if i put on all the cheese, this is my haste with ITF and self buffs
#protection
sick sentinel
strong forum
Im a dictionary otp
sick sentinel
im a dictionary otp of tanks and or ice magics
any game that has good ice magic i can spam, thats what i do normally, like if it also freezes too
its because im from canada
grizzled kite
How did your season start go? What build
hardy snow
i use alts only for professions and farming drops from rares
Why would I go to dungeon or raid on some shitty character, if I can do it on my superior warrior
strong forum
How did your season start go? What build
Boneshatter
I suck at poe so it never goes well
slim dove
daring marlin
spamming m+ actually looking for upgrades(which will never drop) is gonna be interesting.
torn gulch
well technically you can be 441+ by the end of the third week of the season but that will require A LOT of keys
probably like 150+ 17+ to be sure you might get most of the gear
strong forum
That's 60 more keys than I've done this season
lusty tiger
That's 60 more keys than I've done this season
torn gulch
yea but you don't really play that much
i have people in my guild that did 600+ keys this season
without m+ I have a feeling a lot of people will bail out of modern wow much earlier into a patch
strong forum
There's a dude out there with 980 timed keys this season
So if you take into account that on high keys you only time 50% or less of keys
I think we came to the conclusion of an average of 14 keys per day since launch
lusty tiger
That guy needs help
strong forum
Guy does more keys per day than I do in a month
left basalt
He's having fun oh well?
strong forum
Well sure
left basalt
My key average is probably nuts, but its my first season and I dove in head first.
torn gulch
I have around 200 keys this season but i did not played as much
I was having a look at the entire upgrade system next patch and if you play hard you'll get geared pretty fast
You can be basically fishing only for either 447 vault or 447 crafted gear within the first 3-4 weeks of the patch
That's pretty crazy to me outside of let's say RWF guilds
strong forum
If you raid you can be full 441+ geared by week 2
torn gulch
If you raid you can be full 441+ geared by week 2
IF
Some people play m+ only for various reasons
toxic pewter
Any of you guys know which dungeons may need to learn route for season 2
Like which dungeons gonna have the routeLords coming out of the woodwork
sick sentinel
undersuck
cuz there are many viable ways to pull that dungeon
green is primary route yellow is secondary, orange is required pathing.
note, at the start you need to physically look at the 2 ramps, and see which group has an extra monster and go to the opposite ramp of that
changes each time you do the dungeon im pretty sure
primal crypt
It is I
daring marlin
There's a dude out there with 980 *timed* keys this season
And here I thought the rdruid I did my 24 Nokhud with was nuts for having 230+ 20+ keys timed
He hadn't cracked 3100 yet. Poor dude said he was stuck in pug hell. He was good so idk.
ashen coral
Update : I tested and there was not a big difference between with haste and without haste (in the sense that I could still have ignore pain and shield block 100% of the tume, and I could still do my rotation)
About the dps I have used the addon to see the difference, for the first screen I have no haste gear (only crit + vers) and for the second image I have haste + crit
The dps are low because I crafted these gears just for the test so my ilvl is low (287)
I will try to see with high ilvl (currently I go from 2% to 13%) to see if the difference is bigger, but in term of rage generation it’s still enough without haste
tropic tangle
eh, really the point about more rage gen isn't just "have SB and IP up on a target dummy", it's that more haste = more rage = more CDR on SWall and Avatar + more Outburst procs
since IP is off GCD, you can always dump excess rage and generate more Outburst which is more damage and again more rage to feed that cycle
ashen coral
eh, really the point about more rage gen isn't just "have SB and IP up on a targ...
Except the SW part, these are all dps issues, if dps are the same then it’s not an issue right ?
tropic tangle
I mean, taking your play on dummies isn't some conclusive evidence that the gain is small
vocal mica
Swapped out thunderous roar after running Avatar for most of the patch, idk if that’s dumb-dumb
tropic tangle
Or is that a sim? either way, simming low end gear sets is probably not useful to really determining how useful something is within the context of available gear
tropic tangle
Swapped out thunderous roar after running Avatar for most of the patch, idk if t...
pretty sure most people use both
ashen coral
So I sim with high ilvl, "arceried" is my current set
In the first picture I swapped almost every equipment with crafted vers+crit item
In the second picture I use crafted haste+vers
Even though the sim is not perfectly consistent (arceried set has a 1k variation despite being the same gears between the two pictures), we can see that the first image (crit + vers, 41k) has better dps than the second image (haste + vers, 38k)
tropic tangle
not sure why you're running sims like that, it's not valid situation because you likely won't ever isolate stats like that
ashen coral
So the only difference is for Shield Wall and rage generation, I didn’t face issue with a no haste warrior so I think it’s not a big difference although haste is smoother
tropic tangle
that's why everyone recommends running top gear sims, and not stat weight sims
as your stats shift, so does their relative value
ashen coral
not sure why you're running sims like that, it's not valid situation because you...
Why ? I replaced almost all haste vers for vers crit, I think it’s a valid comparison since it’s the same ilvl
No bonus set for the two scenarios
chilly brook
So I sim with high ilvl, "arceried" is my current set
In the first picture I sw...
Yes we already knew crit is better for dps
This isn’t a new revelation
That being said you would be better off going haste/crit
Instead of vers/crit
ashen coral
I thought vers was the second priority in term of stat ?
chilly brook
In terms of defensive value give or take
All stats are good
In terms of actually wanting to push damage people will run haste/crit
Also think of the “priority” as a nice to have not a strict “this is 100% best”
ashen coral
Also think of the “priority” as a nice to have not a strict “this is 100% best”
I see, thanks
It seems that haste crit has a similar dps as vers crit
But maybe with the future tier set haste will be more important because we would want to reset last stand quicker
chilly brook
I mean haste is already more important
Just because it’s not the best dps stat doesn’t mean that it’s worthless
median tulip
Just wear your highest ilvl and quit worrying about stats; none of it matters at all compared to playing the class properly
ashen coral
You’re right but I asked for this ^
tropic tangle
that's such an outside use case I'm not even sure why you'd worry about it. also, running at 0 haste doesn't mean afflicted would do nothing, it would still affect you
ashen coral
that's such an outside use case I'm not even sure why you'd worry about it. also...
Wait haste can be negative ?
thin silo
Yup
tropic tangle
if you auto attack is 1 atk / second, and you get hit with a 100% haste debuff, it's not 1 atk / 2 seconds
should work the same on abilities, so if you tclap cooldown is 4 seconds, it's now 8 seconds with the debuff
etc
ashen coral
Oooh, so it doesn’t matter that I focus on other stat it will not cancel the debuff
Well too bad for me then
But as we talked about stat, is haste/crit better than haste/vers ?
sick sentinel
if you are below like say ilvl 405, just equip whatever is highest ilvl and seek out high ilvl pieces with haste
if its not the same ilvl as equipped nothing else really matters, thats the baseline for worrying about stats
ashen coral
if its not the same ilvl as equipped nothing else really matters, thats the base...
Even if the lower item has leech ?
sick sentinel
yes, especially in that case, because you get armor, str and stam
tropic tangle
shouldn't really be concerning yourself with leech unless you've capped ilvl otherwise
sick sentinel
leech and others terts are literal sprinkles on icecream
tropic tangle
you already get 10% free from talents
ashen coral
But I saw on sim that leech was 45% of my heal...
ashen coral
you already get 10% free from talents
Yes you’re right
sick sentinel
it probably over healed yo alot of those heals too
i don't have your logs, but lots of heals on tanks by tanks turn into over healing which is useless
ashen coral
I currently at 18% because I didn’t want to replace some leech item, with the future nerf for leech stat there will be no debate but I thought 8% leech was a really good stat
sick sentinel
i swear
sick sentinel
this dude is like the dude he only wants the car with the cool flame paint job on it
ashen coral
Ok ok I will replace these items then, thank you
sick sentinel
even though its been there for 4 years and its rustin out
ashen coral
even though its been there for 4 years and its rustin out
It’s not really far lol, I have a 385 leech hand x)
sick sentinel
trust us, itemlevel 95% of the time is the ONLY thing that matters
more variance on that on trinkets, but ...hey
if you do lots of content and get really lucky you might get some new high ilvl weapon with stats you want and leech.... !
ashen coral
Ok ok when I get the ressources I’ll replace my gear then x) thank you
sick sentinel
angry chargey boy with shield and stick is alot of fun
scarlet mesa
do hunters just pulla hella aggro
scarlet mesa
its a pug thing
strong forum
Well sure, but any hunter should be default give you MD lmao
A hunter pulling threat is literally his fault
scarlet mesa
prisma crane
nvm that they can just feign to drop it all anyways
dusky canopy
for me its usually other warriors, rets, and DHs
scarlet mesa
well, I am still leveling so im gonna put it up to that too
dusky canopy
oh yeah no doubt leveling is wildly different than end game dont worry much about it
strong forum
Wait haste can be negative ?
when youre at 0% haste, youre in actuality at 100%
-100% is the true 0% because at that point you dont have any action speed anymore
ashen coral
Oh, so the values are between [0;200] ?
ashen coral
-100% is the true 0% because at that point you dont have any action speed anymor...
So you can’t attack ? How are the cd ?
strong forum
well normal CDs are doubled
you dont really look at negative haste so i cant say for certain if your action speed is 0 or just twice as long
but anyway, 0 is neutral haste, not the minimum
if youre at 0% haste and get -40% haste debuff, you will have -40% haste
if youre at 50% haste and get debuffed by -40%, youll be at -20% haste
its all a multiplicative % table for haste, if you deal in % and not flat rating
ashen coral
Ok ok, and do you know if the debuff from the affix can be removed by bitter immunity ? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=383762/bitter-immunity
ashen coral
if youre at 50% haste and get debuffed by -40%, youll be at -20% haste
So a -100% is automatically 0% haste ?
strong forum
ive not read up on afflicted and what school it is
strong forum
So a -100% is automatically 0% haste ?
-100% haste is -100% it removes all possible haste no matter how much you have on your gear
ashen coral
Ok ok thank y9u
strong forum
only for haste*
everything else cant go into negative
or can it
something is yelling at me in my brain that there was some negative vers in torghast?
strong forum
yeah negative haste feels literally twice as much as youd think the number would do
ashen coral
It’s so bad that they do affix which can’t be managed by every classes
strong forum
they dont balance the game with 5tank in mind :^)
some stuff breaks when you do it as 5tank :^)
ashen coral
they dont balance the game with 5tank in mind :^)
Lol ofc yes but it’s still a problem because it puts a condition on composition and you may not find a place if your class don’t have what you need
Like if there was a poison affix that must be cured, it could make priest less viable for example
strong forum
youll always have a healer
thats why the made it 3 conditionals but yes
but yes its kinda unfort that 3/6 tanks cant help with afflicted
ashen coral
thats why the made it 3 conditionals but yes
Still not enough for 5 prot war 👀
ashen coral
😦
ashen coral
Yes I can LoS (I checked it) but it’s not always possible
jagged pier
pallid quiver
And a brez
hardy snow
bleed remove 
jagged pier
Thats too OP
hexed bolt
would u say -6 ilv on legs but u get BIS stats on them?
zenith sky
Remember the 20% group DR when we press wall, that was quite a nice option during beta.
zenith sky
Nice it is:)
hardy snow
would u say -6 ilv on legs but u get BIS stats on them?
-6 ilv means -strength so you lose bis stat, not get it
strong forum
losing 6ilvl on one of your biggest budgeted items to get slightly different stats on another item is the opposite of worth
strong forum
theyre called secondary stats for a reason
strong forum
its high haste / low versa 415 legs vs 421 high mastery / low haste stat
catalyse them to haste vers again?
hexed bolt
cant they are my fury legs = fury main
hardy snow
its high haste / low versa 415 legs vs 421 high mastery / low haste stat
its still bis stat (strength) lose
strong forum
ilvl is worth far more than secondary stats
hexed bolt
just prepping my prot gear for next season cauze im probably tanking for my guild first few weeks
for m+
hexed bolt
ilvl is worth far more than secondary stats
ok
crude notch
Nom liked my tweet, I'm now valid.
strong forum
cuz its true
coral umbra
Are we thinking about using the ring for 10.1?
daring marlin
Gonna be weird when/if they take another swing at prot pallies.
MFs gonna screech hard
ionic roost
theyre called secondary stats for a reason
Yea cause anythign else to them is Secondary 
but technically theyre called Enhancements now
strong forum
warm plinth
but technically theyre called Enhancements now
I'm like...90% sure that it never said secondaries/secondary stats in the character window. You used to just have drop-downs for specific areas of stats (melee/spell/base). Secondary/tertiary stats are what Blizzard calls non-primary stats.
crude notch
You're a primary stat
warm plinth
toxic pewter
Gonna be weird when/if they take another swing at prot pallies.
Hope they nerf them more.
keen badger
Anyone know how to show the combat time on details bar?
shadow berry
At what key level is it no longer socially acceptable to spend 90% of the time in battle stance
strong forum
idk 25?
depends entirely on group skill and affixes
is not really a black and white question
empty sparrow
do we have information on 10.1 embelishments and which are looking to be bis?
strong forum
Shadowflame and frostfirebelt are the good stuff
Simc is updated, just not live raidbots
crude notch
destroyed
warm plinth
Hi Jordan cutie
mooman TC role when
Well that's what TCs do. They study everything even if it's going to change in a day
I'll run you everywhere
gottem
warm plinth
how can that possibly be true though? Is it taking into consideration the fact that we'd lose the 5% primary?
cerulean tusk
Sim'd Era ring and Annulet as well? I take it there is quite the chance they stay too
All in due time, just do @ when the time comes o7
STR on leather when blizz
warm plinth
Wait what, when did it change to not be main stat?
Apparently it's always been stam for tank specs?
And only main stat for non-tanks
In the new raid? No, I don't think so
Weapons and the cloak I think
The cloak is so asinine
I just feel like it should only be able to steal from other people using it
daring marlin
thing looks sick
torn gulch
is the forgestorm proc better than the main stats a normal one hand has?
hardy snow
is the forgestorm proc better than the main stats a normal one hand has?
yes, especially on ST
torn gulch
damn i guess i need to pray for a 447 forgestorm in vault
until then i'll run with a 447 crafted weapon
i wonder how would a 441 forgestorm look vs a 447 crafted weapon
probably 447 is better
shield is first
for me at least
i guess it's time to replace lariat as well
you can triple socket any neck right?
i'll have to sim a 441 forgestorm vs 447 crafted weapon just to be sure
i've never seen a strike twice even in the dungeon
all season
nevemind in vault
torn gulch
yea you'll manifest 3 cloaks
like usual
kekeke
So i have to go to eranog next season as well
hahaha
I expect onyx annulet to be nerfed in like 10.1.5
and i hope it is tbh
i'm not bothering with eranog ring i'll just play a 447 ring and the annulet
warm plinth
which is kinda stupid considering they straight up said they'd nerf it if it was too good going into 10.1
and then changed their minds
crude notch
which is kinda stupid considering they straight up said they'd nerf it if it was...
That's that tricky grey area where 10.1.5 still falls under 10.1. 🙂
warm plinth
That's that tricky grey area where 10.1.5 still falls under 10.1. 🙂
I'd like to fall under you
gottem
uneven mason
I do the TWing just to helpout a buddy...of course I get the totem the week before it becomes redundant
fallow osprey
Is it redundant because you’re getting another next week 😂
uneven mason
I mean, knowing my luck with trinkets I'll be using that until the week before 10.2
so yay
fresh igloo
i think more like obsolete instead of redundant
stone pike
Late to the conversation but you could practically guarantee if a class ditching their armor bonus for a crafted piece was the optimal setup they'd nerf that piece or modify how it works to break it anyway. It'd be a waste of a crafting token.
Blizzard have patched out lesser oddball strategies than that
mighty valley
Was someone talking shit about the cloak in here
The cloak is cool
Wow should do more weird gear
warm plinth
I was, yes
mighty valley
No... First Bad Ghash Take In History...........
warm plinth
Eranog ring and icon are very rare too and I see those drop all the time
I don't think it's too much to ask to make it only steal from others wearing the cloak
mighty valley
The effect on your personal dps if a cloak steals from you is negligible
warm plinth
I mean it's like 1% stat
I don't care that much. I just think it shouldn't be something people have no control over.
mighty valley
And it makes your friend way stronger 🙂
stone pike
And it makes your friend way stronger 🙂
If Broodkeeper's egg mechanic has taught me anything it's people care more about their parse than their group success. I am not surprised at all there's bitching about the cloak even if it's a net gain.
Still I think they'd just cite "unintended gameplay" and patch it in some way.
mighty valley
If Broodkeeper's egg mechanic has taught me anything it's people care more about...
I'm not surprised either but I really don't want blizzard's design constrained by parse-based player complaining
stone pike
I'm not surprised either but I really don't want blizzard's design constrained b...
Me either. If they got their way everything would be an equip effect, on use stat boost or plain stat stick. Maximum optimization with 0 variation.
dry spear
hey. i got a question. i play with a monk tank together. when i see the healer break down, he is getting way more heal from any healer in our raid then i am. yesterday we rekilled rasz on mythic and in the last phase she gave me some good chops and i died and i was not getting "focus" heal at all. now i can say that the raid was getting good dmg too so maybe i wasnt on the prio list, but how do you deal with that stuff. i can only do that much self heal and my cds weren't up because of the tank blast i was taking seconds ago. do you guys plan your healer setup around a prot warrior, so that maybe one of them got an eye on you all the fight? maybe i can spam IP more but this still doesnt heal me back enought. IV was already on cd. in 10.1, is FbV a good option if your healers are stuggeling or was it just a bad situation? or should a pala with beacon be enought? (he forgot to put it back on my in P3) i am thinking that a holy pal with a beacon is mandatory with a prot tank.
loud musk
Do you have a log? For question like yours it would help alot to find out why exectaly you died. But short answer, I personally have not planned healer setup around the tank. Only time I've asked for 2 healers was when I Tanked Diurna in P1 as Prot warrior where I've asked for 2 Healers with externals and even that was just so it would be chill
scarlet mesa
is ravager one of those abilities you have to aim on the ground
i will be sad if it is
loud musk
you have to place it yes, but if you don't want to bother with it use a
[@cursor] or [@player]
scarlet mesa
yeah i was just going to macro it
its much easier to do that on melee specs
i wish there was a [@target] modifier
always been my least favorite thing
dry spear
Do you have a log? For question like yours it would help alot to find out why ex...
yeah on fight where i can predict the dmg income i also ask healers for CDs. like painsub or sac. i was looking up some "healing" logs from prot and at the first glimps i can see that i dont press IP enought. sense got like 131 IP cast on rasz while i got only 110. maybe that is one of the problems. i dont want to blame any other players and want to find the error on my side, and i guess maybe that is one.
gloomy seal
loud musk
yeah their crit, the ammount of crit they have gets added you every heal say they have 33% crit a 100k heal woudl heal them for 133k as far as I know
pallid quiver
shield slam puts in WORK
Don't worry, that's like a normal dungeon breakdown, too
loud musk
yeah on fight where i can predict the dmg income i also ask healers for CDs. lik...
Like I said, it's hard to help you here with no logs. But generally you shouldn't die from raid wide stuff as a tank especially this late into the patch, your gear + the "off healing" from healers (a ripetide of a shame + rejuv from a druid) shoudl be plenty to keep you alive
dry spear
Like I said, it's hard to help you here with no logs. But generally you shouldn'...
this is the deathlog: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yjFrGDCxBWpvLqRm#fight=16&type=deaths&death=6
maybe i should have switched to def stance earlier.
scarlet mesa
you know something I really appreciate in this game
threat
in eso you had to taunt each thing you wanted on you individually with no aoe taunt
and it lasted 15 seconds
i dont need to track each individual taunt anymore
;-;
i can just do damage
sour meadow
Thunder Clap your way to victory
loud musk
this is the deathlog: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yjFrGDCxBWpvLqRm#figh...
I'm only able to look at it on my phone but by what I can see is that you got trucked in the overlap where you taunt the boss of your co-tank while you still have the tank hit debuff. That explais why you got trucked like that you only had dev stance but yeah you prob should've switched to it befor you taunted. Healing done was a bit low I don't understand wy you holy pala has his beacon on the mage the whole fight but that's something else
scarlet mesa
thunder clap these cheeks
warm plinth
Yes it does
scarlet mesa
wow this talent sucks too
why would I want anything to cost more rage
🥴
no wonder you tell people to not use it
crude notch
Comment deez
warm plinth
🤔
scarlet mesa
so how scared am I going to be of actually doing real content
shell mortar
Depends how good you are
scarlet mesa
its my first wow tank
shell mortar
And what you consider real content
scarlet mesa
i still dont know what defensive means when dbm tells me, I click stuff like shield wall or final stand
pallid quiver
so how scared am I going to be of actually doing real content
The biggest thing to be scared of is other players.
scarlet mesa
shell mortar
Gonna be tough to get used to the very high APM of prot warr initially
scarlet mesa
thats not a problem
limpid anchor
i still dont know what defensive means when dbm tells me, I click stuff like shi...
Don’t click
scarlet mesa
i play unholy
shell mortar
Unholy has comparably low APM to pwarr
scarlet mesa
that shit has five billion haste
pallid quiver
Usually it means exactly use shield wall, but it's important to know what damage is actually coming in
shell mortar
Umm, but besides high APM, prot just has high "passive" mitigation
So just perss buttons good
And for most content you're good to go
pallid quiver
You want to have a general idea for what you're using your actually defensives on, but other than that, just press button, don't die, hold W, and watch DPS get pissed at you for no reason/reasonable reasons/no reason again
shell mortar
Once you learn the peaks and valleys of your rage generation, it's smooth sailing
scarlet mesa
responding to luerce
shell mortar
Or the defensives, yeah
pallid quiver
It can be useful, but it shouldn't be super useful, since Prot War doesn't take much damage in the first place
sharp forge
press IP more
sharp forge
all good but spamming IP is what makes warriors so good rn I mean not needing to heal cause you basically never take enough damage to lose hp is why Prot warrior is still right behind prot pally. . shit be nice
Honestly still like Prot warrior over pala. . pala seems most boring tank ever tbh even after trying all the tanks i still think bear and dh is more fun than it lol
scarlet mesa
i had been putting my shield block up before ip
pallid quiver
As you should
IP just slows the damage intake a bit; it's not a major survival tool in and of itself
It's mostly what it facilitates
scarlet mesa
it wont stop huge spike damage
idk what this tank will be doing, probably m+
it sounded like raid tanking wasn't very exciting
sharp forge
it wont stop huge spike damage
Sorry yeah shieldd block is your bread and butter to smooth out dps intake for ya but imo tanking on any tank class for raid isnt fun but warrior brings a fun element others can't with stance swapping plus their st dps is very nice, better than prot pala and blood dk rn for sure
pallid quiver
it sounded like raid tanking wasn't very exciting
Most of raid tanking is solving your one mechanic in like two pulls, then waiting three hundred more pulls or something for all the DPS/Heals to get their shit together
Tanks specifically have the least mechanics they have to worry about
sharp forge
Most of raid tanking is solving your one mechanic in like two pulls, then waitin...
damn the 300 pulls about dps/heals hit home alittle too hard made me sad at how true that is 😢
merry umbra
M+ ProtWar Gearing options at launch Haste > Versa = Crit
Brackenhide - Head, Wrists, Waist, Trinket
Uldaman - Head, Shoulders, Neck, Wrists, Shield
Halls of Infusion - Shoulders, Ring
Neltharion's Lair - Chest, Hands, Legs, Feet, Shield
Underrot - Chest, Back, Legs, Feet, Shield
Vortex - Back, Neck
Neltharus - 1h Mace, Hands, Shield
Freehold - Hands, Waist
Ring#2 - Crafted
Trinket#2 - W/e with main stats
PRIO
#1 ULDAMAN (5 items -2 tier set piece)
#2 BRACKENHIDE (4 items, bis defensive trinket - 1 tier set piece)
#3 NELTHARION'S LAIR (5 items - 3 tier set pieces)
#4 UNDERROT (5 items - 2 tier set pieces)
#5 NELTHARUS (3 items, bis 1h wep - 1 tier set piece)
#6 VORTEX (2 items, both bis - crit/haste back)
#7 HALLS (2 items, bis ring, 1 tier set piece)
#8 Freehold (2 items, 1 tier set piece)
Did some look-up on the gear, if you are still gonna rock the brick colour class at launch of S2
and get no raid loot, since you are a tank
you can draw from this at what you should be aiming
Enjoy!
scarlet mesa
Most of raid tanking is solving your one mechanic in like two pulls, then waitin...
yeah this was gonna be my major thing
I only raid heroic, so being asleep half the fight didnt sound great
we're stocked on tanks anyway
potent gulch
M+ ProtWar Gearing options at launch Haste > Versa = Crit
Brackenhide - Head, W...
vers ;-x pooo same as defensive trinkets.
merry umbra
Yeah if you are doing 10s and normal raid it probably isn't worth picking it up 😄
Brackenhide trinket adds like 400k+ plus shield on you and if you are in a <500 wr guild healers dont give a shit about you in general
potent gulch
Yeah if you are doing 10s and normal raid it probably isn't worth picking it up ...
what?
with so many externals in game and with pwar kit using a defensive trinket is meh
merry umbra
Okay bud, cheers 🙂
crude notch
I'm shocked anyone took you serious with that name
merry umbra
Should I rename myself to Syria or Iraq to be taken seriously ? 😄
uneven mason
On use absorb might see use for some raid mechanics but not general use
turbid granite
Wich embelish for pwar in season 2 ?
merry umbra
Didn't really see any outstanding offensive trinkets tbh, perhaps I have overlooked something, any thoughts?
merry umbra
Wich embelish for pwar in season 2 ?
judging by sims some helpful lads made, probably frostfire belt and the shadowflame patch with the shadowflame wreathe wep ench
sour meadow
for what content though
loud musk
Sorry yeah shieldd block is your bread and butter to smooth out dps intake for y...
I mean in theory yeah you'd stance swap but I've only swaped out of Battle for the P3 Tank Breath so that my Raid take's less dmg and for early progression on kurog with the adds swaping in earth
ionic roost
Tanks specifically have the least mechanics they have to worry about
Not always true
Painsmith specifically had more tank mechanics than dps mechanocs
uneven mason
Tank mechanics vary from raid group to raid group
ionic roost
Also, the era of Legion and BFA where tank mechanics and other boss mechanics could queue and some fights could grossly vary
uneven mason
Also, the era of Legion and BFA where tank mechanics and other boss mechanics co...
Looking at you mythic Aggramar
uneven mason
True not like uhhh was it starauger
ionic roost
uneven mason
Where the time for the*we're fucked" mechanic could delay due to another cast
uneven mason
Jaina on mythic
ionic roost
Especially for planned deaths
uneven mason
"bait go...go..g..fuck
Jaina was fun imo
Just because when you hit lust she was like 🖕🧊
loud musk
Jaina Mythic was my first CE and I still remamber our RL calling every Ice Fall with "Ice Fall going through the Middle" still cracks me up
or after the intermission "we meet at the edge" in a round arena
uneven mason
"stay together, stay to.. everyone go back and brea.. every one..fuck
cerulean tusk
"stop.. barrels... No... Stop."
uneven mason
Post nerf jaina was fun <a:noahwhite:800552532631617546>
This i guess
loud musk
only did that version 
toxic pewter
wat there to do from may 2nd to may 9
uneven mason
It was a true end tier fight
loud musk
wat there to do from may 2nd to may 9
uneven mason
Because it took 8 minutes to actually get to the part where you had to work on progression
loud musk
wat there to do from may 2nd to may 9
farm rares for flightstones
uneven mason
So it took legit forever
loud musk
Do you like fights better like rasza where the hard part is at the start or fights where the hard part is at the end?
strong forum
Because it took 8 minutes to actually get to the part where you had to work on p...
Boss however also died instantly if you got to p3
strong forum
Yeah that was just bleh
toxic pewter
wat first spark item u guys crafting
cerulean tusk
Noone want another sylvanas
strong forum
Im not gonna craft anything until 1 or 2 weeks later
Or actually
No ill upgrade frostfire belt
That's hardlocked
toxic pewter
so crafted items can be upgraded with the crests i take it or am i just wrong
modern brook
447 shield seems like the best week 1 investment
strong forum
Either you hold onto craft for 1-2 weeks
Or you upgrade frostfire
Those are your smartest options with the least waste
grizzled kite
FFB still strong?
strong forum
Bis
cerulean tusk
Probably should just hold. Blizz likes to balance w2
toxic pewter
why is belt still bis we arent using eranog ring still r we
strong forum
Cuz they buffed belt by 110%
grizzled kite
w0w
toxic pewter
any idea 2nd embellishment i hear neck sucks now or somethin
strong forum
Shadowflame
modern brook
new one
rough solar
Shadowflame
toxic pewter
what slot can it go on
grizzled kite
Lariat garbage on day 1? Gets better later on?
strong forum
Lariat garbage, but still loses to shadowflame even with full sockets
modern brook
- damage embleishments generally heavily buffed
strong forum
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204710/shadowflame-tempered-armor-patch this on...
Si
uneven mason
Is shadowflame slot dependant?
strong forum
nah
modern brook
Is shadowflame slot dependant?
has to be armor
uneven mason
So not shield
toxic pewter
does upgrading items have some sort of effect on what the vault gives you in 10.1 or am i missing something.. this guide keeps saying to like hold off on upgrading items in certain cases
cerulean tusk
Not everyone will do 20s w1 tho 
uneven mason
Well if you craft a shield, and then get a 447 shield in vault
I don't think I'll be getting any 447 gear soon
I've already crafted a shield though was like - what I did wk1
Capped out my skill tree for shield and whipped that baby together
strong forum
i crafted shield w1 aswell cuz i jumped into vault keys directly and didnt wanna suffer
but rn is a diff story
cerulean tusk
W1 S1 and S2 will be far from the same
toxic pewter
these crests used to upgrade apparently work on profession gear too i think?
like those are what we will use to upgrade belt
toxic pewter
sweet
uneven mason
Yeah you'll need a enchanter to make the component
Can't wait to see how gougy that is for the for few weeks
toxic pewter
wat component
modern brook
i crafted shield w1 aswell cuz i jumped into vault keys directly and didnt wanna...
I mean problem solved just dont open vault in prot spec
what else are you targetting
wrong reply but whatever
I guess you go fury and are sad at a 2h
toxic pewter
You need to have an enchanter enchat the crest
why the fuck they tying it to arbitray enchanter
strong forum
I mean problem solved just dont open vault in prot spec
mh true
uneven mason
Because trade skills
strong forum
you really dont want to loot as tank unless you want shield and splinter
there are alot of dogshit tank trinkets next patch from dungeons
uneven mason
I finally got alltotem last night
strong forum
like 5 of them
uneven mason
After trying all season
modern brook
I def get the difference though - current end game ilvl shield != the same as questing greens lol
modern brook
strong forum
forgot that part
uneven mason
I think I did for blood-splattered
pallid quiver
I have to make conscious efforts to swap to Prot lootspec
it is not always a successful endeavor
loud musk
Any1 hyped to form the shit out of Neltharus?
zenith sky
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSMrFpkgeIz6Q1fefG71xH0xNgGu0uXEnNNr...
You also get some containers that contain flightstones. Afaik they do not count towards the 2000 maximum, so just put them in the bank until you need a lot in one go.
toxic pewter
so i take it that 1h weapon from there is bis
loud musk
As far as I know it's pretty good. But I'm no theorycrafter it's rng so it can be insane or not that much
misty moss
That's hardlocked
Bold statement, I like it. Was wondering upgrade prio
uneven mason
Huh
loud wave
So we want to farm +17 Neltharus to get Forgestorm upgradeable to 441
uneven mason
A weapon with no str, seems sussy
weary saddle
so much said abt Pwar having no dispel in S2 dungeons. is it really such a big deal
uneven mason
No
I mean it reinforces paladins as the meta
But that wasn't going to change unless they nerf them so hard that they can't survive damage outside of CD
But not having a way to cure afflicted - sorry healers and DPS get to do something occasionally
Can't always expect the tank to do literally everything for everyone
toxic pewter
do s2 dungeons have a lot of dispelable effects or wat
might see blood elves being more popular if so
strong forum
So we want to farm +17 Neltharus to get Forgestorm upgradeable to 441
Only for m+, in St it gets outclassed by a Str weapon
sour meadow
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204710/shadowflame-tempered-armor-patch this on...
how awesome that would be if we could equip it on a ring
tropic gorge
Seems like the dwarf racial is gonna shine hard again in s2
modern brook
might see blood elves being more popular if so
Even if there were , there's 4 other people that can run belf racial to free you up to remove bleeds
Dwarf will continue to be bis for as long as bleeds are a threat to tanks and/or it remains the only consistent way to remove them without healer intervention
tropic gorge
The cleanse from stoneform
tropic gorge
Well, dwarves are the best. What more reason do you need
Epic beards: check
Best jokes: check
Looks the best in plate: check
Dwarf 1. All others, 0
tropic gorge
Let's also not forget that if you have voices enabled, dwarves laugh during combat
Charge and shield charge both have a laugh voice emote
tropic gorge
The dwarf male voice is also sounding top tier for mele roles
stuck terrace
any idea to what items we should craft in s2 yet?
strong forum
Dwarf 1. All others, 0
This guy gets it
Imagine only having 1 race in an entire game with proper beards
tropic gorge
Luckily it's a dwarf so all is in balance
timber terrace
I'd rather bleed than play as a lidl LOTR dwarf or a depressed mother of 3
tropic gorge
Lmao
deft drum
can i not macro ravager and thunderous fury together? If i can, why doesnt this work?
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
/cast Thunderous Roar
tropic gorge
Your loss! Dwarf is top tier. Always has been. Always will be
Before Stat normalization happened dwarves had the 2nd highest str behind cows
strong forum
can i not macro ravager and thunderous fury together? If i can, why doesnt this ...
You'd need a more elaborate macro for that on 1 line with some conditions
The 2 lines don't work
timber terrace
Until they finally decide to balance their game
deft drum
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [known:Ravager][@cursor] Ravager
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar
this was suggested but doesnt work either
tropic gorge
That will never happen. It's the blizzard way to have a fotm class or spec
deft drum
ohhhhhh
strong forum
I really hope they remove facials that affect combat
modern brook
Do you have both known?
strong forum
In any way
tropic gorge
They will probably always have something be leagues ahead of the rest. For some reason a legit balanced game is impossible for blizz
timber terrace
Dwarf is broken for a very long time, in wod midwinter swapped their whole roster to dwarf to remove the bleed
strong forum
So people can stop asking if they have to racechange
timber terrace
On mythic blackhand
strong forum
It doesn't affect 99% of players what race they are
People put way too much emphasis on that shit
Outside of pvp*
In pvp racials are mad broken
timber terrace
It affects everyone doing keys being able to remove a debuff or not
plush tendon
the most important thing abou race, is making sure your toon looks good to you
strong forum
Not to a relevant degree mokoo
plush tendon
you gotta stare at it, dont choose something you dont like
strong forum
If you're not pushing title levels keys(and even then) its not a make or break casr
deft drum
i tried both macros one line, dont know what im missing
modern brook
i tried both macros one line, dont know what im missing
are both spells known
kind geyser
are they both on the gcd
deft drum
yes
kind geyser
because then you can't cast them both at the same time
timber terrace
That's a strawman, same as telling people it doesn't matter what they play because they're not doing top content, if you die from a bleed you could have dispelled as a dwarf it affected you
modern brook
That's a strawman, same as telling people it doesn't matter what they play becau...
if you're doing a 13 and die from bleed
you fucked up
dwarf woulda been a safetynet
not a requirement
timber terrace
Doesn't change the fact if affected you and your group
strong forum
That's a strawman, same as telling people it doesn't matter what they play becau...
But it doesn't matter
modern brook
Wierd take
timber terrace
And no matter how bad or good you're at the game you're getting that free dispell or not and it's gonna make a difference at some point
modern brook
thats such a assbackwards way of thinking about it
undone verge
Playing better also makes a difference at some point
modern brook
You're literally starting at "dwarf is bis" and ending with "so it'll always be useful regardless of content"
when like
Belf is godly when/if your group is dogshit and not doing mechanics
you cant draw that line backwards
strong forum
Nelf is arguably stronger cuz you can cancel even more mechanics!!
modern brook
because theres a bunch of variables that are not being done
strong forum
Woah
tardy isle
play orc because the bloodfury can be the diffrence between timing a key or not
strong forum
Just shadowmeld the tank buster
tardy isle
it will happen atleast 1 of your 4000 runs
toxic pewter
I like Troll, berserking lines up well with my cooldowns, in combat hp regen, and lower root times
timber terrace
I'm just saying your logic is flawed because it really doesn't matter what level you're playing at, dwarf has an edge, and it's the same backwards logic of thinking balance doesn't change anything unless you're doing top content
stuck terrace
its an edge but so small tho
modern brook
I'm just saying your logic is flawed because it really doesn't matter what level...
yeah and im saying your logic is flawed because the edge provided by dwarf IS dependant on the level of play
timber terrace
stuck terrace
Small, like the dwarfs
undone verge
Because balance doesn’t change anything unless you’re doing high level content.
toxic pewter
Vulpera still my fav prot warr race
undone verge
If ur playing your spec wrong doesn’t matter if the sims have you as the top dps
modern brook
If ur playing your spec wrong doesn’t matter if the sims have you as the top dps
its not even just you though, thats the thing
like theres 4 other people in the group
theres so many variables in a key
compact forum
Tauren is best race. You cant lose with big shoulders
stuck terrace
I'm playing void elf because i like the shiny hair
timber terrace
You can afford being worse at the game if you play dwarf because removing debuffs puts less strains on your cd usage, racials should be cosmetics and minor secondaries not an additional defensive
crude notch
Wait
undone verge
If someone’s so bad they need to play dwarf to get the competitive edge they’re not doing content where they need the competitive edge
strong forum
i agree that racials should only be cosmetic
stuck terrace
toxic pewter
yeah i am honestly just really tired of racial and race discussions tbh, been going on for 20 years at this point
stuck terrace
Even tho im not salty for my 1% overal damage of entropic embrace
undone verge
Velf superiority with blink
crude notch
You had Blackhand and Midwinter as your arguing point? When method as horde got world first
Hmm
tropic gorge
I play dwarf because dwarf is the superior race.
Don't @ me
stuck terrace
Velf superiority with blink
ive never utilized that blink tbh. its not like shadowmeld either 😦
undone verge
I used it on rasz
dusky canopy
i agree that racials should only be cosmetic
Either this or let us choose the two or three that we want independent from race
undone verge
Can use it for movement in p1, dodge breath in intermission, blink to the center with negative, or through a positive in front of me, or blink through the push back wave
stuck terrace
Either this or let us choose the two or three that we want independent from race
this would be cool
timber terrace
You had Blackhand and Midwinter as your arguing point? When method as horde got ...
They're not even in the same tier of guilds and they still killed the boss before other guilds because of that cheese
crude notch
My guy
stuck terrace
I used it on rasz
good one!
toxic pewter
Honestly Vulpera racial utility is so good, can heal allies, strong defensiveness, 40 yd pull, make camp. its hard to beat
crude notch
They were the same tier of guilds
dusky canopy
If I could choose two I’d definitely do vulpera tent and dwarf cleanse
crude notch
Because Midwinter got WF maidens
strong forum
midwinter is one of the most notable guilds in wows history
"not same tier of guild"
crude notch
Stop swinging at the air
dusky canopy
Strong argument for dwarf cleanse + nelf vanish too if that were possible
crude notch
You just gonna keep missing
stuck terrace
id, troll lust, cleanse and vanish?
tropic gorge
Stoneform + shadowmeld would be top tier Combo
dusky canopy
It would
timber terrace
Nobody cares who gets world first on anything but the last boss, it's like saying bdgg and method are competing against echo right now
They're just not
toxic pewter
I do think Troll feels underrated to me, surprised Troll isnt considered better by most people
crude notch
You said they wouldn't have finished where they did without the cheese
dusky canopy
The whole race to world first thing kinda died for me when blizzard basically handed to one team with tuning.
crude notch
They obviously were doing more than fine
strong forum
breh
dusky canopy
It’s not even remotely a fair competition it’s highly depend on rng too
crude notch
Because they were first on Maidens
strong forum
The whole race to world first thing kinda died for me when blizzard basically ha...
liquid was aware of the tuning but decided against waking up earlier because of the nerfs
dusky canopy
It’d be better if it was somehow regulated by blizzard
plush tendon
I do think Troll feels underrated to me, surprised Troll isnt considered better ...
the lack of shoes kills them for me
and bad posture
undone verge
liquid was aware of the tuning but decided against waking up earlier because of ...
They woke up an hour early
strong forum
and even after the nerfs happened, echo 1shot the boss with the nerfs, liquid still took 5 extra hours after they started
strong forum
They woke up an hour early
which wasnt early enough
was like 1hr late compared to when the nerf happened
those are the facts, if you think thats unfair then idk
dusky canopy
I mean I’m not really that invested to debate it, it’s just the way it appeared to me and that’s the opinion I’ve formed
stuck terrace
I do think Troll feels underrated to me, surprised Troll isnt considered better ...
I just dont think its that big of a thing anymore. All racials could definitely use some love from blizz
tropic gorge
Blizz would nerf alliance racials again and call it good
They nerfed stoneform for the sl mythic world first race iirc
plush tendon
they seem relatively balance now
tropic gorge
I agree. They are close enough
undone verge
Damage is already done tho since most pushing guilds went horde when the racials where better
plush tendon
though Dwarf 2% crit dam and stoneform does make em giga chads imo, buts it not like its Wrath Classis Unholy DK with Troll
strong forum
troll was insane on jaina for RWF cuz it make intermission 20% easier, blizz fixed it after RWF ended
undone verge
X faction guilds are gonna be so much better
dusky canopy
Racials seem good really because you don’t have to have one
tropic gorge
Racials seem good really because you don’t have to have one
Vulpera are already used to not having one. Lmaooo
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
? Vulpera racials some of the best in the game
timber terrace
Vulperas can make a camp in front of the raid, best raid log race
toxic pewter
Make camp is objectively useful and I miss it a lot
crude notch
Camp is also best leveling racial
plush tendon
yea, but Vulpera also suffers from lack of shoes
strong forum
it can heal a party member for 20% hp
plush tendon
so instantly F tier
toxic pewter
best part about camp is you can get out of warmode easily if needed
dusky canopy
Reduced first hit is pretty neat
strong forum
and you get free several million absorb per key
plush tendon
Damage is already done tho since most pushing guilds went horde when the racials...
it wont mater in like T-Minus 24 Hours
plush tendon
slowly going to convert the whole guild to dwarves
undone verge
it wont mater in like T-Minus 24 Hours
T minus 2 months when they finally fix all the bugs
tropic gorge
Dwarf till the end.
plush tendon
gonna have a bunch of giga chads running around
tropic gorge
I'll never swap. Even if stoneform was nerfed into the ground
strong forum
this was on slyv, for reference, the mage had 54k max hp
dusky canopy
I was vulpera until I died doing the big bird pull in DoS because I got dismounted and had to SWIM because vulp is so freaking small LUL
strong forum
and apparently if people are stacked on top of each other, it does an aoe heal
stuck terrace
at the end of the day all that matters is that i can erp with my velf.
strong forum
which i didnt know until like yesterday
plush tendon
my issue with Vulpera.... It would be funny for like a week
plush tendon
but then I would look at this little fox thing and be like 'this cant be my toon!'
toxic pewter
aoe heal from bag of tricks
crude notch
I was vulpera until I died doing the big bird pull in DoS because I got dismount...
Oh God, I remember getting stuck under a lily pad in there
strong forum
my issue with Vulpera.... It would be funny for like a week
that was my initial reason when i swapped to it in BFA, for memes, but stuck for good animations
and good tmog
stuck terrace
before all this race war, are we still crafting primal molten longswords in S2 or can we upgrade our current crafted longsword? I'm a bit confused
strong forum
can upgrade current
stuck terrace
ty
urban portal
the cost is likely going to be the same regardless FYI
dusky canopy
before all this race war, are we still crafting primal molten longswords in S2 o...
I think you miss spelled primal molten mace
crude notch
Is forgestorm not pog enough to make up for the stat loss?
stuck terrace
Is forgestorm not pog enough to make up for the stat loss?
idk no str makes it seem weak
crude notch
That literally didn't answer the question at all it just repeated the question in sentence format.
toxic pewter
all weapon types are good imo
dusky canopy
That literally didn't answer the question at all it just repeated the question i...
It’s good without the stats yes
urban bane
IIRC the early sims showed it like ~200 dps above crafted 1h?
So it isnt like giga or anything
crude notch
Thank you museless, always my favorite male pattern baldness orc
urban bane
if i can find the post ill link
sick sentinel
crude notch
Gigachad
plush tendon
I wonder what his racials are
sick sentinel
when you build str and int on fallout but no charisma or dex....
torn gulch
What I am curious about is how does a 447 crafted weapon looks compared to a 441 forgestorm
Because a 447 forgestorm is stronger than a 447 normal weapon aparently
sick sentinel
debating if i want to get on wow for a weekly key and 3k rep quest
tropic tangle
same pool until the 9th
sick sentinel
RLP is a well executed theatre of pain
i don't really hate it, just thats a dungeon that hurts
final boss RLP hurts so much
grizzled kite
What covenant did prot go for in SL?
sick sentinel
first half was kyrian pepegalos
toxic pewter
Necrolord for season 3 and 4
sick sentinel
and second half was necrolords pepega mode chose your own adeventure guy
toxic pewter
Just glad I was able to play banner warr. I was critical at the times but looking back was so much damn fun
sick sentinel
i wouldnt mind at all if they made warrior more like barbarian from d2
modern brook
What I am curious about is how does a 447 crafted weapon looks compared to a 441...
447 forgestorm > 447 crafted > 441 forgestorm
torn gulch
447 forgestorm > 447 crafted > 441 forgestorm
Thank you for the answer I'll craft 447 and then hope vault is kind to me later
modern brook
i think the game plan for tomorrow/wednesday is craft shield or frostfire belt to 447
or next week idr when they said they wre giving first spark
daring marlin
yall dissin on Ancient Aftershock
Kyrian enjoyer here but first strike was giga
torn gulch
you get first spark this week
crude notch
Tomorrow is first spark yeah
torn gulch
but you won't be able to craft 447
modern brook
but you won't be able to craft 447
that wa sit
modern brook
Nom says belt will remain BIS for ever; shield can be worthwhile too but you gotta not open vault in prot
toxic pewter
Are crafted items upgraded via recrafting again right
torn gulch
yes
toxic pewter
And need enchanter to make some item to get to max ilvl 447 right
torn gulch
yes enchanted aspect shadowflame crest
daring marlin
Bull do keys with me
torn gulch
some enchanting mats+ 4 aspect crests
daring marlin
lazy
sick sentinel
all i know for sure is i have 2 sparks in my bags and i will be giga-malding if they are turned to grey vendor bait tomorrow
or i can't use them at all
toxic pewter
Oh 4 mythic crests right
crude notch
Min/Max for 441 early weeks of 10.1:
sick sentinel
like i can use them but then its completely locked to season 1
torn gulch
they can be used to make 395 gear yogi
modern brook
Bull do keys with me
i cant i have to get aotc lol
torn gulch
next patch
crude notch
like i can use them but then its completely locked to season 1
Those sparks are locked to S1 yes, but you can upgrade S1 gear to S2 gear so.
daring marlin
i cant i have to get aotc lol
S2 then
sick sentinel
like, if the items were completely locked to s1 and can not upgrade, or (the sparks) turn to grey vendor i would quit
daring marlin
We farm many keys boiiii
sick sentinel
i would quit so fast and not even think twice
torn gulch
you'll make them at 395 with s1 sparks then upgrade them to 424 with s2 sparks then to 447 with enchanted mythic crest
there you go
tropic gorge
Ugh my guild is going to miss getting aotc by like 2 weeks
We are hung up on intermission phase due to mistakes made before it by dps
sick sentinel
they thought i wouldn't see the doom reference.... that was the first thing i saw, and you'll have to be more clever with references.
dry spear
if you wanna build a defense onyx ring, would you go with absorb shield or with healing? i was thinking about a setup Gleaming, Shining and Indomitable. Standing still gives shield, getting a shield does physical dmg and taking damage gives a shield. or the raging magma stone? Absorbing dmg does fire dmg back to the attacker
crude notch
If you want to go defensive you get a ring with stats.
daring marlin
Jordan with the elbow from the top rope
strong forum
447 forgestorm > 447 crafted > 441 forgestorm
only for m+
in ST forgestorm is 200 dps worse than 447 weapon
strong forum
old sinew
they thought i wouldn't see the doom reference.... that was the first thing i sa...
“The Only Thing They Fear Is You” begins playing in head
crude notch
Welp
strong forum
we do indeed
old sinew
they thought i wouldn't see the doom reference.... that was the first thing i sa...
I would kill for the marauder axe and marauder shield in WoW tho
old sinew
a false idol
I still haven’t finished TAG2 😱
crude notch
WTH is going on rn
sick sentinel
i haven't even bought TAG either, but i recently suffered through largely cheated evilution
i heard TAG was dog shit because itw as literal baby mode
so, i didnt bother
old sinew
i heard TAG was dog shit because itw as literal baby mode
Huh? I mean it was like, TAG was relentlessly brutal and then they kneejerked and made TAG2 much easier and ppl got whiplash
strong forum
crafted 447 helm with shadowflame and socket
crafted 447 necklace crit haste + socket
450 tier shoulders
457 voices cloak
450 tier chest
450 haste crit wrists + socket
450 tier gloves
447 frost fire + socket haste/crit
450 tier pants
447 crit haste feet from raid
annulet+eranog ring
457 nelth call trinket
450 beacon
447 haste crit 1h sword
450 shield
well yeah you dont have much freedom
sick sentinel
doom eternal on nightmare is truly truly a game that will humble anyone
and or drive them to complete insane rage
sick sentinel
ultra nightmare is literally for masochistic gigachads
don't even attempt, for real
old sinew
and or drive them to complete insane rage
I play on a controller. It’s very clear the game is not made for that.
old sinew
don't even attempt, for real
I practiced enough to consistently beat the first and second levels on ultra nightmare but just didn’t have the time or skill to practice the entire game and gave up on the endeavor
sick sentinel
you can still play it on a controller, i wouldn't unless thats whats presented to me
old sinew
There probably video guides on good safe strats for each level but it’s just a at too much especially since the game gets harder as you go
sick sentinel
its like, for me, GTA style game, i can only play that type of game with controller
hardwired from ps1 days
sick sentinel
i can do it with keyboard, but i'l be bitching and moaning the whole time cuz i hate it
strong forum
its barely worth currently on MT
old sinew
which "the ring" are we talking here?
Annulet
strong forum
not in m+
sick sentinel
i still think blizzard should make a doom game and set it in starcraft universe
strong forum
youre gonna unequip both eragon and annulet in m+
sick sentinel
that game writes itself and makes itself
old sinew
Oh ok. Yeah “the ring” is def confusing then. Eranog is eranog annulet is the one ring
modern brook
i still think blizzard should make a doom game and set it in starcraft universe
The game you're looking for is spacehulk:Deathwing
strong forum
didnt sim that, no need
old sinew
youre gonna unequip both eragon and annulet in m+
I can never keep up with these sims, different discords saying different things.
strong forum
annulet hardly wins with current gear for us
sick sentinel
The game you're looking for is spacehulk:Deathwing
like, what i mean is , the game is about youre going through cool star wars like bases and machines
crude notch
How much secondaries is on 447 ring anyways?
strong forum
^2k
sick sentinel
and there is humans and aliens as bad guys, and you gotta kill them,thats the whole game
crude notch
Yeah
sick sentinel
get to exit, dont die
modern brook
and there is humans and aliens as bad guys, and you gotta kill them,thats the wh...
yeah like
modern brook
if you're ok changing "zerg" to "tyranids" and "Jim Rayner" to "Zaharial, xenosfucker" then its the exact game you're looking for
old sinew
if you're ok changing "zerg" to "tyranids" and "Jim Rayner" to "Zaharial, xenosf...
Oh I thought you were talking about the table top game kekw
sick sentinel
like i know the marines are clearly wh40k stuff, but im not so much into that
thats too far into nerd territory for me
modern brook
smh
old sinew
thats too far into nerd territory for me
🤔
modern brook
Starcraft is literally WH40k RTS with the tags scratched off
like quite literally they just couldnt get the licensing from GW
GW was obviously too worried about having a good game for their IP
sick sentinel
there is some outerspace alien stuff that is really pog
old sinew
Starcraft is literally WH40k RTS with the tags scratched off
Fr StarCraft never really evolved away from 40k the way Warcraft evolved away from and usurped Warhammer Fantasy
sick sentinel
and there is some that is.... wtf....
modern brook
Fr StarCraft never really evolved away from 40k the way Warcraft evolved away fr...
WHFB lore owns
like unironically its one of the best and most fleshed out fantasy worlds since tolkien
old sinew
WHFB lore owns
What happened to bretonnia?
modern brook
T-T
old sinew
I hate that they’re turning Warhammer fantasy into 40k minus 40k instead of letting it be it’s own thing
🤷♂️
40k obv the more successful of the two and they’re trying to backport that success into Warhammer fantasy
sick sentinel
RIP over mind, he was the finest mind of his generation.
old sinew
I loved by bretonnians and my Lizard men armies. Feels like they’re forcing imperials and chaos and orcs too much based off 40k
sick sentinel
wait, that joke might not work, i think i may have misgendered overmind as him when it's clearly a they/them
toxic pewter
do EU realms go down for 8 hours on wednesday like NA servers do on Tuesday or wat
modern brook
I loved by bretonnians and my Lizard men armies. Feels like they’re forcing impe...
so like the cut over lore of FB->AOS also kinda cool, but i fully agree AoS is lame
because they made it so that the stormforged are like "space marines but without the things that keep space marines from absolutely dumpstering chaos"
so its just a big ???? "how is my immortal army of Kratos-esque warriors losing?"
potent gulch
i couldve just made this screenshot lol
i jsut made crafted haste crit helm with socket as a start. much better then my 421 tier helm ;-x
potent gulch
you can slap the shadowpatch on it later
thats was my idea. after i heard it will turn into 421 on reset day.
what Nelth trinket gives for prot war?
misty moss
does shadowflame socket anywhere?
Guess I'm off to farm 2x Essence Bottles from world drops O.o
Need to craft the primal molten helm and finally commit to frostfire belt
strong forum
what Nelth trinket gives for prot war?
crit + ~2k str on proc and 5% increased dmg taken
potent gulch
crit + ~2k str on proc and 5% increased dmg taken
solid.
strong forum
we're the only tank using it
funnily enough
but it sims 800 dps higher than any other trinket
and obv translates well into aoe
pally also wants forgestorm, but since we get more str, a str weapon is also better for us
grizzled kite
So patch hits on 3rd for Europe, does that mean we get one week before new raid releases to get a shot at CE?
potent gulch
we're the only tank using it
still need luck to vault loot it 😄
modern brook
So patch hits on 3rd for Europe, does that mean we get one week before new raid ...
i think today/tomorrow is the last day for AOTC/CE achievements
old sinew
i think today/tomorrow is the last day for AOTC/CE achievements
This is not correct
grizzled kite
Conflicting
misty moss
Today is the last day
old sinew
Today is not the last day that is wrong
latent steppe
is it a good idea to drop embellished 418 shield and get the 418 waist one?
latent steppe
is it a good idea to drop embellished 418 shield and get the 418 waist one?
the one with frostfire emb
strong forum
still need luck to vault loot it 😄
maybe its not good for dps
toxic pewter
how much magic damage is in s2 dungeons
daring marlin
really? they give prepatch
It's pretty much always until the new raid drops
modern brook
It's pretty much always until the new raid drops
I must do this every patch then :/
good news guilford i can run keys
strong forum
still 2k dps worse
on aoe
and with that enchant 600 dps worse on ST
ye
ya but your ST sim is also just 4k less than mine
can you gimme your forgestorm string
ok ima sim with forgestorm as string
now it says that axe is worse
que
now im at 91k with forgestorm when used as string
dafuq
ah well
crude notch
Ezpz
modern brook
now im at 91k with forgestorm when used as string
link sim plz? I'd like to dig
strong forum
nothing special really
just small apl to use LS and not use revenge to proc tierset anymore and talent change + new gear
jagged pier
we did before
uneven mason
Not doing this goes against everything we believe in