protection

[uneven mason]

I mean sotr is

[sweet summit]

mitigation =/= heal

i think

but then again LS

lol spell

[modern brook]

[uneven mason]

Odyns a chump, our class hall triggered me on levels I didn't know I had

[modern brook]

least yall got one rogue nver got a class hall smh

[old sinew]

Paladin simps for Tyr, Warrior simps for Odyn don’t @ me

[old sinew]

bruh the variance in class halls is crazy

If we ever get class halls again I definitely hope they don’t reuse the existing ones. Some classes got hard shafted

[uneven mason]

Like warriors

[sick sentinel]

they did

[uneven mason]

"warrior afterlife" - run by a dude who was too chicken to stay and fight, shadow molested his daughter, got his face melted by Ragnaros, steals souls because no one wants to follow him anyway. Odyns a bag of shit

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEZO1ZPxhQI

thats what rogues got

[modern brook]

[old sinew]

I mean I’m just trying to think what a better hall would be. Something like argent tournament but like less Paladin themed - have we ever seen anything like that?

[uneven mason]

The brawlers guild

[sick sentinel]

the joke that is, is civvie 11 a youtuber, he does doom type game reviews, every time he encounters a sewer level, he puts one of those up

[old sinew]

Tbh that could be cool. Send Bruce out on mission table missions lol

[sick sentinel]

because sewer levels are typically unbearable

[modern brook]

L take

brawlers guild is stinky

[sick sentinel]

brawlers guild would be alot cooler if it was just part of orgimmar standard

and you didnt have to zone into it

[uneven mason]

I mean "warrior afterlife" filled with human ancestors

[old sinew]

I love brawlers guild it’s just a bit comic relief

[modern brook]

my guy wants to go from "literally valhalla" to "jons basement fight club"

call it an upgrade cause odyns a tool

[old sinew]

Brawlers Guild mashed up with Ring of Blood

[uneven mason]

Yes, because it was a horrible aesthetic, and it's not Valhalla it's odyns lounge that he ripped out of ukduar

[sick sentinel]

the one with the chest in the middle and its pvp

whoever can get it gets it, if not, get fucked lol

[old sinew]

Theming a warrior class hall around Ogre Arenas could be cool. Pit Fighters, Saberon Followers, etc

[uneven mason]

I had a hard time dealing with the dude who screams about honor every 2 lines when he has none

[modern brook]

yeah just /mute odyn

the hall was dope

you got to it by jumping

that was dope

[sick sentinel]

not possible, that would require that we add in female ogre model that everyone would agree with putting in the game

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

in very old wow, they wanted to make ogre a playable race, but they scrapped it because nobody could agree on a female ogre model

its a joke/rumor

[uneven mason]

Then they made kultirans

[plush tendon]

I like the Valhalla theme.... fits my Dwarf Warrior Bjorn really well

[modern brook]

best part of kultiras is making an entire race dedicated to them and then using the regular human female model for like 70% of female kul tiran npcs

[old sinew]

[uneven mason]

It's like, we could have just added fat human options to character creation but we wanted to give them shaman and druid..."racially distinct"

[modern brook]

im fine with fat humans being a different race

but like commit

[crude notch]

It's weird that you think every kul tiran would be the same shape and size

[old sinew]

Tbh I get City of Heroes vibes that had three genders - Male, Female, and Brick. To be fair most superheroes fall into one of those bins, there typically aren’t super heroic Beef cake women in fantasy or science fiction. Like the only thing that comes to mind is like opera house Valkyrie or something

[crude notch]

if anything they should have belly size options for everyone, not make all kul tirans the same size

[old sinew]

Kultiran got those “Helga” type vibes but not every woman in a whole continent can pull that off and still fell immersive

[modern brook]

they're not allowed to simultaneously change gender to body type and exclude the bulkier female kul tiras model from literal kul tiran females because they dont like bigger women are not often seen in heroic media

gotta pick one :/

[old sinew]

70% of Kultirans are Peter Griffin cos players anyways so it was over for Kultiran women before it started (source: I made it the fuck up )

[rough egret]

hey, would you go for it, or take tokens, (I would be at 5/6)
next week bumps crafted gear to 421.. 😄

[modern brook]

as in taking tokens puts you to 5/6?

in that case flip a coin

doesnt matter :^)

if you're at 5/6 and taking would put you aty 7/6 id argue socket probably better?

ultiamtely you're taking for gold

[old sinew]

Do you have any goals this week? On my BDK I took a 421 weapon but I want to hit 3k IO on my 2nd alt before s2 so I don’t mind the bigger power bump

If you’re just running 1 key for vault you have no reason to take

[rough egret]

transmog maybe 😄

[rough egret]

im 3/6 atm so as you said, it doesnt matter

[modern brook]

tokens probably exchange for more gold than the weapon sells for

[old sinew]

Yeah 1 token is 1k g

Weapon is like 80 or 90g

[modern brook]

ALSO worth noting that like in FULL honesty, a 3 ilvl upgrade on your weapon is big

but like you mentioned next week s2 crafting unlocks and u just get a lot of space and you're gunna replace it anyways

[old sinew]

Yes but only for this week

[tropic tangle]

his weapon will bump to 421 anyway tho

[modern brook]

THANKS GUYS

[tropic tangle]

he's got a 418 crafted

[modern brook]

LET ME TYPE 😠

[old sinew]

Dude I don’t think you are understanding us

On Tuesday

[rough egret]

so its a mog+129g vs 2k gold 😄

[modern brook]

😡

[old sinew]

His weapon will be 421 with no interaction require

[modern brook]

yeah basically

[old sinew]

No upgrades nothing

For free his weapon will automatically update

[plush tendon]

if you havnt been picking mog out of your vault for the last 5 weeks, you doing it wrong

its all about mog

[modern brook]

semi related

new teir mog is sick

really like the set

[old sinew]

The only question he is “do you want to do anything with 3 ilvl this week” and if the answer is no you don’t need to take it

[plush tendon]

im excited

[modern brook]

excited to see how its ruined on non-human models

[plush tendon]

gonna get the paladin, dk, and war mog

might actually play a priest for their mog to

cause its straight fire

[old sinew]

I’m hyped for 10.1 overall. Playing bear pwar and BDK.

[plush tendon]

you can check in the dressing room!

[old sinew]

Gave up on my goal of rank 1 just going to chill vibes get mythic mog and gear all of em

[modern brook]

I'm wage caged

[old sinew]

Bro I am hyped for Mythic Mythic Plus tho

In s4

Long time away but still

[daring marlin]

bruhhhh for real

Might need to boost a Priest!

[crude notch]

it's definitely a pog set

[rough egret]

im still torn on main for S2, warr or pallym, have them both pretty equally geared

ill endup playing both eventually

[plush tendon]

Looks pretty good on Dwarf

Reminds me of Dragon Soul Warrior Tier

[old sinew]

My only problem is the problem we have had for a while - if you M+ but don’t raid it’s hard to match weapons to the mog

[plush tendon]

eh, the raid shields and weps dont really fit the color scheme imo

but Ive been generally disappointed with Blizz's shield design

[old sinew]

Seemed fine in 10.9 but I haven’t looked at weapon mogs for this raid since I’m not doing it no reason to rustle my Jimmies

Not sure why we can’t catalyst weapons to matching mog tho

[plush tendon]

who knows

[crude notch]

because there isn't tier specific weapons related to appearance

[plush tendon]

this is also something I remember seeing

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-specific-weapons-shields-and-offhands-on-the-patch-10-1-ptr-331787

from a while ago... not sure exactly what it is... but feels like artifact wep apperances

Mage Tower V.3?

[old sinew]

🤤

[plush tendon]

cause that sword and shield look like they match

[old sinew]

😱 give it to me ion 😱😱😱😱😱😱

[modern brook]

Unironically one of the better helms and shoulders we ever had

[plush tendon]

im using the dwarf heritage right now

big fan of that set with the Skovald Shield

[modern brook]

Oh shit I should probably go about unlocking the orc set huh

[plush tendon]

It’s aight

I’m not really a fan of it; just not enough full coverage armor imo

I like the maghar heritage one a lot more

[modern brook]

Yeah maghar get all the cool stuff

But they're also bad orcs so

[uneven mason]

Wat

So hot tip the coloration for the orc heritage matches the chest and legs from castle nathria perfectly

[modern brook]

Which one?

Difficulty *

[uneven mason]

So if you're not a fan of the Madonna nipple chest piece

Normal and heroic match the grey and red

[modern brook]

Pog I love the nathria chest piece, been trying to make it work for ages

I have literally every version except mythic and raid finder

[modern brook]

Rip shields

[uneven mason]

why Rip shields?

[modern brook]

Doesn't match at all lol

[uneven mason]

yeah, hard to find a shield that does

[modern brook]

Shields ruin mogs

[uneven mason]

with a horde symbol anyway, its REALLY close

[modern brook]

There's like 3 good ones

[uneven mason]

if you're not in good lighting

[modern brook]

Bad lighting is apart of my mogs

[uneven mason]

Mine too

Heroic chest/legs with the grey set

belt/gloves/1shoulder getting along great with the mail Maldraxxus set

[modern brook]

The belt and chest go together p well

[unkempt hatch]

So after playing with all the tanks, I think going into 10.1 I might main warrior.

[plush tendon]

theres 100% a horde shield with that red

I swear its there somewhere

too bad my only Orc toons are my DK and Lock cause that change makes that set 100% times better

and the Lock Mage Tower is just too good

and DK mog from Nighthold is pog so 😦

[unkempt hatch]

My dk and warrior are both Belf. Because I have a problem lol. Little race variety for me

[thorny pumice]

is there a way to sim the stones for the ring? i don't have the prophetic stone atm but have freezing ice and pastel and just wanted to see which one would be better

[uneven mason]

It's not the red, that matches, it's the steel color, the shield has a weathered dull steel and the heritage has a shiney new polished look

[uneven mason]

Just get the bis stones, you can buy the base element and keep trying until you get the right ones,

[plush tendon]

they need to design weps with the tmog sets in mind

or at least, include them in tmog sets

[thorny pumice]

oh shit you can? thanks! lol

[uneven mason]

I agree, DID got weapon and shield

[uneven mason]

Yeah break stones you don't need at the anvil and buy from the drac next to it

[thorny pumice]

cool, thanks a ton!

[plush tendon]

I was also a BELF only person for a while, but Ive been race changing my toons recently just for a bit more variety; overall, pretty good decision

Dwarf War, Blood Elf Pal, Orc DK

nice variety

[unkempt hatch]

My dk was orc, went Belf

My warrior used to be orc I think, then changes servers and it went Belf.

[daring marlin]

first time blood elves could be warriors was pretty pog

[unkempt hatch]

My warrior, pally, dk, Hunter, DH are all Belf

[daring marlin]

They always look great in plate except when boots are gigantic

[unkempt hatch]

My monk is orc, druid is HM

Priest is nightborne

Would consider faction changing warrior to nelf for the flips once 10.1 drops

[plush tendon]

yea, Belfs look great in a lot of sets

just Dwarfs oddly pretty funny and cool: plus racials are OP compared to Belf

maybe I just need multiple of the same class with different races XD

[dusky canopy]

Joined a new guild(CE goal)
RL asks me to switch pally so I’m like alright I’ll do it

Proceeds to run keys with me while I’m gearing pally

Takes whetstone/hoof/ weapon during these keys

Bruh

“Be 415 by may 9th” he says

[unkempt hatch]

😂😂😂🙈

[unkempt hatch]

Dwarves are so ugly to me

I hate the beards

I’d consider kul tiran if they were a touch less panda-ey. Gut is a bit tooo big

[dusky canopy]

No way fam dwarf king

[strong forum]

The beards are the best part

:gasp:

[crude notch]

Cody racist

[plush tendon]

look at my awesome Dwarf Viking King

[unkempt hatch]

😭😭

[dusky canopy]

Hard agree

[plush tendon]

all my toons have beards

men have beards

[dusky canopy]

Bro the damn shield! It refuses to drop

[unkempt hatch]

I prefer clean cut

[plush tendon]

got 1 more week

Recruit the guildies

offer a bounty for it

the drop rate on it is absolute garbage

[plush tendon]

I wish instead of big guts, the just gave em like super broad shoulders

[unkempt hatch]

TBF I’ve never played a dwarf

[plush tendon]

so you could look like The Mountain in Game of Thrones

[unkempt hatch]

Horde gang

But dwarfs have OP radials

Racial

[daring marlin]

chad

[plush tendon]

I just want to be a 7 foot tall massive man

https://tenor.com/view/the-mountain-gif-9639097

[unkempt hatch]

But how does the 10.1 tier set look on a dwarf tho?

[strong forum]

10 keylevel deplete at start of s2 LOL

So no easy +20s day1

[daring marlin]

Thor was always the most aesthetic looking world's strongest man

OH SHIT FOR REAL?

HAHAHAHA

[unkempt hatch]

Idk I’m not sold on the dwarves…

So chonk

[daring marlin]

@outer dew https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-keys-will-deplete-by-10-levels-in-the-beginning-of-dragonflight-season-2-332622

[plush tendon]

for sure a acquired taste; my friend told me he wasnt big into Dwarves until he started playing Deep Rock Galatic

now all he wants to be is a Dwarf XD

[daring marlin]

I've always liked dorfs

Playing Vermintide made me like 'em even more

Bardin #1

[plush tendon]

yea, other games make you like dwarves

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-vermintide-dwarf-warhammer-gif-23354885

[plush tendon]

like Warhammer Dwarves are sick

[unkempt hatch]

What are the dwarf yells like?

[strong forum]

Dwarf best fantasy race in any universe where they exist

[crude notch]

Just time a 30

[unkempt hatch]

I just don’t like dwarfs 🙈😂

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[daring marlin]

Impossible without you

[strong forum]

I don't like orc or tauren aesthetic either

[daring marlin]

Tauren hands are what bug me

Hooves>troll feet

[plush tendon]

I dont like races that cant wear shoes

[unkempt hatch]

I like tall Bois

[daring marlin]

troll feet are just weird

[unkempt hatch]

Nelf is dope

I like elves

[daring marlin]

Otherwise I'd be a zandalari on some characters

[unkempt hatch]

Zandalari look damn good in plate sets

[daring marlin]

I considered making my df pally a dorf for the heritage then they released the dope human heritage 😏

[strong forum]

Not in games for me, weirdly enough

[outer dew]

You're already optimistic thinking we timing 7's

🤪

[daring marlin]

[unkempt hatch]

In game, out of game

Tall is the way to go

[strong forum]

Im slightly above average tall irl, don't need to be that in game

[crude notch]

i play gnome to equal out my irl height

[strong forum]

Reverse compensating

Need to play short and wide small guy

[unkempt hatch]

Lol

Fair enough

[daring marlin]

brick shithouse tank

stout murder machine

[unkempt hatch]

Vulpera warrior

For the flips!

[daring marlin]

delete

[unkempt hatch]

😂😂

Dwarf do feel turbo good for the coming Dg rotation

Extra help with nasty disease/poison/bleeds 😭

[plush tendon]

it was useful this tier

and the crit damage is big stonks

but, realistically, you dont need to play a race for a racial unless you pushing like world first level content;

[unkempt hatch]

Yeah for sure. I think for now ill chill with my warrior how he is

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf racial is only really relevant for the type of player who wants more control over living

For your average slap buttons 16 player

It does not matter at all

[modern brook]

[unkempt hatch]

Hey, that’s me! Hahaha I just press buttons

I chill and just vibe

[plush tendon]

that goes all the way up to like slap buttons +24 player tbh

[old sinew]

[dusky canopy]

I mean that’s fair too

Just shows how pretty irrelevant racials are

Play what you fancy lol

[short yoke]

Hey y'all, any 10.1 BIS lists yet?

[plush tendon]

I level

trinkets is wait and see, but prob raid trinkets

[torn gulch]

Over all except certain trinkets and the back

Back looks bis for everyone

[plush tendon]

hard to beat full primary and more secondary stats at the cost of stamina

[torn gulch]

The effect is that powerfull

And it has like 65% uptime

[plush tendon]

its a super rare item also... so good luck tanks getting it given to them

gotta pray from vault

[torn gulch]

Yea people will rage so hard

And trinket from neltharion looks good

Crit plus giga main stat

[plush tendon]

excited for next tier... but I gotta make the hardest decision.... War or DK for raid

[daring marlin]

DK

[plush tendon]

theres the special sword I could get as a DK

[daring marlin]

exactly

[plush tendon]

but what about raid trinkets D:

I also could be forced on War though cause seems like the other warrior is going Paladin

oh well, guess I gear both and convince my RL that I need to raid with both toons

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-smile-gif-21330039

for the "guild"

[unkempt hatch]

Why dk over warrior?

[daring marlin]

COOL SWORD

and DK is usually giga in raid

[unkempt hatch]

Just loot boss in fury and keep for a rainy day

Keep all loot to self!

[urban bane]

man blood dk down bad though

[unkempt hatch]

I’m DK main now, looking at warrior for 10.1 to change it up

[urban bane]

I was doing some ptr testing they were like 10k damage below prot

that was with the sword

[plush tendon]

BDK damage has been pretty piss poor

even during this tier in terms of damage

[urban bane]

piss poo, too xd

[plush tendon]

but for raid, they seem to be bonkers for the last couple of bosses

in terms of tankiness or just immuning things (looking at you Broodkeeper!)

[urban bane]

Yeah i dont really get the tuning philosophy of that. like im sure im making an initial mistake by looking for internal logic in blizz balance but if it is bcuz they are so self-sufficient and that means they cant do as much damage like...

paladin out there, for one

[plush tendon]

Paladin is just a outlier right now

I wouldnt want to be them tbh

they in the crosshairs

[urban bane]

Also they fixed a couple of the immune cheeses DK could do iirc. Like on rashok and whatnot

[plush tendon]

well I dont PTR

so well find out in due time XD

just from what historically has been the case, there is always something on a wall or last boss where DK just cheeses the F out of it

[daring marlin]

BUT IT'S SO FUN DUDE

[plush tendon]

oh, I have one

[daring marlin]

I intend to main pinkman in 10.1 I think.

Prot/Ret just feel great. The extra range, dude!

[plush tendon]

been playing my paladin since the start of the expac before the flavor bois came

[urban bane]

also idk man if you have a st raid unsure why youd bring blood dk in the first place. maybe for grips on zskarn for the constructs but

[plush tendon]

but I wouldnt want to be the OP OP class where people are gunning to take you down

rather be 2 or 3

[daring marlin]

When I'm on my Warrior now I feel the shit melee range!

[strong forum]

nobody wants to be #1

especially not class discords

[daring marlin]

I always play all the plate melee

[plush tendon]

a fellow chad I see

Plate for me all day every day

made that decision S1 of Shadowlands

[daring marlin]

hell yeah bro

[plush tendon]

[unkempt hatch]

Ret feels so goooood

[plush tendon]

yea, people liking ret

[unkempt hatch]

I started on prot Pally 10.0 but swapped to DK because VoTI was as just easier on DK vs Pally

[plush tendon]

screwed around with it a bit

they did a good job

[daring marlin]

Arms is super fun.

[plush tendon]

Arms has always been fun though

[daring marlin]

...in a coordinated group with big pulls

[plush tendon]

Ret was like poop till the rework

[daring marlin]

feels bad in pugs with weird, inconsistent pulls.

[plush tendon]

oh 100%

pugs fury is the way

[daring marlin]

Ret didn't do bad damage it just had too much fucking bloat

So it felt so fucking bad

[plush tendon]

100%

I wont play a spec if it doesnt play well... even if the numbies are there

[unkempt hatch]

Yeah fluid>damage

[plush tendon]

its why I havnt tried monk yet

just way too many buttons

[unkempt hatch]

I have tried monk, and thought about raiding on monk for 10.1

But it’s just a lot.

[sick sentinel]

do dis ring be good for le prot

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[tender carbon]

Anyone know the approximate uptime of last stand with that change? Or rather what the cooldown goes down to?

[strong forum]

60-70sec with bolster assuming you press SS good

~1.5min without bolster

so youre fairly close to BFA pwar with that

[unkempt hatch]

Weren’t pwars good in bfa?

I’m a new warrior

[torpid fiber]

They were insane in bfa

[strong forum]

we're currently better than we were in BFA

what i meant with that is, is that LS CDR is similar to as if it was on AM again

[modern brook]

👢 🍵 👏

wait

thre we go

[cinder nova]

Wait

we aren't stompy meta tho, I mean we are but we aren't.

It's not like BV TL which was bonkers

I assume with bolster and LS being so much more present that taking UF is probably a must?

Or is that a jebait

[strong forum]

?

you dont have enough talent points to get it

you cant even afford spellblock without dropping another major talent

how do you expect to squeeze in unnerving

[plush tendon]

wtb tier set that gives extra talent points

[strong forum]

it would unironically be massive for us

[modern brook]

my emoji line was more reminiscing than any statement of the current state of the class

[cinder nova]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVARpRQVBBNVUVVREUFRYVVQCVA

Would this not actually work?

I almost never use defender/imp on raid prog

Only on fights where there's just unrepentant sums of tank damage.

[mighty valley]

is UF actually more rage gen than wall

[cinder nova]

I mean, I know, but you use it more for cdr

The rage is def nice tho

[mighty valley]

sure, but someone's gotta double check the math that you're not giving away better rage gen + upside for worse rage gen

[cinder nova]

I'm sure Nom can crunch the numbers to determine if the bolster uptime equates to more rage than the 3 per slam you get

[plush tendon]

I feel like in raid next tier, you may be able to drop the extra 2 seconds of SB uptime

[cinder nova]

I cba I'm on a 6.5 hr flight so you apes can lick my bridge

[strong forum]

for what

[plush tendon]

im not sure though

[strong forum]

imp wall is WAY

more rage than instigate

what are you doing

[cinder nova]

Yeah but it's less damage

[strong forum]

??

[cinder nova]

My sims never show me Imp wall as higher dps but I could be stupid

[strong forum]

the diff should be disgustingly minimal

imp wall increases SS rage gen by 20%

[cinder nova]

then dropping one for UF might be valuable if we can divest ourselves of the rage fast enough, no?

idk mate sim it and see I can't really do a lot flying over the pacific, but all my parsing and sims show dropping Imp wall was an up

[strong forum]

thats what im doing rn yes

[cinder nova]

👍 good im too dumb to and I'm already like 3 cocktails deep

Also with this you are dropping BB which could have a larger impact than may be readily apparently

probably less fucks given in ST

And it's also dropping nails

so like i unno

My reflex was brace but I forgot it was a fuckload of slam damage and block so

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/t4Yw3jg.png

ye so like 70dps gain currently

with bolster*

[cinder nova]

70 DPS gain and smoother play

🧠

[strong forum]

less smooth

cuz no impenetrable

so less CDs

[cinder nova]

I dunno I never have rage issues without imp but maybe I'm a potato

[urban bane]

how is more rage only during a cooldown more smooth lol

[strong forum]

you dont have rage issues

but its not about it being an issue

more is always better

also how the fuck do i sim 60k

[cinder nova]

You can probably dumpster indom for imp if you wanted to sweat

[strong forum]

what happened

i dont even have my ST trinkets equipped

[cinder nova]

did the recent ptr buff on tier go through or

[strong forum]

this is my live character

on retail

[cinder nova]

Does that not factor the uptime from 10.1

[strong forum]

is without t30 stuff as of rn, yes

[cinder nova]

That's what I mean then

I'm assuming we want UF with tier since LS is gonna get stacks of CDR

[strong forum]

potentially

but id rather drop instigate than imp wall

[cinder nova]

Coward

Probably for the best

[strong forum]

if you want to really go ham

drop indom for UF

if you keep indom, then youre a coward

[cinder nova]

I mean do you think we'll need it with the level of uptime we'll have? More importantly, do you think we'll even need Enduring?

This feels like we could go full dumbass and take massacre

I mean, as long as you're not smoothbrain hitting block on CD anyway

[strong forum]

in raid you can drop ED

youll have enough uptime without it in raid

[cinder nova]

Yeah I'm looking at this from a raid perspective because M+ parses are less obvious and don't give me the same buzz

[strong forum]

idk raid parsing has so many factors that arent depending on me

i guess the same goes for m+. but it averages out better in there

[cinder nova]

I actually like that this tier is shaking up the edges of our builds potentially

[strong forum]

raid parsing is all about a good killtime and getting to pad on adds if the boss has em

[cinder nova]

I'm ready for a new meme

[strong forum]

and even with shit killtimes you can get top 10 parses

kinda cringe

[cinder nova]

Dude almost all my 99s in the last 3 tiers have been sweating like an animal because my raid has no DPS and our killtimes are slower than old people fuck

So honestly anything that lets me be a complete bonobo is fine by me

[strong forum]

i got fucking r6 eranog with a 3min killtimer

and a r10 or smth on council despite a 1-2min slower killtimer

isa yoke

i didnt even play that well

[cinder nova]

I think my r1 - r5 spots in SFO during S4 and S3 were all super long QQ

[strong forum]

if i had gotten a 2min kill on council like the r1 i'd've easily shat on his dps, its so dumb

[cinder nova]

Whatever happened to that one draenei pwarr that clowned the meters in sfo

He was EU and just shit all over everyone

[strong forum]

okay new parses on council are a bit higher good

last i checked you had r1 with only 137k

but now its 150k, thats better

[cinder nova]

huge numbies

[strong forum]

ring + killtime

[cinder nova]

Can we even sim t30 yet

[strong forum]

sims should be updated

[cinder nova]

try the build on t30 see how it hangs

[strong forum]

nothing changes except t30 is enabled to use LS on cd if t30 2pc equipped

[cinder nova]

But what about the cdr

[strong forum]

what about it

[cinder nova]

Does that not have an appreciable imapct?

[strong forum]

well yeah but i mean the apl doesnt change

it changes nothing rotationally

except you use LS

its just bigger number on sims, nothing else

[cinder nova]

I just figured you'd be interested in seeing the UF build on t30 rather than live

I know i am

[strong forum]

im not in a rush

[cinder nova]

REEEE

[strong forum]

mwahi is writing the t30 profile

he'll have some numbers

im bing chilling

[cinder nova]

@ionic fern push buttons faster, wrinklebrain
us Cro Magnons want numbies

[ionic fern]

no.

[cinder nova]

[strong forum]

about tree fiddy

here are current numbers

but not for t30

[cinder nova]

oh wow no indom is huge deeps

actual talk, though, I'm genuinely curious if we're gonna need Indom on fights where there's not a lot of magic

Because if we're absolutely bursting with rage we can probably make due with CDs and IP

But that's entirely speculative

[strong forum]

can work, we have like 12% leech

but the gain is legit 1% dps

not worth the hassle of feeling weaker if you ask me

there are bigger factors than this 1 talent

[ionic fern]

Never giving up INdom.

On progress.

On 2nd kill? Sure.

[cinder nova]

Well, again, that's more from the w/o T30 perspective.

[strong forum]

that talent point

[cinder nova]

More LS = more dam

[strong forum]

wont change in %

also youll probably/maybe talent into fbv

so you have an additional healing source in that

[cinder nova]

No my healers can suffer

Also how much healing could it possibly do in most ST raid encounters?

I feel like BrV would still kick it into the ground and laugh at it

[grizzled kite]

Is BSV worth it for adds on Diurna?

I thought the general opinion was that BSV is shite?

[ionic fern]

BSV is bug

Is bad.

No bueno

[patent gorge]

We stickin with Lariat in 10.1?

[strong forum]

as r1 protwarrior (at the time dunno if still the case) Skillsclap put it, "he deliberately procs BSV 3min early to ensure he has it for the exact moment when he plans on needing it because it procs instantly after the CD comes back up" he only used it for 1 extreme example of doing a 12 wolf pull in 27HoV to gather the pull, thats his absolute and probably the only valid usecase of it ever in all of wow

[strong forum]

very likely

BSV is not a safety net soft cheat death talent, if youre doing high enough content it will proc immediately on pull or if you get hit by any attack that will do more dmg than an auto attack even if youre at 100% hp

[grizzled kite]

thanks Nom, always good to hear the reasoning

[cinder nova]

I wonder why they haven't fixed it yet

[sees blizz making crisis maps]

[warm plinth]

They should have just made it an actual cheat death if they wanted us to ever use it. At least then we could maybe recommend it as a comfort pick for newbies

Or for giga high keys or something as a safety net

[strong forum]

according to blizz its fixed

so its just a shit talent

[cinder nova]

Lol what

[strong forum]

its working as intended but the intention is shit

it would be good if it was like paladin cheat or an actual cheat death

but as it is rn, even if it only procced at 30% or below it would be mid af

[edgy kindle]

Hmmmm, so, for raid we're gonna still use the ring all patch long (provided they don't nerf it)

[plush tendon]

Needs to work like dh meta

[strong forum]

yes

youll not replace this ring in raid all of next tier

[edgy kindle]

Oki, ty very much ❤️

[warm plinth]

The very least they could do is make the reduction dynamic like WotN is

[strong forum]

same as grieftorch btw

if you have a grieftorch itll still remain bis next patch for raid

[warm plinth]

But I guess it doesn't matter if you don't have to drop below 30% to proc it

[strong forum]

my suspicion is, is thats the intention

[edgy kindle]

That one I dont have Sadge

[warm plinth]

Are you talking about annulet?

re: ring being kept

[strong forum]

annulet and grieftorch remain bis for raid

[warm plinth]

Okay I figured as much

Though I think I remember them saying they'd nerf annulet if it was still that good compared to raid gear next season

[mighty valley]

yeah i think they're committing to not nerfing in like, the first few weeks of raiding or anything

but can easily imagine it being nerfed in 9.1.5 or even earlier

[warm plinth]

Back to Shadowlands!

[shut summit]

There are now no plans to nerf the Onyx Annulet and Primordial Stones until at least 10.1.5 from ion interview

so ye

[warm plinth]

Oh, good shit

[mighty valley]

i'm old, my brain don't work good

[warm plinth]

Same though

[near steppe]

Black temple is the only i genualy like

[unkempt hatch]

I wish I had the tokens to get the legion aegis cosmetic

Is not bad. Pair it with thunder fury (which I also don’t have) and would be good combo

[old sinew]

... really? like only in a raid setting I assume? That seems... sus. Grieftorch is better than beacon? I dunno about that

I can't imagine that being true in M+

[old sinew]

that's from WoWhead right? Because even then the context in the conversation seemed to imply even later than that, that they'd be fine with is being BIS through the remainder of the season 2 tier

[grizzled kite]

-10 key levels next patch

[old sinew]

WoWhead is really cooked in terms of translating the actual interview content to text

There's been literally zero mention of Mythic Mythic Plus in any of WoWhead's articles about the interviews even though it has been talked about it 3 times at this point

[sleek python]

Does the 2pc bonus change our rotation? I read somewhere that once i have the 4pc bonus i should use revenge every other gcd to keep the buff up. Not sure if good or garbage advice, pls help

[daring marlin]

You should clip what you're talking about then because I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

The only mention of it that I've seen is from you.

[old sinew]

There a post on WoW general about it with some clips

Community council interview, max interview, and I forget the most recent one

[daring marlin]

I don't recall Morgan referring to it as "mythic mythic plus" but I do recall him suggested they were thinking about 20+ keys potentially getting more affixes. Sorta mixed on that. lol

Different affixes/mechanics would definitely be preferable to stupid infinite scaling, though.

[near steppe]

Since im only pugging +20 is my roof. The scaling/reward after that isnt atractive for me to stress about with 4 random guys who will not do the process of learn>improve>try again

[old sinew]

He definitely did, jokingly but he said it twice.

I’m at thf park with doggos but I can link timestanpd whr. I get back

[old sinew]

He proposed two options one was more dungeon/boss mechanic and the other was either an affix or seasonal style affix like encrypted that comes online at 21

[old sinew]

https://youtu.be/MQVifSzOiYY?t=794 here's the first time he talks about it in this video. he talks about it again a second time in this game video, I'll see if I can get the time stamp for the second bit. where they talk about having different dungeon mechanics or boss mechanics

and then its referred to in another 2 interviews

[old sinew]

https://youtu.be/Jlp0xSk4k-U?t=2041

there's 2 other clips floating around where its talked about

[old sinew]

https://youtu.be/MQVifSzOiYY?t=1940

spamming videos a bit but you asked for clips so... ya. anywho, none of this is included in any wowhead articles at all

[daring marlin]

This is the interview I watched and not one time in it did he say "mythic mythic plus".

[old sinew]

okay well

I linked 2 clips

[daring marlin]

Which is exactly what I said

[old sinew]

okay I thought you were saying you didn't know what I was talking about

anywho there's 1 more clip floating around tbh I don't really feel like hunting it down but there's a 4th clip from a 3rd interview so its very much on their radar there's n oshot they talk about this that much and it isn't something we're going to get, which is just so strange that it isn't mentioned anywhere

🤷‍♂️

most likely not in season 3 but probably their experimental season 4 season or maybe season 5 if somehow we get a 10.3 (X doubt tho)

[hazy hazel]

Why do i feel like dark slashes are 10x harder to avoid?

[grizzled kite]

Dark slashes?

[warm plinth]

Because the mob moves while casting it. You need a significant slow or an almost full on kite to avoid them.

That one and dark claw are both the same in that they're much harder to avoid than the other mechanics that we typically outrange

because the mob still moves

[mighty valley]

i can't remember if they cast faster than e.g. arcing slash or if it just feels like it due to moving

[warm plinth]

It's the same cast time, but yeah seems faster because they're moving

[hazy hazel]

Maybe im just used to having the slows on them and didnt for this 21. 2 of them double slapped me with 3 stacks of bolstering

[warm plinth]

tl;dr:
Catalyst opens June 13th (5 weeks after patch, 4 weeks after raid)
Raid boss vaults now open based on latest boss killed. e.g. if you kill Broodkeeper, you unlock all bosses in the vault prior to her as well even if you haven't killed them.
Keystone drop is actually 9 levels, not 10 (would be 10 if you didn't time your highest key next week though).

[sick sentinel]

hmmmm, sounds like they want to change parry

[unkempt hatch]

The boss change is kind of bad for higher end players, just coming from VoTI where high end groups would skip bad loot bosses on reclear for Alts to target better items.

Which I mean is bad

[warm plinth]

Yeah, kinda better for less hardcore people though since if they get benched but are in for a later boss, they won't necessarily miss out on the other boss's loot

[unkempt hatch]

Like groups shouldn’t skip bosses to avoid their loot tables

I just hope this raid is fun. I’m bored with tanking VoTI

I also hope I’m luckier than I have been drop wise 🙈😂

[old sinew]

nah not really

they just mean like if they design a fight likre sire where you need to soak in front they'll make him not parry in p1

otherwise they seem like they like parry the way it works, attack boss from behind and jacuzzi boss has no parry

in fact they've said before they really like the fantasy of like, tank in the front, DPS attacking the leg of the dragon but not directly behind it, etc

[warm plinth]

Yeah there's already bosses that can't parry

Generally fights like Fallen Avatar where you have no real choice but to hit him in the front

[old sinew]

yeah they used the phrase jacuzzi boss for any boss that's like, you're fighting up to his torso or whatever. kromog, presumably some boss in the current raid (magros or something?)

[warm plinth]

Oh really? That's a funny phrase, I hadn't heard that one XD

[old sinew]

it looks pretty cool at least. I do kind of want to raid but like... the problem with raiding is you have to raid with ppl

I'd love to do a 10-man raid to just like, do in and get teir and get the heroic version of trinkets and farm the heroic cloak every week but I really don't want to do mythic at all, Mythic is just so cringe in my opinion, at least after SoD and SFO

I can't do it

I do wonder if the new upgrading to Mythic ilvl for heroic loot drops will restore 10-man style guilds tho. Just like chill vibes early AOTC shit and then slam M+ the rest of the patch

[warm plinth]

I'd like to slam you the rest of the patch

gottem

[old sinew]

why does

okayge

has a thumbs up here

[warm plinth]

Because you know you want to thumbs up that comment

[old sinew]

[unkempt hatch]

Heroic casual raid groups are where it’s att

Mythic makes me sick

[warm plinth]

where what's at

😏

[slim dove]

[old sinew]

yeah the problem is like some RL friends said they were going to raid in DF and do casual AOTC... and then just didn't

they're raiding ulduar right now 🤢

oh actually the hot new thing is classic hardcore. my brother and his wife and some mutual friends are doing that

actually a meme I don't get it

[unkempt hatch]

Yeah ewww. I was fortunate enough to find a casual guild in SL and started season 1 as first time raid tank

RL is tank, and no one else wanted to tank. Our one tank from SL swapped to dps

So I was like sure I’ll try. We already had a surplus of healers and I was a healer main in SL

[strong forum]

you dont like spending even more time leveling and lose 60hrs+++ amount of investment when your tank didnt press taunt?

[unkempt hatch]

Hard mode is stupid to me

Like why waste so much time

Death is part of the game lol

[warm plinth]

idk it's the same concept as hardcore in D3

It's just an extra challenge

[timber terrace]

Idk how you can complain about heroic being boring then say mythic is bad, on most fights mythic is clearly the intended design and heroic is a watered down version of it that doesn't always make sense by itself

[unkempt hatch]

I’m bored with heroic because we have been clearing it for weeks at this point. The issue is the group I play with is most of them aren’t mythic capable, so we chill in heroic even past AOTC so it just feels repetitive

Probably even myself included, I don’t know if I could make it past mythic first 3-4 bosses

[slim dove]

i stopped clearing heroic like...week 2?

how tf have you been doing it for the last 5 months

[timber terrace]

Well the first 4 bosses are pretty much high tuned and punishing heroic bosses, the last ones are when you need to start having a different vision of the game and some coordination but to me that's what makes the game worth playing, if bosses aren't offering you a challenge then you're pretty much playing wow classic

[old sinew]

yeah. heroic Sunking vs Mythic Sunking was like... when you do heroic you're like why does this fight exist, then you do it on mythic and it all makes sense. That said, mythic raiding as in having to raid in a mythic guild with neckbeards is kind of yucky. And I'm disappointed Ion confirmed they have no intention of changing the systems that encourage mythic raiding t obe crigne

[slim dove]

mythic raiding doesn't have to be cringe what

neckbeards?

bruh my guild is all dads/moms and fitness freaks

[old sinew]

CLEAR COMMS

[slim dove]

[warm plinth]

which one are you

[timber terrace]

Mythic raiding doesn't mean much by itself you're not gonna have the same experience in a top 50 guild or a world 2500 guild, and even with guilds at the same hours and ranks it can be wildly different

[old sinew]

CLEAR COMMS

[slim dove]

pretty obvious you have some weird bias

[slim dove]

the fitness freak

[old sinew]

Just my experience.

[warm plinth]

do you do meal planning and all that

[slim dove]

yeah but mostly out of necessity, i work 10-14 hour days so i only get time to cook on weekends really

[old sinew]

I started Mythic Raiding in SL. CN was fine but progression was was too slow, hopped a couple hundred guild ranks, guild started getting more cringe, hopped a couple hundred guild ranks, the raid wa slike giga cringe I just said okay unless there's some light at the end of the tunnel and we get out of thise nose dive I'm out. And then I just decided... nah I don't want to keep going down this tunnel I don't want to raid several more tiers and progress in guild rank to just start getting into guilds that are both good and fun, so I said nah, I'm an M+ Andy now

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/IDj3.gif

[slim dove]

1 carb + 1 meat + 1 veg in everything. I rotate pasta/potatoes/rice with pork/beef and brocc/carrots/cabbage

[warm plinth]

I would just have to figure out what to do with the vegetable thing

[old sinew]

like ya Painsmith was fun but honestly on that same note Painsmith was fun for me because I only did like 35 pulls. Guild I was in pulled the boss 486 times. YIKES miss me with that. I was putting up purple parses by like 10th pull (I mean yeah purple isn't crazy high but whatever my point is there's no shot it takes 500 pulls to learn)

[warm plinth]

Most vegetables make me gag

[old sinew]

sadge

[slim dove]

486 is a bit absurd.

id run hearing that number.

[timber terrace]

How do you take 500 pulls to kill painsmith my guild was casual and it took like 90

[old sinew]

I mean I don't want to dox them but there's a website that tracks number of pulls for kills as well as overtime police etc

[slim dove]

Can try meal replacement shit like Greens but they're costly.

[old sinew]

I only had to be in 35 pulls or so for the kill so yeah I dunno it was fine. Although then fatescribe was icky too and didn't even kill KT because painsmith took up so much of the tier for them lol

[timber terrace]

Also m+ doesn't cut it for me it's not nearly as satisfying as good mythic bosses, the key level might go up but it's still the same lame mechanics

[old sinew]

I definitely think the ability to extend raids is cringe and facilitates the existence of dog-ass guilds that shouldn't be raiding at that level but it is what it is

[old sinew]

if you say so bub

I love M+

doing cut-off keys

🤷‍♂️

in fact how can you say M+ isn't satisfying as a TANK. If you're a DPS that's one thing but raid tanking is fucking residentsleeper

M+ tanking >>> raid tanking

not even close

[grizzled kite]

[timber terrace]

Also half your focus being drained by kicks and stops

[old sinew]

like people pretty openly roast raid-only tanks

[slim dove]

i just heal now

[timber terrace]

It just feels like a chore

[grizzled kite]

play whatever makes you have the most fun, stop worrying about "roasts"

[old sinew]

I mean, I do, I'm just saying that saying M+ isn't satisfying is just... weirdge

[slim dove]

prot war legit boring as fuck, cba leveling ppal, rdruid with mop CM armor just tempting me all the damn time

[grizzled kite]

this season wasn't very fun because of shit dungeons

[slim dove]

^

[old sinew]

cooked take. AA was lit. RLP was pretty good too

[slim dove]

i loved running cos/sbg just to fucking reroll my keys

[grizzled kite]

I mean we could sit here and discuss subjective opinions all day but none of us are going to be right at the end of the day

do whatevz

[unkempt hatch]

Same 🙈😭

[timber terrace]

I do keys as high as I need to do to gear up as early as I can but pushing past that while fully geared and doing a dungeon you did 100 times already is about as fun as watching paint dry to me

[daring marlin]

This is de way

except pork

yuck pork

[grizzled kite]

love me some bacon

[daring marlin]

I just have turkey bacon instead

pork is dirty

[slim dove]

pork is fine

learn to cook it

[grizzled kite]

Medieval thinking

[daring marlin]

I cook it fine

[slim dove]

very fine line between dry as fuck and raw

[daring marlin]

I'm good with the 93% ground beef and chicken

gainz

[slim dove]

obviously not if you think its yuck

[daring marlin]

and copious amounts of eggs

[slim dove]

chicken is omega expensive where im at so i've cut it entirely.

[daring marlin]

yo fuck that lol

I'd be pissed

[warm plinth]

i do love me some eggs

[slim dove]

🤷 i stopped eating for taste a long time ago outside of the odd meal out with friends/gf

[daring marlin]

breakfast is usually a pound of blueberries and 6-8 eggs

[warm plinth]

Did you know that monks in the 16-1700s used to sprinkle ash on their food when they would be taken in by people during traveling so that they didn't enjoy their food?

[slim dove]

pretty based

[daring marlin]

weird

[old sinew]

to be fair its kind of clever, its like... you can't really be accused of exploiting their hospitality if you make the food disgusting for yourself.

[warm plinth]

I think the purpose was mostly because they weren't allowed to partake in "worldy pleasures" which included enjoying food

[old sinew]

Well I just go and think of canterbery tales and how depiction of the fat greedy monk tanking advantage and say well, y'know, that type of activity would help counter some of that stigma if they saw the monks, y'know, not enjoying the food

I'm not sure how the timeline of things lines up just a thought

[violet flume]

Is there a list somewhere of the BiS timewalking gear? Kinda feel like absolutely devastating timewalking content

i figure stufff like BFA neck with azerite powers, BFA legendary cloak, perhaps some OP proc weapon etc

[warm plinth]

Like bis to wear to do timewalking?

[old sinew]

sounds like it

[violet flume]

ya

[old sinew]

lists are probably out of day with respect to like.. not everything scales properly

[warm plinth]

There is a google doc; I'm trying to find it for you

[old sinew]

some stuff is still squished

[violet flume]

some isnt properly, i tried some gems and i saw a strenght gem taht gave me as much strenght as my item gave me

so technically you can double your strenght if you got a full set of socketed gear

[warm plinth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQOVnQcmWH4zlESlxKNKkW5oWF10nmcFEai4HGufG1GswGVVXmzOBulJKs0KMQQrsIX_oLp8ppYY34i/pubhtml

[violet flume]

thanks a lot man

[fallow osprey]

bis gear is probably all +speed cuz of how quick everything dies and all the time spent moving pack to pack lol

[sudden sable]

Has anyone personally experienced a haste breakpoint at which you can run ITF and still get 100% SB uptime? I want to make the switch as I love the zug, but I don't know how to sim this properly to find out :/

[warm plinth]

You need over 35% haste before talents

Or you have to run Bolster

Which we will be running next season once we have tier

[sudden sable]

Gotcha. I've been running bolster as is to prime myself for next patch. Swapping off the pal to warrior for 10.1. won't catch me playing the meta lolol

[warm plinth]

That's a new one

[uneven mason]

Warriors still too meta for me, maiming druid for s2

[inner trellis]

hi guys, hella new to the game (started like a week and a half ago) and having a blast with prot warrior. When luring large packs of mobs what do you use to build rage as soon as possible to start popping your CDs? A friend of mine that's helping me start out told me I should even pop avatar on mobs, basically use it off cd however I find myself being really conservative with it

[urban portal]

yes

[urban bane]

use avatar almost always on cd. it is big dammies, good threat, and with unstoppable force decent rage gen (use tclap every other global pretty much)

[urban portal]

press CDs on CD

[warm plinth]

Always charge into packs, and Avatar has like a 35 second CD if you're playing properly (once you're high enough level to get Anger Management in the spec tree)

All offensive CDs should be used on cooldown and you want to use Demo Shout (once in range of the mobs) before Thunderous Roar, Ravager, and Shield Charge.

Demo Shout will also give you 30 rage

(once you're high enough level for Booming Voice)

[dusky canopy]

@plush tendon !!!!!!!!!!

All we had to do was talk about it today

POG

[warm plinth]

pog

great mog for dorf

[plush tendon]

looking good!

[inner trellis]

Yeah Im level 70 right now, I just struggled a bit with a few Timewalks cause I wasnt able to build rage as soon as possible and literally got 100 to 0'ed in seconds lol

[dusky canopy]

fuck yes dude

I'm stoked

dwarf mog inc 10.1

[inner trellis]

Cause my mentality is like "if I use it in this pack of mobs i may not have it up for the boss" which is probably dumb

[warm plinth]

I'm race changing to dwarf as well once 10.1 hits

Well, in Timewalking, it really makes 0 difference when you do/don't have CDs

[dusky canopy]

Hard agree with noms dorf statements

[warm plinth]

And in more difficult content, a trash pack is gonna last 30+ seconds anyway

[dusky canopy]

theyre literall BiS in fantasy settings

[warm plinth]

So you should have Avatar pretty much every pull once you've got the rotation down

[inner trellis]

Also how often do you wanna use Revenge? I need to stop the habit of using it a lot ASAP LOL

[warm plinth]

It should be your primary rage dump

[dusky canopy]

honestly using it alot is a good habit

[warm plinth]

With IP coming in when it's not enough by itself to prevent overcapping.

[dusky canopy]

people have a bad habit of over pressing IP

[warm plinth]

Realistically the only time you should not be pressing Revenge is if it'll cause you to drop Shield Block due to lack of rage.

[inner trellis]

Yeah

I should always prioritize Shield Block over Ignore Pain?

[fresh igloo]

yes

shield block should be up for any hit you take, and also boosts your shield slam damage done.

ignore pain is for burning rage so you don't over cap

[warm plinth]

IP is a rage dump button when Revenge can't prevent you from overcapping by itself. Situationally you'll want to stack IP for a big hit (commonly called a tankbuster) but in general it's just a last resort to dump rage when you can't prevent overcapping with Revenge alone.

You will still press IP a lot, don't get me wrong

But Revenge should take precedence for the most part.

[remote venture]

Remeber kids, dumping Rage will make our Avatar cd go down faster

[ionic fern]

Not if you don't play Avatar/AM.

[remote venture]

Based build

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hello Ghash, ily.

[remote venture]

Good morning everyone

[warm plinth]

Good morning Ganfar

[scenic mural]

so at the start of 10.1 do we need to do anything to make our crafteds go to 421 or will it be automatic

[warm plinth]

It'll be automatic.

[misty moss]

Any reason to craft before the upgrade? I have a spare spark I was saving in case the embellishments change

[ionic fern]

There's a new spark coming anyways that you will need for new gear.

So just use it now.

Imo.

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have no idea if you can use the new embellishments on S1 gear anyway

[scarlet mesa]

hello friends

how bad is my friends talent build?

[warm plinth]

Very

Like very very

[scarlet mesa]

I felt as much with them losing aggro all the time

😢

[warm plinth]

Is this a key build or a raid build

[scarlet mesa]

yes?

[warm plinth]

😬

There are builds for each in the pins.

[scarlet mesa]

for the record

i dont tank

[warm plinth]

Tbf, I'd still say gameplay is his major problem

[scarlet mesa]

i just wanna see how bad the build is

[warm plinth]

The talent changes will help but he's still gotta press the buttons

[scarlet mesa]

as soon as I saw he didnt take double charge i was sad

and true

[warm plinth]

Like he has some really really big important talents missing in that build on both trees

[pallid quiver]

It's a good thing you're taking aggro, tbh, because they'd probably be dead otherwise

[warm plinth]

[scarlet mesa]

LOL

[warm plinth]

Miru is out here taking one for the team lul

To be honest, a monkey can tank LFR

[pallid quiver]

Well
If I can solo tank like, almost every fight I've hit on Normal,

[scarlet mesa]

idk how tanking works in wow

i just know I dont want to be in tank jail again

[pallid quiver]

Raid tanking is you press damage buttons, press a defensive CD if you feel like it, and go to bed

[scarlet mesa]

right

i forgot, raid tank boring

[grizzled kite]

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, I don't even need to see a log or anything, that friend has issues with the base design of the class just off their talent choices alone

[scarlet mesa]

what do you mean sudden death over... longer shield wall is bad?

why is that even a split option

one is obviously shit

[pallid quiver]

Sudden Death in theory isn't bad

[scarlet mesa]

my tanking experience is from ESO, so I can't claim to know

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, like the biggest offender is a lack of Enduring Defenses

[scarlet mesa]

ESO tanking sure is something(its bad)

[pallid quiver]

That shores up every last Shield Block button you can press on the class, which is our key defensive ability

In fact, they skipped like half of the Shield Block talents in the chase for "muh dam"

I'm wagering they think they're sacrificing survivability for damage so they can keep aggro, which is the wrong thinking. Rather, they need to just press their buttons

Just Ravager -> Demo -> Shield Charge should hold a pack as long as you press something on your keyboard, and that's not even all your buttons to slap on pull

It's not even all of your damage CDs, either

[warm plinth]

Like he has no Enduring Defenses, he has no Violent Outburst, he has no Rend, no Blood & Thunder, no Booming Voice, no Battering Ram, no 1-hand weapon specialization, the wrong TR talent, no Crushing Force

[scarlet mesa]

i mean I felt like I should have known something was wrong when they told me it was the healers fault they couldnt survive

[pallid quiver]

Outside of literally like 5 abilities, we are so chilling

Literally 5 abilities

[warm plinth]

Like 1-hand weapon specialization alone is literally 5% damage and 5% leech for 1 talent point. It's idiotic not to take it.

[scarlet mesa]

i was given the impression this was the hardest tank actually

[pallid quiver]

exact opposite

[warm plinth]

It used to be honestly

But it's very easy now

[pallid quiver]

It was only the hardest in SL S3/S4

[warm plinth]

Like if you play the right talents, it's idiotproof as long as you press buttons

[pallid quiver]

when we were sleeper busted

[scarlet mesa]

its been a rough timewalking session

[pallid quiver]

But now the spec is very simple. You blow CDs, follow priority of Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge, dump rage with IP, rinse repeat

[warm plinth]

With Champion's Bulwark, Enduring Defense, and Heavy Repercussions, the only way you drop Shield Block is not pressing it.

[scarlet mesa]

oh they dont have enchants

[pallid quiver]

If they're tanking Timewalking, you should all be dead and they just keep going to the next boss

[warm plinth]

I did MoP timewalking on my warrior a few weeks ago

[pallid quiver]

Can literally solo the mass pulls and bosses, even on War

[warm plinth]

I soloed the 2nd boss wing enitrely in TJS

entirely*

Because I didn't know you could skip it so everyone else went the other way

[pallid quiver]

just wait until you get shanked tho

them lizards in palace don't give a shit if you don't backstep 'em

[warm plinth]

Yeah shank is fuckin stupid lol

literally chain 5 sec stuns

[pallid quiver]

You can range 'em

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know

But if you mess up, you can easily just be stunned until the group kills them lol

[pallid quiver]

I, somehow, either forgot or did not, even though MoP's my favorite expac

i had a face when it hit me this last timewalking

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, they really need to revise their gameplay and what the design of the class is focused around, which is the feedback loop of Generate Rage - Spend Rage - Generate Rage

[scarlet mesa]

i dont know if they care

[pallid quiver]

since generating rage means you can spend rage, which spending rage makes it so you get your abilities back faster that generate rage, and so on

If they don't care, then they shouldn't say shit about it being anyone's fault, in my opinion. It's fine to not care and just have fun, but it's not fine to start blaming people if you don't care to try and learn

I'm also slightly harsher since they're not here in person, if it means anything to you

[scarlet mesa]

i'd like to play with them more is why I wanted to figure things out

[pallid quiver]

so that generate loop i was talking about

that is not happening

[scarlet mesa]

🥴

[pallid quiver]

I'm honestly impressed they managed to put out as many executes as they did

and curious as to

like how

[scarlet mesa]

got them procs?

[pallid quiver]

Like, it's their top damage, and execute's a good ability and all,

but it shouldn't top shield slam at all

[scarlet mesa]

they told me they main warrior because they say asmon play it and it looked cool

[pallid quiver]

Last I had heard, he played the class like ass, but I also don't keep up with like any content creators, let alone mainstream ones

[scarlet mesa]

your avatar is adorable by the way, dont know the character but it gives off powerful energy

also fuck im reading this spec and it sounds fun

going to make me play prot warrior at this rate

[pallid quiver]

Thanks, it's Fate's version of Okita Souji

Also, I enjoy the spec a lot, but it is pretty rotationally simple. There's not much you manage. Everything is full send the instant it comes up, and you just keep pressing your buttons and bam, Top 20% of all Prot Wars

A lot of people really don't press their buttons

[scarlet mesa]

i play unholy dk, so im really good at pressing buttons

i think I could get into a tank if it was aesthetically like ESO's dragonknight, but nothing has struck that urge

that class uses earth to shield itself and has dragon wings and shit

and lava whips

molten earth and fire

[ionic fern]

Cool.

I use a shield.

That makes a boink sound

Which is freaking awesome.

[scarlet mesa]

you use a shield there too!

[grizzled kite]

I channel my rage to withstand damage

[ionic fern]

Go to Shaman discord with that lava crap.

[scarlet mesa]

😂

they dont have a tanking spec

[grizzled kite]

oh god that'd be so cool

insta switch

[ionic fern]

What.
How is that cooler than being literally so pissed off and angry that you spearhead these emotions into dealing damage and literally IGNORING PAIN.

[scarlet mesa]

nah earth tanking would be sick

[grizzled kite]

Lava.

[ionic fern]

Earth tanking is some weeb crap.

[grizzled kite]

there's nothing cooler than lava

[ionic fern]

Get that out of here.

[scarlet mesa]

weebs rise up

[ionic fern]

Go re-roll into w/e Dragonboys tank spec is.

Probably something up that alley.

[scarlet mesa]

they dont have one!

[ionic fern]

Soon.

™️

[scarlet mesa]

if they do, i might legitimately explode

[ionic fern]

Really?
That whole class/race is an abomination in my mind.

😂

[scarlet mesa]

they are cool

i'd love a dragon tank

[ionic fern]

I'm too old for this conversation.

[scarlet mesa]

anime is epic

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

:weebsout

[cerulean tusk]

Ya arms warriors complaining about weeb shut, playing the 'blademaster' spec.

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/blademaster-warcraft3-wc3-gif-15191205

Don't shittalk my man.

[cerulean tusk]

U weeb

Man I miss that guy. Where did our clones go?

[ionic fern]

To mages for some reason.

[cerulean tusk]

Had to reduce weeb levels, spread it about. At least we still got the anime storm of swords... Silly long leaps and the ability to don't take damage, because we ignore it.

[sweet summit]

real sometimes

[ionic fern]

Why are you so weird Erga.

[sweet summit]

wrf man

[scarlet mesa]

y'all are warriors in a game with wild fantasy

i think you're the weird ones

now to decide if Tauren or Highmountain Tauren is the way to go

https://tenor.com/view/tea-time-tea-drinking-drink-sipping-gif-16101111

[sweet summit]

neither

[scarlet mesa]

cow or moose

there are no other choices

[sweet summit]

tauren stupid race

[scarlet mesa]

tauren EPIC race

most of my toons are tauren

I enjoy my minotaurs

[scarlet mesa]

Making toons to play them, making toons just for transmog