ya but thats 3ilvl lower
#protection
strong forum
jagged pier
🤔
potent gulch
but not that much 😭
potent gulch
I use it on CD
it has no cd ⭕
potent gulch
when i can
right. but need to revenge to get 2 set proc 😭
strong forum
daring marlin
undone verge
Bring back SL S3/4 execute
strong forum
legs=legplates_of_the_onyx_crucible,id=202442,bonus_id=4800/4786/1504,enchant=frosted_armor_kit_3
drifting pecan
Hi guys, is there a spredsheet like the s1 one that shows all the blockable and reflectable spells in keys?
strong forum
same spreadsheet
drifting pecan
Oh good, it’s updated
strong forum
ye idk maybe raidbots is kaka
when you slam string its better
used droptimiser
am very lazy
wintry tide
What would be the best way to learn prot Warrior at level 70?
mighty valley
What would be the best way to learn prot Warrior at level 70?
skim the icy veins guide, start playing in some easy content, ramp up once you get a feel for it, ask questions in here if you get confused
strong forum
thats a deliberate choice because dropping ilvl on shield is asinine
wintry tide
skim the icy veins guide, start playing in some easy content, ramp up once you g...
Easy content like normal dungeons or normal dragon flight dungeons?
strong forum
if we did that you might aswell not talent into indomitable for the T30 profile, but thats just a bit too much int for the profile
mighty valley
Easy content like normal dungeons or normal dragon flight dungeons?
Normal dragonflight dungeons are fine, might be a little weird because you might get some overpowered dps pushing you to move real fast
You can also try and mash out your rotation on a target dummy
wintry tide
You can also try and mash out your rotation on a target dummy
Ok thanks for the advice
hardy snow
what is this proctor weapon in screenshots above?
strong forum
if you go full crit>haste gems its even more
strong forum
what is this proctor weapon in screenshots above?
thats the highest ilvl weapon from raid
hardy snow
we have onehand higher than 447 in raid?
strong forum
no, its 447
scarlet mesa
pressing execute is a huge trap isnt it
strong forum
pressing execute is a huge trap isnt it
1-2 targets its good
on 3+ revenge is better
scarlet mesa
but it costs so much rage
proper roost
Just use brain
some bosses you can afford to dump rage for DPS and some you can't
Press the tank ip button when boss does dam and press the big dam button when boss don't do dam crazy
uneven mason
but it costs so much rage
Spending rage is good
strong forum
once you have all your talent points, itll be alot more usable
proper roost
i'd give an example of a high key tyr boss that does no damage and you can freely execute on but I feel like that's falling deep into the "give a man a fish" category
It's kind of literally just common sense
scarlet mesa
i will just have to learn it
proper roost
it's like asking when to shield wall
idk when you take big dam
sometimes not when you take big dam but you know it'll be back up for the next time big dam happens anyway
scarlet mesa
i do enjoy how it has a deceptively high cd
proper roost
Use brain pay attention to what is happening
think 1-2 pulls ahead at least every time
uneven mason
For the most part, SW when it's up and your taking damage, and know a big burst isn't coming in the next 60s
Like outside of big tankbusters we just pump
uneven mason
Also "IPisAoffensivespend"
scarlet mesa
this talent is funny
because it also gives you more armor
Just lots of keybinds, shield share being another form of charge is
scarlet mesa
so a damage cd
uneven mason
It slaps
scarlet mesa
neat
uneven mason
Prot warriors are just a DPS that doesn't die
uneven mason
You want that trio
scarlet mesa
yeah
ive been looking at the talent tree
avatar is going to be a funny one
it literally is just more damage
uneven mason
It's a CD
scarlet mesa
that you use when you wanna do more damage
strong forum
this talent is funny
early beta it used to loop
uneven mason
Which is always
strong forum
you gain armor based on strength, and then str based on armor
uneven mason
early beta it used to loop
Because math
strong forum
so it would loop for a while
scarlet mesa
uneven mason
We were doing idiotic damage early beta
strong forum
to the point where we'd get 80% more out of armor and str than other tanks
uneven mason
Between att and uh seismic looping?
strong forum
armor mitigation has a hidden multiplier that keeps it in check
strong forum
Between att and uh seismic looping?
attt and focused vigor and obv reinforced armor
toxic pewter
did they increase cooldown on that paladin cheat death shit
toxic pewter
still find that wild tbh
uneven mason
I mean "intentionally op" seems to be their goal with paladins
urban portal
Most CD are just damage amps
90% of tank CDs are defensive+offensive baseline
toxic pewter
do paladins not even admit that is overpowered talent
urban portal
avatar is the main one that stands out as being purely offensive
toxic pewter
like we as a community when BSV cooldown was pretty low, we were all discussing it like, yeah that needs longer cd or make it weaker or something
(if it actually worked at all)
uneven mason
like we as a community when BSV cooldown was pretty low, we were all discussing ...
Little did we know it wasn't bugged and was just a completely shut talent from design
toxic pewter
just wild to me, witnessed literally 3-4 months of shitting on us by the community at large
and not a single peep occurring currently
toxic pewter
yeah I mean apparently BSV has never worked correctly though
but even so we all were able to be somewhat objective and call a spade a spade
we were like yeah lmao that needs a longer cooldown
solar sandal
do we have a priority list of crafted items we're looking to upgrade for 10.1?
jagged pier
just wild to me, witnessed literally 3-4 months of shitting on us by the communi...
Its because another tank it top, and if any other tank than warrior is top ppl dont care
toxic pewter
I will never understand it
jagged pier
Stigma from back in the days basically
Cause we were the only tank And stigma because it used to be much much harder to play and ppl couldnt play it
So when its "best" ppl just cry
toxic pewter
Makes sense
old sinew
Its because another tank it top, and if any other tank than warrior is top ppl d...
Ppl don’t care? Ppl blasting pink tank constantly
solemn current
Ppl don’t care? Ppl blasting pink tank constantly
I get where he’s coming from though. My whole guild spent the entire beginning of the season complaining about how broken warriors were and how their damage was way too high. Some of them play paladins as a main or at least off spec but none of them warriors. Paladin becomes more powerful than warrior ever was this season and not one peep from anyone. That’s despite only a small nerf to surv and no nerf to damage output.
scarlet mesa
the one prot pally I know is awful
i had to have my brez on deck for them during raz
solemn current
Most tanks are. Every single person who claimed my prot warrior damage was solely due to how broken they are haven’t been able to come anywhere close now that a few of them have tried it out.
dire gull
how well does prot stats convert to fury?
solemn current
Not good technically, but ilvl over everything. Doesn’t hurt to try and find some off pieces that ditch mastery for more haste and ideally crit or vers after (I’m a crit enjoyer myself)
toxic pewter
Ppl don’t care? Ppl blasting pink tank constantly
what world do you live in lmao
community at large hasnt said one god damn thing about prot pally being op
its just extremely offputting
proper roost
a high haste prio overlaps, but fury's best stat is mastery so it doesn't overlap super well
depends what you're doing tho, vers is really good for keys for example but
if you're trying to push high keys as fury gl 
would be less dumb to push as prot instead
sick sentinel
Was classic, but i got to see asmon freaking out at some warrior "HIT YOUR SHIELD BLOCK, he's not using his SB !!!", good highlight of today
crude notch
community at large hasnt said one god damn thing about prot pally being op
that's kapp
old sinew
what world do you live in lmao
what would do YOU live in fucking lol. Ppal meta-slaving is constantly bashed in M+ discords.
daring marlin
yeah idk what that dude is on
I don't think he actually plays the game atm
Actually I know he doesn't cuz he said as such. Blah blah burned himself out
crude notch
I guess if you put your fingers in your ears, you can't hear anything.
daring marlin
🤣
toxic pewter
I’m just telling it like it is, it is you guys that are not being objective about the situation
I keep a keen eye on the community and am involved in many of its aspects
crude notch
I'm sure you do bud
toxic pewter
It is you that is wrong
Keep in mind I am comparing it to prot warrior since df beta until 10.0.7. The comparison is stark
To say otherwise is just untrue
crude notch
Don't burn out now on that backpedal
toxic pewter
? I’m saying the amount of community talking shit about prot warr vs prot pally is wild. What don’t you get about that
daring marlin
LOL
toxic pewter
Yeah see you attack me personally because you know you are wrong
I have won this argument. You are weak as your argument
crude notch
apb, you're a known troll in this discord
daring marlin
We're not wrong. You're genuinely just talking shit.
toxic pewter
You have been beaten this day
You just label me a troll because you are too weak to argue with me directly
That is fine
You have already lost
modern brook
Technicallt
urban bane
Wowhead has been releasing their "why you should/shouldnt" play x class, and every tank article which isnt prot pally says "we arent prot pally, prot pally is op"; so the notion that community hasnt addressed it is pretty fried
daring marlin
MF you said you got burnt out on DF faster than SL. That's some giga troll shit.
modern brook
We all lost
toxic pewter
You are a lost soul wandering around resorting to personal attacks
modern brook
Cause ppal still better than pwar
toxic pewter
You can still save some face with acknowledging are wrong
daring marlin
"You guys I burnt myself out on DF already!!!"
toxic pewter
The silence deafens the discord as apb stands triumphantly
urban bane
oh wait this guy's a troll 🪤
daring marlin
"I timed 13 20s and did 2/8m I beat the game"
toxic pewter
Attack me directly instead of the argument that’s fine. I will sleep soundly knowing I have won this argument easily and swiftly
daring marlin
crude notch
apb, this is worse than your "delete haste" takes
daring marlin
stupid prot pallies
toxic pewter
I stand behind that
daring marlin
They can't keep getting away with it!!!!!
toxic pewter
My argument is just get rid of haste and make the abilities just play the correct pace
crude notch
I thought you said you're a Brew main now, why don't you hang out in Peak?
toxic pewter
I dabble with Brew but I cannot stray far from warr it’s true
toxic pewter
?
You talkin down on brewmaster now? That’s low even for the likes of you
Owned you guys hard this day
daring marlin
At least Paladins are basically Warriors that wield the light. Monks tho 
toxic pewter
It is done.
daring marlin
rat
daring marlin
sick sentinel
a warrior is a paladin in which the light is the warrior himself
the warrior believes in themself and not external factors
proper roost
ngl apb is actually hilarious
toxic pewter
💯
crude notch
BEGONE THOT
modern brook
a warrior is a paladin in which the light is the warrior himself
OH nvm In following
old sinew
My argument is just get rid of haste and make the abilities just play the correc...
to be fair, this is kind of based. I mean, keep haste procs in the game but eliminating haste as a secondary stat and just giving everyone 25-30% passive haste could be pretty lit. I hate low-haste gameplay. I played very late MoP and through WoD and never did CMs because low-haste gameplay made me want to tear my face off I hated it
downscaling your stats to blues during MoP and WoD... 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱
proper roost
hmm
no, that's kind of a shitty take tbh, because haste is one of the only interesting to play stats in the game left
toxic pewter
Yeah at the time when I said that we were literally the fastest spec in the game. People legitimately getting carpal tunnel. So I said, you know what, get rid of haste already, and just design the game better
proper roost
if every stat is like vers where it's just good number but doesn't change anything in actual gameplay it sucks
old sinew
no, that's kind of a shitty take tbh, because haste is one of the only interesti...
but you don't really say "oh I have more haste" you say "oh man I have so much less haste at the start of the expansion and while leveling and while gearing and in this first raid tier until I have near BIS"
proper roost
yeah, for sure that is weird
mighty valley
OH NO
toxic pewter
Lol
mighty valley
APB BAN HASTE IS BACK
proper roost
but removing one of the only interesting stats is not it
toxic pewter
I did not bring it back, someone mentioned it earlier thats all
old sinew
Here's my problem, should we really have a stat in the game that's like.... "if you don't have enough of it it feels like the game is laggy"?
sick sentinel
diablo 2 mechanics in wow could be cool
mighty valley
haste and sometimes mastery are the only ones right now where you actually feel a difference from choosing to gear them
of all the directions to take wow gearing, i think "more boring" should not be on the table at this time
proper roost
yeah, idk honestly. it's definitely an interesting question but also not salient to wow anymore
like
modern brook
Gearing is a relic
proper roost
that ship has SAILED
toxic pewter
No but imagine if the abilities just had the correct haste already in them... like not slow us down but just I guess a static pace of the spec... i guess that could get boring too though
proper roost
the whole idea of your character feeling weak at the start of an xpac and strong/op even at the end is kind of like, wow's whole thing now
and has been for ages
old sinew
and that's not really that great
proper roost
Shrug, it works
modern brook
the whole idea of your character feeling weak at the start of an xpac and strong...
Hard disagree
old sinew
does it work
daring marlin
When haste is sorta in effect CDR on certain abilities, I feel like having a static amount would feel uber lame.
toxic pewter
ya but imagine if they tuned each ability to just feel correct
daring marlin
Sounds annoying to balance.
What "feels correct" to you wouldn't be the same to someone else.
mighty valley
ya but imagine if they tuned each ability to just feel correct
feeling like you're growing more powerful is fun
old sinew
When haste is sorta in effect CDR on certain abilities, I feel like having a sta...
I mean its not static you'd still have haste procs, you'd still have bloodlust, etc.
toxic pewter
well thats where other cool stats that dont give me carpal tunnel come in
daring marlin
feeling like you're growing more powerful is fun
I agree.
old sinew
feeling like you're growing more powerful is fun
feeling like dog-shit at the start of expansion is not fun. I didn't play my bear for quite some time because low-haste bear feel like giga-ass especially on top of its class design issues.
toxic pewter
yah right now we feel slow at the start and too fast at the end, I think just a consistent meet in middle could be interesting I guess
old sinew
pwar had the benefit of just starting off with a very fast playstyle early on but not every tank was that way. Actually my BDK felt sluggish too until it was better geared
mighty valley
yeah, i think there are misses for sure, i just don't think killing one of the very few parts of gearing you can feel is the right solution
the real right solution is "rethink gear stats. again."
toxic pewter
I dont mind haste as much these days tbh, I was just saying that literally a year ago when we were all getting carpal tunnel
old sinew
and it still feels sluggish whenever I'm not standing in D&D to be fair, I need that haste aura and I also need my haste buff from bone armor to feel "fine", and I feel "not fine" when I drop below that haste value
mighty valley
i don't think i could ever consistently play one of the circle gamer tanks
old sinew
if you have to move for a mechanic out of your D&D and can't drop a D&D again or can't move back into it yikes I can feel the difference
proper roost
tbh not really sure the stats themselves are the issue but gearing as a whole being pretty boring in mmorpg, and that's just a permanent problem that they've been trying to iterate on
old sinew
also, side-note, I realized part of what makes AA so fun - that 5% haste buff just feels so good, its like an artificial high
on every tank I play (pwar/bear/bdk) that 5% haste is just so gucci
in fact if I run AA twice or three times in a row for whatever reason (key depletes or just grinding that key for whatever reason) and then run another key I feel sluggish
Granted this whole discussion is moot because they'll never get rid of haste its just an interesting thought experiment
proper roost
i mean yeah I just think wow's too far gone for such an idea
the whole idea of stats as wow has them is kinda shitty
toxic pewter
right my premise is just make the game feel that way to begin with like all the time
proper roost
How does ffxiv do stats 🤔
is it literally just number big, number go up, you do bigger number
mighty valley
ffxiv gearing is like... even more shallow
proper roost
figured as much
mighty valley
with a ton of gem sockets on top
old sinew
I am curious though, if the 10.3 Andies are right, what in the heck 10.3.7 (Season 5) will look like. Have we ever had an expansion like that?
scarlet mesa
why is shield charge so loud
toxic pewter
I am curious though, if the 10.3 Andies are right, what in the heck 10.3.7 (Seas...
wat u mean what is 10.3 about
crude notch
Season 5?
old sinew
wat u mean what is 10.3 about
Some people think we'll get 4 major seasons.
crude notch
10.3 would be season 4.
old sinew
okay
but we know we're getting a "Fated Affix" type season
Ion's said as much
so we'd end with 5
4 major seasons and then a season for all of the raids to come back
mighty valley
The "Bonus Season" was basically new to SL, which had three major patches, so this would be the first
proper roost
a 5 season expansion would be unprecedented, yeah
proper roost
are you talking about like, overall power gain from the start of the expansion though?
i think in terms of that, it might be MoP in terms of how much stronger player power was from 5.0 to 5.4, but that also included giga stupid legendary
old sinew
its part of the reason I think people are off their rocker when they say we'll get a 10.3. I'm pretty sure we're getting a 10.2 and then Iridikron fucks off through a portal and comes back in 11.1 with some tentacles or whatever, basically pulls a guldan
daring marlin
How does ffxiv do stats 🤔
It's pretty basic but sorta dumb. They have two seperate stats for haste. Skillspeed and spellspeed. Also two seperate vers like stats. Determination is straight damage and Tenacity that is basically vers but more defense oriented.
proper roost
never underestimate blizzard's ability to pull a completely random raid theme/story out of their ass for one of the seasons
odd bone
hi guys whats the best horde race for mythic plus for us ?
crude notch
Race doesn't matter
chilly brook
a 5 season expansion would be unprecedented, yeah
Yesnt
crude notch
So play whatever you like your mog on
chilly brook
If they continue with the post season thing that they did in SL we’d get 5
Assuming 4 regular seasons
proper roost
it would make DF an insanely long expansion
chilly brook
Eh
proper roost
and also that would be betting on 0 delays happening
chilly brook
Not really
proper roost
And that my friend is an absolutely losing bet
not even sure when the last time blizz didn't have a delay on an expansion was!
chilly brook
You can have 5 seasons without it being an insanely long expansion
The only reason we even had a 4th season in SL was because they decided to try something new and not have a content drought
So you can easily have 5 instead of just 4
Without lengthening the expac
proper roost
I just wouldn't bet on Blizz to keep a proper consistent release schedule for DF
because they literally never have
chilly brook
Also content cadence is pretty good so far in DF
proper roost
I mean yeah
chilly brook
because they literally never have
Wrong
proper roost
welcome to every other expansion
chilly brook
Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a constant patch cadence
proper roost
the vast majority of expansions started out with their first patch coming out really well
in terms of timing
daring marlin
Not the last two, hence every other rule being broken.
mighty valley
they've been signaling that they're really, really trying to hit a better patch cadence this time... but then they started bleeding people again
chilly brook
well okay, so say one expansion
Mop was also very consistent
Outside of the last patch lasting 10 years
proper roost
ok, you actually can't say that for mop lmao
SoO was so long i had people quit and rejoin after months and it was still that raid
chilly brook
Thank you for stating the one thing I said
proper roost
yes, because it's the MAJOR point that kills the whole claim for that expansion
mighty valley
this isn't very productive
yes, it's been pretty rare that they've managed to keep the patch cadence consistent
chilly brook
yes, because it's the MAJOR point that kills the whole claim for that expansion
Not really, last patches are ALWAYS much longer than the patch cadence of everything else
Simply because it’s the end of the xpac and you’re waiting for the new xpac
mighty valley
now i want to ask you some very complicated but ultimately pointless sim to run, just to occupy you
chilly brook
Like yes it’s a black spot on mop
But it also doesn’t take away a fairly fast patch cycle
mighty valley
The graph shows Shadowlands patch cadence was actually consistent................ LY BAD
gottem
mighty valley
amazing what being understaffed going into a pandemic can do
pallid quiver
I'm concerned for your well being, Ghash
warm plinth
Why
pallid quiver
I think you need to get professional help if you enjoy looking at this face
daring marlin
gottem
warm plinth
Any face is better than my face
daring marlin
we got self deprecation in spades here in skyhold
warm plinth
Nah I'm actually okay with my appearance
daring marlin
good
daring marlin
Eating in a deficit is aids but it works
pallid quiver
I'm not okay with the fact I was born
holy hell this world sucks don't recommend kids thinking about being born humans suck
daring marlin
-guy who LOVES FOOD
warm plinth
Eating in a deficit is aids but it works
Yeah I'm working on it. I have BED though so it's not as simple as that XD
daring marlin
Booooo
warm plinth
Insurance won't cover the medication for it either and I can't afford $400 a month
pallid quiver
i don't know what BED is and google is just giving me this weird piece of furniture that you "sleep" on?
warm plinth
Binge Eating Disorder
pallid quiver
Ahhhh
warm plinth
There's a medication for it that is generally used for ADHD but is FDA approved for the disorder, but it's hard to get approval for it since it's not its primary function.
old sinew
you clearly did not remember people suffering from how boring xavius was
ToV came hot on its heels tho. This is a meme that people were just twiddling their thumbs for ten thousand years waiting for the next tier
mighty valley
i'm originally from the UK and I'm just now having my first American experience of "your doctor thinks this drug would really help you but insurance would prefer you suffer"
warm plinth
Yeah it's stupid
The fucked up thing is I called the insurance company to see if it was approved for it prior to my doctor even attempting to prescribe it, and they said it was covered as long as they had prior authorization (which is a thing in the US where your doctor basically has to call the insurance company and beg for it)
vocal mica
I’ve had to send patients to specialists who don’t really need to waste time seeing them for something I can handle, only because insurance requires something be ordered from a subspecialist. Can’t even call and say I talked it over with them.
mighty valley
cool system!!
vocal mica
Like, thanks for delaying care so you can check your boxes, psychos
pallid quiver
anything to make sure money doesn't go away from them
they'd kick an infant for a dime
only reason it wouldn't be for less is because they'd "haggle" you up to at least a dime
raven scroll
do we know what embellishments to look for in 10.1
warm plinth
I believe the winners right now are shadowflame and frostfire belt
clever heart
I believe the winners right now are shadowflame and frostfire belt
wait not larait ?
strong forum
Nerfed
warm plinth
Lariat was nerfed, at least during progression. And I believe mooman was doing sims with it maxed out and it still wasn't beating shadowflame/frostfire
pastel remnant
How Prot warrior looks for 10.1 (raid and m+) overall. Not sure which tank Play this season
clever heart
O sick !
HEY Nomeratur, ur pinned message about the ring, is that up to date for patch 10.1 ? like is it comparable to a 440 ring.
OR is that info just comparing it to 421 rings.
basically, in raid & m+ should we use the ring next season ?
plush tendon
How Prot warrior looks for 10.1 (raid and m+) overall. Not sure which tank Play ...
will prob be solid
idk the damage profiles of the raid, but prot is fun AF sooooo
empty locust
is there any good recommendations for the best first crafted item to upgrade? was thinking shield
stone pike
I'm just waiting for guides to be updated for that one since there's going to be some new, and nerfed, crafted items.
stone pike
Lariat for example is going to be useless in 10.1 unless you have a half dozen sockets.
torn gulch
but i might wait until i get the second spark see the first season 2 vault to see what i upgrade
warm plinth
Yeah shield is a good first upgrade. Weapon will have to be simmed against embellishments though because of how strong they are.
empty locust
yeah cool cheers gents
torn gulch
shadowflame patch/frostfire?
warm plinth
yeah
torn gulch
is frostfire good on it's own?
warm plinth
Both are doing pretty stupid amounts of damage. I think the frostfire log I saw was like 3.5% overall
Yep
It got doubled I think in a buff not very long ago.
(in 10.1)
torn gulch
then i guess shield, something like boots with shadowflame and then weapon to 447
and then frostfire
warm plinth
Yeah though you can sim weapon against the embellishments and see what would be better. If we're talking like a weapon upgrade from 421 to 447 then weapon is probably going to win. For small upgrades, you'd probably have to sim it.
torn gulch
and i'm removing the anulet as quickly as i can get a 441 decent ring
this ring is pissing me off
at this point
inland mesa
Does shadowflame proc frostfire belt or won't we lose it after we upgrade over eranog ring?
plush tendon
and i'm removing the anulet as quickly as i can get a 441 decent ring
im with you on that
im ready for some season 2 gear
torn gulch
i want dual haste/crit or vers rings at 441+ as fast as possible
naive panther
Any of you jumping on pally bandwagon tomorrow for m+? I've been playing ret past few weeks and easily surpassed my warriors io. Debating if I start also playing prot pally, since my war was although big damage, about impossible to get in groups and move score up, plus didn't feel that great defensively.
warm plinth
Frostfire belt procs on its own @inland mesa We use the belt to proc the ring, not the other way around.
naive panther
I have every tank class geared up. But stopped playing all of them.
torn gulch
i will actually play prot war prot pala guardian at the beginning of season 2 i don't raid anyway
straight in m+
doing endless keys
warm plinth
moooooooooo
naive panther
Ya just do m+ other then couple raid bosses. But getting tier at start is lame.
naive panther
Not sure what I'm playing. Whatever is easiest I guess.
warm plinth
Are you accounting for the stat changes they did on tier today @astral atlas
Chest and legs are crit/mastery now
Idk an hour maybe?
rip
warm plinth
the fuck
Was I looking at the wrong one or something
Oh they are both mastery crit already
tired girder
I am new to prot warrior and still leveling a new one.
I have a simples question for you guys, you use ignore pain when shield block is on CD? or when you should use it?
torn gulch
you'll want a 447 crafted weapon and hope for a 447 forgestorm in the vault
from what i heard
oh yeah for sure
shield first
then shadowflame patch second
then weapon/frostfire
then it's free real estate
warm plinth
What slots can shadowflame be on
So you could just do weapon + shadowflame at the same time
warm plinth
Oh
torn gulch
it says it's an armor patch
warm plinth
I haven't looked at any of that
I just listen to what moo and Nome tell me
and ask questions later
warm plinth
Yeah I'm very interested in knowing whether weapon outsims patch
torn gulch
i'll need some big boy haste pants
warm plinth
Not really surprising since haste is not actually a great offensive stat once you have a decent amount.
Even in the current patch, other stats will outsim it
warm plinth
still our best defensive stat and not a bad offensive stat so you can definitely prioritize it without a huge issue
torn gulch
well head and pants have the same secondary budget anyway
if i am not mistaken
we're crafting head
hoping for 450 tier shoulders from vault at some point
torn gulch
actually hoping that we can pug 3 mythic bosses
for chance at that higher tier
i won't see any mythic items from last 2 anyway
warm plinth
The only mythic loot change was to the ability to target bosses by only killing those bosses
Now if you kill say, boss 5, you get loot from the first 5 even if you didn't kill the other 4
warm plinth
doge
urban portal
The real question is how are they gonna count split routes
warm plinth
what do you mean
You should still be able to get 450 tier because of how raid tier vault slots work
torn gulch
so tier has not been changed
warm plinth
Not that they've said, no
So if you get shoulders from a mythic boss, you should still get the appropriate ilevel shoulders from the tier boss in the raid
if it procs tier
torn gulch
so what i am curious if i do first 3 mythic bosses do i have the chance to proc the 450 shoulder tier from vault? which is normally form 8th boss
warm plinth
yes
toxic pewter
Is that true
warm plinth
Unless they changed it without saying anything, it should sitll work as it does currently.
for tier
torn gulch
then that's good
torn gulch
we'll see how many bosses will be pugable on mythic
toxic pewter
Interesting
warm plinth
Man nothing is particularly appealing this month in trading post
torn gulch
tbh the difference between 447 tier and 450 tier is whatever
i want a 447 forgestorm first
warm plinth
it do be like that
torn gulch
vault might become sidegrade at most in like 2-3 months in the tier
warm plinth
Maybe this season I'll get a 421 weapon on a spec that matters instead of on my warrior trying to get a trinket and getting a 2h polearm 😠
I'm literally haunted by the polearm from 2nd boss of SBG
torn gulch
i kinda want to get my items from vault so i can craft for the dps specs
warm plinth
I've gotten it like 4 times
torn gulch
the moment i have 2 441+ decent rings i am trowing my annulet away even if it a dps loss
warm plinth
pastel remnant
question about crafted gear. if i have an 392 shield. at 10.1 i will be able to recraft it to 420 without spark?
torn gulch
no
pastel remnant
so if my toon is kinda new and i can only craft 392 , i should not focus on that?
odd bone
guys i am playing to returning to wow , and i want to play prot warrior , is a good moment to cath up ? its hard atm ? and prot warrior is on a good place ? 🙂
prisma crane
kindof a bummer we still kept 2x Mastery heavy tier, especially on 2 of our biggest slots
torn gulch
well it is what it is
prisma crane
at least shaman got rid of most of their mastery
went from on 5 of their pieces to 1 lol
warm plinth
Yeah, downside of sharing with the other specs, which iirc both like mastery?
torn gulch
arms is crit haste right?
prisma crane
yea
torn gulch
fury wants mastery
warm plinth
oh, that's interesting. I guess I am just remembering BFA where they wanted the mastery corruption
torn gulch
a lot
prisma crane
but we have 3x mastery heavy
warm plinth
I'll make you mastery heavy you sexy bitch
prisma crane
on all of our largest stat budget pieces too
warm plinth
Think I'm gonna main destro if this outlaw shit keeps up
prisma crane
been messing around on a prevoker and bringing back my ele as well
prisma crane
also probably going to level a druid because that fucking elite pvp set for druids looks fucking amazing
warm plinth
rdruid?
prisma crane
i hate healing in pvp
warm plinth
oh
warm plinth
Gotcha. Still good choice
prisma crane
yea, i mean i can try to mix it up, druid is still super foreign for me and my bars/bindings dont work well for the shapeshifting bar changes so i have to figure that out too
when you make bad decisions that still work because you mostly just play one class one spec has consequences...
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
We are
prisma crane
most certainly early patch you will
warm plinth
Shadowflame and frostfire are the winning embellishments
prisma crane
might come back when you're full socketed
kind estuary
Shadowflame and frostfire are the winning embellishments
is this assuming we keep the diurna ring?
kind estuary
whats the shadowflame embelishment?
stone pike
Was that belt not the optimal choice before? I'm wondering why I crafted it for my warrior then...
Oh maybe for the ring proc
fresh igloo
Was that belt not the optimal choice before? I'm wondering why I crafted it for ...
previously it was fine, but it procced the ring
warm plinth
Yeah it was optimal for the ring
About the same as the other embellishments otherwise
kind estuary
Shadowflame and frostfire are the winning embellishments
what is the shadowflame embelishment?
the shield?
Shadowed Impact Buckler?
torn gulch
no
kind estuary
Excellent. TY. Prolly put that on Weapon?>
torn gulch
it's an armor patch
pastel remnant
if i spend all my spark for my fury build and guild ask me to go prot for the raid. i have an other warrior not gearr but not spend my spark , should i switch to be able to craft 392 gear ( the good one) or its not really mather about the spark?
torn gulch
392 gear does not really matter anymore because of the item level
warm plinth
No, the stats aren't going to hold you back regardless
And we'll have new sparks starting tomorrow
torn gulch
i mean you'll be able to do 408 crafted gear with minimal effort
which is better than 392
pastel remnant
each 2 week
stone pike
if i spend all my spark for my fury build and guild ask me to go prot for the ra...
Just play three warriors. Problem solved.
warm plinth
each 2 week
Correct, but we get the first one tomorrow
warm plinth
Just play three warriors. Problem solved.
like this?
stone pike
like this?
Exactly. Who needs a social life anyway?
hardy snow
like this?
3x prot better, who needs arms/fury 🤷♂️
stone pike
Planning on getting a bunch of them to 70 during the diablo event
Is there an xp boost then?
warm plinth
yeah, 50%
Same buff as the winds of wisdom thing we've had in the past, but named something different
stone pike
Neat. Maybe I'll get in on that to level my remaining alts.
crude notch
3 weeks of 50% xp buff, niceu.
daring marlin
yup
toxic pewter
Wen
daring marlin
when d4 launches
hardy snow
When is that happening this xp boost
when D4 will be released, there is gonna be event in wow
crude notch
May 24th-June 14th
daring marlin
bruh lmao
crude notch
there abouts
warm plinth
I gotta do 29 characters in 21 days
Think I can?
I think my fastest leveling was ~7 hours so far. So with 50% XP it should be like 4 1/2 hours per toon
6.2 hours of leveling every day
I don't know if I can do that
warm plinth
Do you wanna help me level @daring marlin
daring marlin
I'm lazy af when leveling
I just mindlessly did TW while watching youtube videos
just so I could finish normal/heroic mogs through the catalyst
warm plinth
Weren't you one of the people leveling with me and Jordan back in like SL or BFA?
daring marlin
nawwww
daring marlin
It's been fuckin' 30-40 and cloudy the past week
I just wanna soak up the sun in my tanktops man
shit is brutal
crude notch
The sun has definitely not been out here.
warm plinth
I got these all to 60 in Shadowlands
warm plinth
A really good one
scarlet mesa
like this shit is the only reason im alive lmao
i appreciate the occasional heal I get but for the most part ive got myself, it feels like
i feel like you would need a healer up your ass otherwise to survive
torn gulch
War in DF can sustain itself much more thanks to talents like these
mighty valley
We had Indom in SL but we didn't get random 10+% leech for free
warm plinth
Indom has been around for a while but it was a shit talent because it was literally just 10% max health
crude notch
Yes we did it used to be a lego in legion
Consider goalpost moved.
"We had indom in SL but we didn't have 10+% leech for free"
"Yes we did on a lego in legion"
warm plinth
In Legion I think it has like an IP bonus or some shit? But we already had 90% IP so it wasn't really that great anyway.
had*
And I believe it was on the same row as ItF if I remember correctly
torn gulch
In legion bracers had the 1% heal per 10 rage
warm plinth
But yeah current Indom is the old talent combined with the legion legendary
warm plinth
It scales too based on haste (rage generation) and gear (health)
Which makes it extra good
scarlet mesa
buttons like thunderous roar are kind of whatever buttons
warm plinth
Gives rage, does damage, what more do you want
crude notch
play an ARPG then I guess
dense barn
pallid quiver
"L"
i am interested in your setup
scarlet mesa
( if my binds look sus in places its because my mouse needs keys macro'd to it, its dumb, so I put them in the opposite end of the planet )
i dont actually press L, just a mouse button
pallid quiver
as long as it's a mashable mouse button
floral tapir
why is heroic leap unbound :(
scarlet mesa
like I said this setup is for insane people
crude notch
Okay but your taunt
scarlet mesa
will be bound
me having 0 clue what to do with these on some action bar in the distance
i need a break
ive been grinding awhile now
torn gulch
the day when i remove the annulet is the day i will be happy
crude notch
just remove it, 4head
scarlet mesa
That's a lot of stamina
torn gulch
yeah i can't now because i don't have a proper ring
but i will the moment i get a proper ring in season 2
pallid quiver
just remove it and don't replace it with anything
torn gulch
kekeke
scarlet mesa
I never had to put it in on my dk
Because it sucks on unholy
Which is where i will be tomorrow it seems
pallid quiver
It's bad if you're geared and good for Prot War
scarlet mesa
Figured
pallid quiver
that's the funny ring thing, right?
i've skipped like most of the catch-up
I logged on for one day
scarlet mesa
I got ditched by my mythic+ friends so I'm trying to scrounge up new people that i know
daring marlin
pallid quiver
I only have like, 2 binds on KB
scarlet mesa
pallid quiver
it's just more comfortable to me to chuck them all on the mmo mouse buttons
scarlet mesa
It's not going great, but oh well
torn gulch
i play with qerf12345
then F1-F12,SF1-F12,CTrlF1-F12 on my mouse
daring marlin
I run with the same keybinds on XIV even :^)
daring marlin
tanking fun tho
AND
OFFSPEC GEAR GONNA BE WAY LESS TERRIBLE NEXT PATCH
big pog
scarlet mesa
I like my unholy dk
daring marlin
roll blood
daring marlin
spreading disease is the fantasy you jive with?
scarlet mesa
I much prefer a tank where i just mitigate damage
daring marlin
daring marlin
pallid quiver
well, you get the raising the dead part with blood dk
as long as you pug, of course
scarlet mesa
I just don't really like how it forces me to park with dnd
pallid quiver
raise dead's in high demand as a treatment for DPS brain rot
daring marlin
prot pally, guardian and blood can all raise the idiots
scarlet mesa
And death strike is scary
pallid quiver
And your average DPS brainrot body is about as intelligent as your average pet ghoul
daring marlin
I love DPS.
scarlet mesa
Frankly as I've leveled i want to strangle pug dps
pallid quiver
DPS are the most likely to suffer from it, because there's just something that can turn working human beings into just potatoes
But I actually like DPS more than Healers, because they're what clears content
stone pike
pov, im going insane keybinding all this shit
If you don't mind doing a teensy bit of clicking my advice is to not keybind it all. Some of the stuff is used a lot less and you can just stick on an accessible bar to manually use. Stormbolt and Challenging Shout for example.
pallid quiver
no don't, keybind everything
except taunt, if someone needs you to taunt a mob off them, tell them DPS issue, and taunt swaps telegraphed anyway
But we don't have that many keybinds compared to other classes, so everything should really be keybound
stone pike
I ran out of easy to reach keybinds if I'm being honest and I hate using the shift/control modifiers.
scarlet mesa
If you don't mind doing a teensy bit of clicking my advice is to not keybind it ...
Yeah i do click some shit
Despite the negative connotations
On any class
daring marlin
scarlet mesa
For the same reason yeah, if it's not used enough I'm not going to be super shocked to remember it
21 is the highest key I've ever done and that was way too much for me lol
cinder nova
bind your bars to potatoes rigged to electrical circuits
slim dove
please don't advise clicking key abilities like AOE taunt and storm bolt.
pallid quiver
There are parts of me that missing pressing Devastate
cinder nova
It'd be nice if Devastator was more than just a passive.
pallid quiver
it's just like, it was the ability of a REAL prot war to me as a youngling seeing BC come out
cinder nova
Like maybe a certain number of auto crits we get an active press
Or something more directly controlled
cinder nova
Listen, I don't care that it's just an autoswing buff. The core is so, so great.
urban bane
oh no S. is cooking again
cinder nova
Absolutely.
dusky canopy
has it been said weather or not we can still use left over valor tomorrow on s1 gear?
scarlet mesa
No
cinder nova
Only so much you can spend anyway
may as well spend it if you're that worried, or just cash out.
dusky canopy
well ive been banking incase i get a 405 to drop in my shit slots but not much luck
daring marlin
whetstone meh
scarlet mesa
I'm still annoyed blizzard decided to not nerf the puzzle box more
daring marlin
that would require it to drop in the first place and then have them trade it to you!
I might just go on a mission next week to spam as many HoV as I can to get the shield
ain't shit else to do tbh
scarlet mesa
This is actually my first season
torn gulch
offseason for a week
scarlet mesa
So i didn't know
daring marlin
you big goof
dusky canopy
yes you can still do s1 dungeons next week
scarlet mesa
I hadn't played since Pandaria
torn gulch
pandaria, oh hills of gold!
daring marlin
god I loved pandaria
scarlet mesa
And i played ret then
daring marlin
until siege
scarlet mesa
I was a 5.4 baby
dusky canopy
Pandaria was my fav too
scarlet mesa
I still have nostalgia for siege
daring marlin
member when people said wrath baby
torn gulch
pandaria, oh hills of gold!
this is the start of what pandaria cinematic?
scarlet mesa
I spent so much time in that damn raid
daring marlin
I'm so sorry
scarlet mesa
I remember not being allowed to go to my guilds heroic raids because i was melee
And they wanted ranged to not have to deal with mechanics
daring marlin
get rika outta here
daring marlin
I LOVE HIGURASHI
warm plinth
too much weeb in here
warm plinth
scarlet mesa
I wanted to get my girlfriend some rika stuff but none of the figures were very tasteful
daring marlin
too much weeb in here
hey shut up I haven't watched anime in years
last one was probably steins;gate
...probably
scarlet mesa
Turns out i don't want a figure of an 11 year old covered with sticky ice cream in a swim suit but you do you Japan
daring marlin
IT WAS YEARS AGO
warm plinth
Turns out i don't want a figure of an 11 year old covered with sticky ice cream ...
what the fuck
scarlet mesa
The figure market is very... Ecchi
And these characters in particular are rather young
cinder nova
#protection 2023
scarlet mesa
Higurashi itself isn't a sexual series, it's more full of gore then anything, so it's just merch that's lewd to sell merch that's lewd
crystal mauve
Can someone remind me the max duration of shield block (with and without bolster?) 🙂
pallid quiver
3x SB duration, Bolster is separate
So you can stuck up to 18 without Enduring Defenses, 24 with
daring marlin
When you take bolster just do your best not to instinctively hit SB.
pallid quiver
And Bolster's on a separate time
daring marlin
when LS is up
pallid quiver
<#148897941883584512> 2023
Honestly, this isn't even getting into the real weeb hellholes
the people i actually consider weebs need to be sprayed with a pressure hose; things get real degenerate
scarlet mesa
Lmao
I don't even watch anime, i just like visual novels of the murder mystery variety
daring marlin
Surely they have no idea how to make a distinction between them. :^)
pallid quiver
If you're talking for the younging ones, I actually don't see as much active degeneracy from that crowd.
holy hell have i seen some shit from the other end of this spectrum tho
scarlet mesa
The stuff i like is more messed up because of the violent murder more than anything
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
Goood morning Ghash, ily.
ionic fern
mwahi t30 sim wen reee
What do you want?
cerulean tusk
That you ban him ofc 
torn gulch
he wants all the numbers
warm plinth
Season 2 coming soon Mwahi, are you gonna play?
ionic fern
Yes.
ionic fern
mwahi t30 sim wen reee
Already done them.
~89 - 90k
Think Nom did some further yesterday.
I do have to update the profile in SIMC tho.
ionic fern
Season 2 coming soon Mwahi, are you gonna play?
Yes, how about you?
warm plinth
I am going to try, but I don't have an M+ team anymore so it might be tricky
torn gulch
we're ready to get destroyed in overtuned m+
pallid quiver
just get 5 computers and be the team yourself
torn gulch
kekeke
warm plinth
Since I didn't get the day shift position, I'm gonna be pugging with OCE a lot
torn gulch
Since I didn't get the day shift position, I'm gonna be pugging with OCE a lot
god help you
ionic fern
I am going to try, but I don't have an M+ team anymore so it might be tricky
I'm just raid logging.
warm plinth
I usually don't mind it tbh
ionic fern
For now.
warm plinth
I'm gonna spend a lot of the earlier part of the season leveling
Gonna utilize the 50% xp buff coming up to try to get as many of my non-70s to 70 as possible
I'm hoping that at least part of it falls on my vacation week which is the last week in May
ionic fern
Gonna utilize the 50% xp buff coming up to try to get as many of my non-70s to 7...
Is that together with timewalking?
Or is timewalking ending?
warm plinth
Time walking will end before then
I'll probably do some of my healers while time walking is still going but I prefer to do most specs with questing
cinder nova
Already done them.
yisss
warm plinth
I don't think we have exact dates yet. My guess is either leading up to d4 launch or with d4 launch
warm plinth
Spamming dungeons is boring as hell but questing in heal spec is worse
warm plinth
Oh nifty
I am cautiously certain that time walking will be the preferred leveling method during that week as long as the bonus xp from completing the dungeon is modified by the buff.
ionic fern
Spamming dungeons is boring as hell but questing in heal spec is worse
What.
Spamming dungeons is the best.
Running around questing is..ugh.
No.
crude notch
Mwahi gets it
warm plinth
I would much rather quest. Time walking kills my brain
It is more fun if you have friends with you but I normally don't because my friends aren't crazy and leveling 39 toons
keen spear
Hello! Started my warrior recently, and I play other tanks, but Im not great at figuring out how to rotate my defensives as a warrior against like Hyrja or other hard hitting bosses. Shield wall, demo and plus an IP?
ionic fern
Depends on the level of the dungeon.
SW+IP.
DS+SR+IP + dstance.
Spell Block.
SW+IP again.
keen spear
I tried a 20, but my warrior was like 398 on a Tyra and I had no clue how to warrior
ionic fern
On a +20 those will work fine what i just said.
keen spear
Sicko mode, thanks!
orchid frigate
Haven’t finished raid tmog set for my alt, do I get valor coming reset as well?
stone pike
SW+IP again.
Can't you put in spell reflect every time too? Short enough cd for it.
ionic fern
Sure.
shell mortar
Can't you put in spell reflect every time too? Short enough cd for it.
Yep you can SR every Hyrja beam
tawdry perch
Hello. Been tanking with warrior from mid season 1, nothing too Fancy, but managed to get up to 2850ish. My question is, how much do you you guys Stance dance in m+?
Like, ive havent done that at all, yet i feel like i should be doing more dps to help party out.
pallid quiver
Well
It sounds like you've been in Def Stance the entire time
ionic fern
Eee...i've gone to dstance only a number of times over the season.
pallid quiver
which is the exact opposite of what what we recommend on average
pallid quiver
I tap it only for specific ouchies or if the healer has gone afk
the latter is not uncommon in pugs
stone pike
Pugging is why I never leave defensive stance.
scarlet mesa
i had to redo my keybindings after having a mental breakdown about not knowing where anything is
stone pike
That kinda strat sounds like a pro move when you can actually trust your group to cover your ass properly.
pallid quiver
Well
Your healer has to be literally afk if you're playing right
ionic fern
What lvls are you pugging that you're sitting in dstance? o.o
I've almost exclusively pugged the second half of the season and i don't even have dstance bound.
stone pike
All of them? Why would I leave it?
ionic fern
I literally click it with my mouse when i need it.
pallid quiver
Question in response: why do you need it?
ionic fern
BEcause the incoming damage is laughable at most levels and you do more DPS in bStance?
scarlet mesa
view battle stance as 10% more damage and 3% crit chance
more damage is more mitigation
mitigation good
pallid quiver
I only ever dance just to have the muscle memory down if I do higher keys
In 20s, you can 100% just bstance the entire time, even for the spooky tankbusters. Unless your healer is, again, literally afk
stone pike
I see. And that comes out to being better than defensive stance?
cinder nova
Yes. Surviving is a very low bar.
warm plinth
Well, defensive stance is better in basically one scenario: I need it to survive.
Battle Stance is better in any scenario other than that.
pallid quiver
Def Stance just make your HP bar not go down
That's not how you clear content, you clear content by killing the mobs
As long as you're gonna live, D Stance doesn't help clear
warm plinth
And at a certain level, you will need it to survive at least some tankbusters
warm plinth
Along with other CDs
scarlet mesa
how do you die with a 45 sec cheat death
warm plinth
Skillz
scarlet mesa
i mean, i just know they have no idea how to play the game
they roll on stat priority and not ilvl as a tank
stone pike
I get what you're saying running with pugs all season has just made me assume the worst when it comes to damage intake.
pallid quiver
Damage intake is something you control yourself, though
stone pike
I have seen some truly bad players