I sort of wish our 0-8 talents weren't just all mandatory abilities
#protection
lavish oracle
warm plinth
e.g. maybe bolster ends up being a bigger gain than like, battering ram for example (this is a complete hypothetical with no mathematical basis whatsoever)
dusky canopy
warm plinth
Like we would stop wanting rage if we could have Avatar up 100% of the time I guess, and even then you'd still be reducing Shield Wall past that point.
strong forum
outburst
strong forum
i miss getting outburst every 10seconds in SL
warm plinth
What do you think about the question of Enduring Defenses Nome? Do you think it'll be able to be given up or no? It doesn't seem like it to me but I just did quick napkin math and I'm bad at math.
strong forum
dont think its enough
but i can slap dummy for a bit
ED is gigantic when it comes to snowballing
warm plinth
yeah
warm plinth
Rude
strong forum
after 40sec in is first gap
warm plinth
and I assume that's with ItF/Bolster?
strong forum
ye
warm plinth
yeah that doesn't sound promising
Though if we kept HR ๐ค
and got rid of enduring
strong forum
then after another 40sec you have a longer gap
you drop SB for like 2seconds after 40sec, then have it again for 40sec, then drop it for like 10sec
warm plinth
Yeah that's not good ๐ฌ
warm plinth
yeah
lavish oracle
Though if we kept HR ๐ค
Feel like ITF is the biggest possible damage gain anyways so might as well keep ED and swap to ITF, right?
warm plinth
Most likely. Depends on how much extra rage gain you get from using Unnerving
Since that would translate into more outbursts and shorter Ava CD
strong forum
unnerving should be around 5-7% rage gen
with napkin head trauma
only real time i checked UF was first pull of halls
warm plinth
Did it give you SL flashbacks
strong forum
it would gen the same amount of rage as BS would over the course of the fight
strong forum
Did it give you SL flashbacks
its very satisfying to hit outburst during LS+UF
shell mortar
it would gen the same amount of rage as BS would over the course of the fight
That's pretty aite
strong forum
well ye
shell mortar
Dunno if it's worth the point tho
strong forum
but only when its up
shell mortar
If we're already getting so much rage
strong forum
UF does nothing when its down, BS works all the time
and UF frontloads insane amount of rage cuz its with ravager + DR
shell mortar
and UF frontloads insane amount of rage cuz its with ravager + DR
This
Is why I don't know if it's worth the point
warm plinth
Yeah Unnerving is only worth it if we can get enough rage from it that it's worth giving up something else, which is not appearing to be likely
strong forum
the bigger issue is, other points are just worth more
shell mortar
I mean you run double rage talent in raid anyways so it's fine there
I'd assume it equates to more dam
If you don't overcap
jagged pier
Nah u can drop instegate tbh
strong forum
on a regular boss you can just drop ED now
warm plinth
Should be easy to take in raid since you're not as limited by shield block (unless it's a boss you tank the entire time)
strong forum
cuz like, i have 95% block uptime already in current raid
without Bolster + tier
if you drop ED + get bolster + 2pc
warm plinth
Let's just fix this. Get Blizz to make Outburst give us SB instead of IP ๐
strong forum
that makes up for that, but you get more rage gen
eh
dont underestimate the value outburst IP brings
its super good just after you got hit by a tank mechanic
warm plinth
I'm not, just memeing because it would make this an easier question lul
strong forum
to stabilize
well yeah
but having like 6 block talents
we're reaching block levels that shouldnt even be possible
fucking 300% uptime
warm plinth
11.0 warrior passive: I'm a Tank, Bitch: Casting an ability gives 1 second of Shield Block, Shield Slam giving 3 seconds
Warrior shuffle
strong forum
id take it
unironically
anything that gives SOME form of skill expression
over this babymobile version we have rn
warm plinth
Have you messed with the tier on the PTR much? I still think it's gonna feel weird that it's after LS expires
But I just haven't had time to get on PTR and mess with it
jagged pier
u just forget that bit
strong forum
i only tested today for like 2minutes
you forget it easy on pull, but that takes like 1-2pulls to remember
jagged pier
u can also just cancel LS aura keep both the shield block time and get the waves insta
strong forum
im just pissed that details isnt working
jagged pier
if u want to use CDs with the waves
warm plinth
Is it worth doing that and losing the extra CDR and SS damage though?
warm plinth
Yeah that makes sense I suppose
strong forum
if the pulls lasts longer than 35sec, no point cancelling
jagged pier
Is it worth doing that and losing the extra CDR and SS damage though?
not really but u can remeber that its a thing
only bit of skill expression now
and im just not even gunna bother 
warm plinth
Imagine our only skill expression being when to cancel a cooldown 
Yeah sounds annoyingly min/maxy to me. Definitely not my style.
ItF is gonna feel really good though with how easy it should be to get 40% haste in 10.1
Think 40% from rating comes out to 57% after talents (wild strikes + itf)
you love to see it
If you're not wearing away the nerve covering, are you even playing prot warrior
strong forum
okay if you pump SS real hard
you dont have SB gaps for like 2 minutes
without ED
warm plinth
Nice
icy yarrow
strong forum
now i didnt get to 2min, ptr lag + slighly unlucky procs
modern brook
LFR always sleeper does
mighty valley
there's no rhyme or reason to which difficulties get which colors, it's so random
modern brook
the only truth to xmog colors is heroic's is the worst one
modern brook
bro im
strong forum
but other than that its almost always just super whack
modern brook
I Legitimately read that as
"Somb of Dargeras" and was like yeah i agree somb had a sick heroic recolor
strong forum
yeah thats a 420 moment
modern brook
sod was s3 raid in SL right?
strong forum
s2
also
why is this heroic version
colourd like elite pvp
and why is the mythic version purple
unlike any of the sets
ALSO WHY IS IT SO LOW RES
modern brook
shields arent allowed to match anything perf tbh
daring marlin
Pally normal is best pally color
uneven mason
Because purples are hard to get
daring marlin
big sadge
strong forum
also, this tmog is ultra easy to get
cuz his
just craft this look
and you have a super good looking shield for practically free
holy the tmog next season is juicy
a 1h axe that isnt tiny
god fucking bless
and 1h swords dont even exist 
sick sentinel
im unhappy with the red on the axe compared to red on the chest parts
strong forum
yeah it doesnt fit
sick sentinel
thats only part i dislike of this
daring marlin
Love that set
strong forum
but theres no other colour that DOES fit
strong forum
Love that set
youre in luck, all colour variations of that set are super mega free to get
sick sentinel
the gold is different too, but its incredibly close
avg joe would think cooooll dragon armor
daring marlin
What do you even gotta do?
daring marlin
gat dayum
modern brook
a 1h axe that isnt tiny
the gold looks unmatchable tho bro
sick sentinel
is this 10.1 stuff
sick sentinel
i was going to say i need that axe its perfect
but
it is not, it has a skull, thus it is DK weapon
sick sentinel
im unsure of why, but okay
strong forum
cuz alot of these armor sets
are available without needing to do group content such as raid pvp or m+
and theyre objectively good looking armor sets, but also exceedingly easy to get
plush tendon
I just want the raid set cause it looks like a megazord
daring marlin
does LFR set in 10.1 look better than normal and heroic
ez transmog to farm by leveling alts ๐
strong forum
imagine having alts
dusky canopy
you dont have 13 warriors on the same server?
cerulean tusk
Does the mog break on Nelf female tho?
Often helms are too small and clips weirdly at the neck, as hair is not shown ._.
plush tendon
Alts are great
I like to diversify my portfolio
also, helps the guild out for next patch; I could probably have 3-4 toons with a 20 to start S2 which is huge ๐
strong forum
alts are fine, but idk anything that isnt my main is only fun for a few days
my goal is make my character as strong as possible
and alts dont rly help that
plush tendon
I guess for me I play my DK and War pretty evenly; DK was my first toon so Ive always liked to keep it geared and then my War has been my preferred choice since mid BFA (joined he hype train then and never looked back)
also, being able to whip out the DK for a boss has been useful
everything else is so I have something to play with everyones rat alt
gleaming prawn
How long would it take to unlock Dark iron dwarfs from scratch?
dusky canopy
itll take a little bit of effort
but its doable
its not like youre gated for months
gleaming prawn
I really like the dark iron heritage armor
plush tendon
naw, normal Dwarf is better
plush tendon
Normal Dwarf is Viking, Dark Iron is Roblox/Minecraft
but, I would be lying if I didn't say the Dark Iron isn't pretty cool
cause it sort of has that LoTR Dwarf look
solemn current
Anybody know of some potentially good trinkets to play with on PTR?
mighty valley
Hmm, you'd have to ask someone who's on PTR and has access to test them out
Oh, wait
solemn current
huh? No reason to be a dick dawg. The PTR has been available for weeks. Most of my time has been spend testing resto shaman. I'm just trying to play with some trinkets already known to be good rather than wasting time with undertuned trinkets seeing as how there's more trinkets than I have time to play with on the warrior.
If you wanted to be a prick you could've just avoided saying anything.
daring marlin
huh? No reason to be a dick dawg. The PTR has been available for weeks. Most of ...
bruh
Be a scientist
figure it out
solemn current
Or I can just ask people who have clearly already been playing with them while I've been testing other stuff on a different spec/role? Otherwise what's the point in this discord?
I want to familiarize myself with good trinkets. Not waste time I barely have on trinkets that aren't going to be used. You can simply ignore the post if you have nothing constructive to add.
torn gulch
offensively the trinket from nelthalrion or the trinket from last boss seems good
daring marlin
Yes, yes. An extra 10-30 minutes to slap a dummy with trinkets is super time consuming.
torn gulch
defensively brackenhide trinket and possibly rokmora trinket
there might be other ones
remote venture
Anyone can join the PTR right?
daring marlin
Yup.
oak echo
So theres still nothing wrong with them asking the question.
daring marlin
He has it downloaded but doesn't have the time to goof around with Warrior like he did the other class.
plush tendon
i more curious what sort of builds we thinking about with the tier set
but I know Nom will post something in due time
daring marlin
pallid quiver
i more curious what sort of builds we thinking about with the tier set
ITF/Bolster is a good bit more likely
Other than that, things will likely stay the same
plush tendon
oh yea 100% thinking that
solemn current
Yes, yes. An extra 10-30 minutes to slap a dummy with trinkets is super time co...
What's good on a target dummies isn't necesarrily good in practice. It's easier to just not be toxic and ignore something you don't want to help with rather than be a dickhead. I want to take a few good trinkets to a couple keys because most of my keys are filling a role that my friends need me to fill. Not that I should have to explain myself it's a simple question that didn't require such a response.
plush tendon
but with bolster... we lose a point somewhere
pallid quiver
TaN is the only thing you swap if those are the only changes
It just makes spell block a concern to grab
torn gulch
yes there are dungeons where you'll still want spell block
pallid quiver
Absolutely not; it's a lot of rage and damage
solemn current
offensively the trinket from nelthalrion or the trinket from last boss seems goo...
I'm assuming you mean the Beacon with mastery on it? I'll start with those then thanks.
grizzled kite
What's good on a target dummies isn't necesarrily good in practice. It's easier ...
The question was valid that you posted, your response to all of this isn't. Obviously after nearly 45 minutes of dead chat you should've spent that time to go on and test it out yourself
torn gulch
I'm assuming you mean the Beacon with mastery on it? I'll start with those then ...
yea beacon and the crit/main stat/slow one
pallid quiver
I'm almost thinking there's a closer chance to dropping Enduring if the CDR on Last Stand is enough
torn gulch
those are the offensive ones
grizzled kite
๐
torn gulch
defensive ones brackenhide looks good
plush tendon
I'm almost thinking there's a closer chance to dropping Enduring if the CDR on L...
that would be cool
torn gulch
and maybe rockmora trinket but i did not test that one because you can't i am speaking based on tooltip
plush tendon
and if you need SB uptime maybe swap ITF to HR?
pallid quiver
That being said, Enduring is busted for SB uptime, so I doubt it
daring marlin
What's good on a target dummies isn't necesarrily good in practice. It's easier ...
Dummies can give you a good idea of proc rates and whatnot. You're just trying to be offended.
plush tendon
but having ITF back will be so pog
solemn current
The question was valid that you posted, your response to all of this isn't. Obvi...
I'm not even at my PC at the moment. Waiting for a response cost me nothing. My response is justified. I asked a simple question that anyone could have answered or ignored and instead I got 2 dickheads being toxic rather than just ignoring the question they clearly didn't want to answer.
plush tendon
i am sorry that i want to play a tank not a dps
very sorry
apology accepted ๐
grizzled kite
I'm not even at my PC at the moment. Waiting for a response cost me nothing. My ...
Imagine being this offended. This discord isn't here to cater to your needs, it's a community discord revolving around the warrior class and not somewhere you can just pop in and have answers hand fed to you. Also funny that you call me 'toxic' when in my first ever reply to you, I merely pointed out that your responses are (and continue to be) outrageous and you obviously didn't even bother including the fact that you weren't at your PC at all. Please, just ignore me.
pulsar sedge
Hit things harder and you will tank things less ;D
daring marlin
Imagine being this offended. This discord isn't here to cater to your needs, it'...
He was referring to Harrow and I being "toxic".
torn gulch
I like to play prot warrior as a tank first
unpopular opinion here but it is what it is
fresh igloo
can't we all just be chill
grizzled kite
Right, think I have Harrow on ignore too so I didn't even see his response
daring marlin
LOL
pulsar sedge
Eh, we already sit in battle stance most of the time anyways shrug ;D
torn gulch
And I like defensive trinkets
People used shell all the time in BFA with no problem the brackenhide trinket is similar to a shell
daring marlin
And I like defensive trinkets
People used shell all the time in BFA with no prob...
There are no trinkets like shell
solemn current
Imagine being this offended. This discord isn't here to cater to your needs, it'...
I didn't call you toxic, and I shouldn't have to explain my situation to ask a simple question? lol It's really not that complicated. There's nothing wrong with asking about trinkets in a discord dedicated to theorycrafting considering the information can't be found anywhere else. There are people who have clearly been able to put time into testing the gear already. An answer or simply ignoring the question should have been the extent of the response.. Not smartass comments about how I can test them myself.
grizzled kite
I didn't call you toxic, and I shouldn't have to explain my situation to ask a s...
zZz
daring marlin
Shell was better than class defensive CDs.
daring marlin
I didn't call you toxic, and I shouldn't have to explain my situation to ask a s...
You could also use the search feature btw
It's in the top right corner
torn gulch
It's ok you guys can play with double offensive
solemn current
You could also use the search feature btw
I did. Couldn't find anything prot related. Maybe my searches weren't good enough. You could also just ignore the original question rather than being a dickhead but here we are.
grizzled kite
Yeah stop being a dickhead @daring marlin!
daring marlin
I did. Couldn't find anything prot related. Maybe my searches weren't good enoug...
You could also ignore what I said by your own logic.
solemn current
I wasn't the one being a dick to people asking a simple question
grizzled kite
SBC trinket off the first boss does look nice. ๐
plush tendon
Unless one of the trinkets is actually busted for tanks (like the aegis from the nine) then I want something with big damage 
daring marlin
Unless one of the trinkets is actually busted for tanks (like the aegis from the...
hell yeah dude
mighty valley
Right, think I have Harrow on ignore too so I didn't even see his response <:kek...
woah, i wonder what caused this
daring marlin
ur just toxic bro jeez
mighty valley
oh my god, with the mushroom yeah
daring marlin
Trinkets I wanna goof around with will prolly be nelth, vial and irideus
grizzled kite
woah, i wonder what caused this
Yeah same tbh because we've never directly interacted. I just didn't see your response
Removed now though ๐ค
mighty valley
i'm not toxic i'm just a little guy 
daring marlin
โข๏ธ
sinful copper
I like to play prot warrior as a tank first
unpopular opinion here but it is wha...
it's unpopular in all tank discords. we all go for bigger dmg
torn gulch
it's unpopular in all tank discords. we all go for bigger dmg
and that is fine fortunately I can play as a tank first and if i can do dps as well it's fine if not i focus on being a tank
sinful copper
i think in most cases, defensive trinkets are just a crutch for poor rotation but if you focused more on mastering your rotations and keeping good uptimes for defensives, you won't need defensive trinkets at all. then what is the best way to time for keys? improving your tank dps. similar issue for raid when you need to make dps checks
latent steppe
amount of bullying from my friends is devastating for season 2 prot warrior set. forcing me to reroll for high keys. does our s2 set bonuses impact that much on tanking for high m+ content?
torn gulch
i think in most cases, defensive trinkets are just a crutch for poor rotation b...
yes i am not that good at the game that is why i like defensive trinkets
sinful copper
gotcha
torn gulch
i do ok defensive wise but i suck at doing tank dps
which is what i will try to rectify during next season
given the fact that I was a clicker until not long ago and now i am a full binder i regard that as success
sinful copper
yeah that change is huge!
torn gulch
I used to have a 5x5 button grid and i set up my mouse sensitivity to CS levels
and i was pressing buttons
what a time
used my mouse for clicking so much i broke the actual click plastic during a 19 Motherlode and I had to press my abilities with the scroll
๐คฃ
toxic gyro
amount of bullying from my friends is devastating for season 2 prot warrior set....
Warrior will be just fine, also ask them to reroll meta classes too, if any of them are playing non meta.
latent steppe
Warrior will be just fine, also ask them to reroll meta classes too, if any of t...
tired of people bitching about warrior tanks m8. they just call it "damage tank"
toxic gyro
Those are some shitty friends if they force you to play different class.
daring marlin
tired of people bitching about warrior tanks m8. they just call it "damage tank"
Which is kinda funny considering pally can do big tank dps.
toxic gyro
Especially that warrior is one of the best tanks.
hardy snow
used my mouse for clicking so much i broke the actual click plastic during a 19 ...
Wait what, do people really play by clicking sklills on bars for real? I thought its just meme/joke
pallid quiver
amount of bullying from my friends is devastating for season 2 prot warrior set....
To elaborate specifically, no tank's tier set, regardless of class, remotely affects anything nearly enough to be the deciding factor of what tanks are weaker or stronger than the others. Warrior tanks will also continue to take the least damage overall out of all tanks, as well. If they think you swapping off Warrior will suddenly time them keys, you can politely inform them that they have never thought about M+ in any constructive manner.
they probably just want you to carry their asses on interrupt with prot pally
urban bane
~~they probably just want you to carry their asses on interrupt with prot pally~...
this but actually xd
torn gulch
This is what I've done as a clicker
It took me the whole of Shadowlands to migrate to full binds
daring marlin
this but actually xd
It's pretty crazy bro
warm plinth
Anyone done keys on the PTR by chance?
warm plinth
Yeah I was just thinking about doing a focus shield macro yesterday
Probably would come in handy
daring marlin
Helps since I pretty much only pug now.
torn gulch
man pugging is cancer
daring marlin
truly is
daring marlin
Like 15 but hasted
warm plinth
ah okay
daring marlin
and it resets like crazy
warm plinth
so actually shorter CD than kick even lol
daring marlin
Yes.
warm plinth
So stupid
dusky wolf
Supp zug zug boys, can we post logs here for help ?
warm plinth
daring marlin
It can be useful in certain dungeons. People take it sometimes. Just the base 15% is big.
I wish I didn't hate playing BDK atm.
warm plinth
I think people take it because they missread it, which tbf it's worded stupidly
daring marlin
idky why it feels less fun atm
warm plinth
They read it because they think it's a 20% increase to the proc chance, but it's actually a 5% increase to the proc chance
Take it because*
warm plinth
yeah
I was too
It should just say the chance is increased by 5% though
I do enjoy playing my paladin now that they aren't squishy af outside of CDs though
daring marlin
100%
Also I'm probably gonna be super degenerate on my pally next tier and go full haste/crit like my warrior
daring marlin
That's how it is now
New 4pc judge crits can trigger grand crusade and apply hearthfire
๐
crit gives big dam anyway
warm plinth
That's gonna be a lot of shields
daring marlin
Hope I don't explode LOL
warm plinth
More parry which means more shields, and then judgment procs more shields
warm plinth
Yeah
torn gulch
vortex pinnacle was changed A LOT
daring marlin
good
torn gulch
i have to do it this weekend
warm plinth
Have you done any keys on PTR?
warm plinth
Someone said that they took the weekly events out of Freehold. Is that true?
warm plinth
It was a while ago that they said that so I'm guessing they were wrong
warm plinth
Nah if you didn't have rogue or druid you just had tank mount up and do it and then just die
torn gulch
or i do it as a tank and die at the end
yes
i remember that
you can catch pig faster now
warm plinth
Or hunter, hunter could do it, but camo wasn't super common in the average pug back then
torn gulch
less grease stacks
warm plinth
Yeah I read it only has like 3 stacks now instead of 5
daring marlin
Holy shit what lol
daring marlin
That's crazy.
torn gulch
who uses rank 1 and 2
torn gulch
it this a language i'm too rich to understand?
jk
sick sentinel
i too am a multi dollar aire
torn gulch
i could understand at first when sophic was 100k but now enchants are cheap
warm plinth
It wouldn't be bad anyway. Even if you're above the 20% DR line, that's still like 12% haste (little less because you'd pass the 49% DR line)
sick sentinel
tbh this is what i have been up to today and getting started on gnome heritage quest, gnome is exalted now and at the start area
warm plinth
tbh this is what i have been up to today and getting started on gnome heritage q...
You know, if you waited like 2 1/2 weeks you wouldn't have had to do the reputation.
sick sentinel
meh, with burning rush, runs were taking literal like 5 minutes
so, once i got into it took me no effort at all
rough delta
Newbie protection warrior question. Is there a good macro for both Shield Block and Ignore Pain together? For example, Can I make a macro for Ignore Pain where it says /cast Shield Block /cast Ignore Pain so I never have to hit Shield Block? Only Ignore Pain. Any ideas?
warm plinth
I mean, you could do that, but it's not really a good idea to do so.
That's literally what the macro would be though
rough delta
Not a good idea cuz that macro with cast shield block, shield block, and then ignore pain. ?
warm plinth
No because it forces you to Ignore Pain whether you need to or not just so you can get Shield Block up/refreshed.
rough delta
Oh yah. That makes sense
warm plinth
Or if you had it where Shield Block is prioritized, what if you need to press IP because a magic hit is coming up that you want to mitigate, but you don't have enough rage to cast both Shield Block and IP, you'd end up refreshing IP which would do nothing against the magic
er, refreshing Shield Block I mean
daring marlin
i too am a multi dollar aire
I laughed hard at this ๐
viscid mirage
What is ur uptime on shield block and ignore pain, on details auras after a regular m+ dung guys? i just started playing warrior prot and want to know if i am still not pressing those buttons enough. My shield blick is usully between 60%-68% and ignore pain at 50%.
oak echo
Shield block should be 95+ with proper rotation and ignore pain uptime is meaningless
viscid mirage
omG 95%, thats a lot. i am stilll learning, so paying atention to a lot of other things but i will deffinitly focus on pressing it more often then.
oak echo
And that's not trying to be condescending but we just don't use IP as a way of keeping up a buff. You use it to dump lots of rage fast to keep your anger management flowing so you don't overcap
fresh igloo
omG 95%, thats a lot. i am stilll learning, so paying atention to a lot of other...
you should aim for shield block being up for any hit you take
Heavy Repercussions helps with this
but mostly you just really gotta keep an eye on that buff and not let it fall off
astral crystal
What is ur uptime on shield block and ignore pain, on details auras after a regu...
sblock should be up practically 100% of your active tanking time, you should be able to roll it if you have enough haste
~23-24%
warm plinth
You don't need a minimum amount of haste to have 100% shield block uptime
viscid mirage
ok thats good to know all of that , thank you. so block up all time, ignore pain not so important.
warm plinth
Right, your primary rage dump is Revenge. If you can't keep from overcapping with Revenge alone, you use IP.
warm plinth
You can also spam a few IPs in preparation for a big tank hit
slim dove
It wouldn't be bad anyway. Even if you're above the 20% DR line, that's still l...
psh imagine not having 49% haste outside of raid
rdruid literally larping as sonic rn
warm plinth
lol
astral crystal
You don't need a minimum amount of haste to have 100% shield block uptime
right, just saying, he can absently mash shield block and have 100% uptime at around that haste
viscid mirage
where is ur vers? or is this ok?> iam 13% vers and i blame my deaths on it, but as i said iam new in prot
slim dove
vers will not save bad gameplay.
warm plinth
Vers is literally never the reason die
Press buttons correctly and you live. Don't and you will (eventually) die.
viscid mirage
i struggled on TJS today alot. I also think that maybe i havent use spell deflection and spell block anough.
i struggled on trash, bosses ware ez.
and looks like shield block up time was to low too so yeah maybe there is more to that
uneven mason
where is ur vers? or is this ok?> iam 13% vers and i blame my deaths on it, but ...
Vers won't save you from not pressing buttons
warm plinth
Welll you also can't guarantee spell block without pressing shield block so
viscid mirage
oh so spell block is just a chance to block spells, and then having a 100% block chance with shieldblock makes spellblock 100% too , or am i undesrstanding it wrong
fresh igloo
that's correct
warm plinth
Yes
fresh igloo
shield block means all melee hits are blocked. spell block extends WHATEVER your block is, to spells as well.
so both together = blocked spells
as long as you don't take it in the back or something
warm plinth
as long as you don't take it in the back or something
That sounds kinda judgmental sir
viscid mirage
yeah iam learning that to not to turn back to enemy, specially when trying to pull something extra
thanks for help guys, iam looking forward playing more tomorrow, imprving my shieldblock uptime, and staying alive since i cant blame it on my vers;/
warm plinth
Always here if you have more questions
fresh igloo
if you are taking hits in the back, or just in general hits without shield block
that's almost certainly a big part of your problem
the good news is, that's very specific things you can pay attention to and work on
warm plinth
Mac just gonna ignore my joke smh
fresh igloo
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i have beer and dinner and video games to play, that's my priority ๐
sick sentinel
i have beer and dinner and video games to play, that's my priority ๐
i went and got me a beer so i can put up with this
uneven mason
Yes
You need a longer name to answer all of the repeat questions
"Stop Using Barbaric Training Spell Block Requires Block Press Buttons"
uneven mason
yeah
grizzled kite
I have a focus macro and regular shield/rebuke+focus shield/rebuke
Not using the focus modifier key in the blizz ui?
Or just like using single keys for focus stuff?
uneven mason
I think I'm pretty close to the character limit already though sadly
We'll just have to team up
warm plinth
mighty valley
Not terrible, you should drop Barbaric Training to start
You're slightly overprioing Revenge over TC I think, which will hurt rage gen a bit
With better rage management you could be getting more Avatars
warm plinth
Barbaric Training on Terros ๐ค
mighty valley
You didn't press avatar on pull? Weird
mighty valley
Yeah, press your offensive CDs on CD
warm plinth
No ravager cast?
mighty valley
yeah... press the buttons you talented into also
unkempt hatch
I legit just had the talents I leveled with, I am still learning what does what
I know I need to be better with SB I didnโt have 100% uptime and on kurog it was pretty low.
Trying to find the happy medium between spending rage fast and know when to just hold a bit. If that makes sense
mighty valley
Yeah, you don't seem to be overcapping which is good, but it gets harder when you start pressing all your CDs correctly
All you care about is A) having enough to maintain your rotation to fill every GCD and B) not overcapping
unkempt hatch
Gottcha
Iโd say for my first time it wasnโt the worst lol. Just need to get comfortable with the class and abilities and I might be somewhat decent/passable at it
cinder nova
I legit just had the talents I leveled with, I am still learning what does what
Not even trying to be rude, but read.
Read your tooltips
So much ambiguity is removed from just reading, and then you at least are bottlenecked by their shitty ambiguous language in some stuff
fresh igloo
for any game, any new thing, I generally do a little intro reading
play it a bit
then go back and read more
getting somewhat familiar and then building on it is how things sink in better
warm plinth
Read the guide too ๐คท
fresh igloo
so now that you've done a little stuff, grab a good talent build out of the pinned messages here, and read up on rotations, and you'll be in good shape
mighty valley
Iโd say for my first time it wasnโt the worst lol. Just need to get comfortable ...
oh yeah don't worry we've seen much much much worse
unkempt hatch
Thanks guys! I appreciate it! (:
warm plinth
Harrow is much worse and he's been doing this a while, don't worry
mighty valley
MAN
warm plinth
Love you
mighty valley
everyone's being mean to me in the protection warrior discord today
warm plinth
๐
austere sleet
what CDs are people using for TJS 3rd boss?
sorry quite new to warrior so still trying to figure out which ones actually work on the green hits, is it like shield wall/spell block/spell reflect
warm plinth
Everything works on the jade phase initial hit. Everything but spell block works on the DoT.
mighty valley
have you ever talented it
pallid quiver
Now if only I was picking up Vdh as fast as warrior
To be fair, War's likely the easiest tank to play at the moment, so don't fault VDH for that
slender blade
Do you generally get more uses of Shield Wall over the course of a dungeon if you are playing Defender's Aegis or Impenetrable wall?
Seems the choice is if you need more shield wall for tankbusters (jade) or you are already fine on rage economy, am I reading that right?
urban bane
most over the course of the entire dungeon? Wall for sure.
DA good for if you need it in tight succession like 3rd jade boss as you mentioned, but you'll get fewer uses overall.
latent steppe
is it good idea to use frostfire crafted belt?
mighty valley
it's the way to proc the raid rings if there's any chance of getting one
won't be special compared to other embellishments next season
mint pike
first time tanking m sennarth im covering for our tank, is there any warr tech counterplay to web blast>
not web blast, getting webbed in p2
torn geyser
tis eid guys
eid mubarak for all my muslim brothers
latent steppe
guys is it normal for me to struggle mage tower challenge? ending up dead around kruul 5% hp. im 416 ilvl and i have 421 whetstone + 408 totem master
warm plinth
well all-totem is probably borderline useless in there
But I mean, it is intended to be difficult so it's fine if you're struggling with it. Your ilevel doesn't really matter in there since you get scaled to level 50
buoyant tangle
starting to regret I left RLP as the last dungeon to do at +20, boy that dungeon feels so rough especially this week
lapis tapir
in m+ does sonic boom do more damage or does thunderous words? lets say on a +20
warm plinth
Thunderous Words
warm plinth
Use the build in the pins "best M+ build"
Nothing reachable in the current patch. 40% (strictly from rating) is when we would start to look elsewhere for stats on gear.
That means you hover over haste on the character sheet and the number at the bottom says +40% next to it
lapis tapir
what should i be aiming for in game, while using into the fray
warm plinth
You don't use into the fray in keys
And the answer is: as much as possible. Since you can't realistically reach 40% haste from rating right now, just aim for ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery
lapis tapir
i thought haste = more dam
warm plinth
i thought haste = more dam
Can't do damage if you're dead because shield block ropped.
dropped*
warm plinth
does Avatar make you tankier in anyway?
Makes you able to use TC more often which results in more rage
buoyant tangle
well, technically it does increase your amount of IP too right?
austere sleet
more rage = more Revenge/IP so tankier by extension
buoyant tangle
through setbonus and whats that ip talent called
warm plinth
It increases the amount you generate, yeah. Because more damage = more 4-set/brv
It's a minor defensive gain regardless. But it does technically have some defensive effect
buoyant tangle
yeap
most importantly it makes you bigboi
which i like to think intimidates enemies
austere sleet
thanks guys, just learning some prot warrior in case I dislike playing my Bear :P
violet flume
avatar unlocks godmode aoe wich is where its at
warm plinth
Best defense is a good offense amirite
violet flume
when you dont need defense on an aoe pull and you just chain revenge > clap > revenge > clap.. oh yes
warm plinth
down boy
austere sleet
also any idea what the talent build will look like in 10.1? is it pretty much the same but we move a point from somewhere into Bolster?
warm plinth
Yeah, basically
violet flume
i figure same build, maybe bolster and into the fray if you get enough haste?
warm plinth
TBD though. don't think it's 100% yet
You'll use ItF yes
Since bolster will cover the gaps
warm plinth
Tough as Nails node ideally but we'll have to see how important Spell Block ends up being next season
buoyant tangle
i've had spell block talented since forever no matter the dungeon
warm plinth
Yeah that goes for a lot of people
buoyant tangle
i guess you dont reeeally need it for CoS
austere sleet
maybe dropping battering ram or something
austere sleet
isn't Battering Ram mostly for the increased autoattack speed for more free shield slams?
buoyant tangle
that and rage
austere sleet
if we're taking ITF instead of Heavy Repercussions not sure it'd be worth it, since you won't be extending SB with it anymore
ah true
buoyant tangle
its also quite a chonky dps increase ofc
urban portal
battering ram is just a huge dps up
lapis tapir
Can't do damage if you're dead because shield block ropped.
i appreciate all your input
warm plinth
We don't take battering ram for anything regarding Shield Block
It's just for the damage/rage gain
warm plinth
Because we have to take bolster anyway so we don't need Heavy Repercussions
ItF is more damage than HR
austere sleet
Thanks for the answers
thin silo
also any idea what the talent build will look like in 10.1? is it pretty much th...
Swapping back to FbV as well, right? Since tier was the only thing propping up the IP side of the node, even before it got nerfed?
pallid quiver
Wrong; BV was better than FbV pretty much the entire time
it was just bugged
it may even still be bugged, i dunno
Both talents are very minor, anyhow. Even with the buffs, I think FbV is still minor, but may outpace BV
neither will drastically affect your survival in comparison to other talents, though
warm plinth
It is still bugged, yes. But you deplete IP often enough that it still got really good value, especially with the 4-piece.
We will almost certainly swap to FbV in 10.1 though with the buff to it
(once you stop using current 4pc)
placid owl
Just wanted to share some success. I've been raiding with this guild that has a hard time clearing stuff. And I am there sorta to guide them as a ringer. I was using my alt which I am attempting to gear up (my warrior). I've been on my warrior for 2 weeks or so, item level 399. I out dpsed thier warrior tank on sennarth. Got a clean 93 Parse.
He is 9 item levels higher
lapis tapir
is battering ram that much better than thunderlord?
ionic fern
It helps DS line up better with CD's.
And provides more value on ST.
In my mind you can play with which ever you enjoy most.
If you're looking to truly min-max then take Ram.
lapis tapir
so would you lead with shield charge, avatar then use demo as defensives or
ionic fern
No, you initiate with Charge as it has a minimum range and provides you Rage.
Shield Charge has no minimum range so you can cast it from melee.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
You Demo BEFORE you use your big offensive CD's to get the damage % value from Booming Voice.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning Ghash, lyt.
lapis tapir
but youd use in leu with avatar, DS, SC then do your rotation
ionic fern
Not sure if i understand you properly, so feel free to correct me if not.
The goal is to use Demoralising shout BEFORE SC/Ravager/TR to get the damage benefit from BV affecting each of them.
lapis tapir
but thunderlord changes the cd time so it may sit unused til other cd's are up?
ionic fern
Without Thunderlords the cooldowns of Shield Charge / Demoralising Shout / Ravager / Thunderous Roar line more or less up.
If you take Thunderlords, you de-sync the cooldowns so you won't always have Demoralising Shout available when you have Shield Charge / RAvager etc.
ionic fern
ionic fern
Correct.
Be sure to keep SB up properly tho.
"Not dying" can be caused by you doing lower content where the damage intake isn't that deadly. This in turn can lead to people playing incorrectly and not keeping SB up.
ionic fern
lapis tapir
my 20%+ leech helps too
pallid quiver
just apply a little bit of the cheat engine, y'know?
warm plinth
but youd use in leu with avatar, DS, SC then do your rotation
Should be noted that Avatar will not always line up with the rest. Don't hold it or anything else to force it. Proper play means your Avatar will have like a 35 second CD.
lapis tapir
absolutely, i just try to line up booming voice as much as possible, i just never had a reason to play around with talents and since imalready doing 55-60ish overall I didnt both adjusting, but occasionally i fine tune and see how much it affects my playstyle. Id rather take a dps cut than play something that feels incredibly unnatural
like i never thought thunderous words would ever out dps sonic boom
ionic fern
That last sentence gave me goosepumps.
lapis tapir
lol
i have an injury so my playtime got very limited. So i when i did get into m+, shockwave was killing mobs, so its kind of a misleading ability
or at least to me it was
lapis tapir
but the prot war community has been excellent by putting bumpers in the pool lane for me so i can just thunderclap my way to victory
lol
i wish i had the ability to challenge myself in higher content but unfortunately i cant time commit. so my babysteps are dowsed in baby oil
ionic fern
The only challenge you find in higher content is a mental one of trying to withstand the onslaught of the mong DPS'ers.
lapis tapir
ionic fern
It's weird tho..DPS'ers have so much possibility to distinguish themselves and get rewarded for playing well.
But like 99% of them just..don't.
warm plinth
Or, you could be me and try to do so but fail spectacularly
blazing condor
dont be afraid to fail be afraid not to try 
ionic fern
dont be afraid to fail be afraid not to try <:peepoHappyFisher:83863190493659140...
"Wanna try drugs?"
"Well, a dog who doesn't know told me i shouldn't be afraid to try.."
blazing condor
if you fail drugs then thats on you
ionic fern
blazing condor
also no one is gonna ask you to try drugs in this economy cmon Mwahi
it doesn't grow on trees
jagged pier
But like 99% of them just..don't.
that will be you next tier
ionic fern
Decided to stay tank.
jagged pier
ionic fern
Just to suffer one more tier
austere sleet
also no one is gonna ask you to try drugs in this economy cmon Mwahi
I dunno, my therapist was pretty adamant about trying these antidepressents
ionic fern
Je, but mostly..raid logging.
jagged pier
the dream
frosty mist
Hi guys, I've a question about one talent in mm+, is better shield wall a second charge and 30sec reduc cd or one charge but shield slam reduce the cd for 5sec each time ? it might depend of the dungeon I guess but there is something way much better than the other ?
pallid quiver
Imp Wall, when playing properly, is pretty much always better than Defender's Aegis
You get more uptime of Shield Wall overall, and most bosses of concern for us, you get Shield Wall back fast enough or for enough instances of ouchie time for it to give you better defensive power than having two back to back Shield Walls
frosty mist
ok
when you say "when playing properly", is about using shield slam basically as much as possible ?
pallid quiver
Managing your rage economy as a whole, so generating and properly spending that rage
Shield Wall's affected by Anger Management, so making absolutely sure to follow the SS > TC > Revenge priority is vital so you get the rage you need to spend
This also means chucking your CDs actually on cooldown, properly, too; no missed casts of Ravager or Shield Charge or anything
Missing casts or delaying them can cost you literal rage bars worth of rage
austere sleet
You get more uptime of Shield Wall overall, and most bosses of concern for us, y...
is this even the case for like TJS 3rd boss? like I guess we'd SW first green kick, and then use a different CD for the Spell Block, then SR + big IB or something, and then if your dps is bad enough you get a fourth, you should have SW back?
pallid quiver
It's at worst like a 1.5 min CD, and Spe-
jagged pier
so u have SW back by the 4th anyway
pallid quiver
yeah that
austere sleet
oh right
jagged pier
pallid quiver
just wait until you get the 6th
pallid quiver
i haven't run any keys in weeks
pallid quiver
haven't even really booted the game up in a hot minute, either
I got suckered back into PSO2, and then Capcom and Nintendo gave me nostalgia presents
hardy snow
dont run the key at all
strong forum
tjs is gone in 3 weeks anyway
hardy snow
for me it was already gone almost 2 months ago after I got portal and FoS achiev
warm plinth
dont run the key at all
If you don't do the key at all, you can't die ๐
jagged pier
sick sentinel
If you don't do the key at all, you can't die ๐
this but court of stars
sullen gust
Just wanted to say thanks to all the big brains in here who have given me advice. Finally hit my goal of keystone hero and at least one +20.
jagged pier
sullen gust
I've managed to get to 6/8 heroic so I guess the last couple weeks I'm gonna go for completing my first full heroic raid
jagged pier
blazing condor
Epic pog
cinder nova
https://tenor.com/wZP5.gif
kind glen
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astral crystal
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vernal vale
Logged on for the first time in a month yesterday and logged out almost immediately. 60 hour work weeks kill motivation to play.
strong forum
pmuch
dusky canopy
Logged on for the first time in a month yesterday and logged out almost immediat...
I feel that dude, itโs like I could log on and run one key but like why? Lol..
vernal vale
I feel that dude, itโs like I could log on and run one key but like why? Lol..
It's made worse that I haven't had a guild or raid team for a month before I stopped playing. Why bother to run shit when it serves no purpose.
dusky canopy
It's made worse that I haven't had a guild or raid team for a month before I sto...
New content hype right around the corner guy! Hang in there.
modern brook
It's made worse that I haven't had a guild or raid team for a month before I sto...
wow without a group is not worth its sub
unfortunate troof
urban portal
its halal
modern brook
ilvl > all
vernal vale
wow without a group is not worth its sub
True, but I paid for 6 months so my sub sits. Plus before the long work weeks I was looking for a new team.
modern brook
True, but I paid for 6 months so my sub sits. Plus before the long work weeks I ...
yah was more a statement of solidarity than a lecture on your money management ๐ฆ
unkempt hatch
My lowest slots are ring and pants. So I was going to craft a ring for now to replace the blue. And sims are saying Crit haste is +900 dps vs +350 for haste/vers
dusky canopy
My lowest slots are ring and pants. So I was going to craft a ring for now to re...
Crit/haste gang
strong forum
crit is our best dmg stat, yes
thats with my character currently
crit literally shitting on every other stat
vernal vale
Crit/Haste club since last expansion.
urban portal
how do you make a graph like this?
unkempt hatch
Crit is okay defensively too right? More parry?
strong forum
but i asked about it cuz the brew sims were completely fucked where the stats jumped all over the place, which indicates a botched apl
vernal vale
Parry is good.
mental scarab
Was king on necrotic week
remote venture
crit is our best dmg stat, yes
Would you say that haste is still prio over crit? Haste helps wirh our rage and def abilyts so I guess it's a yes
latent steppe
guys how does raider io off role disappear? i just played as fury for 2 runs and now my rio shows up main and tank dps off role ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
blood lust + itf
unkempt hatch
I need to learn dps warrior too. I havenโt played warrior since WoD and blackrock foundry
strong forum
whenever theres only a dps spot open, i still play as tank
i do more dmg as tank than as dps
vernal vale
i do more dmg as tank than as dps
Same
violet flume
sounds like you need better 2handers
ive been using arms spec when doing M+ for like 6 weeks and saw only one 2hander drop ๐ฆ
wish fury 1handers were just as good man
daring marlin
wow without a group is not worth its sub
Damn bro I resemble that!
vernal vale
sounds like you need better 2handers
I have solid 2h weapons. I'm just terrible at fury and arms feels horrible to play
daring marlin
Define feels horrible to play 
violet flume
fair enough, and i agree with arms.. maybe i just need to get used to it
daring marlin
modern brook
vernal vale
Define feels horrible to play <:peepologs:1085590566554828900>
Just doesn't feel like it has a good rhythm hasn't since they changed the way arms rage gain works back in MoP
vernal vale
Mortal strike used to generate rage. Heroic strike was a spender. Shit like that
urban portal
yeah i can see why not having rage from rotational spells is weird
but rage is so easy to get currently
arms basically has no resource costs in aoe
vernal vale
I gave it a go at the start of the expansion because of the new tree and still didn't think it felt good.
vernal vale
Personal preference in how to play probably
modern brook
10.0 arms was very strange
slamcat.gif
vernal vale
I normally give it a shot once or twice a tier.
I loved Arms back in Wrath and Cataclysm
vernal vale
Nah, it was the rhythm of rend refreshes.
Mortal strike, slam, heroic strike
The specs very different in feel now with the way rage generation works. It's never felt the same.
lavish oracle
Does IP count as a healing spell for healing spell based triggers?
Like could we take spore tender and have it proc from IP?
lavish oracle
Would depend on how well 800 str stacks up against 2500 secondary
Also how often this could proc
If we can proc it reliably, I don't see why it would be ridiculous to consider it
urban portal
theres 2 ways to think about it:
because a lot of tanks have self healing, they wouldnt just exclude prot warriors from this enchant
like vdh/blood is gonna proc off cd
or they are gonna make it fair and make NONE of the self healing spells work
also you dont need IP
you have indominatble
and other junk like that
lavish oracle
True, but it would be odd if say Word of Glory didn't trigger it
urban portal
well wog isnt spammed
wog is definitely gonna proc it
but self wog is relatively rare
you usually case free wogs and occasional emergency wogs
open gazelle
Did we change at all from patch notes recently? I canโt find anything
lavish oracle
We had a tier set change tuesday
Cdr from 2 set was increased to 2s, 4set bonus was increased to 300%
Like 3rd down in the pins
lavish oracle
Oh, didn't realize there were live changes
frosty mist
hi guys, question about trinket, I have Blazebinder's hoof (408), Ruby whelp shell(415), Decorationf of flame (402) and granyth's enduring scale (408), what do you think will be the best in a defensive way ?
torn gulch
no defensive trinkets are allowed
on this discord
you want damage, damage and more damage
frosty mist
the shell with aoe dmg or stats ?
mighty valley
i haven't used one for a long time
uneven mason
the shell with aoe dmg or stats ?
Single target is best roi
frosty mist
damn, he's trained for aoe dmg ๐
uneven mason
Little adoriball melts some serious face
So it takes the same button presses to cap
It's literally inconsequential
I saw IP absorbs 25% additional damage and got triggered by poor wording
We use that?
Hm
mighty valley
I'm guessing this is aimed at dps warrior survival more than us? We just get caught in the crossfire
chilly brook
Literally inconsequential change lol
modern brook
its just adjusted for the 25% health boost its a literal net 0 change
mighty valley
yeah it's not a big deal but it is a relative decrease
mighty valley
it's not nothing but... close enough lol
chilly brook
It wonโt go down
modern brook
its like an 8th of a %
chilly brook
Because our HP is going up
chilly brook
its like an 8th of a %
Here you go
mighty valley
this is like blizzard's other favorite trick of tweaking brutal vitality vs. fueled by violence by a fraction of a percent
and people swarm in here like "does this change our entire build?????"
modern brook
cause its a significant buff if it isnt
it is; especially in the context of the reasons behind the 25% stamina buff
they also adjusted all max health heals accordingly
mighty valley
yeah, like. tank-only defensive toolkit % heals got changed to keep up, but others didn't
it's consistent with the "healers should heal you" goals
daring marlin
and people swarm in here like "does this change our entire build?????"
Yes. The answer is yes.
modern brook
yeah, like. tank-only defensive toolkit % heals got changed to keep up, but othe...
off memory Fodder to flame, soothing darkness, and demon skin were all reduced
so the target was not against tank toolkits it was adjusting the value of the heal from % max health heals to not increase effective HPS
agreed its a small change either way for specifically this case of %max healing, but its just consistency across effects for the adjustment
mighty valley
i think we are agreeing
bdk self heals: not intended to change in relative terms
%heals available to dps players: intended to change
mighty valley
we're AGREEING god DAMN it
hardy snow
I saw IP absorbs 25% additional damage and got triggered by poor wording
what was wrong with the wording?
mighty valley
there are so many numbers associated with IP
and people always assume the wrong one
modern brook
i read that change and the first thing in my head is 75% instead of 50% of the damage goes to ip now
mighty valley
yeah it's not that one
the wording is correct, yeah
well... in effective contexts it's sometimes not due to overcapping and blah blah blah
but per cast, the total damage absorbed is being increased by 25%
hardy snow
its just people are overhyped about everything and due to emotions after seeing any change cant even think what is this change actually
mighty valley
yeah
we could get a datamined "protection warrior armor reduced by 0.01%" note
and people would swarm in like "are we F tier now??"
"i def FEEL squishier"
modern brook
all true tbh
we are F tier and i am squishier
plz buff
thats cpm of ss yeah?
so thats what like 25~% uptime on LS?
frosty sapphire
What happened?
modern brook
I feel like they'll patch out the ability to cancel aura it if that ends up being a thing
daring marlin
I feel like they'll patch out the ability to cancel aura it if that ends up bein...
It should just be active during LS tbh.
near steppe
hello guys, just an Icon on waekly quest. it is good right?
what would u use?
so decoration and westone?
nice
since im not raiding i was using decoration cause is easy to pug in
but since the waekly gave me this
fresh igloo
icon and whetstone is a nice combo
near steppe
ill take it
fresh igloo
especially if anyone else in your group has an icon as well.
urban portal
1dps 1 healer
near steppe
got it
i did the quest hopping for that with a channeling u know?
but im happy anyway
edgy locust
stuck peak
sim?
stuck peak
quartz fern
I feel like Decoration is only ever really useful against like heavy bleeds and even then like eh
strong forum
its never useful
useful is too strong of a word to be used for what deco does
it does something