protection

[ionic fern]

If you drop low for w/e reason and you know another smack is coming then you IV->SW for example.

If it's blockable damage then be sure to get SB up asap.

If you don't have the rage for SB

[craggy pilot]

not often that another big smack is coming after one big smack though 🤔

[ionic fern]

Then SW.

[craggy pilot]

usually itsa tank buster and done

unless its a big bleed or something

[ionic fern]

Or magic damage.

or a mix of them

Tons of scenarios on high enough keys.

Especially if you mess up yourself.

E.g managing rage poorly.

[surreal kindle]

Ah I'm asking more so for the bigger pulls

in M+

[ionic fern]

Well, in m+ it should be more or less predictable damage.

So if that happens you messed up.

But ya, panic recovery is:
IV or LS or Rallying Cry into a defensive.

And don't forget about HP bots.

[surreal kindle]

Okay, thank you!

[dry spear]

if you get to know a fight. you can predict the incoming dmg and pre press SW. lets say third temple boss or the tank beam on rasz, or mortal slam from brood.

[craggy pilot]

in big pulls you should stun specific casts so you dont get oneshot, save your Shield Wall for when your Avatar / Demo Shout runs out

[dry spear]

it is helpful to put a voice countdown on those abilities in your bossmode.

i always do this with different languages. so lets say, when the russian countdown comes i know that ability X is coming, when it is korean it is a different one. and so on.

[craggy pilot]

you likely cant do that with trash mobs in M+ though

[dry spear]

this is just learning by doing.

[blazing condor]

John Dewey was right all along

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

[lucid pasture]

I am vengeance

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhv_yFMuwxs "before i die alone, i will have vengeance"

[blazing condor]

it's the dude who among other things put forward the "learning by doing" theory in learning theories

[neon pewter]

Hey how is prot warr looking for season 2 for m+?

[slim dove]

its fine.

like always, if you have to ask that question, you aren't doing the keys where being a certain tank really matters. Play what you like/are good at.

[kind ivy]

aka, its garbage for high keys

[old sinew]

I mean

no?

[slim dove]

i fucking hate this, give a real response and not this reddit tier shit

[neon pewter]

I didnt push more than 20's this season but started late this season wnated to push 23's

[plush tendon]

Theres generally good balance between like 4 of the tanks

just Pal is a tier above and bear a tier below

[slim dove]

^

[plush tendon]

as of 4-28-2023

but its all speculation

so Prot War is in a healthy spot

[old sinew]

I don't know where every specific tank sits relative to one another in 10.1 and for most of the patch was above the rank 1 cut-off until I stopped playing. Cooked take to say "if you aren't completely tapped into every aspect of the game you're bad"

[slim dove]

thats a great way to interpret what i said.

[kind ivy]

nah, warriors cant dispel themselfs, that will be real garbage for high keys

[slim dove]

thanks for contributing.

[old sinew]

your take was shit

lol

[slim dove]

ok

[plush tendon]

if by high keys you mean like 25+.... then sure. But anything below that its how you play rather then what class you are

[kind ivy]

yh, i mean 25/26

[plush tendon]

yea, doesn't affect the vast majority of the playerbase

[olive bay]

I'm mostly going to be running with a Resto Shaman - when it comes to poisons, what do I do? Pop CDs and pray?

[plush tendon]

but a dorf!

rwar!

[slim dove]

have him run poison dispel totem..

have a dps with poison dispel

[olive bay]

That dispels a stack at a time

[plush tendon]

yea, ret can take it

monk can take it

[olive bay]

So, it's Ret, Boomie, Monk.. Anything else?

[slim dove]

this was changed months ago iirc

[olive bay]

Oh shit really?

[slim dove]

yes.

[olive bay]

Ahh, I didn't know that

[kind ivy]

yh, totem is real pog now

[olive bay]

I just remember at the beginning of the tier it was still just a single stack and not a full dispel

[slim dove]

yeah it was absolute garbage at the start of the tier

rsham as a whole really

now its turbo buffed like the entire spec

[kind ivy]

but again, if youll play prot warr in a 25+ then its all about your comp, you cant casually pug a 25 as a warrior

for me thats where it hurts

[plush tendon]

at that level, it should be expected that you start paying attention to spec/class/race choice

[kind ivy]

if you are a prot pally you wont need to tho

'cause a single spec will be the meta comp lol

[plush tendon]

I mean, thats been the case for tanks since like BFA; one tank just dominates

and if ya want to push that high... maybe consider playing prot paladin; but for most people, they can play what they like and get their weekly 20s, maybe push to 23-24 with no real issues, and get CE on their chosen spec before season ends

[olive bay]

BFA it was all about prot warrior

Everything else was fighting for 3rd

Sooo much haste

[plush tendon]

well it was Prot War in keys.... in raid not as much

I think it will be the same this tier; I dont think Prot Paladin is gonna wow the audience in raid, but its gonna be really good in keys

but its way too early to tell

[neon pewter]

it's really fun the prot warr spec

[plush tendon]

Prot War is great

[neon pewter]

plus they have the best dps spec fury

[plush tendon]

its in a good spot; wish we had a extra talent point or two, but thats about it

[olive bay]

I just find it hilarious that most of prot warrior is about maximizing your damage

[plush tendon]

well its the same way with a lot of tanks

maximizing damage tends to lead to also good CD and resource usage which leads to more tankiness

[hardy snow]

every spec/role is about maximizing damage, because PvE is about killing mobs

[olive bay]

Got my warrior to 70 on Tuesday and ran a bunch of keys last night. Even at ~370 running a 14 I only felt in danger once. I ran a +5 Temple at 353, my entire group died and I solo'd the last 20% at 353 item level

[hardy snow]

and damage is what kills them

[old sinew]

Living in raids is easy but you probably have some grey parsers in your raid so going more damage helps you prog. In M+ there’s an infinite scaling system and if you can live long enough then the bottleneck becomes damage. Also the truth is that it is simpler to reduce variables that are complicated especially when most players are looking for a plug and play solution - not all but most

[olive bay]

Yeah, that's true.

I haven't tanked since BWL in 2005. I have a lot to learn

Do dwarves get stuck in water and on rocks like gnomes do?

IE, is there any sort of disadvantage to being a shortie?

[plush tendon]

People sometimes cant see you

but if you press Avatar and Stoneform together, you become huuuuge!

[olive bay]

lol, mega dwarf?

[plush tendon]

but size doesnt matter

[olive bay]

I'm just thinking of dungeons like Plaguefall

[plush tendon]

its basically a excuse used by dps and healers for not paying attention when they get hit by a frontal

[olive bay]

Where if you were a gnome you couldn't run from platform to platform

[plush tendon]

it shouldnt matter in this upcoming dungeon pool

[proper roost]

How bad are Brackenhide/Halls going to be for non-pally tanks? Seems like having the poison/disease dispel is going to be kinda massive for pugging

[kind ivy]

yep, massive for pugging

if you will be puggin' your way into 22-23s then its gonna suck, as a warrior at least

[old sinew]

You know what’s based? We can use square marker again starting May 9 and not have it confuse ppl during thundering (although the blue square annoys me sometimes) 🟦

[old sinew]

Don’t you get mushrooms in halls? It’s on a side route but I’m not sure if we go that way on live

Bracken is obv a different beast tho especially with afflicted in the affix pool

[proper roost]

i'm just worried that it'll be kind of a nightmare to pug those dungeons as pwar

[plush tendon]

I cant tell you XD

havnt stepped into those dungeons since like week 1 XD

[proper roost]

would actually like to push to 3k in s2 on my main, but if bracken/halls are as bad as it seems, feels like playing rsham or ppal seems like the better play for it

[old sinew]

The bigger enemy isn’t going to be actual performance, it is going to be perceived performance and lack of invites. I know I quit pushing when pink tank started rising and I got bored waiting for invites

[proper roost]

ik it will be possible and fine, and 3k is not a huge goal, but yeah

yes, I mean, i'm worried about the perception thing for pugging in particular

Just having a second (or even only) disease dispel for bracken would make a massive difference

[olive bay]

My BFF is a rshaman so she'll heal most of my keys. I may wind up swapping to dark iron though just to make her life easier

[plush tendon]

normal dorf better

[kind ivy]

but dark iron is pog

a dorf made of lava bro, cmon

[fallow osprey]

I mean you get 4 other players in your party, poison dispels shouldn’t make you want to NOT tank on pwarr

[plush tendon]

bring a ret paladin 😄

but also be a Dwarf Warrior

or Dark Iron... but I prefer the Viking aesthetic of normal Dwarves over the Khazad Dum aesthetic of Dark Iron

plus, not having your racial DPS be tied to the poison dispell on use is nice

[proper roost]

4 other players but the only healers with disease dispel are like

Mw (lol) hpal (also lol), priest? Does evoker have a shorter cd disease dispel than caut

[plush tendon]

maybe the lack of poison dispell isnt a tank balance issue... but a healer balance issue

[old sinew]

…? The end result is that you don’t get an invite

So cute argument but doesn’t really help

[grizzled kite]

Explain?

[slim dove]

Community perception is at the point where you play ppal or you don't get invites.

[old sinew]

This tbh

[grizzled kite]

Not my experience

[slim dove]

Which tbf was my experience also pugging as pwar 21+

Switched to rdruid now everyone wants blue class

[old sinew]

My wait time to get invited to a 25 gone from 30 seconds 2 months ago to 30+ minutes

[grizzled kite]

[grizzled kite]

Maybe they just dont like you

[grizzled kite]

You can never win

[slim dove]

It's fine rdruid will get omega buffed to compensate for chilled clarity nerf

[grizzled kite]

But I think people forget that all classes and specs bring something to the table, and basing solely your tank choice on whether or not they have a poison dispel is probably a group I wouldn't want to be in either way

Community perception seems well "REGARDED" in terms of what and how to play. Dispelling should be a healer priority and not a tank one. Even better if you can off load that shit to some smooth brain DPS

[proper roost]

What

what level keys have you done to make such claims lmfao

If you were playing ppal you just wouldn't dispel or heal others because it's healer prio? Jfc

[old sinew]

[grizzled kite]

wHaTtTttTt

scroll up, get the context clues

[proper roost]

Just answer the key question

[grizzled kite]

23-24s

[proper roost]

that makes sense

[grizzled kite]

@proper roostye but you only got 400 hours in factorio

complete scrub

[old sinew]

[grizzled kite]

Contributing as always

[slim dove]

I missed the shit slinging

[strong forum]

It's the pwar nerfs that Twitter and twitch keep talking about

[slim dove]

Rdruid cord is way too nice

[strong forum]

Real shame for all those many many nerfs

That totally happened and aren't made up

[old sinew]

Doesn’t matter if they’re made up if ppl believe it and screws my q times up

Post-truth era

[strong forum]

Propaganda is a powerful tool

[old sinew]

Do you actually expect a genuine response to some of what you’ve said?

[grizzled kite]

Yeah or are you just here to shitpost?

[old sinew]

The pug community as a whole just suddenly it didn’t like me specifically anymore? At the same time ppal saw a rise in popularity? And you want a genuine response to that?

[grizzled kite]

No not that, that was a tongue in cheek comment.

[dusky canopy]

Landed one of them Guild master / Raid lead who knows literally more than anyone else in the game even the devs

So that’s been fun

[plush tendon]

the real strat.... dont pug

[dusky canopy]

“Warriors not viable, you have to play ppal if you want to be in roster”

LUL

[grizzled kite]

maybe the lack of poison dispell isnt a tank balance issue... but a healer balance issue
The original topic was whether or not a dispel on tank would be a huge difference in Brackenhide, and my point was that no and if pugs decide to pick tanks based off of one single thing then that's not a group I would wanna join anyway.

[old sinew]

Roster = raid? Imagine meta slaving raid content

[slim dove]

So leave lmao

That awful shit doesn't stop

[dusky canopy]

Bro for real LOL

My first attempt at getting into a mythic raiding group and I land this guy

[plush tendon]

I mean, nows the time to vibe check guilds

super important IMO

[grizzled kite]

I mean you'll run into plenty self-important self-righteous assholes in this game (especially)

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’ve been vibe checking running keys with him

He’s been dictating my route, pulling extra stuff randomly, ripping full blast aggro while I’m gathering and bitching

It’s been all downhill tbh

[old sinew]

Uhh

Cringe

Sounds like a total Andy

[dusky canopy]

Dude hard cringe

[old sinew]

What even is that guys IO?

[dusky canopy]

Apparently

2400 on all 13 classes

[old sinew]

[dusky canopy]

He “collaborated with top 50 guild masters” to know I can’t play warrior btw

Lmfao

[grizzled kite]

what does that even mean

[slim dove]

uh

[grizzled kite]

collaborated?

[slim dove]

Leave

Please

[dusky canopy]

Bro yeah he’s that guy

Lmao

[grizzled kite]

they all gathered in a circle to discuss you

[slim dove]

Dudes like this are bad for the game

[dusky canopy]

I thought you’d all enjoy that one so I shared

[slim dove]

Come raid with my dad guild

[grizzled kite]

did he explain what he meant by "top 50 guilds" and collaboration?

[slim dove]

We're all shit and laugh at our RL forgetting to change spec every raid night so he trolls as m+ spec

[old sinew]

CLEAR COMMS. CLEAR COMMS.

[dusky canopy]

Yo varughh if you’re serious and NA I’d be down what’s schedule? I’d fit right in I bet

90s kid and dad too

But yeah anyway dudes been clowning all week so far since I joined

It’s been hilarious honestly

I’m vibin with the other guildies then he joins and it’s like everyone goes silent

Hmmmmm

Wonder why

[grizzled kite]

just stay for the laughs if you aren't too serious about prog

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’m probably going to get the first week or two Prog out of em then I’ll dip

Kinda shit of me to do but like bro

[tropic tangle]

you gotta cut bait here, there is nowhere good this can go

[grizzled kite]

maybe he's sandbagging

its a test

[strong forum]

did he list anything or he just talking out of his ass

[grizzled kite]

see how far you can go with this

[slim dove]

Prolly wed/Thurs 8pm est/3 hours each night

Restructuring for s2 rn cuz a bunch of people quit

[dusky canopy]

Shoot alright I usually play nightly 8pm cst might be able to swing it past the wife to hop on early two nights

[slim dove]

Oh and yeah we're NA

[dusky canopy]

I’ll dm later if it’s possible for me

Appreciate it

[dusky canopy]

That’s kinda my thoughts too guy

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely talking out of his ass

[proper roost]

but yeah seeming like a rsham play for S2 pugging fucking brackenhide/halls

[dusky canopy]

No one has called him out since I’ve been around

Anyhow back to warrior shit posting

Warrior owns guys

Stand your ground

Imagine needing bubble

We just don’t need it that’s why we don’t have it

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-meme-gif-25333400

[proper roost]

Pwar is definitely fine, it's simply the pug perception which is some level of hell

[dusky canopy]

It really is man

[proper roost]

Many workarounds if you have a team or are just doing low keys

[dusky canopy]

Literally nothing but Rsham for example like you guys were saying earlier

[proper roost]

Maybe s3 will be better 🥲 pwar still has the most stops out of any tank iirc

[grizzled kite]

that's weird, exact thing I said

[proper roost]

yes, however

the scenario I am trying to play for is 1) pugging 2) not low keys

so what you said is wildly not relevant

🙂

[grizzled kite]

for you yeah I guess

[proper roost]

yeah indeed I am the one who asked about it

[grizzled kite]

but I was speaking in a more general sense e.g. pug groups that prio one tank class because of one reason doesn't make sense

which is what we agree on I guess

[dusky canopy]

Kanga you absolutely can do all 20s pugging

Hell you can pug like 3300 honestly

Just takes a lot more trial and error usually

[slim dove]

The mental required to pug past 3k

I simply cant

I'd rather wipe on mythic guldan again

[grizzled kite]

list your worst experiences in wow, be it raiding or keys

go

[old sinew]

Ya I stopped playing my bear at 3k and I’m probably done with my BDK when it hits 3k. 3k is like a nice round number you can get doing beer keys.

[proper roost]

all 20s is not 3k, it's like 2700 i think?

[tropic tangle]

muru wall in sunwell, our team was so inconsistent in P1 that we only saw like 2 clean P2, and on our best go my old shitbox computer crapped out and turned into a slideshow

[proper roost]

but yes, the question is not "is it possible to pug"

It's more like "am I going to be really bored for 2h every queue pugging"

If I enjoy multiple classes anyway, why not just play the one that is more meta so it pugs easier
warrior's MS is fury anyway

[grizzled kite]

pre-nerf M'uru?

[tropic tangle]

yeah

[old sinew]

22s are beer keys imo 🤷‍♂️

[grizzled kite]

that shit was hard, never got to him but I heard stories

[tropic tangle]

just a lot that could go wrong

especially when focus got tough on a long raid night

[proper roost]

IDD, but it's annoying having the nagging feeling in the back of your mind that you could do it much easier playing basically the same thing
made me quit legion the first time, tanking is giga annoying like that since they're mostly all so replaceable

[slim dove]

Can I do pvp?

[grizzled kite]

yes

((only as prot))

[slim dove]

S1 TBC, had rank 1 secured IN THE BAG, team leader and his GF got into a fight, she disbanded the team to get back at him for something

[grizzled kite]

[tropic tangle]

odamn, that's rough

[slim dove]

I've hated women ever since.

[grizzled kite]

still keep in touch?

[slim dove]

Jk jk.

With him? Naw he logged off forever after that

Said sorry over MSN and dipped for good

[grizzled kite]

I mean you could've gone for rank 1 S2 now that he didn't have a girlfriend

even more efficient

[sick sentinel]

the level beyond that is "shit in a bucket"

if you get up to take a shit, you lose time, and so then you loose rep and gold and loot

[old sinew]

Oh ya that’s why I stopped pushing in s4. Pushing M+ with no gavel felt pointless. I quit raiding in sls3.

[sick sentinel]

also wtf is IDD, I Don't Deny?

[old sinew]

In what context

[sick sentinel]

the only IDD i know of is IDDT and IDDQD

kangas post 1 screen up

[grizzled kite]

IDBEHOLDV

IDKFA

[old sinew]

It looks that way

I don’t disagree

[sick sentinel]

the real question is, does IDKFA stand for ID - kick fucking ass or keys full ammo?

i mean, they have the BFG, and i think most of us know what that stands for

[unkempt rover]

whats gear looking like next patch?

https://raider.io/characters/us/burning-blade/Kisswar

what do you think we'll be replacing gear wise, lariat is probably going eh

[shell mortar]

Indeed

[unkempt rover]

I'm assuming I'm also going to keep filial for a bit eh

[cinder nova]

Probably not.

[strong forum]

its barely worth using currently

especially the 418 version will be very quickly replaced

[unkempt rover]

should I wear 415 cos ring instead?

[strong forum]

yes

[unkempt rover]

😮

[strong forum]

the absorb is nothing fancy

[unkempt rover]

u right.

[strong forum]

matched with low haste and high mastery

not that sexy

lariat will also be replaced, atleast for raw dmg

[unkempt rover]

I wonder with what.

[strong forum]

roiling shadowflame embellish

they nerfed lariat by ~30% unless you have full sockets

but ontop of that they buffed dmg proc embellishs by alot

so for tanks, raw dmg procs are now stronger

[modern brook]

This embellish seems like the new lariat tbh

Basically everyone has it at or near the top

[old sinew]

considering how long tier is time-gated I'm just going to wait for it to come down in price

[strong forum]

if you clear heroic and normal both weeks

youll have 4pc by week 2

[old sinew]

I don't raid

[strong forum]

pug

[old sinew]

no

😆

[strong forum]

no beacon for you smh

[old sinew]

not pushing for rank 1 next season so I'm not really heartbroken about it 🤷‍♂️

maybe if Blizzard dangles mogs at like 3.2k or something I'd be sadge

[strong forum]

i wish they did

[old sinew]

bro can I just say... how does Blizzard see players in MDI using cloudsong glaive or MoP cms and not think "hmmm, we made really cool prestige gear that people value, maybe we should make more of this stuff?"

even just a recolor of WoD CM weapons, like a red cloudsong, for like a high M+ score would be lit

[strong forum]

yeah kinda wild

[old sinew]

how does it feel to come to WoW for a new player

and be told

all of the coolest stuff was added and removed more than half a decade ago

and there's nothing new to chase

people look backwards because there's nothing to look forwards to

[strong forum]

yup

[sick sentinel]

cool is always subjective

[strong forum]

well obv

but it doesnt help

that theres been no unique gear since legion

[old sinew]

I mean this is a take but just look at how often cloudsong glaives are used compared to how rare they are vs any other mog weapon in existence and how rare it is. It's pretty obvious that these are "objectively" well liked by metric of gauging their popularity

just make cool new stuff

that is chase mogs

[sick sentinel]

there are somethings that 100% of people would find cool, if you showed it to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb4-1G4Tc-I

example

[strong forum]

the only chase content wow offers is trivial stuff, or arbitrary world ranking

but no armor or weapons

[plush tendon]

Blizz needs to understand that the most important thing to the playerbase is having access to cool looking items and tmog

[pallid hare]

do we have a guide for which crafted hear & embellishments to target for next patch?

or do we still need to give it a few weeks and wait for sims & whatnot to be updated so we can compare ourselves?

[dusky canopy]

I mean if you think about it

Thunder fury was cool because you had it right

Sure it did a lot of damage

But you were just cool because you had it equipped standing on the AH mailbox

Lol

We need more of that In wow imo

Just cool shit that’s a challenge to get and you can show it off

Tbh it doesn’t necessarily need to be a “challenge” either

[proper roost]

3k+ being recolors of CM gear would be pretty cool, even if the people who have CM gear whine about it (me)

[dusky canopy]

It could be something that takes a long investment of time to get too

[proper roost]

like that is high enough that it would be really rare still

But also why they'd never do it since average wow player has their mind blown about getting ksm

[dusky canopy]

I would assume the only thing holding them back from doing something like that is 3k players for example are 1% or less of the population right.. and I think it’s safe to assume the largest portion of players that care the most about appearance probably don’t play at that level

I still think it’s a great idea don’t get me wrong just guessing at the thought processes

[scarlet mesa]

so this might sound stupid

but are we supposed to keep stuff like shield block and ignore pain up as much as possible?

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely

[plush tendon]

I liked the new thing where you got armor animations for hitting a certain IO score

[dusky canopy]

Well

[dusky canopy]

Block 100% ip only to prevent rage cap

[scarlet mesa]

ok, that makes a lot more sense

[plush tendon]

Effective block uptime should be as close to 100% as possible

[scarlet mesa]

I dont know if anyone has ever played ESO but, thats where I came from and tanked there

so this is Very different

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah not even remotely comparable

Wow in pretty much all cases has the superior combat

[proper roost]

people do like the prestige attached to that stuff, it's just also that the CM gear actually looked really good (mostly... looking at you shitty priest set)

like they'd mog it just for the prestige of having it

[scarlet mesa]

what do you mean you dont like spamming left click

[proper roost]

Think they are unironically afraid of people screeching about that unavailable gear being available again tho

[dusky canopy]

[scarlet mesa]

Unrelated, I think the CM sets should come back with the mop challenge modes just be rescaled for it

[dusky canopy]

Nah I prefer spamming 1 2 3

[scarlet mesa]

I own one

the best one, the paladin one

if someone puts the time in they should be able to get it

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-head-nod-head-nodding-head-nod-yes-gif-24603507

[daring marlin]

Just having new sets would suffice.

[scarlet mesa]

eso weapon swapping and buff gameplay just

ugh

when you get yelled at for taking tanking abilities so you dont die because you could be doing more damage

also for the record im leveling where 100% block uptime just isnt possible without certain talents

so ill get there

[proper roost]

Imagine having high quality prestige stuff for M+, the mode that most people play, instead of just another shitty recolor of a mount that already exists

Unthinkable

[plush tendon]

there should be a skin color of the raid set for M+

like they have for PVP

get 2.4k get the full set, get 3k and you unlock the weps or something

seems fair

[scarlet mesa]

they kind of do at 2.5k?

where you get the mythic effect on all colors

[plush tendon]

yea, but you get that with raiding

[scarlet mesa]

the 2500 reward?

or the mog

i got all my colors with m+

[plush tendon]

the 2500 reward

[scarlet mesa]

...Do you?

[plush tendon]

well I want a Mythic Plus only color scheme ya know

like PVP got the red and black version this season

why does M+ get the raid version!

we should be special to and get like.... a blue and gold version of the raid set and weapons to match!!!

as like just a flat tmog thing though (so catalyzed gear takes on the appearance of the raid set, but they award the TMOG color variation in our appearance tab at certain score intervals)

[modern brook]

the 2500 thing did nothing anyways

its not like its hard to color shift an already designed peice

like

if they can release the void enchantment and call it quality

They can color shift my teir set blue

[old sinew]

😱

[scarlet mesa]

it didnt do nothing, it added the lightning bolts

its okay

[plush tendon]

it could be better though

also, wtb more shield tmog options blizz

where my good looking shields huh?

[scarlet mesa]

youll use your prot artifact and like it

[plush tendon]

not a single good looking shield to match this set (which I love)

and dont get me started on the Mythic Antorrus set... the only shield that matches is the mage tower shield which you cant get anymore cause reasons

[sick sentinel]

dwarf with a horde icon on chest

[plush tendon]

luckily we snagged the Skovald shield from HoV (which is going away soon) which works perfect for Dwarf Heritage

[sick sentinel]

im prety sure thats dwarf, could be orc

[plush tendon]

my dwarf is in a horde guild

hello, its 10.1

get with the times

[sick sentinel]

times never change

the only thing man knows is war

[modern brook]

oh thanks for reminding me i have to race change my rogue

no more tooth pick arms for me 😄

[scarlet mesa]

rogue tauren time

[sick sentinel]

i do enjoy the peace for now, but it would be nice to go back to horde vs alliance expansion or 2 some point

[plush tendon]

Cant stand Tauren.... I tried to like em.... but no shoes and a tail was too much

[sick sentinel]

where its like extremely divided once again horde and alliance temporarily for year or 2 or3

[scarlet mesa]

yeah no thanks

them fighting after legion was already incredibly stupid

[plush tendon]

Im happy with where it is now; the faction divide made sense like.... 12 years ago

but modern wow should be all about accessibility and the least amount of fomo as possible imo

[sick sentinel]

well, the main thing i can think of is for next expnasion just take some famous bad ass character and put them on the box and thats the final boss of expansion

worked for TBC worked for wrath

entire expnasions all about arthas and illidan and people loved those 2 the most

[modern brook]

hard disagree

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't matter the story at all long as its decent story and okay graphics

[modern brook]

stop ruining characters from when the tory was good

and introduce new garbage characters for you to ruin

thats the future of wow

wow 2: Bjorn Babbatook's adventure

in whihc, of course, bjorn goes to the big castle of uhhh Gremula.

and gets caught

and its up to the adventurers or whtaver ot get him

alreadya better game

[plush tendon]

Thanks for making a story about me 😄

[modern brook]

Any time

[mighty valley]

TBC was disastrous for pretty much every boss character's story lmao

so much so that legion had to pull the most awkward retcon shit to give illidan some kind of sendoff

[sage ice]

Hey folks. I’m a bit confused about Intimidating Shout. I know the fear and disorient is broken by damage, but does it still work as an AOE interrupt? I’m working on improving how well I interrupt in M+ and having a few interrupts/stuns to cycle through would be big

[fresh igloo]

it does yes, that's the most useful part of it

[old sinew]

TBC was simultaneously so cool but also a lore abomination. I don’t mind Legiom retconning shit lore

[scarlet mesa]

this class has a lot of buttons doesnt it

[sage ice]

Awesome thank you for confirming

[unkempt hatch]

Less than brew does 🙈😂 and I feel like slightly less than Druid

I’d say on par with DK, and DH is the outlier with like 6 buttons max 😂🙈 jk jk

[scarlet mesa]

There's just a lot of buttons i want to have binded and not enough binds aaaa

[unkempt hatch]

Yeah you should try brewmaster out then. Lmao. I ran out of binds with Brew and had to get creative

Warrior doesn’t feel bad to me binds wise. I have a Razer Naga with 6 buttons for things plus my usual 1-5 and R-E-T etc

[proper roost]

yeah, I mean not really

play any healer and the number of binds on pwar is.. Decent but not high

[modern brook]

#protection message

[scarlet mesa]

I'll be alright

I will find de way

[outer thorn]

bind Shield Block to ctrl+F12, usher in a new keybind meta

[unkempt hatch]

😂🙈

Part of me wants to macro IP with Revenge😂

Why press 2 buttons when you can press 1?!

[outer thorn]

When im doing trivial content it feels like im playing Checkers when I charge > leap > charge > shield charge to gather up 4 packs

[white wind]

Hi everyone, getting back in protection spec. I kinda feel like thunder clap is broken with how useful it is. It generates rage, is aoe, keeps aggro, slows enemies and does the same amount of damage or more when compared to slam/whirlwind (I don't even have those on my bars). Or am I just missing something?

[fresh igloo]

slam/whirlwind (I don't even have those on my bars)
that's the correct move.

shield slam and thunderclap are our big rage generators, while revenge and ignore pain are the rage spenders.

i'm not sure why TC being good would make it "broken" though

[white wind]

I'm going to be honest, I kind of feel like I'm doing my rotation blindfolded while being proactive with defensive cd's and defensive stance. Not to be rude or anything but it feels kind of boring with how spammable this threat causing/rage generating/low cd ability is

[stuck peak]

nerf bat has came to paladins boys lol

[misty moss]

What date is the start of the new season? 5/9?

[stuck peak]

5/9 for season

5/2 patch

[daring marlin]

Where is that sword from?

[daring marlin]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

/s

[white wind]

It's from SL somewhere, not sure how it's acquired

Bar-Fusan's Hackblade

[plush tendon]

a revendreth mission table quest thing

[daring marlin]

Prot pally discord is so funny right now

straight

FOTM people ---> 🚪

[stuck peak]

yarp

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Pink Losers

[daring marlin]

Brown class supremacy

[dusky canopy]

Warrior reigns supreme per usual

[proper roost]

kinda funny because they still probably will be #1 or at worst 2, just for the dispel utility for s2 dungeon set

[daring marlin]

Nerfs were teeny.

[proper roost]

unless the brm damage blasts in

Gotta pray for the monk boys

[uneven mason]

TFW the class with 65% uptime on a CD that increase HP Dr and damage is gonna qq about only having 45% uptime now

Guess they'll just have to press one of their other 3 major CD like the 1m CD cheat death

[solar sandal]

are we able to transmog the hidden legion artifact appearance for prot? just got it but cant seem to make the transmog work lol

[crude notch]

Log out and back in

[solar sandal]

oh...

[uneven mason]

They put in a new rule that you can't use any shield xmog that cause clipping with your shoulders

So it's the wood buckler for us all

[crude notch]

I'll give you a wood buckler

[urban bane]

🫦

[strong forum]

No shot somebody said this unironically

This nerf does nothing

It's the same treatment we've gotten

But we received it 7 times

Just before launch

He should be happy that it's cautious nerfs

[daring marlin]

Dude was 100% serious and doubled down on it

lol

[strong forum]

Still far ahead cuz of toolkit especially with poisons and disease running rampant in s2

And it's find to be ahead

[urban bane]

yeah right i mean they still got their interrupts, they still got their sacs, still dispels they still got the potency of their offheal, just a little less tanky, damage, and cd uptime

[crude notch]

Monk meta lfg

[strong forum]

Monk is unironically looking good

But so is pwar vdh and bdk

[proper roost]

Yeah I meant 1 or 2 because the brm meta

is unironically a thing

As soon as they get tier

[strong forum]

Only shortcoming of those 3 is dispel, and dmg in bdks case

[crude notch]

Ya

[strong forum]

But aside from those things

5/6 tanks are eating good, bear is running rampant in the dmg department

[crude notch]

As long as you don't pick Bear you're looking good.

And even Bear will be better than S1

[strong forum]

Ofc

Bear just doubled their dmg

Lmao

[uneven mason]

Bear is fine for 99.9% of content

[strong forum]

Bear dmg will be disgustingly high

[uneven mason]

I had prayed for moving some damage off toi and fixing raze

Because having raze be a st loss feels bad

[strong forum]

With toi existing

Raze is just dead

[uneven mason]

Yeah

I just don't want toi to be the play

Because it's smoothbrain

[urban bane]

i was surprised that bdk didnt get any damage tuning. it just is weird

[uneven mason]

I've had to setup a hotkey wired to a light sensor and point a strobe at it to play toi

[uneven mason]

They're beyond immortal

It's ok for them to do less dps

[urban bane]

Nah

[strong forum]

Our brothers in rage, smoothbrain together 🤝

[strong forum]

+3%, best they can do

[uneven mason]

At least on warrior I have to press SB and my damage button is different than my defensive button

[strong forum]

I mean if you break it down

Pwar comes up real easy

Until you get to ignore pain

[uneven mason]

Druid is legit press mangle/thrash - pound toi

[proper roost]

BDK damage profile is just super clunky

[strong forum]

Once you get to ignore pain you have to do this

It's so funny

Everything else is just "use on CD"

[uneven mason]

IP the secret weapon

[strong forum]

Yup

[proper roost]

they made tuning blood damage a nightmare for themselves by making so much of it come from shattering bone

[strong forum]

And the fact that 99%of bdks play the build that does 0 dmg and doesn't help your survival either

[long elm]

Are we back to number 1 tank with pally getting nerfed?

[strong forum]

No

[uneven mason]

If I had more characters for the name, I'd be "IPisAoffensivespend"

[strong forum]

Not even close

[proper roost]

Imagine if the block thorns talent did 60% of your damage but only when you're inside your last thunderclap location

such a shitty playstyle

[strong forum]

S2 dungeons are very anti-pwar

In some regards

And very pro-paladin

[uneven mason]

I'd imagine BRM

[strong forum]

So even if they get worse numbers

The dungeon design favours them

[proper roost]

brm and pally will be really good, especially with afflicted

[uneven mason]

Would take the top spot if paladins dropped more

[strong forum]

Brew

[uneven mason]

Like even guardian

[proper roost]

being able to freely deal with afflicted is kinda sick

[rough solar]

What is toi?

[strong forum]

Thorns of iron

[craggy pilot]

how does the first week of the new patch work?

can we do m+?

[uneven mason]

Atwf and a cure

[strong forum]

Dmg based on how much armor you have

[uneven mason]

They misspelled doi

[strong forum]

But realistically speaking

[uneven mason]

Because that's how it feels to play toi

[urban bane]

joi?

[strong forum]

The #2 spot rn for m+ is tied for pwar/vdh/bdk/brew

Unironically

[uneven mason]

"you're either paladin or not"

[strong forum]

Everybody brings good shit to the table

[old sinew]

Yeah I recently experimented with dropping rune tap and realize it isn’t actually needed a lot of the time. Why spend a rune to live a mechanic when you could just have s ton more RO and death strike before the mechanic for an absorb shield

[strong forum]

Bdk is livegod
Pwar is well pwar
Vdh is disgusting aoe machine and 100%brand uptime
Brew is brew + more dmg

[urban bane]

vdh tier seems pretty fun

[strong forum]

It's op

Like legit bdk s3 SL op

But most people don't know how and why yet

[craggy pilot]

is there a list of all the updated Tier sets anywhere?

[strong forum]

Wowhead probably

[urban bane]

In raid fights they'll have a LOT of uptime on FB it'll be crazy

[strong forum]

Somewhere

[crude notch]

Hope you have your lunchbox ready

[proper roost]

kinda feel like pwar is a little underestimated and/or it's somewhat dependent on knowing how valuable having a bunch of extra stops are in s2

[strong forum]

Everywhere

[urban bane]

oh no for sure, but they dont have to deal with spreading even

[proper roost]

having 2 short cd aoe stops and 2 st stuns is pretty good tbh esp for carrying pugs

[uneven mason]

If I wanted to play bdk where should I get my build, because I think I'm running a homebrew (because I hardly touch the dk)

[strong forum]

We do bring more aoe stops than your average tank, but our niche won't be as relevant as other tanks have gained alot of things

[strong forum]

The sc stun is uh... Never utilised

[craggy pilot]

nothing worth writing home about for Spell Reflect in S2?

[solid crest]

anyone know if there's going to be new wep enchants in 10.1?

[strong forum]

No

[strong forum]

Not afaik

[uneven mason]

I'll occasionally change primary target to slap a caster with it, if it happens to come off a cd

[strong forum]

Can only think of some mobs in Neltharus

[proper roost]

Yeh SC stun is almost never used as a stun, but still

[strong forum]

If it happens to lien up yeah, I've done that too

But that's very rng

[craggy pilot]

sad

[strong forum]

Wouldn't use it as a point to argue for pwar

But it can be played around obv

But that's too much for mere mortals

[proper roost]

Actually, was a bit curious about vortex pinnacle because I remember having this issue during cata - do the grounding fields still prevent spell interrupts/deathgrips from going through

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how M+ works first week?

does m0 drop higher ilvl for next season?

[proper roost]

because that specifically was a really nice bonus to phys kicks

[strong forum]

Theres no downtime

You have next week of 10.1 but still s1

[craggy pilot]

oh ok

[strong forum]

Then may 9th/10th it's full go s2

[strong forum]

Time will tell

Can't say much more

Haven't given enough shits myself to test m+

[misty moss]

Think VDH moved up a bit in the viability scale.

[strong forum]

Very much so yes

[craggy pilot]

we had an ilvl drop limit in S1 didnt we?

or something

i cant remember

[strong forum]

No

[proper roost]

@old sinew have you done ptr VP by any chance?

[craggy pilot]

wasnt there a week where +10 was highest?

[crude notch]

Drop limit is gone now that everything releases

[old sinew]

I have like every week except this week

[strong forum]

Only in legion -> SL, but in DF all season are uncapped

According to Andy, m+ is a shit show rn

[proper roost]

was just wondering about this

[crude notch]

Everything releases same time no more restrictions

[old sinew]

Didn’t even know they had ptr testing up this week

[craggy pilot]

xD

yay

[crude notch]

The dungeon variance is uhhh something

[proper roost]

Not familiar with all the VP changes

[old sinew]

The grounding fields do you can’t tank in the grounding field

[craggy pilot]

can i still get KSH next week?

[old sinew]

Not that you want to

[strong forum]

Portals yes, score no

[old sinew]

Ministers of air can overload the grounding field killing everyone inside if you linger too long

[proper roost]

ye but dragging the mobs out on a DK was pain because the grounding field grounded my mind freeze LOL

that was like a giga distinct memory

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, have the portals on my Warr already, just wanted to see if i can get 2500 on a few more alts 🤣

[old sinew]

Nothing has a kickable cast on pull anymore tho

[strong forum]

Idk what that would change on alts

[proper roost]

Ahh ok

thats major

[uneven mason]

Warrior throw, warrior leap around corner

[strong forum]

Well you can get score, but idk if you can still get the meta achievement for 2.5k

It's Post-season score however

[craggy pilot]

ah ye so it counts diff on r.io

[strong forum]

Ye

But you can still get CE

[craggy pilot]

and its the new affixes?

[strong forum]

No

New affixes is with s2 launch

Aka 9th/10th

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

[modern brook]

IDT ingame shit cares about post season etc

I tihnk you'll still be good up to the release of season 2

[craggy pilot]

so its just a weird middleground where all we have to do is a high key to get a key for start of S2

[modern brook]

its a nothing week yeah

do the stupid dogshit world content you have to do to play the game you pay per month for

[craggy pilot]

😄

the knowledge point quests

but we have to do a weekly to get a high key for S2 start right?

like a +20 gives a +10 key

and +25 gives +15 key?

[modern brook]

i belive ion said it was -10 going into s2

[crude notch]

Bull always with the rage

[craggy pilot]

yea thats what i read as well

but idk how much it helps to start with a +10 key anyway 😄

its just a few ++

[modern brook]

yeah its just gunna save grinding

[craggy pilot]

and how the fk do i know who to invite in my +10 pug

[modern brook]

I expect low 20s to be doable but high teens proably will be rough to get much more than +1-2 on

[modern brook]

io should carry over until your s2 score > s1

[craggy pilot]

so start at +10 and push all the way to +20 week 1

sounds rough

[modern brook]

yah idk ion said he wanted to like "restart progression"

[craggy pilot]

yea

idk should probably just give everyone +2 keys 😄

[strong forum]

Oh yeah, start of s2 keys are gonna be a mess

Cuz everybody is a wildcard

[craggy pilot]

we just go straight in with 5 Prot Pala

why not

[dusky canopy]

Give it like 3 weeks

Everybody will know what the optimal comp is per usual

[modern brook]

havent u heard paladin nerfed its bin class now

[dusky canopy]

I’m down!

[craggy pilot]

i feel like "optimal comp" has been way less a thing in S1

[dusky canopy]

Bring back 30 tank raids

[craggy pilot]

in DF it was like every single dung had a rogue

every time

[calm moat]

80 second wings vs 60 second wings they’re in shambles

[craggy pilot]

rogue mage

[uneven mason]

You could probably do that with guardians

[modern brook]

SL?

[dusky canopy]

No it’s 60 second wings down to 50

[craggy pilot]

SL i mean ofc ye 😄

[modern brook]

still true in df tbh lol

[dusky canopy]

They’re fine

[craggy pilot]

i havent had rogues in my keys for ages

they were good for like the first couple of weeks

but so few dungeons need Shroud

[modern brook]

they're still fine tbh

but yeah

[dusky canopy]

You guys are missing out on the rogues man

[craggy pilot]

the value from shroud is way less in DF than SL

[modern brook]

they have a really deep utility kit thats just not very valuable in s1 dungeons

[dusky canopy]

Sub freakin owns

[urban bane]

i miss maining rogue

[zenith sky]

Last boss Neltharions Lair, prevents disorient in BHH first boss.

[modern brook]

subs like arcane dude

if its the best, people dont play rogue lol

[uneven mason]

There's no skips

[modern brook]

honestly if its not outlaw ppl look for excuses to not play rogue

[uneven mason]

For rogues to abuse group stealth

[dusky canopy]

THATS IT I for the life of me could not figure out why I recognized your name, it’s prob from rogue discord yeah?

[urban bane]

yeah haha

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[craggy pilot]

yea all S1 dungs were just W

[modern brook]

👋

[dusky canopy]

Welcome to the chad circle

[modern brook]

They were like actively changed to discourage shroud skips

the mini spiders all have true sight in SMBG

like

[craggy pilot]

lol

[dusky canopy]

Honestly such a dumb thing too literally remove true sight imo

Why give a class utility that doesn’t work

So dumb imo

[uneven mason]

Entry area of cos all the robots see stealth

[modern brook]

yeah they like

really wanted to avoid that

[craggy pilot]

also they removed the skip from Worms in SMBG

[modern brook]

which i get

but like also

just take invis pots off combat potion cd

and suddenly you have the same thing

and people actually know invis pots exist cause rogue sucked ass for 2 seasons in SL

[uneven mason]

I'll be honest the level of bullshitbextra skips and invisvpots creates another barrier to entry and just makes m+ insanely hard to get into

Like - challenging but fun doing the content

[modern brook]

I can see that

[craggy pilot]

yea some of the skips in SL were weird as fk

[echo scarab]

I actually enjoy those tricks and niches tbh

[craggy pilot]

if you fucked up your stealth pot early, you dead

[modern brook]

^

its rough cause like

[craggy pilot]

and if you skip and wipe, you fucked

[dusky canopy]

I mean tbf you should familiarize yourself with optimal routing if you are interested in doing higher keys right?

[daring marlin]

near the end of the season

[modern brook]

on the one hand routing is very inherently a skill in m+

[dusky canopy]

Like you don’t skip in 11s you just kill it because it fast enough less risk

[uneven mason]

Not challenging because you have to have fore knowledge of fancy skips and when to use external consumables

[daring marlin]

people still pop defensives on devastator of third boss in AV

[modern brook]

and allowing expression / comp impact there is a good thing

[daring marlin]

like bruh

[dusky canopy]

But you do skip in 20s +

[modern brook]

and on the other people are absolute lemmings who cant think for themselves

[craggy pilot]

yea people were skipping in 15s in SL 😄

[modern brook]

so things become needed

yeah

lol

like bro just hit them

Just go

[uneven mason]

That's not playing the dungeon that's playing the "oops I didn't realize I needed 6 additional things from the ah"

[craggy pilot]

yea

[daring marlin]

Need more skips like halls of atonement

I.E. is your dps high enough to burst this dickhead down?

no? fuck you LOL

"skip"

[modern brook]

I bet warlock still has all its stupid portal skip garbage

[dusky canopy]

I typically welcome more sandbox style m+

The more they restrict the less fun we get to have

[modern brook]

they may be too busy figuring out ways to scam PIs to actually document them tho

[dusky canopy]

In theory

[craggy pilot]

so the only gearing we can do next week, is farm Rares in the new zone, like we did before S1?

[modern brook]

iunno from experience i felt that the "cool gimmicks" for keys this season moved very much away from pathing/routing and very much into manipulating ai and mob casts

[uneven mason]

UR

[modern brook]

a la wolves

[modern brook]

which im not a fan of personally but its kinda just a thing to talk about for the sake of it

[strong forum]

I miss when pwar was 2nd best PI target

[dusky canopy]

Like hyrja invert

[modern brook]

yeah

[daring marlin]

I think it's funny that we're fifth best for WF totem.

[modern brook]

they're also all apparently in HoV

[dusky canopy]

I like the gimmick

[daring marlin]

stupid warrior mechanics!

[strong forum]

It makes perfect sense

[uneven mason]

My largest issue with skips, was even scrubs in +5s watched the fucking MDI and now expected everyone to do them and second, they started tuning timers around them

[strong forum]

Also we not only gain dmg but also defensively get stronger

So it's even better

[daring marlin]

yeah lol

Shame enh is so good but people don't seem to play it much?

[dusky canopy]

Makes you stand out more as a player with knowledge the average player wouldn’t necessarily have

[daring marlin]

Is it just annoying to play?

[modern brook]

I think SMBG proves they dont tune timers around anything

its just a guestimate

[daring marlin]

sbg is just a trash dungeon

hate that place

[modern brook]

true and real

but its timer shoulda been cut by like

[uneven mason]

Has more buttons than brewmaster

[strong forum]

Enha is super popular I thought

[modern brook]

5 minutes 6 months ago

[dusky canopy]

Glad to see it go

[daring marlin]

When pugging 23s I barely see them!

[uneven mason]

Smbg was the free weekly 20

[dusky canopy]

Enh is super popular in my experience

Always have them listing in lfg

[daring marlin]

Like a wall of pinkmen

[uneven mason]

Enhancement is also squish af

[daring marlin]

I see more DPS warriors than enh shamans

[dusky canopy]

Also true

Tbf enh seems like it kinda fell off in popularity once ret took off

All you see is the pink man like you said

[uneven mason]

Feral and enhancement suffer from not being plate melee and not having the CDs that rogues do

[urban bane]

wft

[strong forum]

World first trader

[dusky canopy]

I will literally invite wft provider for my own benefit not theirs

Wait you don’t?

[modern brook]

I stopped after I learned the m+ build doesn't take wft

[dusky canopy]

True

[craggy pilot]

from playing a lot of Enha in S1, WFT is fucking horrible to put

feels so bad to have to use a GCD for it all the time

[urban bane]

yeah i kept trying tp pressure my enh friend to still take it. he just eventually jumped to ret paladin

[craggy pilot]

with Ret Pala you gain Ret Aura tho 😄

[urban bane]

Ret aura is nice!

But i do enjoy wft more

[craggy pilot]

yea its sad WFT is the way it is

theres just not rly any talents to drop for it in M+

[dusky canopy]

Here I was competing with the enh buddy in raid as prot and he goes “I’ve decided I’m going to stop putting out wft whenever I see you start pulling ahead” LOL

[urban bane]

[craggy pilot]

lol hes doing less than Prot DPS as enha?

what a guy

[dusky canopy]

Yes my irl buddies are not as into the game as I am but they still enjoy it

[craggy pilot]

unless hes 20 ilvl behind or something

[dusky canopy]

No no it’s like skill gap but it’s cool

Just normal Andy slappin and beers

[crude notch]

I love WH comments

[craggy pilot]

Prot Pala was as OP as warr for the entire S1 😄

[daring marlin]

I think the dumbest thing about that is exactly what Nielsen said.

lol

AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE GREAT

Now if they nerfed the DR portion of sentinel that'd be a decent hit but they hit the fucking hp

who gives a fuck

? ? ?

[dusky canopy]

These people simply don’t pay attention at all because protadin has been the way it is the entire season it got slightly better with the mid patch

[strong forum]

That's what people forget about

They thought pally was only good after 10.0.7

[daring marlin]

as the sleeper pally mains(like kiea) were already top rated

kekw

[strong forum]

I told Andy in December that he made the right choice to roll pally

But he himself wasn't sure if pally can live ultra keys

So he swapped back to pally rather late

[daring marlin]

sentinel so good

[dusky canopy]

The class just has so much living capability

It’s wild

[mighty valley]

community cannot parse that power and representation are not the exact same thing

[daring marlin]

A more impactful nerf would've been to make golden valk 2 min cd

and not 45s

[mighty valley]

warrior wasn't overpowered it was just overrepresented

[craggy pilot]

that shit is so broken 😄

[strong forum]

Warrior is still super strong

[craggy pilot]

it saves me so often hahahaha

[daring marlin]

It SHOULD save you every single pull

45s cd bro

[strong forum]

But it just doesn't have sac wog bop interrupt

[daring marlin]

like use it lol

[strong forum]

And doesn't have perma magic block

[craggy pilot]

yea soometimes im just intentionally letting it proc just to put it on CD 🤣

[dusky canopy]

Literally what nom said

[daring marlin]

it extends goak too

[modern brook]

warrior was to tanks at the start of the season as ret is to damage now

[daring marlin]

and goak extends it

like LOL

[modern brook]

like very clearly above the rest but not eclipsing them

[daring marlin]

Ret just feels so good and generally has CDs for every single pack

[modern brook]

after like the 2nd nerf i think warrior was basically fine

[daring marlin]

love it

[modern brook]

I hate that ret is good 😠

[craggy pilot]

its gonna be pink season

[dusky canopy]

Rets threat has been totally fucked lately anybody else feeling that?

[craggy pilot]

but at least Holy Pala is still dogshit 🤣

[mighty valley]

yeah, i mean, overpowered is relative - i don't think even at the start that we were really that far ahead of prot pala, but we do kinda clear the lowest tanks by a reasonable margin

[dusky canopy]

Errr maybe cause I’ve been on an alt pally tbf

[uneven mason]

We literally had people notice how little damage we took and they lowered the skill floor into the dirt with hr

[modern brook]

i mean thats like not new

[strong forum]

It's not new, but it's new to the fotm rollers

[modern brook]

the biggest W prot warrior got was not having to make macro decisions, like all the previously-competing talents it wants are geta ble, all the legendary affects are getable

[uneven mason]

Like warriors weren't much stronger than normal for the spec, we were just braindead easy to maintain that level of tankyness for once

[strong forum]

That's why it was so hype for them

[modern brook]

and the the 2nd biggest W is that when my team ignores kicks for 12 minutes, they die not me

[strong forum]

They dumbed it down, gave us 10% leech and spellblok

That's literally it

That's all that changed

Which tbf isn't very little

[modern brook]

oh yeah i always forget about the leech tbh

[strong forum]

But it's less than people gave it credit

[dusky canopy]

Leech gang even before it was talents

[mighty valley]

IV is a much better emergency button than it used to be for all these new warriors

and we get it for free

[strong forum]

Pah

[uneven mason]

"warriors op, their HP don't move!!!!"

me checking my 95% DR on tankbusters in SL, kay?

[strong forum]

Most don't even use IV

They legit forget about it

I've seen so many stream of pwars eating shit

And they just don't press IV

And scream for heals

[craggy pilot]

idk if im just undergeared, but i still feel quite squishy at times in Pala

but i have yet to die 😄

like i can always just bounce my hp back up easily

WOG or Bubble or Lay

[strong forum]

Pally is harder than pwar

[mighty valley]

hmm, i guess it's all anecdotal, but i saw so many people say pwarr was bad in SL s3+ because "no self heal"

[strong forum]

But it has better safety nets

[craggy pilot]

yea, and i likely play it as i was a Prot Warr

[mighty valley]

which means "i didn't have block up/ate a tankbuster and couldn't auto-save myself"

[daring marlin]

To play optimally for sure

[craggy pilot]

just trying to keep up my Shield of Righteous

[mighty valley]

and those same people think IV is their savior, but in any case

small potatoes

[daring marlin]

Focus kicks n shit

[modern brook]

I mean

[dusky canopy]

Idk man I feel like it’s pretty straight forward

[daring marlin]

I love it

[dusky canopy]

Stand in your circle