protection

[urban portal]

because tanks do less damage than DPS

so flat damage trinkets are larger% of your damage

obviously this is all subject to tuning

for all we know theres no good flat damage trinkets next tier

[sick sentinel]

10.1 you mean and not 10.2

i assume all / most items 10.1 are in ptr

[urban portal]

yes but no one has simmed anything

and its still all subject to tuning

[sour meadow]

Call to chaos seems giga

Idk

[urban portal]

it is giga

just the 5% thats tough

its like an extra 1/3rd of a key

[hardy snow]

pocket anvil from raid can be good

[hexed bolt]

well, our most dmg is coming in the first 6-8 seconds anyways so its preety good

mb thought were in fury channel

[hushed harbor]

5% ain’t gonna kill ya. Lots of mitigation options.

[urban portal]

def not gonna kill you

but can make the key a bit harder

again each key level is around 15%

so this is 1/3rd of a key

[hushed harbor]

When it procs yeah. But if it’s beyond all other options we could use a cooldown during the window. Just didn’t know if the benefit was THAT much better than other trinket options in 10.1. Sounds like I’ll just sit tight and wait for smarter math people to post rankings 🙂

[uneven mason]

I love how they're trying to scare tanks away from using the good DPS trinkets by increasing damage taken....instead of just fixing tanking trinkets and grasping that if you want to have tanks use defensive trinkets they have to do damage

Random proc defensive or miniscule absorbs or even worse a heal does not a good trinket make

Give me something that bubbles me for 300% of my health or something impactful

Or just suck it up and get rid of the "defensive trinket" concept

[errant leaf]

Word

[hushed harbor]

👆

[naive panther]

Yeah who wants a 1k hps trinket when you can have a 5k dps trinket.

[lethal atlas]

We already outheal some healers and in higher keys it’s easy enough to just flick on D stance when needed and use the DPS trinkets.

[craggy pilot]

everyone gonna tryhard for the Treemouth Splinter trinket

because every high key pusher is gonna use it in their 25+ key

and then people will think its BIS for +15 😄

[patent gorge]

That was the first trinket that dropped for me in M0 so naturally I wont see it for like 2 months

[uneven mason]

Looking at that chaos trinket again, the raw str on the proc probably increases our physical mit through vanguard more than the 5%

[oblique kayak]

chaos and beacon combo seems like a good trinket selection

[uneven mason]

I mean the crit as the front stat on chaos really reduces it overall in my eyes, it's very hard to justify dropping str

On another note wtf blizzard, resto shaman is good enough people are playing it and they're like oh shit, oops can't have that happening

[last mason]

do you just press roar and ravager on cd for dmg

and shield charge

[uneven mason]

Yup

[last mason]

bc it feels clunky opening a pull and having to press avatar, demo shout, ravager, charge, and then roar

but they dont line up so thought maybe its not so bad after that

[uneven mason]

ravager is ahead of demo, but you really don't need to fixate on optimizing the opener

They "should" line up

Since demo is 45 and ravager and roar are 90s

[last mason]

and unrelated, theres no way prot gets the condemn animation right

[uneven mason]

Ugh no

[last mason]

huge bummer

[jagged pier]

yes there is

its masscre or juggernaut that gives it too u

not worth taking really ever

but u can get it

[uneven mason]

Oh, my response was a "why would you want too" mostly

[mighty valley]

make it a glyph

[uneven mason]

There's a lot of things they should make into glyphs

Like, a glyph that causes heroic throw to throw a gnome instead of your weapon

[minor helm]

massacre

[lusty tiger]

Avatar should turn me into the actual avatar

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-air-bender-gif-18465547

[uneven mason]

Well

I was trying to put in a more appropriate avatar

[daring marlin]

Massacre should let you execute 100-80% too

:^)

[uneven mason]

But apparently Kugen is explicit content

[uneven mason]

And give us fury's execute

[lusty tiger]

demo shout should make the mobs' ears bleed

[uneven mason]

It's demoralizing, they should cry

[lusty tiger]

tru

there should be one that turns your shield into the legendary one when you crit block

imagine having crit blocks and no way to tell they happened

tclap should have an fart animation glyph for dwarves and orcs only

[uneven mason]

Tauren would make way more sense

All that methane

[lusty tiger]

tauren are more polite

[uneven mason]

Yeah but if you eat nothing but grass

[uneven mason]

You obviously haven't done that Baine quest chain

He's pretty blatantly speciesist

[daring marlin]

moo

[fresh igloo]

but he learned to overcome his prejudices!

or something

also he gave me this neat stick thingy.

[uneven mason]

He's still like "maybe I'm not always right"; this is a far cry from,"I was wrong*

[fresh igloo]

"or something"

[uneven mason]

Yeah my tauren sporting the quad totem setup

[daring marlin]

engi beacon thingy let me be a tauren on my pally earlier

love them animations

[uneven mason]

Why would your Paladin be anything but a tauren

Like, if orcs could be paladins I'd understand

[fresh igloo]

holy cow

[uneven mason]

But if can't orc then cow

[sick sentinel]

there are some things in lore that are just too far

like, human can be a shaman, and orc can be a paladin (or undead can be paladin, but thats for a more 2head approach)

from day one warcraft 1 thats been the defining difference besides orc green human pink

because its about it represents what each sides beliefs are and how they do things, gives them a story

[hardy snow]

people still care about lore bullshit for classes/races combination in 2023?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[daring marlin]

Human. 😏

[sick sentinel]

that one side can do one thing and the other can do something that is deemed equal

and its a rival

and they are opposed to eachother

[hardy snow]

i mean, you dont have to create undead paladin or gnome druid if you dont want to, but people who dont care should be able to play any combination

[daring marlin]

Though if I were a Tauren I'd definitely be a badass blonde cow.

FOR THE LIGHT

[sick sentinel]

how come not gnome druid tho

[daring marlin]

delete gnomes

[sick sentinel]

whats the excues there

[daring marlin]

that's why

[sick sentinel]

rip millhouse manastorm

[lime urchin]

whats this?!

[sweet summit]

bonus rolls from ancient times

[lime urchin]

ah

boring

[sick sentinel]

"i already have 5 coins i have to spend some tonight"

[modern brook]

i love bonus rolls dude

give me my bonus loot i have to T I T A N F O R G

[sick sentinel]

titanforge complainers are maximum tier copium andies

[daring marlin]

LOL

[sweet summit]

same bro they were cool

[uneven mason]

Running nighthold 3x a week while progressing in antorus praying for that titanforged cof

[uneven mason]

Reminds me my pal and dk are out of bonus rolls from SoO runs

[tropic gorge]

titanforged drops were cool

i hated reforging tho. i'm glad that shits gone

[torn gulch]

i remember someone doing lfr antorus and titanforging an item all the way to 975 ilvl

or someone buying a relinquished token with veiled argunite and titanforging a 975 arcanocrystal

[warm plinth]

What is to hate about reforming?

Reforging

[daring marlin]

L

[daring marlin]

Good. They wouldn't magically be able to do hard content.

[sweet summit]

raidbots iterations

[nocturne spindle]

why do pubs suck at AV TJS and HOV for me

any magical tanking tips for making DPS not die to odyn runes

[daring marlin]

Because getting out of cones is super duper hard bruv

tell them to pop a personal

or a pot

[modern brook]

this is like the single most incorrect take ive ever seen lol

[daring marlin]

largest L ever

[modern brook]

tf without reforging was ASS

[daring marlin]

reforging only sorta sucked cuz hit/expertise was a thing

they axe hit/expertise and simultaneously get rid of reforging

? ? ?

[nocturne spindle]

idk

reforging was only somewhat interesting because of that

or else it would just be

zug zug add haste

[daring marlin]

depending on the spec that's a problem...why?

[nocturne spindle]

its not a problem

but its also just basically the same as not having it

[daring marlin]

You're implying that's a bad thing.

[strong forum]

The proclaimed issue was that because of expertise and hit you had to reforge every single time back and forth depending on upgrades

Blizz didn't like that

Nowadays it wouldn't change anything cuz you sim anyway except you'd have less useless items

[warm plinth]

Exactly why Ic want it back. No more bullshit like multistrike and hit. Just makes useless items less useless

[strong forum]

From Player pov it's absolutely better

[daring marlin]

"oh look ilvl upgrade"

mastery vers

[strong forum]

Yeah that's the worst case scenario

Like from Player pov it's absolutely better

But it's blizz decision afterall and I doubt it'll make a return

[crude notch]

wHaT sHoUlD i ReFoRgE mY gEaR tO?

[left basalt]

Big lurker, thanks for all the tips

[crude notch]

bUt BiG sTrEaMeR rEfOrGeD vErS!

[grand saddle]

you guys think double wall is a must for tyran?

also thoughts on bolstering?

bolster*

[sweet summit]

idk if double wall is worth in all dungeons, rlp and temple it's good for sure
bolster isn't needed as you get enough sb uptime with hr, ed and shield charge thingy

[shrewd grove]

Not a fan of double wall or bolster tbh. If you really feel like you're getting trucked, throw it in dstance for a bit

[modern brook]

Gratz

[warm plinth]

well at least that'll be pretty close to the stuff we already hear

[pallid quiver]

Replace big streamer with "Top Wars" and that's exactly what we get

[round pendant]

huh

why isn't my demo lining up with shield charge

[warm plinth]

thunderlord?

[round pendant]

nope

that's why I'm confused

is it because I'm doing world content

[warm plinth]

do you have a pvp talent or something?

[round pendant]

YEP

lmao

[solid rain]

Hey guys, I could use a bit of help. I'm really unsure what to upgrade as my second 418 (with concentrated primal infusion), after lariat. For a bit of context, I'm a returning player (came back 3 weeks ago) doing m+ exclusively and my goal for S1 is to get to 2500 hopefully.
Here's my profile if it helps: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/argent-dawn/Bormasina
I'm really unsure if the unstable frostfire belt is worth it for me since there's no chance at the rings. If not, are the defense gains from a 411 to a 418 shield high, or should I go with the embellished bracers instead?

[verbal wren]

Shield.

[sick sentinel]

always shield first for us above anything else

[violet flume]

agreed, if you want a cheap quick 2nd embellishment slap an armor spike on it and remove it later for another

[sick sentinel]

very few other classes or specs actually full on require a shield, only comparable thing is rogues with daggers i think

hunters with bows or guns, but even then, they can use many 2h's and i think possibly 1h's for surv?

[left basalt]

What’s the best embellishment to put on the shield overall?

[pallid quiver]

None

[solid rain]

understood, shield it is then. thanks guys!

[pallid quiver]

To elaborate, overall, none on it is better since you want a higher ilvl shield that can't even get an embel, but if you have/want to, it's usually armor spikes, at least for M+

[left basalt]

Would the food buff one be somewhat equivalent?

[pallid quiver]

That's not even an embel

unless you don't mean pocket or whatever

[left basalt]

Oh I’m dumb, yes I see what you mean thank you.

[sullen gust]

Maybe slightly off topic, but does anyone know if it's possible to make a macro so that I can swap my spec, and enter battle stance?

[muted wyvern]

Is here a way for prot to farm Eye of Skovald

?

[warm plinth]

No, but there's no reason we would want it anyway

It only procs off of ranged attacks

[scenic mural]

Homie thought he was in the pally discord

[sick sentinel]

Heroic throw w eye = W?

[urban portal]

Sure

[echo egret]

Check the pins

[sick sentinel]

only time you would put embellishment on shield is like me

if u have just 1 max ilvl crafted embellishment

and then like some shitter 405 395 lariat or friendship bracers

and then whenever you were able to get your real second embellishment, (crafted to 418/ new max i mean) then you would remove the shield one in re-craft

[round thicket]

Bit of a dumb question but we just dump rage on revenge when we are near cap, right? For content where you dont need to refresh IP more than the duration

Guides dont say anything about using rage besides IP so I just wanna make sure I'm not missing some obscure talent interaction that makes using revenge outside of procs a bad idea

[pallid quiver]

Literally the exact opposite; you spend rage by default on revenge, avoid overcapping with IP

Revenge costs less rage overall than IP, and IP is off the global cd, allowing you to control your rage intake/economy better

[round thicket]

Cheers

[pallid quiver]

You'll also press IP even if it would cap, give you no meaningful duration, or anything, since wasting rage is worse than anything IP can do for you

As spending rage funds into the core mechanic of the class, funding Anger Management CD reduction, Indom healing, and Outburst building

[round thicket]

I figured the guides are designed for fights you lose IP as fast as you can use it so just wanted to 2x check

[pallid quiver]

Even if you were to lose it that fast, it would still be better to default to Revenge and avoid overcapping with IP due to that actually being a lot of IP casts

in fact, overprioritizing IP gives you less IP overall, since as I mentioned, Revenge costs less rage overall due to it having a chance to reset Shield Slam's cooldown

[round thicket]

Gotcha. Thanks for the help!

[pallid quiver]

IP is also not particularly a life-saving measure. It mostly just slows down the amount of damage you take. It's a pretty handy defensive tool, but it's not as important as making sure your rage economy goes uninterrupted to enable more casts of Shield Wall, for example, due to the Anger Management CD reduction

[ornate socket]

Maybe i'm dumb, but where can i find the pins?

[pastel atlas]

top right

[ornate socket]

ah thx

[uneven mason]

TFW you see +10 CoS with "LF TANK PALADIN"

[lime urchin]

Min 3.2k rio

[sick sentinel]

one guy for a raid he had put u have to have an m.2 gen 4 slot so u wont waste his time by having a very long loading screen time and if your pc is like that its dog shit so you are a shit player cant come to the raid

probably meme, but who knows ppl are weird

[twin bramble]

Doing my first raid tonight. Does dbm tell you when to tank swap?

[onyx matrix]

Yes

[ruby vortex]

Yes* (in that it does until it glitches and doesn’t). I’d also recommend co-tank weakauras (I think there are several versions on Wago) as it’ll track relevant stacks for swaps

[twin bramble]

Thanks!

[dense coral]

😂

[twin bramble]

https://wago.io/dfcotank1 this one work?

[ruby vortex]

Sounds like a good start at least? Been a long time since I got mine and I’m off the computer atm

[balmy canyon]

You could always just wait for cotank to die then you don't need taunt

[left basalt]

yolo

[lime urchin]

What’s the yolo part?

[left basalt]

Thought the spike was preferred, this is for personal preference.

[strong forum]

flavour pocket doesnt count as embellishment

[amber siren]

spike definitely isn't preferred, and the food one doesn't count towards the total

[left basalt]

TIL

[toxic pewter]

How much is flavor pocket these days. I haven’t played in 4 months

[fresh igloo]

depends on the market on your server

50-70k maybe?

[toxic pewter]

Oh jeeze still expensive

[fresh igloo]

also not hard to farm if you have a bunch of level 60s.

one capped out character means all your alts can go straight there and start farming the weekly soup quest. can easily get at least 5+ characters done in one soup event.

[toxic pewter]

Nah I’m not playing. I was burned out 4 months ago. Wild to me people still playing tbh lmao

[fresh igloo]

then... why does it matter what it costs lol

[toxic pewter]

Just curious

One of the most boring xpacs I’ve played tbh

[fresh igloo]

that's certainly an opinion.

[toxic pewter]

Yah I was having such a good time at first then… I wasn’t

[fresh igloo]

https://theunderminejournal.com/ if you're randomly curious about things.

it's OK to move on from a game. doesn't mean the game is bad or you are bad. take a break, or even retire, if you so desire.

[toxic pewter]

Just crazy apparently people still playing 6 months in?

[fresh igloo]

I dunno what to tell you, do you honestly think wow has survived for a couple decades as an active game still dominating the market... with no one playing it for months at a time?

[toxic pewter]

Yah but I did everything in the patch 4 months ago

Like nothin to do after that until 10.1. I guess

[lusty tiger]

Wow survives off people forgetting to cancel their subs

[fresh igloo]

so you got cutting edge done in the first month of raid release? nice. cool. that's why blizz doesn't cater to the high end of players though lol.

[toxic gyro]

Not everyone like you can get r1 in pvp, 3.5k io, 8/8m, and collect everything in 4months.

[toxic pewter]

Get good

[fresh igloo]

the fact that you can't comprehend anything outside of your bubble of experience says more about you than anything else.

[toxic gyro]

Not sure why are you complaining and bothering, let wow players play and you go enjoy different game lol

[toxic pewter]

Just making a observation that’s all

[lavish oracle]

I don't understand how this is different than literally any other patch this game has ever had

Like maybe except for the like 12 boss raid tiers where prog would take longer?

[slim dove]

yeah you were pushing 25+ keys 4 months ago?

cool

[lavish oracle]

I mean maybe or maybe playing M+ wasn't their goal, either way, WoW has always been a seasonal game

Like maybe that's not your thing anymore and that's fine

[toxic pewter]

Yah maybe you’re right. Just was burnt out months ago

[slim dove]

if you were 8/8 4 months ago, gz your not part of wow's targeted demographic

[toxic pewter]

Just feel like df burnt me out faster than any xpac

Even shadowlands didn’t burn me so badly

[slim dove]

Probably because you werent forced to do torghast and renown shit every week

[lament scroll]

df has very little to offer thats why

[toxic pewter]

Yah hmm

[lavish oracle]

I think that's partly because so much of the content was available upfront

[toxic pewter]

Yah sounds correct to be honest

[lavish oracle]

Like I know people who were like 25 in every rep the first couple weeks

[toxic pewter]

Yah that was me

[lavish oracle]

And they burned out real quick

[slim dove]

everyones goals are different and being surprised people are still playing is wack

[toxic gyro]

You haven’t done half of the available content and you say there’s nothing to do lol

[slim dove]

people are still pushing for CE rn

[toxic pewter]

I burned myself out so fast I guess I have myself to blame

I blame myself

I went too hard

To fast

[uneven mason]

You play game 2, blizzard is focused on game 1 now because 99.9% of players play game 1 and only about 10% overlap into game 2

[toxic pewter]

Just too powerful for my own good

Gonna have to hold myself back in 10.1

[uneven mason]

Legit most RWF type guilds play during that and maybe a few weeks past and then break until the next season

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, every time a new patch hits I have to remember to just log off if I'm just logging in because I don't know what else to do with my time

Otherwise I burn out real fast

[uneven mason]

I guess if being jobless and having no irl responsibility that lets you put 80+ hours into a video game is power

[toxic pewter]

Ngl these new dungeons in 10.1 don’t seem to appealing. I am one of the few that actually enjoy season affixes

[lavish oracle]

I generally like seasonals but I'm open to a season without them

[toxic pewter]

[lavish oracle]

That said, freehold and underrot are bangers

I don't care what anyone says about tyrannical freehold

[uneven mason]

They're tweaking FH

[toxic pewter]

Maybe I belong in classic wow. Would I get burned out in that game

[lavish oracle]

Hope they make it so the last pack doesn't pull with harlan

That shit is wack

[uneven mason]

Well dragon flight has about 10* the content as wotlk

[lavish oracle]

I know a lot of people who just raid log in classic

Seems like they have a good time

[uneven mason]

That's all you can do

I gave up on classic grabbing my attention because like, I geared a warlock druid and warrior up to 240ish ilvl and just flat ran out of stuff to do, even their heroic plus stuff wasn't engaging because only alts need the equipment from there

[toxic pewter]

Wow needs more stuff to do

[lavish oracle]

I wouldn't mind some visions type content

Challenging single-player stuff

But not like rogue lite/torg style or for mandatory power gains

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I loved visions personally thought they were really cool

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, felt nice to have a progression experience I could do solo

Torg kinda whiffed for me because so much of it was random. Felt more like I was just hoping I high-rolled in endless rather than I was getting better at doing torg

Or whatever it was called

Twisting corridors?

[toxic pewter]

Yah I think so? Can’t remember 100%

[hazy hazel]

The problem with classic I had was even with multiple BiS toons running multiple GDKPs, banking and progging most content down relatively fast...it's still classic and there isn't much difficulty/achievement in doing much as someone that also did it the first time around. Feels like replaying a single player game, but requiring people to push buttons and do smart things. Reward just wasn't worth the hassle...but damn do I love raid logging to go enjoy something else.

[strong forum]

Im a guy that fully commits to 1 game, so raidlogging sounds absolutely horrendous

I play because I want to play, not because I have to, which turns raiding into a literal chore for me

[daring marlin]

I dunno about that, pal. M+ is plenty entertaining.

[strong forum]

Nah I agree with apb

[daring marlin]

I'm the same for the most part. Except with two games usually.

[strong forum]

The game is unplayable casually (by that I mean outside of raiding/pvp/m+)

[daring marlin]

It'd be like WoW+League or WoW+some fighting game at the time, etc...

[strong forum]

It's a theme park mmo, where the only type of park that exists is forced group play

You can't play the game just because you want to and still progress

You have to have a group

[torn gulch]

This is why I play 2 mmo's
If I want casual content and to have fun in player housing and zone content I play FF14
When I want to be conpetitive and push M+ and raid I play WoW
works out for me

[daring marlin]

I think it'd be cool if they added something similar to the solo tower in Blade and Soul.

[strong forum]

The game offers 0 horizontal progression, it just offers some lame collections that are limited to farming old raids and dungeons forever and ever

[daring marlin]

Not Torghast. Strictly solo content.

[torn gulch]

Like Palace of the Dead or Heaven on high in FF14

[strong forum]

Yes, the game needs proper content that isn't as short lived and gives proper cosmetic rewards that aren't just recolour #13

Or pets and titles

[torn gulch]

Content similar to what the Mage Tower was the first time

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

We need more mage tower esque content

[torn gulch]

maybe they do some this xpac
i've seen some stuff hinted in the content diagram for 2023

[toxic pewter]

I guess I can’t tell if it’s me or the game anymore but I just realized I haven’t played in 4 months.. like why am I not playing my favorite game of all time.

[daring marlin]

Truly challenging solo content is the only thing I want in WoW tbh

[strong forum]

It would be a godsend

[toxic pewter]

Yes that’s what it is.. challenging content I guess

Where I don’t have to deal with 20 other people lmao

[torn gulch]

TBH they need to work on laying a solid base for WoW after the fiasco of BFA and SL which they are doing now

[strong forum]

See my favourite game is diablo, I played wow the most, but diablo is my fav

[torn gulch]

then build things from that base

[daring marlin]

Same bro

[toxic pewter]

Yah fair enough Diablo 2 may be my favorite if I really think on it

[daring marlin]

When Diablo is fun...I never get bored

[toxic pewter]

But wow I put in most time

But it’s Ike why the hell am I not having fun in df

[strong forum]

For me it's d3 since i wasn't allowed to play d2 as a kid

[toxic pewter]

I failed Spanish class because of Diablo 2 lmao

[strong forum]

And nowadays d2 just doesn't hold up whatsoever

[sick sentinel]

freeze paladin is overpowered in diablo 2

[torn gulch]

Because the way DF is structured is not fun to you and that is the way it is
This is why you play multiple games or do other things outside of gaming

[daring marlin]

I liked goofing around as a FoTH pally in D2.

mercin' fools

[toxic pewter]

Yeah, I guess it is me..

[daring marlin]

until the max ele resist druid or sorc popped up and ate my ass

LOL

[torn gulch]

To me DF is super fun

I play 6 tanks

I have a lot of fun in the game

my guild enjoys the game a lot

we did thousands of keys combined

CE

etc

[daring marlin]

I'm also having fun for the most part but I'm only really playing two characters right now

[toxic pewter]

Can’t deny I had fun but I guess I burnt myself out

[torn gulch]

as for casual content we deathroll on top of the zulzadar pyramid

[daring marlin]

Between working 45-50 hours and gym daily I just get a couple keys in a day.

[torn gulch]

works out well

I would like proper dragonriding races
with seasons and stuff

and grand prix

[strong forum]

A couple keys a day? Damn you must have alot of time on your hand

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

I consider myself having played alot when I did 4 keys a week

[sick sentinel]

never got the asxe top my knowledge

[strong forum]

Well yeah

I did grind 57 top in SL s3 or s4

To get a fucking shield

In 1 week

[daring marlin]

I'm pumped for D4

gimme

[strong forum]

Im so stocked

Especially after the already made changes

[daring marlin]

hell yeah dude

[strong forum]

Font change? Huge
Less backtracking? Huge
Speedbuff for gathering? Huge
No cast time for placing items? Huge

Balance changes? Huge

Farming massive Ws

[grizzled kite]

yeah? what are you stocking? beans?

[strong forum]

Something I can't say here

[pallid quiver]

he's stocking up on thermonuclear devices for when it comes time for him to take the world by storm

[strong forum]

[trim bay]

Random question. the bears in HoV start to slap around 10 or so stacks. just curious if this is normal. i kite after the initial threat gain for almost all of that pull.

[sick sentinel]

i just don't pull bears

[trim bay]

bears and yaks

pew pew

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i just pull the hallway

[trim bay]

u can skip alomost all the centre pulls

[sick sentinel]

might not always get entire hallway or all pulls 1 travel direction but it all gets killed normally

[trim bay]

apart from the side for pathing obviously

yea

just forgot how much the bears slapped

and its tyran lol

[sick sentinel]

i try to get the double guys after hyrja or after fenryr

cuz party has move speed

so it makes those 2 easier

[trim bay]

before the entrance to last 2 bosses? i always did them as well but they do waste time. invis skip/soothe or w/e is the go

[daring marlin]

bears are free count

[trim bay]

do they hurt but?

or am i a bitch

[daring marlin]

you just kite them

[trim bay]

yea mad

the yaks

are free

or w/e they are

[ruby locust]

I’ve been having issues in jade specifically the 3rd boss I feel defenseless most of the time I don’t understand it. I’ve only been back to prot warrior for about two weeks but did a 16 was breezing thru it no issues then that boss kinda crushes me like I was paper

[trim bay]

you need to off set your cds

at 70 it changes form.

wall and reflect

demo and reflect ( ithink its up)

or spell block

[fresh igloo]

There's a pinned post on this very topic, but it boils down to planning ahead for what you will do on each tankbuster.

[sick sentinel]

talk to your healer and explain how you intended to attempt to deal with 3 attacks off JSS

[trim bay]

rely on your self

pug healers are trash

[sick sentinel]

which ones you intend to use your cds and when you want them to use thiers

and then after like, 3 jss, chaos probablyl

[trim bay]

u can spec into wall

so you ahve 2 charges

but not worth

imo

[ruby locust]

See my main doesn’t have the issue on that boss so it threw me off on my warrior

[trim bay]

yea magic slapsss

i did a 20 earlier ill check logs but im sure i SW + SR, Demo + SR, Spell Block/SW +SR

[pallid quiver]

The real issue is that Prot War doesn't have too many decent ways to deal with the healing absorb, since it's easy enough to get through the hit when using CDs properly

IV's only up for every other

[trim bay]

im honestly ecstatic if no1 dies to the first boss

or doesnt kick when its cast on me

[ruby locust]

^^^^

[trim bay]

normally get 1 reflect

[sick sentinel]

i normally do spell block for first one, then SW, then reflect ip potions

[ruby locust]

I can tell you how happy I was to reflect a death blast yesterday .,.

[sick sentinel]

maybe its block and reflect for first ones, thats a short cd reflect

death blast dbm noise gives me anxiety

im like ah shit my mage is about to die

[ruby locust]

Well with as much rage as we spend you can usually get two walls in a fight maybe I was just off last night but in st I feel pretty rage starved

I have 24% haste so I didn’t think that be the issue maybe I was just playing bad last night

[trim bay]

this will sound weird but when i focus on that boss i am rage starved due to watching where the AOE shit is going. if i zug zug and have faith in Illidan all is fine

slept, i have not

[mighty valley]

if you're in a panic and slapping IP too much you'll start to feel starved

[pallid quiver]

Also, if you're using Barbaric Training, you'll definitely feel starved in ST if you press IP like, at all

[trim bay]

oh. last boss SBG. a ret pally died twice to the purple shit the skeletons leave behind. told me to stop moving the boss......

[pallid quiver]

assuming M+

[pallid quiver]

dps brain rot + pink class brain rot is one hell of a combo

[trim bay]

yea he was like 2.8k or some crap

i was like wtf you mean

he honestly meant stand still.

[ruby locust]

It’s just the 3rd boss of jade I can only assume that it’s just from watching the aoe like a hawk

[trim bay]

should we be using thunderlord? or every second demo shout wont be used with shield charge

[daring marlin]

Are you using spellblock? If you use it like 1-2 seconds before she casts kick it'll mitigate the next one too.

[ruby locust]

Didn’t know that good to know for future keys

I was just kinda using it as a cd

[trim bay]

its really good in temple

[warm plinth]

It's only the initial damage though. The DoT is still going to fuck you up

It's a healer mechanic frankly. Obviously you should use defensives and try to help with the absorb but there's literally no other damage on the fight so the healer just needs to pump you after each strike

[uneven mason]

If your healer is suss you can use LS to eat a chunk of the healing absorb if you hit it just after,

[gloomy vortex]

RLP Blazehoof, how to survive as prot warrior with the searing wounds that is applied through searing blows?

rotating my cooldowns works for the first couple but keep dying at 1/4 health of boss

[pallid quiver]

"Literally no other damage"
Let me introduce you to the crew, pug hunter, pug mage, and pug rogue

the last one may seem out of place, but they're the player who just goes "lmao i'll just veil it" to everything

even if veil isn't available

[warm plinth]

what is veil?

[pallid quiver]

is it not veil

the magic immune thingy

[warm plinth]

cloak of shadows

[pallid quiver]

god dammit

i always remember it as veil of shadows

it sounds better to me, tbh

[warm plinth]

1/4 health of the bar is out of the dangerous phase and into the dragon phase though?

[pallid quiver]

That was about RLP

[warm plinth]

ohhh

[pallid quiver]

at any rate

[pallid quiver]

Rotate better/Dwarf lmao/Evoker lmao, really

[gloomy vortex]

2nd boss not final

[warm plinth]

nah I thought you were still talking about TJS

[pallid quiver]

That one's actually a bit hard since the healer does have other things to heal than just you

and you can't even spell block any of it

just parry it smh

[gloomy vortex]

what would your rotation be?

[fresh igloo]

@gloomy vortex pool rage prior for fat IP going in to searing blows. Pop shield wall/some big CD after it stacks up. It's a firy bleed, so you need to mitigate the trailing damage ticks more than just the initial hit.

[pallid quiver]

IIRC, you should be able to have SW up every other or close to when playing well with Imp Wall, so you want to cycle between SW and whatever other defensives you have, taking advantage of times that Demo Shout happens to be up

Also, if you can, keep track of stacks; if you do parry one of the searing blows, it hurts a hell of a lot less

[fresh igloo]

Don't forget spell reflect is a magic damage mitigate even if it doesn't reflect

[pallid quiver]

that does nothing

It's a bleed

[fresh igloo]

Jump in to defensive stance as well

[pallid quiver]

Do also note that if you are taking Spell Block for RLP, it does nothing against any of the boss proper's abilities; it only has uses on the add she spawns

So you can use Spell Block and SR to help slow down the damage intake from those to help your healer out

[fresh igloo]

Ah fuck you're right, I always forget it counts as physical damage

[pallid quiver]

Bleeds are Prot War's specific weakness, since it's the only damage type we don't actually have a solid response for, so you likely will just straight need some help from the Healer (and the DPS to not take damage from stupid)

Also, do remember DPS Evokers also can grab the bleed cleanse at nearly no cost, so it's not too unfair to ask them to help with the bleed cleanse

[gloomy vortex]

ok and iis it worth specing into that bleed removal?

[strong forum]

we dont have a bleed removal on talent tree

[pallid quiver]

For Evokers? Yeah, it's one of the few things in the entire game that removes bleeds

For us? nah we ain't got that

[gloomy vortex]

oh it use to be right? but now it's poison

[pallid quiver]

Our Kyrian phial pretender doesn't clear bleeds no more

[strong forum]

it was never bleed on actual launch

only on beta it had bleed

for like a week

[gloomy vortex]

ah ok

[pallid quiver]

I assume that even was just from them copy pasting phial's effect over

[gloomy vortex]

cause i have done 2 x 20's and people left on this boss

[strong forum]

nah it was intended, but clearly way too strong

[pallid quiver]

that's whack

[sick sentinel]

dwarve is literal pay to win in that regard but not worth to cause a riot about

[strong forum]

Not relevant enough for 99.9% of people

Cuz p2w in wow doesn't give you any advantages over anyone else cuz player and group skill is vastly more impactful

P2W is a problem when it actually let's you beat others specifically cuz you paid

[grizzled kite]

Pull wolves and just do rock trick 🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

Rough week to do that with quaking. Same with the pole.

[grizzled kite]

We've sucessfully timed it pretty good consistently but yeah I guess so

[warm plinth]

I just do bears...like it's easy to kite them with the speed buff idk

[trim bay]

Every time I do that place some big brain changes the route. I'm flex. Worked good if everyone is tracking the invis/soothe/shroud skip

[sick sentinel]

i just think that as far as tank racials go, dwarf has to be the best, or very close to best

on demand, the guy that is supposed to regularly take dmg can just remove dmg every few minutes + armor or main stat, cant lose

[urban portal]

Yeah

Rare yogi w

[round pendant]

Other than DK, what are some good classes for NO final boss?

[daring marlin]

warlock

...boomie?

spriest

literally any class that can pump without dying

:^)

[ornate thunder]

Just take the aoe silence if you want to grip them all in easy

[rigid sigil]

any tank come +18 SBG

i wanna +3

[round pendant]

ez

why do people not pull the construct with these

it's free

[pallid quiver]

if people tunnel vision off the construct, they have problems

But in most like, actual proper groups, that is in fact what is done

[slim dove]

if my tank solo pulls that construct I usually just assume the runs gonna be a dud

[pallid quiver]

I generally decide if I'm going to solo pull it by the time I get up the stairs

that's assuming i don't just leave, because it shouldn't take a minute to get up those first god damn stairs

[daring marlin]

lol

I had a catalyst quest from like 4 weeks ago on my Warlock completed

oops

[round pendant]

2500 achieved

Next season 3k

[grizzled kite]

let's go!

[rigid sigil]

oy

[undone verge]

rasz dead on my screen

p2.5 wipes

[oblique kayak]

can’t we just ban those lfg post in this channel?

[undone verge]

they are banned

[strong forum]

Well they're supposed to go to #promotion

[undone verge]

did someone lfg in here again?

[lilac bloom]

I'm having problem with liu flameheart on temple of the serpent doing mythic 18 on tyranical during the 2nd transformation she does

any tips on how to tank the damage? everytime i do spell reflect on the serpent strike then go straight to serpent kick when i move out of it.. i get hit hard and sometimes one shot

because after spell reflect ignore pain.. i'm still taking big after how to mitigate that

[amber siren]

pins has a good write up

[forest fern]

Reflect one, shield wall one, spell block one, spell reflect another, use potion and last stand if the ticks get hairy(IV also). If the group takes longer than 4 to get out of that phase, their fault no longer your problem

[amber siren]

On a +18 four is enough, but you'll be getting more on higher keys

[lilac bloom]

right.. well.. problem is the spell reflect followed up with a melee hit

that killed me instantly

i use ignore pain on that 2

[amber siren]

Did you check the pin?

[lilac bloom]

yah i saw the pin.. the serpent strike is reflectable

but after that there's this damage right after i can't take

[amber siren]

Serpent jade strike isn't. It's just the 20% DR you're using SR for.

[forest fern]

Make sure also you and your healer must always run out on the same half of the room, if you are on opposite sides they can lose range for a moment

[lilac bloom]

probably thats why

i ran out.. and my healer is away.. from e

[forest fern]

As Rubin said also, the hit sucks but it’s the dot after that’s doing the most to you, hence healer needs in range

[lilac bloom]

i see

so.. serpent strike is't reflectable so i have to use ignore shield block

but if that doesn't work followed up with sheild wall and last stand

damn

why they have to make it hit so hard

but after the serpent strike u have to move out of the ring..right? to avoid that green thing on the floor

then rush to the middle.. i've been told to tank in the middle.. and iheard stuff about tanking to the side

[forest fern]

Yes move out but remember as soon as the fire starts moving away from her it’s safe to charge back in and start mitigating again

Just don’t charge through any on you way back in 🙂

[lilac bloom]

i dont know why when i move out.. i'm not getting healed.. and thats what got me

[forest fern]

The healer needs to be bombing you the issue is the first 3 seconds after the hit you whole group is in motion getting to their safe area. In other words that moment is the danger point until the healer can plant their feet to dump their powerful stuff on you

[lilac bloom]

oh ok.. well then

the healer wasn't doing the job

or i'm not giving time for healer to do their thing

[forest fern]

The hit and the first 3 seconds are mostly your job, the next 3-5 after that is theirs. If you dps are taking any fire hits also the healer should let them die and save you, but that counterintuitive when watching some party frames.

[lilac bloom]

ok..

i guess i just have to live through..

[forest fern]

Honestly any dps that get fire wave hit shouldn’t get anything beyond their own defensive. If your take a fire wave it’s probably over though 🙂

[lilac bloom]

yah i try not to .. thats the thing when i move away.. but somehow.. it just spawns wherever i go

[forest fern]

So don’t take a fire wave ever, use a big thing for every strike, make sure the healer is on your side of the room

[lilac bloom]

or i jump to the healer

that time healer wasn't on my side.. ill keep a look out for that

[forest fern]

Yeah it’s a problem, if you go the minimum range out it’s harder to avoid. If you got even further to be safe, death from the strike is higher chance

As a warrior you can return faster than most at least

Remember rallying cry in this case is even a defensive that can help, even if it’s group related for everyone that moment is the only danger parts

[lilac bloom]

The I will try that

[edgy locust]

that might be a dumb question but any1 knows what our 4set does ?

i dont get it :P

[warm plinth]

Like, from this tier?

[forest fern]

It’s the same as the ignore pain talent just weaker

[strong forum]

not the same

[undone verge]

you press revenge, you get 4 seconds of passive dmg and dmg reduction, then during these 4 seconds 10% or whatever it is of the dmg gives you Ignore pain buffs value. Next tier, Shield slam does more dmg and reduces the cd of LS by a second, then, after last stand ends, shield slam turns into a frontal aoe cone for 10 seconds, and grants passive dmg reduction on mobs hit

[strong forum]

it grants you Ignore Pain

while the talent only works when IP is active

[strong forum]

has to be said that the dmg of the aoe cone of Shield slam is incredibly weak and pretty much entirely irrelevant

[edgy locust]

yes

[edgy locust]

tysm

[edgy locust]

can u like spam revenger and get ip ?

or it has like some sort of cd

[strong forum]

It applies to all dmg you deal while the buff is active

Not just revenge

But yes, if you do alot of dmg while the buff is active you get alot of IP from it. It's practically leech but as absorb

If then talent into brutal vitality, you get even more absorb leech

[dusky sentinel]

Afternoon peeps. Regarding Spell block. I see Skillsclap is running it. Is it very valuable in high keys or whats the deal?

[jagged pier]

its good in certain places as it makes u mitigate spells as if your blocking them

so in some dungeons its really strong in others not so much

[potent gulch]

TJS is perfect for spell block

[sick sentinel]

spell block has use in every dungeon

but, its not always GOOD in every dungeon

because, it simply reads "live through magic damage targeted at you easier" doesn't read in any capacity "increases damage" and if you don't need to "live longer through magic dmg" or you don't get many chances to use it.... its now useless, its also good in RLP and a few others

[dusky sentinel]

Yeah. Thats why I asked about higher keys. Cause in 17 and downs the self healing and shield block makes survivability a joke.

[strong forum]

cuz its 17s

[sick sentinel]

well, what % of the wow population does 20's on time

1%? Kappa no probably more like 5-10% realistically?

[strong forum]

~10%

[sick sentinel]

yeah, its just such a small fragment of the players

[strong forum]

i mean youre already top 40% if you only do +5s

[sick sentinel]

that i can't even beclose enough to getting mad that somones doing 20's and im not even if i said i might do them if they give gear, which they do now.

[strong forum]

just touching m+ places you already in like top 50% of wow

[sick sentinel]

yeah, and then i turn around and run pretty much only SBG and hov

so im in like the bottom 50% of those guys

[strong forum]

nah

you got ksm

thats top 10%

[sick sentinel]

if i was going big dick, i would want to get the mythic appearance full set and thunder effect

[strong forum]

actually no KSM is top 25%

[sick sentinel]

cuz its a more neutral color looks like rocks, has thunder we are about thunder, it all fits well in my head

[strong forum]

i forgot that 2.5k is KSH

[jagged pier]

whats KSM again?

[strong forum]

2k

[sick sentinel]

15's about

[sour meadow]

I always wondered how ppl struggle for ksh or ksm

Unless u are new In the game

[blazing condor]

ppl dont know the dgs or their class or their role or their spec or their

[crude notch]

Or they cba

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c

taking spell block for 16s or 17's or whatever the guy earlier was saying

that is precisely this video

[strong forum]

everybody is different

i got a friend whos a literal brainiac but struggles with reaction time and hand eye coordination

he knows the theory but absolutely cant set it into practice

doesnt have quick decision making skills

[sick sentinel]

nerve that runs to my right hand pointer finger is geniuly fucked

and wrist is too

it will be shot in 10 20 years from now

[ornate dune]

Im new to tanking, just wanna know some of your guys action bars and the most pressed buttons as a prot warrior

[strong forum]

shield slam, revenge, ignore pain and thunderclap

are your most pressed buttons

followed by shield block

those buttons alone make up for roughly 50-60 out of 75-80 casts per minute

[gloomy vortex]

I can’t get above 20’s right now, groups always disband and I ask if it’s me but most of the time it’s healer or dps… not sure what more I can do and im sitting on 2250 rating.

[strong forum]

m+ is a can of worms

its rarely 1 singular reason

like ive depleted 14s because the healer just couldnt keep the dps alive

[gloomy vortex]

Do I just keep spamming to try and do them or give up for this tier.. thinking I cba tbh

[strong forum]

so i had to solo every boss

[strong forum]

entirely up to you, if you think its worth to do the grind and want to, do it

its a game

nobody cares if you get KSM or KSH but you yourself

i myself absolutely dont give 2 shits about score cuz its not representative of anything besides "yeah this guy played alot of keys alright"

[gloomy vortex]

I dislike to give up but I don’t have a lot of time.. like I would like to do 23/25’s but if it’s anything like 18-20’s then I don’t lol

[strong forum]

cant make that decision for you

but i can tell you that much, if want to do 23-25s but dont know why your 18-20s are failing then you got alot to practice and learn

[daring marlin]

facts

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[cerulean tusk]

Seeing ppl struggle doing 20s, when I do them on my 395 alts in the pug world, makes me wonder thoughts

[strong forum]

it do be like that

[cerulean tusk]

I am sorry

Though protip: don't bring the 3.4k score guy. He will leave after 1 pull.
Invite the 'done all 19 in time' guy. And avoid at all costs the 'I am 2.7 - but all my keys are failed'.

[strong forum]

sounds about right

[uneven mason]

You don't get to 3.4 by slumming with scrubs

[cerulean tusk]

Ya shouldn't sign up for scrubkey, if you don't wanna scrub

[strong forum]

high rio people have an ego

[cerulean tusk]

That attitude is the worst

[strong forum]

more often than not

but pugging in itself is just rough

everybody is a wildcard

the safest bets are non-fotm class players with alright/high score

[cerulean tusk]

Just avoid the ones I stated, and it is quite stable. Safe bets ftw

Also, avoid certain servers, just sayin

[strong forum]

ive not pugged enough to know about any servers

[shell mortar]

What the hell are these pro tips

[strong forum]

pugged like 10 keys (outside of super meme valor farm keys) in the last 2 xpacs combined

[shell mortar]

High or low rio doesn't matter

They're still the same people, some just play more/better

Literally a coinflip what you get in pugs

[cerulean tusk]

There are patterns love

[shell mortar]

Yeah, a pattern that I see - people who call me love are dog

[cerulean tusk]

Found the leaver guy

[shell mortar]

"Avoid certain servers" just breeds toxicity. Some guys have terrible english but doesn't mean they're gonna be worse/better than other players

Just tougher communication

And what the hell are scrub keys

Why are you teaching people toxic behaviour

[cerulean tusk]

Scrub keys, are keys with scrubs. Doctors in training, or noobs

I say avoid the pro wannabe doctors tho

[shell mortar]

Yeah and people who call others noobs/scrubs are definitely NOT the problem

[cerulean tusk]

Ain't a problem at all, no. Best players to play with are the ones that come to term with those terms

Know your standing, play and improve

[slim dove]

dont tell this to my buddie that spent 8 hours ripping hov 21 keys last week just to finally time one for that sick sick +8 io

[cerulean tusk]

Respect for the weekly grind

[slim dove]

its beyond irritating cuz when i play with him on my rdruid this dude will press wall on the first screech from crawth

then die on 4th and complain on disc

BRO HOW ARE YOU 2850

[shell mortar]

Get off your high horse. "Know your standing" as if you're better

Damn pos

[cerulean tusk]

I said no such thing? You just mad at strawmen

Well, you should know where you are tho. Ok.

Fine

If you are new, push upwards and play with similar or above to learn. That is how you gradually improve

Don't play with 3.4 or the 2.7 all grey, if you want to time your 20. Play with Mr 19/20s in time

If you want to push to 3.4, don't join groups with 2k ppl, or scrubs

[mortal brook]

Do warriors make bad businessmen cuz they charge too much?

[cerulean tusk]

[daring marlin]

🐈‍⬛

[grim pilot]

not really, I went av 23 with 3.4k guy - we wiped on 2nd boss and everybody left, he was the last one to leave.

[cerulean tusk]

Ya found an exception, nice

Maybe you were content for his stream
I am such a good guy, please remember to like, follow and subscribe

[strong forum]

Aight das a bit tossic

[grim pilot]

or just he was a nice guy kekw

[cerulean tusk]

I been thought by the media there are no nice guys

[shell mortar]

Have you been hurt by a good player?

Sucks to suck

Dunno, have only met about 4 high rated players who are toxic

Like, actually toxic

There's plenty of toxic people in between high and mid rated tho

[cerulean tusk]

Depends, if I do 23-25 all chill. Do 20, they leave and be salty.

Sure, ppl are ppl. But general rule of thumb is generic

[shell mortar]

No

That seems like a you issue

[daring marlin]

gonna have to disagree here chief

Every 23+ key I've had depleted people are like "gg" or "nice try"

whereas in the 20-21s earlier people were raging hard

[shell mortar]

We're specifically talking about 3.4k people going into 20s

Or just lower keys in general

I agree that in 20-22s people are generally a lot more toxic

And have big egos

I just have an issue with the statement "high rio players are toxic ragequitters"

[daring marlin]

That assertion was certainly false.

[cerulean tusk]

I won't back down from my point, put out the two extreme outliers and said go for the middle route for stability. I still stand by that to the end

[cerulean tusk]

[sick sentinel]

Hey was trying to see here if I could get some help please!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kPcmwQ34yfpGKLb2#fight=last&type=casts&source=2&start=821452&end=3091510

Is there a way to see challenging shout casts?

[upper crow]

you have disrupting shout talented, so it'll show as that one

[sick sentinel]

Does disrupting shout aoe taunt too or nah

[upper crow]

yes

[strong forum]

youre pretty much underusing every single button

youre not prioritising shield slam enough

also doesnt help the fact that half of the log is broken

when im checking other logs it looks a bit better but youre still underusing your buttons

youre overcapping like 3% rage, goal should be <1%, blocked hits are fine, talents are fine

generally its just not pressing enough buttons, missing inputs here and there

i also heavily recommend not playing the absorb ring combo that you played in the linked log

for example in SMBG these are your casts per minute

https://i.imgur.com/CfsNUHO.png

now if we compare them to my casts in smbg

you can see a clear difference

i used 33 more shield slams more despite my key being 3min shorter, which in turn means more revenges/ignore pains/cooldowns to be used to further generate more rage

pwar itself is a rage feedback loop machine, the more you pump into it the more you get out of it

which is also reflected in the healing breakdown for example, both my indomitable and leech do almost twice as much healing compared to yours, which stem from dmg output and rage generation

altho that might be due to the fact that your healer is a resto druid which is keeping you topped 24/7 so that point itself is not really relevant, just looked like an odd healing breakdown where IP is a bit too dominant compared to the rest

[woeful bramble]

For the chest from timewalk should i loot as prot, arms or fury?

[strong forum]

prot unless you want grieftorch

[woeful bramble]

Is it possible to open grieftorch?

[strong forum]

you can loot any item from the raid

hunters can get razsa bow for example, evokers the staff

etc etc

literally any

[tame jasper]

yes got 2 torches in the last two weeks from the weekly bag

[strong forum]

Your wife is being hunted?

[woeful bramble]

Didndy get any :p

[strong forum]

Well yeah chance is like... What 2%?

[uneven mason]

Yup, My wife's hunter got it, rest of her gear was garbo

[woeful bramble]

So is it worth spec to arms or stay prot ? Haha

[strong forum]

Just stay prot unless you want to run into danger of getting an entirely useless item

Or if you legit need nothing from the raid besides grieftorch, then go arms

[woeful bramble]

Ok got it!!

[sick sentinel]

bus driver was not a dick head to me today thank fuck

went to walmart earlier lose my phone somewhere see him next time he comes to my stop and "is this yours?" lets me go back home don't have a bonus quest to do today now

not every one out there is an evil clown

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

Press F to thank the busdriver

[sick sentinel]

almost every time

just like say hello enter group and GG when complete

[daring marlin]

Sure hope S3 has Tol Dagor.

I wanna do 50 TD runs week 1 for fuse on my lock

[modern brook]

My 412 warlock still has a 359 tw trinket :^)

[strong forum]

I forced myself to do trading post today cuz fomo

[modern brook]

Fomo on what lmao

[strong forum]

The weapons

For reaching 1k points

Need my tmog

[uneven mason]

Can't wait to do all 12 months of the Tendies only toi find out that Warder outfit is for night elven woman only

[strong forum]

Not entirely unlikely

[modern brook]

I actually do not know what these are.

[strong forum]

But I can't wait to see that trading post will stop giving out new shit after 6 months and just recycles previous stuff until next xpac

[strong forum]

You know what trading post is ye?

[uneven mason]

I think they'll be like "This month on the trading post for 1000tendies, Warrior Tier 3

and watch everyone who dropped million gold on the BMAH flip their desks

[strong forum]

The battle pass like thing? That changes on a monthly basis, you can earn 1k a month coins for doing random shit, which you can spend. If you do reach 1k points you get the months reward

[uneven mason]

the trading post would be a perfect spot for upressed gear from old stuff.

"Battle Pass"

[strong forum]

That'd be so cringe

[modern brook]

Lmao yes sorry I meant the 1k reward, I thought it was the jester

[uneven mason]

that was last month

[strong forum]

That was last month

[modern brook]

Oh

[uneven mason]

this month are some nightelf looking swords

[strong forum]

This month is 2 1h swords

Unique ones obv

[daring marlin]

I'm glad getting 1k point is as easy as it is

[strong forum]

Took me 30 quests and 25 raidboss kills

When you don't actively play it's a daunting task

[sick sentinel]

i just do whatever to get it

normally world quest or mythic +

[woeful bramble]

do we use ww at all?? o remove it from action bar?

[sick sentinel]

never ever

revenge is better in literal all ways except cosmetic and sound

[woeful bramble]

ok i got it!! also this is my action bar should i move something in the main bar so i can use it more??

[strong forum]

That's entirely up to you

Keybinds and Action bars are every bodies own demon setup

It grows naturally

But you should look into trying to get more keybinds

You're missing about 20 keybinds there

[uneven mason]

where does your KB hand rest?

[woeful bramble]

i knoww

i want to move it at my main bar 😛

dont judge me i cant find place to put it

[uneven mason]

because you have frequently used abilities really far away from the usual spot of WSAD.

where the fuck is SHIELD BLOCK

[woeful bramble]

at my mouse wheel

[uneven mason]

ah ok I see it now

[woeful bramble]

so i can press it easier

[uneven mason]

that's a good plan

is X an easy button for you to press a lot

[woeful bramble]

also ignore pain is at my 3 button so i can use it more when i need it but dunno! also KB is far away and dunno where to put it

yeah it is at good spot for me

my finger goes easy on X

[daring marlin]

Yeesh. Guess the month break I took was good for me then. lol

[strong forum]

Im like on month 2

Of my break

And will continue for a good while unless s2 loot whoring gets me again

[daring marlin]

hahaha

[strong forum]

I legit mainly just play to parse and loot at this point

[daring marlin]

but then D4 drops a month later and you're like "dasvidanya!"

[strong forum]

You mean 2 weeks later

No wait 3 weeks

[daring marlin]

yeah yeah

[strong forum]

Downtime between 10.1 and season launch is only 1 week now

[daring marlin]

9th to the 2nd

[strong forum]

Not 2

[daring marlin]

I think

D4 waiting room

[strong forum]

Literally

[woeful bramble]

just opened the broodsword leginoaire pavise from the chest! i guess i was lucky af right?

[strong forum]

pmuch the best thing you coulda gotten defensively

[woeful bramble]

so i guess i can use my sparks at lariat and a weapon or belt

[sick sentinel]

weapon shield 2 choice embelishments food

then others

[woeful bramble]

isnt lariat first priority?

[cloud umbra]

Shield should be. More block

[sick sentinel]

if you won't be getting a 418 or better shield then shield first

cuz, the entire spec revolves soley around the numbers in that slot

[strong forum]

He just got 418 shield from TW

So yeh next choice is weapon + belt

Or weapon + whatever embellish you like

[sick sentinel]

probably weapon lariat, he seems intent on making that one

i wont stop him

[woeful bramble]

411 to be honest! it is stil good right? so no worries gettigng the 418 crafted one

[strong forum]

Huh

Oh well

Then craft shield

It does make quite a difference

[sick sentinel]

ya,

playing world of tanks has lead me to realize there is a massive difference between a 70 80 90 and 100 mm guns, which is the anecdote id use here

bigger number so its better tldr

[woeful bramble]

oh ok then i should go for shield! i was lucky that i got it but not lucky to keep it haha

and i guess i craft shield with embelishment?

[sick sentinel]

probably don't want to unless you can't make 418's

its a hold me over thing at best, it's what im currently doing but i wouldn't exactly reccomend it

[strong forum]

Doesnt matter

[sick sentinel]

cuz, u will have to recraft it after

[strong forum]

You're better off not using the embellished shield

[sick sentinel]

i got crafted normal shield with an embellishment item on it. but i wouldnt reccomend adding the item embellishment

[woeful bramble]

Ok i got it! And which items should have embellishment?

[heavy temple]

Is this sth that should happen on Ras M?

no clue why i got hit twice

[strong forum]

Whichever you like

They're all within 1% power gain

Doesn't really matter which one, vers bracers are popular, fire belt is popular

But new patch is in 3 weeks anyway and new season in 4 weeks

Stuff won't matter as much

[heavy temple]

Maybe I'm stupid, but i do not understand why i get hit twice

[woeful bramble]

I got it!! At the new patch can we recraft our crafted gear so it will be the max ilvl at 10.1?

[grim pilot]

isn't it physical and nature damage?

[strong forum]

I've not done rasz mythic so I can't say

And too lazy to check logs of others

But that's what I would do in your case

Check a kill log of sense or jakey

And their dmg taken from jaws

[warm plinth]

Once you get all the crests and new sparks required, yes

[uncut notch]

is it just me that keeps casting shield charge and it just not doing anything, its consumed but i dont get the s.block etc

[warm plinth]

Do you have logs showing that?

[uncut notch]

Its happening like right now, on sennarth M prog

[warm plinth]

Are you running the talent that provides those things?

[uncut notch]

I press charge and nothing happens

no actual charge either

[warm plinth]

So you press shield charge, it goes on CD, but it doesn't move you or do anything else?

[uncut notch]

I'm pressing charge to pull

and its doing nothing

and i have to then run in and shield slam to get aggro

[sick sentinel]

Hello all I’m new to prot warrior and wanting to learn the rotations I have my build set up for dungeons and mythic plus

[twin bramble]

is it worth crafting all of these this late into a season? for example, will they be on par with M+ rewards with new upgrading currency in 10.1?

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't need to be the sword

any 1 hand that has str primary

[steel mauve]

it wouldnt show up on logs if you were to pull with it, as you would have to press it before combat is initiated, and logs wont record until the first hit, i dont shield charge on pull so idk how it works with a non movable boss hanging over a ledge, but i pull with regular charge and it works for me, and shield charge works mid combat, so idk

[twin bramble]

thx, but worth investing in still, or will it just be replaced?

[uncut notch]

ty

[sick sentinel]

way i understand it is season 1 items you can use the new crests on

[twin bramble]

ty

[torn gulch]

i mean you'll not replace it you'll upgrade it

[warm plinth]

It really doesn't make any difference other than a few mats if you recraft spark items from S1 or make a new one from S2. To my knowledge, they require the same in terms of crests/spark regardless, so you're not saving much. I would only make S1 items at this point if you're actually able to get an upgrade out of it (e.g. if you actually do high enough shit to get 418 items)

[coral crest]

Which is the best option for a trinket Decoration of flame 402 or All totem of the master 382

[modest solar]

Should you recraft shield or weapon to 418?

same ilvl atm

[warm plinth]

shield first then weapon

[warm plinth]

All-totem probably but you need to get better trinkets sir

All-totem is good but that's hella low ilevel lol

(I'm assuming for keys though; in raid deco is probably better)

[coral crest]

I have icon 408

[coral crest]

and yeah is for keys

[sick sentinel]

This is the rotation I have so far lvl 62 prot warrior

Anything I need to change

[warm plinth]

Take whirlwind and slam off your bar

Don't talent into bitter immunity

Other than that, I think you'll probably end up having to move a lot of that stuff around because you have CDs on easy buttons and very commonly pressed abilities on harder buttons

[sick sentinel]

yah, taking bitter immunity as dwarf is no

[sick sentinel]

👍

[warm plinth]

Taking bitter immunity at all is no. The only dangerous shit that we need to remove is bleeds, and bitter doesn't remove bleeds

[sick sentinel]

immunity doesn't cover bleed in most games

certainly not d2

Could y’all show me what my rotation should look like with dwarf

bleed always dangerous regardless the game

[warm plinth]

Race doesn't change rotation

[daring marlin]

50 16+ dungeons later

[warm plinth]

Just that your racial can be used to remove bleeds, which are pretty prevalent in the current season as tankbusters in M+

[daring marlin]

I wish I would've played my Warlock earlier. Destro big slapper atm.

[warm plinth]

But your basic rotation is, maintain shield block, use all offensive CDs on CD, and then SS>TC>Revenge. Use IP to dump rage when you can't prevent overcapping with Revenge alone.

Yeah destro is just fun too

Chaos Bolt is one of the most visually satisfying buttons in the game, the aoe rotation is very simple

[daring marlin]

I'm just gonna upgrade all storm gear to 395, turn it into tier and wait for 10.1.

For sure. Especially when they changed the casting animation

Like you're pulling the fel energy out of the ground

savage

[warm plinth]

yeah

We love sending howling meatballs at enemies

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

what are the top execute specs

cuz there is that one boss first boss in mythic+ pool and he starts off in execute range

i think i can see more players having execute based builds for that dungeon

[warm plinth]

I don't think that will be the case considering there's like, the rest of the dungeon too.