protection

[crude notch]

Already

[warm plinth]

I do not laugh at Mwahi for being bald because a.) I'm pretty sure he shaves it, and b.) I'm half bald myself

[sick sentinel]

take the entire sentence structure and referse it and then also add male and female

[crude notch]

And he's hot.

[warm plinth]

He is cute af, it's true

[crude notch]

It's its greatest feature.

[warm plinth]

Jordan why are you up so late cutie, or are you just up early?

[crude notch]

Sorry Mwahi, I just called you an it.

[sick sentinel]

i shave my head and beard but for different reasons

[crude notch]

This is like mid-afternoon for my biological clock.

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, you work nights too don't you

[ionic fern]

What on earth am i reading.

[crude notch]

Yeppers.

Fri, Sat, Sun nights.

Off 4 days a week nowadays.

[warm plinth]

The awfulness beauty of the English language.

Mixed in with a little bit of Mwahi simping

[crude notch]

Happy afternoon!

[ionic fern]

Happy..evening?

[ionic fern]

Ok.

Good morning.

[crude notch]

Wait are you NA or EU?

[ionic fern]

Me?

EU.

[crude notch]

Okay I wasn't crazy

[ionic fern]

Ghash is NA.

I think?

[warm plinth]

I am indeed

[crude notch]

I was right by my original statement.

[warm plinth]

I think I'm doing my BM hunter's stats properly

[crude notch]

Is there a committee I have to stand in front of to get my name nickname changed?

[sick sentinel]

i thought it was supposed to be good evening

[crude notch]

HAPPY CHRISTMAS

[warm plinth]

Nah they actually enabled it a while back

Change at will

[crude notch]

Wait

I guess it's been so long since I've tried.

[warm plinth]

When I changed it to this, we couldn't yet

Mwahi had to do it for me

[crude notch]

Now to get Acherus to change my name.

[warm plinth]

Wait Acherus doesn't let you change your nickname?

[sick sentinel]

just stop being poor and buy nitro

[crude notch]

Nitro has nothing to do with it.

[warm plinth]

What does Nitro have to do with anything

[crude notch]

It's decided by the server.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, being able to change your nickname is a server permission. They can restrict you from doing it so people don't name themselves dumb shit

[crude notch]

And trust me I'd swap my handle to just Jordan but there's apparently more than 9999 accounts with it.

[crude notch]

Yeah imagine naming yourself dumb shit.

[sick sentinel]

god, whats wrong with you guys are you all thousandaires or hundred aires or maybe multiple dollar aires

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like Stop Using Barbaric Training

How stupid

[crude notch]

yogi

[warm plinth]

yogi what are you talking about man 😂

[sick sentinel]

you just pay the nitro and rhats it, that ones half serious half joke

[crude notch]

Nitro doesn't let you change your name on every server.

[sick sentinel]

hes taliing abiut chaning name right

[warm plinth]

Not your username

Your nickname

in the server

Notice my Discord name is still Ghash

[crude notch]

nickname permissions in servers is determined by the server.

[ionic fern]

GhAsh you're beautiful.

Was it a good pun?

[warm plinth]

I have the $10 Nitro and I was not able to change my name until Mwahi did it for me (until after that when they enabled it)

[sick sentinel]

with nitro every server you can have differnt user name i could be yog here, death on death knight server

[crude notch]

No.

[warm plinth]

Nope, it's still a nickname

[sick sentinel]

oh, well that kinda sucks you coudldnt but im not sure why they cock blockrd u

[warm plinth]

It has been disabled ever since I joined this server until a couple months ago

[warm plinth]

I had them change it back in Legion too because my warrior's name was Stonehearth

or no

I think I was Worldcrusher actually

because that was my monk's name

[crude notch]

I did almost have an embarrassing moment where I was going to beg on my hands and knees to get Mwahi to change my name.

Thankfully Ghash helped me dodge that bullet.

[warm plinth]

I think I'm missing the pun

Actually I had asked him to change it to something else not long ago and he was like just do it yourself. I hadn't noticed they enabled it yet

[sick sentinel]

death, as in from i am death incarnate, was always a super edgy name so i changed nickname to yogi after my nieghbour call his cat boo boo

always from many years been deathsomething typically deathray as in like a laser pistol turned to 11

[warm plinth]

yogi you're something else man

[crude notch]

I think you're still confused by the whole nickname versus handle thing yogi.

@strong forum what build you playing?

[sick sentinel]

i mean probably

ive been in so many chat rooms its unreal

everything is a blur

[crude notch]

wait

did they fix the bug from winter pfps

nice

[sick sentinel]

cuz i might be gettting user name and nickname confused and not giving a shit lol

[warm plinth]

Username is like, what your name is in the bottom left corner of Discord

So like even though my name here is Stop Using Barbaric Training, it still shows this in the bottom left corner:

[crude notch]

I thought you used the same cursor changer as me then I just realized my mouse was over your picture, god i'm stupid.

[warm plinth]

lmaooo

[sick sentinel]

right i get that, i just, i never chsnge my nickname

[warm plinth]

I have been Ghash since vanilla so it's kind of stuck with me. I don't really go by it anywhere anymore though

[sick sentinel]

i change my username was last time i did it

well, ive been death ever since runescape

[crude notch]

only the OGs still call you ghash

[warm plinth]

yep

[sick sentinel]

i had to come up with a name

[warm plinth]

a lot of people in here call me Ghash but that's just because no one wants to type out Stop Using Barbaric Training every time

[sick sentinel]

it made me get a name so i had to put sometging in, then it stuck

[crude notch]

Stop Using Barbaric Training, you make a good point.

[warm plinth]

[crude notch]

there's a cheat though

[sick sentinel]

deathray44 my wow account name is same as my og runescape account

[crude notch]

Wait there isn't, I'm screwed gg go next

I tried to do shift click and delete the @

[warm plinth]

Well now I have your username, next stop, password

Oh lol

[crude notch]

Old Gallywix tech

[sick sentinel]

id br named someyhing completely different if i never stsrted rs

or not yogi if i didnt pive bsside guy i do

[crude notch]

@warm plinth - Tank
@crude notch@crude notch- DPS
@crude notch - Healer

[warm plinth]

lolol

PREFIRE

Oh

You're the ad

nvm

I do not have a cool story for my name. I literally created it out of thin air.

[crude notch]

You're the ad you can say whatever you want

[sick sentinel]

still need my tablet and phone lol

[warm plinth]

I very rarely name anything after other things. I use shit for inspiration sometimes but I generally make up all of my names

[sick sentinel]

dont got no gold on wow anyways nothing worth stealin

wow character names for me is dice until one i like

[warm plinth]

Like all of these except a handful are made up

[ionic fern]

Ghosh,you're beautiful!

[warm plinth]

Oh lol

[crude notch]

Locks are so dumb you have two with the name

[warm plinth]

The number of times people have said Gnash or G-hash since I had this name though

Yep

One horde, one alliance

So actually I was logging on to the alliance one to help someone with something, but I apparently had deleted it at one point. And the name she had was taken, so I just did that because I didn't want to sit there and come up with a new name.

[crude notch]

I should return to my Banshee handle.

[sick sentinel]

i gotta delete some of my spare dks, but have one of just about everything horde or alliance now

[crude notch]

I've done keys with 4 of those toons.

[warm plinth]

I've had to explain to so many people that my monk is not named for Sylvanas.

[strong forum]

in poe? ofc Boneshatter

[crude notch]

Yeah that's the thing if I go back to Banshee people will just assume it's origin is Sylvanas related.

[crude notch]

BONE ZONE!

[warm plinth]

Do I be irresponsible and get pizza or do I be responsible and go straight to bed :think:

[sick sentinel]

poe isnt as good as ppl say it is

[strong forum]

i know

[sick sentinel]

i yhink its good, for free

[strong forum]

it does alot of things right, but just as many things wrong

[sick sentinel]

i just think diablo is better

[strong forum]

same

[crude notch]

eh

[strong forum]

poe you cant play casually

[minor forge]

Diablo is more casual friendly
That is what I like about it

[crude notch]

I think they're both good for their targeted audiences

[strong forum]

yes

[sick sentinel]

im stuck in hell act 1 on bow amazon

negative reisists help nothing

[warm plinth]

My experience with PoE is watching Ben play it for brief periods of time when he's doing the league races or w/e they are

which is astonishing to watch because that dude isn't human

[sick sentinel]

i actually streamed poe very long time ago

for like a few hours

guess what, peole said i was weird then too

[crude notch]

Well

[sick sentinel]

cuz i can remember not finding very many scroll of id

[warm plinth]

well, it's okay to be weird

we still love you

[sick sentinel]

and getting upset by it

[crude notch]

As long as you're not committing a severe crime being weird is normal

[strong forum]

nobody is normal

[crude notch]

precisely

[sick sentinel]

had no idea what i was rwally doing but i was doing hard core and made it to the second boss

cuz it was some athene thing at the time

[strong forum]

poe is literally the peak of "i have no idea what im doing"

for several thousand hours

[sick sentinel]

athene wanted players to stream hardcore and im just lets goooo

[crude notch]

I've played it for 300 hours each league since Scourge league which is like 1500 hours total in 1.5 years and I still have no idea wtf i'm doing.

[warm plinth]

I haven't heard the name Athene in like 10 years

[sick sentinel]

i got tp the second boss which immedeialty killed me and then like i dunno 5 ppl in chat typed rip

[sick sentinel]

hes a shasy grfiter now from forst germany

perhaps nomer knows, last i checked he joined ai bandwagon but it didnt work out hes got no viewers again

[crude notch]

I play hardcore because it helps satiate my desire to play multiple builds because I play a build until I die and then I'm forced to make another character if I want to keep playing so I play another build.

[sick sentinel]

cuz nome is from somewhere germany

[strong forum]

athene is belgian iirc

thats about as much as i know about the guy these days

besides the AI thingy for a few days

[sick sentinel]

true, but in recent years roughpy 5 to 10 years ago he moved into former nazi base turned old folks home

in east germany, forst

[strong forum]

ic

[sick sentinel]

which made it all the wierder given he was startijg click logic cult

and wearing cult leader like robes as part of the joke

nobody knows what the click is but it causdd a huge divide in the people he wokrs with apparently maybe

dudes batshit crazy a yways

makes me look like functioning memver society

[pulsar light]

What is prot looking like for mythics in 10.1

Compared to other classes if anyone knows yet

[daring marlin]

🔮

[jagged pier]

The same spot it is now middle of the pack

[crude notch]

Easily one of the six best tanks.

[pulsar light]

Lol

[sweet summit]

tankvoker that bad or

[sick sentinel]

is tankvoker real or just a meme

i heard something about possibly a 3rd spec but no idea

[crude notch]

If it's happening it's certainly not happening in 10.1.0

[ionic fern]

Is erga coming back?

For 10.1

[sweet summit]

🙅‍♂️

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

all my memes are gone

i have to download new ones

[dusky canopy]

All these 🐸 gamers in the chat

[sick sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1093628184899104788/image.png?width=655&height=910

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

Frog

[amber siren]

[grizzled kite]

Yeah if you do crafting or some shit, crafting is peak confusion

[craggy pilot]

what WA do people use for /s interrupted when they interrupt something?

i just started playing Warlock, and the one i use for my Prot Warr doesnt seem to work for pet kick 🤔

[amber siren]

I think most people use the one from details or elvui, not sure if they work with pets though

[strong forum]

details

its the best way, cuz its no bloat

[toxic pewter]

Wait so I’m not alone in having not idea what’s happening in poe?

Game seems to have so much going on lol

[craggy pilot]

i cant find the option lol

literally found it the other day, and went "huh, details can do that?" and now i cant find it wtf

[last mason]

so u do spam ip even when youre overcapping just to spend rage right

overcapping the absorb*

[hardy snow]

yes

[last mason]

does that ever swap to execute

[hardy snow]

using rage is good, not using it is bad

[amber siren]

execute will replace revenge in ST, not IP

just as long as you're not rage starving yourself

[last mason]

got it

also whats the general opinion of the tier

didnt see anything in pins or faq

[amber siren]

2p good, 4p trash

will probably change in tuning

[last mason]

4p trash bc of tuning or bc of whole design

[ionic fern]

Both.

[echo egret]

I feel hammered by Frigid Shard in 21+ tyrannical, what’s the best way to counter it ?

[scenic mural]

Spell block

Spell reflect

[echo egret]

No spécial trick i didn’t think of then

[sick sentinel]

which dungeon and or boss is that

i want to say its 3rd boss of vaults

[fresh igloo]

RLP first boss i think

[dusky canopy]

You want to try to make sure you have a defensive rolling while the vortex is pulling you in that’s when you’re in the most trouble

Otherwise just spell reflect them on cd IV on cd

Etc

[grizzled kite]

There's a lot yeah but keep playing, you prolly wont figure things out if its your first league (maybe like 2-3 leagues later) Just try and focus on one mechanic at a time, also dont touch crafting and do trading instead

[sick sentinel]

can finally install my entire steam and blizzard library with impunity

never have to worry about storage for long time now

[craggy pilot]

ty

[unkempt hinge]

I am struggling with single target DPS in raids, I haven't looked into it yet but is the priority list and build on wowhead any good for it? ❤️

Wanted to ask here first before I teach myself things that aren't right 😄

[mental scarab]

Keep SB up spam the crap out of SS and dom rage so you dont over cap, TC on cd ex

Smash keyboard

SMASH

[dusky canopy]

Press every button as much as possible in the appropriate priority and you win

[unkempt hinge]

I mean smashing my keyboard is what I already am doing haha, still don't hit the DPS people at the same ilvl hit 😄

[dusky canopy]

Wowhead is fairly accurate yes they do a good job at maintaining it

[unkempt hinge]

Okay thank you

[mental scarab]

I blame lag when i dont Do that

[unkempt hinge]

Hmm might need to start doing that

[dusky canopy]

9/10 times people come in here asking why their damage is low and the answer is press more buttons

[unkempt hinge]

Yeah I feel you, probably most asked question. I am really interested in learning every single little bit about my class so I was going to delve into logs and other stuff for rotations but figured I could give it a shot asking here as well

In case there was any bad information going around

[dusky canopy]

Press SS as much as possible
Press TC as much as possible
Press revenge as much as possible
Maintain Shield Block
Prevent capping rage with IP
Send all CDs on CD

That’s Prot war

Doesn’t get much simpler than that

[mental scarab]

Best class in the game

[unkempt hinge]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[mental scarab]

Macro IP/SS as one also

[eternal dew]

🚀

[dusky canopy]

If you do this make sure you copy Noms macro in the pins Exactly how it’s stated. You do not want your shield slam button to also cast ip
But your ip button can cast ss

[unkempt hinge]

Very smart, will do that!

Any other important macros in the notes I should pay attention to?

[dusky canopy]

You will want the stance dance macro

Sit in b stance always unless you are preparing to dr a tank buster

In witch case you “stance dance” by swapping to DS before the hit then swapping back to BS after the hit

[unkempt hinge]

Ooo yes that's a good one thank you!

[verbal wren]

What's your CPM on shield slam on a boss fight? That's one easy way to check if you're shield slamming enough

[echo egret]

I just blame the stupid dps who always place it too close

[dusky canopy]

21-24

[mental scarab]

Yea thats no Good

[unkempt hinge]

13, seeing Brews answer I need to click SS way more

Gotcha

[verbal wren]

Yeah, gotta catch all the resets

[unkempt hinge]

I think I am too used to spamming TC before SS

[verbal wren]

Mine is like 17-18, but I'm maybe garbage, too, idk

[unkempt hinge]

Still 50% more then me so I see that as needing to improve SS spam a lot

[verbal wren]

SS is higher priority than TC unless there are a lot of targets

[unkempt hinge]

I mainly do M+, only recently picked up raiding

But there obviously on bosses spamming TC is bad as well

[dusky canopy]

Keep in mind there are players in here way better than I am

[unkempt hinge]

How do you see the CPM like that?

[dusky canopy]

That is a terros log let me find a decent M+ cpm for reference

[verbal wren]

That's from warcraftlogs, @unkempt hinge. If you're trying to get better, log, upload, and analyze.

[dusky canopy]

This is a 21 RLP

Could be better

@unkempt hinge

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONG_s5H86SM

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

apparently new dragon spec is blue mage

[sweet summit]

🤯

[unkempt hinge]

Yeah I use WClogs too! Just didn't know how to get it like nicely with CPM like that!

[unkempt hinge]

I see though! Goo to know thank you!

[dusky canopy]

Also if you’re not already doing it I’d recommend using Nom’s suggested M+ build in the pins

Works great

[unkempt hinge]

Found the CPM option

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah it’s under “Casts”

[unkempt hinge]

Oh okay! Will have a look at it

[cursive jacinth]

Sup guys!!! QQ: 1 have 3 rings: 1, Titanic Insight (ilvl 405 Haste/Vers), 2, onyx Annulet (ivl 413), 3, Jeweled Signet of melandrus (ilvl 398). Which are my two best options?

[dusky canopy]

Onyx/melandrus

[unkempt hinge]

@dusky canopy this is from my Diurna kill yesterday

Definitely wrong prio haha

[cursive jacinth]

Really? I would loose good secondary stats with Titanic Insight.......Am I thinking incorrectly?

I only do M+ if it matters

[dusky canopy]

Chances are with the correct gems your onyx will provide you more damage than stats

[unkempt hinge]

DPS of the stones on M+ can be very good

This is just the first dungeon I could find, not really a good representation, but the stones normally do 10% if not more of my DPS

[mighty valley]

They really buffed the hell out of these things to make people use them

[cursive jacinth]

Wow that is good. What stones are socketed?

[mighty valley]

There's a pinned post about the best stone combos

[unkempt hinge]

I should check that post, I currently use Desirous Blood Stone, Prophetic Twilight Stone and Storm Infused Stone

[unkempt hinge]

Yeah luckily, was a bit sad to read how they seemed very bad at first haha

[mighty valley]

Now they're in a sticky place where they're insanely good into the next tier for some specs

[cursive jacinth]

Appreciate the help all

[sick sentinel]

will honed reflexes become better due to set bonus

i doubt it

[urban portal]

No

[versed nebula]

About to start Diurna prog and was wondering if anyone has a good talent build for tanking boss?

[dusky canopy]

Well yes correct

Freaking Grief torch is hard troll

They wouldn’t be top 10 at 14 cpm without that grief torch

[warm plinth]

Kek raging interrupt immunity lasted approximately an hour?

[fresh igloo]

i am loving the attention they are giving affix iteration on the PTR

[strong forum]

still not used by most dps

[warm plinth]

I really wish people stopped using a % of their own personal DPS as a metric to measure if something is good or not

[strong forum]

well in this specific case

its good for you if it does that much

[warm plinth]

Yeah, which is fine, as long as they also understand that it's due to low gear, a need to improve their gameplay, or both.

[jaunty sentinel]

Hey guys! what is the haste , versa cap for prot?

[fresh igloo]

just get more ilvl, and probably go for haste crit instead.

[jaunty sentinel]

Around how much haste i should go for @fresh igloo ?

[warm plinth]

There isn't one, and you don't stack vers anyway

[fresh igloo]

more.

get more haste and crit.

[warm plinth]

There is technically but it's not reachable (realistically) right now

[fresh igloo]

with higher ilvl.

[strong forum]

stat caps are a myth from the olden days

[warm plinth]

and it's more just a deprioritization than a cap

[strong forum]

havent been a thing since sims

[jaunty sentinel]

My stats atm

With Amulet

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660181958155960340/1083725013414322267/image.png

[warm plinth]

Whatever you posted, we'd say it's fine.

[jaunty sentinel]

Annulet* ring

[strong forum]

this is the only thing that matters

[latent steppe]

question: regardless of the season 2 set bonuses will i still be able to do high keys like other tanks or should i re-roll to fury/arms? set bonuses are that awful?

[strong forum]

everybodies tierset is awful

it doesnt matter

whatsoever

[warm plinth]

Well, considering our current set bonuses aren't all that special, it should have no effect

[strong forum]

the only tank sets that do more than 3% are BDK and VDH

but VDH has to play a SUPER unpopular build

and BDK is still BDK

ok i guess monk set isnt super terrible for dps either, but its nowhere near relevant enough to have any impact

[dusky canopy]

“Should I re roll off Prot warrior”
In the Prot warrior channel

[warm plinth]

tbf I tell people all the time that they should play prot pally

[dusky canopy]

Calm down pinky

[strong forum]

been telling people that since launch

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

but like

every tank can do high keys, pwar will continue to be the in the same position it is now

[fresh igloo]

"if you rolled prot because FOTM and you think you might want to re-roll, the answer is just do it"

[strong forum]

yeah that sums it up

[dusky canopy]

Fotm is cool if you don’t care much for collecting

[daring marlin]

I fucking cackled

[warm plinth]

well that feefls weird in Skyhold lol

[daring marlin]

LOL

[dusky canopy]

It’s sucks re rolling and not having cool stuff you’ve collected

[strong forum]

i hate fotm

i only play something because it looks/is fun

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

not because its good

[dusky canopy]

Same here it has to feel good to play

If it doesn’t I don’t care how fotm it is

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'm the same way. I play what I have fun playing

Though tbf sometimes that does end up being meta lol

[vocal bison]

Like Barbaric Training

[unkempt hinge]

I still use Barbaric training oops

[pearl zinc]

Dilf build vdh supremacy

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-flex-flexing-muscles-gif-26324539

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX_WMLFu4hY

spicy google wow reviews

[topaz raptor]

hey last night i did my first attempts on heroic raz and we actually cleared it too. My parse scored really low i was wondering if anyone could give me any tips? Im still a new player. Some of my gearing is wrong because I thought I was gonna be playing dps that day https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tc1nWajDZqzkvKF8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4

[hardy snow]

change your talents to raid setup instead of M+

[topaz raptor]

for that night i was using talents from wowhead for razageth unless i fucked up @hardy snow

[fresh igloo]

looks like you're rage capping a lot. parsing blue for ilvl isn't terrible, mind. good damage parses will also depend on how well everyone else is pushing damage too. shield block uptime is a little spotty, that will help improve your shield slam damage. getting more TC casts than shield slams in a mostly single target fight seems odd to me, are you missing a lot of slam resets?

[urban portal]

Don’t run barb training

Run sidearm

[topaz raptor]

hmm 🤔 maybe but ill work on being more cautious of missing shield slams

kk

[fresh igloo]

if you want to parse for damage get a grief torch too

are those your best simming trinkets?

[topaz raptor]

yeah those are my best two by far. Only thing Ive switched out from my usual gear is on one ring I decided to use seal of filial duty instead of jeweled signet of melandrus

[urban bane]

also wrecking throw certainly doesnt hurt for rasza

Yeah those talents in general just arent great for raid if you're lookin to parse

[sick sentinel]

how come it doesn't get taken in mythic + for all the random BS absorb 420k hp spells mobs do

just cuz dps have better absorb killing stuff?

[topaz raptor]

ok yeah this is my usual single target raid talent

[urban bane]

Just to provide other datapoints (can't review logs atm), in case you wanna see the sorta talent loadouts big parsers run WCL has a nice talent viz you can use -- might be handy (edited for heroic link) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/31#boss=2607&class=Warrior&spec=Protection&difficulty=4

[pallid quiver]

@warm plinth get him

[warm plinth]

AAAAAAAHHHH

[urban portal]

Maybe in 10.2 barb becomes mandatory

[dusky canopy]

Less ip more revenge

[quartz fern]

Wrecking Throw is pog too

[somber sky]

oh lol I forgot

lingering sporepod is making a return

wonder if this is gonna be a vendor-on-loot trinket or wut

[warm plinth]

Yep

The OG :literalgarbage:

Tf

new emoji name 😠

Actually I think haft was the OG

Sporepods was the 2nd one

[quartz fern]

Barbaric Training should be literalgarbage

tbh

[topaz raptor]

thank you

[sick sentinel]

if i was yellow or blue name i would update literalgarbage emotes by my own

[grizzled kite]

sidearm talent on side of talent tree

developers think we're a joke

[modern brook]

Promote yogi to keep literalgarbage pure

[daring marlin]

and so he can ban bullfango

get 'em outta hurrr

[warm plinth]

Should be burgeoning seed rn tbh

bladedancer's is so last xpac

[grizzled kite]

[daring marlin]

🗑️

[pallid quiver]

Should just be me tbh

[grizzled kite]

:luerce:

[timber nest]

anything in COS thats magic that neeeds blocking?

im feeling a hard no

[grizzled kite]

you mean with spell block?

[warm plinth]

There is stuff that is blockable with spell block, but none that needs to be.

[timber nest]

@grizzled kite ya

i mean some dungeons its really nice to have like SMBG or TJS

[warm plinth]

CoS is like...the least dangerous tank dungeon that's ever been M+ probably lol

There's like one thing that hits hard in the entire dungeon

and it's backsteppable

[grizzled kite]

the Shadow thing from the succubus right?

[warm plinth]

yes

[grizzled kite]

just reflect and laugh at her dying

[warm plinth]

Nah SBG hurts in a few places. The souls the dominators have with them hit pretty hard. Void Slash obviously. Deathspike on 1st boss

[pallid quiver]

It's one of the most dangerous for your sanity in pugs, tho

DPS have ass magnets in there

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk what the fuck peoples' issue with CoS is man

They make that shit so much harder than it should be

[pallid quiver]

And heals

It's a very easy dungeon

[hardy snow]

how much value have unstoppable force in defensive terms? it gives more TCs which is more rage and more SS resets, but how can value those from defensive point of view?

[pallid quiver]

But like,

One time I had someone pull four constructs in the first pull of the dungeon

I don't even know how you get that many constructs there

[grizzled kite]

More IP

[daring marlin]

Two in the very front, one on the bridge and one after

They tried, apparently

[warm plinth]

Rage in and of itself isn't defensive. But you could theoretically spend it on IP. And the shield wall seems to me like it would just be superfluous. We have plenty of defensives already.

[timber nest]

is the docks in COS still the play on a 23 key?

[daring marlin]

"Nyehehe this will be great count"

[timber nest]

or are there better pulls now?

[warm plinth]

I always do the docks; most efficient pull in the dungeon

[daring marlin]

lust on cd ez

[pallid quiver]

I always skip docks because I assume my ass is going over percent by like 50%

Even though we have lures for every miniboss possible

[grizzled kite]

Docks is a meme and only for lust timing optimization anyway

It's more of a trap for unaware dps and definitely not something you do in pugs etc

Plenty of count to grab elsewhere

Easier pulls, better/efficient mobs

[warm plinth]

In first area, pull beacon + construct, then dock, then guard/cat with construct, then double worms + guard/sentry, then bridge pack, then construct after boss is dragged up/killed. Pack after the door w/ succ/felhound. Both imp packs, and then whatever else you need for count. I don't go out of my way for buffs because you don't need them.

There's no pull more efficient than the dock pull

Except the double worm pull maybe but you're going to do that anyway

[hardy snow]

Ive tried immovable object when tanking diurna and it feels very usefull when eggs are breaking, I know its bad to hold avatar (sometimes i have to hold it for 6-7seconds to line up with eggs breaking), but i feel much better and have better CDs management thanks to that and I was thinking about trying it on other fights

[grizzled kite]

Not when you risk having +20s on the clock because people can't handle 3+ frontals

[hardy snow]

But im not sure if its worth it, as eggs on diurna is quite specific content

[grizzled kite]

And yes you can stun/stop them but it's rare that people do when I play

[warm plinth]

I mean, tbf the frontals are the tank's issue unless the dps are literally standing on you, which doesn't happen in my random pugs that I've done

[modern brook]

?

[warm plinth]

Generally that pull is made difficult because the tank overmoves

[modern brook]

It's hard in pugs cause no one does it

[grizzled kite]

🤔

[daring marlin]

I always do it

[warm plinth]

Like frontals are handled so weirdly by tanks, I don't get it

[modern brook]

Just clear the docks 4head

Then it'll be ez

[warm plinth]

Like why are we going in circles around this pack

[grizzled kite]

[warm plinth]

You move, then you move back

We're not salsa dancing out here

[pallid quiver]

What's wrong about pointing the mob at your mage friend a second before the frontal locks in place, then standing away from them again so they don't notice the frontal?

[warm plinth]

dude, not a frontal but I had a pug tank turn his character when the ragnarok shield was up and straight up merc my hunter the other day

[modern brook]

Lol

[pallid quiver]

Props to that man

[modern brook]

Owned

[pallid quiver]

I remember that story, too

[warm plinth]

Yup

It turns with your character

[pallid quiver]

I said the same thing then, too, of you obvs deserved it as a hunter

[warm plinth]

He didn't do it on purpose; he was just like "I wanted to see if it would move"

[grizzled kite]

I feel bullied and I will continue to farm... 😢

[pallid quiver]

I've tried to turn it just enough to kill my mage friend before

He's learned to stand closer to the center than someone else

[warm plinth]

It's true, especially as BM. I get to do nothing the whole key and pump

The least I can do is sacrfiice myself for someone's (mine) grieftorch amirite

[hardy snow]

lol, I didnt even know that cause I was never moving with it XD

[grizzled kite]

New raging affix looks.. fun

[pallid quiver]

New raging affix now looks to be almost a non-issue

Things can still be interrupted, so only hard stop required casts are concerning

[daring marlin]

If by fun you mean ezpz yes

[pallid quiver]

So most dungeons will be eh, things like RLP with flame dance stuff might suck

[grizzled kite]

Wait so basically this only encourages soothe classes right? Because at some point in key levels certain casts will just one shot you if not using defensives

[warm plinth]

You can still kick

You just can't stop shit like piercing shards

[grizzled kite]

"Immune to interrupts and crowd control effects." Doesn't this mean they are basically immune to kicks?

[warm plinth]

They changed it to not work on kicks like

an hour later

[grizzled kite]

Ohhh

that's not bad then

Raging
Raging now grants enemies immunity to crowd control effects for 20 seconds upon reaching 30% health remaining (was 50% increased damage done until defeated).

[warm plinth]

That and the bolstering change are amazing. The entangled change is what I was suggesting and hoping they'd do

50% snare was just too much

and I like that it has a circle now to see how far you need to go

[daring marlin]

Dude yes. Bolstering was my favorite. Does more damage? Okay, sure.

As long as it doesn't slow the run down idgaf.

[sick sentinel]

not imnune to los i bet

[rotund wyvern]

Hey guys! I have maybe a simple question: What crafted piece would you upgrade first: lariat, 1H or shield?

[cloud umbra]

Shield

[rotund wyvern]

'cause of the extra block and armor?

[cloud umbra]

Yep. Has the most value

[rotund wyvern]

Thank you very much!

[cloud umbra]

Np

[sinful fern]

is the embellishment shield worth it?

[warm plinth]

no

[grizzled kite]

Is barbaric training worth it?

[daring marlin]

23 HoV

time for pain lads

[warm plinth]

@shut summit @potent anvil hello wonderful friends, hope you both are well and are as excited for the new season as I am!

[pallid quiver]

no ghash excitement is banned

we only doom in wowtopia

[daring marlin]

man

MFs type too much in keys

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/uQRp.gif

[daring marlin]

negative, ghost rider

we timed it

MFs still type too much

[pallid quiver]

Your average pug either types an essay every three steps or says absolutely nothing until "fuk u tank/heals/class" and dip

[daring marlin]

like the pally in the 22AA "we don't need these" talking about WW boys leading up to last boss

Turns out we needed them

[warm plinth]

Imagine being the tank and knowing the fuckin route

[daring marlin]

crazy right?

LUL

[warm plinth]

[pallid quiver]

I have to fight with the DPS over routes uncomfortably often

[daring marlin]

plus they're the most free count

fuckin' z axis them

[pallid quiver]

like, god damn, half these dungeons are hold W

[daring marlin]

brainlet

[warm plinth]

Dude it's actually insane how many people still don't know you can do that

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

Freest trash in the dungeon

[daring marlin]

I believe it considering him and the DH were both out ranging them

L O L

[warm plinth]

[pallid quiver]

but what's a z-axis

are you telling me to just jump them or something?

like bro, i got blink on space, i can't jump

Of course, I've got the pro strats on deck of "My ass is playing Battle Network when it comes out in like an hour or something", so hearing arguments like this ain't a me issue

i mean it hasn't been a me issue for like, 4-5 weeks but

[warm plinth]

Yes, please just jump them

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

Are you legit asking about the z-axis though?

Or memeing lol

[daring marlin]

First time in there as arms I popped dbts on the ones near the boss.

fuck those assholes

should be stairs everywhere

[pallid quiver]

memeing

I'm quoting a response I've gotten once

hence the specific "blink on space" reference

[daring marlin]

flavor

pocket

GIVE IT

[grizzled kite]

I do need an explanation because they do not seem to work for me

You stand below them on the stairs right?

[daring marlin]

You can stand below or above them

[warm plinth]

yeah and it's like

BARELY a change in z-axis

Like one step down from them is enough

[grizzled kite]

gotta test

[daring marlin]

wewlad I sure hope I get an Irideus Fragment from one of my early vaults at 447.

Not for prot but for arms and ret

5180 str on use? yes pls

[slim dove]

its absolute insane for boomkin

3min cd lines up with incarn

cant wait to still do mid st with 5.1k int during my burst kekw

[shell mortar]

How far off is S2 now? 2 weeks?

[hexed bolt]

9 may NA / 10 may EU opens raid + mythic plus

[shell mortar]

Good stuff, thanks pal

So right after my vacation ends

[hexed bolt]

f

[maiden ravine]

they gave prot warrior a lot of fun stuff this expansion

I still miss ancient aftershock though

Roar just ain't the same

[daring marlin]

I miss good spear

[maiden ravine]

I thought spear was still good?

[daring marlin]

for fury cuz of their burst

spear is trash otherwise

[maiden ravine]

condemn should've been in the class tree.

[grand saddle]

how do you skip the storm drake in hov

[grizzled kite]

@grand saddlehttps://youtu.be/432xTxs40Gc

[jagged pier]

no

[jagged pier]

it is

[jagged pier]

u dont run forward u run to the right

once it lands u hug the wall

[daring marlin]

I wonder if any of the night fae armors would look good with those weapons from the trading post.

🤔

[jagged pier]

they dont

[daring marlin]

unlucky

[maiden ravine]

eh?

[jagged pier]

spec massacre u get the animation

[crude notch]

Massacre isn't in the class tree either.

You're really struggling with this coverup

[uncut zephyr]

just you wait until they put in shadowlands timewalking

[jagged pier]

yes not in the tree

[grizzled kite]

[crude notch]

I don't think you know what "class tree" is

[jagged pier]

might be juggernaut that does it

i dunno

one of the two

[crude notch]

Well Jakey

Let me explain to you

For all 3 specs there's this tree on the left that doesn't change because it's called the class tree

[median tulip]

🍿

[crude notch]

The trees that change on the right

[ionic fern]

Don't bully Jakey or i won't send you cat pics.

[maiden ravine]

I hadn't clocked it changing the animation yet

[crude notch]

are called the spec tree.

[maiden ravine]

my warrior is only 66

[jagged pier]

wow who cares the guy wanted condemn

[crude notch]

The current expansion we're in is called Dragonflight

[jagged pier]

in prot

u have both trees in the spec

makes 0 difference

[crude notch]

And the game is called World of Warcraft

[jagged pier]

and im pretty sure all 3 specs actually have those talents

so technically

they are in the class tree

[grizzled kite]

Never knew that, thanks, this discord is pretty great! 👍

[crude notch]

Technically condemn is not in the tree

[median tulip]

Unpopular opinion: the damage suppression effect of the original Condemn was a really neat idea that Blizz criminally wasted on a single target ability

[crude notch]

Apologies. There's just a level of stupidity that just shouldn't go unchecked, especially for SF.

[maiden ravine]

Make it shadow damage again!

[ionic fern]

Mixing class/spec tree is hardly stupidity.

If it were, i'd probably be the stupidest person here.

[crude notch]

But standing by your answer when you're wrong is.

[median tulip]

The distinction between class and spec tree is utterly meaningless when the talent in question appears on all three spec trees. And in any case, who even changes spec when Protection is so damn solid right now?

[maiden ravine]

cause dps can be fun

[grizzled kite]

Can you even be specless? Or is it forced upon you?

[daring marlin]

Arms is super fun.

[grizzled kite]

Haven't leveled in so long

[daring marlin]

Also variety is the spice of(not fury) life.

[warm plinth]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/specless

Behold, my priest

[grizzled kite]

Specless

[warm plinth]

And he is, in fact, specless.

[grizzled kite]

If you logged in would you be forced to select a spec though?

Or hit max level

[warm plinth]

Nope

He was 60 in SL

Did keys on him and everything

[grizzled kite]

Can you please, please run some keys or something just to surprise people

[warm plinth]

I might have vods of him doing some keys. Ofc they were just my team doing all the work while I tagged along

I think I maxed out at like 1k DPS in SL. Would probably be even less now because no covenant ability

There's a lot of shit you can't do with a specless toon

[grizzled kite]

Yeah guess it's limiting

But would be a fun personal challenge

Time all 15s with a team of specless people

Something like that

Probably not possible

[warm plinth]

No legendaries, no soulbinds in SL, no tier sets, no spec aura, no talents

Very few abilities

[grizzled kite]

No soulbinds

Bron my bestest friend

[warm plinth]

Yeah actually a friend of mine who also did a specless toon (we were going to do a whole team and do keys) is the one that got the error message added to the soulbind activation

[daring marlin]

bron was the best

[warm plinth]

Because originally it would let you click the activate button but just not do anything

[scenic forge]

Bron Cena 💌

[daring marlin]

rofl

[warm plinth]

He sent in a bunch of tickets and finally they made it give an error that you had to pick a spec

[grizzled kite]

Lol the man actually changed the game

[warm plinth]

But yeah pretty sure a team of specless toons could not remotely do a +15

At least not timed

You would just have no damage at all

Plus you're limited on how you can level too, depending on your class

[daring marlin]

just AA/RLP/AV left to 23 this week

surely they should be easy with HoV and TJS outta the way!

[warm plinth]

Because for example if you're a DH, or a paladin or something like that, you can't queue for dungeons

Like with the dungeon finder I mean

Because if you queue as a role and the role only has one spec for your class, it'll put you in it automatically when you enter the dungeon'

@crude notch why you no say hi to me cutie pie

[undone verge]

The brew master journey begins

[warm plinth]

time to learn like 37 buttons

[undone verge]

BRM is actually so tanky tho like seems like it has a low skill floor due to the lack up active mitigation. Definitely has a high skill ceiling tho

I’ll probably chill on the pwarrior for prog next tier, and use the BRM if we need it, then when we’re done with prog and I got all my parses or whatever I’ll rip the BRM

[shell mortar]

In all fairness skill ceiling is up there for all tanks in high M+ but raids every tank can function on half a brain

Just BRM is harder to get into high keys due to /needing/ to press all buttons to realistically function well

[maiden ravine]

BrM has so many buttons

[remote venture]

I will try to puch keys with BrM next season. There are lot of keys but the main button are AoE, so you don't need to think between sigle target and aoe until you get to fillers

[hardy snow]

is there any noticeable QoL difference between races in raid environment?

[jagged pier]

dwarf

[hardy snow]

can dwarf racial remove some sh*t from bosses? like eranog's dot or something?

[jagged pier]

it removes stuff like rending bite

[hardy snow]

so it works on adds abilities only?

[jagged pier]

no it breaks a lot of stuff but it depends on encounter, and thinking that blizzard will let u remove actual tank stacks on a boss is kinda dumb that just makes dwarf far too powerful

but being able to remove a double stack of rending bite

very strong

and be used to remove roots like the ice also on brood strong

[limpid citrus]

Dwarf can remove the bleed from the frost proto drake on broodkeeper which at least is notable on mythic.

[ionic fern]

More or less every raid has had something that Dwarf can remove.

[limpid citrus]

Yes. SOFO had Skolex bleed

[ionic fern]

Most of the times it's not as significant.

But more like a QoL.

[jagged pier]

well he asked about QoL

[ionic fern]

MObile

No show

That far up.

[jagged pier]

😂

[limpid citrus]

Its a utility that comes at no cost compared to other alliance races

[ionic fern]

Just go NE and shadowmeld randomly.

Watch everyone panic.

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

giving a tank a fade of some sort is always hilarious

shout outs to star wars the old republic when i tried it when they gave one of the tank classes stealth and vanish

and you could break raid mechanics with it since they didn't plan around it

[misty moss]

Dwarf is the warrior race to play

Belf is ok too as torrent is pretty strong in keys.

[grizzled kite]

I am a highmountain tauren enjoyer

[remote venture]

I am Orc enjoyer. Zug-Zug

[minor forge]

Human warr
This season the racial saved the heck out of me with thundering

[lime urchin]

Y’all use racials?

[jagged pier]

all racials have a use

u should use them

[hardy snow]

im currently maghar orc, so Ive binded racial under avatar

but due to crossfaction guilds in 10.1 im thinking about changing to alliance and I think between human, kultiran, dwarf/irondwarf

kultirans are ugly af so probably human/dwarf

[jagged pier]

if u care about your racial being useful for tank

its dwarf

otherwise just choose what u like the most

[blazing condor]

I use my racial every time i eat or jump from a high altitude

[jagged pier]

huge racials

[ionic fern]

Best racial Panda racial.

[jagged pier]

instead of bringing out a third evoker spec they need to bring tuskarr as a playable race

[ionic fern]

Oh right, that's a thing.

[jagged pier]

supposedly

[ionic fern]

No shield
No plate armor
= not a tank.

Can't wait for it to be uberly overtuned tho.

[jagged pier]

not brown on frames

not a tank

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

i don't use my racial often as tauren

i already have stuns, boss, i don't wanna DR it more

assuming it's not already immune

[ionic fern]

I like Taurens because tanks are almost the only ones playing them so it's really easy to see yourself in raids.

Me and my co-tank unironically both mogged into Tauren for Rasz.

😂

[pallid quiver]

me be big

10/10 the reason young, small me chose to be a cow

[ionic fern]

Also..Sense plays Tauren.

So it's obviously the correct choice.

[pallid quiver]

I've been a Tauren Warrior since

[jagged pier]

sir

sense has been dwarf for a very long time

and was lightforged at one point as well

[pallid quiver]

i thought he was a dwarf, but i don't keep track so i wasn't gonna say anything

[blazing condor]

Dwarf irl tauren ingame

[ember pasture]

hello

[pallid quiver]

goodbye

[ember pasture]

lol

[sick sentinel]

somedude in a chatroom is bitching to us that he got banned from wow and then hes now extremely angry cuz i said "imagine getting banned from wow" and others are saying rip bozo

poor guy, but im still gunna laugh at what happened to him,

[ashen coral]

Hello I have a question, do bloodborn ( https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385704/bloodborne ) and thunderous words ( https://www.wowhead.com/spell=384969/thunderous-words ) stack multiplicatively or additionaly ? If I take both, will I have an increase of 1.15×1.2 or 1+0.1×(15+20) ?

(I am thinking about the fact that there would be only 3% difference anyway but I still wonder)

[sour meadow]

Rip bozo indeed lmao

[sour meadow]

Tauren irl human in game Ayyy

[sharp ruin]

what u guys think about prot warrior tier set in 10.1?

i really can't understand if is a good tier set or is a shit one xD

[jagged pier]

2 pc is okay

4pc is garbage

[sharp ruin]

the 4pc force us to use last stand on cd

[jagged pier]

yes but i dont use LS anyway

but its 200 dps on ST

so its garbage anyway

[sharp ruin]

true but in AOE scenarios can be good

[jagged pier]

its 600 dps

garbage

[craggy pilot]

oh so its straight just low number 😄

[sharp ruin]

the shit thing is that we will have to use last stand on cd to proc the tier set and i don't like it

[craggy pilot]

rip

[jagged pier]

but u will have to anyway

because u have to run bolster

which means u have to use LS on cd anyway

for block uptime

[hardy snow]

4p is currently so garbage, im thinking about playing 2x2p, or just 2p with better stats/ilvl XD

[jagged pier]

u will probably play 2pc 2pc

[craggy pilot]

so that means well be stuck with 2x 421 pieces :>

[jagged pier]

i mean literally nothing wrong with that running old tier sets arent an unheard of thing

[toxic gyro]

No way they leave new 4pc at current state

[dry spear]

4p should be during and after ls maybe

[toxic gyro]

Right?

[jagged pier]

in NH my resto druid ran BRF 2 set on star argur

[craggy pilot]

hmm, i have 421 helm and gloves 🤔

guessing that will work

[jagged pier]

its better than paladin

[craggy pilot]

since my helmet has socket

[jagged pier]

paladins is like 60 dps

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[potent gulch]

BRF? from Draenor ? ;o

[craggy pilot]

so pala also going 2 x 2 ?

[jagged pier]

yes

[toxic gyro]

That would be troll af from blizzard

I guess we’ll see

[craggy pilot]

i bet it will happen, and then we get 10.1.5 or something that fixes it

so for the first many weeks we run 2x2

@jagged pier how much ilvl is worth dropping for going 2x2, do we know yet?

[toxic gyro]

Fine with me, knowing my luck I won’t have set for a while anyway

Are they changing catalyst next patch or it’s still gonna be like 6 weeks into the patch before we get it?

[jagged pier]

we dont get catalyst next patch

[jagged pier]

🤷

[craggy pilot]

i have 411 and 415 ilvl tier on my pala :S

[dry spear]

What blizzard will do and what the always did is nerfing the old piece bonus so that 4p will be better.

Instead of buffing the new stuff there will be a nerf to the old stuff

[craggy pilot]

but we get the "upgrade items" whatever to replace it

[hardy snow]

knowing current blizz practices Im afraid that thier solution to "Oh no, ppl are playing 2x2p" will be just nerfing/disabling old 2p XD

[amber siren]

yeah i'd be very surprised if they kept any active tier going into season 2

[craggy pilot]

from what i heard its been a long time since we had tier going into tier

and back then it wasnt disabled

[amber siren]

they've said in interviews in the past they don't like tier being bis after the raid is no longer 'relevant', iirc it was during legion

[craggy pilot]

most recent was the Maw gems into Tier, where they disabled the gems outside the maw 🤔

[amber siren]

and with moving current profession drops into aberrus i can't see them wanting people to return to vault for gear

[toxic gyro]

That really sucks I guess. They wanna lose even more players lol

[sweet summit]

don't you fucking dare call domination shards tier

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

wish erga would return in 10.1

[craggy pilot]

[toxic gyro]

So ppl who only m+ are doomed or have to praise the vault even more

[remote venture]

🙏 The Vault 🙏

[sick sentinel]

i havent logged on at all this week

havent done a thing.

[ember pasture]

anyone have an issue were for example execute is available to cast but it is greyed out and cant actually use it even on top of enemy?

new to this class so could be a new player problem but still odd

[hard gyro]

If it's greyed out, then it's not available?

[ember pasture]

it has the dotty thing around it to use it

oooh maybe rage isnt high enough?

[hard gyro]

I don't really understand what you mean by "dotty thing" around it. Are you refering to a weakaura you are using or Blizzards actionbars?

[daring marlin]

need your badges for the shield yogi

[ember pasture]

no so execute when its available has like dots that rotate around the skill

didnt see it costed rage though so i think i figured out my own problem

[strong forum]

Action glow
Means you have a sudden death proc ready, also with default UI there's a graphical bug where the action glow is 3x larger

And doesn't go away

[sick sentinel]

im actually still madge as fuck that the execute glow bug has been documented and not fixed for as long as it has

and it kinda ruins things for me cuz its like, well, it proced, now its affecting the 10 other nearby buttons on my bars and i cant easily remove it and its gunna come back

[ember pasture]

idk i just cant press it sometimes i assume i just dont have rage yet

[strong forum]

Yes

That's part of the bug

[sick sentinel]

so i now have to put execute other right side of bars away from my other rotational buttons

[strong forum]

It says its usable when it isn't

And that is a bug of default UI

[sick sentinel]

like, thats a minor thing, but it drives me nuts

[strong forum]

Can't do anything about it except use addons

[ember pasture]

ahh oke

[sick sentinel]

i can't stand it

[strong forum]

Ive not used default UI since 2007 so i only know about it from other people

But it is pretty obnoxious

[sick sentinel]

but like, yeah

[hardy snow]

and Ive learned about this just now

[sick sentinel]

even in defualt UI, clean install

no addons

that thing i said, still pops up

and it stays for like 2 minutes

[crude notch]

Except we do get the catalyst next patch.

[sick sentinel]

its frustrating

[crude notch]

We get catalyst

Ignore Jakey

[strong forum]

We do get catalyst, but after 6 weeks again

Or 8, can't member

Don't rly care about 10.1

[hardy snow]

have you considered changing default UI?

[crude notch]

It's 6, but still, we do get it.

[sick sentinel]

how do you mean

like tuk ui

i couldnt figure out or didnt like elvui, and i got stuck with tuk

[strong forum]

Any kind of action bar addon will do the trick I imagine

[sick sentinel]

i want as little addons as possible in wow

these days

[strong forum]

Same, I only use like 5-6

[sick sentinel]

still have loads, but not as many as before

[strong forum]

Gotta keep it clean for performance sake

[sick sentinel]

dont you got a 3080 ti and 1200 w psu?

i mean, i think u got tons of performance lol

[strong forum]

Doesn't mean that having addon bloat and bad weakauras arent gonna have an impact lol

90%+ of performance issues are tied to addons and weakauras for people

Not cuz of Hardware

[minor helm]

Also wows not intense on the gpu or power supply?

[strong forum]

Wow is notorious for bad performance, especially in raid setting

Wow is almost entirely a CPU game

Single core at that

[minor helm]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

ehhhh

i'd argue gaming is hard on the psu

[strong forum]

The multithreading of wow isn't really working well

[sick sentinel]

cuz your sending literal 12v rail at the cpu

its not optimized for multiplecore, even if they opened that option

[strong forum]

Psu is w/e, doesn't impact your games performance directly, it only impacts what kind of Hardware you can run to begin with

[sick sentinel]

game has to be coded with multicore in mind

[strong forum]

Wow has multithread support since bfa

But it's not super well done

Since the entire game is built and written off of 17yo code at the core

Hell, they couldn't edit authenticator cuz it was fucking tied to the ingame backpack

Or something else, not sure about authenticator, but there was an issue they couldn't resolve quickly cuz it was buried so deep within the 🍝 that it would break the game cuz of the fucking backpack

[remote venture]

It's hard to have code ready for multithread in 2004 I guess

[strong forum]

Pmuch

They're obv updating the engine constantly but it still is primarily a single core game

[hardy snow]

ive changed ryzen 3700x to 5800x3D few months ago, overall not big difference in other games, in wow like +30fps in valdrakken, raid fights smooth af etc.

[hardy snow]

bad thing in such long living games is that "upgrades" to the engine are just adding another thing on top of others

[remote venture]

Well, it's hard to redo everything

[strong forum]

It's a pretty unique position to be in tbf

[remote venture]

It's the best option but no time and money for it

[strong forum]

Having such a demanding game for this long

[jagged pier]

multithreading is hard enough at the start of something

even harder to change now

for a game written off rabbits not too bad tho

[remote venture]

WoW was build to work on laptop from early 2000s and that was RELLY good for MMO at the time

[sick sentinel]

changed from 3700x to 5600x less heat same performance

[dusky canopy]

I’m on a 5800x I’ve been contemplating the 5800x3d just to see if wow frames gets a decent bump but idk if it’ll be that massive of a difference

I hear that the 3d cache makes a big difference for cpu heavy games though

[sick sentinel]

i got 2600 coins right now

saw the burning blade toy for 750, i'd have to farm out another 650 ish if i also bought that to be on track to also recieve shield

thats a ton of TW dungeons, i dont even want to think about how many

i want to say around 20 TW

[hushed harbor]

We rolling on the new very rare trinkets if they drop or passing to DPS? 5% extra dmg taken seems like nothing and throwing leech on the other one looks good.

I dunno if there are better trinket options so we would pass

[hardy snow]

random proc that can kill me? im gonna pass 😄

[left basalt]

Link to trinket in question?

[hardy snow]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204201/neltharions-call-to-chaos

I think Vial of Animated Blood from Underrot will be good, CD lines up well and its quite strong currently, but of course Blizz can still nerf it

[urban portal]

???

PSU???

bruh turning your computer on is hard for PSU

[urban portal]

vial may not be good

because tanks usually want something thats consistent

burst stats arent usually too insane

but call to chaos is very good

but obviously downside of 5% more damage is tough

[hardy snow]

vial i've mentioned is 1.5min cd on decent main stat, its pretty consistent 😛

[sick sentinel]

there is a an infamous unspoken law of building a pc

"don't cheap out of the power supply"

[urban portal]

as in like, you dont have the stats 100% of the time

and it gives mastery as its consistent stat

[hardy snow]

well, decay sucks indeed

[amber siren]

flat damage on trinkets is generally better for tanks. especially as an active

[sick sentinel]

and if you do, it pretty much goes precisely the way you are seeing it in your head now

[urban portal]

of course

but nothing is HARD on the PSU

[sick sentinel]

well all i really mean is if you have a better cpu, gpu, you will be drawing more power

which puts more stress on th psu

leading to that you want to buy a more reliable one

[urban portal]

yeah, damage trinkets are generally better, because stats trinkets are used in your CDs but you are usually not in danger of dying during CDs

[hardy snow]

stat trinket used on CD is not to survive, but to kill :p

[urban portal]

yes

and if you do that

flat damage trinkets are generally better

outside of uncapped AOE