speed run that "check pins"
cerulean tusk
Bear pumps on live though, esp on uncapped AoE. I am confused 
errant leaf
Speed run that "check pins"
Lol
crude notch
It's still the best dps among tanks
austere sleet
ToI is still top until the new set pieces come in
ionic fern
I CHECKED THE PINS.
They have "Potential builds".
Idk what is good.
Do i want incarn?
No incarn?
What.
I just wanna go in.
And slap.
austere sleet
NoCarn chad
austere sleet
it is, and you deal less damage (significantly less if you don't take it) but you're a bit tankier outside of incarn
crude notch
Bear finally gets their Anger Management and they advertise nocarn -_-
cerulean tusk
I don't take incarn on nah bear, i go Galactic trash bear
ionic fern
it is, and you deal less damage (significantly less if you don't take it) but yo...
Okay, so..i want INcarn, got it.
God damn dead discord.
Already 4m and no answers.
austere sleet
for sure, and then bind Ironfur to your mousewheel, pull tonnes of trash and spam that wheel while mashing thrash and mangle
shell mortar
I don't take incarn on nah bear, i go Galactic trash bear
Galactic trash, a new tier of trash that accurately describes bear
Love it
pallid quiver
I want to see someone just got absolutely nuts on Mwahi for not checking pins there
even though he checked pins
it'd be hilarious
cerulean tusk
austere sleet
oh no all the warriors showing up in bear discord now
limpid anchor
Hello, can someone give me a solid offensive prot war build? The pins are too confusing
ionic fern
Try this build:
isandhybs6123bSAHAD BAGSD7216enxszdoas+d"82
limpid anchor
Toxic discord
austere sleet
Hello, can someone give me a solid offensive prot war build? The pins are too co...
any assortment of talents as long as it includes barbaric training
ionic fern
Toxic discord
We recognize your feelings, but choose to ignore them.
jagged pier
maybe we should link the one i made for u on brood keeper mwahi
limpid anchor
Okay thanks
ionic fern
maybe we should link the one i made for u on brood keeper mwahi
PLZ NO.
It was legit horrid.
jagged pier
Toxic discord
that is how its supposed to be
foggy wigeon
There are discord servers that arent toxic ?
austere sleet
as toxic as this place is, so far it's got nothing on the havoc discord from my experience
ionic fern
https://tenor.com/view/how-about-yes-yes-sloth-yes-sloth-yes-sloth-gif-14104306
Still parsed 73 with it.
jagged pier
LUL
austere sleet
so now that we've argued over pointless topics and meme'd about how bad bear is, when do I get Stormforged?
jagged pier
crude notch
as toxic as this place is, so far it's got nothing on the havoc discord from my ...
common denominator
ionic fern
so now that we've argued over pointless topics and meme'd about how bad bear is,...
Bear is not bad.
bear is great.
pallid quiver
The real key to getting Stormforged is to happen to enable an accident for a... potential problematic entity to the discord
austere sleet
bear will be the best, once we get that rework 
ionic fern
Idk, i'm having a blast as a bear.
Screw you guys.
Going for those r1 parses cause no one plays bear.
Easy.
crude notch
gl beating pumps lol
shell mortar
What's a stomrforged
ionic fern
gl beating pumps lol
What? HAH, who do you think taught Pumps to play bear?
shell mortar
Ah, so a mod with extra steps
austere sleet
You'll be competing with all the bear one tricks, that play nothing but it
jagged pier
wheel decide has spoken DH is bis tank
ionic fern
You'll be competing with all the bear one tricks, that play nothing but it
So...exactly what i'm doing right now as Warrior?
austere sleet
and let me tell you, they've been working on their spam ironfur skills all season
runic hatch
Wheel Decide has spoken
shell mortar
And silence sigil very cool
jagged pier
well yes spreading brand to all targets is a bit broken yes
shell mortar
It is bonkers
austere sleet
DH set looks great, the lunchbox thing they're doing seems sooooo weird
shell mortar
Literally free 40% damage amp at all times
jagged pier
might actually lvl it now looks fun
shell mortar
It is
austere sleet
but...50% flightstone discount for alts
shell mortar
Graring's pretty free this patch. Got to 400 on my fresh BRM on like 4 hours
0 gold, just doing new zone
jagged pier
i stand with mwahi on this i have 9 418 craft things
i cant use on main
let me use them on alts
runic hatch
Btw, based on the stats you would want for Prot, what dps spec would you offspec?
shell mortar
Arms
jagged pier
prot dps
runic hatch
Prot dps was bonkers
austere sleet
whats it called in Classic? Gladiator Warr?
runic hatch
Was it back in Mop that it was better than most dps specs?
shell mortar
Was it back in Mop that it was better than most dps specs?
That's prot pala
runic hatch
Prot pala was stupid in ToT for sure
marble cipher
That was because of the Vengeance mechanic iirc @runic hatch
didn't play a lot back then, but that was the thing that gave tanks extra damage based on the damage they took or something wasn't it
jagged pier
that was any tank in MoP u just had to play vengance and u were top dps and top healing on some tanks
marble cipher
yeah, seem to remember that it was a bit .... broken
runic hatch
Can't remember but it was prot with the gladiator stance, so non-tanking prot iirc
shell mortar
Imagine M+ with vengeance back in the game 
marble cipher
yes please 😄
shell mortar
Can't remember but it was prot with the gladiator stance, so non-tanking prot ii...
WoD
cinder nova
that was any tank in MoP u just had to play vengance and u were top dps and top ...
We want to make the buckler, yeah?
split remnant
Blood dk looks broken with the new tier set
Sadly i am perma banned from dk subreddit so I cant discuss it with them
crude notch
Random Vamp Blood procs really isn't all that broken
cinder nova
split remnant
You think so? They are not random either right?
Doesnt it proc regularly and basically on command?
jagged pier
dont know its bdk we dont discuss that here
warm plinth
what's a bdk
cinder nova
Actual factual though, Jake - do we know if the shadowflame buckler is worth it?
cinder nova
Yeah.
jagged pier
its grabo
cinder nova
Proc isn't worth it?
jagged pier
no
crude notch
You think so? They are not random either right?
10% chance of proccing VB is random, yes.
cinder nova
no
Oh my god it's pound for pound worse than items of its ilvl
I never bothered simming it but it sims worse than my 421 assuming the same ilvl
jagged pier
as i said its garbo
cinder nova
I didn't think it was that bad, holy shit.
jagged pier
its only good for tmog
cinder nova
Imagine designing a proc that's a nerf
jagged pier
but crafting it is trolling
cinder nova
I wonder if they'll buff it.
jagged pier
doubt
cinder nova
So I can safely just dump my first spark on my UFFB without thinking?
jagged pier
well upgrading primal molten defender isnt a bad idea
cinder nova
I do have one of those... I worry it'll be a waste, though. Defender could get replaced with a lucky drop, UFFB wont be.
jagged pier
well not really u can get s 447 shield like week 1
cinder nova
can't*?
cinder nova
Don't you need Aspect crests?
jagged pier
u can get them next week
cinder nova
The only reason I'd think about doing shield early is to make raid prog and keys at the outset not so dastardly
But... doesn't it require I do those to GET the shield to that level anyway?
Feels like I'm putting the cart before the horse.
jagged pier
well kinda but a shield drop is mega rare
cinder nova
Does it just take one crest?
chilly brook
Does it just take one crest?
Should
jagged pier
i think its more
chilly brook
Well
jagged pier
i think its 3
jagged pier
and u need ot get them enchanted
chilly brook
1 spark
Something like 4 crests for an enchanted crest to upgrade
You can check the exact amount needed from the crafting order kiosks
jagged pier
i mean i would also recommend just holding sparks for a while the price of things will drop
and u get a better picture of what u actually need
chilly brook
Speaking of, I need to figure out what to do to keep gearing this week
Only like 401
cinder nova
Mythic and M+ are your options.
jagged pier
farm rares and stuff
cinder nova
You could also do the events in Zaralek
They drop stuff that can get upgraded to 411 with flightstones
chilly brook
They drop stuff that can get upgraded to 411 with flightstones
Anything past 398 requires the crests
Then again who knows maybe it’s worth it to use
jagged pier
yer but the weakest crests are easy to get
chilly brook
Got like 7 of both rn
sand drum
Griff o/ alll good 😄 ?
jagged pier
i have like 10 already
chilly brook
Griff o/ alll good 😄 ?
I’m just out of the loop
jagged pier
same
chilly brook
Taking an entire patch off and not coomsooming all info on this patch has me a bit behind the curve
chilly brook
10 is the cap this week ye?
jagged pier
u can get 10 of each crest a week
but the top 2 crests u cant actually get this week
and it works like valor
chilly brook
Yea I got that part
chilly brook
So far being a fire breath boi is fun
I wish the new zone rares wouldn’t take 10 years to respawn
(Yes I know it’s a once a day kill for reward)
jagged pier
well next week it wont matter u just get them from m+
its only bad for this week
the only thing u should farm this week is 2k flightstones
chilly brook
Would just be nice to get some items that would be worth upgrading
split remnant
Random Vamp Blood procs really isn't all that broken
My guy are you so used to trolls and internet retards that you cant even entertain the thought of someone actually not knowing shit and wanting to ask someone obviously more experienced? Cmon man.
jagged pier
Would just be nice to get some items that would be worth upgrading
check the chest lists there are chest with gear in them
u can upgrade to 411
jagged pier
monka
cinder nova
My guy are you so used to trolls and internet retards that you cant even enterta...
Gosh, I wonder why he was banned from the subreddit.
chilly brook
My guy are you so used to trolls and internet retards that you cant even enterta...
Sorry experienced in what? This is the warrior discord not the DK one
crude notch
cinder nova
Just been trying to grind rep to 8 for a guaranteed chest
Guaranteed chest? 🤔
chilly brook
Guaranteed chest? 🤔
Rep 8 with loam niffen
cinder nova
Oh, like an actual chest slot item, not a chest with loot in it.
cinder nova
Point and laugh
jagged pier
how?
chilly brook
Only things left for me to do is show up, do some dailies, maybe some events and farm rares
jagged pier
oh us less ppl so u probably have more rares u can get too
cinder nova
Mini events probably help, too.
chilly brook
Some of the normal side quest chains give rep tokens too
jagged pier
yer ive dont all of them
chilly brook
Random farmer one that was like 4 quests ended with a 1000 rep token
chilly brook
yer i dont do them
I do them just for the tokens for the extra free crest fragments
split remnant
Yes its not normal to block someone because you assume I am trolling even tho I never do. (You cant know that but expecting the worst of people is a bad thing to do).
And yes its not normal to discuss strictly warrior or prot warrior. You can discuss topics related to tanking in general.
ionic fern
im at 5 reknown
Why you doing it?
chilly brook
Why are you still on about this
It’s like me asking people in here about how the evoker legendary works
No one knows
cinder nova
Dude in here trying to dictate #protection to #protection because he's pressed from being kicked outta BDK shitpostville.
chilly brook
And they don’t care
cinder nova
ionic fern
It’s like me asking people in here about how the evoker legendary works
1)Obtain the Legendary.
2)Equip it.
You're welcome.
chilly brook
1)Obtain the Legendary.
2)Equip it.
jagged pier
Why you doing it?
free enchanted wyrm crest
ionic fern
At 20????
cinder nova
LOL
jagged pier
ye
cinder nova
who is that even for
chilly brook
There some decent stuff in it, and it’s pretty easy to do anyways
jagged pier
XD
ionic fern
Won't you have higher crests by then?
chilly brook
The treasure hunts are actually fun
ionic fern
My last key was done more than a month ago.
That said, i am going to do some today.
And on new patch release.
Farm them 16's or w/e is needed.
chilly brook
That said, i am going to do some today.
Carry me on NA dad
chilly brook
I need to try to do some keys, if for nothing else than just shaking off the dust and getting used to playing the game well
ionic fern
Nome is coming back.
jagged pier
and gunna be playing D4 soon
ionic fern
So is Erga.
jagged pier
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025
cinder nova
Is it out tomorrow?
chilly brook
Nah
jagged pier
is what out tomorrow?
chilly brook
Is it out tomorrow?
June 6
But I think there’s a beta this weekend or next?
Or rather stress test
chilly brook
Yea May 12th is gonna be a stress test for their servers
ionic fern
Yea May 12th is gonna be a stress test for their servers
I find it funny that they are doing these considering that regardless of the outcome the servers still fail.
strong forum
chilly brook
I find it funny that they are doing these considering that regardless of the out...
That’s because it’s a glorified trial and a marketing strategy to sell more copies, not a way to fix problems before they happen
ionic fern
Nome, Jakey said you're shit and that he's better than you in game.
You need to come back and prove him wrong.
jagged pier
chilly brook
I’m not sure if I should buy d4 or not
runic hatch
I did but I'm stupid with my money
cinder nova
Preorder is for suckers.
Let a bunch of the sweaty jabronis weather the bugs and the first wave of bullshit
Swoop in after the dust settles for a seamless experience, or don't if it's obvious there's some critical bugs hobbling play.
runic hatch
Mostly did that for the early access tbf, but I'm a sucker for sure 🤡
cinder nova
Well, preorder is basically putting down a bet saying, "I will enjoy this game."
runic hatch
I'd rather pre-order than playing another gacha game
crude notch
Are you poor S.?
cinder nova
Quite the opposite.
crude notch
Too poor to pre-order
hard vine
hey people , any thoughts on wich item u will use ur spark ?
crude notch
You can also refund with pre-orders btw so your logic is flawed
cinder nova
Still a jebait. Preorder refund law varies by country, even still, you're still spending money now on the bet that you'll like the game then. It's not gonna get more expensive between the preorder to live product, and the only difference is that you're paying for a completed product instead of lapping at the sweaty toes of alpha and beta exclusivity.
runic hatch
hey people , any thoughts on wich item u will use ur spark ?
Most people speak about a good 1 hander
cinder nova
Plus, it's more empowering as a consumer to hold your money.
Not really.
You can do this thing called reading reviews.
runic hatch
Lel
zenith sky
Most people speak about a good 1 hander
And with a good 1 hander you mean a shield? 😉
runic hatch
Reading reviews
cinder nova
Which helps with a concept called being an informed consumer.
crude notch
ah yes because all reviews are trustworthy and tell me exactly how I'll enjoy or not enjoy a game
cinder nova
Also, trusting Blizzard in the last 5 years
crude notch
and reviews are never wrong
hard vine
Most people speak about a good 1 hander
would u chose between shield and weapon or definitely weapon?
shell mortar
Shield good
runic hatch
would u chose between shield and weapon or definitely weapon?
Not sure tbh, can't help you on that I'm afraid...
shell mortar
Weapon good but not as good
cinder nova
ah yes because all reviews are trustworthy and tell me exactly how I'll enjoy or...
Thinking in a binary fashion is why you're preordering. You can read reviews across multiple platforms to see if there are any major issues at launch that are better to let settle over the first month before purchase.
hard vine
the thing is, my shield is crafted, i was planing on recrafting it
that's why i was asking
cinder nova
It's why I didn't buy DOOM: Eternal until they rolled back their invasive software.
runic hatch
I always pre-order and regretted it twice in my life: For Honor and BF 2042
shell mortar
Bro you're writing paragraphs when it will have 0 influence over the other person's thoughts and actions
shell mortar
the thing is, my shield is crafted, i was planing on recrafting it
Shield good
ionic fern
Do what i do.
Be excited about game;
Check videos, get even more excited;
Determined to buy during launch;
Forget the game launches;
Remember that the game launched 5 months ago;
Excitement gone;
Don't buy the game.
hard vine
Shield good
thank u 😉
crude notch
Do what i do.
>Be excited about game;
>Check videos, get even more excited;
>Det...
Bro lol
relatable
runic hatch
True
cinder nova
Do what i do.
>Be excited about game;
>Check videos, get even more excited;
>Det...
Mwahi broke the code, we all gotta become enlightened consumers by having wives and children that make us forget vidya releases.
crude notch
who cares about being an enlightened consumer when you gonna die anyways
To the moon baby
ionic fern
Je, it's been like that for:
Spider-man
Hogwarts Legacy
God of War
Some vampire crafting game that i can't remember the name of.
jagged pier
top 3 of those are good games
runic hatch
V Rising most likely
runic hatch
It just got an update recently
ionic fern
top 3 of those are good games
Tbf, i am still debating buying GoW.
cinder nova
who cares about being an enlightened consumer when you gonna die anyways
It's not about you, homie. It's about creating a habit of good consumer behavior that leverages your money against an industry driven to rob you of it with the cheapest possible product. We're paving a road for gamers ahead of us.
ionic fern
Je, probably then.
I'm now allowed to play w/e tank during progress.
As long as i don't swap mid-boss progress.
runic hatch
Bear main inc?
jagged pier
crude notch
It's not about you, homie. It's about creating a habit of good consumer behavior...
Bro, you're taking this way too serious.
runic hatch
I mean he can take it seriously if it matters to him
runic hatch
There are more important things in life tho
jagged pier
😮
cinder nova
There are more important things in life tho
True, but good practice sometimes doesn't actually require you to do anything at all.
And I feel like that's as low as the bar gets beyond someone doing something for you.
austere sleet
Gonna name my bear Pumps on the EU servers.
KEKW
crude notch
Man I didn't come here to get random financial advice from someone who also plays a shit video game like me,
runic hatch
Ty man
ionic fern
I come here to shittalk bears and answers questions about when to press IP.
jagged pier
true
runic hatch
When to press IP?
warm plinth
I just wanna know the best way to get rep for this damn weekly on alts
austere sleet
I come here to shittalk bears and answers questions about when to press IP.
leave the bears alone Cryge
warm plinth
u do everything u did on your main
I can't. For some reason the forbidden reach campaign skip is broken for me
warm plinth
Got a ticket in for it
crude notch
it's so buggy
ionic fern
When to press IP?
How to use IP:
( "ignore_pain,if=target.health.pct>=20&(rage.deficit<=15&cooldown.shield_slam.ready|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_charge.ready&talent.champions_bulwark.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.shield_charge.ready|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.avatar.ready|rage.deficit<=45&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.avatar.ready&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=20|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=55&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=17&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled|rage.deficit<=18&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled),use_off_gcd=1" );
runic hatch
Haha nice one
crude notch
i have some toons who haven't done the forbidden reach stuff at all but got the caverns stuff right away
warm plinth
Yeah my friend who is at the same exact step (the initial quest after you skip the intro to FR)
crude notch
I demand a refund
warm plinth
Can skip, but I can't
ionic fern
leave the bears alone Cryge
No. The more i bully bears here the less people will play bears for alts which means i need to compete with less people for parses.
austere sleet
truuuuue
crude notch
let's all roll bear to beat Mwahi in parses
shell mortar
Do I really want to inflict agonizing mental pain on myself just to beat someone on parses
austere sleet
I get 100 parses anyway, because nobody logs LFR except me
shell mortar
I'll get back to you with an answer once I've done leveling my bear
runic hatch
LFR logging
austere sleet
I'll get pumps to add that to the "Why you should play bear" section
we were looking pretty scarce on that side
crude notch
Yo true
@white hamlet add "Best leveling tank" to the Why you should play Guardian Druid section, thanks.
shell mortar
Bear is only good to level because you top damage even naked
shell mortar
Bit then you realise you're pressing 3 buttons
austere sleet
except the new animation don't even work properly. the new maul animation disappear if you talent raze
shell mortar
And want to unlive yourself in game of course
crude notch
Bit then you realise you're pressing 3 buttons
True true, that truly deep Pwar rotation though, gimme that.
ionic fern
Now i'm convinced that i play bear wrong because i press more than 3 buttons.
austere sleet
plus the fel werebear isnt that nice, wish i had played in during legion
ionic fern
Mangle/Thrash for rage and then just spam that Raze thingy
In AoE.
- moonfier
And boomy convokes
crude notch
shell mortar
True true, that truly deep Pwar rotation though, gimme that.
At least it's 90 APM with multiple major CDs
crude notch
He's playing convoke
austere sleet
put down vortex, roar and run away to owlweave
crude notch
You're aware that bear is more apm right?
shell mortar
It's not
ionic fern
A THING?
crude notch
Yes it is
ionic fern
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
crude notch
No catweaving is not a thing mwahi
ionic fern
............................
crude notch
Bear with Thorns is definitely a higher apm than any spec in the game.
ionic fern
Stop playing with my feelings like that.
warm plinth
Who gets excited about weaving anyway
ionic fern
I DO.
warm plinth
Weaving is 🤢
crude notch
Ghash, I knew you were my favorite for a reason
jagged pier
thats class expression
apprently druids dont like it
in SLs when the mage tower came out
ppl legit complained because they had to go into boomkin
crude notch
You didn't have to go into boomkin
warm plinth
Eh, I didn't mind it in that particular scenario. But you didn't HAVE to do it in boomkin
It was just less annoying in boomkin
jagged pier
it was far easier
crude notch
and a lot of the big bear heads say they prefer weaving, so that's also a take.
warm plinth
yeah, weird take imo. If I'm a bear, I wanna be a bear
austere sleet
weaving too complicated for me, I just wanna press swipe and call it a day
cinder nova
Bearheads are actually just druidheads that like tanking, so their enjoyment of weaving comes from the fulfillment of the class fantasy.
crude notch
When the best part about playing bear to you isn't playing as a bear.
warm plinth
Though tbh, in SL I didn't mind boomie-voking in keys. But there's a difference between min/maxing shapeshifts and just going boomie for a few seconds every minute or two
crude notch
Bearheads are actually just druidheads that like tanking, so their enjoyment of ...
Pumps definitely isn't a druidhead.
ionic fern
BY THE WAY
BEars.
Explain heart of the wild to me.
When do i click it?
Why do i click it?
ionic fern
That's more moronic than Last STand.
warm plinth
Yeah I'm sure it did
ionic fern
austere sleet
it sounds really bad....because it is
cinder nova
Serious question, at what point do we swap spec into UF and Bolster, 2p or 4p.
austere sleet
but there's actually legit nothing better to spend that point on for damage
cinder nova
That good, huh?
ionic fern
15% + double during LS.
warm plinth
UF is only in raid though, to be clear.
warm plinth
Although I wish we could pick a different abbreviation for it
Since UF is Unstoppable Force
austere sleet
Ursocs Fury?
cinder nova
idk UFocus
warm plinth
Someone called Spell Block 'splock' the other day and I think that's just perfect.
ionic fern
Wwait, you don't call it splock?
austere sleet
Wwait, you don't call it splock?
shadow priest lock?
cinder nova
tfw new people to #protection realize half of it is just figuring out good lingo
warm plinth
It took a good month, month and a half to get people to call Brutal Vitality BrV instead of BV
austere sleet
....why not BV?
warm plinth
Booming Voice
austere sleet
oooh
cinder nova
The easiest way to compartmentalize abbreviations is creating a precedent through chronology, or at least current parlance and chronology.
crude notch
It's like SOTF and SOTF and BF and BF for Guardian
warm plinth
Soul of the Forest and Survival of the Fittest. And then Blood Frenzy and ? I don't think I know the other one
cinder nova
For example, BV is being left for Booming Voice since it's been around for a while holding that spot. BrV for Brutal Vitality since it came around pretty recently.
austere sleet
tbh, there's too many terms to learn in WoW. I had to have someone explain what cantrip means in brew discord earlier
crude notch
Soul of the Forest and Survival of the Fittest. And then Blood Frenzy and ? I ...
Bristling Fur
warm plinth
Oh right
warm plinth
tbh, there's too many terms to learn in WoW. I had to have someone explain what ...
tbf, WoW/Blizzard is kind of inconsistent on the usage of that word
crude notch
It only gets used in the degenerate 130 apm Thorns build so
warm plinth
As an example, they use cantrip to refer to special effect items
crude notch
You're a special effect item
warm plinth
But they also have a racial that summons a fuckin mailbox called Cantrips
crude notch
Perfect
warm plinth
Very consistent usage
crude notch
The C in Blizzard stands for Consistency.
cinder nova
tbh, there's too many terms to learn in WoW. I had to have someone explain what ...
Cantrip? Like... a 0th level spell, or just acts of legerdemain?
warm plinth
Cantrip is supposed to be like a mischievous trick
crude notch
What about Catnip?
warm plinth
Fuck that guy
ionic fern
She's a girl?
warm plinth
What series
warm plinth
Katniss
warm plinth
Catnip was the owner of the Phoenix community
crude notch
Scamazed
warm plinth
The one that just peaced out and left all that gold to rot
warm plinth
The top NA boosting community
ionic fern
WTS Prot Warrior tips for gold.
warm plinth
The one that came from Gallywix basically
crude notch
Ghash has been a part of the two biggest NA boosting communities and they both went defunct.
Coincidence
warm plinth
Coincidence, I think not
ionic fern
So..Ghash has gold.
warm plinth
I do not have gold
jagged pier
😮
crude notch
jesus
warm plinth
Well, at least you don't have to transfer with guilds anymore @crude notch
jagged pier
gathering profs
crude notch
Prostitution
warm plinth
How many 60+ toons do you have?
austere sleet
offer to log into their accounts to get them a sick parse
ionic fern
Okay, let me rephrase..
I legit do not know how to make money in WoW WITHOUT ANY EFFORT.
ionic fern
How many 60+ toons do you have?
Idk..10+?
warm plinth
Herbalism is pretty decent right now, but in general gathering professions are shit tier.
jagged pier
missions tables used to do it 😦
warm plinth
Idk..10+?
Park them all at the community feast, spend 15 minutes a week doing the weekly on all of them, sell the pockets, ezpz
ionic fern
How much gold is that?
crude notch
I thought I used to know until I started boosting, but boosting just can't be beat.
warm plinth
60-75k each
ionic fern
What are pockets?
warm plinth
I get like 1-4 per week
ionic fern
😂
warm plinth
It's very easy
ionic fern
Boosting for gold is legal tho, right? They only disallowed boosting communities?
warm plinth
Yeah
crude notch
correct
crude notch
Mwahi gonna run for President of Azeroth and every character gets 200k a month by logging in
ionic fern
Yes please.
WOuld cover my raiding expenses.
Where do Heroic Crests drop from again?
warm plinth
16+, yeah
ionic fern
Again some fragments crap?
warm plinth
Yep, same exact thing, just different fragments
next yacht
i think mythic crests are for +17,not 16
amber siren
Still 16, like primal infusions
jagged pier
crude notch
yo
ionic fern
Why the hell do they give us 3 fragments less for a timed key than it takes to form a crests.
Wild.
crude notch
i thinkt hat one is cooler than mine
jagged pier
Why the hell do they give us 3 fragments less for a timed key than it takes to f...
so u have to run more keys
upping your played time
ionic fern
WHO CARES ABOUT PLAY TIME.
jagged pier
giving higher metrics
ionic fern
WE PAY PER MONTH
warm plinth
That's quite pretty
ionic fern
SAMDUASDbaHSD
uneven mason
But 16 drops the 424 not 428
crude notch
uneven mason
So yes, base to get the baller gear from the chest is 17
torn gulch
You farm 17 to double dip
cinder nova
You can't improve a piece from one bracket to another, right?
torn gulch
Next week
warm plinth
Correct
jagged pier
You can't improve a piece from one bracket to another, right?
correct
cinder nova
Seems like an oversight tbh.
torn gulch
Nope you have layers of content
jagged pier
made like that on purpose
ionic fern
SO...to follow the logic that's been going around on how to maximise the first week...
You would need to do 13 11-15 dungeons and 7 16+ dungeons just for the crests alone.
cinder nova
That's a fuckload of keys.
crude notch
Queue your graphic Ghash
jagged pier
ionic fern
I'm not doing that.
torn gulch
Or do 17 plus and double dip
torn gulch
Season is 6 months
warm plinth
We had this discussion earlier but yeah, 13 timed keys is too much to ask to max a single crest
jagged pier
but if u want to minmax
ionic fern
Do we still need 10 keys for vault?
ionic fern
Nice.
warm plinth
yeah hasn't been 10 for quite a while
ionic fern
Make it 1 and we have a deal.
torn gulch
Lol
jagged pier
TRUE
torn gulch
1 key for 3 vault slots?
ionic fern
Yes.
jagged pier
Jep.
torn gulch
Hahahahaha
oak ivy
is there any content right now that has a decent chance to drop gear that can be upgraded to 424? or are people just getting lucky off of the 415 quest
crude notch
Listen if I'm not 441+ by week 3 no one will invite me.
cinder nova
Wait, so we have to farm 5 separate slots first
jagged pier
Jep.
ionic fern
Also, make it so that any extra keys you do on your main after 8 count towards your alts vault progress.
crude notch
It's best to yeah
cinder nova
And get a raid drop.
ionic fern
THANK YOU.
crude notch
Otherwise you're shooting currency into the moon
crude notch
Mwahi wants to gear his alts by playing his main which means he'll never play his alts.
jagged pier
no he will when they are geared
crude notch
TO be clear this is a joke
warm plinth
Okay hang on
ionic fern
Only thing that's stopping me from playing my alts is that they are NOT geared.
oak ivy
ionic fern
I would play my alts (and the game in general) TONS MORE if i had gear on all alts.
torn gulch
There are realistic things you suggest and then there are straight fairytale
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure that the caverns requirements or whatever are just bugged to shit
crude notch
yea
warm plinth
Because I decided to just do the forbidden reach shit
because I was having trouble getting rep
And I don't remember any of this shit
crude notch
no
cinder nova
Y-... yes?
potent gulch
WE PAY PER MONTH
new china developers don't understand it. they know playtime.
reef coral
ionic fern
oak ivy
He never answers me
i'll answer you bb
final mist
I would play my alts (and the game in general) TONS MORE if i had gear on all al...
My problem with alts is I don't have enough time to play all of them
I picked up 3 and that's my limit to keep fairly geared behind my main
runic hatch
Playing alts is fun until it isn't
final mist
They've made a lot of specs enjoyable IMO in DF, so I didn't mind leveling a bunch
The hard part was only picking a couple I enjoyed enough to keep playing
hardy snow
alts are good to speed up grind drop from some rare thats unlucky
autumn roost
Y-... yes?
The crests you can purchase are a limited number of whelping and drake and you can downgrade the better crests into lower
autumn roost
Listen if I'm not 441+ by week 3 no one will invite me. <:sadge:8202023633598546...
Listen it was just a catchy title for a Reddit post
autumn roost
SO...to follow the logic that's been going around on how to maximise the first w...
You kinda flipped that. If you can full clear heroic, you only need 5 11-15s. But you will need 13 16+ to cap the higher one if you don't kill any mythic bosses
autumn roost
i think mythic crests are for +17,not 16
Mythic crests are 16 but hero track is 17 so you want to run at least 17s
sick sentinel
you're THE Lariat
There's something inside you it's hard to explain, they're talking about you boy but your still the same.
autumn roost
Lmao
I hate that Lariat is so popular
Since my AOL user name was Larias 28 years ago
crude notch
Good work on that doc
runic hatch
We admire your dedication
proper roost
Good work on the neck, sorry you got nerfed this season
autumn roost
Lmao
autumn roost
We admire your dedication
Sarcasm is the cowards lie
crude notch
Why didn't you warn @ionic roost to not trade down on his crests?
runic hatch
It wasn't but I can see why it looks like sarcasm
autumn roost
It wasn't but I can see why it looks like sarcasm
Sorry I was quoting b99 lol
runic hatch
Yeah love that show
autumn roost
Why didn't you warn <@158682188655624194> to not trade down on his crests?
I did. Ruck just can't read
ionic roost
autumn roost
If ruck could read this he'd be really mad
crude notch
kek
autumn roost
Thank you for your sacrifice
runic hatch
I've read that there's a cap on fragments/crests, is it showed somewhere?
autumn roost
150 per difficulty. You can find it in your statistics tab
And at least on elvui it shows it when hovering over the fragments
jagged pier
thats in the base game
runic hatch
Ok, great!
jagged pier
just hover over the fragment
runic hatch
Must've missed it
autumn roost
Thanks jakey, I didn't want to say for sure and be wrong lol
hardy snow
the cap is 150, unless you're me, then you can have extra 15
uneven mason
I would play my alts (and the game in general) TONS MORE if i had gear on all al...
This new system is going to be so bad for my alt addiction
"oh my alts upgrade limits are based on my main"
Guess the dk will get geared
frosty sapphire
Man why does the new world armor look better than the raid gear
This is some of the ugliest raid gear I've ever seen
hardy snow
everyone have different taste
old sinew
"oh my alts upgrade limits are based on my main"
Only on flightstones which are a nothing burger limitation
uneven mason
Man why does the new world armor look better than the raid gear
Blizzard realized that the majority of the players in wow are casual Andies and heroic dungeons and world bosses are the limits of what they do
uneven mason
Only on flightstones which are a nothing burger limitation
I thought it nixed the crests as well
old sinew
Man why does the new world armor look better than the raid gear
World armor looking kit is one of the few good things about 10.1 compared to X.Y patches
old sinew
I thought it nixed the crests as well
It definitely does not
uneven mason
Boo
old sinew
Alts get 60% cheaper flightstones upgrades but flightstones are not a “real” bottleneck
frosty sapphire
Blizzard realized that the majority of the players in wow are casual Andies and ...
That's fair
uneven mason
Yeah amazing what happens when you get rid of the OG sweaty neckbeard from the direction team
old sinew
I am a M+ Andy and don’t raid so only new weapon mogs I have access to are world quest weapon mogs so I’m glad they look good so I at least have something to dabble with
Still waiting for those datamined class specific mogs tho 🤤
uneven mason
The new wq axe is baller
old sinew
After seeing the guardian stuff yoinked to the cash shop I do worry if they might keep some premium weapon mogs like those class weapons to either cash shop or trading post
proper roost
Man why does the new world armor look better than the raid gear
look at the demon hunter raid set
old sinew
Or the hunter set 🤢
uneven mason
After seeing the guardian stuff yoinked to the cash shop I do worry if they migh...
It's possible, tbh I'm not sweating that, if one that looks baller pops up I'll snag it with a token or 3
uneven mason
DH raid gear has never looked good tbh
DH isn't intended to wear armor
Just give them a skirt and badass glaives, let the wings stay out
cerulean tusk
final mist
Correct
My only qualm with DH mogs is for some reason the warglaives appearance are still locked behind BT TWing when no other legendaries have a lock like that
Priests made out like bandits with this tier tho tbh
Quite happy my main alt this expac has been my Priest
final mist
First time I saw this Priest tier I assumed it was for Paladin
old sinew
It looks priestly to me. Angels vibe with Priest more imo
Paladins are more about books and chains and hammers and like lions maybe
final mist
It's that it looks like platemail, big bulky
Aside from the coat, not much of it looks like cloth
And they don't typically give cloth casters cool gloves and boots like those
uneven mason
It all looks very dragony
dusky canopy
