Sooo good
#protection
dusky canopy
uneven mason
"oh you're a stun immune rare?" Sounds like a oneshot
Stormbolt while solo tanking garrosh
One button - more damage than the next 5 DPS combined
crude notch
hardy snow
Imagine being lucky to get this proc at max stacks when you crit SS on avatar+outburst+LS 2p buff in next season. I guess it could be even 500k combined in one hit?
uneven mason
"it's situational" - but is useful in 80%, of dungeons
uneven mason
Imagine being lucky to get this proc at max stacks when you crit SS on avatar+ou...
I know what I want for Christmas
round pendant
they're just as bad as arms nerds
Fotmers are just afraid of nerfs
shut summit
Imagine being lucky to get this proc at max stacks when you crit SS on avatar+ou...
https://i.imgur.com/krbEN80.png
was scaled to 400 ilvl or w/e, was getting 90k crits when it was stacked so ya it can get juicy
daring marlin
grave flower
Whereโs that trinket from? I havenโt really looked into PTR because itโs going to change.
But that thing looks spicy
sick sentinel
time for hosetown box
only 1 item
WOW
AMAZING, at least i can get the TW shield
gleaming prawn
Can someone break down the flying dungeon?
Where do people like to go first?
In Oculus it's a set order but idk how it works here
fresh igloo
talking about nokhud?
gleaming prawn
I think
fresh igloo
usually just start at top right of the map and work your way down and around to the left
granyth is a gimme boss, so it's a common tactic to lust on big trash there
then lust storm boss
uneven mason
Clockwise, start at the earth dragonboi
fresh igloo
then you do the duo-boss, finish up trash there to like 94%
and fly straight from 3rd boss to 4th boss skipping all trash except the two mini bosses before last boss.
uneven mason
Look up a video on the "back door" for that dungeon as well
Since if you don't know it you'll have a routlord throw a fit and call you names
median tulip
The back door is the best route; the trash by the last boss is horrible
Also, IDK if it got patched by there was a trick with a big rock on the last boss
fresh igloo
yeah, i was leery when it first came out but you can still use it even if you wipe.
fresh igloo
Also, IDK if it got patched by there was a trick with a big rock on the last bos...
either i'm bad at it or it was patched.
median tulip
Just make sure on the last boss that you don't aim his charge into the gaps in the arena walls; he can charge outside of the arena and reset
uneven mason
Feels bad
median tulip
Although that's usually a DPS problem
urban portal
Imagine being lucky to get this proc at max stacks when you crit SS on avatar+ou...
the trinket damage doesnt interact with class buffs
nocturne spindle
urban portal
insane vault
hardy snow
the trinket damage doesnt interact with class buffs
I know it doesnt (that would be way too op and dumb if it does), but it still can be 100k basic hit itself, add that to massive shield slam and it become nice dmg in one hit
urban portal
yeah would be funny to see
knotty vortex
is the FF belt and lariat still best options as prot in season 2?
tropic gorge
Last night during raz (h) I had an outburst ss crit and went from like 88 percent threat to 10 percent over
That felt so good.
I didn't think a giga crit would push that much threat
lime urchin
A threat meter?
tropic gorge
Elvui has one built in
tropic gorge
I have a bit of ilvl on the druid co tank and just recently gained the ability to dps threat off him.
It comes in handy to ride the line
burnt dock
Hey.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but how do you guys handle the Overgrown Ancient in AA on 20+ keys?
Just tried a 22 Crawth and Vex went smooth, unfortunately didnt log, but still have the details meters.
Got hit 450k through shield wall and defensive stance in a manner of 0,3 sec. did not use Last stand.
Comp:
Prot warrior
Sub Rogue
Destro lock
Boomie
Resto shaman.
I figured the toxic was the main problem.
Is the key to kite, cc and dispell? As far as i know the shaman totem is 45 sec cd, and not too many run it.
Seen some people run with paladins and resto druids managing well here.
Whats your thoughts on it? Any specific or general recommendations?
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Maulern if its of any use
urban bane
The boomie should've grabbed remove corruption and handled it
prisma crane
Now imagine that fight with necrotic
urban bane
also idk if they were stunned or what but that melee sync was pretty bonkers
burnt dock
The boomie should've grabbed remove corruption and handled it
Wouldnt it put the boomie in a bad spot to pick rev and swift for it?
urban bane
Yeah, not as bad of a spot if it makes the difference between completing or not xD
It isn't that uncommon for people to do it per subcreation
burnt dock
Yeah, not as bad of a spot if it makes the difference between completing or not ...
that makes sense
daring marlin
yo is the bottled essence thing account wide?
urban bane
If that's any reassurance to your boomie -- looks like others hafta do it occasionally, too
daring marlin
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
burnt dock
also idk if they were stunned or what but that melee sync was pretty bonkers
thats right after stun yeah
urban bane
Any time I stun a big pack like that I try to strafe/wiggle a bit to try and restagger the melee swings. kinda minor thing but synced melees can dome like that, too
modern brook
bitter immunity exists too tbh
prisma crane
Can only use once though
urban bane
if only 
prisma crane
That talent got killed when they removed bleed from it
modern brook
3 minutes is an insane cd on that shit tbh
urban bane
useless talent at 3 min and no bleed removal
daring marlin
bitter garbage
prisma crane
And once they did remove bleed they needed to shorten the CD
daring marlin
fallen charger should fly
burnt dock
so, solution if i understood it correctly: coordinate stuns/stops better, fix comp with dispell, dont sync melees - > Win
prisma crane
thats why we Dwarf now; gotta get rid of those bleeds
Another reason they should have left the bleed removal in the talent
plush tendon
so, solution if i understood it correctly: coordinate stuns/stops better, fix co...
just focus on aggro and having dispell
youll be able to wall like every set with the amount of rage youll have and spam ignore pain
if ya wanna throw out a shockwave or something, go ahead.... but just blast and dispell when you get like 20 stacks should do
plush tendon
Another reason they should have left the bleed removal in the talent
100% shouldve left it.... but im loving my little Dwarf
the Dwarf Heritage set makes him a little viking and I got the Skovald shield!
daring marlin
chad
plush tendon
its so hard to find good looking shields in this game
but that Skovald shield.... is nice
burnt dock
if ya wanna throw out a shockwave or something, go ahead.... but just blast and ...
Alright, ill get back to it, thanks for the replies
plush tendon
modern brook
play your warrior and you'd know that bull
Yeah for all the times I talent into bitter immunity smh
plush tendon
luckily I put a bounty on that item in my guild and got a couple of people to run some halls with me
paid out 100k for it.... totally worth
daring marlin
warrior
sick sentinel
warrior appearance..... for dk and paadin
is what i meant sorry
cuz i think the way it works is set is locked to class and if you get stand alone gear like that its usable with other plate classes
grizzled kite
yes
sick sentinel
awesome thats sweet
maybe it was all the ice and snow, but i love the heroic warrior set with heroic dk boe helmet
zinc trench
anything worth getting from legion TW?
sick sentinel
this shield if u have 3,000 coins
sick sentinel
ya, i got it now
modern brook
i tihnk it just looks like a pally shield
idt its an actual reforge of the pally artifact
grizzled kite
Maybe the upper part yeah
ember tangle
Its the shield you use on skovald
It deffo does look like the pala one, but they are both titan made, so it kinda make sense
Lore wise
patent gorge
Better late than never.
daring marlin
plus it's the aegis of AGGRAMAR
modern brook
Grammar sounds like something a paladin would concern himself with
plush tendon
grammer stoopid; me slam shield
blazing condor
My grammar makes great pancake
stiff gate
whetstone vs blazebinder's for m+? I've been running icon/whetstone forever but just got blazebinder's from vault and not sure if it is decent
plush tendon
try it out!
nothing wrong with haste trinket with on-use stacking strength
whetstone is prob more consistent though
stiff nexus
Do we ever press rend or slam in M+?
sick sentinel
no need to with thunder clap
you still have to take it and the talent for that to work
but you never hard cast rend now
amber siren
You won't in any content, slam is replaced with revenge and rend is applied through blood and thunder
stiff nexus
okay removing both from hot bar, just wanted to confirm
sick sentinel
whirl wind while your at it
you NEVER hit rend, whirlwind or slam for any reason in most content
stiff nexus
alright good to know
removing all than
and shockwave, ravager, and thunderous roar on cd?
sick sentinel
everything you dont have to hold on CD send it together
urban portal
Not shockwave
sick sentinel
avatar, demo, probably wall, probably last stand start of combat or soon after it starts
cuz of anger mastery, everything gets reduced cooldowns
stiff nexus
okay why not shockwave on cd than @urban portal ? is it cause u wanna save it for a big stun?
urban portal
You use it to stun yes
sick sentinel
shockwave is for enemy abilities that can't be interupt but can be stunned away
mighty valley
if you throw it out for damage, it puts everyone else's better stuns on DR
durations for big important single target stuns cut by half
sick sentinel
ya, up to 3 times stuns for like 60 seconds, share a diminishing return all stuns
drops by i want to say 50% effectiveness each time, after 3rd completely immune to that effect until it comes back
so that means, if player 1 does stun 1 second, player 2 does 2 seconds stun (now 1 second duration) player 3 a paladin does his 8 second stun
its now a 2 second stun
and further ones are useless
stiff nexus
uhhh ive actually never heard ab that before
uneven mason
okay why not shockwave on cd than <@111542607556939776> ? is it cause u wanna sa...
If you're taking shockwave you're taking it for the stun because otherwise you'd take the roar boost for better damage
uneven mason
ya, up to 3 times stuns for like 60 seconds, share a diminishing return all stun...
15s
DR is a 15s window
stiff nexus
Thanks for the help, prot war and prot pala only tanks I have left to learn
urban portal
Learning the good tanks now
stiff nexus
idk if anything is gonna pull me away from bdk tho'
daring marlin
BDK is always a blast.
wispy pawn
yep
uneven mason
idk if anything is gonna pull me away from bdk tho'
Going in either direction from bdk - war is jarring imo, because one gets slapped hard but doesn't give a fuck and the other just doesn't take noticable damage (until we bleed)
strong forum
Yeah it's pretty good there
stiff nexus
Going in either direction from bdk - war is jarring imo, because one gets slappe...
yeah but unlike some other tanks war has ways to insta heal basically in a tight situation
we will see how i like it when i start pushing
uneven mason
Yeah we have that now, although outside of some tankbusters warriors don't take noticable damage
I'm pretty bad because I don't use IV as much as I should
patent vortex
So, if i link my Armory can yall help me on what i should fix?
I think i got most things right
warm plinth
we could help you with like...talents. Gear is obviously RNG and is based on what you have. Stats don't matter
uneven mason
Gear is easy, stack ilvl, prioritizing shield
sinful copper
if i have 418 weapon and 415 shield, would you start opening vaults as dps spec instead for trinkets? mainly for M+ playing
warm plinth
What level M+ are you doing?
sinful copper
hmm i just hit 70 last week but im doing 20's now. im 411 ilvl now and hopefully will do 21-22's this week and next
warm plinth
then no, stay prot
sinful copper
okie dokie. should i farm for granythe trinket in NO? is that the best defensive passive trinket from dungeons?
im going to either get whetstone or keep using big toe as my active dps one
warm plinth
No, it's shit, and we don't use defensive trinkets anyway
sinful copper
oh really? what trinkets should i aim for farming for M+ only?
warm plinth
Whetstone and hoof/idol/big toe. HotP is alright
So whetstone and 1 of those 4 for your 2nd trinket
sinful copper
Which is hotp?
scenic mural
Hunger of the pack
sinful copper
ooooh ok. i main prot pally so i just kept reading hand of the protector
topaz sedge
what should i give up in the prot tree to get battle scarred vetran right now i gave up ravage but thats pretty good for aoe
daring marlin
BSV is trash. Keep Ravager.
topaz sedge
80% less dmg doesnt seem trash for 8 sec seems like a life saver if something goes wrong
daring marlin
Look at the CD.
frosty sapphire
Ravager is so good
topaz sedge
k i will work it back in some how
daring marlin
this is where i am at
My brother in Odyn I assure you BSV is trash.
toxic gyro
80% less dmg doesnt seem trash for 8 sec seems like a life saver if something go...
Bsv is bugged
topaz sedge
damn seems good but i will pul lback
toxic gyro
Also playing bolster with heavy repercussions is pointless. You should have 100% uptime on shieldblock without it. You play bolster with itf
frosty sapphire
I've never had it and I've never had an issue surviving
topaz sedge
thanks for input! tyring to get this tree good
frosty sapphire
As long as you have shield block and ignore pain you're good
toxic gyro
thanks for input! tyring to get this tree good
Stick to general build and just swap between tough as nails and spell block based on the dungeon and youโll be happy
daring marlin
I've seen scenarios of people enabling certain pulls like all wolves at once in a 27 HoV but that's super niche.
toxic gyro
Ppl that make builds and m+ tips that are in the pins are very knowledgeable about warrior. If youโre not very familiar with warrior, just stick to them.
grizzled kite
how do I live lord third boss on a 22 TJS Tyra?
I'm basically alternating between shield wall + IV and reflect initial hit
spell block too
double wall talent etc
tropic tangle
spell block is nice for that dungeon
grizzled kite
sorry meant spell block*
tropic tangle
there's a pin that someone wrote to live it
paper garden
dunno about you guys, but I won't miss TJS next season.
tropic tangle
basically cycling DRs / IV / last stand (heals a large portion of the shield) until after 5 or 6 you're totally dry
grizzled kite
basically cycling DRs / IV / last stand (heals a large portion of the shield) un...
yes this is what I am doing, I never overuse CDs on the slam and always communicate with my healer etc. Pot, IV, all get rotated pretty nicely
warm plinth
damn seems good but i will pul lback
To clarify what was already mentioned, BSV procs based on pre-mitigation damage (e.g. before Shield Block, Shield Wall, etc. are applied) which means it will basically proc on CD and when you're at 80% health and in no danger.
grizzled kite
I also find the positioning to be really difficult as well
tropic tangle
also depends on how many you're trying to live, if DPS are dog it makes that fight much harder
tropic tangle
hard to say without a log, but yeah if your rotation is tight and healer is on point you should be comfy for 4-5
mighty valley
the positioning is pretty easy when you know the cast sequence and when to duck out and look for waves
with charge she should barely move
also makes a difference if your dipshit dps get hit by waves and healer focus gets split
daring marlin
If they eat a wave they're dead lol
mighty valley
not if they have cheat deaths!!
warm plinth
I also find the positioning to be really difficult as well
Stand inside the boss/closer than the other people. She spawns the waves in relation to where the closest target is. So as long as you're running out and charging back in and making sure you're the closest person, she should overlap the waves every time.
grizzled kite
Just be a non-peasant tank sheesh
Toxic
grizzled kite
Stand inside the boss/closer than the other people. She spawns the waves in rel...
Thanks, yeah the waves were rather inconsistent for me
daring marlin
Hey I love my peasant tank
grizzled kite
I'll be sending a Ordo Malleus inquisitor your way very soon 
daring marlin
frosty sapphire
What is peasant tank
frosty sapphire
I must be missing something lol
frosty sapphire
I don't do dungeons like that I just started tanking honestly
spare harness
Is there any specific talents that work better during Fortified weeks?
shut summit
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible: 4-Set Bonus has been adjusted - Duration of Earthen Tenacity increased to 20 seconds (was 10 seconds) and the damage of Earthen Smash increased by 300%.```No, we run the same shit all the time
daring marlin
YOOOOOOOOO
warm plinth
Okay cool but can we please make it happen when we press LS instead of after now
hardy snow
```Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible: 2-Set Bonus has been adjusted - Shield Slam n...
thats great
hardy snow
Okay cool but can we please make it happen when we press LS instead of after now
im afraid Blizz wont drop this dumb idea
warm plinth
With it reducing the CD by 2 seconds now, I think that cements us not taking Bolster tbh
daring marlin
BUT MORE OF IT THO
daring marlin
warm plinth
That should prove interesting 
daring marlin
๐จ
warm plinth
this change is top notch though
grizzled kite
"Ignore Pain absorbs 25% additional damage."
hardy snow
"Ignore Pain absorbs 25% additional damage."
dont get hyped, its just to cover 25% increased dmg of everything ๐
hardy snow
its sad they nerf pain and gain, i liked that talent
chrome falcon
```Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible: 2-Set Bonus has been adjusted - Shield Slam n...
give it to me straight chief, is this actually good now
scenic mural
looks much better than cuurently
hardy snow
with such buff to 4p, maybe we will not be running 2x2p
scenic mural
not so memey
lavish oracle
is there a hopium leak or is this set bonus absurd now?
undone verge
patch notes
lavish oracle
yes
hardy snow
is there a hopium leak or is this set bonus absurd now?
its not absurd, it was just that weak 
grizzled kite
mighty valley
the CDR might be the bigger deal tbh, since that part was pretty strong
lavish oracle
Yeah the CDR paired with twice the duration on the Earthen Tenacity buff, I wonder what the uptime is gonna be like
daring marlin
maybe melee doesn't have to LoS in high enough keys?!
undone verge
with how much we have last stand we'll have giga extra rage
undone verge
we gonna see any massacre uses now? We def dont need the 2 seconds of shield block anymore, and we'll have plenty of rage for execute
lavish oracle
we figure the CD for last stand is what, around a minute now?
maybe a little lower?
undone verge
probably less
foggy ruin
can take bolster also
pallid quiver
If we get full SB uptime with ITF/Bolster, then yeah, but ai have no idea how any if this is all gonna come together at the 2 seconds
lavish oracle
can take bolster also
we were taking bolster for sure even before the buff
pallid quiver
Ghash brought up us not taking Bolster just due to the CD reduction; it sounds like that wouldn't be enough, but that's feelycraft so imma wait for either nome/mwahi to say something if they care or for me to get home and actually read numbers if i care
grave flower
what are warriors doing for snap threat on intermission for raz mythic? Is there a delay in mobs actually having a threat table or what?
dire sparrow
you need to space your cds out
undone verge
what are warriors doing for snap threat on intermission for raz mythic? Is ther...
everything first, mass taunt/outburst second, pray third
lavish oracle
Ghash brought up us not taking Bolster just due to the CD reduction; it sounds l...
I mean, now that it's a pretty significant damage CD, I don't think there's any way you forego bolster now
foggy ruin
what are warriors doing for snap threat on intermission for raz mythic? Is ther...
cds> aoe taunt>cds worked for me
undone verge
or you could save something for second mass taunt third if you wanna be all 'safe'
dire sparrow
i think i did SC + avatar on first, challenging + roar on 2d and SC + avatar on 3rd
pallid quiver
I mean, now that it's a pretty significant damage CD, I don't think there's any ...
His inplication was that with Bolster, you'd overlap buffs, so you'd have more uptime of it than needed, is what I read into it
lavish oracle
Oh, that seems hyperbolic more than likely
grave flower
SC? why am i spacing
pallid quiver
150% uptime's the same as 100%
Again, I don't think it's enough CDR personally, but
dire sparrow
shield charge
lavish oracle
I don't know if bolster CD gets lower than 45s
grave flower
which target are you shield charging to start, the aoe doesnt hit them all
dire sparrow
the elemental
dire sparrow
so you get the aoe damage on everything
lavish oracle
my guess would be CD with bolster is probably in the ~1 minute range
grave flower
shield damage isnt an issue so not worried there, just worried about 1st groups threat and was saving shout for 3rd
dire sparrow
we had agro issues too
you will have enough treath with avatars reduced cd on thunderclap + shield charge
threat*
grave flower
ok I will try that
dire sparrow
you will also have demo shout for 1st and 3rd pack
undone verge
I just spammed TC and revenge as well during the grace period and I didnt have any issues
dire sparrow
adn you have ravager on 1st and should have it on 3rd
undone verge
usually one of each is enough to hold it till I can get some real stuff
grave flower
demo will be back for 3rd? gosh that 1.5 minute goes by fast lol
feel like were on 3rd pack sub 1 minute
dire sparrow
yeah demo will be back for 3rd for sure
undone verge
ravager comes up at the very end of third so I1 is around 1:40
dire sparrow
better to save it for p2 shield then
undone verge
I find its not worth to drop it in I1 and to save it for p2
dire sparrow
yeah just drop it on the first pack will be back up for shield in p2
undone verge
what are your guys' opinions on holding dmg for after shields?
excluding padding for better parses
in terms of better for the kill chances
sick sentinel
im playing diablo 2
dire sparrow
depends on how your guild is going on shield damage, probably better to ask your raid leader on what he wants you to use cds on
sick sentinel
and it seems to me like they got the identity of warrior (barb) and paladin swapped
dire sparrow
the faster you get out of shield the more damage your dps can do
sick sentinel
paladin is the one with charge and shield bash in this game, feels very wrong to me
undone verge
exactly, so it makes no sense to hold DMG off the shield to deal after it breaks, aside from the third shield
sick sentinel
not druid is what i played
hey, just like classic and retail
will play any class on d2r , but i usually never make it far at all on druid
warm plinth
Wait for it guys
"Does the 25% increased absorb on IP mean we press it over Shield Block now?"
Calling it
mighty valley
I am feeling a little "get new material"
In a few patches IP is gonna cap out with one cast
And they'll still buff it
sonic moon
They also buffed our health by 25%
So it's not really an IP buff
Oh
I see what you did there
mighty valley
yeah it's just the across the board damage stuff
daring marlin
It's basically an adjustment to make healers fucking heal.
warm plinth
Yes but the thing is, people are going to assume that "25% increased absorb" is going to mean it absorbs 75% of damage taken instead of 50%
When in reality it's just a larger absorb pool for each press
daring marlin
@modern brook Why are Rogues always mouthbreathing idiots?
crude notch
Absorb pool deez
sick sentinel
dps have too many HOLYFUKOMGIMMABOUTTADIE heal buttons
crude notch
Don't you fuckin make me cuddle you
DO IT YOU WON:T
modern brook
<@204081428869283843> Why are Rogues always mouthbreathing idiots?
because they picked the yellow class
daring marlin
fuckin' piss class
crude notch
Hmmm.. I sidestepped my apostrophe button.
warm plinth
DO IT YOU WON:T
daring marlin
If there's ever a melee to die on Hymdall
It'll be the fuckin' piss class
every time
sick sentinel
do you guys prefer over time healers or cast bar healers or some like renew and bubble spam shit
slim dove
do you guys prefer over time healers or cast bar healers or some like renew and ...
rdruid always and forever.
daring marlin
rdruid always and forever.
you're bias tho
warm plinth
It'll be the fuckin' piss class
sir I resent that
slim dove
you're bias tho
sshhhh
sick sentinel
i dont pay attention to my type of healer other than does it have brez or lust
slim dove
im not wrong, rdruid is consistently the strongest m+ healer across every expac
daring marlin
sir I resent that
WELL FUCKIN' MAKE 'EM STOP EATING THE BLADE MAN
slim dove
theres a blip here and there but it doesn't last more then a season
the fact we hit 42% haste as rdruid with onyx annulment is insane
i can hit 45% rn with no outside buffs
lavish oracle
I really like Rdruid because bark feels way better than the like evoker stagger thing
sick sentinel
wasnt there a bunch 9f times in sl druid was poopy healers
lavish oracle
I'm not saying it's like actually better, just feels better
slim dove
wasnt there a bunch 9f times in sl druid was poopy healers
s1 rdruid was weak, it took over s2 onwards
crude notch
im not wrong, rdruid is consistently the strongest m+ healer across every expac
As long as you ignore all the HPal metas, yes RDru is consistently the strongest.
warm plinth
actually the strongest tank CD in the game bar-none
Imagine if evoker actually does get a tank spec...renewing blaze anyone
slim dove
As long as you ignore all the HPal metas, yes RDru is consistently the strongest...
i can look at healer participation in top 1% keys across each season, rdruid is #1 overall ๐
crude notch
sick sentinel
hpal is, well, sometimes it works,
lavish oracle
I don't think there's ever been a season where I felt bad picking an rdruid
crude notch
What season in SL was RDru #1?
slim dove
What season in SL was RDru #1?
i actually got SL confused with BFA, my bad ๐ we couldn't compete with lmao ashen-hallow
crude notch
So maybe a tiny bit hyperbole with
im not wrong, rdruid is consistently the strongest m+ healer across every expac
slim dove
yeah maybe a tiny bit
crude notch
Just ignore an entire expansion, to be fair, it's a good expac to ignore.
slim dove
Keys this week are fuckin' dog
hold w and blast, this weeks great. finally get to heal actual damage
daring marlin
fuck that dps are braindead
crude notch
do you get off on correcting people in this discord bro?
I get off on people assuming I get off on anything related to discord.
slim dove
fuck that dps are braindead
ur tank just keep the bursting counter under 6 and we gucci
or invite spriest and invalidate an entire affix
prisma crane
correct me if i'm wrong, the PnG change is a net nerf right?
unless they're just trying to account for much higher uptime of LS
undone verge
pain and gain is so negligible I dont think we care, but technically its a nerf
prisma crane
yea i guess it's just lame, why nerf it?
undone verge
idk, if I were to guess what they would nerf that would not be it
crude notch
They nerfed some other %hp stuff across the board as well
warm plinth
Yeah it's because it's %-health based
crude notch
MW (Cocoon), DH Fodder.
prisma crane
its just weird, most of these changes are just straight revisions to account for the HP and dmg change
warm plinth
They're trying to keep the actual HPS of it neutral
prisma crane
but that's a nerf then
warm plinth
Yeah but like, who cares? No one needs to run that talent anyway
prisma crane
because incoming dmg isnt neutral
warm plinth
Bounding Stride is superior
crude notch
You can have this one Krotos, go rage on the forums, you'll get it changed back, I'm sure.
crude notch
Ask why on the forums.
You probably won't get the answer here... or there.
@warm plinth The true crime is After the Wildfire didn't get buffed D:
sick sentinel
bounding has both combativeznd non combative uses
so it is better
unlrsss someone can math out 70% 3s ms x seconds vs, png
prisma crane
also find it odd that hunters manage a nerf in those notes
warm plinth
well, you can math out P&G, which currently is only about 1.5k HPS
And that's not something that's gamebreaking
prisma crane
an already notoriously bad defensive class
we wont feel the PnG change because of higher uptime on LS and with it higher rage gen, but it's still a weird thing to change
that said
i will never understand buffing an insignificant thing like embellishments by.... ONE perent...
hopefully healing darts get buffed ๐
urban portal
well the 1% actually matters
crude notch
also find it odd that hunters manage a nerf in those notes
it is funny, but it falls under the same category as the other %hp healing.
urban portal
it makes the relative gain in 10.0 the same as 10.1
prisma crane
it is funny, but it falls under the same category as the other %hp healing.
yes, but none of those should change at all then because the dmg intake is going up to match
prisma crane
it's a retarded "fix"
crude notch
Thankfully they didn't apply this thought process to Frenzied Regen
warm plinth
I still don't think we're going to take Unnerving Focus so our rage generation will be the same
Because if Unnerving Focus is worth taking then that means Bolster is worth taking and where are you going to get the points
warm plinth
We already don't take TL
prisma crane
i know
crude notch
lol
prisma crane
probably drop Battering ram
warm plinth
And TaN would still have to be taken for Spell Block when applicable
That node I mean
warm plinth
Not sure, depends on tuning for the most part
crude notch
Def not for FH. Maybe a couple of the DF dungeons. /shrug
daring marlin
My thoughts exactly
make first boss of UR unkickable
like melidrussa
or w/e her fucking name is
crude notch
close enough
daring marlin
pallid quiver
Because if Unnerving Focus is worth taking then that means Bolster is worth taki...
Hear me out
Just get the tier buffed to the point we have 100% LS uptime, then we trade Enduring Defenses for Bolster
warm plinth
You would just die if the cast wasn't kickable if the boss lived to a certain point.
Because you take a stacking DoT/heal absorb if you get hit by the bolt
daring marlin
Just reflect it 4head
crude notch
If the boss wasn't kickable you'd go back to the 4 dps strat on that boss.
crude notch
Back when you could have unlimited adds
warm plinth
yerp
daring marlin
I loved when people would do that
crude notch
Goodtimes
prisma crane
Hear me out
Just get the tier buffed to the point we have 100% LS uptime, then ...
tbh that may be the play for spell block anyways if rage gen is good enough from UF w/ LS uptime
daring marlin
GET OUT OF THE AOE YOU FOOLISH FOOLS
crude notch
Healers are mad that Prot Paladin's WoG got compensatory buffs.
daring marlin
Healers are the new mages
always crying
๐ชฃ
They're big mad on the official forums
It's fantastic
daring marlin
I'm mostly laughing at the ones who "just wanna do dps" as a healer.
This change is essentially telling them to fucking heal more
prisma crane
thats a top end only problem though
what about healers that already couldnt keep up
you know ppl who take extra dmg
daring marlin
git gud
prisma crane
terrible game design
warm plinth
daring marlin
PREACH ION
warm plinth
Like how much you want them to cater to people? People just need to realize that not everyone can do all the content. I'm not sitting here bitching that I can't get the top .1% title every season
If they can't heal something, then do shit to improve or just don't do keys that high.
mighty valley
wait why are we mad
crude notch
Because Krotos likes to be mad it seems.
daring marlin
prisma crane
its recent, talking about healers that only want to dps
i just simply said that thats not a gen pop ideology
bad players exist, bad healers are arguably the worst of them
and they got a nerf in this
those players arent spending all their time dpsing
crude notch
All healers got nerfed in this. ๐
crude notch
"not mad" btw
mighty valley
i don't understand the point
prisma crane
calling you out for being retarded doesnt mean im mad
mighty valley
if a strong dps spec is nerfed, the worst players of that spec would be hurt the worst
prisma crane
and dismissing a point that you could counter by just saying im mad is fucking annoying
mighty valley
that's not a reason to not make a balance change
grizzled kite
you seem to throw the r-word around quite frivolously
prisma crane
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
grizzled kite
gamer moment ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
crude notch
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
prisma crane
feel free to look for any time i use it towards anyone actually disabled, im not worried because i know you wont find it
crude notch
What?
warm plinth
You do realize that's not the issue with using the word right
grizzled kite
that's not the point nor is it in anything related to this channel, just stop using it
crude notch
lmao
prisma crane
my b, word police are out, ill just stop with it all
grizzled kite
Thanks! 
crude notch
I'd like to think you have a better vocabulary to express an insult than to use that word, but then again.
prisma crane
god forbid someone may get offended
mighty valley
come on man
crude notch
LMAO
mighty valley
do you use the n word regularly too
prisma crane
never actually
crude notch
Then
prisma crane
dont see the point
warm plinth
Then how is this word any different?
grizzled kite
The difference being..?
prisma crane
yea, those two words are totally the same
mighty valley
they're both slurs, man, we don't really need to evaluate their severity
warm plinth
I just call bad things Ghashed personally
prisma crane
jesus christ
crude notch
It's worse because those with learning disabilities are less of a person, obviously, right Krotos?
mighty valley
I just call bad things Ghashed personally
this is really confusing because Ghash is good?
mighty valley
you could parse 1 and you'd still be good in my heart
crude notch
This guy fighting for the bad players in WoW but throws around the r-word
prisma crane
It's worse because those with learning disabilities are less of a person, obviou...
what?
you're reaching in your moral righteousnes
grizzled kite
I'm kind of a bad player. How do these nerfs (and why are they nerfs to healers specifically?)
prisma crane
i never said nor implied that statement
crude notch
๐
vapid magnet
basically they increased health and damage values but not healing values of healers
crude notch
If you don't say the n-word, but are fine with throwing around the r-word that obviously means you value one more than the other.
vapid magnet
so healing is less effective
warm plinth
Yep, exactly Navy
So healers will heal less of your HP bar than they would now with the same amount of heals basically
grizzled kite
basically they increased health and damage values but not healing values of heal...
Thanks
crude notch
But bad healers are more bad now because... idk
gleaming prawn
Men of frost
Bulking man of iron
Men of cloth weep
vapid magnet
is the tier set dmg changes gonna be pretty impactful now we think?
warm plinth
Impactful in terms of it being better, yes
vapid magnet
I haven't been following much of the tier set ptr testing
crude notch
Approximately one more second cdr per shield slam impactful.
warm plinth
It's considerably better than it was before. They tripled the damage and doubled the CDR which means the damage happens more often
It's still kind of a whatever set bonus though
And it's still awkward as fuck having the shockwaves happen after LS expires
grizzled kite
I find BDK's set bonus to be strong on paper but I'm very inexperienced with them
vapid magnet
Last time I checked it didn't interact with their vamp blood talents so it was kinda meh
Can you like cancel LS to go into the dmg portion of the tier set?
grizzled kite
Haven't kept up to date, I got the hell out of that class discord asap
vapid magnet
but still decent buffs for some abilities just kinda random
warm plinth
Probably but you would lose damage doing that because you get the shield slam damage increase DURING LS
and the shockwaves after
vapid magnet
true
warm plinth
And I'd assume cancelling LS would cancel that buff too
vapid magnet
it would be kinda neat if it didn't and you could explode with both buffs
warm plinth
Yeah but would also be really stupid to have to use a defensive and then cancel it to use our tier set efficiently
daring marlin
Holy shit chat got weird quick
grizzled kite
crude notch
Holy shit chat got weird quick
quick kiss me to make it back to normal
daring marlin
๐
warm plinth
EU?
daring marlin
NA
warm plinth
Oh, hm. Saw some EU peeps complaining about that earlier
daring marlin
I see a bunch of people @ing blizzard CS on twitter too.
I'm just trying to spend 4k valor here blizzard
warm plinth
I'd like to @ your blizzard CS, if you know what I mean
daring marlin
slim dove
daring marlin
I fucking love that pepe LMAO
uneven mason
So the IP buff, is it a 57% absorb?
warm plinth
No
uneven mason
Or are they just stating that wii25% more HP, our hard cap is 25% higher
warm plinth
It's if you press IP now and you get a 20k absorb, you'll now get a 25k absorb
uneven mason
Obtuse fucks
prisma crane
also by your logic it would be 62.5%, but yea its just to the raw number itself, not mitigation %
uneven mason
IP is for anger management
tardy lily
warm plinth
So yeah, it's basically making it so that relatively you'll get the same absorb as before
tardy lily
imho stil ldoesn't make IP better, just adjustment.
warm plinth
Yeah it's not intended to make it better
It's intended to keep it the same
(relatively)
It's a compensation buff because of the 25% increase to player health
tardy lily
I am more weirded out by the fact that all other speccs got healing increases (not only War) but, War for some reason got a "Pain and Gain" nerf (and "Storm Wall" for Arms nerf)
yep
daring marlin
So the IP buff, is it a 57% absorb?
Fuckin' nailed it, Ghash.
warm plinth
Pretty much all % heals got nerfed
Because the 25% health increase would've been an effective 25% increase to those as well
grave flower
I just love the tier changes.
tardy lily
Pretty much all % heals got nerfed
e.g. Brew heals got buffed ๐คทโโ๏ธ
and absorbs
prisma crane
I am more weirded out by the fact that all other speccs got healing increases (n...
careful, ppl will accuse you of complaining about that
warm plinth
None of the brew heals are % heals, are they?
tardy lily
I don't think the 110% change to "Fuelled by Violence" will make us prots talent into that tbh
prisma crane
Because the 25% health increase would've been an effective 25% increase to those...
no, because incoming dmg has scaled with the HP gain
warm plinth
What does the incoming damage have to do with it
tardy lily
None of the brew heals are % heals, are they?
uneven mason
I just love the tier changes.
Even at 300% the 4p was uh...it was scary bad, not sure that's enough Zero
warm plinth
Yes that's a % of the amount healed, not a % of your max HP
tardy lily
oh i see what you menan ow, yeah ok makes sense
prisma crane
100 hp take 20 dmg is 20%, 125 hp, take 25 dmg is still 20%
so something that heals for a % would have to match
tardy lily
yep, yeah makes sense
prisma crane
so if something heals for X% of your hp, it shouldnt change
any change would be a buff or nerf
tardy lily
i had only 4 hours of sleep xD brain still on wakeup mode - understood now the difference :D
warm plinth
But damage you take is not based on your health at all
So what % of your health you take is not relevant
prisma crane
except it's relative
warm plinth
Like on M0 it might be 1%, on M+25 it might be 25%
prisma crane
i gave a value
warm plinth
(arbitrary numbers obviously)
prisma crane
yea and that 1% and 25% will be the same before and after
prisma crane
10.0.7. and 10.1
daring marlin
Not exactly bad IMO
warm plinth
It's pretty bad
Like it's an increase obviously but it's still a really meh set bonus
uneven mason
I was talking the damage the shockwave part did
sinful copper
"for 20 sec sec"
uneven mason
It was like less than 1% of total
prisma crane
my point is something that hurts because it hits for X amount will hit you for 25% more, but we have 25% larger health pool, so relative impact is the same, so healing back should be the same %, something like PnG would need to remain 4.5 to have the same effect as we have now
tardy lily
On a different note, can someone explain/elaborate a bit more on how to properly mitigate magic dmg? I know how SR works etc. but I am not 100% about how Spell Block works. Is it basically like the Paladin "Holy Shield" talent where you just are able to block spells based on block chance or how does it work? also does it mitigate aoe ground effects and such?
I am so-so currently on thinking whether i should keep on prot war for s2 or swap to e.g. brew
warm plinth
It's going to be easy to waste the tier bonus because like even on higher keys (20+), a pack may not live for 35 seconds to make use of the entire bonus.
uneven mason
On a different note, can someone explain/elaborate a bit more on how to properly...
Our block chance should be 100% at all times, reduce spell damage by our block mitigation
warm plinth
On a different note, can someone explain/elaborate a bit more on how to properly...
Yes, you're correct. It mitigates spells based on block chance. So you need to have Shield Block active to guarantee blocks with it.
prisma crane
at the same time LS could last longer than the pack is alive so you carry the remaining with you into the next and have 20 sec of the dmg
pallid quiver
On a different note, can someone explain/elaborate a bit more on how to properly...
Also, for ground effects/aoe effects, depends on cast
prisma crane
its a net positive, we'll see how it plays out
pallid quiver
There's a sheet in pins that Sense rocks for us that does much of the guesswork for you
tardy lily
i see, so mainly use SB in conjunction with Spell Block - was asking because i feel like s2 introduces even more magic dmg heavy fights, so hence my question.
tardy lily
There's a sheet in pins that Sense rocks for us that does much of the guesswork ...
thanks, got it
pallid quiver
Well, SB should always be up, anyway
tardy lily
yeah, true
urban portal
my point is something that hurts because it hits for X amount will hit you for 2...
the point is not for it to be the same
pallid quiver
You can have 100% uptime, so as long as you're facing the enemy
urban portal
its supposed to be a bit weaker
prisma crane
the point is not for it to be the same
no, its literally supposed to be the same
tardy lily
i need to work a bit better on my SB uptime, it's not 100% yet when actively tanking, mainly because I am drowning in rage and cant press shit fast enough. and I fear it's only going to get worse
prisma crane
crude notch
relative to what it healed for before it should be the same HPS
prisma crane
healers are supposed to be the ones nerfed, not tanks
hence the buffs to all things based on dmg by 25%
prisma crane
yea because you don't understand it
crude notch
Understand what? You going back to the well?
prisma crane
i get it, you have nothing to add to the convo, so you go back to previous convos
uneven mason
i need to work a bit better on my SB uptime, it's not 100% yet when actively tan...
What
crude notch
I was just eating my ice cream watching you have the same conversation from an hour ago.
crude notch
i need to work a bit better on my SB uptime, it's not 100% yet when actively tan...
If you're drowning in rage and you can't press SB, that usually means SB isn't in an easily accessible place.
prisma crane
explaining how %s work?
warm plinth
I agree with Jordan. You probably need to move it to be more easily pressed.
Krotos we understand what you're saying, but Blizzard's goal and what you think their goal is, isn't the same.
tardy lily
If you're drowning in rage and you can't press SB, that usually means SB isn't i...
nah, i just forget to press it, because I either press IP to not overcap and Revenge to dps.
warm plinth
They want it to be the same HPS. You want it to be increased.
uneven mason
They let the same dude who designed never surrender write these patch notes
warm plinth
I put the blame on Blizzard for not being clear but that's basically what's going on here
prisma crane
They want it to be the same HPS. You want it to be increased.
they never stated they wanted it to be the same HPS
warm plinth
No, they were vague and said they wanted it to be equivalent
crude notch
As seen in every other HP% heal being changed for the most part
warm plinth
Which you interpreted to mean one way, which happens to be different than their way
prisma crane
and then proceeded to mathematically match most abilities to the 25% additional dmg intake as well
prisma crane
^
uneven mason
No
prisma crane
for example
to keep the relative power the same, despite a higher HPS
dmg dealers and healers had a "nerf" tanks were intended to be the same relative values as now
tardy lily
i refer to this. if you do the math, it's 125%, so 25% bigger absorb. If you also increase player HP by 25% then it is the addendum to the IP increase. This way our values stay the same, while all HEALERS basically need to press more buttons to kep our HP bar up
prisma crane
HPS isnt a relative, its an absolute
crude notch
did dmg dealers get a nerf? Pretty sure a lot of their off-healing stuff got buffed similar to tanks.
prisma crane
healing for X amount when your dmg intake is higher is relatively weaker
warm plinth
Right but they are trying to maintain relativeness to the current HPS, not to the % of health they heal, which is clear from the changes. You're just upset (understandably) that they changed them not in the way you think they should.
tardy lily
yes, they also got buffed as long as if it wasn't max hp based heal
crude notch
right
uneven mason
i refer to this. if you do the math, it's 125%, so 25% bigger absorb. If you als...
The amount IP absorbs isn't based on the cast, it's this misconception that left never surrender as a talent for half a drcade
warm plinth
What do you mean, it's not based on the cast?
prisma crane
Right but they are trying to maintain relativeness to the current HPS, not to th...
what are you talking about? everything for us is the exact same apart from a small nerf to PnG?
uneven mason
It's based incoming damage
prisma crane
you have it incorrect, or they would have nerfed indom
uneven mason
It absorbs up to 50%
tardy lily
The amount IP absorbs isn't based on the cast, it's this misconception that left...
yes that i know, but look at the formula, i am not basing it on the cast itself, there is still the formula behind which converts incoming dmg to absorb
warm plinth
It absorbs 50%, up to that amount
prisma crane
@warm plinth is correct here on the IP absorb
warm plinth
The increase is a 25% increase to that number, not to how much you absorb at any given moment
prisma crane
it always reduces dmg (in the form of an absorb) by 50% up to a set value
prisma crane
that set value is what got buffed
crude notch
Swiggity Swooty
prisma crane
so the value we get per rage spent went up 25%
to keep it relatively the same as now
uneven mason
It's the cast that got buffed
tardy lily
i wouldn't necessarily say the cast itself, but the target absorb value maximum of the cast ๐ค but yes, now it's only nitpicking
warm plinth
you have it incorrect, or they would have nerfed indom
I don't claim to have it correct or incorrect. I'm saying that Blizz has a different idea of what they're changing things for than you or I do. I agree that they should have been left alone. I don't know why they changed them and I agree that it doesn't make sense. I'm not sure what else to say.
Maybe Indom was left alone because it requires rage to be spent and isn't just a % heal on its own
tardy lily
i think the main issue is that the wording can be understood in different ways but when we look at the formula we see what's really happening
prisma crane
it scales off our OUR hp, which is why it didnt need to be buffed, because it already indirectly was
their intent isnt vague at all
warm plinth
Well it clearly is if they aren't buffing things consistently
crude notch
Their intent is pretty vague.
prisma crane
"most" of these things are buffed consistently, hence why i asked before originally about PnG because it was an outlier
everything that deviates i assume is a means to further tune
warm plinth
And I explained that they did that with all % of max health heals for the most part. And it spiraled from there. I agree with you. I was just trying to explain what it looks like they did.
crude notch
Then it's consistent in the nerfs too then
because everything that was nerfed was %hp based
The inconsistency comes in what they did or didn't nerf when it comes to %hp based
such as indom or frenzied regen
prisma crane
what HP based heal/mitigation for tanks was touched?
and not one based on dmg or STR/AGI
prisma crane
im not familiar with all tanks so im asking
because so far all the buffs i see in the notes are based on dmg or atp or sp
crude notch
Do you mean what other ones?
prisma crane
apart from PnG, yes
crude notch
Okay
uneven mason
Poor guardians though getting hard trolled
crude notch
What about guardian?
uneven mason
"swiftmend healing increased by 50%" etc..yup enjoy getting oneshot when you break bear form to cast that
crude notch
ok?
Like it's silly that they buffed that, but they did get compensatory buffs.
Inside bear form
uneven mason
I found it funny they bothered to list those as guardian buffs
crude notch
lmao ye
crude notch
jesus christ
sinful copper
"swiftmend healing increased by 50%" etc..yup enjoy getting oneshot when you bre...
There's no talent or anything that gives them swiftmend while casting something else or while in bear?
prisma crane
they're updates to account for HP increase
prisma crane
so only the 50% one is a buff
crude notch
The definition of buff is number go up in good way
crude notch
What was that about word police?
uneven mason
There's no talent or anything that gives them swiftmend while casting something ...
The only heal you can use as bear is regrowth every 20s with doc, which to take that talent is a very substantial DPS and HPS loss
prisma crane
except one is objective
crude notch
The numbers got buffed to compensate.
No matter the end result
It was still buffed.
Ika and I were on the same page
We knew ultimately it was a balancing of power
uneven mason
Yeah krotos don't word police the nitpicker
prisma crane
so, again, what tank abilities based on self HP were changed apart from PnG? genuine question
i find that offensive
crude notch
You should
prisma crane
/s
anyways, i still asked
a real question
because it helps prove my point about the intent and it not being vague
crude notch
You really need to evaluate the healthiness of being fixated on such an insignificant change for 2+ hours.
They nerfed many %hp based healing.
prisma crane
such as?
prisma crane
and im referring specifically to tanks, because A that's this channel, and B, they called out tanks separately in that post
crimson quarry
they nerfed no % based, if they did they woulda touched Death Strike and the dk disc would be in flames
png is a outlier, who dafuq knows why
prisma crane
ty
uneven mason
Looks like just ours was nerfed
prisma crane
that was my whole point
crude notch
PnG isn't an outlier
prisma crane
it literally is
crude notch
Fodder, Exhil, Cocoon.
uneven mason
It is
crimson quarry
kekw dps and healer shit
crude notch
There's not as many %HP based healing as you think
prisma crane
how many times do i have to repeat something to get it through your thick skull
crude notch
Bro what
prisma crane
they said they wanted to keep tanks relatively the same
then you proceed to list dps or heal shit
crude notch
Yes, I'm aware.
warm plinth
I highly doubt vengeance escapes unscathed there to be fair. Like every havoc change that crosses over into vengeance results in a vengeance nerf
crude notch
My statement wasn't they nerfed a bunch of %hp based healing for tanks
My statement was they nerfed other %hp based healing
Period
warm plinth
Not that fodder was at all important to vengeance's survival anyway. More of a bonus than anything
uneven mason
I legit don't run it
prisma crane
My statement was they nerfed other %hp based healing
but i. dont. care. about. dps. healing
crude notch
That's fine
prisma crane
i was talking about tanks
warm plinth
There aren't many tank % heals
crude notch
That doesn't making my statement
uneven mason
Because fucks with my targeting
crude notch
any less true
warm plinth
Fodder, Frenzied Regen, and P&G are all I can think of
crude notch
The reason PnG was nerfed is more than likely because it's on the Class Tree side of things and they didn't have any consideration for it's impact on Prot
Because well
prisma crane
i care about prot warrior relative other tanks, not our self sustain compared to a fucking dps
they already have tech to have it spec specific
uneven mason
Looks like they reduced a chunk of rets healing
Think they're keeping healers relevant after the Noheal runs got attention
warm plinth
Well the only relevant tank % heal is frenzied regen
P&G doesn't matter
Fodder doesn't matter
The only relevant one was not touched
@crude notch do you drink energy drinks at all
crude notch
Not anymore.
warm plinth
I shouldn't but I tried one today that is just delightful
It's a monster flavor called Strawberry Dreams
Super tasty
crude notch
Yo, I saw that one and was curious.
urban portal
Could be the same without the energy
prisma crane
The only relevant one was not touched
my point is that none of the % based heals were touched because they already indirectly got touched via the HP increase
urban portal
Wish they made some energy drinks without energy
crude notch
my point is that none of the % based heals were touched because they already ind...
We get that
TWO HOURS AGO
warm plinth
I just feel like you're arguing with us when we don't even necessarily disagree with you
I already explicitly said I agree that it's weird
prisma crane
you said HPS was meant to be the same, which is incorrect for tanks specifically
warm plinth
And I still feel like you're arguing with me XD
storm geode
Alguien juega Cataclismo?
prisma crane
HPS is intended to be relatively the same, which means 25% increase (for tanks)
crude notch
Like you can rage for two hours about an insignificant talent being nerfed an insignificant amount by all means, but don't be shocked when you catch flak in return.
uneven mason
And I still feel like you're arguing with me XD
Its the energy drink ghash
warm plinth
Alguien juega Cataclismo?
I did, yes, but I don't speak spanish
crude notch
Alguien juega Cataclismo?
donde?
warm plinth
I had to pull from the depths of hell to even understand those 3 words
My 1 year of spanish gg
crude notch
I was trying to figure out if there was a talent called cataclysm, if he meant in the past, or if he meant on like a private server.
warm plinth
I think there's a destro talent called that, or used to be maybe
crude notch
I guess it is the next classic, right?
crude notch
Will they bring back Vengeance
crude notch
Cata was new talent system, ye
crude notch
I hope they bring back the spec Vengeance at some point
Same. 
warm plinth
I'm doing some leveling in the TW Jordan. Should be up to nine 70s later tonight
Only 30 more toons after that lul
warm plinth
Actually might be kinda hard to do Specless, idk if TW has an ilevel restriction ๐ค
sadge
new patch soon, maybe more excitement
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gleaming prawn
Qrd on the jade boss with the wave kicks?
I can't see the waves until they are already moving
But in vids I see them much earlier
pallid quiver
That sounds like a graphics issue
You should always see the waves form, they sit there for a second or twoz then shoot out
warm plinth
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sinful copper
hey ghash, how come you mentioned that granyths is a terrible M+ trinket but some of the top tanks are using it?
is it because im not doing 28+ keys?
warm plinth
It's because top tanks are not infallible
And believe it or not, even top players just follow other people that are better than them. Case in point, Andy was the first person to start using HR in keys, despite it always having been the best option, and then the rest of the prot warriors followed suit.
A lot of top tanks also use decoration of flame, even though it is also a very middle of the pack trinket.
onyx vessel
Icon + w.e
mighty valley
top tanks using bad trinkets also means we should all stress less about gear and stress more about playing good
and having good friends
sinful copper
whats HR? ๐
sinful copper
oooh
warm plinth
A lot of top tanks were using Into the Fray for a while, which creates gaps in your Shield Block uptime in keys because you're literally always tanking
Not big gaps, but when you're tanking 5+ mobs, even a short gap can be deadly
sinful copper
if i get decoration of flame, do i just use on cd?
warm plinth
Yes
frosty sapphire
Yeah decoration of flame looks so cool
urban portal
A tiny speck of fire
fresh igloo
is ITF common over HR in raid due to tank swaps
warm plinth
ITF is more damage than HR so any time you don't need to be tanking 100% of the time, it's better
fresh igloo
makes sense, 10% haste is a lot of stat.
vale escarp
Btw is Shild Block bugged in logs? Our Protw got like 20% uptime on fights he should have 100%
warm plinth
Yikes
Uptime is not the metric we're looking for, but no, it's not bugged.
He's just bad.
Do you have logs?
fresh igloo
oh boy lol
you'll need to start by telling your tank to actually push their buttons...
limpid anchor
He was prepared to taunt