i didnt even know that
#protection
granite pond
I was #1 in Canada where my girlfriend is from
craggy pilot
i am #1 prot warrior in my guild 😎
plush tendon
Im the second best prot warrior in my household
jagged pier
😦
plush tendon
and I live alone
glass shale
I dont trust info from a random dude calling me dumb
jagged pier
😮
glass shale
Thx Jakey.
plush tendon
craggy pilot
Jakey the random dood
glass shale
Nielsen can u even read?
glass shale
I'm an English teacher and I can honestly help you
jagged pier
all right ppl let it slide
but if u want spefics on druids there rage of sleeper increase trinket damage for some reason and they buff arcane stuff beacon is arcane damage so they buff all of that permanently no other class in the game gets as much damage out of that trinket than guardian
craggy pilot
dont rly need it i dont live in England 🙂
glass shale
You have some serious linguistic problems right there buddy
craggy pilot
all right ppl let it slide
but if u want spefics on druids there rage of sleepe...
what about with our currenty Crit% bug with Battering Ram?
jagged pier
and still boring now
glass shale
Yeah I wont be playing druid anyways
craggy pilot
are we better until its fixed?
jagged pier
i mean until the new raid and gear comes out sure
but if they fix that bug
we loose a tone of damage anyway
craggy pilot
they will fix it by changing the wording of the talent 😄
and just make it a feature
why not ❤️
jagged pier
no what they are more likely to do it fix it without saying anything
then buff
and not explain it
so ppl will mald
like completely mald
craggy pilot
damn @jagged pier padding hard on the adds here 😄 dropped 7 spots when put on boss dmg 💔
craggy pilot
gotta get that parse no matter what 😄
jagged pier
there are logs out there of ppl using like shocking disclosure on adds
craggy pilot
but yea just more Druids shooting up when focusing on Boss dmg
craggy pilot
holy shit a single BDK on spot 14, with 7 PIs 🤣
jagged pier
and they dont want to change it for somereason
i like the look of druid mainly because i have mage tower skins
but my god is it bad to play
craggy pilot
tier lists should focus on player skill first though, like if you wanna play the BIS spec, you probably need to be equally good at both specs
which often is not the case
jagged pier
tier lists only need to revolve around 1 thing and thats your enjoyment of the class
because they can all clear all content
uneven mason
Obviously
craggy pilot
what spec are people feeling this season if not tanking in Raid?
dusky canopy
Prot
craggy pilot
cant figure if i wanna play Arms, or some completely other class 🤔
jagged pier
its called quit the game
craggy pilot
rip
dusky canopy
Yeah if you can’t play warrior then go play Diablo and pick barbarian
uneven mason
I'm running warrior
fresh igloo
I still like fury. bottom of the sims, who cares.
uneven mason
Are they, saw arms at the ground
craggy pilot
Yeah if you can’t play warrior then go play Diablo and pick barbarian
well i could play warrior, but just no Prot
fresh igloo
Are they, saw arms at the ground
i haven't checked latest because it really doesn't change anything for me lol
plush tendon
big fan of Shadow Priest right now
craggy pilot
I still like fury. bottom of the sims, who cares.
where do you see these sims?
plush tendon
I just think its neat
craggy pilot
like is it with Tier?
fresh igloo
craggy pilot
ah thx
uneven mason
Oh t1
jagged pier
we at T30
craggy pilot
i have Warrior, Shaman, Paladin, Warlock, DK and Hunter 🤔
jagged pier
this is this season
plush tendon
yea, those sims outdated
dusky canopy
I think fury is the better prog spec
fresh igloo
T30 sim is still missing a bunch.
dusky canopy
Less micro management so you can focus on living more
dusky canopy
As soon as they stop making me cast TC IP and WW on single target I’m all for it
Until then it just blows, for me
craggy pilot
the rage gen is through the roof, which just feels so weird having to burn it into IP :>
craggy pilot
yea IP shouldnt be giving ToM
should be only offensive rage spenditure or some shit
but then we are back at S1, where we had too much Rage to spend
toxic pewter
so many damn paladins everywhere
austere sleet
ah
jagged pier
so many damn paladins everywhere
yer because all these specs are kinda strong
jagged pier
🤷
dusky canopy
I think I heard that ret is one of the most popular specs even when it’s tuned poorly
So now that it’s good it’s extremely popular
plush tendon
Paladin is fun; been playing mine since day 1 of DF
jagged pier
ew
plush tendon
and lots of people play paladins cause they wanna be Arthas
before we had DKs
and just stuck with the class
craggy pilot
and the rotation is quite simple
just generate and spend
😄
very D3 like
seems like Arms is looking pretty good this week 🤔 might change with next Tier set though
jagged pier
give it a few weeks
daring marlin
Paladin is fun; been playing mine since day 1 of DF
🤝
strong forum
seems like Arms is looking pretty good this week 🤔 might change with next Tier ...
change of trinkets + tier can change alot
unholy loses alot of damage next tier
strong forum
i have however the suspicion that arms will do good because of sweeping strikes niche
what matters most is how CDs line up with bosses
potent gulch
arms will do great
daring marlin
strong forum
remember SoD
where arms looked like shit based on sims
but all the fights lined up amazingly with its kit?
slim dove
uneven mason
I just don't like the ToM style, killed arms for me in BFA
strong forum
i love tom
uneven mason
Just like the legion fury model was triggering
toxic pewter
ya tom is really fun
pallid quiver
holy shit i missed some good clowning; if this was any longer it'd be 10/10 copypasta
uneven mason
Hey, you're not world 5th don't talk to him.
unkempt hatch
I am going to stealthily play Ret Pally on my own probably out of raid times
strong forum
"i have more CEs than you can count"
daring marlin
people really bored waiting for new stuff to do
strong forum
perfect point to clown yourself
daring marlin
💯
strong forum
as soon as you bring up any past "achievements"
youre a clown
especially low cheevos like CE
that thing says nothing
prisma crane
that same line of thinking is also why i feel like season exclusive stuff (like elite sets or glad mounts) should eventually be available
at the end of the day it's only a big deal if you have the most current one imo
and your reward is getting it early
prisma crane
people who know they're good dont need to brag lmao
strong forum
exactly
uneven mason
as soon as you bring up any past "achievements"
I should've responded I was rk 1 alliance side warrior in season 1 of bfa on turalyon
strong forum
reminds me of a dude who wanted to become SF because he was r1 logs in CN for 2 weeks
uneven mason
: 💪 literally 15 warriors to complete against
prisma crane
yea well i got the 'well read' achievement in the first week of achievements, beat that
granite pond
I was server first 85 warrior in Catacylsm, respect me!
strong forum
server first cheevos i respect
cuz theyre OG
cuz its an actual achievement of only 1 person per server
final mist
reminds me of a dude who wanted to become SF because he was r1 logs in CN for 2 ...
Remember that one kid that always kept showing back up
Don't remember his name
Literal clown
shut summit
marok
strong forum
yeah that guy!
final mist
LOL, no, the uh
strong forum
hell yeah
oak ivy
im rank 1 of dying to brood
austere sleet
whats SF?
strong forum
yellow name
granite pond
Rank 1 healing parses during sanguine week
austere sleet
oh stormforged im blind
uneven mason
The toxic curse
strong forum
Remember that one kid that always kept showing back up
maybe we mean the same guy
final mist
Was he the one who kept dodging his ban because he wanted to be a big shot?
strong forum
parsemonger
final mist
YES
shut summit
🤦♂️
final mist
daring marlin
what the
final mist
Ah the memories
shut summit
🥑
devout pollen
God I'm gearing out my pally for next week since it's wee baby and the dmg feels like poopy
Just give Prot utilityu
pls
Bobby
I'll jerk you off
warm plinth
Am I in Legion rn? Sal is here? Avocado is being mentioned
final mist
havent seen him in a while
I've been gone for so long, I've missed so much lore
prisma crane
i fucking miss 🥑
final mist
Am I in Legion rn? Sal is here? Avocado is being mentioned
Oi I was around for most of BFA too
prisma crane
most cooked takes ever
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
SL hasnt had much lore tbf
warm plinth
Lol. Okay fair
prisma crane
Levko was also a character for sure
warm plinth
SL was a coma nightmare
daring marlin
Levko LOL
strong forum
thats a name ive not read in a while
warm plinth
Isn't avocado banned from here at this point?
strong forum
yes
prisma crane
he still messages me from time to time, most recent time he asked me to put a xmas hat on the portrait of some Ukrainian general lol (he's from UKR)
fresh igloo
I'm a top 3 prot warrior in my faction/server. (don't check the population pls lol)
💪🏻
warm plinth
Wait which one, levko or avocado
warm plinth
Oh okay lol
prisma crane
i dont even remember Avocado's actual name
warm plinth
ALAVISTO
warm plinth
He was eastern European as well I'm pretty sure
prisma crane
i honestly cant remember, but i think he was also pretty young
like 17 or something
warm plinth
Yeah
I haven't seen him anywhere in the last couple years actually. Wonder if he quit
prisma crane
a great many have
daring marlin
Speaking of CEs, I have a single one from a decade ago (will of the emperor) I embrace being trash.
mighty valley
Bragging about 1200+ heroic kills?? what is going on in there
daring marlin
yes
strong forum
not to brag but
frozen berry
Damn took you to 09 to win a duel?
undone verge
I've never gotten CE
got my first one this tier 💪
warm plinth
daring marlin
👏
warm plinth
You have to be Jeff Gordon to know how to build a car
I was pretty amused by that guy a while back who kept telling people to post their .io because low io people didn't know shit, and it turned out I was higher than him after he'd spent an hour arguing with me.
daring marlin
I can't be fucked to raid, especially with 19 other people. 🤷♂️
warm plinth
And my io wasn't even that high 😂
prisma crane
Bragging about 1200+ heroic kills?? what is going on in there
i do remember this one dude i saw had something like 1700 HC archimonde kills in WoD, it was a mage
daring marlin
I was pretty amused by that guy a while back who kept telling people to post the...
Those are the best.
prisma crane
dude used to be in <Easy>
fuck i cant remember his name
he used to just sell the runs non stop
undone verge
And my io wasn't even that high 😂
one dude was trying to flex his 2700 io on me once while I was on an alt
prisma crane
lmao
undone verge
I had like 2650 at the time, and he switched up like '2650 io and u still suck or something' and its like 2650 is like braindead ez to get
I was on a 400 ilvl warrior and died in a 20 Shadowmoon iirc
warm plinth
Yeah pretty sure at the time this happened, he was like 2500 and I was like 2605
undone verge
Coulda been so much better
also the fact that brood and rasz were 10.7 instead of 10.0 messes up my rank
jagged pier
then my one form march was top 10 for ages
and i dont really play to cheese imo 🤷
do i use cds on the adds yer, but everyone should have u get 2 rounds of cds on the adds in intermission 1
and they need to did
F
undone verge
all star points are separate for 10.0 and 10.0.7 so im 300 something for erranog-dathea
in 10.0
I just got laughed at
daring marlin
undone verge
I posted the list of trinkets and just asked for one of them, and they told me to start farming m+
oblique kayak
They told me the same - told them „sure“ and canceled the first 3 prog weeks. Told them „i’ll use the time to farm nythic“ XD
so is telling me to invest more time then others 🤷♂️ to each their own
but that’s just me - they are allowed to require it and i’m ok to tell them i’m not willing to double dipp
„we are expecting you to farm at the least 20-30 mythic per week at 19+ on 2 charro in addition to prog“ ….yeah nope
daring marlin
gear to raid bruv
undone verge
„we are expecting you to farm at the least 20-30 mythic per week at 19+ on 2 cha...
what are u world first raiding?
oblique kayak
not even close - top 1k
undone verge
damn
undone verge
but also like it makes total sense to gear the dps and not the tanks, cause like we can easily do the raid missing like 15 ilvls compared to everyone else
just funny
final mist
It's always the world 1k guilds which are the worst
cerulean tusk
If the tank can live, it is fine 
undone verge
100%, was just referring to the comment about demanding to be geared
final mist
If the tank can live, that means the tank can play greedy for more dps 
jagged pier
but also like it makes total sense to gear the dps and not the tanks, cause like...
ah yer lets give it to the dps and then bench them or they quit/ leave
oblique kayak
that’s reasonable
strong forum
your guild is already lucky if everybody does 1x +20 lol
especially at that level
fucking 20-30 keys
fuckoff
thats some top 10 shit
jagged pier
im pretty sure the guild i was in last tier didnt even have ppl doing 20s and that was world 400
final mist
your guild is already lucky if everybody does 1x +20 lol
Tbh you're lucky if a guild like that has half the raid that can do one 20+
LOL
undone verge
our guild just kinda said try to do 1 20 a week, then we rebuilt leadership halfway through, lost 70% of our roster throughout the tier, and lost 3 total weeks of raiding to bugs and holidays and still got a rasz kill
strong forum
Everyone does 8/8 <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
i was RL and officer and didnt even do 8/8 for more than like once
daring marlin
im pretty sure the guild i was in last tier didnt even have ppl doing 20s and th...
based
undone verge
I dont think I ever even got second m+ vault slot
final mist
I filled my vault with 20s but I also am not raiding atm 
daring marlin
mood
undone verge
RL does nothing ever tho
depends on what u mean by raid leader, cause dbm callouting isnt raid leading, raid leader comes up with strats and comps and cooldown timings
strong forum
cant be assed to play 4-6hrs of keys
undone verge
mood
jagged pier
mood
cerulean tusk
That is the excuses a RL brings
uneven mason
Full vaults with how smooth loot has been is overkill
final mist
I would he doing less keys if I had a raid to sit in
undone verge
my alts have better m+ vaults than my main
daring marlin
I enjoy keys so filling the vault is ezpz for me
uneven mason
I haven't done a full vault since 9.0 because I couldn't get a shield for any shit
daring marlin
plus no raid ofc
cerulean tusk
Main gets 6 rings, alts get BiS
final mist
I haven't done a full vault since 9.0 because I couldn't get a shield for any sh...
Craft one
undone verge
I enjoy keys so filling the vault is ezpz for me
I really didn't enjoy keys this season
limber flame
I did a full vault every week this tier, i just like playing the game 
cerulean tusk
Necks in S1 
final mist
"Surely sitting in arms spec for vault will be fine and I'll get a 421 whetstone"
uneven mason
Main gets 6 rings, alts get BiS
Literally was tanking with a RWS because I couldn't get another trinket to drop for the warrior, pal and dk both had alltotem
strong forum
picking trinkets/rings/neck from vault is troll, cant change my mind
daring marlin
"Surely sitting in arms spec for vault will be fine and I'll get a 421 whetstone...
Get multiple like I did
lul
undone verge
Ive missed Erranog trinket 3 times on my tank alts because I accidentally killed the boss in WW/Unholy spec cause I was farming whetstone
final mist
I didn't get one whetstone all season to drop, let alone one from vault
jagged pier
who cares the trinket bad anyways
strong forum
armor pieces and weapons have a far bigger long term gain
than getting +6 on a trinket or ring
undone verge
mythic erranog better than the 389 shitty trinkets I had at the time
cerulean tusk
Grind out PVP trinky. It is guaranteed 
final mist
My trinkets all season have been the 402 eranog one I got out of a box and a 408 all-totem I also got out of a box
I just want things to have
cerulean tusk
HUGE VAULT VALUE
Worth the grind
strong forum
imagine not having 415 whetstone and 408 all-totem since week1?
final mist
Bro my luck is
cerulean tusk
That is a tank issue
final mist
Do you know how many CoS I did before I saw a ring drop in the group
Let alone got it
chilly brook
I had top 10 raid parses during prog without BiS trinkets/rings/necks and took just raw ilvl
Just take ilvl
Git gud
undone verge
Let alone got it
u got the ring?
strong forum
yeah true same || took me 3 cos to have both ring and trinket ||
daring marlin
I got it pretty early 😬
strong forum
friend ran 81 CoS before seeing a ring
final mist
limber flame
got 421 melandrus in vault pretty early
strong forum
with 4 traders btw
strong forum
got 421 melandrus in vault pretty early <:keks:936231610850897992>
getting +6ilvl on ring is a total of ~50 secondary stats
HUGE VAULT VALUE
cerulean tusk
Ofc traders
daring marlin
bruh lmao
final mist
My favorite is when vault gives you three necks
limber flame
getting +6ilvl on ring is a total of ~50 secondary stats
<:keks:936231610850897...
either mastery cloak or haste/vers neck 🙂
final mist
ThankS Mr vault very cool
daring marlin
too bad dungeon quest is this week!
strong forum
î had goldscar pelt twice 
limber flame
got goldscar this week
strong forum
just in time
strong forum
its only wq loot if you mean this week
limber flame
seen 0 eranog rings in vault tho, seen the ring drop probably 6-7 times no winning rolls
daring marlin
I meant it's a shame the mythic dungeon quest is a week early!
daring marlin
but yeah id like uuuh nelths call
Bruh the proc looks SO COOL
limber flame
Got pretty luck this tier with vaults, prayge for early forgestorm this tier
strong forum
Bruh the proc looks SO COOL
ya is neat
final mist
I'm actually gonna pug this patch for some raid loot until I find a guild that'll take my sorry ass, can't wait
daring marlin
BIG FACELESS SHADE SLAPPIN
strong forum
yeah ill half pug raid prolly
final mist
Wish me luck, cant be worse than FFXIV pugging
daring marlin
final mist
To be useful but not appreciated
strong forum
wdym talk, i trust and waved it through
final mist
You are seen and validated friend
strong forum
is that not good enough
daring marlin
I'm actually gonna pug this patch for some raid loot until I find a guild that'l...
I may do the same since raid loot looks very tempting
I ain't browsing guilds tho
strong forum
all 3 of em?
final mist
I'm playing dps for this season since some friends want to push keys and one of them is tank
And fury looks
daring marlin
cerulean tusk
Double prot pala, no healer, ggez
final mist
I'll probably maybe definitely find a guild willing to give me a chance based on logs from
Uh
Dazaralor
final mist
Hey I was rank 50 based on score and didn't kill two bosses that tier thanks to guild drama
Surely that's good enough
strong forum
say that youre former SF, surely that helps
jagged pier
then slowly get a 3rd, 4th and 5th tank
This, honestly wouldnt mind on the rare occasion a 4 tank boss fight or aomthing every 4-5 tiers make them dps with tank offspec learn their off sepc for once
final mist
Oi put some respect on my name
I was never SF
I had wings
We don't have a valkyr emote
chilly brook
and enjoy the game how its meant to be
Absolute degenerate
jagged pier
Yep
strong forum
cinder nova
Nom, what's the secret tech on the first four bosses
jagged pier
Dont die
pallid quiver
Jakey, what's the parsing tech for raid week 1?
jagged pier
Press your buttons
jagged pier
Your like me with council come up with the horrendous aoe build first
jagged pier
pallid quiver
I've just been typing /cast (spell) myself
jagged pier
Ah a true gentleman
daring marlin
Are there any good pug raid discords? 
jagged pier
jagged pier
Are there any good pug raid discords? <:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506>
Probably
There are pugs that do CE after cross faction opens
But their pull counts are ummm high
idle inlet
Gimme the loot <:clowning:745703559202603121>
If you find anything, please share with me warrior bro <3
strong forum
Nom, what's the secret tech on the first four bosses
huh
which four bosses
vault?
eragon, use roar on adds
council full aoe pad build
terros nothing special
sennarth pad on adds if you can
pallid quiver
I think he meant Abby
misty moss
OR do stand in swirly
pallid quiver
just yell at a dps to stand in it instead
warm plinth
You guys don't stand in all swirlies?
pallid quiver
Not since they took vengeance away
strong forum
neverminding the fact that a well played tank in MoP didnt need a single point of healing
🙃
whilst topping dps
meanwhile today people(dps) are off their chair when a tank doesnt need to be spam healed and does 60% of a dps' dmg
daring marlin
degen /sit macros lol
final mist
meanwhile today people(dps) are off their chair when a tank doesnt need to be sp...
DPS and healers out here wanting tanks to do 0 dps and healing and only be threatbots, and then wonder why no one would want to play a tank
mighty valley
tbh if they balanced tanks to do comparable dps, we'd mostly get an influx of really bad tanks who're bad at the non-rotation stuff
daring marlin
worth it imo
I'm still in shock they did cross faction raiding and even guilds now
wild stuff
daring marlin
10man mythic raid next 
ionic roost
median tulip
10man mythic raid next <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Flexible numbers for Mythic Raids, please
pallid quiver
Solo m raid when
undone verge
Facts
daring marlin
or just any difficult solo content
dusky canopy
10man mythic would be so nice
Maintaining 20 people reliably is tough
Well like wouldn’t it flex similar to other difficulties?
And let’s be honest it would be a decided comp for what 30 guilds?
Most people play this game with there friends
daring marlin
First step would be to delete most raid buffs
shit's garbage
chaos brand and mystic touch...? first
better for people that wanna just tank too
I prefer dps in raid but hey I feel for my tank brothers that just wanna tank
M+ adjustments 👀
ionic roost
Pretty sure mythic will always be one flat group size, it's just easier to balance and design around
That's the whole reason it became a thing
daring marlin
Balancing 10v25, sure. 10v20 would be significantly easier.
mighty valley
i'd prefer no group buffs for the normal brained people i raid with, but it is slightly dangerous
daring marlin
Not gonna hold my breath, for obvious reasons.
mighty valley
easy to imagine a world of "Recruiting <this patch's highest performing dps based on badly analyzed logs> ONLY"
strong forum
chaos brand and mystic touch...? first
not to mention that mystic touch is the by far the weakest buff
since half of melee dps dont even benefit off of it
strong forum
yeah but i mean, the perceived value of it is way higher than it actually is
half of rogues dmg isnt phys, most of surv hunter isnt phys, pally is almost to no part phys, dk is only like half phys
ontop of that you gotta evaluate how many specs you have that benefit off of it to begin with, which is already a limited amount of slots
so its like a 1-2% raid dps gain on average
but yes, the group buff meta is awful for the health of the game
its not an added benefit in 90% of cases to have the buff, its more often than not just a checklist to fill out
the RP factor that it wants to be just isnt there
daring marlin
💯
pallid quiver
Even if I like the flavor of them, agree
The game's moved a bit too far away from that ideal I think
cloud umbra
is there any reason to hold the spark for next week?
warm plinth
is there any reason to hold the spark for next week?
You'll be able to actually do keys next week so you might end up getting what you make
cloud umbra
i guess that would make sense
strong forum
Vaults are super volatile early season
You don't wanna craft a spark only to get a better/equal item from vault
warm plinth
Yep, and keep in mind that the vault on Tuesday will still be season 1 rewards
lone yarrow
So I attempted tanking a 20smbg last night and found that compared to before the patch I am getting squished hard. Was it just me or are other people feeling the same, I know the damage increase could be the reason, raging plus Fort
toxic pewter
What key level do you think will be doing when season 2 starts
warm plinth
So I attempted tanking a 20smbg last night and found that compared to before the...
Raging would have nothing to do with it, since Raging is already the S2 version, which does not increase their damage.
warm plinth
What key level do you think will be doing when season 2 starts
Depends on your skill level and how bad the tuning is in the new pool tbh. Too many variables to say right now.
It also depends on if we're getting new k values, which we usually do. But they didn't scale the dungeons like they normally do so I'm not sure if that's going to be a thing or not. I would assume that it will be since we'll be getting access to more armor and more block value.
toxic pewter
Interesting
balmy pawn
Is there a good source for s2 m+ walkthrough video content yet? Text guide also would be fine. Just want to do some homework
lone yarrow
Raging would have nothing to do with it, since Raging is already the S2 version,...
Oh I didn't realise, maybe I am doing something wrong then, normally we had no real issues and I felt super tanky.
Maybe I stood in void slash
daring marlin
Is there a good source for s2 m+ walkthrough video content yet? Text guide also ...
Quazii has good vids tbh
warm plinth
Oh I didn't realise, maybe I am doing something wrong then, normally we had no r...
Honestly it's very common for people to come in here after a patch (especially when it coincides with the swap to fort week) and feel squishy, thinking it's attributed to the patch. But to be fair, mobs ARE doing more damage, but as a tank, you shouldn't really feel it unless it's something that is very dependent on the healer (e.g. 3rd boss TJS tankbuster and things like that)
daring marlin
In terms of what dungeons we'll be doing we'll have a good idea immediately with the -10 levels
just gotta pump that bad boy up
warm plinth
Yeah, they dropped them a lot since they are a completely new pool, so you should quickly find out what your limit is going to be by pushing your key up
lone yarrow
Yeah fair I only did the one dungeon, maybe I should test some more tonight
warm plinth
I'm assuming the thing that was hurting is the void slash guys?
lone yarrow
Yep though I was stepping out of most of them
daring marlin
Funny enough the first key I did since patch was a 23 SBG and I didn't feel too bad it was mostly the group suffering.
lone yarrow
Yeah we have a 22 to do tonight will have to rethink how I manage those guys
Might just play the run away game
stone pike
Don't you deal with it by getting spell block and just eating them? That's what I've been doing since I got murdered on a high SBG and looked it up.
lone yarrow
If you move far enough away they miss you as they cast it
stone pike
Yeah I'm not good at that. I found out on the weekend you can dodge mortal hew by stepping backwards. I am not a good tank 🤣
fresh igloo
Spell block, spell reflect, stuns, back steps
stone pike
Been eating all of this shit all season and just rotating defensives.
lone yarrow
Haha I know that feeling
fresh igloo
Various options
daring marlin
Been eating all of this shit all season and just rotating defensives.
ohno
lone yarrow
Oh you can reflect it? Now that's cool
lone yarrow
That's still a big help
stone pike
Spell block will immune them all for 20 seconds. And it's up each time you face the pack.
lone yarrow
Spell block will immune them all for 20 seconds. And it's up each time you face ...
Might try that then
Rather than just to the face
stone pike
The only downside is you lose your block damage threat talent which might throw you off a bit if you're not used to it like I was.
Your threat gets a little wonky
warm plinth
Immune is misleading, since it doesn't immune them.
stone pike
Eh I was summarizing. It just reflects void slash which is as good as immuning it.
warm plinth
It doesn't reflect it either. It mitigates it just like block does.
It's a damage reduction.
stone pike
I feel you're just nitpicking my terminology here. He got the idea.
It doesn't damage you.
warm plinth
It does damage you though...
That's why I'm "nitpicking"
Spell Block does not prevent all damage. It prevents some damage.
stone pike
Ok fair enough. I get what you're saying.
proper roost
reflecting and reducing damage is very different lol
Words are all we have in this medium, if you misuse them, it is fair to criticize
stone pike
I guess I just don't do them high enough to notice it actually does damage still. I rotate a few cds in there and my health doesn't even budge.
warm plinth
I didn't mean it in like a rude way. Just don't want lurkers to see what is technically incorrect information is all.
Sorry if it came off that way
fresh igloo
hits that get mitigated by spell block do often become trivial to the point of not noticing the damage. it is an important distinction tho yeah.
stone pike
I should just stop giving prot advice. This place made it abundantly clear I have no idea what I'm doing and coasted on it being a strong spec.
lone yarrow
Will be interesting to test though
warm plinth
And in all fairness, it IS possible to effectively immune something with spell block because spell block criticals are not capped the way regular block is.
But it's not guaranteed.
lone yarrow
I should just stop giving prot advice. This place made it abundantly clear I hav...
I appreciate it thanks for the help
fresh igloo
And in all fairness, it IS possible to effectively immune something with spell b...
I'm not super clear on what that means, what cap for critical block?
warm plinth
You can't block more than 85% of incoming damage.
You also can't mitigate more than 85% of incoming damage via armor.
fresh igloo
ah i see
warm plinth
But for some reason, Spell Block criticals do not give a shit about that cap
fresh igloo
that's interesting
sick sentinel
forget about flat eath, im a sun truther now
pulsar sedge
Praise the sun!
sick sentinel
bah, probably holy priests or fire mages
as long as it is not blue fire, fire is generally not blue and this is a good example why from doom
tall cedar
guys is there a flightstone weekly cap ?
like valor on first weeks
so can i spend my flightstones to upgrade some 424 items
toxic pewter
No weekly cap but can only hold 2000 at one time
tall cedar
oh nice
toxic pewter
The cap comes in to play with the crests
toxic pewter
Yeah like 10 a week for the crests
Apparently the cap may increase by 10 each week? Unless I’m misunderstanding but like week 3 can collect 20 crests total?
warm plinth
It does indeed increase each week
toxic pewter
That’s pretty good
warm plinth
That way if you're behind, you don't have to be behind on crests (well, assuming you degen to get them lol)
warm plinth
5 dungeons = 4 crests exactly, which is basically one crafted piece maxed out I believe
toxic pewter
I see
warm plinth
5 timed dungeons that is
toxic pewter
That’s because u get 12 fragments
Per timed dungeon right
So to get 10 crests need to do…. 13 timed dungeons. Does that math sound correct
odd tree
Do you get less for untimed?
dull orchid
5 for untimed
odd tree
Ah, better then 0
warm plinth
So to get 10 crests need to do…. 13 timed dungeons. Does that math sound correct
Yep that's correct
Which tbh I feel is excessive
toxic pewter
Hmmmm
warm plinth
I don't even do 13 dungeons across all toons most weeks
toxic pewter
And that just one type of crest in theory will want to do 26 dungeons for 10 wyrm and 10 aspect
warm plinth
Right
odd tree
Yea, I usually do my 8, unless it's a push week
toxic pewter
Yah def not a small amount
warm plinth
And that's assuming you time every dungeon too which is not really realistic.
toxic pewter
But I guess hopefully get a nice high ilvl drops heh
toxic pewter
In Aberrus, Raid Finder will drop Whelpling’s Shadowflame Crest Fragments. Most bosses will drop 10 fragments, but end bosses will drop 15 (which can be made into a full crest immediately!).
odd tree
Eh, so at least some of the heroic crests will be covered by raid
warm plinth
Well, you could farm 10 heroic crests quite fast I would think because you only have to do +11s
And +11s only have one affix
(2 if you count tyr/fort)
toxic pewter
Yah true that not bad
odd tree
Also true, there will likely be folks listing their groups for that
odd tree
Like valor farm, just get carried by a stacked party
warm plinth
The mythic crests might be a different story depending on how hard 16s end up being for most people the first week.
warm plinth
I honestly feel like raiders got kinda the short end of the stick as far as crests go this season
At least mythic raiders
Not only can they not upgrade the gear they get, but you obviously aren't going to be able to get a substantial number of crests from Mythic bosses since you're progging.
odd tree
Yep, have to spend some time in keys when not progging
warm plinth
I probably would've made it so the mythic crests came from higher keys than 16s
Because a 16 is not comparable to mythic raid even sort of
warm plinth
Yeah I think that would be closer to the mark for sure.
pallid quiver
they're accounting for pugging pains :L
violet flume
i mean the gear comparable to mythic raid is the vault gear tho no?
and even then mythic raid had some higher ilevel
vault +20 i mean
nm im dumb i guess crests do give close enough to vault +20
warm plinth
You can upgrade up to 441 which is early Mythic
violet flume
ya but you cant make that many a week since youre gated behind sparks
i think its fair
technically if you go fast you can get gear faster from mythic raids and eventually better
warm plinth
You can upgrade regular loot too, not just crafted gear.
violet flume
and you can upgrade one item to max per week? or more?
daring marlin
more than that
violet flume
ok well damn
daring marlin
and only the first time you upgrade it is gated
violet flume
thats a lot more sped up than season 1
daring marlin
want
warm plinth
This would be like the ultimate degen gearing for the first couple weeks of the season.
mellow pelican
Hey all, got a question about using the tauren racial warstomp. When casting it, can we still block/dodge/parry. Also, does the cast reset swing timer for our weapon?
warm plinth
I don't believe any casts reset weapon swing timer anymore. And even if it did, it wouldn't be something that mattered. I am not sure about the block/dodge/parry but it's a very short cast time, so it likely would not matter anyway.
vivid orchid
swing timer resets only matter on arms and perhaps bears these days
mellow pelican
Thanks for that, my main spec will be arms so handy to know.
sick sentinel
im gunna reroll to fire mage or priest once again possibly paladin and become a sun truther
People need to be shown the light
slim dove
ret/prot pal giga fun.
sick sentinel
i think wow can be alot of fun
austere sleet
any idea if wowhead/icy veins are updated?
warm plinth
Both guides are updated, yes
sick sentinel
i just dont like that the number one creator invents a ptoblem for himself using basically 2 defunct addons (bt4, bagnon) when its on the box game has this, uses it to have melt down that "game ded"
sick sentinel
mr golds addons stopped working the other day and he did just that above "games dead"
had a massive baby rage tantrum fit over it for like hr, and this is most views guy. its lame if its a theatre show, its sad if its something isolayed to him
daring marlin
ret/prot pal giga fun.
yep
toxic pewter
Does aoe interrupt talent seem useful in any season 2 dungeons
daring marlin
Yogi that shit was hilarious
sick sentinel
Learn to adapt and swim with tide or soon you will be swept away.
slim dove
wisdom from yogi 
austere sleet
Learn to adapt and swim with tide or soon you will be swept away.
is this hinting that I should roll a prot pala?
chilly brook
I’m having a good time being a fire breather
scenic mural
Which one lmao
austere sleet
I got all 6 tanks at 70, only one I don't really enjoy is DK for some reason
I dont really raid though mostly just M+
scenic mural
Same here, have em all but dk and bear on the shelf
Ppal got levelled last but is my fav atm
sand pebble
Druid was never og tank
uneven mason
Druid was never og tank
Sure was
sand pebble
Nope I'll never agree to this
uneven mason
Your agreement is not required for something that's a fact.
sand pebble
I'm thinking back to when I tanked mc for the very first time and the only druids that existed were resto
mighty valley
Druids were like... passable
noble wind
What is everyone crafting?
uneven mason
I'm thinking back to when I tanked mc for the very first time and the only druid...
My first mc run was with a bear tank
I mean this was before warriors had shield slam....
austere sleet
Yeah I really love playing druid, just hate the talent tree they have atm, can't make a build I enjoy without dropping a hefty amount of DPS. I'm currently uhming and ahhing between pwarr, brew and veng for which to focus on early in the season, but can't decide lol
sand pebble
They always had shield slam...it was deep into prot tree
mighty valley
haha, weirdly no
not until the first round of talent reworks mid-vanilla
it's really hard to dig up the oldest talent trees but they were ASTONISHINGLY bad
sand pebble
I was level 31 when the dire maul patch dropped so maybe
mighty valley
warriors still mitigated way better than bears due to shield block and how the hit table worked
so bears drank up healer mana more
but nothing in early vanilla was really hard enough to punish you if you were lucky enough to be in a raid of 40 people who were awake
uneven mason
They always had shield slam...it was deep into prot tree
SS was added with bwl wat
mighty valley
at least bears could get the job done, unlike prot paladins who ran out of mana a minute into the fight and died
uneven mason
at least bears could get the job done, unlike prot paladins who ran out of mana ...
And couldn't taunt or live through one hit
uneven mason
warriors still mitigated way better than bears due to shield block and how the h...
Except for bosses that didn't crit and did fire damage
mighty valley
if they had mana for holy shield they could survive a hit! two though... that's asking a lot
uneven mason
Folks forget you literally couldn't block elemental attacks
mighty valley
anyway why are we being the two old guys at the bar
uneven mason
IDK
I just said i stick with the classics and Mr "warriors always had SS" there trying to throw shade at bear
austere sleet
"back in my day I would've killed for spell block
uneven mason
"back in my day I would've killed for spell block
Back in my day I would have died for spell block
And we did
crude notch
lol
sand pebble
you actually made me google og talent tyrees lmao
uneven mason
I may not be rank 11 like some others but I do remember irrelevant shit in videogames
uneven mason
Everything was garbage in classic
daring marlin
classic was garbage
crude notch
Based and true
uneven mason
Tanking as warrior was like chewing glass
vivid orchid
definitely may have used mortal strike while tanking in vanilla...
sand pebble
same icon, i admit i got it wrong
warm plinth
Let's be real though, Shield Bash, Shield Slam, same difference
sand pebble
leets see if i can recreate my mc arms spamstring tanking build that made a warlock quit playing
uneven mason
I mean except one is a functional ability and the other was some "aggro should be hard" crap carried over from EQ brain
uneven mason
Could be worse, could be in HoW.
daring marlin
:whoasked:
crude notch
Back in my day, alright yogi jr.
sand pebble
def stance, spamming sunder armor, tact mastery to swap to zerker stance so i could break fear on mag, could use a 1h sword and shield for the latter parts while still gaining hoj/wft/ssword spec procs
oh the memoris of being bad at this game
crude notch
Damn bro
daring marlin
yogi is a chaotic armenian man and we love him
Which key are you guys hoping from your box first?
sand pebble
nelths for an early forgeestorm to upgrade
daring marlin
Naltharus looks pretty simple too
Some of these keys are gonna be spooky with tyrannical next week lol
Uldaman
edgy venture
wonder if they removed the stalker elementals in VP for M+
restive crown
any suggestions on how to pull the 3rd boss courtyard on TJS23 fort?
vivid orchid
once she goes green you need to have planned out every single defensive use
vivid orchid
ah sorry
warm plinth
🤔
lusty grotto
im not gonna say it if you dont say it
warm plinth
Say what, what'd I miss
lusty grotto
sunder armor
warm plinth
We don't talk about Sunder Armor
warm plinth
We certainly don't talk about not DPSing until there are 3 stacks.
lusty grotto
absolutely not
vivid orchid
wait for it..
lusty grotto
wheres my soundboard for the vader noo sound
warm plinth
We had a shadow priest in Karazhan who would always get absolutely wrecked by Prince Malchezaar because he, in fact, did not wait for 3 stacks of sunder
daring marlin
and a vampire
warm plinth
He's from where I live
warm plinth
Yeah, loot spec doesn't matter for that quest unfortunately.
daring marlin
It's sorta funny cuz I'm sure my pally will get garbage
despite him using a 415 2H still
whereas my Warrior is fuckin' Gilgamesh
fresh igloo
Yeah, loot spec doesn't matter for that quest unfortunately.
Supposedly that was a bug that was fixed
warm plinth
I see. I assumed it was because it was giving world quest rewards, and WQs aren't loot-spec based.
ionic fern
It's just 5 HC dungoens?
At least rare farming for keys is now..easy?
Well...easy but god damn time consuming since no one is doing them.
warm plinth
Yeah, it's a separate quest from the normal weekly though
ionic fern
Where do i pick it up from?
warm plinth
It's in the adventure guide, or you can get it from a consortium dude in Valdrakken I think.
ionic fern
Ah,okay.
warm plinth
I honestly had no idea there WERE dungeon quesets until like 2 days ago when someone told me where to get this
quests*
warm plinth
No idea. I just got mine from the adventure guide because I didn't know wtf they were talking about.
warm plinth
oof
ionic fern
Gimme that hc quest.
warm plinth
Dungeon weekly too so you can get a heroic raid piece there as well, 402-411
ionic fern
Know what would be even greater?
IF I COULD GIVE MY ALTS ALL THE CONCENTRADE PRIMAL INFUSIONS AND CRAFDT 421 GEAR FOR THEM.
daring marlin
ionic fern
Is Blizzard like a corrupt government cause we keep paying them and they keep ignoring us?
daring marlin
crude notch
To answer your question because I actually love you @ionic fern
ionic fern
Aah, thank you.
crude notch
And that's where the dungeon quests usually are.
crude notch
most haven't lol
warm plinth
To answer your question because I actually love you <@238357283996696576>
My friend, what are you implying
crude notch
edgy venture
just wanna say I appreciate all of you in #protection
cerulean tusk
edgy venture
Yall so nice and funny.
warm plinth
warm plinth
oof
warm plinth
we for sure dorfin it now
edgy venture
you know what's another word for dwarf?
dawi
you know what's pretty close to dawi? darling
warm plinth
👀
cerulean tusk
That is going into the book.
edgy venture
The book of grudges?
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Not knowing. That is going into the book.
edgy venture
Well time for me to rework my UI.
I was thinking of going with a terminal kind of look.
(not terminally ill I'm fine)
this kind of terminal
edgy venture
you're welcome to tty into my terminal if you know what i mean
warm plinth
😂
vivid orchid
ugh
warm plinth
I got a slim jim as a snack and didn't realize it was gonna be spicy. So I'm gonna regret that later.
edgy venture
me having to play WoW through VPN because ISP is shitting itself for the past few weeks (or Blizzard accidentally fucked them over in the DDoS incident)
jagged pier
Yall so nice and funny.
thats not the usual feedback 
edgy venture
thats not the usual feedback <:detective:912341312907378689>
can i get a manager here
this man is being unacceptably rude
ionic fern
can i get a manager here
Whaddup.
ionic fern
@jagged pier , good job buddy. Never accept love, it's weakness.
edgy venture
ionic fern
We only accept people arguing without any real reason/proof and calling us bad and stating that we don't know anything.
crude notch
The is the May.
edgy venture
make love not war 😠 😠 😠 😠 💢 💢 💢 💢
crude notch
https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-boo...
You don't know anything
ionic fern
Making love causes war because wars are fought by people and people are born from making love. Hense love = war.
jagged pier
TRUE
ionic fern
https://tenor.com/view/sf-gif-22629902
What is that and what is he mumbling?
crude notch
Pallies are so salty that people mentioned the strength of Paladins in their Should and Shouldn't articles.
It's so cute.
crude notch
Yea
vivid orchid
theyre a... sensistive bunch
crude notch
Pallies are calling all the writers petty. It's so funny and ironic.
austere sleet
I think the only tank not to mention them so far, was Guardian druid, and I'm guessing that's cause Pumps was running out of character limit with all the other issues to write about
edgy venture
What is that and what is he mumbling?
he is an edgelord from the hit show boruto's dad
crude notch
it's just not one of his bullet points.
ionic fern
Just goes to show how majority of people skip any reasoning/logic and only look at the "TL;DR".
Also the reason why we have the "BUT R1 R.IO AND MY FAVOURITE STREAMER IS USING OTHER TALENTS".
jagged pier
i loved how at the start everyone was complaining because the top ios werent running out talent builds in the pins
austere sleet
when he literally does
in the Guardian Why/Why Not?
jagged pier
then like down the lline they all started playing them because they were the best talents
vivid orchid
gee I wonder why
jagged pier
but no we were wrong for suggesting the talents because the top ios werent running them
crude notch
in the Guardian Why/Why Not?
yes he goes over final stand, spellwarding, word of glory, etc.
Just like with his State of Guardian article mid season 1 when he compared everything in Bear kit to PWar
jagged pier
yer u see its funny cause ppl were dropping that, and still doing less damage than me in normal talents
crude notch
Which is fine, but people acted like he doesn't do it
austere sleet
I mean there's a stark difference between "final stand is a strong cooldown" while listing other classes abilities that are superior to guardians, versus entire sections dedicated to "Paladin is way too busted"
warm plinth
Tbh I did get a chuckle out of the paladin cries in some of the articles, especially Mandl's because when they tried to nerf BDK in SL, BDKs lost their actual minds and Blizzard went back on it 😂
crude notch
Did you actually read the sections because what Mandl and Llarold did were no different from Pumps.
austere sleet
Okay hahahaha
crude notch
they were literally asked to compare
austere sleet
I mean....you say pump uses more words, but I copied the header of the paladin section from pwarr
crude notch
and then people complain when they compare
foggy wigeon
I mean hey you get more clicks if you stir some drama no ? 😄
cerulean tusk
It is bad writing or dramalama, I bet on the writing being bad
warm plinth
Some writing is bad, for sure. There's no denying that some spec writers can't write for shit
austere sleet
I agree Paladin is busted, the specs boring too. But trying to say that pumps said the same as the others when pumps compared druid to every tank spec, and brew/pwarr/blood directly call out Paladin
warm plinth
But if you really wanna see a beautifully put together guide, go look at Wordup's wowhead guide lol.
warm plinth
It's gorgeous
crude notch
like what's the logic
cerulean tusk
Well, the worst is the lowbar
austere sleet
pwarr could say what they have that brew doesn't, vica versa, blood could talk about not having rally, nobody does
crude notch
"But we're better than Druid" is not something you put in why you SHOULDN"T play a spec
austere sleet
"But we're better than Druid" is not something you put in why you SHOULDN"T play...
if only the article was you Should and Shouldn't
austere sleet
apparently no-one reads the articles at all, except for Paladins opening it up and hitting Ctrl + F "Paladin"
warm plinth
I don't think, personally, that a should/shouldnt article should be based on what other specs bring really. Like you can say oh my spec doesn't bring this as a shouldn't, but it shouldn't literally be "this spec is better"
crude notch
I don't think, personally, that a should/shouldnt article should be based on wha...
BUT THEY WERE ASKED TO
people are complaining because they did what they were ASKED TO
austere sleet
chill jordan
foggy wigeon
I mean while comparing specs is probably not the most sound way it can kinda help with decesion making for people to see how the different tanks perform 101 in comparison to one another, not just really utility but also just general perfomance
warm plinth
Like it should be hey this is the cool parts of the spec, but these are why you might not want to play it
Who asked them to
crude notch
Commentors from their S1 WHy you should and shouldn't
"Yeah but how do you compare to the best tank"
crude notch
chill jordan
that's constructive gj
austere sleet
Can't wait til whole articles are based entirely around what people have commented
warm plinth
So you are assuming they all wrote their articles based on a comment from an article from the start of the season?
That would be weird.
cerulean tusk
Apparently so
austere sleet
that's constructive gj
back at you
cerulean tusk
I think author was just being salty and/or a bad writer
crude notch
one comment?
no
Because we're not the strongest tank is a perfectly valid why you shouldn't
Contrary to popular belief not EVERYONE plays the game 40 hours a week
warm plinth
Who said they did?
austere sleet
then they could just say that, instead they type out a giant rant on why Paladin is OP
cerulean tusk
What does playtime got to do with anything?
foggy wigeon
While i see your point jordan i dont think it shouldnt just be dedicated to just how the performance compares to "the best tank" but more how it kinda stands overall between every other tanks so you have a gradient instead of just a target to whine about like "but why isnt my spec that etc."