protection

[iron wadi]

hi

im the bad tank

from timewalking

nice to meet y'all

my buddy is still super annoyed we didn't get a taun'ka subrace too

[scarlet mesa]

LMAO

[iron wadi]

let me play the bison

[scarlet mesa]

No need to be so hard on yourself

Being here is the first step to improving

[iron wadi]

self deprecating humor

[scarlet mesa]

I don't play warrior at all or tank but i thought it would be helpful for you

I talk on the dk discord all the time, my main, in order to improve and learn more

We'll get you to tank mythic+ here eventually

[iron wadi]

eyyy

thats the plan

if i remember to actually use my mitigates i wont die as much

its wild how that works

[scarlet mesa]

Pressing buttons certainly helps

[iron wadi]

i dont think i remembered to cast shield wall once

its been. a long day

[scarlet mesa]

It's 5 am here

[iron wadi]

2 here

[scarlet mesa]

I fell asleep from 4 pm to 1 am so I'm fucked

[iron wadi]

🇫

[scarlet mesa]

But they spoke in terms i don't know so go ahead and ask

Also

Can we enchant your gear

It hurts me

[iron wadi]

please

i dont know any enchanters

[scarlet mesa]

You can buy it off the ah

[iron wadi]

I CAN WHAT

okay so thats first thing next log on

[scarlet mesa]

Yes only certain things need the crafters consortium

Anything needing sparks of ingenuity or primal chaos

Or artisans mettle

Enchants need none of that

[iron wadi]

should i even bother with a embellished gear piece?

[scarlet mesa]

You should be running embellishments yes

[iron wadi]

ive never really interacted with the crafting community

[halcyon horizon]

This is such a terrible take I have to mute protection channel

[iron wadi]

"new players" server problems

[scarlet mesa]

Well you are on a dead server it sounded like

[iron wadi]

oh yeah durotan is

dead

[scarlet mesa]

This is a joke

[scarlet mesa]

New player realms are dead

Not worth

Come to thrall

[iron wadi]

i might

ive been thinking about buying a swap ngl

but i play on this server cause it's where my buddy has played since vanilla

[scarlet mesa]

He should accept his server is dead tbh

[iron wadi]

he has, but he doesnt want to abandon it, we have discussed moving to a diff server so we can do guild stuff easier

[scarlet mesa]

My guild is open like i said

[scarlet mesa]

#268491842637660160 for sure though, but for embellishments you might want to wait until next patch?

I know things are changing heavily

[sweet summit]

new sparks so doesn't really matter

[scarlet mesa]

Yeah, but stuff like lariat won't be as good so it isn't what you should grab immediately, that sort of thing

[iron wadi]

wait are my sparks of ingenuity going to go whoosh?

[scarlet mesa]

There's a new spark that lets you take it to even higher item levels, we are going higher up for the next season

[iron wadi]

oh, neat!

im trying to make sure i have everything at at least 395 before the new season, im pretty close already

[scarlet mesa]

Yeah idk any of the new embellishments

[sweet summit]

don't have to
mwahi and nome will tell us what to do 😎

[scarlet mesa]

Frost fire belt seems to be good on plate

Ignore me the dk and pally player lurking in the warrior disc

[strong forum]

dk wants anything that does dmg by itself instead of buffing dk cuz your base dmg is so whack

kinda sad

[scarlet mesa]

I'm dps, so anything you tanks want is beyond me, though I'll likely try prot warrior

[jagged pier]

We want damage if im the most threatering person i should be doing the most damage

Mop had it right

[sweet summit]

👨‍🦳

[mortal brook]

For the like 2 gimmick fights where tanks were ahead.

[brittle owl]

why's your T fucked up steve

[scarlet mesa]

Wait what the hell Steve is here

Are you cheating on your bear

[hardy snow]

its not a "spark", items that increase ilvl of crafted gear are crests in s2 and in s1 it were primal infusions, spark is major reagent in recipe of crafted gear thats required to any first craft of a gear piece

[neon kindle]

Morning all. Is it a MUST to use the dungeon tools addon? It’s hard for me to figure out and slows me down a bit. I haven’t used it much but just wanted to know if it’s a must have.

[strong forum]

if you plan on optimising your route in keys and want to push higher yeah its pretty much must have, for your normal weekly key gaming its absolutely unnecessary

holding W killing what shit is in your path and going by memory is PLENTY for vault keys

[hardy snow]

no addon is a "must have", they are all optional

[sweet summit]

weak auras

[lime urchin]

Running shoes aren’t a must have to run a marathon but it sure as hell makes your life easier

[strong forum]

you can buy expensive running shoes but if you dont know how to run theyre pretty much wasted

[sick sentinel]

its one of those things where it simply helps you plan out the route, double check mob count and abilities

and then you save the route and you try to save it to a human brain format and run the routes that run the best for you

its still on you to remember all of that shit, then go in and keep your team alive while doing route and mechanics,

[old sinew]

This is a bad analogy because from a physical/mechanical point of view sone of the new running shoes are so powerful it’s brought into question if using them is cheating - they are must haves to the point where athletes signed with competing brands would buy the competitors shoes and scratch off the logo. You had to wear those shoes or you were objectively inferior it wasn’t quality of life

Or maybe it is a good analogy if you think add ons are that potent?

[strong forum]

the only time addons were that potent were on bosses with absolute cancer design like jailer bombs and the famous archimonde weakaura

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure nobody shows up to a foot race with literal socks or less

like, i know we like to exagurate n shit here, but even thats an extremely low floor (no pun intended)

[ionic roost]

Early lihuvim was nice for quick look group substitution, arguably the paired bomb timers for halondrus, sylvanas arrow/bomb order, Fatescribe ring map/assignment. And all the generic left/right drop off mechanic Weakauras are all pretty high impact weakaura/add-on things that are overlooked cause they're not flashy

[strong forum]

Fatescribe ring one wasnt that necessary at all it just shortcut a few words, bomb timer is just a diff way to display the graphic of the bomb, arrow/bomb order on sylv okay makes it alot easier to coordinate cuz you don't have alot of time

[sick sentinel]

my personal opinion, is if blizzard added DBM lite, mdt lite, and WA liteto base of the game

99.9999% of probems instantly gone

[strong forum]

Drop-off weakauras is just noticing that you have a debuff

They make it's easier, don't deny it

[sick sentinel]

all combat dungeon raid problems and a ton more lag problems and shit all gone

cuz they don't gotta fuck around with 17 different addons

and then its actually support by blizzard and we can fix this

[strong forum]

But I'd not go as far and say that they're anywhere near the stupidity of jailer bombs or archimonde

Having a 6sec window to coordinste 6 people to jump down different holes is just not okay

[pallid quiver]

just simply all be warriors and have leap, ezpz

[strong forum]

100% a mechanic that was designed purely against/with addons in mind

[sick sentinel]

there is no possible LFR that is a worse experience than uldir, i'll say that much

[strong forum]

Nzoth was pretty hard on lfr

[sick sentinel]

the entire raid tier on LFR was a a complete cluster fuck, every single boss

[ionic roost]

I you just go to a hole

[pallid quiver]

N'zoth on LFR, for what little I got to touch it, was probably the 2nd hardest LFR boss I can recall

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that raid was hard too on LFR

[ionic roost]

Like it just made it easier

[strong forum]

Yeah... And then you suddenly had 2 people jump into the same hole and die

[pallid quiver]

hardest being Garalon, LFR destroyer

[sick sentinel]

thing is, it seemed like there was tons of people getting on to do whatever you call that raid 8.3

[strong forum]

And if its a caster they can't react fast enough to jump down another hole where not somebody else is planning to go already

Can't tell me that "just go down hole" is easy to coordinate on the fly on mythic

[ionic roost]

Idk, the jailer thing is like a bit better than some other shit, but like you dismissed everything I said just cause you were like oh it only saves a second

And that's all the jailer thing did

[sick sentinel]

halondrous was an extremely effective at timmy pugger destroyer

[strong forum]

There's a massive difference between having 30sec on fatescribe and 6sec on jailer

To do essentially the same thing

Halondrus was just juggling between 2 people infinitely

Atleast later on

[ionic roost]

You clearly didn't understand what I meant for Fatescribe, and it was less than 30 seconds

It assigned the minimum amount of people plus location

[strong forum]

Yeah and people waited until the last second to finish it

They literally afk'd

[ionic roost]

You had like a 8? Ish second window prenerf to get across the room

[sick sentinel]

nah man i still remember uldir being way more pug unfriendly chain wipe to tons of shit on all the bosses and trash

[ionic roost]

Imagine judging based off post nerf

[sick sentinel]

uldir was rough

[strong forum]

Yeah let's judge a raid based on what 5-10 guilds fought the boss on

Real relevant

[sick sentinel]

it was FUN and the loot was good, we had so many fights about loot in there

uldir and EP was last time i truly had immense fun and joy from raiding

[ionic roost]

The timer extension didn't happen until like world 200 but okay

[strong forum]

Pre-nerf raids are an almost entirely different game

[sick sentinel]

i fucking loved EP but its also because of how things were then too

[strong forum]

EP was dogwater

[sick sentinel]

no way, i thought it was amazing

i didnt much enjoy the final 2 bosses

[strong forum]

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

they were just scary to fight, is all it was, it was still exciting to me

[strong forum]

The only people that liked EP were boomkins

[sick sentinel]

after that i lost interest in killing raid boss, i tried so very hard on hunter week 1

stayed up like, 14 15 hours in some normal group

we got to nzoth, and we were sitting there looking for some dude to come for like, 5 hours

and i lost all hope, time rapidly expand before me and i give up right then and there

i had no problem at all attempting to kill it or learn how it worked but i there was no way that after already im awake and alert for 10 hours i have to wait another X hours for event to even start

[strong forum]

Once Personal responsibility exists on bosses it increases in difficulty by several magnitudes

[sick sentinel]

i don't know the solution to it too, but people avoid lockouts like the fucking plague

[strong forum]

Solution is just having better players that can think and react by themselves

[sick sentinel]

if i had killed nzoth soon after or that night, i'd probably still be big into raiding

[hardy snow]

Ive done it once, and it was too much

[sick sentinel]

i mean like, yeah, i get that an end cap boss thats a literal old god, should PROBABLY kill me

but it was an ego blow

[strong forum]

I got lucky with my 1 run, killed it in like 3 pulls but still a nightmare, heroic legit 20x easier

Especially once you did the 30 tank runs, easiest curve in the games history

Just queue up as 30 tanks with everybody having td3-7

Do 0 mechanics

GG here's your free loot

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lVJtzp0d4

[old sinew]

mdt lite would have so much value I don't know why that doesn't exist

[hardy snow]

on my second try Ive joined group that already had 4-5 stacks, after reaching 10 and still wipes Ive left

meanwhile heroic with my causal then guild - no problem

[hardy snow]

ahh good old laser go brrr 😄

[hazy bronze]

I think it was Naga water

[round pendant]

Yo I know this is it literally the worst place to ask but I can't be bothered finding the real place to ask

is the annulet good for udk?

[slim dove]

probably not

probably

go ask archerus

[plush tendon]

no, you want mastery over the proc

[round pendant]

Yeah it's just my friend is coming back to un-rust just before s2 and I didn't know if I should tell him to get the ring or not

ty ty

[plush tendon]

The ring is worth getting (current tier getting heavy mastery rings is hard AF, so it has value)

its super EZ to farm one up; just running around killing rares for like 20 minutes and doing the vault

but its a nice item level bump, especially if they dont have big mastery rings yet like a Mythic Brood ring

[round pendant]

yeah plus I imagine it's like, the worse you are the better it is

since it's just free braindead damage

[plush tendon]

pretty much; there are some nice mastery rings in the dungeons next tier

but, ya know, might as well get the ring while its current and pretty free

just in case

[daring marlin]

Mostly as an ilvl bump anyway

[modern brook]

jewlery ilvl chortle

[daring marlin]

you would chortle

fat

[plush tendon]

I like having a phat I level

makes me feel good seeing number go up

its like getting a new mount; ill never use it, but it makes number go up

[old sinew]

Hard coping that swap rings later in the season. Morgan Day seemed to subtly hint that 10.1.5 would bring gear that would excite mythic raiders / M+ players, brought up in the context of whether they would or wouldn’t need annulet

[plush tendon]

I still maintain that the Onyx Ring shouldve had secondaries on it

or like, half secondaries

[old sinew]

So my assumption is something like bit bands from the new mega dungeon and if they’re not good enough Blizzard nerfs annulet to make them appealing

[plush tendon]

[old sinew]

Could be wrong tho

[daring marlin]

That'd be neat.

[old sinew]

I feel like even if “bit band 2.0” is good enough for dps I have a hard time seeing tanks swap over unless the proc is a proc and not stats

[modern brook]

im very surprised they went with "sweeping 50-80% buffs" and not "just give the stones secondaries"

[plush tendon]

ima be tilted if a couple of weeks into S2, Eggnog ring and Onyx ring are my BiS

[modern brook]

why tho

i dont get that

[plush tendon]

cause its last season fashion

[modern brook]

2 bis slots for free owns

[old sinew]

As a tank? I feel like there’s a strong chance they still are

Also I thought we were on the “we hate borrowed power we want our progression in a patch to matter” train

We being the collective masses

Not me I like gear resets personally

[plush tendon]

I want my WoW experience to be season by season

last season stuff should not compete with new season stuff

and that includes for tanks to

[daring marlin]

Ret pallies are cuz eranog+annulet looking bis still in S2.

[daring marlin]

Vortex pinnacle ring looks fuckin' giga for ret tho

[sick sentinel]

VP gunna be a big pepelaugh

[plush tendon]

The wave of retties is coming to my guild

[sick sentinel]

storming wind dragon tyranical.... that oughta be fun...

[plush tendon]

Im a bit nervous... its gonna be a raid of Locks and Rets at this rate

[old sinew]

VP tank trinket looks good for us M+ Andies

[plush tendon]

bye bye army of Rogues and Evokers

[sick sentinel]

why, they get nerfed

[old sinew]

Fun fight

Bosses 1 and 2 of vp look lit. Boss 3 needs some love tho

[plush tendon]

the max health increase? I think thats gonna be a meme no?

[old sinew]

No.

[sick sentinel]

GREATER HEAL

that is all

[old sinew]

They changed heart of thunder and river song

[plush tendon]

😮

what it do now?

[sick sentinel]

greater heal and the mini boss dragon with heal ring will be some pug destroyers

[plush tendon]

Cause I was skimming through the dungeon trinkets a couple of months ago and nothing really sparked any confidence in me

[old sinew]

River song gives you haste and give ppl you heal fast. Heart of thunder has a 2 ppm proc that does split damage with BFAae scaling. It’s comparable to whetstone in theoretical dps if you reach full saturation of procs

[plush tendon]

sounds better then max health for sure

will wait to see what the consensus is later

[modern brook]

vial exists tho

[old sinew]

But some ppl think you won’t hit thst full saturation. Regardless if you do or do not it looks like one of the best M+ trinkets for non-raid tanks

[dusky canopy]

Yo 30 tank nyalotha was so much fun! I want that back man

[plush tendon]

well theres that and the one from Halls of Infusion

[old sinew]

We do NOT use irideus lol

[plush tendon]

similar on use

[old sinew]

😆

[plush tendon]

idk man

season 2 hasnt started

[dusky canopy]

VP tank item?

I’m behind

[plush tendon]

I have no idea what good yet

[old sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239987577761824768/1099156058724900944/image.png

[plush tendon]

very cool

[old sinew]

2 ppm plus haste

[plush tendon]

fits my Viking Dwarf Warrior to!

can be like Thor!

[dusky canopy]

Yeah but

It’s Vers dude

[plush tendon]

yea, but if the animation is cool and theres a bunch of lightning around me

[dusky canopy]

🤮

[plush tendon]

its a sacrifice im willing to make

for looking good

[old sinew]

Isn’t irideus fragment mastery?

[dusky canopy]

I would literally rather have mastery

[modern brook]

frag is also mastery

its just a longer cd and based on casts

rather than over time

[plush tendon]

thats another thing... if Eggnog ring is still BiS... thats like 900 vers from ring

im going to have so much Vers and im gonna feel gross

[old sinew]

I would post Pepe hammer but that isn’t on this discord so 🐸🔨

[dusky canopy]

900 Vers on eggnog is ok because the proc makes up for the shit stat

[dusky canopy]

LUL

Daily petition for the removal of Vers stat

[plush tendon]

vers should only be on PVP gear

[old sinew]

Versa is fine. I feel like ppl have seen Andies simp so hard for versa they’ve become radicalized the other way

[daring marlin]

they're slowly moving toward gearless pvp

[dusky canopy]

Vers is poopy bro

How boring

[daring marlin]

May as well just be templates

[plush tendon]

honestly, naked pvp with just weps and trinkets would be awesome XD

[old sinew]

They already tried that ppl hated it

[dusky canopy]

No templets

Let me stack 400% mastery and own

[daring marlin]

It's almost that now lol

With the gear

[dusky canopy]

Dude mop stats where the best

BRING IT BACK

[old sinew]

People want to grind gear in PvP and want to bully ppl with less gear but don’t want to in turn be bullied. They want to farm conquest gear and have it be the best PvP gear which is basically where we are

[plush tendon]

no; hit and expertise are poop

[dusky canopy]

True true

I want reforging

[plush tendon]

remember multistrike?

[old sinew]

Ppl simp for reforging but forget 95% of reforging was juggling hit and expertise

[dusky canopy]

I’m back peddling

Just want reforge and remove Vers

Big W

[modern brook]

i loved crit 2

[dusky canopy]

Crit 2

[old sinew]

Yeah crit 2 is great but what about haste 2? 🤔

🤔

[modern brook]

hated haste 2

[dusky canopy]

I’m trying to get 4 haste stats

You ain’t a real warrior otherwise

This paladin stuff is weird boys

Why does it feel less testosterone

[daring marlin]

because you're low t fam

unfortunate

I'd suggest ashwaghanda and boron

[dusky canopy]

Paladin needs roids

[daring marlin]

[dusky canopy]

Confirmed

[old sinew]

Amplification and CDR are basically Haste X and Haste 3.

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/theodoros-gif-18371963

[old sinew]

I don’t know if you remember in SoO when they added a bunch of semi meme stats on trinkets

Leech amp cdr avoidance cleave etc

[dusky canopy]

Cleave!

[sonic moon]

do we use IP to basically ramp up for a big incoming hit or do we try to keep it capped the whole time we have threat

[dusky canopy]

Nah

[old sinew]

IP is a rage dump

[dusky canopy]

^

You press ip to prevent wasting rage

Otherwise you’d rather press revenge

[sonic moon]

o

that's what i was using it for until i got the IP WA like an hour ago

[dusky canopy]

If SS is up and you have high rage you press ip at the same time so you don’t waste the rage your SS will generate for example

[sonic moon]

then realized it takes way more casts to cap it than i thought

[daring marlin]

SoO was fuckery: the raid

[dusky canopy]

Honestly delete ip wa

It’s not something to waste brain power on

[sonic moon]

yeah yeah i'm familiar with warrior just haven't played prot in a long time

[old sinew]

Here’s the thing - you never want to be in a position where you can’t press revenge because you pressed IP. The more you press revenge, the more you get to press SS, which lets you press revenge more. And if you press revenge enough you get free IP

[sonic moon]

well thats current season

because of tier right

[dusky canopy]

That’s basically always

[strong forum]

Has nothing to do with tier

[old sinew]

Well Sl s3 and s4 that was true as well

[dusky canopy]

^

[strong forum]

If you send too much IP you'll be weaker offensively and defensively

Cuz you get less SS resets

[sonic moon]

kk. i was just thinking along the lines of the 4 set

[strong forum]

Tier has no say in the matter

[sonic moon]

so literally i never need to press IP in any situation other than a rage dump

[sage ice]

Hey folks. I'm pretty new to prot warrior, and am struggling to figure out the best way to manage name plates. I have a great plater profile from Quazzi that helps identify the key mobs and interrupts etc...but i'm really struggling in big M+ pulls to quickly identify and switch between targets.

I've tried stacking, I've tried overlapped...both seem to have some real challenges. Any tips?

[sonic moon]

or magic mit

[strong forum]

Also not entirely true

But that's the gist of it

[sonic moon]

kk.

[strong forum]

If you're at 60-80 rage, just send an IP unless you know better

[strong forum]

Only stacking

Never overlapping

[old sinew]

I mean I’ve jammed IPs when hyrja light shield was coming but you don’t keep it stacked all the time

[strong forum]

Well yeah goal there is to have max IP and max hp

Otherwise you go splat

[sage ice]

yeah that was my inclination. any tips on how to keep them from stacking up way too high on top of my screen? they seem to have weird responses to camera angles etc. Is there a way to get them to stack and then expand horizontally?

[strong forum]

Other than stacking I can't say much more with plater I use an edited version of nnoggies

My plater doesn't stack that stupidly ontop of each other idk

They all spread nicely

That's how mine look

Very little spacing between em

[sage ice]

oh that looks pretty nice

[strong forum]

Most Plater profiles have 40ro40r7r0 spacing for no reason

[sage ice]

hmm, i'll have to play around with spacing options in mine

[strong forum]

Actually it looks like I have overlapping ones

But overlapping done right

Without obstructing bars

@broken crater plater profile is very well managed aswell, pretty similar to mine except not behind a paywall

[sage ice]

hmm ok, so seems like overlapping is possible with the right settings. i'll have to tinker around with mine

would you run Disrupting Shout over Thunderlord for a general M+ build?

[strong forum]

Neither

I run this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

[broken crater]

:bearwaving:

or something

[sage ice]

thanks @strong forum

[strong forum]

You can swap the point out of titanic throw for whatever you like, it's a preference point

Has no big impact besides quality of life

[sage ice]

titanic throw just a nice pull basically?

[daring marlin]

Titanic throw respectorrrrs rise up

[strong forum]

Once you play it you understand how nice it is

But yeah

Heroic throwing 6 targets at once, kinda based

[sage ice]

yeah that's pretty nice

[strong forum]

You cant pull multiple packs as quickly due to 3s CD, but the pack you're leashing has a bit more threat on it

[urban portal]

Wish they could bake improved throw into titanic throw

[daring marlin]

I was about to say the same

[strong forum]

Would make alot more sense than wtf it is doing on our class tree

[sage ice]

does intimidating shout make for much sloppier pack management? feels like that would be ideal with Menace as a CC but troublesome without it?

as you can tell I have a lot of tinkering and learning still to do 🙂

[urban portal]

Nah fears break instantly

And they slow as hell while feared

[strong forum]

The fear is just a 0.1sec aoe stop

Aoe = 5 targets

Nothing runs away cuz it's breaks instantly

[sage ice]

oh gotcha

so it's just an AOE disorient then essentially?

[urban portal]

Disorient is a strong word but yeah

[sage ice]

isn't that what it's supposed to do, or is tooltip misleading?

[urban portal]

It’s pretty useless as a disorient is my point

Since it breaks in 0.1 seconds

[verbal wren]

Just think of it as a way to stop casts and that's it.

[sage ice]

ah

[modern brook]

it does DR with disorients tho

probably will never be relevent

[sage ice]

ok that's fine lol, i need more AOE interrupts/disrupts regardless

[sage ice]

DR?

[modern brook]

in this context, diminishing returns

[sage ice]

👍

i PUG a lot and have found that consistently being able to get all the important kicks/stuns off consistently is pretty tough, so trying to have more tools for self-reliance on interrupting

pummel, shockwave, IS, DS, shield charge feels like plenty of options for kicks/stuns/interrupts

[verbal wren]

It'll help some, but it's 1.5 minute cooldown, so it's not going to cover a bad pug group.

[sage ice]

yeah there's no cure all for sure, but i've been finding myself just out of options too frequently

not an issue when running w/ guildies but they're way ahead of me progression wise so I pug lower keys pretty often

anyways, I appreciate everyone's help. So many possible permutations of builds...so much to consider. Much more challenging (but also more rewarding) than being a lazy DPS

[modern brook]

i mean

the cycle is play tank -> get angry at DPS for not doing baisc things->swap to dps->get angry at tanks for not doign basic things->play tank

[lusty tiger]

the circle of life

[strong forum]

"either die to shit tanks or play long enough to be the shit tank yourself"

[lime urchin]

or just dont get angry, accept not everyone is as experienced and keep smiling

[lusty tiger]

no

[daring marlin]

based bull

per usual

[old sinew]

Well you can use it on incorp in a pinch since they’re damage immune and if you target them if gets around the AE immunity

[old sinew]

Swap to dps? No shot

I dropped my enh Shammy and only play tank now. Seeing tsnk die or bad route boil my blood eat too much I legit can’t do it

We just full tank simp bear pwar BDK

[plush tendon]

I play tank, cause I do more damage as tank then as DPS

[crude notch]

sameeee

[remote venture]

Sheild hit very hard

[lyric heart]

just a fast 1 can we still do M+ the first week of pacth 10.1 or?

[old sinew]

Yes

It will be season 1 thundering and put s1 loot in your vault

[sick sentinel]

"warlock turn off your burning rush" healer,
i don't need to i have drain life and other healing cds and just turn it off when i dont need it.
3 minutes later: You have been removed from the group.

[plush tendon]

I mean, locks are tanky as shit

if hes not in danger of dying... seems fine to me XD

pad those healing meters

[lusty tiger]

I would be begging them to keep it on

Meter number higher = good times

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxvEjVa0Qw POV its your key and you just got this nagging feeling the run is going to go to shit and you wont time or group will disband, (apologies its doomer outlook AF but it really be like this some times.)

[unkempt hatch]

Trying to get crafters mid day week day sucks

[sick sentinel]

if it is for weekly do it on alt

send over a couple of the cheapest ones no mats and make them on your main

[unkempt hatch]

Nah, trying to craft a shield and a ring

Also need upgrade item for stones in annulet

[modern brook]

You can public order the upgrade items

Should get filled within an hour

[unkempt hatch]

I thought they limited the # of public orders you can fulfill

So I was hesitant on public orders, but I’ll throw those on. Or hope someone in guild logs later.

I was going to make a 405 frost fire belt, 405 shield (I need 2 more primal focus) and. 392 ring since my ring is 359 blue

[daring marlin]

damn bro

I'm hyped for 10.1

[unkempt hatch]

I want to get some gear/time on the warrior going into 10.1. See if I made a good choice for myself personally

[daring marlin]

You'll enjoy it.

[unkempt hatch]

I just wanna blast, and make sure I beat my cotank in damage

Hahaha

[left basalt]

@sick sentinel what rating are you trying to reach still?

[old sinew]

NGL I’m more hyped for what is to come later. Season 3 / season 4. Not that season 2 looks bad it’s just a slightly better set of systems on slightly worse content

Season 2 is just mostly more WoW

Well also add 10.1.5

Hyped for mega dungeon

[mighty valley]

i think the raid looks better than vault tbh

[old sinew]

I don’t raid I mean M+

4 df dungeons look much worse. 4 non df dungeons look a lot better.

🤷‍♂️

No Smbg no CoS but also we have 3 dog butt df dungeons

[mighty valley]

as-is i'd probably agree but i'm kinda expected a lotta changes pretty fast

[old sinew]

Uld sucks HoI sucks Neltharus is mid

Going from big litty AA and RLP to dog dungeons like Uld and HoI 🤢

[strong forum]

UR is prolly gonna be the new smbg

[old sinew]

I didn’t test underrot

[strong forum]

depending on tuning ofc

[old sinew]

🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

but mechanically its very simple

[blazing condor]

tyrannical 2nd boss was always kinda ass

but i was a noob pusher back then

[strong forum]

yeah but healers are way stronger now

and dps have more tools

compared to bfa

[blazing condor]

as long as people know where to stack

it should be easy

eh fuck it even if they dont know

so much movement

[strong forum]

shaman is still cucked tho

cuz gl healing with chain heal and healing rain on that boss

[frosty sapphire]

Just got infinite time reaper

[strong forum]

grats

[old sinew]

🥳🎊

[frosty sapphire]

How low is drop actually? My buddy was mad

[mighty valley]

i got it on my first ever timewalking and assumed it was a guaranteed drop lol

[daring marlin]

druid supremacy on crawg

[strong forum]

yeah pmuch

[mighty valley]

Wouldn't be caught dead with unlucky people

[daring marlin]

noobs

[modern brook]

IDK

UR was like 90% "people fucking up pathing and then ur key is bricked cause theres no gy update

and the last 10% was people not understanding a kick order

true and real

but like

getting a pug to hug a wall to avoid worms?

GL

maybe they changed all that idk

[strong forum]

aside from 2nd boss UR was one of the best dungeons

[daring marlin]

last boss was so fuckin' cool as prot

infinite VR

[cinder nova]

They made any word on how they won't fuck prev

[sweet summit]

sporepods bis trink next patchh?

[mortal brook]

never was wont be now esp since the rate got nerfed

:literallygarbage:

[sweet summit]

so sad

[misty moss]

Tomorrow I go back to working full-time... I have had 2 full weeks off and managed to plan my return to work right before the update

O.o

[sick sentinel]

im not sure about this

well, maybe ur right, we will see i guess, i mean literal FREE hold

[strong forum]

they changed FH a bit

reworked bosses and their 1shots

we'll see, all comes down to numbers

but yes FH was historically the highest timed key apart from junkyard in BFA

[modern brook]

didnt they also change the mob-make up?

like drastically

[hardy snow]

thats a nice upgrade 😄

[strong forum]

that idk

only read the bosses stuff

but yeah the dungeon is static now

doesnt have rotation anymore if thats what you mean

[modern brook]

I think i read something about the like

uhhhhhhhhh

yeah the 2nd boss lol

the trash that would go away doesnt go away or something

but like if memory serves people just did all that trash pre-joining for % anyways

[strong forum]

ye

[modern brook]

so theres like multiple avenues for me to be talking out of my ass rn

[strong forum]

not all, but alot

[scarlet mesa]

is it wrong that I am going to play this spec because I think thunderclap has a cool animation

[misty moss]

yeah but not for us right? I mean Seal of Diurna will be pretty outdated next Season

[modern brook]

more people should play specs based on things like that, if you ask me

[modern brook]

they're increasing all the direct damage/healing procs on embelishments to better compete with the "a bunch of stats" ones

[scarlet mesa]

if the class looks cool im playing it

[strong forum]

its a game, you play games for fun

lotta people forget that part

[scarlet mesa]

the class could do jesus dps

if i dont think it looks cool im not playing it

[strong forum]

same

[scarlet mesa]

anyway, i play unholy dk and ret pally too, but I havent been able to like the other tank specs they have

so im trying this

[hardy snow]

even without seal of diurna this embelishment was okay, now its just better

[strong forum]

belt remains bis

ring probably aswell, eranog that is

[modern brook]

i think its 441-450

[strong forum]

seal of diurnas chosen is the dmg ring

[modern brook]

in your defense eranog ring has diurnas name in it

[strong forum]

its dumb that both have to do with diurna

[misty moss]

RIP Bracers of friendship

[modern brook]

no i meant mythic raid in 10.1

drops 441 to 450

im not sur the bottom bound tbh

[strong forum]

annulet should be higher than that

[modern brook]

esp on a tank for dammy

[strong forum]

atleast on ST

in m+ its mega outdated

[misty moss]

I'm planning on just waiting on Noms PIN post 🙂

[modern brook]

I'm desperately searching for 1 thing i can contribute to said pin post so i can continue pretending im relevent

[strong forum]

is pretty simple, if you have annulet and 421 eranog, you wont replace them for raid until they nerf annulet

in m+ just pick haste rings

[misty moss]

ok, I think I heard ilvl > everything 😄

[strong forum]

pmuch

like always

[misty moss]

Managed to get 90+ on everything for my ilvl but my warrior was made 3 weeks ago and I main too many classes now XD. Only got it up to 410

[dry spear]

So. Belt crafted. Ring eranog mythic, onyx ring and torch mythic is what you keep?

[scarlet mesa]

do you stance dance on this spec

[misty moss]

nah just sit defensive tbh

[scarlet mesa]

oh so its a mostly pointless mech

[modern brook]

😡

[scarlet mesa]

yeah, thats what I figured

[modern brook]

dstance should be treated as a cooldown that you pay for in damage

not time

so you can use it to stack with other cds

[misty moss]

You guys can bstance in high keys?

[modern brook]

but you want to stay in bstance for the dammy

[strong forum]

add padding

[dry spear]

Dstance when tanking brood at the end phase 1 ;)

[misty moss]

I stopped sitting bstance after 23s

[strong forum]

speed strat is 1 platform

[scarlet mesa]

i ended up picking tauren

cause cow

[modern brook]

[scarlet mesa]

totally not because all my toons are tauren

[strong forum]

curious dmg breakdown

[modern brook]

as you push higher into keys, you need to be in dstance more yeah. like i said, its a CD that is paid for in damage instead of time, use it as needed

[strong forum]

SD infinitely better for actual usefulness

not a fan of padding

[modern brook]

im considering it

[strong forum]

dude only did 32k boss dps

straight up mid af

[misty moss]

no that's fair, tbh the loss of bstance for dstance is barely anything damage wise imo

[strong forum]

meanwhile currently on beta

i maintain 53k dps on dummy without any buffs or insane trinkets

[scarlet mesa]

time to be a level 10 tank

and press buttons

[strong forum]

tbf thats beta with buffed frostfire belt and new tierset

is about 2k dps at max ilvl

just the raw dmg proc

ye

[astral atlas]

Or 1T?

[strong forum]

1t

obv

max dps is dropping imp wall to get UF

na true max dps is dropping indom

[scarlet mesa]

ignore pain

👀

finally, something to spend rage on

Great.

a bit clumsy is putting it rather kindly

[crude notch]

PWar is one of the better ones by the time you get to 20

[scarlet mesa]

my only generator is shield slam

[crude notch]

and devastator

[scarlet mesa]

actually that generates nothing

[crude notch]

it helps generate more shield slams

which generates rage

What level are you?

[scarlet mesa]

thats a talent

12

lmaio

[crude notch]

I wouldn't expect a fully fledged out spec at level 12

[urban portal]

Bear is a beast in pre 20 content

You may melt instantly

But you do insane damage

[crude notch]

If you're melting in pre-20 content as anything you goofed.

[pallid quiver]

I just saw the news about the guaranteed spark every 2 weeks, no randomness

I have been saved from RNG hell

[warm plinth]

@crude notch hi Jordan ily

[daring marlin]

While nice, get fucked 2H nerds!

at the start

[urban portal]

Idk about df but In shadowlands bear didn’t get iron fur until 17

Or something

So I was doing mdi pulls without ironfur

It was tough

But my damage giga

[old sinew]

😱

(nbd we just valor upgrade a weapon to 441 for a couple weeks)

[zinc imp]

is there any info of gear/trinkets for 10.1 yet? for any of the specs?

[urban portal]

For gear it’s gonna be ilevel

For trinkets not yet

[daring marlin]

I'm hyped for the crafted 2H.

On-use seems sick for M+

[old sinew]

weapon with an on-use?

embellishment weapon or something? or do you mean the cantrip weapon from the raid?

[zinc imp]

thanks

[pallid quiver]

It's funny, because I was gonna use a dropped spark to craft a 2H to use for DPS OS

And it just never came

[crude notch]

You get it at 12.

[urban portal]

In sl?

Then it was probably the toughest content known as level 11

[crude notch]

Read again

[urban portal]

No heirloom

[daring marlin]

2H mace isn't marked as an embellishment

[crude notch]

hello sir, ilu2!

[scarlet mesa]

why is this shield so big

[daring marlin]

because

PROBLEM?

[scarlet mesa]

true

[oak echo]

It's the only shield I'll use because it's so large 😆

[mighty valley]

what year is it

[daring marlin]

[peak schooner]

what shield is that ?? ❤️ ❤️

[wary spire]

Its one of the legion artifact appearances

[scarlet mesa]

the hidden one

[pallid quiver]

it's 2013, harrow, everything's brighter and happier, the worst thing is people hating on pandas, youtube still has its old current layout

[dreamy wedge]

Sorry if this has been asked already, but do we have any data on how good the new crafted shield effect is? Me likey damage procs

[strong forum]

the proc doesnt count as embellish iirc

but the proc itself does the same as any other

so like 1.5k dps

[scarlet mesa]

everytime I click thunderclap i get wet

is something wrong with me

[mighty valley]

Yeah, you're clicking thunderclap

Bind that shit

[scarlet mesa]

im obviously pressing a bind!

[mighty valley]

i figured but i thought it was a good joke setup

please clap

[scarlet mesa]

no, jeb

[daring marlin]

jeb!

[scarlet mesa]

is this shield slam the class

this procs SO much

lmao

[warm plinth]

It's a good thing it's a very satisfying ability to press

[lusty tiger]

In classic I wet myself every time my thunderclap is resisted

[scarlet mesa]

warrior incontinence

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, SS is only not the answer when you have CDs to press or you're in some big boy aoe

[warm plinth]

I'd like to be in your big boy aoe

gottem

[cinder nova]

Say goodbye to your wrist and finger dexterity

[proper roost]

Could be worse, could be outlaw

Although I guess IP spam makes prot cpm go way up?

[cinder nova]

Prot CPM is like 60-80

Depending on what you're doing

[warm plinth]

Prot war has a higher APM than outlaw rogue

By like 5-7

[cinder nova]

☝️

[warm plinth]

Prot pally as well

[cinder nova]

Really?

Didn't know that

[warm plinth]

Yeah prot pally is just as much as pwar if not more

[cinder nova]

Why

[warm plinth]

Because they spam the shit out of SotR which is off-GCD

[cinder nova]

Oh

Right

[sinful copper]

are you supposed to take spell block for RLP?

[mighty valley]

it sure helps on the first boss on tyrannical weeks

just kind of depends on key level

[pallid quiver]

Can be nice for some adds, too, iirc

[sinful copper]

its a +22

[crude notch]

Just play Thorns of Iron Guardian Druid if you want the true 150 apm SC experience

[pallid quiver]

Iirc it works on the add for 2nd boss, too, reducing the pulsing damage you take so more focus can go to the bleed

[shut summit]

yes

[warm plinth]

yeah spell block is amazing for the overlaps on 1st boss because it blocks both the frost shards and the chillstorm damage

[sick sentinel]

spell block on 2 bosses and probably a bunch of trash

does it reduce cinder bolts cuz if so thats reason enough

[slim dove]

Its generally amazing and TaN gives like 2% overall dmg in a key

when i still tanked i took spell block basically everywhere

[cinder nova]

cinderbolts arent that bad

[warm plinth]

Yeah cinderbolt isn't bad and it's kickable too so

[cinder nova]

Plus they aren't even spamcasted solely at you. They spread the love, just gotta be vaguely cognizant of the ones aiming at you.

[warm plinth]

cognizant is a very big word to be using in here S

[sick sentinel]

synonyms are aware, alert, basically

right?

[fresh igloo]

mentally recognizing. yeah.

disambiguation would also include a software development contractor company from india.

[sick sentinel]

slavjank is typically the worst games

usually comes from russia or like, brazil, or egpyt, typically russian though, thats all of those HORRENDOUS games from dos -now

an example (a good one) is stalker

typical shitty russian slavjank, almost always a bland shooter game as an un-named russian dude against human-ish zombies or troops, they often feature the same enemy type over and over and over with only a few bosses along the way and you only maybe get a cutscene at the very end, usually has weird propaganda bullshit messages all through-out them too - Required to be full of bugs and not be very well optomized.

[grizzled kite]

this is no longer #protection it is now #yogi-diary

[mighty valley]

always has been.meme

[unkempt hatch]

Those days where you just play like crap for no reason 🙈😅😂

[sick sentinel]

i have been protecting for long time now

almost got everythung i want and need figured out

[cinder nova]

Yogi you might have a brain worm my guy

get your head blasted with radiation so they can see inside your grapefruit

[peak schooner]

is there a weak aura that tells you when to spell reflect / when things that are spell reflectable are being cast at you

or do you just have to know/learn when to use it

[warm plinth]

If a trash mob is casting something on you, it's almost guaranteed you can reflect it.

As far as like a projectile goes

But there is a spreadsheet in the pins that lists all the relevant shit and you just need to get used to it. Not everything that IS reflectable needs to be reflected though.

[stone pike]

This is how I did it. You get a feel for what to use it on with practice.

Most of my usage is on mitigating spell damage rather than actually reflecting anything.

I never did bother to check if it persists after reflecting a spell though

[warm plinth]

It does since some point in SL

Didn't used to though

[stone pike]

Yeah that was how I remembered it from last time I played warrior. It was a single use spell reflection with no damage reduction component or some such.

More useful these days for the short cd spell damage mitigation imo

[warm plinth]

Well it had the reduction but if you reflected something, you lost the DR too

[stone pike]

Ah yeah then I just didn't read it then

I found it a godsend on fights like Raz. Especially when tanking. You can mitigate almost the entire thunderous blast every time with your three DR cds.

[warm plinth]

We had an artifact trait in Legion though that basically functioned like it does not, but only because you could reflect an unlimited number of spells while SR was active, so it would stay up regardless. It was also a 30% reduction then

does now**

[cinder nova]

Nah, it only persisted in DF.

Unless you count pre-patch.

Which, let's be honest. Pre-patch is more the next xpack than the current one.

I've been screaming at the top of my lungs on the advice forum that it should be two separate auras since the start of the xpack, and I made forum posts for it, too. I like to think I had a hand in this QOL improvement, but I know that mine is but a single squeak in a sea of braying, ungrateful screams.

[warm plinth]

I actually came up with a solution a problem back in I think TBC regarding mana cost for feral druids on their forms and they ended up implementing the exact thing I suggested. I felt the same way about that XD

[cinder nova]

I wish they'd at least send you an email and be like

Yo dawg that was actually pretty 🔥 thanx
here's like 25 blizzbux for giving us the 💡
u da reel mvp ong fr fr 💯 💯 💯

[scarlet mesa]

do y'all use frozen devotion or sophic devotion

sophic seemed better for armor

[warm plinth]

Sophic devotion

[cinder nova]

Frozen for the dam since it sims higher 📈 for me

[warm plinth]

I'll sim you higher

gottem

[scarlet mesa]

lmao

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-cena-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-about-that-are-you-sure-about-that-meme-gif-23133134

[scarlet mesa]

so rend isnt an active ability eh

we just get it from thunderclap and stuff

neat

question

this ability seems pretty good

why isn't it taken?

[iron wadi]

hi im the one who took it

a curse/disease removal is a godsend IMO

[warm plinth]

Because it's not necessary.

[scarlet mesa]

tell @iron wadi this

they would gain more out of it

[warm plinth]

Why do you need a disease, poison or curse cleanse? The only poison you even have this season is the boss adds in AA. The curse in TJS doesn't hit the tank. And every other tank dispel is magic.

And the AA adds need multiple dispels on relevant keys so having one of your own is pointless unless you int by not bringing one

[scarlet mesa]

thought so

spell reflect would just stop the debuffs you wanna avoid

[warm plinth]

Either that or they'd be magic dispel which that doesn't work on anyway.

It might be a bit more useful next season in Freehold and Brackenhide but again, you're kinda inting not bringing those dispels there anyway.

And in FH you generally skip most, if not all of those mobs

[scarlet mesa]

so not bad, just situational

and this season doesnt call for it

[warm plinth]

Correct. And generally any situation that it would be useful for, you would want an actual dispel for it regardless which makes it pointless.

[scarlet mesa]

they did a lot of LFR before

[warm plinth]

And the heal portion is basically irrelevant since we already have a 30% heal on a 25 second CD

[scarlet mesa]

so, they basically were relying on themselves

oh right victory rush

[warm plinth]

and a 30% heal on what will be like a 1.2 min CD once we get tier

with Last stand

[scarlet mesa]

there you go @iron wadi

[iron wadi]

aye, i also keep several "we have three fucking druids why am i not being healed" spells on hand for emergencies

[scarlet mesa]

you should be able to sustain yourself for the most part

from my understanding

[iron wadi]

i did rework my rotation

it was whack

[scarlet mesa]

icy veins will help

[iron wadi]

completely wasnt casting shield block

[scarlet mesa]

VI

[iron wadi]

no it was on the wrong hotkey

[scarlet mesa]

was going to say

thats like the main mitigation there

[iron wadi]

y e a h

@warm plinth i did, dont worry

[warm plinth]

did what 👀

[scarlet mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

cast shield block, i'd like to hope

[warm plinth]

Or maybe he stopped using Barbaric Training

[scarlet mesa]

i got them to take it off actually

very big improvement talent wise!

this is what it was last night

[ionic fern]

[scarlet mesa]

i spent awhile helping them and explaining stuffs as best I could

[remote venture]

Well done!

[warm plinth]

Get rid of second wind at least; completely useless talent for us

[scarlet mesa]

they may have forgor

[warm plinth]

And you really should have double time. That's a pretty significant amount of extra rage

Lets you charge more often

[scarlet mesa]

they do

you need it for 1h specialization

[warm plinth]

Oh I was looking at the wrong one

But yeah get rid of second wind. Absolute trash for a tank

[ionic fern]

Hey...hey Ghash

[warm plinth]

o/

[ionic fern]

Do you think warrior is a fast paced class?

[warm plinth]

Fast-paced you mean? Yeah

[ionic fern]

Yes, sorry.

[scarlet mesa]

ill make sure they swap it out

[warm plinth]

Except maybe arms; I don't know much about that spec though

Prot and fury are both fast though imo

[ionic fern]

Get ready for it to become faster.

[naive ravine]

Old SL banner

[warm plinth]

This has to be a raid build right

[ionic fern]

Ya.

And currently at least, it looks like we're swapping out Lariat for Shadowflame.

[warm plinth]

Could probably drop enduring defenses for TaN or a point in bloodborne on fights where you don't tank the whole time too

[ionic fern]

And keeping the frostfire belt.

[ionic fern]

I would just take the execute talent.

[warm plinth]

wait which talent?

[ionic fern]

Massacre.

[warm plinth]

Oh, I forgot that was even a choice node tbh

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Yeah frostfire belt gonna be pretty spicy; got buffed by what, like 100%

[ionic fern]

See, idk if that was why it was already doing so much damage on PTR.

Or was it ONTOP of the already increased damage on PTR.

Cause it was already doing more than on live on PTR before they announced the buff.

[warm plinth]

Was that with increased ilevel?

[ionic fern]

That was with my copy-paste character.

[scarlet mesa]

for @iron wadi , shockwave is a CC, not a main use ability, yes?

40 sec for 10 rage seemed low

[iron wadi]

i meant use it as cc ya dingus

[ionic fern]

• tier.

[scarlet mesa]

oh

LOL

ill use you as a cc

[iron wadi]

promise?

[scarlet mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/higurashi-rena-ryuugu-rena-ryuuguu-rena-ryugu-when-they-cry-gif-20186523

[ionic fern]

...

What is happening.

[scarlet mesa]

i am helping my friend so I can bring them to mythic+ and you are witnessing some banter

[warm plinth]

MWAHI THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH WEEB IN HERE RN

[scarlet mesa]

im a dk, we're all weebs

[remote venture]

SS the weebs!

[ionic fern]

I agree.
That's why i'm doing other things.

[sweet summit]

purge the weebs

[ionic fern]

Isn't your pfp considered "weeb"?

[sweet summit]

ye

i need to be removed

[next yacht]

Isnt prot channel for chads?Why are weebs here?

[ionic fern]

We're all chads enough to tolerate them.

[scarlet mesa]

let me have my girly interests ok

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

i lash out in anger in violence

but i agree, purge weebery

[scarlet mesa]

Wait

[dusky meadow]

noob question i only started up this game again recently but does anyoen else have trouble with the tree boss on algethar if no one is dispelling the poison?

legit getting ticks on me for like 500k , i'm probably doing something wrong but it feels obscene

from the little adds

[pallid quiver]

Every time they touch you, you get a stack, and it stacks up to 99.

It tends to be instant-lethal at like 40 stacks, so

You have to do something about it, from getting poison cleansed, to CC'ing the mobs, just straight instant blasting them,

Anything to not get that many stacks or you'll just get murdered

[dusky meadow]

yea i'll shockwave and fear but i just get destroyed once shield wall and block are down. it's a feelsbad

spell block*

[pallid quiver]

If you get stacks of the poison too high, you just die, shield wall or not. It starts hitting per tick for like 300k

[grizzled kite]

IGNORE THE PAIN AWAY

[warm plinth]

Do not go in there without a poison dispel. Like...don't.

If the healer can't dispel it then you need to tell one of the DPS to take it and actually use it.

[dusky meadow]

ok makes sense, i thought the damage was ridiculous

i looked at some other tank players in high keys and they're all prot pala's dispelling it

felt so jealous

[pallid quiver]

so tell priest heals to fuck off because getting dps to poison cleanse is like taking teeth from a lion

[warm plinth]

lol, yeah but poison dispel is pretty common.

[pallid quiver]

and the lion's got a BFG from Doom

[dusky meadow]

at least glad to know i wasn't playing it super wrong, was having my healer flame me for always dying in that phase

[warm plinth]

Evoker, paladin, monk, druid, and shaman all have it if they talent into it.

[pallid quiver]

I once had a Monk DPS use their poison cleanse for it since healer was a priest.

They've never talked to me since.

[warm plinth]

I believe shaman totem is still up for every active phase iirc

despite the long CD

[dusty monolith]

good morning you all sexy fucks

[warm plinth]

WOAH.

It's night time for some of us

[remote venture]

Good night you sexy fucks

[old sinew]

3:06 am bedge

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-mp5-gun-full-auto-gif-20570217

[cinder nova]

This is true.

Bricked a 22 AA during S1

Told monk to take dispel

We died on tree because of stacks overwhelming the healer and I

Monk where's the dispel man

"I dispelled myself though?"

I felt like baldmangold losing his shit

[timber terrace]

Don't have to can just bubble or spellward

https://tenor.com/view/orange-juice-drinking-ronaldo-gif-25754926

[grizzled kite]

Paladins are jack of all trades

:{

[remote venture]

Paladins are jackass of all trades :)

[minor forge]

Anybody knows
Next week on the forti week but with patch launch, can we still get primal infusions from mythic plus

[dry spear]

how do u guys thing about the 1H weapon from lair. the one with no str but the dmg proc?

[grizzled kite]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193785/forgestorm?

[dry spear]

is that the weapon to go for in S2?

[cinder nova]

Sim it at cap ilvl compared to other weapons of similar ilvl

[grizzled kite]

That was the question if you referred to that weapon

I guess the ? at the end got merged with the url

[proven orbit]

this mace with new shield crafted?

[dry spear]

ah yes. it is that weapon. in S1 you wanted to go for strike twice. but i dont know about this weapon because it lacks str. dmg proc is good on ptr.

[hardy snow]

for me at 447 it sims better than crafted 447 on ST by ~1.4k

and quite same at aoe

[cinder nova]

Strike twice was good, but not extremely good. The DPS gains were pretty small, but obviously quantifiable.

[stone pike]

If you're not getting dispelled it's a failure of your healer or your group comp. Especially on tyrannical.

[dusky meadow]

alright nice to know i'm not (that) dumb

2 runs in a row i was insta dying on that boss and people kept flaming me

[grizzled kite]

People in general lack the knowledge to be able to accurately blame on what went wrong

Don't pay it no mind, people feel superior just because they hit 2500 this season

[cerulean tusk]

I hit 2500, i know what you did wrong. I won't tell you what though. All you need to know is that I am better than you, that I did nothing wrong. I got 2500 btw.

[merry umbra]

how many non-chads are rerolling to paladins

[scenic mural]

tbf 2500 is painfully easy to reach and io is super inflated at this point

[craggy pilot]

can just play both, why not

[merry umbra]

um, life?

[craggy pilot]

laughs in 7 x lvl 70 characters

[merry umbra]

well that doesn't really take much time, especially if u have gold 😄

[craggy pilot]

didnt spend gold on leveling any of them

[grizzled kite]

Wasting resources to level

[merry umbra]

time's more efficient than gold broski, atleast from where I'm standing

I still wonder if they are gonna roll 2 paladins for the first few bosses in rwf

even tho our tier set got buffed it still feels kinda weak in raid in ptr

[scenic mural]

Pallys are being pumped bc of m+, they are by no means the best raid tank. Brm/bdk still better, we take less dmg as well

[surreal kindle]

When tanking and let's say something goes wrong and you take immense damage losing your ignore pain + a good portion of your health. Naturally, my instinct is to use an impending victory. What i should prioritise after that? Shield wall or last stand if i am concerned about recovery or even more damage coming at me?

[ionic fern]

If there's more magic damage coming: IV->SW
If there's more physical damage coming: IV->SB

After you've gotten that up, IP.

[surreal kindle]

IV?

[ionic fern]

Impending Victory

[surreal kindle]

So shield wall should strictly be reserved for magic damage, generally

[ionic fern]

No, not strictly.

[craggy pilot]

Shield Wall is prevention, not reaction

[ionic fern]

It can also be used against physical damage.

[craggy pilot]

Last Stand + IV is reaction