remember the IP off the GCD horse shit from BFA?
#protection
modern brook
craggy pilot
stand in circle, rotate CDs, keep up Shield of Righteous
modern brook
definitely what broke it for season 2 :^)
mighty valley
the only hard part of pala is actually being aware enough to use your utilities
craggy pilot
i hate when i have Sentinel up, and i click a defensive for a mechanic because i forgot i had Sentinel on 🤣
daring marlin
If you guys think warrior is harder to play than pally that's pure cope
dusky canopy
stand in circle, rotate CDs, keep up Shield of Righteous
I think the whole “play it optimal” is what they’re referring too
Because you have more to micro manage on pally vs war
strong forum
remember the IP off the GCD horse shit from BFA?
IP was more a dps gain than anything else
And the introduction of bom
modern brook
and blocking projetiles
craggy pilot
Prot Warr is just keep block up, use SW and SR, ??? profit
modern brook
like we got so many things going into that season lol
and it was just "wow now that ip is off the gcd war feels so good :DDDD"
daring marlin
BoM ❤️
crude notch
Tbf ip off the GCD did FEEL good
modern brook
my point just being people are generally pretty bad at identifying why they're doing things they're doing
strong forum
Bom is just a copout, but it helps getting 60% mastery for free
Or well, 30% effectively
crude notch
Because on the GCD it was cursed
strong forum
50% uptime on Avatar yada yada
crude notch
Yeah
daring marlin
I did the same. Mythic zek adds? CLAP CLAP CLAP
Giga demo extendo was great too
rip it in s2
strong forum
We went from 100% demo to 60%demo uptime
modern brook
That's the whole motivation to pwar
the only rotation that I've played more satisfying than 👢🍵👏 was BC -> S H I E L D S L A M in i tihnk antorus was the teir
strong forum
Still fine
uneven mason
And SR tech being found
Watching our pal eat shit on mythic zekvoz meanwhile I'm rolling that tankbuster up like "what buster?" Or the blood boss
strong forum
Was I believe 3 TCs 3 revenges 6 SS
uneven mason
the only rotation that I've played more satisfying than 👢🍵👏 was BC -> S H I E...
The 4p/2p shenanigans where ss had no CD, forever
Also crit blocking death scyth
modern brook
i kinda wish we got the artifact ability as a alent tbh (mental gymnatsics: critblocking death scyth -> artifact ability i think crit block -.i miss that button)
it was ass yeah, but like it seems weird that we dont really have a shield CD
uneven mason
200million raw - oh, that one broke my absorb
craggy pilot
boys, what do i play for S2? doing M+ and Raid hopefully
not tanking in raid, but likely tanking in M+ 🤔
Arms Warr
Prot Warr
Enha Sham
Resto Sham
Prot Pala
Destro Warlock
uneven mason
Although when you took actual damage from scythe you knew the next one would probably kill you
craggy pilot
<:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
isnt the Arms tier set literal dogshit?
crude notch
Prot warrior or uabitch
modern brook
uneven mason
Because you've hit your mitigation ceiling
modern brook
craggy pilot
Prot warrior or uabitch
thats like the default 😄
mighty valley
play the fun ones and don't play the not fun ones
uneven mason
play the fun ones and don't play the not fun ones
Life lessons
unkempt hatch
What’s the button we typically use between TC during avatar?
craggy pilot
what i did S1 was Enha Sham + Prot Warr
cus i didnt like Arms in Raid
prio to getting IP
then it became way different
uneven mason
What’s the button we typically use between TC during avatar?
Ss
craggy pilot
What’s the button we typically use between TC during avatar?
SS or Revenge
unkempt hatch
Gotcha
craggy pilot
you wont have SS ready always
crude notch
Ikari are you keeping dreamgrove in control? I heard someone say that Bear falls off in +10 in there yesterday.
uneven mason
you wont have SS ready always
But when it is ready, SS, always
modern brook
What’s the button we typically use between TC during avatar?
UF doesnt change the priority, it just makes TC out damage revenge + is used more often.
craggy pilot
during Avatar its like this:
TC -> (SS > Revenge) > TC > repeat
unkempt hatch
Is it a bad idea to macro Ip to revenge and use that when need spend rage?
uneven mason
Ikari are you keeping dreamgrove in control? I heard someone say that Bear falls...
Literally did a 14 as a 362guardian fresh off a leveling it
Didn't even press si
modern brook
Is it a bad idea to macro Ip to revenge and use that when need spend rage?
Your IP should be on a seperate bind, preferably one thats comfortable to press while you're doing your rotation
I have it on a mouse butotn
cause it exists pretty much soley to keep rage from being overcapped
uneven mason
Is it a bad idea to macro Ip to revenge and use that when need spend rage?
Very bad
strong forum
Is it a bad idea to macro Ip to revenge and use that when need spend rage?
Use the macro I explained in pins
That one will prove more useful
I often use that bind when I wanna send outburst
Or when IP is on CD and I'm too lazy to move my finger
craggy pilot
IP is on CD? 🤔
craggy pilot
oh so you mean IP on CD, but SS not 😄
strong forum
Yup
craggy pilot
thats ultra lazy haha
strong forum
Yup
uneven mason
Efficient
strong forum
But efficient
craggy pilot
but if IP on CD and SS not, it would trigger SS the first time you click it no?
strong forum
Yep
craggy pilot
unless SS comes off CD like a split second after you pressed the first IP
strong forum
Yep
unkempt hatch
Ohhh so use that instead of regular SS button
modern brook
😦
unkempt hatch
Hahahaha
craggy pilot
😄
unkempt hatch
Gottcha
strong forum
Very important difference
craggy pilot
#showtooltip
/Cast slam
/cast whirlwind
/cast shield slam
/cast ignore pain
my go to macro
strong forum
That
craggy pilot
./s
strong forum
Is illegal
craggy pilot
😄
mighty valley
the macro in pins helps but you also gotta have IP on a bind that's comfortable to mash with your core rotation buttons
unkempt hatch
TC is G
mighty valley
IP is A for me, while core rotation is 345R
craggy pilot
or
3 Revenge
G : IP
craggy pilot
IP is A for me, while core rotation is 345R
A?
unkempt hatch
If I change it now I’ll throw myself off
craggy pilot
do you move on Q?
mighty valley
yeah i'm an ESDF sicko
strong gust
ESDF chads
craggy pilot
yeah i'm an ESDF sicko
wot
unkempt hatch
Wtf is ESDF people play like that?!
craggy pilot
If I change it now I’ll throw myself off
yea was only a suggestion bro, its obviously gonna take a bit of getting used to
i did change my keys a bit early in the season, and helped me a lot with most of my classes
mighty valley
movement keys that opens up more keybinds to the left of your hand
i changed to it back in like TBC and never looked back
strong forum
Press F to Ignore Pain
warm plinth
F is execute. Everyone knows that.
craggy pilot
i played way too much PvP, and F was always my slow keybind
unkempt hatch
My charge is R for me
unkempt hatch
I think execute is F for me lmao
warm plinth
Esdf players are weird
modern brook
1 SS
2 TC
3 IP
G Revenge
revenGe
daring marlin
AWD move gang
modern brook
Esdf players are weird
im a qwe mover :^)
crude notch
Execute is D
warm plinth
You're weird too
modern brook
unkempt hatch
Interrupt is S+E on all toons except brew
warm plinth
Everyone that isn't me is weird and I'm weird too
daring marlin
AD are just strafe bruv
craggy pilot
my keys hella weird i bet
warm plinth
We're all weird af
warm plinth
my keys hella weird i bet
As soon as I see a bunch of shift and control keybinds, my mind represses the memory
unkempt hatch
Brew has boF on shift+e so my interrupt on brew is SHift+T
modern brook
C5 on execute is wild
crude notch
We play an 18 year old MMO and still complain about it every day
daring marlin
I soak it all in
crude notch
Interrupts on shift keys gross
warm plinth
Complaining is my lifeblood
craggy pilot
As soon as I see a bunch of shift and control keybinds, my mind represses the me...
memory? 😄
daring marlin
As soon as I see a bunch of shift and control keybinds, my mind represses the me...
Love my binds then
mighty valley
what on earth is the 1/2 key
warm plinth
You're a savage
crude notch
Wtf
craggy pilot
i am leftie though, so Shift + Ctrl is probably more natural for me than for rightie
i guess rightie is Shift + Alt?
warm plinth
I'm a lefty too sir
daring marlin
Ignore the port on the bar it just won't work out of my spellbook and I didn't get the WA again.
warm plinth
You don't type differently by your dominant hand though
modern brook
i guess rightie is Shift + Alt?
i mostly use shift alt but its cause i choke higher up on the keyboard so i can press it with like the bottom of my hand without having to move anything
craggy pilot
You don't type differently by your dominant hand though
huh?
crude notch
Ctrl + anything is just unhealthy for your hands to press regularly
warm plinth
Why would you type differently based on your dominant hand?
craggy pilot
Why would you type differently based on your dominant hand?
i have mouse in left hand
warm plinth
i mostly use shift alt but its cause i choke higher up on the keyboard so i can ...
The whole pressing a key with part of your hand thing is weird af too
Nielsen
Why
craggy pilot
Ctrl + something is Thumb on Ctrl for me
warm plinth
Don't be that lefty
warm plinth
Smfh
warm plinth
I am a lefty but I use the mouse right handed like a normal person
craggy pilot
shit
uneven mason
Ctrl + anything is just unhealthy for your hands to press regularly
Wat?
craggy pilot
im being attacked
warm plinth
I'm sorry I still love you Nielsen
craggy pilot
i should stream, and have hand cam, just to confuse the fuck out of people 🤣
uneven mason
I've been using Ctrl+ keys for hotkeys for 24 years not sure that it's impacted my health
warm plinth
I feel like people who use the mouse left handed have to be like super young or just never used a computer much before they started wow or something
craggy pilot
@warm plinth should rename to "Stop Using Control" now 🤣
crude notch
I've been using Ctrl+ keys for hotkeys for 24 years not sure that it's impacted ...
Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean my statement is false
warm plinth
I use shift for a few keybinds but I haven't used alt or ctrl ever other than when I only had a 2 button mouse. And then it was shift and alt on the 2 extra mouse buttons so I still wasn't pressing the keys
craggy pilot
i cant even figure out how people use their left hand on the keyboard with Ctrl / Shift / Alt modifiers
warm plinth
People do weird shit to use ctrl and alt mods
craggy pilot
Like even Shift+1 feels hella awkward
warm plinth
Like hitting alt with their thumb
crude notch
And I'm not talking about if you have a 3 minute cooldown and you use it on Ctrl whatever, I'm talking about if you were to put like SB on Ctrl+1.
warm plinth
Or ctrl with the side of their hand
uneven mason
Revenge is Ctrl 2
crude notch
It's not healthy that doesn't mean you specifically will have a problem but it's just not
Like there's heaps of studies done on it
warm plinth
Like even Shift+1 feels hella awkward
That's because it is. I use shift-R/F/C/V/T which are all very easy to hit
proper roost
Revenge being ctrl 2 is the wildest shit I've ever heard
crude notch
Just like the guy that lost weight eating McDonald's every day for a year, that doesn't mean it's healthy.
proper roost
What's shield slam, alt ctrl 3?
shut summit
alt f4
warm plinth
He has to press alt-f10 but with his back to the screen for shield slam
Basing loot council on parse is fuckin cringe
craggy pilot
what difficulty of the raid is it?
crude notch
Ilvl parsing kekw
craggy pilot
ilvl parsing when on mythic is probably a very skewed metric to go by 😄
mighty valley
i severely doubt that the loot council prog gains are worth the drama for like, 99% of guilds lmao
craggy pilot
cus you can be 95 parse, and less on ilvl parse
uneven mason
Basing loot council on parse is fuckin cringe
I had a guild in antorus doing this shit, I was using like LFR tier because "you're top 3, other people need it more"
No other people need to press fucking buttons
warm plinth
No he's saying he shouldn't get fucked out of loot because other people do less damage than him
craggy pilot
like why do you even have people who dont press buttons in your Mythic raid?
do they pay to be there?
strong forum
I had a guild in antorus doing this shit, I was using like LFR tier because "you...
That's very backwards
The worse players can utilise gear less than good players
Therefor it's a bigger gain for the better player to get gear
Unless ofc the gain is very large for the worse Player in ilvl
craggy pilot
lets make a raidbots sim that can take in a parse, and sim based on how much dps a person who parses green would do with an item 😄
so you can droptimize based on parses 🤣
strong forum
That'd be next level
warm plinth
Yes I agree with that. I just don't think parses are the whole story when determining that. I don't wanna give gear to a person who presses buttons well if he's dead all the time during prog just because he managed to not die during the kill
strong forum
But also very very hard
craggy pilot
but my point being, why do you even invite people who parse 10s in a fucking Mythic run
warm plinth
but my point being, why do you even invite people who parse 10s in a fucking Myt...
Some guy posted one of his boss kills in here the other day and he had 6 dps gray parsing on the boss they'd just killed after 90 pulls or something
crude notch
but my point being, why do you even invite people who parse 10s in a fucking Myt...
Because someone inevitably always parses 10 it's how percentiles work
strong forum
The average raid team consists of 5 very good players 5 average, then 5-10 people getting carried
crude notch
If you're expecting a raid full of 90+ parses this late in the tier, they need to keep the crayons away from you
craggy pilot
Because someone inevitably always parses 10 it's how percentiles work
not very likely in a reclear run though is it 🤔
warm plinth
Tbf there is a massive difference between expecting 90+ and expecting not gray
craggy pilot
if im expecting not 10 ilvl parse this late in the tier, i should stop eating crayons i guess
thx for the advice
also i unbound all my Ctrl keybindings, and went over to mouseclicking instead
crude notch
No you guys are just using extremes
craggy pilot
they are on the main raid team or what?
strong forum
The roster boss is the real boss
craggy pilot
haha this is just getting fun 😄
craggy pilot
yea i reckon even harder in Mythic, since you NEED 20 people all time every time
for HC the main issue is the DPS / heal ratio
crude notch
Hell in an average ce guild you're lucky if you have more than 1-2 backups
craggy pilot
everything else is just "oh we only showed up 12 people today? guess we go like this"
strong forum
Hell in an average ce guild you're lucky if you have more than 1-2 backups
We always made the case to have a roster of 25-27 people
Cuz consistency is lmao
crude notch
Yeah
craggy pilot
we have 15 people sign for our S2 raid team so far
strong forum
And we still had to pug people on the last boss
craggy pilot
and likely gonna lose 2 of them in the first 4 weeks
craggy pilot
ouch
crude notch
But yes if you're reclearing for the Xth time and you have someone who's parsing 10 all the time, that's monka, unless as expressed it's a roster thing
strong forum
Yup
craggy pilot
at the end of the day 40k dps is better than 0 dps 🤣
crude notch
If you're pugging a couple bodies it's a crap shoot
strong forum
It's a sad truth
craggy pilot
but ye, from the people who seen the few logs i posted in here, we have the same in most of our prog runs in HC 🤣
people not comprehending how their class works
and how to enchant items etc
people will always complain about loot
its crazy
crude notch
Just leave it up to the robot then no one gets butthurt if it's that much of an issue
craggy pilot
just use DKP 😄
crude notch
They can only blame the robot at that point
strong forum
But also, mythic isn't as hard to require sick dps players 1month++ into the tier
craggy pilot
hand out increased DKP if you parse high hahaha
crude notch
Start bidding on loot, richest person wins
craggy pilot
duel for the loot
strong forum
DKP is flawed, gdkp is flawed
Loot council makes the most sense
Or if you're cool
crude notch
Have a rap battle
strong forum
Just regular need/greed roll
craggy pilot
needing on the behalf of others in a guild grp 🤔
ultra sus
if someone did that in our grp, just to funnel gear to a friend
they wouldnt be invited next raid
crude notch
Your roster just sounds scuffed AF.
craggy pilot
if you need something, and you figure out you dont need it (fx if you sim it and its shit) then it goes to 2nd highest roller
not just to a random friend
like wtf 😄
strong forum
needing on the behalf of others in a guild grp 🤔
Our rules were so raw, if you won the item it's your choice whatever to do with it. If anybody complained they got memed
Could enchant it infront of other people's eyes
crude notch
Our rules were so raw, if you won the item it's your choice whatever to do with ...
I also like this approach as long as it's known.
strong forum
Yes
craggy pilot
Our rules were so raw, if you won the item it's your choice whatever to do with ...
if we did like this, we would get people needing for Mog 🤣
strong forum
It's first thing we announce
strong forum
Word for word
craggy pilot
but usually those people are so nice they will pass on loot for others 🤣
even though its their only chance of an upgrade
strong forum
also we have a bunch of people who do 0 M+
Not unusual
Lots of people only raidlog
Even in mythic
craggy pilot
in mythic it makes more sense, since youre getting endgame loot
craggy pilot
but when youre struggling to clear HC, i dont see why you dont wanna get a little bit higher gear from M+
like HC loot is 405
strong forum
When you don't have any gear
And youre only raidlogging
You still need m+ loot
That's just fact
craggy pilot
yea this is road to disaster 🤣
craggy pilot
we had to make specific rules about people having to be in the Loot spec they are playing
otherwise they can need on off-spec items, and win them over a main-spec guy
like a ret pala needing on a heal trinket in front of a healer
because he swapped to holy loot spec 😄
also a lot of people dont care about parse
if the boss is dead, its dead right?
the boss died, so they did something right
the shitty dps only matters in the wipes
like the "oh we are a few seconds off an enrage" or some shit
but they dont know that thats their fault
😄
they just think its a grp thing
mighty valley
i think "roll need if you actually need, don't trade that's gonna cause drama" is reasonable for most guilds
craggy pilot
sometimes i think some of our raiders might not even have Details installed
we did this a lot
it doesnt really help
people who dont wanna invest in the game, might get a tiny bit better for 1 week or so
but then just fall right back, when their class changes the smallest bit
because they dont seek information on new and updated builds
people will play their class the same way they played in SL, even though its completely different in DF
because they just dont know better
we had Ret Pala who would keep playing Execution Sentence build for entire S1
even though it wasnt the best build
and he wasnt running Crusader or whatever the fk its called
literally losing himself 15% dps
mighty valley
i'm fine with people in non-top end guilds playing the thing they find fun even if it's not optimal
it just gets weird if they insist it's also strong lol
mighty valley
yeah, that sucks
craggy pilot
i'm fine with people in non-top end guilds playing the thing they find fun even ...
same tbh, but then doing less than tank dmg 🤔
and when we get stuck on mechanics on different bosses because of DPS checks
and parses being completely skewed because they use a shitty talent build
idk if parse could be based on talent build 🤔 but that would be ultra weird
similar to ilvl parse maybe
"talent parse" 🤣
craggy pilot
"with this shitty talent build, you were top 100 of ret palas, but there was only 1 person, which is you" 🤣
strong forum
You get ilvl for memes, but General comparison between entire spec is somewhat accuratex
craggy pilot
nah but like, fx comparison of Momentum and non Momentum build in DH
or fx in Arms Warrior, you could compare about picking SKS or not SKS (i know SKS is not picked now, but just an example)
like if SKS was the play, but you didnt like the playstyle of SKS
but it would be very specific ye
"top Arms warrior with Spear of Bastion" 🤣
mighty valley
same tbh, but then doing less than tank dmg 🤔
i doubt the build was even close to the full story here lol
craggy pilot
or if the log compared ur DPS to a simc 😄 "you did 80% of the sim DPS"
craggy pilot
i doubt the build was even close to the full story here lol
i can talk a lot about that guy 😄
crude notch
There do be some reclears where you be wondering if it's better to run one short lol
crude notch
Let's just say there's some people that can't handle the drunk debuff
Which is wild to me because I used to never raid sober
unkempt hatch
Let's just say there's some people that can't handle the drunk debuff
I used to play HoTS drunk in college. When I was bored and alone, I would play penalty HoTS with myself. Every death was either finish drink or take a shot depending on what I was drinking. 🙈😂 didn’t take long to become a shit show
craggy pilot
what lvl m+?
left cave
anyone know wth this thing is in the middle of my screen and how to remove it?
craggy pilot
yea
left cave
those white lines
craggy pilot
just need a grp for Mythic Raid 😄
stone pike
anyone know wth this thing is in the middle of my screen and how to remove it?
Looks like one of the proc animations. Not one I've seen before though.
quiet beacon
What is the correct priority of consuming Sudden Death procs? Wowhead prot warrior rotation doesn’t cover it, and I didn’t see it in the pins. Thanks!
cinder nova
What is the correct priority of consuming Sudden Death procs? Wowhead prot warri...
Above all except SS
Don't want dead SS resets
quiet beacon
Great, ty!
cinder nova
Yep
sonic moon
do we have ideas of what the best embellishments for s2 are gonna be
like has that been simmed yet
harsh bough
What do you guys recommend to inspect when you find you're dying to bosses like Erranog. I wonder - am I actually not mitigating properly or am I just not getting healed and what's an easy way to find out ?
harsh bough
Yeah I figured that would be the only way
cinder nova
We can speculate, but there's really no telling without giving it a gander.
harsh bough
Yeah. When I raid with my guild I seem to have no problem. When I pug mythic vault however I die much more often and so the I wonder if perhaps I'm potentially even being carried by the healers in my own guild
cinder nova
Maybe. Lemme see your death logs
harsh bough
I haven't been logging any of my pugs unfortunately. It is something I'm going to look into however
Unsure if this gives you any info
cinder nova
Yeah. When I raid with my guild I seem to have no problem. When I pug mythic vau...
Absolutely getting carried. Your blocked hits need a lot of work. You're at 70%, which is pretty low. You should be pushing upper 80s or 90s, our block uptime isn't an issue right now so that's probably a place to start.
Also just pressing stuff. Your stones shouldn't be eclipsing your shield slam damage.
And you pressed SR once despite taking a ton of stacks at the open and a mostly normal amount for the rest of the fight.
SR is literally free magic DR.
harsh bough
I see, I see
This is very helpful
Anything else of note?
I tend to not bother with shield block uptime while I'm offtanking however
Or is that a mistake?
proper roost
i mean with 70% blocked hits you seem to not be bothering with shield block uptime while you're actively tanking either
just overall need to be better button press
sand pebble
I tend to not bother with shield block uptime while I'm offtanking however
Sb makes ss 30% bigger
Maintain it
pallid quiver
Any other tips or notes would be highly appreciated btw
In terms of direct observations, on the Eranog log I can see, you cast Shield Wall... once. If you're dying, you also should absolutely not be looking at Bloodborne over Imp Wall, as well, since that's a huge amount of survival from the uptime on Shield Wall, and it is still damage because you get more rage per Shield Slam, as well
You also wasted more rage than your co-tank prot war and generated less than they did
They generated almost 300 more rage than you in that exact same fight, yet wasted about half of what you did
They also got 6 Demos out to your 4, so they're getting more survival, more rage, and more damage off that
They also never changed stances, but I'm guessing that's due to them being in Defensive Stance 100% of the time due to how low their damage is in comparison to how much overall better their button pressing was
Heck, they were even prioritizing the wrong buttons and got more casts out per minute than you
pallid quiver
just overall need to be better button press
So, really, the like basic problem is this. You really just need to press more buttons and to use things on CD better
vocal mica
Got KSM for the first time every the past week and still feeling like I have a lot of basics to improve upon, one of which is threat management. When I rolling with pumpy DPS folks I do lose aggro at times exclusively on trash. I try to strafe about a smack thunder clap and revenge but often I’m saving my shock wave for interruptible stuff. At times I literally have to select the specific mob and use taunt or apply single target hits to peel them off and that seems weird. Any tips would be appreciated.
pallid quiver
DPS might be prio blasting that single mob, then if that's the case
pallid quiver
Other than that, Aggro shouldn't be an issue as long as you properly initiate on a pack or aren't massively undergeared
sand pebble
Hehe
cinder nova
Just understand snap aggro with big AOE and proper rotation
pallid quiver
Especially if your CDs are up, you can Ravager pre-pull, Charge, TC for a buffer, Demo -> Roar -> Shield Charge and you'll never lose aggro
sand pebble
If dps pulls threat on a pack aoe taunt, make sure positioning is correct so revenge hits everything
vocal mica
400 ilvl with some 415+ folks, I do think my kiting and mob stacking needs some work because I do at times run off with melee trash and leave a ranged mob to forget about me and notice my healer
pallid quiver
You can probably be like 20 ilvls below before it should remotely be a problem if you're running your CDs right
and as long as the DPS don't omega blast one specific no-name dumbo mob
vocal mica
Yeah this all makes sense
pallid quiver
Also, it is worth knowing prio targets, since most DPS will aim most of their damage and cleave off of the prio targets, so they're sorta more at threat of aggro loss, but not really due to the aggro multipliers we have
vocal mica
Ok for priority targets as a tank, I’ve been thinking about this a bit. Say for the manawyrms leading up Veximus, those are who I’m targeting actively and doing the most direct damage to at all times, otherwise the rest of the mobs are taking my cleave/AOE damage, unless one of them won’t get off a teammate. Is focusing on the most dangerous mob in that instance the best approach as a tank?
pallid quiver
Prio targets are always "What makes party die/pull take longer"
vocal mica
Right
pallid quiver
Anything that is a concern to you is generally not a prio target
So the axes in AA are generally not a major prio, since they just make our life suck, as compared to the books/staves that make the DPS and Heals no longer there
vocal mica
Otherwise I’m not paying the others much mind aside from mouseover interrupts perhaps and grouping
Thanks!
quiet monolith
Pally nerfs. Is it time to come back to war land ??
cinder nova
Begone, fickle pretender.
sick sentinel
Pally nerfs. Is it time to come back to war land ??
Paladin
Nerfs
Pick one
cinder nova
It was never time to leave, you sully the eaves of our war halls with your insouciance and buyable loyalty.
quiet monolith
Tbh it was kinda nice to have an alt I was excited about
Went from only seeing war tanks to only seeing pally tanks
crude notch
It was never time to leave, you sully the eaves of our war halls with your insou...
This should be on a poster
stone pike
Or is that a mistake?
I would argue it is but that's just my preference. I maintain the shield block at all times so I don't have to restart building it from scratch while actively tanking.
cinder nova
You should be using it for damage.
It increases SS by 30%
Absolute clownshoes move not to.
stone pike
It increases SS by 30%
It does? Well I guess that's another reason to. Like I said I just feel maintaining your defensives is helpful since you don't really want to have to be restarting them every time you taunt.
harsh bough
Thanks for the advice all
cinder nova
It does? Well I guess that's another reason to. Like I said I just feel maintain...
Has nothing to do with that. It's not a ramp, it's a duration.
You should be using block so that you don't have 2 charges, that way you're maintaining block and ideal cooldowns of the two charges.
stone pike
I know how it works. But if you let IP and shield block drop off that's two things you need to redo when you taunt.
cinder nova
Only dip into the second charge when you're about to fall off before that.
Yeah that's not how any of that works.
Obviously you want to have block up when actively tanking, but there's an ideal way of going about it and a dumb way of doing it.
With ED we should be able to maintain block pretty much almost indefinitely, especially with Shield Champ
Like this isn't a discussion about "restarting" your active mit
That's completely 
take
trim bay
73k over all in AA is that ok? or end of season thats low
trim bay
I know how it works. But if you let IP *and* shield block drop off that's two th...
you would want sb up b4 taunt
stone pike
That's completely <:clowning:745703559202603121> take
I feel maybe I've worded this badly. All I'm saying is I think it's a detriment to not maintain them even while not actively tanking. You don't want to taunt swap and have no ignore pain or shield block when you could have been maintaining it.
trim bay
used for rage dump for outburst procs
should have 100 percent SB up time pretty easy. well 90% plus
cinder nova
100% with HR barring downtime in a fight
trim bay
yea
stone pike
So basically we were arguing the same thing the entire time? Good to know.
cinder nova
Taking the wrong way to the right answer is luck
mighty valley
i mean, if you're running HR, yes, never let it drop, no reason to
if you're running ITF, slightly more nuance
"restart building SB" isn't really a thing though, it's at the same effectiveness frame 1 as any other time
cinder nova
Yeah, this is the fundamental issue. The reason we're so hyped over keeping up block outside of active tanking isn't because "oh what happens if we taunt and it's not up?"
It's because it's a fuckload of free damage
And misunderstanding that can lead to incorrect play from a fundamental misunderstanding
stone pike
"restart building SB" isn't really a thing though, it's at the same effectivenes...
Like I said I think it was wording it badly. Better to go into active tanking with it already on you than have to use SB, use IP, etc when somebody is already beating on you.
cinder nova
Yeah, but again, that's... not the point?
We aren't keeping it up for convenience.
We keep it up FOR DAMAGE.
I'll say it a third time.
It's for DAMAGE.
mighty valley
eh, just a weird way to think about it. you want as much uptime as you can get when running ITF, and none of the downtime should be during active tanking. that's all
and you press IP almost as much during offtanking as you do during active tanking, so no need to overthink that part either
cinder nova
I mean you're gonna press it A LOT more if you're getting your shit smashed in 
doing those huge pulls I noticed you gotta keep on cleaving otherwise you lose the IP from tier and suddenly you're getting absolutely trucked even with block up
Reasonably, if you know it's about to drop you throw something like Wall up
Although I guess that's not actually pressing IP kekw
mighty valley
IP use is just gated by rage income though, and being hit is a relatively small part of rage gen, is all i'm saying
- revenge free procs
shell mortar
During big pulls it's common for IP to drop. What's important is to keep your 4set rolling and just keep your rotation without dead gcds. You're a lot tankier without a big IP bar than people think
cinder nova
Yeah, but I've noticed there's a definite sweetspot where you can basically float 4p IP pretty indefinitely with a big enough pack.
But you have to keep cleaving.
shell mortar
Starting from a certain key level, especially forti, that's not really possible, no. Good example is first pull AA. There's just no way to keep an active IP up. Now, the 4p + IP talent will still keep your health bar from hitting 0 but you'll never have a real IP bar avtive
20s, sure. Just go battle stance and do your rotation, should never drop
cinder nova
Where do you say it starts to falter?
I haven't seen it be a serious occurrence yet, but the highest I run is 23 on a good day, usually 21, 22
mighty valley
hard to say, i don't track IP super keenly since it rarely affects your decision making
shell mortar
Where do you say it starts to falter?
Idk, like 24-25s probably? Depends on the pull, the key, affixes, etc.
AA, HoV and TJS are probably the keys where you start feeling threatened earliest since the pulls get bigger and the mobs fucking slap
Especially TJS, start feeling like a BDK at certain points
still dawn
For mythic + should I have whirlwind bound? I intially didnt assuming Id just spam clap + reveng, but now Im noticing its hard to get aggro if clap is on cooldown or I have no rage for revng
harsh bough
Are you guys weaving shield charge when you run out of shield block charges to keep 100% uptime?
cinder nova
Never gonna WW matey
cinder nova
Are you guys weaving shield charge when you run out of shield block charges to k...
Your block uptime should inform how you use shield block, regardless of where you're getting it from
the formula doesn't change
If no block > use block
If block 2 charge > block
If block 1 charge > wait til 2 charges
You're basically coasting on that spare block charge so you can use to fill with it
We still want to be sending ShCH on CD
It's too good not to for damage
violet flume
Are you guys weaving shield charge when you run out of shield block charges to k...
Idk if that's what you meant, but there's no need to "weave", if you do 2x shieldblock + shield charge it'll add up all the duration at once. So if you have 8sec shield block up and do a shield charge, it'll add another 8sec and set your shield block duration to 16sec. So yeah, use shield charge on CD
harsh bough
Okay understood
sinful copper
i should def take spell block on tjs right?
dusty monolith
you can spell block the dark claw in tjs, in addition to many other spells so Its quite usefull. here is a spreadsheet in what spells from trash/boss in s1 as well as s2 dungeons you can spell block https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#
sinful copper
ty i appreciate it!
dusty monolith
that being said I am a lazy scrub and cleared everything in 20 without spell block, somehow I just dont like the CD and forget to use it half the time
pallid quiver
More of note, it can help cover for some of 3rd boss, since when timed properly, it'll block two of the initial hits, allowing it to double its benefits
dusty monolith
think its quite mandatory in higher keys though
pallid quiver
Which makes you getting murdered a lot less of a likelihood
dusty monolith
I always rotate spell reflect for reduced spell dmg, wall, victory rush + hp pot and spell reflect again with last stand as emergency on second boss, never had more than 4 jade hits as we save lust for jade phase
merry umbra
I thought I'll see some info in pinned but I didn't, any thoughts on the new embelishments?
sinful copper
yeah it was easy on a 21. just finished it
merry umbra
I'm pretty sure we will be replacing lariat at start, but what to replace it with 😄
stone pike
that being said I am a lazy scrub and cleared everything in 20 without spell blo...
The only one that ever hosed me at 20 was SBG's skeletons on fortified. That was the point where I learned spell block existed at all lol
sinful copper
the bolstered last trash pull wiped me tho
wraith ledge
Hi, might not be the best place to ask this but anyone knows if next week we can still run m+ dungeons?
grizzled kite
Afaik only m0 until season release
hexed bolt
And s2 week after with m+ opening and raid all diff
stone pike
So is there just a lull between S1 and S2 or are we expected to grind a key for the start of S2?
crude notch
Hi, might not be the best place to ask this but anyone knows if next week we can...
From the 2nd/3rd until 9th/10th you will still be able to run S1 M+
The only time there isn't any M+ is the start of expansions
merry umbra
So is there just a lull between S1 and S2 or are we expected to grind a key for ...
do a 25 so u can have a 15 first week in s2
stone pike
do a 25 so u can have a 15 first week in s2
Hah I'm not that brave. 21 is as high as I've gone.
craggy pilot
do a 25 so u can have a 15 first week in s2
why stop there?
do a +30 so you can do a +20 first week
merry umbra
I'll do a lot 20s first week regardless, just gettin there faster 😄
hopefully not overtiming them with hours
stone pike
I'm good with starting a little lower while I reacclimate to the new dungeon loadout
lyric heart
is there a prebis items list for S2 for prot?
pallid quiver
whatever your highest ilvl items are
grizzled kite
am I getting benched by playing Warrior in the raid? 
shell mortar
am I getting benched by playing Warrior in the raid? <:sadgers:10225260822782486...
Ask your raid lead/guild master
If it's not a competitive guild, who cares
pallid quiver
A lot of non-competitive guilds care
crude notch
am I getting benched by playing Warrior in the raid? <:sadgers:10225260822782486...
why would you get benched?
shell mortar
~~A lot of non-competitive guilds care~~
Well they're fucking dumb
pallid quiver
I may have thought it, but I didn't say it 🙂
shell mortar
And you should quit that kind of guild
grizzled kite
why would you get benched?
- am bad
- need class to boost me rather than own skill
- gotta stay comp
pallid quiver
You need to stop just posting my thoughts; this is an invasion of privacy
shell mortar
I mean if you're that worried about it, reroll to peepee
Or, yknow, ask your raid lead/guild master
crude notch
Do you have a warrior buff in your raid?
crude notch
I mean if you're that worried about it, reroll to peepee
Is Pally even the best raid tank?
p sure it's not.
shell mortar
Numbers wise I'm pretty certain it is
crude notch
what numbers
crude notch
So they don't pump?
shell mortar
Wdym
crude notch
And that's 10.0.7
shell mortar
Check the max
crude notch
What's their numbers in 10.1
shell mortar
2md best behind BRM
shell mortar
What's their numbers in 10.1
Idk, I said pre-nerf
Afaik only sentinel was nerfed, not regular wings
grizzled kite
I just love warriors man.. like I dont want to switch
crude notch
sentinel hp was nerfed bro
shell mortar
That's what I'm saying
crude notch
they lost wings/sentinel uptime otherwise
They got a 3.7% dps nerf
You're basing next tier's numbers with a different tier set on current tier numbers.
And only using max as your qualification
crude notch
I was just wondering where you got your bold statement of "it slaps so it's best raid tank"
crude notch
It's not the best damage tank
crude notch
If you're dying in raid on any tank it's not like a hard problem to parse out.
shell mortar
It just does good dam under all circumstances
And can't die means it requires less attention from your team
Which is always good
crude notch
But dying in raid is omegalul in the first place.
shell mortar
It's easy to play
crude notch
Like who's dying in raid
shell mortar
But dying in raid is omegalul in the first place.
Not everyone is a god like you man
grizzled kite
Can't the same thing be applied to warriors though? Our rotation already makes us not die
crude notch
I'm not saying I'm a god
grave wedge
So whats harder prot pally or warrior
I think warriors easy but the pallys cry warriors harder
shell mortar
Imagine saying who dies in raid only 2 tiers after Jailer
Warrior more actions per minute but inherently easier
grave wedge
Warrior more actions per minute but inherently easier
This is my exact opionion
crude notch
Here I"ll link random WCL facts for you too.
"Max" dps (since that's what you use) on the only boss that matters.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#class=Tanks&dataset=100&aggregate=amount&boss=2607
shell mortar
Can't the same thing be applied to warriors though? Our rotation already makes u...
Yep. But then pally has sac, bubble, bop, spellwarding, off healing and Ret/Devo aura
crude notch
Can't the same thing be applied to warriors though? Our rotation already makes u...
Correct.
If you're dying in raid 99.9% of the time it's a very simple adjustment to be made and usually happens because of a mistake made not your class.
shell mortar
Did you prog Jailer when it was current?
shell mortar
BrM would disagree that it was a player mistake not a poor choice of class
Star boi as well
Denathrius
Sylvanas
crude notch
No
Denathrius and Sylvanas definitely do not come even close to sniffing Jailer's scent as far as tanking
shell mortar
Ok
crude notch
Also:
This started as you saying PPal was the best raid tank and then you shifted goalposts, so have a good day.
old sinew
Imagine worrying about dying as a tank in the raid. IIRC there's a single trash pull in Mists of Tirna Scithe, those two monkeys before 1st boss, that do more auto-attack DPS than Mythic Jailer, on I believe it was a 26 Fortified. And you only have 1 healer, not 4 (?)
ionic roost
Imagine worrying about dying as a tank in the raid. IIRC there's a single trash ...
To be fair, splitting the damage across 2 instances smooths a lot of your dtps
Especially white hits
slim dove
pretty sure brm is the best raid tank followed by whatever cuz it really doesnt fucking matter
BDK was cracked because it ignored 99% of the raid mechanics
lime urchin
95% of the people don’t press enough buttons to make tank choice matter and the ones that do don’t discuss it here
crude notch
Yep
ionic roost
Just play what you're good at and enjoy and if you are a multi class enjoyer whatever you think your team could need
uneven mason
95% of the people don’t press enough buttons to make tank choice matter and the ...
"if you're playing at the level where it matters, your raid leader would have already told you what tank you're playing".
merry umbra
pretty sure brm is the best raid tank followed by whatever cuz it really doesnt ...
with the stacking magic dmg over time in most of the bosses in the new raid, high doubt 😄
uneven mason
Monks have a better kit for that than we do TBH.
Not by a ton
Although bdk is probably the real champ for raids still, that tier set is stupidly strong for not being dead
restive crown
I have crafted lariat, frost fire, weapon, shield, primal bracer, chest and boots for season 1,and have 1 spark remaining
any suggestion on what I should craft before next week?
my only 415 piece left is a tier shoulder..
uneven mason
Idk if warrior sees a large shift in what embellishments we use
But I know if we don't need the fire damage to trigger ring the belt drops in value
But there nothing in pins about the new embellishments yet!
You wouldn't want to run another tier slot as crafted for sure
ionic roost
with the stacking magic dmg over time in most of the bosses in the new raid, hig...
If you're living in Legion sure
slim dove
with the stacking magic dmg over time in most of the bosses in the new raid, hig...
cba until the raids out and its not just memes on ptr
empty locust
Whats the general feeling about the prot tier set? It looks ok but i'm finding it hard to get a feel for how good it will be
edgy kindle
Hmmm, do we know by any chance what embelishments we'll be running next patch?
uneven mason
Idk if the Sims have been sorted yet
So I had someone give me a hot take last night "a warrior could tank that in greys" so I'ma grab some grey armor and shield and see how far I get, is there any grey trinket?
violet flume
apparantly yes, though im not sure if its some weird datamining from wowhead, i included some white ones thugh
ionic roost
So I had someone give me a hot take last night "a warrior could tank that in gre...
Grey items just have armor and no stats, so trinkets are just blank, so just have no trinkete
uneven mason
Hmm, makes sense
Oh I know I'll equip the non upgraded heirloom int trinkets, just for ilvl
dusky canopy
you pretty much need a shield
the only thing that will give you trouble is the lack of stamina
violet flume
yeah, reminder CoS +20 has been timed by Naowh runnign with 0 plate gear on, only trinket, jewlery weapons and cloak. he had like 200k hp lol
slim dove
reminder cos has next to zero tank damage
strong forum
naowh did the same in bfa on fh +25
aslong as your shield is max ilvl you wont flop to melee dmg
jagged pier
yeah, reminder CoS +20 has been timed by Naowh runnign with 0 plate gear on, onl...
He also did it on brm but ppl forget that part too
uneven mason
I mean all that really reinforces for me is that nowah gets carried by his team 
mental scarab
Weird How easy keys are when the grp know what to do
old sinew
Weird How easy keys are when the grp know what to do <:okayge:917646812519739433...
Almost all content in this game is easy if the group knows what to do. It turns out that it is pretty rare to put such a group together
🤷♂️
mental scarab
@old sinew that is so true
cerulean tusk
When you join a group that just plays in sync 
modern brook
He also did it on brm but ppl forget that part too
Wasn't bfa brewmaster like only ~10% less effective if you like never used the brews or something
I remember some horse shit in uldir
uneven mason
I remember some horse shit in uldir
"the fetid log"
amber siren
holy shit i forgot about the fetid log
uneven mason
Because stagger didn't scale in effectiveness even if you were at cap, so you could just literally not use defensive abilities on brm and still not die
modern brook
Yeah that's what it was
uneven mason
Meanwhile fetid started to one shot bdk through wotn, because they had a substantial armor nerf.
cerulean tusk
Talking about armor, anyone seen how large the armor normalisation is this time around?
modern brook
Wotn?
cerulean tusk
In the best way
dense barn
kinda new to prot - realistically what is the cd of shield wall?
modern brook
~60
cerulean tusk
Around a min
modern brook
Depends on a lot
But about a min is very doable just by hammering the rotation correctly
dense barn
oh wow, i've been REALLY underestimating the cd then
totally been sitting on it for rainy day sheeeeesh
modern brook
Most people do, yah
uneven mason
totally been sitting on it for rainy day sheeeeesh
Are you using defender's aegis?
If you are, swap to impenetrable wall like, yesterday
modern brook
Defenders aegass more like
modern brook
Yah. Basically evert global is another 3s off the cd
uneven mason
Good, but yeah general rules for prot warrior - prioritizing DPS leads to near optimal defensive gameplay, and just send it.
dense barn
feels like im just slamming my keyboard and getting value, p fun
uneven mason
Unless you have a serious reason to sit on a CD, just use it
uneven mason
feels like im just slamming my keyboard and getting value, p fun
Yup, that's how prot be in DF
dense barn
its kinda different than prot pally, which im used to
uneven mason
Press buttons and W to win
I mean not having a 35 yard range ae auto silence on a 45s CD must be jarring
uneven mason
After avatar (off GCD) ravager (because of tick delay) then DS, then everything else
dense barn
got it
uneven mason
But in general you're not holding anything CD wise
sharp dew
Has anyone here been playing ptr a bit? I noticed freehold just autos are actually slamming through block+ds or block+wall when doing the pulls after 2nd boss. They must’ve buffed that trash an insane amount or something because you could quad pull that in bfa and your health wouldn’t move
uneven mason
We may want to check if "throw rock" is back
cerulean tusk
Oh not that bug where it just ignored everything again.
Heroic Throw, to pull em, get slapped to the ground in turn
amber siren
I don't think there's been a tuning pass on m+ since the 25% damage/hp change
Stuff like the vortex pinnacle re-work is near one shot territory as well even without fort/tyr
So I'd say those are going to be reduced p soon
amber siren
AoE CC doesn't affect them
lavish oracle
Okay, thanks, I know, do you know that it doesn't hit them from testing or not?
amber siren
That one specific example? Nope
lavish oracle
Okay, thank you
daring marlin
Anyone know if disrupting shout hits incorporeal?
Supposedly it does as long as you're targeting it.
shut summit
it only fears the one you're targeting
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, intimidating shout works for sure, I neglected to test with disrupting shout talented. It's got slightly funky behavior on live so I was wondering if worked but I guess I'll have to wait til the affix is live to test it
astral crystal
agile silo
Hi! Someone can tell me wich primordial stones are the best for warr tank?
hushed harbor
Check the piiiiiiins (guitar solo)
agile silo
Oh, ty xD
quiet monolith
Been playing pally but suddenly really feeling like I wanna go back war for start of s2
Utility and kicks on pally so nice tho
sick sentinel
im playing paladin as well, this guy is an absolute gigachad
oblique quarry
Is the new cartable shield looking decent?
sick sentinel
im playing paladin as well, this guy is an absolute gigachad
Holy Freeze? Do you not have a Desert Merc?
holy freeze bis
Not if you have a merc doing it for you lol
strong forum
by calling his mom
sick sentinel
what a grand and intoxicating innocence
daring marlin
chaos god Yogi
blissful crow
What are the opinions on crafting what gear for fresh characters going into 10.1 who won't have access to season 1 raid gear?
I was looking at the shield of the hearth and the allied wrists?
primal crypt
Is prot warrior viable?
pallid quiver
no we're trash and can't clear +2s
primal crypt
Thanks
pallid quiver
i'll get to the equp in a sec
primal crypt
Is prot S tier? Or A tier?
pallid quiver
I was looking at the shield of the hearth and the allied wrists?
So, usually, we don't want an Embel on shield or weapon, since those are the only items that provide a specific stat that scales with their ilvl, weapon damage in weapon's case, block value in shield's case
dusky canopy
were THE tier
pallid quiver
Embellished items usually can't be as high as dropped items, but that won't be super relevant starting out next patch.
dusky canopy
the other specs dont exist
primal crypt
blissful crow
I'm not looking to push top tier content, just trying to free up another tank in guild for easier access to keys for guildies
pallid quiver
I would still say wait a bit for embels to settle next patch before worrying about it, as tuning can still exist
pallid quiver
But for S1 we crafted wep and shield to highest ilvl without embels on them, then the other embels were all roughly the same for Prot War
I've heard that one of the new embellishments is looking good for us, and Frostfire Belt got buffed, so if that's accurate, those are two decent picks to plan for. Frostfire's able to be grabbed now if so
blissful crow
would it be worth to craft the embellished shield for now, just to get viable as fast as possible for fast gear to tank keys for farming?
It'll be my third alt and my only tank
pallid quiver
I'd say just craft the stats shield still
blissful crow
Ok
pallid quiver
Embels haven't been much benefit so far
Not sure if that's still the case or will still be the case, but that's what they've been so far
dusky canopy
do frost fire belt
pallid quiver
(Roughly 1% of your damage, in case you're curious, so relatively minor)
dusky canopy
lariat will be good but not at the start of s2
blissful crow
Frost fire really still worth it if you don't have earanog ring?
pallid quiver
Without fire ring, it's roughly the same as other embels currently
Last I heard from PTR, it's also in line for buffs
It also doesn't take a tier slot, and isn't on a part that's big stat budget so when it does matter that embels don't reach the highest ilvl possible
Frostfire's probably your safest bet overall atm for embellishment purposes
blissful crow
Ok. Solid, thanks for the feedback.
restive crown
should I make primal shoulders and allied bracers, or another fury weapon if i have 2 extra sparks? (already have lariat, frost fire, weap, shield,ring, primal bracer chest feet)
dusky canopy
do you have an item with flavour pocket?
restive crown
hmm nt yet
dusky canopy
are you trying to like flex or just focus one spec?
restive crown
I flex sometimes, but mostly play prot
dusky canopy
you could equip whatever sim tells you is bis and then do droptimizer if you are trying to minmax
otherwise bracers are nice for multi spec
restive crown
ahhh was js wondering if I shud craft anything for 10.1
like another embellishment to replace lariat for eg since it's getting nerfed
crude notch
tbd
crude notch
Prot warrior is not viable won't even let you zone into mythic raid.
undone verge
WORLD LAST BABY
undone verge
WORLD LAST BABY
daring marlin
👏
stone pike
Better late than never. Congrats.
proper roost
there was an excellent thread of some guy's guild having a final raid day for normal raz as their only kill
it was amazing
you don't know what struggling on a raid boss is until you see a casual guild's 50th attempt on normal raz
sinful copper
What's the strategy of orbs on vexamus? How do I avoid the bad overlap of mana bombs and fissure
haughty lance
What's the strategy of orbs on vexamus? How do I avoid the bad overlap of mana b...
I recommend never letting any balls in. The fissure at 2min will sometimes be bad whether or not you let a ball in, but without letting one you usually get 2sec or so to health pot before the fissure and you won't get any other really bad overlaps until 4min ish into the fight, when he should be dead or low
sinful copper
Really? I thought I watched high keys and they always let one in
undone verge
you don't know what struggling on a raid boss is until you see a casual guild's ...
casual is an overstatement
proper roost
they were adorable tbh
stone pike
Hey if they're proud of their achievement you'd have to be a real asshole to put a damper on it.
daring marlin
What's the strategy of orbs on vexamus? How do I avoid the bad overlap of mana b...
Let an orb in after the first and third fissure and it should avoid the nasty overlap every single time.
sinful copper
Ohhhhh AFTER the first and third
daring marlin
yes
sinful copper
Thank you
daring marlin
I make sure to let the team know that I'm doing that on MY SIDE and not to grab it.
sinful copper
Good thing I can make use of this info for the rest of the week rofl. Kinda learned it too late 😕
daring marlin
all good bro
I feel like AA is a one boss dungeon, that one boss being Vex.
Although the last couple AAs I've done people derp on last boss SOMEHOW.
stone pike
I'm dreading Underrot next season. I feel that last boss is going to be cut from a similar key killing cloth.
proper roost
why's that? last boss seems easy as long as you stay stacked and run thru
well, not easy, but
not the worst
stone pike
why's that? last boss seems easy as long as you stay stacked and run thru
I just feel like it's one that's going to be like tree boss was early in the season. Something mechanically confusing that's going to brick key after key because some people do the cleansing circle wrong.
proper roost
the legs/stack strat is the easiest/"normal" strat
and it basically does the circle by itself
you just have the whole group stack on tank the entire fight, on vile expulsion you just run through the boss about 10-15yds
and you kite him around in circles
The cleansing circle basically isn't a mechanic, the more worrying thing is the orbs that will randomly spawn on top of you if you're tanking the boss out too far
Seems like the strat works fine indefinitely since once you run out of room in the main area, the circle just goes a little ahead and clears out the space before restacking on you
i just tried to check a few underrot videos to see if there's one I could show that does this strat and all the shitty clickbait youtubers have made dogshit guides for it, zero correct strats lmao
no cragmaw wall tanking either smh
grizzled kite
lMAO
stone pike
Seems like the strat works fine indefinitely since once you run out of room in t...
Well it's reassuring to know it won't be too bad. I'm just remembering that it wasn't a great place back in BfA.
Oh there's no tyrannical anymore duh this won't be so bad
amber siren
Tyrannical and fort are definitely still a thing unless there's a change I completely missed
stone pike
Tyrannical and fort are definitely still a thing unless there's a change I compl...
Yeah I reread that and questioned myself because I remembered the +10 affix was going too.
Surely it wasn't both.
silver crane
So...for m+ so far in 10.1 are we viable or...?
warm plinth
Considering we are not changing at all, there's no reason we wouldn't be.
silver crane
Understood :))
shell mortar
In all fairness pwarr is changing, tier set is vastly different now. We're gonna be a tad weaker on trash pulls due to losing passive Dr and IP gen but a whole lot stronger on bosses, especially damage wise
potent gulch
Are there any dungeon trinket sims for 10.1 ? assuming 424 ilvl for example.
stone pike
I kinda like the prot set bonus. Having another defensive cd we can reduce the cooldown on is pretty handy
mortal brook
Are there any dungeon trinket sims for 10.1 ? assuming 424 ilvl for example.
bloodmallet and droptimizer on raidbots will update on patch or season start
stiff gate
26 tyrannical crawth makes me want to die 😦
mighty valley
sometimes makes you actually die too
stiff gate
yes pretty consistently
rotate dwarf/wall/demo/last stand and at some point i just run out and the boss chunks me for 400k and its over
potent gulch
bloodmallet and droptimizer on raidbots will update on patch or season start
Need now
mortal brook
theyre all implemented, run yourself some mimiron sims
potent gulch
True. Will do
I'm thinking of taking rashageth trinket. Assuming it could be good week 1 raid progress.
shell mortar
rotate dwarf/wall/demo/last stand and at some point i just run out and the boss ...
Consider your ravager and avatar as defensives too. Crawth is purely a marathon. The damage intake is super consistent, so anything that makes you get more IPs out will make you live
warm plinth
Chunks you for 400k with what?
The only tankbuster on Crawth is avoidable 🤔 unless they changed it
stiff gate
???
pallid quiver
night shift is killing our boy ghash
shell mortar
Might I ask what boss
warm plinth
shell mortar
Trying to think what rhymes with Crawth
warm plinth
I was thinking of cragmaw lol
shell mortar
Huhh
shell mortar
That feeling when you get 3 parries in a row on Kokia
wary spire
Feels good man
crude notch
@warm plinth hi, ilu.
lucid pasture
what the fuck
crude notch
What?
restive crown
do current tier set bonus stop working as soon as 10.1 hit?
mortal brook
they have not been turned off no. generally thats a post-xpack legacy gear thing
sick sentinel
ya
like, if u go to bfa zones, im pretty sure bfa shit works
that wasn't turned off, so like no TD cuz thats RFG
mortal brook
theyll be labled 'legacy inactive' and such
some things are, some are not. corruptions are off, ashjrakamas and heart of azeroth works, etc
tier sets are categorically legacy'd
sick sentinel
priest sees an afflicted mob....
blazing geyser
any idea what bis embelishments will be in 10.1
ashen coral
Hello I have a question, I saw if I replaced every haste / vers items for vers / crit items I would get approximately the same dps (a little bit more actually) as currently
Would it be viable to have 0% haste on war prot ? Or would the rotation be drastically changed ?
I know it’s a little bit weird (and the reason behing that is as weird) but I still need the answer
strong forum
It's viable but absolutely not recommended, haste is our best stat
jagged pier
would be giga dumb to keep vers over haste
strong forum
Your rage generation and thus defensive and offensive CDs will suffer from having 0 haste
On paper crit/vers is more dmg in ST that's correct, but the more targets you add the better haste gets, and it's just our best defensive stat too
ashen coral
The reason behing my question is that I would like one day to do mono war prot dungeon (I have stormwind guard transmo and stormwind guard are warrior, prot since they carry shield), and because of the new affliction affix which is not cancelable by warrior, it would mean we would have 0 haste if we tried
Mthat’s why I wondered if it was not replaceable
sick sentinel
because,
strong forum
Others can stop afflicted
strong forum
Oh you mean literally soloing dungeons
ashen coral
Others can stop afflicted
Yeah but I talked about rp run with only prot war
strong forum
Well afflicted is only active 2 out of 10 weeks
Surely you can just opt not to solo dungeons that week
sick sentinel
yah, in a world of 20 second buffs, versa wont do shit for most classes
ashen coral
Yeah I could, but it would be better if it was cleanable anyway x)
So haste is mandatory, it’s unfortunate
sick sentinel
compared to haste
strong forum
It's not mandatory, nothing in wow is, but it sure as hell makes for a smoother experience especially solo
sick sentinel
its not mandatory
strong forum
Your entire survivability relies on rage generation, which gets increased by haste
ashen coral
It's not mandatory, nothing in wow is, but it sure as hell makes for a smoother ...
It would be 5 prot war not really solo but yeah
sick sentinel
you'd just be literal stupid not to run it
strong forum
Ah.
Yeah then you still want haste
Cuz it's more dps in aoe
80%of the dungeon is about aoe
ashen coral
My current haste is 23%, would it make a huge difference for me for example ?
ashen coral
80%of the dungeon is about aoe
Ok ok thank you for your answer
ashen coral
you'd just be literal stupid not to run it
In the scenario I talked it’s not since we wiuld not be able to remove the affix but otherwise yes
sick sentinel
30% is a good place to try to get to, then you can decide if you want to stack haste, or put into crit/versa/mastery while keeping around/ above 30%
strong forum
Well we'll reach 30% alot easier next patch cuz you'll start playing ITF once you get 2pc tierset
sick sentinel
im usually most happy around 35%
strong forum
But as always, ilvl is king
ashen coral
30% is a good place to try to get to, then you can decide if you want to stack h...
I don’t know how you do 30%, I am at 410 ilvl with almost only haste poly and I am only at 23% x)
strong forum
Equip what highest item you can get, after that you prio haste
sick sentinel
just gotta keep farming till you find the pieces you want
cant catch fish if you aren't fishing
toxic pewter
How are you guys feeling going into season 2. U excited or wat
ashen coral
I should try a run without haste to see if the rage loss is really harmful or if it’s manageable, on simucraft I got the same dps but in reality it would certainly be different
ashen coral
How are you guys feeling going into season 2. U excited or wat
I like the new dungeons and tier set seems cool
strong forum
Im glad that I could somehow bridge this month with fucking around in poe
But yeah, just waiting mode
old sinew
Im glad that I could somehow bridge this month with fucking around in poe
you don't play alts?
sick sentinel
