But the time never came
#protection
limpid anchor
vale escarp
Should be this, he's the Boss tank https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vr37wtCFqZ2h1TkQ/#fight=last&type=casts&source=2
vale escarp
So this isnt bugged and as I already told him, he should press buttons
warm plinth
Only blocked half the tankbusters, 65% of the melees
limpid anchor
Good that revenge is the top cast
timber terrace
This low cpm usually means he's clicking
warm plinth
He should be running Heavy Repercussions, no Bolster, Instigate
limpid anchor
That shows dominance
warm plinth
He's using Barbaric Training as boss tank so that's wonderful /s
He's using Defender's Aegis too, ffs
fresh igloo
and only cast shield wall once
warm plinth
He's running spell block but never pressed it, but that's okay because he probably wouldn't have blocked any of the tankbusters anyway because he doesn't press shield block
limpid anchor
He doesn’t use his def cds at all correctly
warm plinth
He wasted 0 rage, but I mean, you gotta generate rage to be able to waste it so that's not really surprising
limpid anchor
So this isnt bugged and as I already told him, he should press buttons
Tell him to read a guide.
He’s missing all of the basics
Absolutely useless in his current state
vale escarp
Most likely i'll tell henshould just go for a DD role
warm plinth
Also I'd like to post a little disclaimer here: I would be a lot less harsh if he were in here seeking help for himself. I fucking hate when co-tanks/other raiders have to come in here and ask for them because they have no desire to improve themselves.
limpid anchor
Nah even if he’s asking himself
warm plinth
But if he were in here, I'd legit just tell him, go read the guide
warm plinth
Because he is fundamentally playing the spec wrong
timber terrace
Tbh if you're actually interested in the game and reading logs you shouldn't be in a guild progressing hc diurna rn
limpid anchor
Late starters
fresh igloo
eh, people play all levels of content for various reasons.
timber terrace
Can one or 2 pull that in pugs for months
limpid anchor
Everyone has to start somewhere
warm plinth
I don't judge anyone for playing a certain level of content and wanting to improve at it 🤷
fresh igloo
no need to shit on people if they want to learn.
it's the people that just don't care and won't try to not be a burden on their group that upset me.
vale escarp
Tbh if you're actually interested in the game and reading logs you shouldn't be ...
We Just wanna have fun tbh but he died way to many time while just "tanking"
warm plinth
same
limpid anchor
We Just wanna have fun tbh but he died way to many time while just "tanking"
I mean, tank is the only mechanic on that boss
timber terrace
I'm just saying if he cares about the game that prot warrior is just a symptom of playing at this level
fresh igloo
if you just want to waste everyone's time being clueless, do solo content. if you wanna be in the group, have some courtesy to everyone else.
whether that's normal, heroic, or mythic raiding, or any M+, or whatever.
warm plinth
Yeah I remember back when I was clearing heroic Nathria, we had like 3 or 4 people who would gray/yellow parse every kill and it made a lot of fights a fuckin slog
Because somehow they were bad at mechanics too despite not even pressing buttons properly
Like if you're not gonna deal damage, at least do the mechanics
timber terrace
Well it's a statistical thing, most players who care about minmaxing aren't in those guilds, the lower you play the more you'll play with people that don't read shit, click and are mechanical bricks
warm plinth
We're not talking about min/maxing though. We're talking fundamentally knowing how to play your character.
timber terrace
So if you care about the game you shouldn't try fixing them 1 by 1 you should just find a guild that better fits your expectations
limpid anchor
Idk it’s impossible to grey parse if you press your buttons
warm plinth
like idc if you do a bunch of damage or whatever but as a tank, dying to stuff you have no business dying to is a burden to your group
vale escarp
Anyway thanks for looking at the Log
warm plinth
And if the guild's goal is to kill H Rasz, and scowli's goal is to kill H Rasz, then their goals align; it's the tank's that apparently don't.
Sure thing
loud musk
how much dmg is Shield Slam "cleaving" with the new 4p? Like is it a 1 to 1 conversion say if Shield Slam does 100 ist it now 100 to all in the cone? or do I not understand the set?
warm plinth
The damage the 4-set does is not related to the damage Shield Slam does
They are two entirely different things. Shield Slam just procs it.
loud musk
ohhh I see
warm plinth
The damage it does is approximately the equivalent of 3x a thunder clap
per Shield Slam
loud musk
is that with the Buffs?
warm plinth
yes
limpid anchor
Wasn’t it 200 dps or so in st before buffs ?
jagged pier
yes
limpid anchor
Isn’t it still kinda bad then?
jagged pier
🤷 i just woke up
sturdy haven
Ran it as a dungeon slice, would you guys go for more dps (cleaver) or the versa/haste (maul or crusher) weapons?
jagged pier
well u dont use dungeon slice for 1
and weps dont matter they are all the same thats just margin of error difference
and u go crit haste
sturdy haven
cleaver has crit haste yeah, the other two has haste vers
Ok, thank you! I didn't know not to run as dungeon slice.
wowhead was telling me a diff stat prio
thin silo
the general consensus is haste/crit or haste/vers, whichever you prefer
amber siren
The wowhead prot guide has many issues with it unfortunately
But for stat priority crit and vers are p much personal preference
sturdy haven
So really no wrong choice for them stats then, appreciate it.
If the wowhead prot guide is lackluster, how about the pin in this channel?
#protection message
last updated Dec. 27th o.o
jagged pier
guides are a starting point not the be all and end all of everything
both IV and wowhead guides give u the correct information to get started
sturdy haven
Holy moly, you can hover over the edited text to see when it has been updated. TIL another thing 😄
warm plinth
😉
sturdy haven
Yeah, I'm fresh to prot war in DF. Appreciate all the help yall
warm plinth
That's what we're here for
sturdy haven
Most fun tanking by far 😛 - just haven't tried monk or druid tanking yet
crude notch
That's what we're here for
I'm here for you. 
warm plinth
remote venture
Most fun tanking by far 😛 - just haven't tried monk or druid tanking yet
I have started again with wow and start play prot warrior and some brewmaster. Brewmaster is fun but there is a lot of buttons you need to care about then with warrior.
sinful copper
how often do i need to be in defensive stance? is it bad to just play in battle stance for higher dps? in just reg 20's
pallid quiver
Wrong way around; you default to Battle, and use Defensive like a defensive CD
So for all those telegraphed tankbusters that make hurty, like Hyrja shield and what not, just slip into Defense Stance, deal with it, then back to bonk
vale escarp
There are like 3 Bosses in m+ where I use Defstance
median tulip
The Bird in Academy, the Monk boss in TotJS, and Hyrja in HoV
2nd boss in Ruby as well, on really high keys
lime urchin
1st boss ruby on high tyrannical keys you don’t d-stance at all?
What a chad
I wish I was brave enough
But then again, I don’t do high keys at all 
strong forum
That boss is quite scripted
The only time you're in danger is when you eat 2 mechanics at the same time (and if the boss lives too long)
median tulip
I can't say I've ever had quite as many problems with the first boss as with the second
vast field
Is this only a thing for ppl with high enough gear or should I be in battle even in lower gear levels when trying to push keys?
warm plinth
Is this only a thing for ppl with high enough gear or should I be in battle even...
It's for everyone. The vast majority of your survival comes from proper play, not gear.
heavy temple
It's for everyone. The vast majority of your survival comes from proper play, n...
I always felt, you don't need to play well until you reach 23/24s. Before that, you can mostly be fine by just knowing the dungeon well. At least that's how i felt when i jumped into keys on fresh alts.
amber siren
knowing what's going to kill you is 50% of the challenge
sturdy haven
What would yall rock?
Personally, the puzzle box 2s cast time is big oof
Blazebinder's hoof looks like some hella nice haste with damn good temp str and some aoe dmg to come along
warm plinth
what is the bottom middle one?
amber siren
that's the haste one i think from the boa tokens
rocky bronze
I would use Hoof + Granyth
heavy temple
It feels so weird to me, that we get the SS cleave from tier after LS ended.
Whats the upside of those design? It just sounds odd.
runic hatch
I'm going to tank for the first time in a while (probably back a few extensions) and I'm thinking of playing prot warrior for 10.1
How do you guys feel about Prot Warrior now? I know it was really strong but got a lot of nerfs, and has now been "replaced" by Prot Pally.
I don't plan on pushing insane keys so I know I should be able to play what I prefer, but I still like to know how's the spec doing. Ty!
heavy temple
I'm going to tank for the first time in a while (probably back a few extensions)...
If you don't plan on pushing, you can play what playstyle you prefer. AFAIK there is no guardian dumpsterfire spec as in the start of s1.
So if you have nostalgia with pwarr, or just like it, go for it.
verbal wren
You have a lot less utility than ppal, so it means you get to ignore your teammates and just do damage. Bonus.
heavy temple
Ofcourse, you can chase the meta option, but balance changes were frequent in season 1, so there is no gurantee, prot pally will stay dominant.
runic hatch
You have a lot less utility than ppal, so it means you get to ignore your teamma...
We already have a Ret pally so not sure about ppal
amber siren
Prot warrior will still be as strong as 10.7, our only nerf was pretty minor outside of a possibly not-great set bonus
heavy temple
We already have a Ret pally so not sure about ppal
Thta is of no concern. My m+ group early season 1 had 1pwrr 2xfury. Just play what is fun for you, needs to be emphasized really strongly, unless it is a dumpsterfire spec, imo
errant leaf
Yo guys our s2 set got buffed last night didnt he ?
runic hatch
My healer friend isn't the best so ppal does have some good tools...
amber siren
Yo guys our s2 set got buffed last night didnt he ?
Yeah it did, I'm not a numbers guy though so I'm not sure how big of a gap closer it was
heavy temple
Prot warrior will still be as strong as 10.7, our only nerf was pretty minor out...
it got buffed recently, or? I am just still baffled by the AoE thingy happening AFTER last stand
heavy temple
Can't wait for 10.1
Can't wait to step into other dungeons. I really do not know, how i pulled through SL, with the same dungeons for 1.5 years.
topaz field
oh yea cant wait to go into bugged dungeons again
and pay on a monthly basis for that experience
ionic fern
Yo guys our s2 set got buffed last night didnt he ?
Went from around 600-700 DPS to 1.5-1.6k DPS for the SS extra effect on ST.
LS went down from ~1.5m to 1.2m
uncut dome
Any inputs on tanking mythic raza, how hard is it and are there alot to be attentive of?
errant leaf
thats pog
uncut dome
He is a blook dk
Lol
How come I am chilling if he is BDK?
Well tier set for 10.1 god buffed pretty well
ember tangle
He can tank razs during winds so she doesnt move, he can generally live a lot easier than you,
uncut dome
Does that mean mommy raza hurts Pwars?
jagged pier
i mean raz is easy to tank regarless very ez not to move during the wings espeically now
uncut dome
Okay cool
ember tangle
Just make sure to have block up when you taunt as you likely still have the debuff
uncut dome
Got it cool lads thanks
grave flower
Only tough part about raz for me is threat during first intermission. I found out the adds threat table isn’t live the second they’re out you need to wait a second. Otherwise raz is a simple fight for us.
uncut dome
Cool brothers and sisters thanks
hardy snow
I guess brutal vitality is still broken, so in s2 without old 4p will it be better to go back to FbV after its latest small buff (29% increased healing vs 25% increased mobs dmg I would say its still a buff)?
astral crystal
How come I am chilling if he is BDK?
because you barely do anything in that fight
with a bdk cotank
uncut dome
Perfecto
sullen gust
So the tier set changes, I understand the 2 piece (kinda simple but I do love being rewarded for shooting out abilities)
But the 4set im confused as to what it does? I know before it did like an AOE shield Slam, did that change?
jagged pier
it never and isnt an aoe shield slam
SS triggers a shockwave for 20 seconds after LS
sullen gust
Sorry that's what I meant, in my head it's like an aoe effect on Shield Slam.
Is the damage from it relevant?
hardy snow
it got 300% buff, imagine how shit it has to be before receiving such buff in one tuning 
tame jasper
SS triggers a shockwave for 20 seconds after LS
Thx Blizz for an uncontrollable DR-builder… 🤬🤬
sick sentinel
well
lets be fa ir
is "triggers a shockwave"
even a fucking like cast of the ability thats in our spell book
cuz "triggers a shockwave" if untested.... could mean ..... ANYTHING
so it might even be 180 ability
360
hardy snow
shockwave is a shockwave
daring marlin
what the hell am I reading
tame jasper
cuz "triggers a shockwave" if untested.... could mean ..... ANYTHING
Yes I make, because of the context of the warrior set in combination with the exact same wording of warriors shockwave, the assumption its the same effect. It‘s another proof of bad communication by Blizz. I hope I‘m wrong and it‘s only a damaging wave, but on the other hand we know shortthinking blizz is
sick sentinel
let me put it in a more different way for you to understand
daring marlin
Yes I make, because of the context of the warrior set in combination with the ex...
From messing with it, it's just damage bro
sick sentinel
you know for fact that it casts a shockwave like out of our spell book with same effect, cd and dmg?
daring marlin
They wouldn't make you actually cast a SHOCKWAVE every SS cast.
sick sentinel
ive not been on ptr, so i don't know this stuff
jagged pier
i never said it was the same spell or the same effect
i said it triggers a shockwave
sick sentinel
hmm so where tdoes the DR fit in?
daring marlin
jagged pier
not stun DR
daring marlin
It appears Bukama genuinely thought it was a stun every SS cast
tame jasper
Dininishing return on stun @sick sentinel
jagged pier
i really wish ppl would read what tier sets do
daring marlin
i really wish ppl would read what tier sets do
I agree
jagged pier
sick sentinel
yeah, that would be extremely cancer for CC DR's
daring marlin
MFs are just bored wanting new content I think
tame jasper
SS triggers a shockwave for 20 seconds after LS
I really wish ppl would use exact wording 🤪 playing the ball back to you 😘
jagged pier
shockwave is differnt to a shockwave
daring marlin
jagged pier
one refers to a spell in a book and is a direct link to the ability
sick sentinel
that effect would be BAD ASS on spitefull weeks
jagged pier
the other is a term used for a wave of force
sick sentinel
literal bis goated in that vacuum
hardy snow
shockwave is an mechanic, Shockwave is our aoe stun skill
there are alot of different shocwaves in game 😄
tame jasper
the other is a term used for a wave of force
Hmm. Was not clear to me (not a native speaker)
daring marlin
sick sentinel
there would be no a in there
i play at a 6-7 intelligence in the game of IRL if we were playing fallout, not much for mentats but they do work.
playing at 2-3 intellegence sounds fun, but its really not i find. usually was speech barter pistols
kind ivy
Guys, been having a hard time surviving the bleeding from mythic diurna adds. Any tips?
jagged pier
well the healers have to heal u
or get an evoker to remove it
or externals
or use your defesnives correctly
uneven mason
Guys, been having a hard time surviving the bleeding from mythic diurna adds. An...
Remind the healers you're a viable target for green nnumbers
misty moss
Shockwave on SS looking kinda fun. New 4pc is less Miti than old 4pc but more damage is always welcome.
uneven mason
It's a lot better now
lusty tiger
Are they taking tank busters back out of m+ for s2?
misty moss
Wish it wasn’t tied to “when LS ends”, maybe another spell, oh well. Good enough.
jagged pier
its also not shockwave on SS
misty moss
Shockwave is a wave of force. Not the ability Shockwave. Obviously /s
misty moss
Hahaha
uneven mason
"shieldwave"
uneven mason
Are they taking tank busters back out of m+ for s2?
I hope not, not completely anyway
The Buster's were an engaging thing
lusty tiger
I prefer raids to be the content for that kind of stuff
I liked bosses being chill after all the work each trash pull requires
uneven mason
Well the expectations I think was that the boss damage was a major engagement for healing but it's turned into a tank problem
So they might be removing the buster in favor of more group healing with the additional 25%
lusty tiger
That’s what I’m hoping
lusty tiger
Bosses like hyrja ruined the fun of tank busters for me
Also
A lot of those fights with tank busters remove the tank from the pool of eligible boss mechanics
kind ivy
yh, brew chill hard on hyrja
uneven mason
Brew has so many CD
Warriors are poggers on hyrja
Like you have 3 cd you can stack for each Kamehameha
marble cipher
Spell Reflection + Defensive Stance + ?
marble cipher
still, 4, for EACH?
I know I'm not the best prot warrior out there, but I fail to find them 😄
uneven mason
SW splock ls rally demo
modern brook
Sr dstance demo sw?
marble cipher
you won't have all of those for each
you have all of those for the fight, and many multiple times, but not all of those for each
marble cipher
kk, semantics that I was missing then, I thought you meant "the same x for each" 😉
my bad
uneven mason
So 2 are dstance and Sr, then stack sw with DS or ls etc.. then splock with the other
Big burst of magic
We can reduce that to a tickle
It's dots that fuck us
uneven mason
kk, semantics that I was missing then, I thought you meant "the same x for each"...
Semantics is why I exist! Just look at the wording on that IP adjustment!!!
IP absorbs 25% additional damage != IP absorb is increased by 25%.
strong forum
my suspicion for that change is the fact that we're losing current tierset
and to make up for that defensive loss, you get buffed IP
weak snow
did they just like double the strength of the upcoming pwar tierset?
hushed harbor
The way the 4ps is currently designed, are we popping last stand out of combat to try and get the buff once packs have been gathered up?
jagged pier
that would be dumb as its part of your shield block uptime now
hushed harbor
Ok so what would be the not dumb way to play the 4pc in 10.1?
hardy snow
my suspicion for that change is the fact that we're losing current tierset
IP buff is to compensate 25% increased stamina and dmg on mobs
novel temple
I’m just happy that last stand is gonna be usable more often
uneven mason
IP buff is to compensate 25% increased stamina and dmg on mobs
The stamina increase itself would increase the IP cap by 25%
novel temple
Last stand leaving anger management was sad af
strong forum
IP buff is to compensate 25% increased stamina and dmg on mobs
ah right, forgor this is happening
hardy snow
The stamina increase itself would increase the IP cap by 25%
cap yes, but its buff to how much you get per usage of skill
uneven mason
Is fairly inconsequential
true coral
is Lariat still gonna be good for prot next tier
uneven mason
It's still probably capped in the same casts
modern brook
Is fairly inconsequential
In fact it's non-consequential by design
hardy snow
yes it is
that was the point of change
change to stamina and mobs dmg is to push more pressure on healers, other changes to tanks are made to compensete that
and to make them not feel it that much
uneven mason
In fact it's non-consequential by design
Like I mean the adjustment, they could've left it be
modern brook
Ans nerf rogue 😦
modern brook
Like I mean the adjustment, they could've left it be
Nah as per jawor argument
hardy snow
which is quite dumb in my opinion as this change affects tanks differently, they could just nerf all healing/absorbs done by healers by X% and have similar effect, that would truly not affect any other specs
modern brook
which is quite dumb in my opinion as this change affects tanks differently, they...
I'm fine with the change tbh, if tanks are knocked from literal to demi gods that's probably also pretty healthy
ionic fern
that would be dumb as its part of your shield block uptime now
Hear me out.
You can LS->/cancelaura LS to keep the SB buff from Bolster AND instantly get the buff for the AOE cleave damage.
amber siren
jagged pier
hardy snow
isnt 2p buff to SS dmg doubled during LS? or its only cdr doubled?
dry spear
Guys, been having a hard time surviving the bleeding from mythic diurna adds. An...
the adds? yeah, let an evoker dispell a two stack. best time would be if you jump away to get aggro from a pack.
dry spear
You can LS->/cancelaura LS to keep the SB buff from Bolster AND instantly get th...
lol please?
gleaming prawn
- laughs in dwarf *
urban bane
How many seconds of extra LS cdr would you lose by doing the cancelaura, probably not much, right? I guess it'd add up over a key, potentially.
jagged pier
it would be a fair bit i think
hardy snow
like 3-4 shield slams, so it would be 6-8s per LS cast
jagged pier
thats not insubstantial
crimson furnace
hardy snow
well, it was shit, and now its not
strong forum
it went from 3/10 to 6/10
torn gulch
solar sandal
lol anyone know if logging out and logging in over and over again still works for the hidden legion artifact appearance at nelth's? xD
strong forum
once a day chance per character
dry spear
i wouldnt cancel LS because of the double dmg during LS :D
strong forum
if youre NA, yes
solar sandal
ok thanks
urban bane
given more LS uses, would unnerving focus potentially give more overall rage in low target/single target fights than instigator?
urban portal
likely
hardy snow
or just go BS+UF 
jagged pier
i mean i was dropping instegate in raid already 500 rage over raz
just didnt seem worth
strong forum
or just go BS+UF <:wicked:937093876857045012>
what else do you drop
you cant drop anything
strong forum
hardy snow
with bolster ED might not be necessary
shut spoke
Are they removing the CD of sheild slam?
hardy snow
Are they removing the CD of sheild slam?
no
strong forum
thats just datamining
dont pay too much attention to it
the dmg part of it still exists
but the aura got applied at the wrong place
shut spoke
I just saw the duration at the bottom and it matched the CD on sheild slam. Also it was talking about the proc chance of resetting it. So was just trying to figure it out
strong forum
just some data string shit, not actual changes
hardy snow
duration ≠ cooldown
shut spoke
Gotcha
strong forum
most of the time you can kinda ignore these kind of posts
if its not some kind of AP formula changing, and if its just some weird stuff, its mostly nothing that impacts the game
shut spoke
Ah... thanks for the clarification
weary saddle
i feel abit cheated, as if my hard earned power has been taken away.
strong forum
?
gleaming prawn
Goofy AH blizz
uneven mason
Keeping away from the oneshot territory is great, kudos to blizzard for staying ahead of that
uneven mason
I'm not really sure it's a good solution because the problem seems to be not well understood
But it's better than just bumping npc damage or nerfing healing directly
strong forum
they just think healers heal too much
and this is the best way to nerf them indirectly
its easier to just bump everything by 25% except healer spells
hardy snow
wouldnt it be easier to just nerf healers by 20-25%?
strong forum
that fucks with pvp
hardy snow
then make this change in PvE only
odd tree
And getting nerfed feels bad
blazing condor
PVP 
crude notch
They did the same thing for S1
strong forum
i dont think theres a single spell in the game that gets stronger when its in pvp
thatd be weird
to apply a +33% aura in pvp to your healing spells
usually spells are nerfed in pvp, but none are buffed
solar sandal
does the 4pc in 10.1 mean we use LS for damage or how does that change rotation if at all?
prisma crane
you'll use LS on CD
solar sandal
im guessing we always take bolster then too? or does that point get taken up by spell reflect most of the time?
urban portal
wouldnt it be easier to just nerf healers by 20-25%?
people would complain about walking on a treadmill
imagine having the same HPS in 10.1 as 10.0
people play this game for numbers
especially healers
round pendant
especially healers
Which is funny considering how parsing HPS is just based on how shit other people are, so their numbers are the least consistent numbers in the game
crude notch
no healer with a brain cares about their healing parse
cerulean tusk
Parsing was fun until I disliked the builds needed to get there. Now I am that bottom 20 DPS, but I am enjoying myself more. Rotation won over parses
tender phoenix
is a [Gift of Radiance] 421 a better upgrade over [Granyth's Enduring Scale]415 [Windscar Whetstone]415 (whetstone also has avoidance if that matters)
prisma crane
whetstone
winged sage
Holy shit, the 4-piece SLAPS in aoe
modern brook
is a [Gift of Radiance] 421 a better upgrade over [Granyth's Enduring Scale]415 ...
Defensive trinkets are rarely worthwhile
tender phoenix
Defensive trinkets are rarely worthwhile
so replace the scale for gift is what ur saying in a roundabout way?
dusky canopy
Parsing in general usually requires some form of cheese or strat to be on top
It’s not like you just play the regular build without much extra thought and parse rank 1
dusky canopy
no healer with a brain cares about their healing parse
Also I would assume healer parse does matter if one is trying to climb guilds because you need to be able to show you’re capable
crude notch
Also I would assume healer parse does matter if one is trying to climb guilds be...
Any guild worth their salt isn't gonna look at a healer parse number and be like "oh I'm gonna recruit this person".
dusky canopy
Of course not
But they’ll be like oh this guy 3 healer terros he’s worth looking into
dusky canopy
You don’t parse high without running less healers?
So yes the first point of interest is the parse percentile
cerulean tusk
Open log, check healer DPS, all that mattered
crude notch
are you arguing semantics then?
dusky canopy
I’m simply stating that healer parse matters as well, the statement “anybody with a brain doesn’t care about healer parse” is just false.
crude notch
Except, it's not.
dusky canopy
It’s like when people argue that tank parse doesn’t matter. Yes it absolutely does. A guild will prefer a tank who lives first, followed by a tank who lives and also does more damage
modern brook
so replace the scale for gift is what ur saying in a roundabout way?
Basically. "You can trust your sim" is another good interpretation.
crude notch
Tank is a different role from healer, y'know.
dusky canopy
Same logic applies
crude notch
No
dusky canopy
Percentile matters guaranteed
cinder nova
Healer parses are almost unanimously heal sniping or overgearing. You don't learn anything valuable from a healer that overgears a fight.
Healer DPS is pretty similar, you're not getting a ton of it beyond obvious downtime in a fight or when it's farm content.
dusky canopy
Imagine some guy applies to a world top 100 guild with 50 percentile average
dusky canopy
Of course they are not I recognize that
cinder nova
And infer much more
crude notch
They're not gonna even give his parse a second thought they're immediately going to look at logs and do reference checking
dusky canopy
But to say that they are not making a quick glance decision based off of parse history is just not true
crude notch
A top 100 guild CERTAINLY is not
cinder nova
This is blatant pedantry.
crude notch
Most top 100 guilds you get into via knowing someone who knows someone.
cerulean tusk
I actually believe they would. If they see all grey, why look in even further?
dusky canopy
Guaranteed a first glance decision is made weather or not a person is worth looking into based off of parse history
In pretty much any CE guild
cinder nova
For life half of Siege in BFA I was in a T200. When I applied they asked me for my fucking UI before even looking at my logs.
And then they asked for very specific logs and asked me about moments in those logs
cerulean tusk
And you were all greys?
crude notch
A healing parse number is so insignificant that any guild that IS making decisions based on those numbers probably isn't worth taking remotely serious.
cinder nova
Parse numbers, barring actual dogshit perf average, are rarely the deciding factor.
dusky canopy
Again I recognize we’re talking about the value of a healer parse. Yes you do not simply recruit someone because of high parse history, but saying healer parse is irrelevant is wrong.
crude notch
It is irrelevant
cinder nova
It really is, high parses are legit just farm runs
It tells you nothing about prog perf
That's what the want
crude notch
It'll have no final bearing on whether or not a guild that properly trials will keep you on.
cerulean tusk
Well, brew, they acknowledge d that is a factor now. So we done 👍
crude notch
It's not a factor
dusky canopy
In reality what matters is optimal usage of cds managing mana etc I’m not disagreeing
cinder nova
When you're looking for people to prog to CE you want to see how they operate during PROG, not farm.
cerulean tusk
You telling me, if you apply with all greys, they will keep looking into you?
dusky canopy
I still hard dis agree that the parse is irrelevant
cinder nova
This is actual brainlet mode
crude notch
If your best argument is someone with all greys applying to a guild they themselves know they shouldn't be applying to, you're being dense.
cinder nova
You telling me, if you apply with all greys, they will keep looking into you?
Again, this is blatant pedantry. The stance has mutated from parses being a large influencing factor in a candidate to whether or not they have any impact at all.
cerulean tusk
So, you would say it matters then
crude notch
No.
cerulean tusk
Aight
dusky canopy
Parse itself isn’t a large influencer on weather or not you get a spot, but it does give a first glance impression of is this person worth my time, witch is why it matters.
crude notch
Stop trying to make fetch happening.
cerulean tusk
He right tho, just in 9/10 cases where logs are checked, not the 1 you are strong arming
hushed cobalt
Talking about healer parses in a tank channel? I never!
cinder nova
Unless they copped that 99 because they got in during a low parse count
cerulean tusk
Sure, but seeing all greys tell you they are dog
cinder nova
Seeing all greys is agnostic, and has nothing to do with healer parsing. The discussion is about healer parses specifically, and conditions in which examining them at face value constitutes it as a valuable filter.
dusky canopy
In fact if I remember correctly this was discussed amongst max and scripe in one of there long ass raid discussion videos
cinder nova
Which, surprise, it doesn't. The difference between a blue/purple parsing DPS and a blue/parsing Healer is night and day
cerulean tusk
If healer greys healing and DPS, you ain't giving them time if day (other than in extreme cases)
dusky canopy
I mean I know we’re right they can deny it all they want it’s not like anything changes from this discussion
cerulean tusk
Fair
cinder nova
That is to say nothing of a given raid encounter adversely affecting candidacy because of assignments that could affect an overall parse.
urban bane
healer grey agnostic? you don't think there's an immediate impression made from that? not saying anything about its validity, but you're saying that wouldnt give you an impression at all?
cinder nova
The discussion is about healer parses specifically. Grey parsing on any role is an obvious warning, and isn't specific to healers.
astral crystal
more often than not grey parsing means you died anyway
dusky canopy
You do not parse high on a healer without optimal play
You do not parse high on a tank without optimal play
dusky canopy
You do not parse high on a dps without optimal play
dusky canopy
Some guy solo heals a mythic boss
Witch gives him rank 1 parse
But we don’t care about that
cinder nova
Look at M Soulrender
cerulean tusk
What now
cinder nova
If you were one of the DPS that were told to cleave your parse is gonna be way higher than people who were left to ST.
dusky canopy
I’m well aware that’s the exact example I was about to spit out
cinder nova
Same with tanks on M Brood
cerulean tusk
You still would not grey tho
cinder nova
No, but you're not doing anything that's eyepopping.
cinder nova
In fact, if anything, M Brood tanks are probably more closely examined when they're tanking Brood than adds.
gleaming prawn
What's a good M+ build if I am going to be pugging a healer?
verbal wren
What does pugging the healer matter vs knowing them?
gleaming prawn
Do I need to change anything from the pinned build?
cerulean tusk
What's a good M+ build if I am going to be pugging a healer?
Same as always, no changes
gleaming prawn
What does pugging the healer matter vs knowing them?
It being socially acceptable to yell at them
cerulean tusk
Don't yell at them
gleaming prawn
I don't
cinder nova
Yeah, it stays pretty basal. If you're really sweating you could probably drop something for Bitter, but you really shouldn't need that even with PUG healers.
gleaming prawn
It's only been an issue once so far
cinder nova
Someone not healing isn't really going to be a you thing to solve.
verbal wren
I mean if the healer is garbage, none of your talents are going to fix that.
dusky canopy
Definitely run the nom M+ build
cinder nova
There is basically a point where you're supposed to worry about your job and perform the best that you can, reacting to unforeseen hazards as they arise, but ultimately you're going to have to trust your party to actually do their job too.
dusky canopy
It will suit you well
cinder nova
Trying to worry about your job and everyone else's is probably gonna get you killed more than anything.
If you die from a lack of healing and the key is bricked, leave and try again.
gleaming prawn
Just didn't know if something like x2 SW was handy in those situations or nah
dusky canopy
Nah
cinder nova
Has nothing to do with the healer and everything to do with the key.
cinder nova
Having SpB and double wall is important on Tyr Jade
dusky canopy
That’s healer prob IF you are managing your defense properly
Like if you die to jade kick with wall and dstance active
cinder nova
Has nothing to do with your healer being PUG or not, although I'm sure at like eyewateringly high keys it might.
dusky canopy
That healer prob
gleaming prawn
It do be like that
dusky canopy
Andy doing rank 1 Prot keys doesn’t even run aegis in jade tyr
gleaming prawn
Are the directions of the waves random?
dusky canopy
Yes
gleaming prawn
I gotta look into why they were just not showing up for me
dusky canopy
Could be a visual setting maybe? But I don’t know
gleaming prawn
I tried looking around on the forums but didn't see anything. On a vid of a run you can see it pop up during the kick cast. For me the waves spawned as she did it and flew out instantly
dusky canopy
It pretty much spawns 2ish seconds after you see the circle appear
gleaming prawn
Maybe I'll just run further out so I have more time to react.
Thankfully both my buddies have BR
Ty to everyone answering my noob questions.
lavish oracle
Just didn't know if something like x2 SW was handy in those situations or nah
It absolutely is handy, but you can get by without it
So generally it's better to try to play without it
near steppe
Like if you die to jade kick with wall and dstance active
Happend to me 2 days ago. Died on a +18 with dstance + shield wall and on a second try with dstance + sw + spell reflect to help wver further. Felt useless. Wanted to quit tanking but pugging as dps is hard
dusky canopy
Yeah it sounds like in that case scenario healer failed at healing
If you’re eating the circle or the line that could also have caused your death tbf
lavish oracle
I find I have to make sure I'm standing on the same side of the boss as the healer
near steppe
I was like for almost 5 seconds with that hp block spamming ig pain and the holy pally couldnt top me 😦
dusky canopy
I usually tank boss in the middle where she spawns with my back to the stairs
near steppe
If you’re eating the circle or the line that could also have caused your death t...
Was outbfor circle and dodged lines
near steppe
Yeah
dusky canopy
That’s pug life haha
near steppe
Ill try not tilt in that cenarios
silk pine
Hey how is the testing of the new buffed set? 1min cd on last stand probably? and how much dps?
near steppe
Yesterday I played fury but i want the tank queue time back
dusky canopy
Hey how is the testing of the new buffed set? 1min cd on last stand probably? an...
It was said earlier, up from .5% to 3%ish so it’s less garbage now
lavish oracle
Hey how is the testing of the new buffed set? 1min cd on last stand probably? an...
Was a little more than a minute based on fucking around on a training dummy yesterday
shut summit
ye im getting 65-75sec on training dummy with bolster
lavish oracle
Maybe can get it a little lower with more haste from better gear
near steppe
Fury owns too
I liked fury but taking 1h to be invited hits me
dusky canopy
I haven’t had much trouble getting into 21s-22s as fury but mileage must vary depending on key level
near steppe
Im trying to jump into 20s
lavish oracle
There's a big barrier to entry for 20s, generally
Lot of applicants, usually you just get filtered out as a dps if you haven't already timed it
fresh igloo
I liked fury but taking 1h to be invited hits me
why would you use one handers as fury
OH
1 hour
sorry.
lol
thick osprey
Lot of applicants, usually you just get filtered out as a dps if you haven't alr...
Tanks too
I think healers usually get some leniency
Because they're so rare
daring marlin
ye im getting 65-75sec on training dummy with bolster
yuge
hardy snow
Are the directions of the waves random?
no, someone described yesterday iirc that its based on position of closest target, so you can bait by being closest person to boss
daring marlin
I thought it was random too and was like 
at people saying you could bait it
cinder nova
Didn't it used to be facing-reliant?
near steppe
What dgs u like using spell block?
U have a WA or something to help knowing what is blockable?
uneven mason
Generally if it's magic damage it'll work with spellblock afaik, sense has a doc in the pins
near steppe
Okay, thanks
echo egret
Piercing Shards (Crystal Furies in AV) is nature damage, would spell block work on these ?
marble cipher
Yes
hardy snow
on initial hit, not on dot
echo egret
Because the 3-pack at the entrance, even with heroism, has been dreadful to me every time I tried it
hardy snow
you can also dont pull it 🙂
echo egret
That group today wanted to skip frogs "because of explosives" so I had to take it
OFC they failed to stun the Arcane buff
echo egret
Well
strong forum
You're removing the most efficient pulls in the dungeon, to pull more dangerous pulls earlier
So dumb
echo egret
That was the 2nd group - the 1st one kicked me when I said I wanted to do the frogs on explosive.
strong forum
Pugs are fucking idiots
echo egret
Sadly that's all I have
uneven mason
I love pulling shit that can go cc immune and has a targeted cone that'll fuck us up and Giga HP instead of leapybois that do zero damage
left basalt
uneven mason
They're not since it hard leans groups to exclude warriors
Afflicted anyway
We have a lot of tool for incorporeal
shut summit
incorp is not great for us
shockwave / fear dont hit them (fear only works if you actually target the incorp mob)
uneven mason
shockwave / fear dont hit them (fear only works if you actually target the incor...
Wat
Why the fuck
shut summit
it is single target only
uneven mason
That's a ball of shit
shut summit
they last for 20secs so we're kinda balls for them
uneven mason
" they're susceptible to all cc (except warriors because fuck you warriors)"
crude notch
They're not susceptible to all cc
daring marlin
Are they undead?
urban portal
Blizzard isn’t racist
elfin quarry
Blizzard isn’t racist
That random?
dusky canopy
incorp will prob be a shit pug week for sure until people start to get used to it
oak echo
pretty sure people already tested like MC, control undead,etc and it didn't work
shut summit
correct
daring marlin
good lol
dusky canopy
Idk if it’s changed since last I watched some streams but having 4 of them spawned at once seems excessive
Like you expect pugs to cc 4 mobs PLUS the pull they’re doing at the same time
Kinda wild
oak echo
yeah i think that's the main complain left with that and afflicted. they scale too much with pull size
shut summit
yea wouldnt be surprised for it to be 2 max
even then, warr/dk basically fully rely on group for incorp
ionic roost
You don't really need a long cc
Their cast Is 8 seconds
So you just need a 5 second CC
Ish
Less with a warlock
uneven mason
We can do one every 90s
ionic roost
You just use a bunch of break on damage CC's anyways
ionic roost
We can do one every 90s
Storm bolt
oak echo
ya i think storm bolt is the only actual warrior option for them anyways
crude notch
Imagine being a Bear:)
dusky canopy
Bear can hibernate? Or does that cause shapeshift
oak echo
i think it takes you out of bear lol
crude notch
Kek
dusky canopy
Ooof
crude notch
Time to swap Incap for Mighty Bash baby!
oak echo
actually maybe not...idk now. i remember i used to hibernate the mistcaller add when i played bear. it might only be entangle that breaks bear
ionic roost
What in the dog shit development hell are we doing guys
Well they can be kicked
dusky canopy
Don’t worry don’t worry it’ll be polished perfectly by the 9th
daring marlin
dusky canopy
crude notch
Ah yes nothing like a cool crisp 1.5 second cast time cc
ionic roost
Tbh for weeks with Incorp, you just always makes sure to have a non-guardian druid or warlock and it's a non-affix you just make them do it
Or mage
oak echo
i will let that cast go off the whole key before you can make me take repentance
ionic roost
Easiest blacklist for the 4 other players lifes
dusky canopy
Guaranteed pug life going to be real ass that week if you’re not one of the preferred specs for that
ionic roost
Guaranteed pug life going to be real ass that week if you’re not one of the pref...
It seems like there's a bunch that are good tbh
crude notch
It really isn't that hard to deal with
dusky canopy
Yeah I’m not too concerned about it the community we’ll work out what makes it the easiest and naturally we’ll just all do that lol
grizzled kite
does SR have any uses on Broodkeeper? like can it help mitigate Stoneclaw in P1?
dusky canopy
I don’t think so because you’ll get smoked by the bleed after initial hit
dusky canopy
Oh my mistake I quickly glanced at your question
Physical portion is blockable, magical portion is blockable with spell block and is NOT reflectable
According to the pin google doc ^
velvet narwhal
whats the reason for running spell block during raza mythic btw ?
velvet narwhal
ayyy thanks 😄
cinder nova
We got any prelim sims for 2p/4p
uneven mason
Physical portion is blockable, magical portion is blockable with spell block and...
I mean can't reflect but SR still provides it's mitigation
inland mesa
whats the reason for running spell block during raza mythic btw ?
It negates p3 beam with shield wall your health shouldn't really move.
I also use it in p1 and p2 on jaws. 3 jaws per phase, shield wall 1 and 3, block 2. I also use it in p2 intermission when my add ports
prisma crane
shockwave / fear dont hit them (fear only works if you actually target the incor...
not that we'd want to, but does SC work on them?
warm plinth
SC should since it only stuns the primary target
shut summit
it does
warm plinth
also hi Sense o/
prisma crane
i figured, but wanted to be sure, ty
hardy snow
Finally killed diurna, wish we had more time to start rasza 
sick sentinel
my d2 paladin looks derpy AF
uneven mason
its that style of helmet, just makes anyone look like an inept hechman
warm plinth
That's why every skelly boi in DS1 wears one
azure temple
picked up prot warr last week, should i be swapping between stances much? if not which stance is best?
warm plinth
Battle Stance until you need Defensive Stance (which will be for tankbusters or certain boss fights)
azure temple
okay cheers
grizzled kite
Finally killed diurna, wish we had more time to start rasza <:deadge:90027992713...
Grats man, we just started prog on her 🙂
slim dove
Finally killed diurna, wish we had more time to start rasza <:deadge:90027992713...
if ur eu just book off the next 2 weeks and go hard kekw
daring marlin
Fingers crossed for Siege of Boralus in S3 amirite, lads?
slim dove
stonecore i beg
violet flume
maw of souls pls 😄
daring marlin
yuck
make CoS/SBG look difficult/time consuming!
watch 'em add a whole ass boss and area to make it longer
that'd be pog
grizzled kite
Isn't like half that dungeon spamming abilities to clear trash on drakes?
daring marlin
yeah it's ass
warm plinth
stonecore i beg
I second this. I don't even care if it does bad things to me
Love that dungeon
slim dove
maw of souls was similar length to sbg 🤷
buyt we already did it 500000 times so no pls
daring marlin
maw of souls was similar length to sbg 🤷
no way
warm plinth
Nah Maw was definitely shorter
slim dove
you can look at times
daring marlin
Bonemaw is half Maw of Souls length itself.
slim dove
iirc they are very close.
violet flume
maw was giga short
prob shortest dungeon in wow
only dungeon i recall having a reputation for being short like that was mechanar
and maw is shorter im psure
warm plinth
Maw had a 24 minute timer. SBG has a 33 minute timer.
Maw was literally run up a hill, run across the bottom of a boat, walk across the top of the boat, done
crude notch
Hmm
woeful cypress
tldr on 4pc buff? i know sense said it sucked dps wise before, do it just suck a bit less now?
grizzled kite
Yes
pallid quiver
tldr on 4pc buff? i know sense said it sucked dps wise before, do it just suck a...
Jakey mentioned earlier that it was like 200 ST DPS, 600 AOE before the buff, so it's like 3-4x that? I forgot what the buff amount was, but
It's no longer garbonzo at least
placid owl
Im working through Heroic Rahz on my warrior. I have done it all multiple times on my DK. But I can't figure out how to block her entire beam in the last phase. I have beat her twice in normal but I definitely took damage during that beam. Wowhead said ignore pain is useful but that won't block all of it. It was laid out very clearly for the DK. Vampiric Blood > AMS
Or is this a vanilla/wrath discord can't find any other ones.
cinder nova
Your job isn't to stop damage, it's too smooth it out
Just press SR, Def stance, and IP
It's not even that hard-hitting in p3
placid owl
Any damage I receive explodes and kills the raid doesnt it?
cinder nova
No?
placid owl
From my "failures" when I was learning on my DK it definately wiped the raid
sullen gust
I find usually it's a matter of ignore pain, defensive stance and pop a defensive like shield wall/ demo shout/Spell reflect. The spooky thing is that it damages your party. And the less you mitogate the more damage it does to them. So if you have the easy mitigation of defensive stance, ignore pain and at least 1 big reduction cooldown youll be fine
cinder nova
Their damage intake is reliant on yours, but it's not gonna kill them if you take damage
You're overthinking it, tbh.
daring marlin
D stance and SR alone are pretty hefty magic DRs
placid owl
I am new to warrior which is DR and SR?
daring marlin
spell reflect
warm plinth
DR is damage reduction in this context
cinder nova
DR = damage reduction
placid owl
Right I tried spell block and spell reflect the first time, but it was normal mode and we had some of my beefy clan mates carrying us haha
placid owl
The 2nd go through, my clan is helping a friend's clan
and they are all gray parsing and it makes me sad that I am out dpsing them my first week as warrior
cinder nova
Speak for yourself, some of us don't have one foot in the grave
placid owl
I feel like I have both feet in the grave haha
daring marlin
Speak for yourself, some of us don't have one foot in the grave
Sounds like something a boomer would say!
Relax, gramps!
placid owl
Nah I am a millenial but I worked in the trades most my life
so I don't have joints left
cinder nova
That's what dispensaries are for
placid owl
Gotta Pee clean :(((((
cinder nova
Oof
placid owl
Even though its legal now rolls eyes
cinder nova
Yeah.
Just make sure you're in Def Stance with SR, IP, and one other defensive and you're good
If they can't live you gotta sort your healers out
placid owl
thaks!
mighty valley
if you're pressing any kind of defensive button and your raid is still taking enormous damage from it, make sure that no random dps has snuck behind you to also eat the beam
that's honestly the cause of most p3 heroic wipes, people losing sense of positioning
misty moss
Ok guys, in honor of 10.1, here’s the age old question:
Fireblood, forged in flames and dungeon delver vs Stoneform and might of the mountain.
slim dove
dwarfs extra crit dmg is more dps over course of a dungeon
also dwarf appearances far outstrip dark iron.
misty moss
I’m joking by the way. Just expecting a lot of this question
urban portal
crit damage is absolutely miniscule damage
slim dove
still sims higher then fireblood 🙂
urban portal
yeah
slim dove
and thats assuming you fireblood off CD which you dont
misty moss
Dark Iron perma 1% reduction > all
misty moss
😂
slim dove
ah yes the damage type we practically ignore
urban portal
1% physical HPS is more than 0.1% dps
misty moss
I’m here for the frost reduction more than anything else though.
urban portal
fr
but yeah dwarf will probably net you more damage over the course of the dungeon
and not stressed out over optimal fire blood usage
misty moss
I’d always choose dwarf for the heritage armor alone.
plush tendon
Both are cool in their own way; I went normal dwarf for the Viking look with the heritage armor and I like that stone form is decoupled with the 2% crit damage
But dark iron is cool cause of the extra move speed and the mole machine: issue I had with them is compared to normal dwarf heritage armor, the dark iron one feels outdated and kind of like you are wearing Minecraft armor
split remnant
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
NO armor beats Dark Iron dwarf herritage armor tho. PURE IRON
uneven mason
NO armor beats Dark Iron dwarf herritage armor tho. PURE IRON
Orc would like a word
loud wave
Have anyone tried using this JC trinket? It seems like a good stats bonus
hardy snow
Have anyone tried using this JC trinket? It seems like a good stats bonus
its fine if you have all sockets, but if you had no luck with drop and need crafter trinket I guess inscription/alchemy is better, you can sim your situation
limpid anchor
The nice mastery proc
slim dove
NO armor beats Dark Iron dwarf herritage armor tho. PURE IRON
Nah new human and orc take it easily
ionic fern
Nah, Pandaren.
daring marlin
But dark iron is cool cause of the extra move speed and the mole machine: issue ...
Which is disappointing because LF Draenei still has one of the best heritage sets. Shame they're goats.
uneven mason
LF draeni stuff looks like standard paladin gear
Here's this cata paladin crap we never used
sick sentinel
LF draeni stuff looks like standard paladin gear
pic very related, my the holy huntard
sharp forge
is Ignore Pain absorbs 25% additional damage buff they did is just to ignore pain itself? not the talent which they have nerfed several times through season one yes? Just trying to clarify since I know Fueled by violence is starting to see like the go too looking towards 10.1
sick sentinel
i wish that the eyes glowed yellow instead of blue
daring marlin
Here's this cata paladin crap we never used
L printing factory
sick sentinel
but its still an amazing mog if u ask me
im not excited about getting gnome transmog but i'll do it
urban bane
is Ignore Pain absorbs 25% additional damage buff they did is just to ignore pai...
It is an offset for the HP/damage increase mentioned on the blue post. Not a buff.
hardy snow
is Ignore Pain absorbs 25% additional damage buff they did is just to ignore pai...
its the IP amount you receive by using skill itself to cover for 25% increased mobs dmg
plush tendon
naw, LF Dranei armor is fire
again.... too bad they are goats
I wish the Orc Heritage set was more like the Magar set
not a fan of the spike nipple XD
unkempt rover
thoughts on this trinket for prot?
roughly 3k armor? idk. Sounds good to me, but I'm not the expert.
orchid gulch
Sounds like a gamble and that the armour isn't worth the extra damage you'd take
lavish oracle
I'm not at my computer right now so I can't get a hood idea of how much damage reduction that is but there's a tank notes page that might let you get a decent idea
That said, armor is purely physical, which isn't usually going to be causing us any problems anyways
urban bane
5% increased bleed, magic, etc damage kinda annoying
lavish oracle
If it were on use and not a random proc I'd say it was great
urban bane
out of the "punish" trinkets that one does seem like the most punishing by kind of a silly margin
lavish oracle
Eh, the random dot for 60k damage is also pretty bad
urban bane
Oh I read that as a dot for 60k over 12 seconds, so just 5k a tick
lavish oracle
Yeah, it is, that's a pretty solid chunk of damage for a dps to be taking at random intervals
That said, it's basically nothing to a bdk
urban bane
Or to a rogue :P
plush tendon
5k ticks dont seem that bad
thats like 1% of current health at current gear
ima just wait for sims though 🙂 if something does enough damage.... then ima use it
even if it turns my toon into a frog that can only jump backwards for 15 seconds
lavish oracle
Well like, in order for a 5% damage taken debuff to be worse, you have to be taking over 100k damage per second
Or I guess take a hit that's less than 5% away from killing you
plush tendon
the 5% thing doesnt seem terrible
hell, we opt out of 15% dr for 10% more damage already
lavish oracle
Well like, in order for a 5% damage taken debuff to be worse, you have to be tak...
So like bad for a tank but not necessarily bad for the other specs who could be using it
lavish oracle
hell, we opt out of 15% dr for 10% more damage already
Yeah, I think my only issue with it is that it's random, not just a switch I can flip on or off when I need to
urban bane
yeah exactly
lavish oracle
How fast does the snare one stack? Is there ever gonna be a situation where you need to just stop casting in order to drop stacks?
I guess you could call for freedom
But that does seem cumbersome
urban bane
monks just tigers lust if they're out of roll charges and cant transcendence transfer
crude notch
You wouldn't take that trinket for the armor, you'd take it for the damage, so whatever the sim gods say.
lavish oracle
You wouldn't take that trinket for the armor, you'd take it for the damage, so w...
The point that they were making was that the armor could potentially nullify the penalty
But it doesn't apply to magic and bleeds which is realistically what we'd have problems with anyways
hardy snow
Healer will heal over this and we are good
crude notch
There's very rare occasions where you taking 5% more damage in that window is going to be enough to kill you.
So, back to simming it.
lavish oracle
Depends on the level of content
crude notch
very rare occasions
lavish oracle
Sure
crude notch
It's going to come down to what the sims say period
lavish oracle
In what sense?
Sims are divorced of context, like if I can pull 5% bigger because I'm not worried about a 5% damage taken increase, is the extra damage worth it?
Like maybe, maybe not
crude notch
you sacrifice some defense for a good chunk of offense for the rings, simply because of how much damage the rings do
and that's devoid of context
quiet beacon
Noticed on PTR that while health has increased 25% and enemy damage increased by 25% and most of our healing - shield block values are unchanged (that is a nerf to blocking).
daring marlin
hell, we opt out of 15% dr for 10% more damage already
Essentially this.
5% is a big who cares
lavish oracle
you sacrifice some defense for a good chunk of offense for the rings, simply be...
Random defensive benefits are very different from random defensive penalties
crude notch
If you're dying to something because of the 5% damage taken increase you were more than likely dying anyways
daring marlin
💯
plush tendon
to me, all depends on if the damage is good
if the trinket procs a lot and gives lots of DPS.... ima use it
daring marlin
hah
crude notch
wtf that's sick
daring marlin
Just have a faceless one going ham in tandem with you
daring marlin
take it for the dam and swag factor
jagged pier
well yer but 20% uptime is not that great tbh
unkempt rover
and we wouldnt take it for the armor
That's what I figured - the armor was just bonus, but nonetheless 20% uptime isn't great
I mean.. 20% uptime is 650 crit and 600 mainstat so it could be worth? Idk what we're competing with though
hardy snow
I think this stat trinket with attuning to dragonflights will be more interesting
sick sentinel
gunna go do the rest of those hertiages this week
modern brook
I mean.. 20% uptime is 650 crit and 600 mainstat so it could be worth? Idk what ...
It's like 400 str, which would put it on par with like ~400 ilvl hunger of the pack
sick sentinel
got 4 to do, already on the quest for gnome one
uneven mason
If you're dying to something because of the 5% damage taken increase you were mo...
That much str would completely negate the 5% for anything physical anyway
uneven mason
I mean.. 20% uptime is 650 crit and 600 mainstat so it could be worth? Idk what ...
It'll probably sim nice for damage just because it'll be at the ass end of the raid with higher quality loot
unkempt rover
that's what I'm saying.. the 5% dmg taken increase would just get naturally negated.. and the damage would be worth it, but again its too early to know
uneven mason
Maybe, uptime is tough and crit isn't valuable as str as the face stat, it should line up on our other CDs so might be a solid for burst
frosty sapphire
Man that dragon tongue out spell is so cool
minor forge
Between a haste/mast chest and a crit/vers one, same ilvl(haste being the high budgeted), would you take the haste/mast one?
strong forum
generally yes, for parsing in raid however the crit/vers one will probably come out ahead
minor forge
Only mythic plus
young shuttle
How do you guys handle jade temple +20, almost the whole place deals brutal dmg and I feel like im just constantly fighting to stay alive
sick sentinel
my main complaints with wow now are basically, cosemetic
2 that bug t4he fuck out of me forever with no addons at all and is default
A: you are on a mount and your weapon has some glowing enchant, or your shoulders do or the dragons tail that your riding has some glowing effect
near steppe
How do you guys handle jade temple +20, almost the whole place deals brutal dmg ...
Thats easy. I dont handle
dusky canopy
Men
sick sentinel
and so the way it works to piss me off is that , you move forwards, and then the animation of a frost or fire or posion or earth cloud comes directly at thhe camera over and over and over on repeat
dusky canopy
any reccomendations of an addon or WA that will track dungeons ive completed?
like im doing a world tour of 20s on arms and id like to track what ive done in time
i could update R.io often but ye otherwise
sick sentinel
so if its some bright color, its like a epilepsy trigger or something, cuz like, the snow cloud starts off as about 3 pixels, taks up t 30% or + of your screen by time it travels back at camera (happening like i dunno, 3-5/times a second)
the other, is the execute bug where it glows like mega giga huge glow and then i cant see the rest of my buttons or the screen around it when it happens
modern brook
i could update R.io often but ye otherwise
i feel like rio addon tracks your progress real time without needing to get updated but i have literally 0 proof o this other than some vague memory of wathcing my number go up post dungeons
if im wrong on that feeling Notepad.exe does exist
i think they even made it a thing in real life but you need the pen DLC to use it
warm plinth
any reccomendations of an addon or WA that will track dungeons ive completed?
Are you just looking for something that tracks keys done this week? Like just key and level?
dusky canopy
yeah thats kinda what i was thinking
austere sleet
has anyone done the numbers on how long last stand cooldown should be with the new tier set?
roughly
shut summit
65-75sec with bolster
warm plinth
yeah thats kinda what i was thinking
Has an option to track all season vs just the week too if you want.
It's attached to your dungeon frame so it'll show when you press I
warm plinth
No problem sir
lavish oracle
What's our block uptime like without HR or Enduring defense in the new patch?
Can you get it to 100% with just bolster and shield charge?
warm plinth
Why wouldn't you take enduring defenses?
lavish oracle
Why wouldn't you take enduring defenses?
No reason to have over 100% block uptime if you don't need it
Except ease of play, I guess, if that's a concern
warm plinth
Right but you're not going to give up both HR AND Enduring Defenses at the same time. That would be silly.
In raid you potentially could, but not in keys
lavish oracle
This is what I'm asking, with the tier, do you have enough uptime to drop both?
lavish oracle
I think probably not at current haste but maybe when we get better gear?
shut summit
can definitely drop HR with bolster, didnt try without enduring
warm plinth
Yeah you can 100% go without HR with the tier set, that's no doubt, since you can run it now and get a very small amount of downtime on SB
It would be pretty sick if we could give up Enduring though because it would mean we could use Unnerving Focus
warm plinth
Though I suppose that also depends on how often we need Spell Block in season 2
No but I'll take an even shorter CD on Avatar 👍
dusky canopy
lavish oracle
Though I suppose that also depends on how often we need Spell Block in season 2
Yeah, I figured it'd be nice if we could get the extra flex point since we can't really drop the ITF/HR node and we now have to take bolster realistically
Feels a little like we lost a point
warm plinth
Yeah you wouldn't want to drop the ItF node anyway, just swap to ItF if you can get away with it since it's a significant damage hike over HR
lavish oracle
Mhm, that's why I was looking at enduring defense