Are you suggesting that gearing is the same now as it was 19 years ago?
#protection
warm plinth
crude notch
Not remotely
warm plinth
Because that is not remotely true lol
crude notch
but this game has never been get gear on your alt with no time investment
warm plinth
The game never had M+ either, until it did.
And you can't say Blizzard hasn't realized that people want to play alts, because they ARE making changes that are geared toward making alts more accessible.
ionic fern
They would do it way faster if their subscription model was based on time spent in game rather than monthly.
crude notch
Just because it's been like that for 19 years doesn't mean it's been good.
Then why are you playing a game you are admitting isn't good
Like what?
warm plinth
He didn't say the game wasn't good...
ionic fern
Then why are you playing a game you are admitting isn't good
.....
Stop making up stupid assumptions.
We are discussing alts and how to make it more accessible.
warm plinth
We are not talking about WoW as a whole here lol. We play the game because we like the game.
We are talking about a specific part of the game.
hardy snow
the only thing that was lacking for alts last season are gear chests for valor that we had in SL
warm plinth
Account-wide valor upgrades as well. Which we unfortunately only had for one season.
sinful copper
The primalist gear and being able to use them for catalyst charges was amazing for alts. That was the best, as well as sparks.... But sparks could've been improved if concentrated primal focus was BOA
wanton dome
uh
crude notch
Could not imagine pugging into someone who was handed free max ilvl gear because the game is now more alt friendly
ionic fern
Account-wide valor upgrades as well. Which we unfortunately only had for one se...
Best thing is that WoW's a subscription based game when most other MMO's are one time purchase. So we are just paying for them to ignore us.
warm plinth
Yeah, basically
wanton dome
yeah but if you did that over weeks that time to gear gets cut down alot
crude notch
That comment isn't just loot related for people that swear up and down this conversation is only about gearing alt
warm plinth
yes because pugging into that same person with shit gear is obviously a better experience right
ionic fern
Could not imagine pugging into someone who was handed free max ilvl gear because...
That's what's happening right now with R.io and raid boosts.
🤷
crude notch
It's like if I went to McDonald's and complained that they keep using the same shitty buns
wanton dome
I think you severely devalue the process and satisfaction of getting an uppy by just auto collecting on alts
warm plinth
It's like if I went to McDonald's and complained that they keep using the same s...
What? No it's not at all. If they had shitty buns, I just wouldn't eat McDonald's because it's not a good product if half of it is shit. If alts aren't accessible, I can still enjoy my main, but I'll be disappointed that I can't enjoy my alt as well. The content is still fun; I'm just disappointed that I can't enjoy more of it.
edgy venture
ooo we arguing if game bad count me in
warm plinth
No, we're not
warm plinth
We are specifically talking about the alt gearing experience.
warm plinth
Anyway, I need to finish up at work so I can go home. Talk to you all in a bit.
wanton dome
Id say alts are accessible more than ever in 10.7 you could be 400 ilvl with 4 set in afew hour
edgy venture
all I want for Christmas is account wide legacy reps and timewalking badges
then I'd play alts
crude notch
lol
crude notch
@warm plinth @ionic fern I think my problem is if i felt the way you guys did about alt gearing progression I wouldn't play the game because it's a big thing to me where it's probably not as much for you guys to the point of quitting the game
ionic fern
Sure, different people enjoy/expect different things from what they spend free time on.
And it's completely fine.
warm plinth
Well I don't think I'm quite as far as Mwahi as far as just wanting to basically be handed the gear. Frankly at this point I'd just like them to reduce the number of dungeons needed to max your crests because even for one toon I don't think I can max them every week.
crude notch
Yeah, that was my bad, I wasn't considering where we individually placed something like taht in importance
ionic fern
Well I don't think I'm quite as far as Mwahi as far as just wanting to basically...
Okay..but..what if you could farm dungeons on your main..get crests..send them to alts.
Easy.
Done.
warm plinth
That would also be nice, but I am referring to even being able to get enough on my main
ionic fern
Ah,je.
crude notch
i think the crest upgrade discount should be account wide
ionic fern
warm plinth
I think that would be good, and would at least make me feel like an end was in sight when I'm getting them on my main
fast edge
Should I be race changing my warrior right now
yes
crude notch
Or heck give a date like the catalyst to where the upgrade discount is account wide
ionic fern
Should I be race changing my warrior right now
Yes.
warm plinth
Aren't they on sale right now actually
crude notch
what is your warrior currently?
warm plinth
what is your warrior currently?
He's troll
I was considering going to dwarf because I love their heritage armor
and because I can still have my guild repairs now 😅
fast edge
For visibility idk - I race changed from Goblin to Tauren, haven't noticed a visibility difference. If anything, slightly harder to see the ground
ionic fern
That one's on Rasz tbh @jagged pier
jagged pier
fast edge
For DPS - when I simmed (but 10.0), I think the better your gear, the more of a lead troll gets. The lower your gear, the more of a lead Orc gets. And in-between was Tauren.
warm plinth
Well, see what had happened was
prime verge
uhm beserking gives haste duh
crude notch
I'm lowkey thinking of race changing to Tauren cause it's easier to see in raids...
It's the only reason i use grizzlemaw for bear
warm plinth
He was originally vulpera, and I didn't like it. And I was fury at the time so troll was good
But I don't really like troll either. I just changed to it because it had a good racial and I'm not playing a blood elf any time I can help it.
prime verge
also hi hello im new to warrior I dont wanna be worthless and can read a book and a half on the class and never understand it anyone mind giving some helpful knowledge out
Trolls are dumb their feet are dumb
warm plinth
Trolls are dumb their feet are dumb
Can confirm troll feet be dumb
buoyant drift
is that Frostfire belt really that good for Prot in season 2?
ionic fern
Yes.
warm plinth
You forgot the period Jakey
ionic fern
And capital letter.
jagged pier
my brain doesnt work with grammer
warm plinth
XD
prime verge
secondary dumb feet
jagged pier
like literally actually doesnt
warm plinth
well, you know what, I think that the purpose of language is to communicate and be understood, so as long as someone knows what you said, who gives a single fuck about grammar
jagged pier
well, you know what, I think that the purpose of language is to communicate and ...
the school system cared :nodders:
ionic fern
well, you know what, I think that the purpose of language is to communicate and ...
⛈️ 👏
ionic fern
well, you know what, I think that the purpose of language is to communicate and ...
If someone writes me an official email and doesn't know proper punctuation and types like a 3rd grader i instantly assume the worst of them.
prime verge
its the first sign as spam
ionic fern
prime verge
ijs
ionic fern
We got a nodder.
prime verge
oh wait
warm plinth
Yes but it's a think nodder, not a passionately affirmative nodder
warm plinth
If someone writes me an official email and doesn't know proper punctuation and t...
Yeah in an official setting, you have grammar check
Anger is a type of passion
prime verge
he looks kinda mad
warm plinth
Semantics
prime verge
true
warm plinth
Oooh I can get 3 faction changes for $42 righ tnow
ionic fern
Being ANgry and nodding in confirmation is what your girl usually looks like when they tell you "Yes, sure, go out".
warm plinth
LOL
True
But what if @crude notch is trying to go out with their friends and I want to be mad but supportive at the same time
prime verge
OK all this shenanigans but like
also hi hello im new to warrior I dont wanna be worthless and can read a book and a half on the class and never understand it anyone mind giving some helpful knowledge out
I can't heal as a warrior sadly I think they should be able to give foot to chest recessitation
warm plinth
Well, as Mwahi said earlier, you need to be more specific. Like have you played it at all and you're noticing issues that we can help with?
prime verge
Sorry i missed that
Outside of procs how often in a raid or mythic with lower than normal gear should I been using suppress pain, is that my main spender or should I be using revenge and execute more
ionic fern
Ignore Pain should be treated as a rage dump.
Or in preparation for bigger hits.
Your main goal is to generate as much rage as possible while avoiding overcapping any.
prime verge
That's moreso something I should be using on busters?
Or should I try to keep 100% uptime?
ionic fern
You use it for big hits, but also rotationally.
If Shield Slam is off cooldown,and would overcap your rage, you IP.
If Shield Slam is off cooldown, and would not overcap your rage, you can either Ip OR revenge.
Ignore Pain is not on the global cooldown, so you can use it between other abilities.
ionic fern
As i said.
You use it to avoid rage capping.
If you are playing properly, you will have a lot of rage which leads to you pressing IP more to avoid overcapping Rage.
prime verge
OK but shield slam is a generator o.o
prime verge
Yeah!
ionic fern
Shield Block is your main mitigation tool and should be kept up as much as possible while actively tanking.
prime verge
Okay, sorry my closest to this class is black guard from aor
ionic fern
Shield Slam->Thunder Clap to generate rage rotationally.
Revenge/Ignore Pain to dumb rage either offensively or defensively. When playing properly, you will have enough for both.
Shield Block to be kept up at all times when actively tanking.
prime verge
Okay thank you, I feel like I'm missing some uptime on my shield block am I missing something and leaves me without it?
warm plinth
idk, post your build here
pallid quiver
Are you at max level? If so, post build. If not, you may be missing talents
prime verge
Sorry I'm a dumb drunk American and just dinged the real game
I pulled raid st and Mt from wow head
jagged pier
👀
prime verge
Like wet behind the ears as a mother fucker
crude notch
We get that
But in order for a conversation to progress you need to respond to people
Generally speaking that's how conversations work.
prime verge
I'm trying I feel like a little white girl in the meme
crude notch
bro
prime verge
,_,
crude notch
Are you max level?
prime verge
Yep
crude notch
Post your build?
prime verge
One sec on my phone wair
warm plinth
JORDAN, I AM BECOMING DORF.
prime verge
I can copy paste off online
BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIkEAAAAIJJSSCSLpkkkWDRgUUEQJJBIikkQDJJA4AhAAAAAAAARAAKaAgA
pallid quiver
also, ghash, tell me a bed time story
crude notch
JORDAN, I AM BECOMING DORF.
pallid quiver
i failed to sleep
warm plinth
Okay that is the ST raid build it looks like
prime verge
Build wow heads st ran in dungeon and I missed something I guess I don't feel comfy enough to build my own yet
warm plinth
You should not run that in dungeons
prime verge
It wasn't heroic I just wanted to test me
See where I thought I fucked up
I'm guessing there is a lot more
warm plinth
BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEBAAAASSSkkg0SKJJpUQEIUkIRJJBgQSCNkkgAECAAAAAAAEBAoUaAgA This is the key build you should be using until you get 2pc of the new tier
prime verge
Should I use the shit I uave left over from my old paly for the old set until then I think I have 3 or so before I quit?
I quit after my guild died
I think I can have the old 2 piece at least
I I will copy that ty stop
fervent smelt
Just got lucky with Diurna of the chosen ring with the tw reward.
What do you get to proc fire ?
I still have 3 S1 spark left
crude notch
Frostfire Belt
vivid orchid
frostfire belt
fervent smelt
Doest proc fire does it ?
vivid orchid
s1 sparks are not needed unless you have a completed infusion also
fervent smelt
Frost fire ? both ?
vivid orchid
yes. both, as it says
fervent smelt
Thank you.
fervent smelt
s1 sparks are not needed unless you have a completed infusion also
Isn't it better to use S1 spark rather than wait next week and use the season 2 one ?
warm plinth
You'd still have to use the S2 one eventually
vivid orchid
no spark and s1 spark are the same ilvl
you can just recraft later
s1 spark is only needed if you still hve unused infusions
fervent smelt
Oh, to get season 2 ilvl I'll use a spark no matter what. Got you
vivid orchid
yes the new sparks
warm plinth
no spark and s1 spark are the same ilvl
Really?
vivid orchid
aye
vivid orchid
395 is what it caps out at, unless you have an infusion to boost it
warm plinth
Gotcha, so 3 ilevel just like the top stuff
vivid orchid
yep
vivid orchid
im not certain whether you can make one with the defunct chaos
warm plinth
Yeah flightstones are basically primal chaos
Oh, s1 items don't use anything now
I don't think
prime verge
Wait it says i have 0/8 :/
crude notch
0/8 what
crude notch
yes because catalyst is down
vivid orchid
yea the base items dont require sparks or anything
prime verge
from
sorrh
this S1 this expac
i've seen where they break shit up like tiers in a season
:/ I got into this when i was over seas
and it was incredibly awesome for a time sinc
crude notch
I love when I'm talking to a drunk person and I'm the one that ends up feeling like I'm drunk.
crude notch
I think it's time to cease chief
prime verge
Ehh probs the best but momma ain't raise no quitter
either way thank you all so fucking much
you guys are awesome went from roasting someone to a dime on helping me. thank you all I'll not be ass eventually
well at least over 45% parse with what i gained tonight 😄
if i keep this going ill maybe one day hit a 50%
❤️
potent gulch
any1 checked if it is sim bait or it is realy that good?
crude notch
No one is too worried about it because you'll be getting far higher ilvl stuff soon enough
hollow shard
eyyo guys, done a few sims and wondering why people say they want to craft the frostfire belt? isnt double shadowflame always more dmg?
potent gulch
No one is too worried about it because you'll be getting far higher ilvl stuff s...
it is trinket.
and it sims higher then any heroic raid trinkets ;>
crude notch
Well then run it and find out lol
ionic fern
eyyo guys, done a few sims and wondering why people say they want to craft the f...
Last i checked double shadowflame was simming lower than frostfire+shadowflame. Idk if there's any DR schenanigans going on or what.
dry spear
erm that trinket is really kinds good?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ow9FqWifwRUYHHdcUwKRPs
outsimmed a spiteful storm mythic.
hollow shard
but i mean if its less dmg and crafts from last season dont matter, why bother with a worse item?
single target or aoe?
and in aoe?
edgy venture
just be a goblin haste solved 
hollow shard
biggest part is flexibility tho! what about gettin a belt in vault?
i mean, if its equall why shouldnt i just go with an embelishment that can be put on more than 1 slot?
potent gulch
erm that trinket is really kinds good?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ow...
it sims crazy. need to check in game
ionic fern
i mean, if its equall why shouldnt i just go with an embelishment that can be pu...
Do it then?
No one's stopping you.
hollow shard
Do it then?
thanks for that tip 😗
ionic fern
From my initial sims it was lower, hence why i suggested it as i did.
dry spear
it sims crazy. need to check in game
i did. crits for like 120k.
i'm gonna hit ST dummy for 5 min now and will see
crude notch
i'm sure that'll give proper results
hollow shard
From my initial sims it was lower, hence why i suggested it as i did.
didnt want to assault your work man, just wondering why people say its good cause at first glance it simmed worse for me and was looking for a conversation. Sorry mate!
:**
fervent smelt
Haste/vers on crafted item won't change in S2 right?
No better secondary stats ?
crude notch
I heard if you don't follow Mwahi's guides you're guaranteed to not time 72% of your keys.
fervent smelt
no vers or just crit on crafted ?
Counting on the crit for heal instead of dr of vers ?
jagged pier
Counting on the crit for heal instead of dr of vers ?
no the ver wont save u, crit is not only our best offensive stat its actually our best defesnive stat over a key because you will parry more damaage than they vers will ever stop
and parry certain boss mechanics as well
albeit rng
but if u want to go vers u can
its a preference
fervent smelt
It's good to know, I haven't done much with my prot during S1 so I'm a bit lost with the changes. I had haste/vers on my crafted sword
dry spear
well it does good dmg.
long stone
The Trinket is only quest ?
dry spear
it is in a chest somewhere too
"old trunk" is the name
or maybe with luck in the 5 hc dungeon quest reward
potent gulch
you wont get mythic portal or nelt (which isn't that far away from fist) on progress ;>
crude notch
Well obviously
But it's called a BiS list for a reason.
Otherwise you follow typical guidelines
Of sim yourself.
ionic fern
didnt want to assault your work man, just wondering why people say its good caus...
Oh, no need to apologize. My sims are done with the T30 profile for prot warrior.
Sims are ALWAYS dependant on your current gear options etc.
crude notch
No one is going to go out of their way to make a "what if my options are only heroic loot" list.
Mwahi might, I heard he's a freak like that.
hollow shard
If thats true than blizz did a fkn great job at balancing;)
true, but atleast two of them are comparable=) baby steps
the shadowflame recipe is very rare tho right?
therefore availability and gold cost is a factor
seems like your playin wow like most people are playin path of exile=) 20% playing and 80% calculating stuff
drifting pecan
Guys how well is packed the amulet in this season for raid and m+? Still really good to use?
jagged pier
yes
fervent smelt
About 6% dmg fomr ring+belt, it that normal ? Seems a bit low.
This is on heroic so might bit too short of a fight.
Interestingly I seem to have better proc on single target
jagged pier
thats like 1 SS worth of damage
but they buffed the belt
and if u have the ring your going to be running it pretty much
so thats also what u have to consider in what gear to take
cant proc ring with that gear
so u can replace the ring
sure but is that 50/50
generally have no diea
if its procs ither shadow or fire damage
will probably proc the ring less
if its both then what ever
warm plinth
It procs both. It's shadowflame damage, which would be one proc but count for both elements.
edgy venture
if its procs ither shadow or fire damage
My guess would be both since when warlocks cast shadowflame they get locked out of both schools
warm plinth
Same way frostfire belt does frostfire damage but still procs the ring
fervent smelt
Taht mean teh belt + shadowfflame enchant on weapon is procing the ring ?
edgy venture
there's a shadowflame enchant???
warm plinth
Yes
But both that and the patch are very rare drops from end raid bosses, so probably gonna be kinda pricy to get them at first
the recipes for them I mean
fervent smelt
Why dont I see the ring proc ?
jagged pier
it might but when u double wep enchants they are literally x2
so doubling the same emblishment i would presume work the same
but again its blizz
who knows
🤷
fervent smelt
Probably just the enchant so we can get a second embilishement ?
hardy snow
you can also try sim fire gem in annulet for more Seal procs
edgy venture
I don't have ring just the belt so I guess I'm good
warm plinth
You would have to consider the weapon enchant too, if we end up running that
Since that's also shadowflame damage
fervent smelt
Thank you and good night
hollow shard
good night man and thanks for your inputs!
vocal mica
Nice, y’all’s heritage armor is well done
hardy snow
You would have to consider the weapon enchant too, if we end up running that
forgestorm (if someone manages to get it) does fire as well
edgy venture
good thing I never got the ring
hardy snow
good thing I never got the ring <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
I wont be surprised if people will be running Eranog to get it still in S2 XD
edgy venture
If it's better than just a higher ilvl ring then yeah I guess
jagged pier
well atm i think it still sims highest at T30 gear
ionic fern
Also, dorf time
I hate how Dwarf shields clip into shoulders.
warm plinth
Yeah :/ it's not ideal
edgy venture
well atm i think it still sims highest at T30 gear
o k
jagged pier
greiftorch will still be best prog trinket as well
cause when ppl start dying
more use out of it
edgy venture
you think I have grieftorch 
jagged pier
F
shell mortar
Has there been a stealth buff to pwarr health? I just randomly have 180k more health
jagged pier
no not a stealth buff
jagged pier
yes
shell mortar
I'm dumb
edgy venture
shell mortar
Was so confused for a second when I logged on my warr
edgy venture
ngl I wouldn't notice it unless I read it somewhere
jagged pier
it make sno difference all the change has done is make healers weaker
jagged pier
even tho i did a key to test scaling and it felt the same, even tho that healing felt weaker it was because the healer was weakish
so i dunno
🤷
but then again only like 20ish ilvls behind max gear from next tier
so the jump is smaller than start of season 1
sick sentinel
only health number that means anything at all is 0 / abc,xyz
edgy venture
I moved to Linux recently and I started from scratch on my UI (not because I didn't save it, but because I wanted to )
fervent smelt
I moved to Linux recently and I started from scratch on my UI (not because I did...
Good choice 😄
With the catalyst gone, it's impossible to get a S1 tier set ? Beside doing raid I imagine
warm plinth
I believe you're intended to still be able to convert S1 gear to tier, but they bunked it and you'll have to wait until the catalyst is open again
hardy snow
there was some bluepost or something, that later they want to add some option to get old transmogs via catalyst, but only for transmog purposes
fervent smelt
I didn't have any tier set on my warrior, gonna be hard on the first few weeks to do higher keys I guess
hardy snow
I didn't have any tier set on my warrior, gonna be hard on the first few weeks t...
S1 tier set isnt that strong
unreal arrow
What do people think about playing without ravenger? I really dislike the ability
sick sentinel
hearthstone was unironically really, really good, for like, i dunno, the first year or 2
strong forum
What do people think about playing without ravenger? I really dislike the abilit...
objectively one of our best talents
you can obv play without it, its not detrimental
but youre losing a good 5% dmg and a good chunk of rage gen
sick sentinel
whenever they added in a bunch of dumb mage shit was when i started to loose interest and i quit by time the secondary arena mode was added
i was even buying card packs for hearthstone for a while
unreal arrow
That is a big chunk tbf 😦
jagged pier
the question is what else would u take instead of rav as well?
strong forum
easiest way to deal with "dont like ravager"
is macro it with @stoic erminesor or @player
jagged pier
poor cur man
strong forum
that way you dont have the dumb confirmation circle
jagged pier
runic hatch
Hey, are the old catalyst charges gone with the new patch?
marble cipher
Yup
sick sentinel
of course they are
runic hatch
Yeah it makes sense, just making sure
sick sentinel
no reason we might ever want to keep some of them /s
sick sentinel
move onto the new thing is right, yeah, sure, i get it, but its still alive
runic hatch
But it's going to be replaced anyway so I don't really care
crude notch
You'll be able to still do it for mog in the future, but beyond that, no point really.
sick sentinel
i think the time to scrap old stuff introduced in the new expansion is at end of expansion, but whatever
runic hatch
Yeah, I don't mind it that much, but I get it
hardy snow
is macro it with <@221651635217104906>sor or @player
that would be "/cast ravager [@player]" or something else?
strong forum
/cast [@player] ravager
It'll then always send it to your feet
I prefer cursor so I can send it into a pack/boss before I charge
jagged pier
^
toxic pewter
Can’t wait to be niffen warr
long stone
Can someone explain Why „everyone“ say crafted molten sword is better than the crafted 1h axe ?
long chasm
Hey, are the old catalyst charges gone with the new patch?
If you hang onto s1 gear when next tier catalyst comes out you can swap your s1 to vault tier set for free. Just for tmog I heard on a vid
long stone
it isnt they are the same
Ok i thought so 😂
slim dove
Can someone explain Why „everyone“ say crafted molten sword is better than the c...
early expac it was easier to find recrafters/crafters for swordsd
thats all really.
long stone
Lul ok 👌 .. and the thing about the helm is Just crafted molten Helm + shafowflame emb. On it Right ?
long stone
they crafted swords cause all the guides said sword were best
I went axe … couse… orc ! 😄
slim dove
they crafted swords cause all the guides said sword were best
well sword spec had the largest class pool to craft for i think?
toxic pewter
Yah 1h sword def used more than 1h axe and 1h mace
hazy bronze
You're also forgetting the tmog bonus
strong forum
Can someone explain Why „everyone“ say crafted molten sword is better than the c...
I crafted axe cuz I'm edgy like that 😎
toxic pewter
I like the hitting sound of maces the most personally
strong forum
I've not played with sound turned on since legion
toxic pewter
I dunno I still like playing with sound it’s more immersive
Are you listening to music and stuff when you play I guess
toxic pewter
Right
runic hatch
I mostly playing with sound, and my music (not game), and voice at the same time. it can get a bit much, but volume is key!
hardy snow
Can someone explain Why „everyone“ say crafted molten sword is better than the c...
because sword looks better than some baseball bat or tree axe 
hazy hazel
So if I'm understanding this correctly, there is a cap on any of these crests fragments you can acquire?
craggy pilot
can i get this higher ilvl now?
jagged pier
no
craggy pilot
wtf 🤔 didnt know i had to choose...
i guess its a 415 piece vs an upgrade token which can go to 424?
jagged pier
the piece itself can be upgraded
craggy pilot
or is the token kinda troll since i cant really use it yet?
craggy pilot
oh theres a limited amount of crests pr week?
craggy pilot
ah, so i need 150 fragments from random sources?
craggy pilot
does it have catchup?
jagged pier
yer its like valour
craggy pilot
ah cool
jagged pier
theres a season cap
craggy pilot
but its an item in my bag right? not a currency tab thing
jagged pier
yes
craggy pilot
ah so i need a WA or some shit to calculate the cap maybe 😄
jagged pier
hover over the fragments in your bag
craggy pilot
oh have no fragments on this toon aparently 😄
jagged pier
reagants bag
dusky canopy
Man idk if all the changes this week are supposed to feel good or not but in my experience they suck balls
Maybe it’s just because they came out on a fort raging week
jagged pier
i mean i felt fine
jagged pier
like the jump in ilvl wont be as much as S1
dusky canopy
Shits trucking
craggy pilot
what changes happened? 🤔
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s fair
plush tendon
yea, felt fine; but healers are 100% less strong this week with the increased healthpools and damage dealt
dusky canopy
25%hp to us and 25% dam to mobs
craggy pilot
oh that one ye
plush tendon
so its noticeable, but not like 'omg, this game is unplayable and I cant do this'
craggy pilot
only thing i struggled a bit in was the bleed on Crawth in AA
plush tendon
especially if you pull like a monkey like me 🙂
dusky canopy
I agree with that I mean we completed the run but sheesh
craggy pilot
but idk i was likely rotating my CDs like shit
errant leaf
Rip aa ull be missed
plush tendon
not sure how I feel about the incoming DF dungeons yet
they finally got the previous 4 right (especially AV)
crude notch
If you're basing it solely on your health bar it's gonna "appear" that you're in more danger, but part of it is also healers needing to adjust.
plush tendon
and now we gotta start that process all over again
errant leaf
Im scared tbh
dusky canopy
It probably didn’t help that I so happen to be with a disc priest
They’re effected the most
plush tendon
Im scared tbh
im not scared... more like.... can we just get nicely tuned dungeons on pull rather then 3 months of tuning knobs?
dusky canopy
Well supposedly idk much about healers
crude notch
im not scared... more like.... can we just get nicely tuned dungeons on pull rat...
Reality is no and it's foolish to ever expect it.
plush tendon
Reality is no and it's foolish to ever expect it.
pretty much
crude notch
I'm fine with 3 months of tuning knobs.
plush tendon
zenith sky
Axe>Mace>Sword for Dwarf
I think you forgot pickaxe > all!
hardy snow
hover over the fragments in your bag
yeaaa about that... 😄
im not gonna complain if I can get 21 more this week 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
aint got online this week neither besides do 5 TW
south wind
The wowhead page for gear lists monk tier for leg slot 😛
crude notch
The wowhead page for gear lists monk tier for leg slot 😛
@candid path DAD, there's an oopsie.
fervent smelt
I made the mistake to take the crest 😦
candid path
dang it
south wind
I just hovered it randomly and looked away and looked back and saw the word Brewmaster lol was funny
urban bane
ah yes surely a sign we must reroll brew 
candid path
not the worst idea, honestly
dusty basin
is there a consensus for the first spark already: the belt or a weapon?
jagged pier
dont 👏 rush 👏 sparks
candid path
although Warrior's still pretty good now that the tier is not garbo
jagged pier
it wasted on wep for sure as the mace from nels is insane
plush tendon
is there a consensus for the first spark already: the belt or a weapon?
my first is gonna be a shield
dusty basin
it wasted on wep for sure as the mace from nels is insane
got you, alright
dusty basin
ofc
plush tendon
primal molten with that shadowflame thingy embellishment
plush tendon
why not?
kind estuary
yeah why not?
dusky canopy
Yeah put shadowflame embellish on it there’s no reason not to. You can recraft later to put it on a better slot if needed
dusky canopy
This is assuming you have a replacement neck for s1 lariat
jagged pier
well theres a 450 shield from raid
plush tendon
yea, but its from the second to last boss
jagged pier
so putting on something u gunna replace seems a meh
plush tendon
I aint getting there anytime soon
dusky canopy
Yes but 99% of players in this chat won’t get that shield
So recommend the next best option
Witch is 447 crafted shield
With or without shadowflame
uneven mason
is there a consensus for the first spark already: the belt or a weapon?
I did day 1 belt because I won't replace it with a raid or m+ item
kind estuary
yeah the 450 shield from raid is like months away for most people
plush tendon
tru
dusky canopy
If you must you can always recraft it a few days after reset when someone gets the shadowflame to drop on your server
plush tendon
I have a feeling first week or so, the price tag for shadowflame is gonna be massive
ima just hope we get it to drop in raid
and then have a guildie supply the guild 🙂
urban bane
i made shield of hearth at the start of xpac cause i was antsy and sunk cost fallacy'd my way into still having it now :( cant wait to ditch that thing
hardy snow
I have a feeling first week or so, the price tag for shadowflame is gonna be mas...
of course it will, best time to earn gold on some overhyped folks 😄
uneven mason
Of course now that I've said I wouldn't replace the belt they'll Nerf it
plush tendon
its also kind of insane that crafted gear can literally get to M+ 20 I level now
last tier it was 3 I levels lower then a +20 vault
hardy snow
thats good
urban bane
also crazy that normal gear can be upgraded to just 4 ilvls below heroic gear upgrade cap.
the new upgrade system is a little convoluted but gives a lot of value
plush tendon
yea, the new system has a lot to digest... but I've sort of just whittled it down to -> do content equal to your skill level, get upgrade currency, use upgrade currency on your preferred pieces
ionic roost
thats good
Depends on you're version of good
Streamlines so much of the game, you really have to enjoy playing to just play without rewards
plush tendon
.... yea, its good
if I cared about getting drops, id play classic; in retail, I just want to get good gear fast and start doing content
ionic roost
Well you don't get good gear fast
You get the easy to get gear faster
You keep the same ultra highs
Get more lows
And lose all small gains
plush tendon
I mean, being able to get a 447 crafted shield first week of the tier starting is pretty darn good
especially since the next best shield is off the second to last Mythic boss
if thats not fast good gear, idk what is
hardy snow
Depends on you're version of good
as long as crafting such strong gear is gated behind doing harder content its fine, it wouldnt be good if you could just craft 447 after doing 1 wing of LFR, and having it 3ilvl worse than GV gear makes crafting this gear kind of obsolete except two embelish items
uneven mason
its also kind of insane that crafted gear can literally get to M+ 20 I level now
The way it should be.
ionic roost
as long as crafting such strong gear is gated behind doing harder content its fi...
Idk if you think 1 16 and what like 4 11s is hard idk what to say
uneven mason
Like the upgrade system they've built is amazing, because trade skills haven't been end game relevant since what? TBC
jagged pier
thats hard for much more of th eplayer base than u think
having all 20s timed in S1 was top 7% of ppl who ran m+
ionic roost
thats hard for much more of th eplayer base than u think
Probably costs less than a token for a sale
crude notch
Definitely not week one.
plush tendon
yea, I dont judge what peoples key level is at; but its nice that those guys can get some decent loot from raid, crafed, and mythic plus and bump its i level a bit more
uneven mason
Can confirm 95% of players don't even do m+ because of the multiple barriers to entry
ionic roost
💳
earnest nymph
thats hard for much more of th eplayer base than u think
so many people don't understand this tbh
crude notch
Ruck just like do all your keys, if you can't do all your keys spend all the real life moneys.
jagged pier
your in like the top 10% of players by just being in this doscord
plush tendon
so many people don't understand this tbh
people who do keys live in a echo chamber, where all we talk about is keys (and Im 100 one of those peoples... cant even fathom not pushing keys as like a normal thing XD)
uneven mason
your in like the top 10% of players by just being in this doscord
You grossly overestimate my abilities
jagged pier
ppl in this discord more often then not find 20s easy
the fact is thats a tiny portion of the player base
ionic roost
your in like the top 10% of players by just being in this doscord
Okay but like just being level 70 puts you in the top 40%
earnest nymph
Okay but like just being level 70 puts you in the top 40%
we're talking about the top X% of key runners
jagged pier
this statement shows u have a very narrow very of the game, yes you do high content
but for a lot a lot of ppl
1 16 even 4 11s
are really really hard
plush tendon
jagged pier
jawor himself does high content
as i said most ppl that talk in here do. do high content
crude notch
Yo tossic.
jagged pier
its just what happens
earnest nymph
trust me when I say that +20 being the new loot cap for chests really brought a lot of those people into the 16-20 range that probably aren't capable of doing those keys. people that used to just deplete a weekly 15 for loot
hardy snow
as i said most ppl that talk in here do. do high content
Thats why most people join there, cause they want to get better and push higher content.
jagged pier
Thats why most people join there, cause they want to get better and push higher ...
u say most
its a very small %
and then most of the time we tell them they are wrong and then they argue
jagged pier
if u want to improve your better/ have a better mindset than most of the player base
crude notch
Yeah most players in the game don't care about improving (which btw is fine).
jagged pier
yer thats fine, its also fine to have a narrow very of the game. we all play in bubbles
uneven mason
Just have fun
jagged pier
and thats the game 'we' play
uneven mason
You're saying there's a game 3
crude notch
It's one thing to have a narrow view of the game, it's another thing to be condescending and smug about it.
uneven mason
That exists outside of the game
jagged pier
It's one thing to have a narrow view of the game, it's another thing to be conde...
yes
especially in a open public forum
uneven mason
crude notch
uneven mason
pastel willow
you get a new raid chest from the weekly from complete 5 heroic dung ?
timber terrace
It's literally useless you won't have that many upgrade tokens especially heroic and you'd rather keep that for 431 or 428 items from m+
pastel willow
😮 but the 415 item come from raid loot or just a random drop?
timber terrace
Generic wq like item
amber siren
you can get it to 424 this week for just flight stones, can be good for the first week(s) depending on the slot youre replacing
wide pilot
A lot of max mining for something ultimately will make no dif in ur gameplay
neon vigil
yo warriors, one question for first spark good recraft belt? or shield?
oak ivy
With the stam & damage numbers change, i didn't notice my IP being any bigger.. stealth pwar nerf? or did i just not pay enough attention
dusky canopy
I would advise taking the crest because the 415 item level piece has a lower cap than what you’d want
You’re better off getting a crest and sending it in a early piece next week
final mist
IP doesn't scale off stamina.
naive ravine
IP doesn't scale off stamina.
It does
If we press Last Stand our Max IP gets bigger, or am I wrong?
oak ivy
maybe scales on mainstat? idk im not at my pc atm to check but the patch notes do say they buffed IP by 25%
final mist
That's the cap for successive casts of IP.
daring marlin
If Jakey and I agree, you're all in trouble
wut'd I miss lol
final mist
IP itself scales off attack power and vers.
oak ivy
oooh.
uneven mason
So the 25% buff to IP was the "cast" to make it the same in relation to the cap
oak ivy
Gotcha
Cap scaled off of stamina increase, individual casts got buffed, should feel the exact same?
if i'm understanding this all right
naive ravine
The cap does, not ip itself
Ah thx
plush tendon
So with the upcoming 2/4 piece, we want to use last stand pretty much on CD right?
oak ivy
feels weird to make it an offensive
oak ivy
isn't the bigger part of it the shockwave?
oak ivy
inb4 we end up pre casting LS to have the after the fact buff going into a pull
uneven mason
So I believe no you don't cancel LS because it's a DPS loss due to the CDR and buffed ss DMG
oak ivy
oh right increased cdr while LS active
uneven mason
Double
oak ivy
ir's 2sec at base now yeah? so 4sec per?
uneven mason
So the shockwave feels very strange
plush tendon
4 seconds and 15% more SS dam I think
oak ivy
jeeba leeba
uneven mason
How many pulls last that long at high target count
oak ivy
it'll be hard to use perfectly i imagine
but it seems really strong relative to recent tier sets in general imo
plush tendon
So im thinking our opener is like rav->charge->SB->Avatar->Clap (aoe) SS (ST)->Demo->SC->Roar->Last Stand? or something like that?
uneven mason
Why would you LS after
strong forum
To not waste 2/3 globals before use SS again
But that's giga-min-max
In sim I use LS before SB which is obv before SS, after offensive CDs
uneven mason
Yeah that's what would feel natural to me
uneven mason
But you're right, it makes sense to hit LS after the GCD of offensive cds
But that's hellasweaty
strong forum
I send it before CDs if UF is talented for obv reasons in Sims
And in ST you'll do the same cuz you'll run UF
In m+ you can opt to send it after CDs, but if you send it 2/3gcds earlier you get the aoe SS dmg 2/3gcds earlier
That's literal microoptimisation with almost the same outcome in m+ without UF
dusky canopy
Wait you guys don’t just smack your forehead on the keyboard during your opener?
strong forum
No real diff between before or after cuz either you get more natural CD decay or more through 1 more SS in m+
dusky canopy
🤔
plush tendon
Ah, so Last Stand before Avatar and friends?
we can also throw a SB in there just to get a charge recharging right?
strong forum
Well the SB you should use ASAP cuz you actually take dmg
Compared to Sims where its not as relevant
SB is only used for dmg on Sims, which still results in 95%+ uptime obv
uneven mason
If we're running bolster
uneven mason
I mean, the CDR, I'm not sure it's a sizeable enough impact
Chances are you're going to have it for every other pull
balmy pawn
Two questions:
- What changed that Tepid Versatility is now the recommended Phial all the time vs. Glacial Fury?
- Is the generally accepted embellishment thing to do Shield (Shadowflame) / Unstable Frostfire Belt?
granite pond
for 2) it might be shield / crafted belt + shadow patch
balmy pawn
for 2) it might be shield / crafted belt + shadow patch
I think you are saying the same thing as me; embellishment slot 1 = Primal Molten Defender w/ Shadowflame Armor Patch, embellishment slot 2 = Unstable Frostfire Belt
balmy pawn
I think you are saying the same thing as me; embellishment slot 1 = Primal Molte...
Or am I misunderstanding?
granite pond
No, the idea is that it might end up being normal crafted shield + patch, not unstable frostfire
But I think the numbers aren't 100% in for it yet
icy bane
granite pond
err crafted belt
jagged pier
u shouldnt need to craft a new shield
just upgrade your old one
3 enchanted crests isnt it?
doesnt take a spark i believe
balmy pawn
u shouldnt need to craft a new shield
I think to upgrade anything to season 2 ilvl takes a spark
dusky canopy
Yeah going to a new season upgrade tier needs a spark as far as I know
Otherwise I think you could get one to 421 without a spark but I’m guessing, someone would have to confirm that
ember tangle
didn't all s1 crafted shit at 418 turn into 421?
daring marlin
affirmative
oak ivy
what trinkets are we excited for? splinter from brackenhide.. is all i can think of
brain small
plush tendon
the nuclear weapon from the last boss in the raid looks juicy
idle quartz
what trinkets are we excited for? splinter from brackenhide.. is all i can think...
Mostly raid trinks, I hear one of them os balling yho
oak ivy
easy pickings. i'm like the only 1h str user in our entire raid of casters, hunters, and agi melee xD
sick sentinel
Hello des war tank francais a 3k RIO?
prisma crane
what?
plush tendon
oak ivy
i think he's trying to communicate
urban portal
French 3k io tank?
prisma crane
maybe? but afaik they don't have a special version of the game 🙂
torn gulch
tu veux parler avec un 3k protection warrior?
prisma crane
unless just looking to see who is the best french player
torn gulch
with my limited french knowledge
sick sentinel
oui
torn gulch
yea he wants to speak with a 3k prot warrior
any 3k + rio warrior available, prefferably one that speaks french?
austere sleet
lariat that bad now?
prisma crane
lariat that bad now?
its just as good, but requires full gems now, which we wont have early S2
austere sleet
oh ive only just look recently
stiff bear
I barely ever tank, but think ill have to tank som guild keys next week, anyone got a good multipurpose build going into week 1 for keys? Have had the same one from DF release and thinking it probably is outdated 😛
uneven mason
"multi purpose"
Idk what you mean
Like theres nom's build in the pins
Which is what many of us run
stiff bear
That one is with set from next raid though?
multi purpos i mean might not be optimal for one specific key but works for most content
stiff bear
ok cool thanks!
fresh igloo
import code for the S1 M+ base build ( i think)
BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSSkkg0SKJJpUQEIUkIRJJBgQSQDJJIARCAAAAAAAEBAoUaAgA
stiff bear
thank you!
fresh igloo
but yeah once you get new tier bonus switch to the pinned build
uneven mason
I'm boycotting bolster on principle
left cave
sorry to ask this here but does anyone know why ranbdom ui elements are just frozen in time on my UI like a stamp?
i have to reload it to fix
things will be anywhere, in the corners etc
craggy pilot
try to ask in #ui-addons-manager or figure out what specific addon it is, and ask on that addons curse page
left cave
ok
craggy pilot
looks like either nameplates addon or bar addon
left cave
hmm
craggy pilot
a lot of addons are not updated yet since the new patch
left cave
yeah..
just random icons will just be anywhere
I just ran a normal RLP and then i see those in the middle of the screen, after leaving it
glass shale
Is prot still bis in raid?
craggy pilot
if you need a tank, and you have a warrior, prot works perfectly
jagged pier
i mean its where it always was middle of the pack
uneven mason
Is prot still bis in raid?
When was this a thing
jagged pier
for this expansion never
just ppl remeber it being overhyped at the start
even tho monk and bdk were actually better in raid
craggy pilot
we had Monk swap to PWarr because he was just horrible at playing Monk
so tier lists are not always the end all be all
uneven mason
just ppl remeber it being overhyped at the start
Oh yes the rage because they were looking at 
logs and thinking warriors were op
uneven mason
we had Monk swap to PWarr because he was just horrible at playing Monk
To be fair monk has like 27hotkeys, and warriors have...12?
uneven mason
ppl seem to forget that
Most people can't read logs for shit and understand DPS as the one metric to rule them all
glass shale
When was this a thing
In damage I meant
glass shale
Aight
proper roost
brm s2 aoe 
glass shale
I dont want to pick up a fight guys but I have over 1200+ Raz hc kills and I was r1 for months as prot war. With both equal mates playing prot and brm with me
I dont know which charts u are looking at but aight
uneven mason
K
jagged pier
max
oh look
druid still higher
99
95
do i go on
now lets look at council
craggy pilot
but he was Rank 1 bro
glass shale
jagged pier
i can look for .0.7
glass shale
5 pis and 3 faes barely beats
uneven mason
So toxic Jakey
jagged pier
u can pad on all difficulties
glass shale
I have more CE'S than you can count. All I wanted to learn was who was the possible highest dmg dealer tank was cuz I had to stay away for a while
jagged pier
and raz isnt really a good messure of dps
shrewd cedar
As Prot what shold my crafted items be? fire belt and what else? I have a flavor packet I wanna use too.
plush tendon
As Prot what shold my crafted items be? fire belt and what else? I have a flavor...
looks like people are gonna put the shadowflame on booties and maybe shield is a good spot to put a flavor packet
uneven mason
I have more CE'S than you can count. All I wanted to learn was who was the possi...
And we told you... and you argued
plush tendon
to me, crafted shield is wurf
uneven mason
to me, crafted shield is wurf
Noooooo
plush tendon
but this is not spark advice, just my thoughts
craggy pilot
is the new shield any worth? did anyone test? 🤔
plush tendon
nooo primal molten shield wurf
uneven mason
No we legit told you, and you played the "but I'ma chas rk1"
plush tendon
new shield is for tmog only
uneven mason
new shield is for tmog only
Yes
glass shale
Just because ur shit at game doesnt mean everyone is bad
shrewd cedar
So forget fire belt and focus on shied and boots eh?
glass shale
Mb on asking randoms on class discord jesus christ.
jagged pier
u that sroin guy im guessing?
uneven mason
I quoted men in black in relation to the popularity comment #context
lime urchin
🍿
uneven mason
I'm a random
jagged pier
u then said that they werent top damage in 10.0
uneven mason
Shit
jagged pier
which they were
uneven mason
Jakey is a random
jagged pier
and talent interaction
craggy pilot
"who even is this guy, must be max 4/8 or something"
and hes literally top 5 mythic warriors 😄
glass shale
I'm pretty sure he is bro
uneven mason
because of beacon
It's so gross, 90%they don't nerf it because bears are to be pitied rn
jagged pier
well i was
granite pond
Nobody can read Chinese here right?
plush tendon
wow only 11
granite pond
I'm #1 then
craggy pilot
or at least he plays wow
plush tendon
who even is this guy
uneven mason
Obviously one must be top 10 to answer questions that have verifiable proof.
jagged pier
hey nielsen was right i was number 5 in 10.0
craggy pilot
hey nielsen was right i was number 5 in 10.0
😉
thats what i saw
i dont just slur out random shit anymore