protection

[strong forum]

Yeah so

Meh

Can't get it at good ilvl

[fervent cliff]

it can be upgraded

[strong forum]

Which is capped

At 447 it does ~107k dmg per proc

Which at 2ppm+haste is equal to 415 whetstone

But you can't get it to that ilvl

Unless it's uncapped aoe dmg ofc

[fervent cliff]

I have a 408 incarnate right now lol, trying to prog rasz T_T

[strong forum]

At first glance doesn't sound like anything you'd want to use crests on

[fervent cliff]

ty for the response though

[strong forum]

Unless you exclusively only use low level ones

[misty moss]

Is Vers bracer wildly outclassed now nom, frostfire seeming OP and just in case they nerf it, any reason to upgrade the bracers?

[strong forum]

Bracers have been buffed by 30%

[daring marlin]

vers bracers seem like hot garbage

[strong forum]

Belt has been buffed by 110%

[daring marlin]

still only like 1% vers

sux

[crude notch]

Now I just want it, to turn into a drogbar and shout about rocks.

[daring marlin]

actually same

[vivid orchid]

im in

[daring marlin]

I hope it's audible and text yelling

because that's hilarious

[strong forum]

It seems like a good intermediate trinket but don't use crests on it

[fervent cliff]

gotcha ty 🙂

[misty moss]

Good to know. Thanks.

[fervent cliff]

i'll do some testing

[fresh igloo]

you can't use more than whelpling crests on that anyways

[crude notch]

Nome ruining my Drogbar RP

[fresh igloo]

will cap at 411 ilvl

[daring marlin]

We just crest good stuff thus enabling us to flightstone it

[strong forum]

Well you need flightstones to crest

So just, hold

[mighty valley]

has anyone heard of any specs enjoying darkmoon decks this patch, i'm running out of places to put inscription knowledge

[strong forum]

That's the main purpose of this week, just stock up on flightstones so you can take it easier in the coming weeks with them

And just blast keys/raid

[daring marlin]

19/20 keys drop 431 right?

[crude notch]

correct

[daring marlin]

👍

[strong forum]

Wow this is

This has to be intentional

5 different fonts

7 diff colours

[crude notch]

Ask Joe Jackson, whoever that is

[daring marlin]

lmao

[crude notch]

He's a Worgen lover too

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

Looks legit like those self made beauty parlor things

[crude notch]

I'm a big fan of the cruisin arcade game font with the header.

[strong forum]

Cars 2 vibes

[uneven mason]

Looks like 18s are the sweet spot for upgradeable

[daring marlin]

Why would 18 be the sweet spot?

[strong forum]

you can only get 10 crests per week

10 heroic, 10 mythic

so you wanna upgrade the highest possible version of the item

before spending crests

[crude notch]

what determines if it's champion or hero

[vivid orchid]

the source difficulty

[toxic pewter]

ive noticed some people dont plan to use tier helm. is it because stats on the helm or wat

[strong forum]

ya

[toxic pewter]

k

[crude notch]

Ah 17-20 is Hero and Heroic raid. Gotchaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[vivid orchid]

is this still just bugged or do we (so it appears) get a free socket on the tier helm itself

[sick sentinel]

the fucking bars

its even worse now

[toxic pewter]

so wat helm are people planning to use if not tier

[uneven mason]

Crafted

[toxic pewter]

i see

im just gonna try get 4 piece asap i will use helm if needed

[crude notch]

That's more than fine, especially with how the upgrade system works with discounts once you acquire an ilvl.

[prime frigate]

guys, im trying to get the portals last minute with my prot warrior that i created two weeks ago. two of my tier pieces are stuck at 395 due to shitty luck, so my question is, it worth it to lose the 4 set bonus to replace those pieces with higher ilvl ones?

[rancid ember]

people watch asmo? oof

yee 4 set meh for raiding anyways if thats your goal

[mighty valley]

yeah i don't need to see asmon's face in here

[prime frigate]

im talking stricly M+

[uneven mason]

Like how much higher ilvl

[rancid ember]

Even still, 30 ILVL > that 4 set bonus most likely.

[true raven]

Is there a list that doesn't include 4pc for prog raiding?

or just highest ilvl?

[uneven mason]

Always ilvl

[prime frigate]

well those pieces would be at least 405

[toxic pewter]

will season 1 tier items even work once season 2 starts

[uneven mason]

Like optimization comes when you're trucking around in full 444+

[toxic pewter]

feel like it doesnt matter lol

[rancid ember]

Yeah that 4 set is not going to help you push keys in new patch really. Just get your highest ilvl options for now

[crude notch]

Alright guys

Time to read context

He's talking about getting S1 portals

So he's not going to be getting 444+ gear

[prime frigate]

exactly, im talking about this week only

[uneven mason]

Yes, tier sets are only depreciated at end of xpac

Unless they're insanely broken

[rancid ember]

This week only Ilvl > Pwar 4 set. Get more stam / dam, that 5% added to your IP is nothing

The raw stats will do more for you.

[uneven mason]

Was replying to two different people

[prime frigate]

This is what I needed, thanks a bunch ❤️

[rancid ember]

👍

[daring marlin]

I just wanna degen farm the new dungeons already

[mighty valley]

Do them on M0 and imagine they're hitting you really hard 🙂

[daring marlin]

Yes but there's...catchup? right?

[loud wave]

I cannot decide if I want to Craft weapon or farm Forgestorm. I haven't seen Strike Twice drop even once and I am worried it will be the same with Forgestorm:/

By belt You mean the frostfire one?

It's sad that this new crafted shield is garbage

I hoped IT would be useful

[strong forum]

It would be good by s1 standards

Or well, usable

[vivid orchid]

seems like they made the item then decided to buff the others

[noble jetty]

Is frostfire lariat still our bis?

[granite pond]

Even without Eranog ring later?

[vivid orchid]

yea even without it

[noble jetty]

I see and haste/crit now?

[sweet girder]

Yo, one of you farmers might know better, with this new weirdo system, if you get a +11 item, it goes to 437

and if you get a +17 item, it does to 441?

[noble jetty]

Okay so I'll craft a chest with the shadow flame on it. I'm still undecided between war and pally as of now though. I'm a CE raider and everything I read says you're trolling if you prog with warrior. This true or can I just keep zugging

[granite pond]

Helm is the worst tier I think right

[strong forum]

If you absolutely want to craft shadowflame ASAP

Do it on boots

Don't craft tierslot pieces

[fresh igloo]

shadowflame patch can't go on shield but could go on neck maybe, right?

[strong forum]

Armor

[fresh igloo]

oh it can go on shield?

[vivid orchid]

yep

[toxic pewter]

prob dumb question, but flavor pocket still around right? gonna need to get a new one I guess...

[strong forum]

Flavour pocket is still the same

[vivid orchid]

funny enough i got lucky last week

[granite pond]

And if you don’t raid mythic/do it slowly then crafted shield is the play

[dusky canopy]

Putting mine on shield

[fresh igloo]

yeah i have a crafted shield sitting around that I might recraft to new spark with the shadowflame patch. didn't realize that was an option

[dusky canopy]

You get big shield and big emb right away

[vivid orchid]

can basically do shield if you never intend on killing the last few mythic raid bosses

[dusky canopy]

Seems like the best play

Also the mythic shield off boss 3 is less ilvl than 447 so

Go crafted shield

Oh and start opening vault in fury right away lol

Well there’s an argument to made for tree mouth trinket out of vault

[vivid orchid]

some of the defensive trinkets have value

btw theres only like 3 m+ shields so its not entirely likely to get one

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I mean to each their own I just think shield is the best play, least risk if you will

[vivid orchid]

for 99% of people it definitely is

[toxic pewter]

you gonna craft shield next week or wait to week 3

[dusky canopy]

Next week with patch

And then I’ll recraft it to 447 once I get the crests

Unless patch is going for a stupid amount then I might hold off on patch until I recraft

[granite pond]

If we have a crafted shield already we can just recraft with new spark yeah?

[unreal arrow]

alright gang gang, whats up, not raided for a little back and getting back into, just wanted to introduce myself a little bit! 🙂 notoriousego here!

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[dusky canopy]

Welcome back

[unreal arrow]

thank you! its good to be home 😄

trying to onboard as much information as possible! will probably ask 1 millions questions x.x

[atomic inlet]

hey

how can i get primal focus thes days?

[dusky canopy]

You don’t

[atomic inlet]

then what about my crafing mats :9

[dusky canopy]

Rip

[atomic inlet]

im gearing a pala

then how can i get it to 415

[dusky canopy]

With the new crest system

[atomic inlet]

any link?

whats the new crest :?

[atomic inlet]

hmm

i got exploler gear

how can i get vertran

[prisma crane]

LFR and 2+ keys

according to that chart

[atomic inlet]

next week?

[prisma crane]

yes

though LFR wont be out then, but yea

[atomic inlet]

what about now

[odd tree]

i think first wing drops next week

[atomic inlet]

i wanna gear up my char to 415 at least

[prisma crane]

spam dungeons and get 2.4k rating

and craft gear to 421

[rancid ember]

nom pin this lol

[atomic inlet]

i cant get primal focus

[prisma crane]

does it no longer drop?

[atomic inlet]

nop

[prisma crane]

then i have no clue

[devout pollen]

S1 is basically soft over this week

Not much you can really do except push last min ip

Io*

[tropic tangle]

do minimal shit this week and go hard at S2 start so you don't fall behind the curve

[devout pollen]

^ this

[granite pond]

Try to get one high key done so you have an 11+ to start with next week

[tropic tangle]

really tho, getting to 415 ilvl this week won't set you up that much better considering all gear from S1 becomes replaceable starting Tuesday

best thing you can do is just push early in S2

[unreal arrow]

how do i complete power unified quest, the quest which gives you the spark of shadowflame/

[daring marlin]

You do the weekly quest in the new hub and open the bag

or the pvp weekly in valdrakken

[unreal arrow]

nice, do you know the name of the weekly quest in the new hub? or infact what you have to do? i assume its just do some pve stuff

[lusty grotto]

its just a rep gained quest

get x amount of rep

then youre done

its right in the middle area where the item upgrader guy is

[dry spear]

Kelami has a guide on youtube. Step by step

[unreal arrow]

A Worthy Ally: Loamm Niffen
0/1500 Loamm Niffen reputation earned

[lusty grotto]

yup

[daring marlin]

Just make sure you actually open the bag

[unreal arrow]

has it been decided what crafting gear we making first?

[daring marlin]

That's what completes the quest for you lol

[warm plinth]

Shield > frostfire belt

[unreal arrow]

thank you!

[atomic inlet]

where can i use this spark of shadowflame now?

[dusky canopy]

With a crafter

[lusty grotto]

undulating sporecloak 2nd embelish

hmm

seems interesting

[atomic inlet]

cant

[lusty grotto]

not for dps though

[atomic inlet]

i have 1 spark of shadow flame

[lusty grotto]

everybody does

[atomic inlet]

can i use it now>

[lusty grotto]

yes

[atomic inlet]

in crafting order?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[atomic inlet]

i cant

[lusty grotto]

you can, it takes the spot of the old spark

[atomic inlet]

its red

[lusty grotto]

you have to replace it

click where the old spark is

[atomic inlet]

got it

[dreamy wedge]

Is the new when-hit shield not worth? I have a thing for reflective damage idk why

[vivid orchid]

damage too low compared to other options

[dreamy wedge]

Aw dang

[lusty grotto]

yes we talked about this earlier

we as in the discord, not necessarily you

#protection message

its fine

im honestly leaning to

they are trying to pivot to kind of a pseudo social media thing

i think that's kind of what makes sense to me

having said everything on that conversation earlier

[daring marlin]

milkman

do it

[lusty grotto]

i think im more worried at the fact that other companies may follow suit

bnet for example

is a notable one

[urban bane]

are they running out of slots for the number tag or somethin?

[warm plinth]

No, it's because 40% of people either don't know what a discriminator is, or what theirs is. And a huge portion of friend requests end up not hitting the required connection

Either because of the discriminator or because people say their username is like mooo but it's actually some weird ass font

[urban bane]

whuh

[warm plinth]

Or has an emoji or some shit

[misty moss]

It’s likely a complaint from Law Enforcement due to current username and number being frequently changeable. It makes it harder to isolate and identify individuals.

[warm plinth]

wat

[modern brook]

Probably not

[warm plinth]

Just because you change your username doesn't mean you aren't trackable lol. Discord has a history of your account

You have a user ID

And that never changes

[modern brook]

Wtf

Moo doxxing ppl

[warm plinth]

Anyone can see it

Turn on developer mode

[misty moss]

😂

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it can help prevent errors in banning people too if multiple people have similar usernames

Beacause you can ban by the user ID instead of the discord name

[lusty grotto]

its basically this

discord has been on the news a lot lately

due to absolute morons

and detestable people really

[daring marlin]

👀

[modern brook]

14+ requirement

Already in the tos I'm p sure

The # system owns tbh

[misty moss]

Will reduce people being scammed. Will significantly increase user identifiability without requiring developer mode enablement. Like I said before, pretty clear why this is happening.

[modern brook]

Anyone advocating against it is an absolute tool

[lusty grotto]

id say there's more good than bad in changing it

it just seems like changing something that works for us

so it feels kinda backwards in that sense

reinventing the wheel kind of

[warm plinth]

It's something they probably should have just done from the start

[lusty grotto]

right

[warm plinth]

But oh well, it'll be an adjustment

but we'll be fine

[lusty grotto]

hindsight is 50/50

but yea

[modern brook]

How many characters do you need for a 6 char string to have 8billion perms?

[misty moss]

I think it’s a good thing tbf.

[warm plinth]

8 billion perms wdym

[vocal mica]

OOTL what’re we adjusting to?

[warm plinth]

oh, permutations

[modern brook]

They're banning names or something getting rid of the # identity; literally nothing

[warm plinth]

Having different usernames in the near future (potentially)

[vocal mica]

Oh I thought it was something to do with prot warriors

[daring marlin]

There is only one Bullfango.

[modern brook]

No that would be ontopic

[misty moss]

I’m a day 1, hope I get to lock in Mooo

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not day 1

[modern brook]

True and real

[misty moss]

Noooooooo

[warm plinth]

I have a friend whose is from 2015

because he was in alpha

[daring marlin]

WHO, SENSE?

old ass sense

[lusty grotto]

im 2015

click on my name

[warm plinth]

Yeah Sense was also 2015

[daring marlin]

already did nimchip

big nerd

[misty moss]

This is my 2nd account. Lemme recover the other

[lusty grotto]

👴

🤝

[modern brook]

Also my 2nd accr

[misty moss]

One will be Mooo

[warm plinth]

I only have one account

well

That's not true

But other one is newer

[urban bane]

Oh I'm earlier than Nimchip

[warm plinth]

by a lot

[urban bane]

the name is mine

😈

[modern brook]

Change it fast

[lusty grotto]

nice

[severe pilot]

I'm earlier and bald irl

[warm plinth]

well, not exactly

You won't be able to have the capital M

(in the username)

[urban bane]

i meant nimchip's

[warm plinth]

Why would you want Nimchip of all names, then I can meme you with the image

[urban bane]

yeah fair

[lusty grotto]

wait

[daring marlin]

Critcake is even before Sense. 🤯

[lusty grotto]

what

i thought i was the only nimchip 😦

[warm plinth]

You are

[daring marlin]

archi beats everyone

crazy

[warm plinth]

Museless is talking about stealing your name lol

[modern brook]

Lmao almost forgot about the collage era

[urban bane]

joking! :)

[lusty grotto]

that reminds me, some guy in my realm googled me and apparently there's users for a horse/pony site or some bullshit

[daring marlin]

ROFL

[lusty grotto]

i was like hold up

[modern brook]

"Apparently "

[lusty grotto]

i would joke but i seriously fucking hate horses

[warm plinth]

Critcake is 2016, Sense is 2015

[lusty grotto]

ever since the accident

[daring marlin]

I misread

BUT ARCHI

[warm plinth]

May 2015 is when Discord went public so that would make sense

[daring marlin]

prolly

us weirdos jumped in before the masses

[misty moss]

Don’t worry, I’ll give you the name for a price 🤑

[daring marlin]

I only got on Discord cuz of buddies. We were doing a TS3 server forever before this.

[warm plinth]

Isn't mooo mooman?

[modern brook]

My friends doing that in runescape

[misty moss]

In b4 I claim Mooo, Moooo, Mooooo, Moooooo

[modern brook]

Well that's not totally true hus runescape acct actually owns too

[warm plinth]

Cool Plater changes coming too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504358976201293835/1103452919396843581/PLATER_NEWS.png

[modern brook]

But he also has a desirable un

[warm plinth]

lol

Man, neopets

Good times

[lusty grotto]

nimchip was my nickname in everquest 1

i got it from green day's album + chocolate chip cookies

[warm plinth]

Ghash was completely made up. Originally I was Ghash60ETD (based on the band, but druid instead of Chieftain)

[modern brook]

I stole mine from monsterhunter

[warm plinth]

Also it's pronounced Gash if anyone wants to know. Not G-hash, not gnash

[daring marlin]

We know.

[modern brook]

Lol

[warm plinth]

Almost all of my names are completely made up actually, which isn't bad considering I have over 40 toons lol

Some are more creative than others I suppose

[modern brook]

The only name I ever made for real was skogrin

[warm plinth]

Skogrin is pretty good

[modern brook]

Every other town is a monster hunter

Or a kpop singer

Depending on gender

[daring marlin]

kpop singer huh

[modern brook]

Yah rogue it's tzuyu, lock is seojin, I got momo on lock for when I find another toon I'm willing to grind

[warm plinth]

My warlock (2 of them actually) is named Locksaredumb

[daring marlin]

I always name my Warlock the same thing.

which is my bnet name

[warm plinth]

It's Luerce

He's here

[pallid quiver]

It's also why if I ever meet you in person, I'm beating you with a nailbat.

I'm certain you understand and would be proud of me for doing so.

at least bullfango ain't konchu

I smelled Hate existing that has tormented me through my monhan years being relevant

At any rate, I name most of my characters as semi actual names, just not lore friendly actual names

and my main warrior goes by a last name, even

[warm plinth]

Is it...YOUR last name?

[daring marlin]

I'm super unoriginal and just steal names from media I like.

[pallid quiver]

no just the last name of the character my discord name refers to

So if you find a Luerce, that's actually my DK alt

[daring marlin]

capped on flightstones

what do

[pallid quiver]

That I haven't played endgame in years but still keep levelling

[pallid quiver]

gank lowbies

[undone verge]

what trinkets we looking at S2?

[daring marlin]

raid trinkets

[pallid quiver]

I'm looking at "get zero as drops and keep using whetstone" personally

[undone verge]

Prot warrior get raid trinkets? lol

[daring marlin]

sucks huh

[pallid quiver]

Just get a raid of nothing but tanks together

Evolution of 5 tank M+

20 tank M raid

[undone verge]

nyalotha throwback

[daring marlin]

TOO LATE BUD

It's ok. We're gonna be getting a fuckload of them next week anyway.

[undone verge]

I feel like u could kill M Rasz with 20 BDk

[warm plinth]

You're not my dad

[loud wave]

Is there anyone else that really don't like S2 trinkets? They seem boring.. like I would rather use JC crit trinket even if it Sims worse

[daring marlin]

raid horn could be good dam in M+

from uldaman

oh yeah and uldaman head could be gr8

big haste/crit

[loud wave]

i am pretty sure we want to craft head piece crit/haste with shadowflame embelishment

[daring marlin]

Oh. Didn't think of embellishment tbh.

[steel fossil]

Am I crazy for thinking that the trinket Djaradin Boasting Tablets is very strong?
20% dr to a mob for 8 sec
basically its like a cooldown for every opener in a pack

[urban portal]

It’s up to a certain amount

[pastel sleet]

aight, whats the DL on first spark usage?

[steel fossil]

om 389 ilvl its 97k

i mean thats a lot,per mob

[urban portal]

97k absorb is not too great but not bad

It’s like 1-2 autos

[steel fossil]

per mob though,so with 5 mobs if and only if they indeed hit the cap

its a 500k shield

every pack

[urban portal]

If a talent said “dodge 1 auto per mob”

Would it be good

It’ll be decent but not great

And you are always tankiest going into a pack

Because you have infinite cds rolling

[steel fossil]

isnt it more than 1 auto though?In 8 seconds a mob will do more than 1 auto propably

[urban portal]

It’s up to a cap

[steel fossil]

b*

[urban portal]

And that cap is essentially 1 auto

Maybe 2

It may not even cap out at that amount

So at 97k the mob has to do 485k damage to pop the shield

Means it needs to do like 60k dps

It’s also a trinket

So there’s opportunity cost

And you better hope to god it’s not pre mitigation

[cloud umbra]

is there any way to get concentratred primal infusion now?

[warm plinth]

No, not from what I've heard.

[cloud umbra]

rip

i think thats so dumb

[misty moss]

If you aren’t going to rush into mythic raiding, primal molten defender upgrade and Shadowflame patch. If you are, frostfire belt.

[pastel sleet]

heard

[cinder nova]

Drogbar Rocks is kinda busted

@astral atlas test your ST sim with a maxed Drogbar Rocks

[icy yarrow]

i just finished that quest and i took the rocks for the same

200k hit for a 389 itlvl trinket seems out of line

[warm plinth]

That's not even as much as the punch trinket last season I don't think?

what's the highest ilevel it can be? 415ish?

[cinder nova]

411 is the highest I could up it

It outpunches my grief

But that assumes no deaths

[warm plinth]

Can you put an SS here?

of yours

[cinder nova]

It simmed over 1K

And the proc rate reflects it

No shot they let this float

[kind estuary]

Any ideas about BIS trinkets for raid?

[icy yarrow]

Delete all info, let it flow

[potent sparrow]

So this apparently sims better than BiS but I'm new to tanking so should I go in on this belt or is there something I'm missing?

[cinder nova]

You're saying those both sim better than UFFB?

[warm plinth]

That does seem quite strong. approx. 312.5k damage every 2 mins compared to 411 grieftorch ~185k damage, though with mob armor I guess it's closer to like 219k

Which is not as big of a difference as it first appears

Also not taking into account that grieftorch can splash, while this is single target

[cinder nova]

Well, this is assuming ST

splash means fuck all in ST

[craggy pilot]

hmm just did +20 key, didnt look like i got any Flightstones 🤔

[potent sparrow]

I'll test it on UFFB, sorry wowhead shows Recycled golem is BiS

[craggy pilot]

guess it doesnt include M+

[daring marlin]

Probably not cuz it's still S1 M+ pool.

[cinder nova]

Hard doubt it'll clean the hurdle of UFFB. It got buffed into the sun for some reason.

Kinda wild.

[warm plinth]

BiS lists 💤

[cinder nova]

Did they say they were gonna disable T29 at some point?

Or was I thinking of 28 into DF

[warm plinth]

No, and they've never done that before, at least not since Legion tier sets.

But it shouldn't be as big of an issue now since there are only 5 tier slots instead of 6

[cinder nova]

Probably not.

[warm plinth]

So the best you can do is 2+2

[cinder nova]

Hey, some combos were 2/2

[potent sparrow]

Ope, it looks like UFFB is extremely better, ty S.

[cinder nova]

Test the ROOOOCKS.

[icy yarrow]

pls

[cinder nova]

I wouldn't be shocked if the raid trinkets eclipse it

But if it remains relevant until H or M trinkets that'd be cash

[mighty valley]

I think we wanna see the rocks against other stuff that's available this week

[cinder nova]

Oh, pfft no

I got a 421 whet and a 411 grief and the grief got slammed out by over 1000

[mighty valley]

Hmm I should check

[warm plinth]

What about with both drogbar trinkets

[icy yarrow]

[cinder nova]

No idea, didn't think much would be better than a 421 whet

[warm plinth]

Think the str buff is like 600 str

[icy yarrow]

thing is, how do i get the 2nd one?

[warm plinth]

No idea

I'm assuming as a WQ reward or something

[maiden ravine]

so are most of you making shields or a mh this week?

[warm plinth]

Probably shiled, then next spark will probably be belt unless I get giga-unlucky with weapon drop

shield*

I can't type

[kind estuary]

Apparently there was a campaign quest that gives you the stones as a reward option

[ionic roost]

Rocks are sim bait, used them a bit in game, they can miss, and don't nearly do the same damage

[warm plinth]

They can miss? LOL

[cinder nova]

How do they miss.

[ionic roost]

Saw it proc and do no damage

Idk but it missed

[warm plinth]

They're physical so I guess that's not completely impossible

[sand pebble]

elementium pocket anvil works for shield slam but is only avail to arms/fury specs

[ionic roost]

Welcome to tanking

Where you may use trinkets that only ranged can loot, or dps melee

[sand pebble]

ive been a tank forever just only noticed the tooltip changed to show shield slam

[cyan jolt]

Should I be Shield blocking only when my block is about to fall off?

[kind estuary]

ABB

Always be shield blocking

[cyan jolt]

I can dig it.

[kind estuary]

but really you just never want to be holding 2 stacks

your goal should be 100% shield block updtime

[ionic roost]

Should also be noted, you get shield block from more than just the shield block button

[sand pebble]

should be noted that shield block increases shield slam damage so act accordingly and keep it up forever

[cyan jolt]

Is that functionally possible or just an ideal

[kind estuary]

to have 100% uptime?

[sand pebble]

100% possible

[kind estuary]

its absolutely possible

[cyan jolt]

badass

[warm plinth]

You can have up to 24 seconds of Shield Block without wasting any (which is 3 casts of Shield Block with Enduring Defenses - a talent you should be running). Bolster, when we start running it, does not get affected by the cap, but I believe will contribute to the cap.

[sand pebble]

"a prot warrior without shield block is just as bad as a warrior without battle shout"

[cyan jolt]

I'm gonna write an audio trigger when its getting low. I'm an audible learner.

but that's great it works like that.

[sand pebble]

https://wago.io/K2jYdQHr5/4 i use this

great base for you to add a sound trigger into

[torn gust]

imagine using shield block :v

[cyan jolt]

Wunderbar

[vocal mica]

I do wonder how y’all manage shield block and IP, I tend to always keep them up.

[twin bramble]

is it better to spend my spark on my primal molten mace or my elemental lariat?

[sand pebble]

save for next week after raid so you can fill gaps - all new embilshments etc drop in the raid

[twin bramble]

thx!

[warm plinth]

IP uptime doesn't matter; you get uptime naturally and you're not shooting for any specific %. Shield Block uptime is easily manageable with the current iteration of prot. Once you get the new tier set and change talents, it will require a little more finesse, but will still be fairly easy.

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LlckJqGzpUc the noise it should be

[vocal mica]

In lighter pulls I often don’t have SB up and pop IP as it drops off. As the pulls heat up I add in SB and then tend to keep it up

[scarlet mesa]

how correct does this look for m+

damage wise

[warm plinth]

Not good

Shield Slam should be your top damage

[scarlet mesa]

yeah, thought so

overall shield slam should be higher though huh

this isnt me for the record

helping friendo

💃

[warm plinth]

Yes, we have a lot of huge buffs to shield slam that despite it being ST, push it ahead of Revenge and TC in overall dungeon damage. The exception would maybe be AA where you're usually pulling a lot of mobs.

[scarlet mesa]

that was RLP

[warm plinth]

Or possibly NO depending on how you pull it

[pallid quiver]

They're likely sending too many outbursts on TC based on TC passing SS uo

And also likely missing SS resets

[scarlet mesa]

hows that

i told them to press it more

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-cat-nod-cat-nodding-cute-cat-gif-23793862

398 ivl

only 2 set

i found the true struggle

(interrupts)

[daring marlin]

interrupt more

4head

[scarlet mesa]

...I'm not sure if this is helpful, but overall damage taken?

[daring marlin]

nope

[scarlet mesa]

yeah i kinda figured

[crude notch]

Still nope

Running it down with info that provides nothing

[scarlet mesa]

yeah i have no clue

[daring marlin]

We out here

[scarlet mesa]

is rage gen even something to look at

[daring marlin]

jk do it better

[scarlet mesa]

...Overall buff uptime?

i think this is probably more helpful

that shield block duration seems low

[warm plinth]

Oh dear.

Do you have a log

[scarlet mesa]

i have details but I dont think that works for this

unless I can export this somehow

[warm plinth]

No, I mean, we can glean some information from this but not to the level of precision we'd like.

[scarlet mesa]

right

[warm plinth]

Shield Block uptime is not a good metric, but it is very likely that he's not keeping it up enough.

Idk why he's using gleaming iron stone

[scarlet mesa]

i just have the report in details, im not sure if theres a way to export it

[warm plinth]

There's not. You have to log it ahead of time.

[scarlet mesa]

yeah, I can do that in the future

wont be the last time we run mythic

also, pretty sure they just are using it because its what they found

[warm plinth]

Just in case you need the info

[scarlet mesa]

just like eso logs, thought so

they dont have weakauras

i will be changing this lol

thanks for all the help by the way, its been a great way to get insight on how to be helpful

We did manage to clear a 14 with them, so while things were rough I think they can only go up

[warm plinth]

Logs will definitely let us help more, since we'll be able to point out specifically what they're doing wrong.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, logs allow much more in depth review. Rage gen is worthwhile to look at, but with logs you can see how much if that generated rage was wasted

[warm plinth]

Details just has inaccuracies in some categories as well

e.g. their avoidance tab iirc is basically useless

Where in logs we can actually see blocked hits

[pallid quiver]

It also only accounts for active time where that matters

[modern brook]

how far is the campaign currently? 4/7?

[warm plinth]

Uh, 3/7 I think?

They confirmed that chapter 4/5 come out next week

[modern brook]

do i have to do it on alts 😦

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-chapter-4-and-5-of-patch-10-1-campaign-unlocks-next-week-332752

If you're only after sparks, no

[patent gorge]

It’s 4/7 on the achievement list (that’s what mine shows

Quest list *

Which I assume means you are on chapter 4 of 7 and won’t start 4 and 5 till next week.

[scarlet mesa]

yeah, that one is big

[warm plinth]

Yeah I believe that's how it generally appears

[scarlet mesa]

I will get this setup

also yeah their avoidable damage sucks

[warm plinth]

It's possible you might have logs anyway. Only one person in the group has to log, so if anyone in the group logged, you can look up your friend's character on the website and see if anyone uploaded it.

[scarlet mesa]

it still counts if I say, use AMS on my dk to gen RP

this has been nice tbh, y'all are chill

i appreciate help discords that dont just slander people attempting to learn

[crude notch]

Yeah that's because I'm not saying anything.

[scarlet mesa]

...Especially since I often, act as the proxy for them to get help

They are still learning basic consumables as well, so im impressed they manage to get through a 14

[warm plinth]

Honestly in a 14 I wouldn't even use consumables. Even in my main's 20-22 keys, I don't always pot as many times as I should. Phials are cheap, runes are cheap, and food is cheap so those can be used pretty freely, but potions are a bit more expnsive.

[scarlet mesa]

i meant they didnt even have food, runes or phials

not pots

[warm plinth]

In a 14 that's perfectly fine

You don't really need consumables in keys that low. His gameplay is very clearly the big issue with how he's performing, so let's worry about that for now and he can worry about min/maxing consumables later.

[sand pebble]

I'm popping phials n feasts n weapon runes in a 2, they are so cheap

[fresh igloo]

it's hard to over state how much gameplay matters more than basically anything else

[crude notch]

Popping consumables won't make you suddenly have proper Shield Block uptime

Or cooldown usage

[crude notch]

-50k, no consumables.

[chilly brook]

is researchers under fire even available yet

?

[scarlet mesa]

i mean

why not take the helpful things anyway

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying they shouldn't. I'm saying that it's not even on the priority list of things they need to change. It's easier for most people to focus on improving one thing at a time. Piling a bunch of changes on at once can be overwhelming.

[scarlet mesa]

its a low effort thing to give them stuff that they eat, so i would disagree there

[warm plinth]

That's your prerogative

[sharp forge]

Is eranog 421 unsocketed better over bis crafted ring still with both being 421 ilvl? (I also am wearing frostfire belt)

[daring marlin]

[scarlet mesa]

set and forget, and they have

main things to work on are gameplay now

aggro is an issue for them

[fresh igloo]

sim it

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth am I missing something? isn't this weekly event supposed to happen this week?

[crude notch]

Isn't it similar to any other world event where it's on a timer?

[warm plinth]

What weekly event?

[chilly brook]

Researchers Under Firew

[chilly brook]

supposed to be every hour at the half hour mark

def didn't show up for me

[warm plinth]

Is it showing on the map?

[chilly brook]

nope

[sand pebble]

i havent seen it at all and i spent 14 hours in there so far

thats whats supposed to show according to wowhead

[chilly brook]

glad it's not just me then

peeps were saying to do that and the fyrrak invasions or w/e this week and I don't think either are available

[crude notch]

well the fyrrak invasions are definitely not up

[sand pebble]

makes sense for it to be next week with world bosses starting

[crude notch]

yeah your source on "what to do this week" might be a little off.

[chilly brook]

like almost every youtube video

[crude notch]

Yeah idk about that, the ones I've watched didn't

[chilly brook]

if you've got some good ones I wouldn't mind a link

just to make sure I'm not missing anything

[warm plinth]

It's possible that it's either a bug (like the missing "skip" for the spark quest), or it could be something that won't be available until next week.

Like it could potentially be behind another campaign chapter or something, and they just put the marker on the map early

[slim dove]

id assume its just another weekly catchup mech

similar to the elemental chests in s1

[crude notch]

i don't even have the marker on my map

[proper roost]

the blizzard page specifies that fyrakk invasions don't start til the 9th, at least

cba to check if it said anything about the researcher thing

[warm plinth]

A friend of mine said that it doesn't start until next week and they don't even see it on their map (and they've done basically everything in the zone thus far; they're an achievement whore)

They didn't provide a source though so take it with a grain of salt

I think it's fair to say that at the very least it's bugged and not available right now

[restive crown]

so are we badly cucked if we dnt raid in s2? trinket wise, or is the m+ trink still "decent"

[sand pebble]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 100% it's not bugged and will start next week along with s2 and world bosses based solely on the fact it drops champ 395 gear

Which you cannot loot until next week

[scarlet mesa]

SO

We press ignore pain a lot huh

like

spam that shit

[sand pebble]

You burn excess rage with it ogcd

Don't spam or you rage starve yourself

[scarlet mesa]

yeah thats what I mean

dealing with all the extra rage

[austere sleet]

If I'm still in the midst of gearing (didnt play a tonne of warrior last season) you guys reckon I should send the spark on a weapon to get 421 asap?

[sand pebble]

No

Go run nelths and loot forgestorm

Pretty sure my guildy said it's upgradable? Haven't seen the m0 loot though

[austere sleet]

m0 stuff wouldn't be upgradeable would it

[sand pebble]

Should be

Quest greens are

Won't go Max ilvl but saves a spark until you 100% know

[crude notch]

Uh

Dungeons are still in S1 mode, so no.

[forest fern]

So will the two piece effectively make last stand an offensive cooldown you use on cooldown?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[sand pebble]

4pc is the damage right? 2pc is just cdr on it

14 hours of farming brokers bricks has broke my brain

[ionic fern]

2pc increases damage of SS by 15%, doubled during LS.

4pc is the AoE.

[sand pebble]

Oh ty

[forest fern]

plus unerved focus and the rage gen increases everything anyway right

since its something you'd take now with this

[ionic fern]

But yes, you get 2pc, you pick Bolster and use it on CD.

[ionic fern]

In raids.

[forest fern]

yep sweet, just confirming

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hello Ghash, ily.

Enjoying your evening?

[crude notch]

🥚

[warm plinth]

I think so. Lot of things going in progress as of yesterday (health stuff) that I think will be good if I can stick with it

[crude notch]

I BELIEF IN YOU GHASH

[amber siren]

new blood

[scarlet mesa]

its a lil rough atm

[sinful copper]

did 21 AV and i felt like i was getting slapped so much harder now

is the 25% hp buff just bad for us?

[proper roost]

well last week was tyr and this week is fort so

[scarlet mesa]

enemies do 25% more

[urban portal]

it shouldnt be insanely bad

[sinful copper]

hmm just felt worse

[warm plinth]

ty cutie

[sinful copper]

ive done 21 av fort before and raging isnt even +dmg anymore

[crude notch]

Maybe you got worse

🙂

[ionic fern]

There's usually a K-value change between seasons which directly affects your damage intake etc.

[slim dove]

is that active rn?

def felt like the 20nok i just did to help a buddy was chunking me good

[torn gulch]

the k value should be a thing for the new dungeons normally

[ionic fern]

No idea if it's active right now.

Haven't read / done any dungeons yet.

Jakey yesterday said he diddn't feel any differences in his +20.

So..

🤷

[slim dove]

might have been my rdruid with 11% efflo uptime and 50% lifebloom uptime

[torn gulch]

i mean you'll only do a 20 this week anyway to get an 11 and make it easier to farm wrym crests

[ionic fern]

Farm what?

[torn gulch]

crests

[ionic fern]

Ah, the new upgrade thingies, je?

[torn gulch]

get the 10 wrym crests then start doing 16+ to get your aspect crests then finish that and start pushing

yes

[ionic fern]

That sounds

Overly complicated.

[torn gulch]

nea system is pretty simple

you have crests you upgrade gear

[ionic fern]

Get this crest and that crest and some flightstones, what ever the hell those are.

And some 3rd thing also.

[torn gulch]

3rd thing is for crafted gear

[ionic fern]

Aren't crests for crafted geaR?????????????

[torn gulch]

you need to enchant them

[ionic fern]

..................................................

[vocal nimbus]

Xd

Simple

[torn gulch]

and they transform in something that is similar to upgrade tokens in s1 gear

when you interact with the system the system is simple enough

how do people believe it is complicated it's beyond me

[ionic fern]

Je, different people have different expectations regarding what is easy and what is complicated.

Freaking wild.

Imagine that.

[torn gulch]

Fair enough

[amber siren]

Tbh I had to keep checking a spreadsheet to keep track of the upgrade paths, and I expect I’ll have to keep doing that for a while yet

[ionic fern]

Okay..so..Flightstones are Valor.

[torn gulch]

372-398 402-428 411-437 428-441 if i am not mistaken

[warm plinth]

Yes, basically, except uncapped from the start.

[ionic fern]

And they together with Drake's Crest upgrade the items.

ANd then you can only upgrade items which drop from specific places up to a specific lvl.

And then there's a discount.

Just

Put

Valor

Back.

Thank

You.

[warm plinth]

This way is more alt friendly though

Because there's no need to get x score to be able to upgrade

[ionic fern]

There was a score requirement?

o.o

[crude notch]

Yea

Also

Discounts

[ionic fern]

So..all in all..i just need to spam 16 or higher dungeons

[crude notch]

Flightstone discounts are account wide

[ionic fern]

And call it a day?

Cause that will give me Aspects' Shadowflame crests?

Which is..upgrading to 441?

[warm plinth]

Well initially you'll need 11-15s as well for the wyrm crests but yeah, other than that it's just 16+

[ionic fern]

Why?

Can't i just get Aspect's one?

[warm plinth]

Because you'll be doing lower keys and you won't be able to upgrade them all the way

[ionic fern]

Why would i be doing lower keys than 16?

[warm plinth]

Idk, I'm just speaking in general. Not everyone is going to be doing 16s the first week

And yeah, to upgrade to 415 you had to be 2.4k on that character

[crude notch]

You also want to spam 19s instead of 16s because it's cheaper to upgrade

[warm plinth]

Like if you want to degen it and try to go for 19s the first week, you'd want to do it like this

[ionic fern]

Okay, so all in all.
Valor was easy and simple which got replaced by a weird system because they like to re-build a wheel.

Got it.

[crude notch]

Well this way works with Raid, M+, and Open World Content.

Valor only worked with M+.

[warm plinth]

I don't think it'll be hard to understand once you get used to it. Think of the crests as primal focus/concentrated primal focus, except you use them in steps instead of having to create an infusion

And you need less of them the higher the item is

[crude notch]

I believe in you Mwahi, you are smrt.

[ionic fern]

Know what my perfect system would be?

Let me select my own bis gear with full ilvl already.

And let me do raids/m+.

Thanks.

[warm plinth]

Well that's definitely one line of thinking. Not one I haven't heard before. I enjoy the loot progression as long as it's not a pain in the ass to do it on my alts. As it stands, this will still require a fair bit of effort on alts but at least I don't have to worry about farming score too

[ionic fern]

I'd be keen on playing alts if i diddn't have to do any gear progression on them.

The amount of times where i lvl something to 70 being excited to play them just to realise i would need to start doing low dungeons and getting gear and farming some X things and crafting some Y things.

And then just log straight back off.

And go play some other game.

[sinful copper]

probably

[scarlet mesa]

Gear progression is a big part of these games lol

Strange take

[ionic fern]

As i get older i care less and less about gear progression.

Mostly because i don't have the time to do everything that's needed to get all that gear.

Hense my "Give me the best gear instantly and let me play the game".

[scarlet mesa]

Bizarre take

[scenic mural]

okay so the aspect crests only take us from 437->441, we will need wyrm crests to upgrade end of dungeon loot to 437? as in we will need to run sub 16 dungeons to be able to upgrade dungeon loot fully? i guess theres that vendor that sells the tier below crest, but still odd to me

[sinful copper]

i honestly really enjoy gear progression. i made 7 toons for s1 and got them all to pretty high ilvl

[wanton dome]

Anyone else feel weaker on prot during reclear

[timber terrace]

10.1 is more a gear rush than gear progression since you upgrade the slot not the item itself, our gear will be really high by week 3 and then it's gonna be about minmaxing the stats

[ionic fern]

In raid?

Nope.

Same as always.

[wanton dome]

Odd

felt weaker defensively

[ionic fern]

🤷

I felt literally no difference.

Check logs for proper info.

Maybe you misplayed.

[wanton dome]

maybe

[ionic fern]

I did Eranog half naked at 316 ilvl and it was literally w/e.

My Rasz damage intake/ehrp is also similar to previous ones.

[glacial skiff]

You’re probably feeling the healer nerf. Definitely felt it as dps on some fights this week. 25% more HP and bosses doing more damage feels that way.

[wanton dome]

Yeah was just checking my Terros log as a reference

took 10 Mil last week 15 this week

same percentage mitigated

just seems off

[crude notch]

same fight length and everything?

[wanton dome]

ye

Ill look at it more later

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would expect you to take more damage, since, well, you are. But it should feel pretty much the same. And it should be ~25%, not 50%, so I assume it's probably a combination of the damage increase + maybe not playing as well as you did last week.

[mighty valley]

I did a couple keys and some random things did feel more threatening than usual

Maybe it's just shit that healers used to top off in the blink of an eye

[urban portal]

Yeah healer slacking

[undone verge]

What trinkets we looking at this season?

[lavish copper]

That's 50% more damage. Not 25%

Which is more than blizz advertised

There are groups doing +25's and up saying this week is definitely harder. It's not just scrubs complaining

Something is definitely harder

[undone verge]

Healers can’t carry the group as much

[warm plinth]

No one is arguing that it shouldn't be harder

It IS harder

Objectively

We're saying that you should not feel a difference as a tank.

[ionic fern]

The first 4 especially.

[undone verge]

Factually it is harder, but taking 2.5 million more dmg than u should sounds more like a play style issue. But you should notice a difference in that you’ll be receiving proportionally less healing

[undone verge]

Damnit

Not gonna get any good trinkets till everyone including the bench has 3 of them

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[pallid quiver]

Man, this feeling

I think my issue is how long the gear progression track is

Sure, it makes things less spiky in terms of power level, but... I dunno, modern WoW, I'm like Mwahi in that I just like, can't really play alts because gear progression just kills my urge to

[ionic fern]

Exactly.

I wouldn't even mind going through the gear progression on my main that much if it mean that my alts could buy whatever and gain instant access to them.

🤷

[pallid quiver]

Something like that would be pretty neat for modern WoW, but I think it removes the like character attachment aspect that going through with a character and gearing it gives.

Not that I think that's a major thing for most of the populace at this point

[crude notch]

Hear me out

Maybe

[pallid quiver]

The entire content race track for the game has changed since Vanilla/earlier WoW times, but especially Vanilla

[crude notch]

You are just getting old and tired of playing the game.

[pallid quiver]

I mean, I'll play a ton on my Warrior

enjoy it, even

[crude notch]

Comparing it to vanilla is omegalul

wow a game is different in 2023 than in 2004

[pallid quiver]

Like, it's important for this conversation? The game's overal-

y

yeah

that's exactly what i said

[crude notch]

What a shocker

[pallid quiver]

the entire way the game is designed and intended to be played has changed

"The entire content race track for the game has changed since Vanilla/earlier WoW times" in relation to "character attachment aspect that going through with a character and gearing it gives"

[crude notch]

But like what does that even mean

[ionic fern]

I'm especially tilted about the damn S1 Primal Chaos and upgrade tokens.

[crude notch]

Getting a piece of gear changed?

[ionic fern]

I could have EASILY sent them to alts and actually play my alts

[pallid quiver]

The content race track is how you're intended to experience and go through the game

[ionic fern]

Just with insta upgraded gear.

But NOPE.

CANT SEND TO ALTS.

[crude notch]

Okay but saying the same thing over and over

[pallid quiver]

Vanilla's entire base design is drastically different to even Wrath, let alone modern

[crude notch]

doesn't change

[ionic fern]

So now i'm just freaking swaping 10 of them for reputaiton.

[crude notch]

anything

[ionic fern]

Like what the hell.

[pallid quiver]

y'know what imma just go to bed

this is the dumbest argument i've seen in a hot ass minute

[crude notch]

it isn't an argument

I'm just trying to understand wtf you're saying period

if asking you to elaborate

is that triggering to you

you're proving my point

gear progression has always been a thing in this game

people hav ealways been degenerate about it

the "need" to do degenerate gearing has changed

the feeling that you need to anyways

but really it hasn't

[ionic fern]

That's literally what i said before.

[crude notch]

just stop getting old 4head

[ionic fern]

I can't.

I'm too tilted now.

I'm still thinking about the S1 gear upgrade token thingies you got from +16

And how easy it would have been for blizzaard to let me send them to my alts so i could get proper gea ron them.

But no.

[tardy isle]

gearprogression this season has literally been "farm 2 weeks and wait for vault upgrades". its already way too quick to max

[ionic fern]

I got so many of them and all i can do with them is swap for reputaiton

Which i dont care about.

[lavish copper]

next season it's farm for 3 weeks, get full 441 gear

[sand pebble]

Vendor them

[tardy isle]

well its the same system

[warm plinth]

How degenerate were you in that 2 week period to be purely waiting on vault upgrades after 2 weeks...

[ionic fern]

Yes, but that's the dumb part.

let them be useful for alts.

Not freaking vendor trash-

[sand pebble]

And in 6 weeks full 447 crafted in every slot non tier and trinkets

[warm plinth]

Mwahi even said he wouldn't upset about gearing his main if his alts didn't have to go back through it from scratch.

wouldn't be upset*

[ionic fern]

^

[jagged pier]

id play multiple chars if i could do that

dont have the time to refarm

[warm plinth]

Which I do tend to agree with. There just isn't enough content with the speed of the game to satisfy a one toon playstyle unless you're just someone with very limited time.

[crude notch]

But you don't have to go back through it from scratch this season

flightstone upgrades are discounted

by 60%

account wide

[warm plinth]

I mean, realistically flightstones were never going to be the time gate anyway. Crests are. And you're still going to have to farm just as many crests on your alts as you did on your main.

Assuming you want to get 10 crests (the max) each week, even if you're only farming one type, you would have to do 30 dungeons untimed or 13 dungeons timed at the appropriate level. And that's just one crest type.

[sinful copper]

That's what I was saying! But I'm just one of the scrubs

[warm plinth]

And that's just on one character

Even 13 dungeons is a huge time investment

[lavish copper]

you need to do 26 a week

[crude notch]

what do you suggest then

[lavish copper]

13 for the wyrm crests, 13 for the aspect crests

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I was being conservative, that's why I said even if you were only going for one crest type.

[jagged pier]

can just go pug a few hc bosses

[lavish copper]

if you're pushing gear hard, it looks like upwards of 30 a week

[lavish copper]

not if you're doing it efficiently with a guild

[jagged pier]

so where did 13 dungeons come form for wym crests

cause u get them from hc bosses

if your doing it with a guild its far less dungoen runs

[lavish copper]

you get 13 crest fragments on a timed key, you need 150 fragments to cap on crests

or 12 or something

[warm plinth]

12* crest fragments. 13 dungeons to get the 150 fragments to cap. Technically 12.5 but obviously you can't do half a dungeon

And not timing the 13th dungeon would make you have to do a 14th

Because you'd be 1 short

[lavish copper]

And you do dungeons before you do the raid

[jagged pier]

if u dont work sure

i have time to make food

[warm plinth]

There's a lot of assumptions being made here anyway. Not everyone raids. Either due to time constraints or because they just don't want to.

[jagged pier]

before raid on wednesday

[warm plinth]

If you want to do both, more power to you

[jagged pier]

thats why i said pug

first few bosses should be pugable pretty easily in the first week

[warm plinth]

Pugging does not change either the time constraint issue nor the not wanting to issue

[crude notch]

So you want to do content difficulties that require time investment and you know they require time investment and the whole idea behind them is that they require time investment but you don't want to invest the time

[ionic fern]

I don't want to invest time to them ON MY ALTS.

[jagged pier]

^

[ionic fern]

I can do it on my main.

[warm plinth]

On alts.

[jagged pier]

i cant do 13 keys on main

[warm plinth]

And there's time investment and then there's requiring me to almost double a filled out vault just to get 1 crest maxed out a week.

[jagged pier]

mainly because

i dont want too

[warm plinth]

And again, if I want to do an alt, I have to do it on the alt too

Because there is no discount for crests

[crude notch]

So what you want is a game that isn't wow

Because that's how it's been for 19 years.

[warm plinth]

What I want is a game that is WoW, just better for alts.