protection

[pallid quiver]

Not working as intended, hotfix incoming

[torn gulch]

i like having defensive trinkets

[warm plinth]

Kinda sad the hotfix already happened and it's still broken

[pallid quiver]

What do you mean? It simply ensured the correct behavior of "fuck melee" is working as intended

The issue is the worm that won't be like that

[daring marlin]

I want mythrax trinket back

or nzoth trinket

busted

[torn gulch]

the shell?

i was playing at the beginning of SL with the mythic shell still

[warm plinth]

We have a lot of garbage trinkets next season. It's going to be awesome

[torn gulch]

we'll play with the 3k strenght trinkets and crit i guess

[zinc valley]

@warm plinth Appreciate you and your help

💖

[torn gulch]

the one frim the penultimate boss

[warm plinth]

Any time friend

[torn gulch]

class specific one

[warm plinth]

That works fine if you raid

Which I do not

[torn gulch]

i did not raid either this tier i'll raid next tier up to heroic

[warm plinth]

I work nights. Not gonna try to find a 4am guild XD

[torn gulch]

because you can take that heroic gear and upgrade it to base mythic

oh i won't do it with a guild either

some friends and some pugs

a chill 2/2/6

or 2/3/9

i'll get there

tbh i only need to get tier/back/trinkets as everything else is crafted

and tier i expect to get 2 piece very quickly

[pallid quiver]

The fuck are friends

[torn gulch]

fortunately i have a very decent guild and friends to play i won't raid with the main groups but we'll work something out

there is a running gag in my guild with "group 3" we might start that again

[pallid quiver]

The closest thing I have to friends that play WoW are the people in this chat

and i think many a body would be hard pressed to call me a friend in here

Pug life eternal

[torn gulch]

pug is love, pug is life

tbh i pugged a lot of keys this season

[pallid quiver]

I pugged every last key that I did this season

Had a friend tag along on a few, but most were full pugs

[warm plinth]

Are you NA?

[pallid quiver]

If that was towards me, yeah

[warm plinth]

si, it was toward you

Maybe one day when I'm not on night shift we can key together

[pallid quiver]

Would be nice, actually

But I'd also have to boot up WoW and do keys again for that. I just keep playing PSO2 NGS

it doesn't even have as much content i don't understand

[warm plinth]

Add me on b.net Ghash#1346. I'll accept when I get home. Maybe on the weekends or something we can get shit going

[pallid quiver]

Potentially; I'm at work myself right now, so it'll be a minute before I go adding

[daring marlin]

I find it wild that people still get cleaved in HoV.

[warm plinth]

Stop turning the mobs to them smh

[daring marlin]

for real

s key gaming isn't enough!

[sick sentinel]

What do we think of the Treemouth splinter?

[warm plinth]

It's very strong for what it is

[median tulip]

I keep looking at the one from the magmammoth, and then realising that without vault rings being current Fire damage won't be all that

[warm plinth]

Fire damage is still generally preferred (on a comparable strength trinket) over physical though, since mobs have armor

[urban portal]

yeah basically

if the numbers are identitcal you want fire

but sims can tell you the difference

[daring marlin]

tendy trinket gonna be good

[white gulch]

Yo does anyone have an aegis macro that I can put on my bars?

[warm plinth]

A what now?

like the aegis in HoV?

[zinc valley]

Okay, just did my first dungeon as prot +18 sbg for practice

succeded

succeeded

[warm plinth]

pog

[zinc valley]

felt like my dmg could be a bit better, survivability was decent just a couple of scares, used 1 health pot

[warm plinth]

proud of you boo

[zinc valley]

❤️ thanks

[warm plinth]

Did you end up running spell block?

[zinc valley]

negative

felt like to start ..better to lessen the buttons.

[warm plinth]

Was curious; some people like to run it in there for the void slashes at the beginning

But it has no real use after that

Since nothing else is scary for us

[zinc valley]

Yeah the voidslashes were like wtf

I thought my gear was broken lol

but stuns..etc help a lot

[warm plinth]

lmaooo

[zinc valley]

feels like a lot of utility, just got to get used to knowing when to shield wall and rally cry

[warm plinth]

What's really fun is when you get nailed with the debuff from the voidmender

That shit is spooky

[zinc valley]

yessire

i used last stand only once tho, feels like theres a lot of things you can press.. just got to get the muscle memory and timing

[warm plinth]

Yeah last stand is not something I press super often. The only like, I will absolutely press it on this fight times are RLP 2nd boss and TJS 3rd boss lol. Maybe Crawth

[zinc valley]

I was using shield bash to stun - is it better to use for burst on pack?

[warm plinth]

Yeah you always send all your offensive CDs on cooldown

Demo first for the 20% damage bonus

Then CDs

[zinc valley]

I figured that would be better

[warm plinth]

They should all line up with it other than Avatar

But you don't hold anything either way. Avatar goes on CD as well

[zinc valley]

yeah i was surprised how fast i got avatar back . its awesome.

[warm plinth]

I believe on average it's like 35 sec CD with proper play

[zinc valley]

pain and gain was 10% of heals

1.96M

i probably couldve gotten indomitable up higher a bit

was looking at bars more than i ever have on any class in last 5 years lol

so shield slam will always be #1 and revenge #2 usually?

on meters

last but not least, whats avg uptime total run for shield block.

I want to focus first on improving keeping up ignore pain and shield block

[lusty grotto]

ss > tc=rev is usually my overall dmg

sb uptime as close to 100% as possible

95% at worst if looking at details due to any downtime

overall dmg also depends on the dungeon for 2nd and/or 3rd place, but SS will always be #1

[warm plinth]

You're my #1

gottem

[lusty grotto]

no

u

you are

my #1

[warm plinth]

don't stress about IP uptime. It's used to prevent rage overcapping when revenge isn't enough. You don't aim for a certain uptime. You should be able to have really high uptime on shield block but it's not really the overarching metric you want to look at. Log your runs and hover over the hits column in damage taken next to melee. You want at least 85% blocked hits

[daring marlin]

Ranged standing in rain of arrows is pretty pepega

[warm plinth]

Especially since you literally twitch to the side 1 time per cast

[daring marlin]

At least melee have the excuse of a big fatass centaur man in their face

[warm plinth]

lol

[daring marlin]

smh my head

[warm plinth]

Melee excuse: sorry I couldn't see the rain of arrow swirl because I was standin gin the war stomp swirl

which looks exactly the same

[daring marlin]

rofl

just 10x larger so it covers it

[warm plinth]

yup

[daring marlin]

kekw

I'm gonna miss Nokhud next season.

[zinc valley]

awesome to know. will do that next run

@lusty grotto Thanks !

details doesnt show that info wtf

[warm plinth]

show what info

[zinc valley]

how many hits blocked

maybe my ish is bugged ill update, but amount avoided shows ZERO lol

[pallid quiver]

You have to check that in logs

[zinc valley]

actually i only shows Ignore pain

Yeah thats crazy there isnt a plugin tho , details has so many stats

[pallid quiver]

Details doesn't necessarily specify how the damage you took broke down, which is what blocked hits is a part of

I wager you could probably finagle Details to show it, but it's not worth the leg work at all

[warm plinth]

Yeah it only shows in logs, sadly

what was your SB uptime?

[zinc valley]

81% 😦

[warm plinth]

Yeah chances are you're low then

[zinc valley]

odd i didnt die lol

but i got greedy sometimes and wanted to see the aoe

i was saying in my head "You are alive, every gcd counts, only dps right now"

😛 😛

[warm plinth]

Shield Block is off the GCD sir

lol

[zinc valley]

OMFG

LMAO

well thank god that was a joke and i wasnt relaly saying that lol

So if we have lust and high haste bursts shield block will keep getting refreshed with shield slam for a bit no?

[pallid quiver]

It just adds like half a second or whatever every slam

[unkempt hatch]

Darn TW quest. Gave me heroic Icon

[pallid quiver]

Raw casting it and Shield Charge are the two things that really give you the uptime on Shield Block

Remember that you can stack its duration up to 3x Shield Block uses

So 18 seconds without Enduring Defenses, 24 seconds with

[zinc valley]

ahhh!

yes yes.

ok so it really shouldnt be difficult to keep up

[pallid quiver]

Also, keep it up even for damage, even in most AOE, since it buffs Shield Slam damage

And Shield Slam with outburst is more damage in AOE than outburst TC until absurd target counts

[zinc valley]

Roger that

thank you, its pretty fun

I think after a few dungeons the muscle memory kicks in

have a lovely night guys

[unkempt hatch]

Do I need to track seeing red? Or it just happens?

[ionic fern]

Ideally you would want to track it so you can use it on SS.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it should be sent on SS pretty much all the time, even in AOE most times. The only times you wouldn't is if you're specifically fishing for damage in big aoe that rarely happens in either raid or keys atm

[ionic fern]

Hello Ghash, ily.

[warm plinth]

Hi Mwahi, ily2

I tanked a +20 on my warrior yesterday

[ionic fern]

How'd it go?

Even i haven't done a weekly 20 on mine yet.

[warm plinth]

It was fine. It was an SBG though. Void Slash fucked

[ionic fern]

Is it fortified?

[warm plinth]

idk what to do against that besides just running like a bitch I probably should've just run spell block

yeah

[ionic fern]

In theory you can outrange it.

But they cast it fairly frequently which makes it kinda hard.

[warm plinth]

Yeah I did that to a point but got unlucky and took 2 synced ones when I went back in to do damage

insta death

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

I was like oh I'll just go in and do a little clappy clap

dead

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it trucks.

I usually rotate defensives and then just kite.

[warm plinth]

Was fine after those 2 pulls though. Probably just run spell block next time because why not

[ionic fern]

I do run Spell Block everywhere tho..so that helps.

Won't do any good for the rest of the dungeon, but that's about the only scary part on Fortified so why not.

[warm plinth]

I haven't run spell block yet because I've been doing 16s at most before this lol

[pallid quiver]

I focus all my effort on stunning them, making sure my on CD shield charges go on the Skellies just in case, defensives

[warm plinth]

Yeah I rotated everything then just ran but then got greedy

[pallid quiver]

yeah no void slash will kill a mother fucker

[limpid anchor]

You can just back step them

[pallid quiver]

That and first boss' shadow daggers are the only thing I'm concerned about

[limpid anchor]

Snyc them up with stun / fear

[pallid quiver]

I trust nothing

[warm plinth]

You can't backstep void slash

[limpid anchor]

You can

[warm plinth]

Not without a significant slow

Which TC is not enough for

They move while casting it. You won't move fast enough

[limpid anchor]

K man

[warm plinth]

I mean, I've tried it lol. And even strafing away wasn't a guarantee that they wouldn't hit me if it had already begun casting

[limpid anchor]

They only move while casting if you move too early

Or the last 10 sbgs were a fluke

Who knows

[warm plinth]

Would love to see video proving me wrong

But I've tried it many times and never successfully backstepped it without a bigger slow than I can provide

[zinc valley]

@unkempt hatch I am using this

https://wago.io/qPuHZCbrN

I put it under my rage bar i got

it counts from up to down

itll turn green when its up

there are other ones

[unkempt hatch]

Oh that’s neat!

I haven’t gotten any WA together on warrior. Legit hit 70 and did tw quest.

[zinc valley]

theres full WA's together obv

I like piecing up my own and putting things diff places

[unkempt hatch]

Sitting at like 360some ilvl with catchup gear and whatnot

[warm plinth]

we love new warriors eager to learn

[pallid quiver]

we don't like guild leaders who come to shout at us for them not healing their tanks

[unkempt hatch]

It has felt better playing than when I originally picked up warrior. Just leveling from 61-70 and doing some DGs tw and a random heroic (I know not much of anything) but it was a start. Getting some muscle memory going. I need to be better at not capping rage. I also need to tweak my UI and get some WA before I start some m+

I didn’t realize that shield charge helps with block uptime. I didn’t know you could pool it like use it consecutively until today. So that’s fun

[ionic fern]

Teach me.

[pallid quiver]

unga bunga mwahi

face roll on keyboard

angy smash

[ionic fern]

😦

[onyx vessel]

[pallid quiver]

now you, too, are top 10 prot war

[onyx vessel]

Best way

Reroll prot pally s2

[zinc valley]

dump rage with revenge

[pallid quiver]

Specifically, it's the Bulwark talent that makes it do so. Otherwise, it's just damage

[unkempt hatch]

Yee

I currently tend to dump more into ignore pain, more than revenge. Which is probably wrong

But it gives me piece of mind until I learn better

[onyx vessel]

Nope

Revenge for what its dmg is ass

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Revenge effectively costs less rage over time than IP, since it can reset Shield Slam

[onyx vessel]

4p?

Thunderclap resets ss as well gives rage hits harder then revenge

[unkempt hatch]

So healthy mix of IP and Revenge? Gotta find the happy medium?

[onyx vessel]

Return of the bfa prot warr

[ionic fern]

If only.

[onyx vessel]

Normal playstyle ignoring 4pc

[onyx vessel]

Could be if your group had chad dps without jobs like top 10

[pallid quiver]

If you only use IP to avoid overcapping, when playing properly, you'll achieve the proper balance

You'll, in fact, need to use IP to avoid overcapping

Since it's oGCD

[onyx vessel]

Getting your ass destroyed lets hit revenge

Why did i die

[unkempt hatch]

I’ll probably use IP a lot more than revenge until I’m confident in my tanking on warrior. Who doesn’t like the fat shield

[onyx vessel]

Who doesn't like a fat shield

[pallid quiver]

It's not a very fat shield, and it'll get capped if you press it too much

On top of that, only 50% of damage you take every goes into it

It's not a life saving measure outside very specific attacks

[ionic fern]

Getting capped is w/e..what's the issue is that you'll just find yourself not having enough rage to SB when you're spamming IP.

Listen to me, i have a colored name, so i am knowledgeable.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah

[unkempt hatch]

I don’t spend until out out, just more IP than revenge

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

You should still default to spending rage with Revenge, since you get more rage overall from it, meaning more Indom/Anger Management/Etc

[unkempt hatch]

Ugh is sleeps time 😭 I’ll play around with Warrior Thursday

[pallid quiver]

Due to the SS resets

And SW+Indom's worth more than a cast of IP

[unkempt hatch]

Fair point 😭

[warm plinth]

Our names are colored too

[ionic fern]

That is true.

Listen to me, i have a distinguished colored name, so i am knowledgeable.

[pallid quiver]

but we poopy color because we bad

mwahi is blue like water because he is necessary for all life on this planet to live

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

He's not wrong

[pallid quiver]

all hail mwahi, caretaker of all life

[warm plinth]

We can't live without you Mwahi

[pallid quiver]

I feel like this is the wrong discord for this shitpost

[ionic fern]

WOAH SHITPOST?

Rude.

[warm plinth]

It's never shitpost when we're singing Mwahi's praises

[pallid quiver]

smh he's bringing the strikethrough text into the direct conversation

[ionic fern]

Only praises we should sing are to our god, Sense.

[pallid quiver]

It's the downside of being omniscient

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

I haven't pinged Sense in a while

He's a good boi

[pallid quiver]

Sense fits being a god since he rarely ever shows up and mingles with the common crowd

[ionic fern]

He's a busy man.

[pallid quiver]

Only blesses those who beseech him and are worthy of such with his words and wisdom

[ionic fern]

2 latest posts.

This is what we deserve.

And we are grateful for them.

[warm plinth]

Casual biweekly posts

[edgy locust]

Hi im new give me knowledge how to tank

[ionic fern]

Hello.
SS->TC->Revenge
Avatar/TR/SC on CD
SB->IP

You're welcome.

[pallid quiver]

hold w, mash buttons, blame DPS if you die

[warm plinth]

or the healer, depending on your mood that day

[pallid quiver]

If it's a boss, blame the healer

Trash, DPS

[warm plinth]

Mwahi casually forgetting all about Ravager

[edgy locust]

What is ss tv tr sc sb ip

Ip ignore pain ?

[ionic fern]

I don't use Ravager.

I got a new secret build.

[pallid quiver]

He's using Ravager II

[warm plinth]

SS - Shield Slam
TC - Thunder Clap
TR - Thunderous Roar
SC - Shield Charge
SB - Shield Block
IP - Ignore Pain

[edgy locust]

Tysm goos sirs

In azure vault first mobs who throw knives

[ionic fern]

Stun/LoS.

[edgy locust]

And deal dps what do u guys do to deal with them

[warm plinth]

Man, those crystal furies are a lot more badass if you look at it that way

Chucking knives at you like hulk ninjas

CC them or LoS them

[edgy locust]

Scary ninjas

Los ?

[ionic fern]

Line of sight.

[warm plinth]

Did you just not have a period

👀

[ionic fern]

No, i mistyped "sight" with a capital S.

[warm plinth]

oh lol

[pallid quiver]

Proper grammar is vital, Ghash.

[edgy locust]

What is that

[pallid quiver]

Without it, how do you know whether you know you're going to a party with the strippers, Stalin, and JFK, or the strippers, JFK and Stalin?

[warm plinth]

like if the o is the enemy and you're the x

o | x

the | is a wall

[ionic fern]

If you go behind a pillar or a wall so the enemies don't have direct line of sight with you, they stop casting.

[edgy locust]

Tysm guys ❤️

[warm plinth]

Any time friend

[ionic fern]

Diddn't your parents teach you that you can't be friends with strangers on the Internet?

[edgy locust]

No

[ionic fern]

Fair enough.

[edgy locust]

What about that fire panda in temlpe

In phase 2

Deals 120percent of ur hp

[warm plinth]

I'm friends with everyone in here

[ionic fern]

Rotate cooldowns. There's a pin about it here.

Help the healer with the heal absorb with Impending Victory / Last Stand, just don't pop them on the same strike.

[warm plinth]

Mwahi what is the highest you've pushed this season?

[ionic fern]

eh?

Score wise?

Think i'm at 3k for a few months now.
Haven't done anything in m+ since.

[warm plinth]

Just curious what the highest key you did was

[ionic fern]

Eee..

24 something..

[edgy locust]

Ty

Mostly i cant manage my rage

So most of the time i dont have enough rage for defensive lvls

On phases

[warm plinth]

Defensives don't cost rage

Impending Victory is the only thing he mentioned that costs rage, and it's only 10

[edgy locust]

Make sense

[coarse ginkgo]

Hey guys, had some feedback yesterday from yall. Working on it. Just wanted to see what you guys think of our healing. Is it low or bad?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vF4PJamW7y6XYhgV#fight=12&type=healing

We are obviously all friends in the guild and would like some independent feedback I can take to the healers. Thanks!

If no one knows healing that much, I can def ask elsewhere.

[limpid anchor]

My guild is currently at brood as well, and I would say yes, it probably is

[shell mortar]

Probably the wrong discord to ask for healer advice. We only zug zug here, sir

[pallid quiver]

I didn't mention the last log you brought, but there wasn't much healing coming on to you when you died last log

I can check this time around more specifically since it's directly relevant, but I'm not quite as good at evaluating healing

[coarse ginkgo]

It's all good, thanks last night Luerce for the feedback last night. I did alot better.

Yeah I kinda know the healing isn't great.

But maybe I'm being a pussy, we all friends and I just want some people outside my circle to confirm.

[pallid quiver]

It seems at a quick glance like things go relatively fine until some mechanics get mis-handled around 6:30, leading to the Prevoker's death

[limpid anchor]

You shouldn’t let the adds hit the poor warlock tho

[pallid quiver]

Everything just kinda boils down from there

Adeelle's boss tank

[limpid anchor]

Ah well, still!

[pallid quiver]

and anyhow, they're demo so they deserve it

[coarse ginkgo]

Thanks guys!

[limpid anchor]

Why do you run all 3 sb talents tho

Dont need bolster if you have the left one for perma uptime

[pallid quiver]

@coarse ginkgo It looks like the biggest thing you can do to eek out the extra survival to get the last bit down is to get a bit more defensive use out of your group. The Prevoker who died probably should have had Obsidian Scales available again around the time they died, so they could have reduced the damage intake on themselves and likely lived if they did use it then. In terms of just your own sheer survival and the other tank, as well as healing output, it all seems fine enough to clear

[coarse ginkgo]

Well that's kinda the thing, not sure and learning. But if are healing isn't good maybe i'm just playing around bad healing. Also anything I picked was from feed back from other warriors so just going with that.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you only ever need 2 of the three SB talents to get SB uptime

In raid, you generally swap off HR for ITF, since you can ensure 5 stacks of it up at all times since you have a crew of buddies to hang out with since there's 20 of you and all

[coarse ginkgo]

Right

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, there was never a time were BSV did anything of note, so you should definitely swap that back to Booming Voice; not only is that more damage, it's more rage for survival. With your 9 casts of Demo Shout, that could have been almost 3 whole rage bars by itself

[limpid anchor]

I was wondering about that but cant check on mobile

Bsv never procced when it would have mattered right

Wish they would fix it

[amber siren]

If you’re boss tanking brood you’d usually keep HR

On mobile so not sure which one you were on

[pallid quiver]

Boss, so yeah

I'd wager Bolster into TaN is what you'd want for boss tank on that fight specifically, but for most raid fights you'll rock ITF

[pallid quiver]

And specifically, he never dropped to the point BSV would've kicked in outside of "encounter's already pretty bunk" territory

[sick sentinel]

hey all new to max level prot gonna focus on KSM anyone know a good talent set up for keys

[ionic fern]

Hello.

[sick sentinel]

cheers

[dull hamlet]

Any specific tips for surviving the last trash pack in TJS?

[limpid anchor]

Use spell block / sr

Coordinate aoe cc

After just run if needed

[dull hamlet]

Would u pop spell block early?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

Bcs everytime i didnt i got popped

[hardy snow]

first use CC, then SR, then spell block, by the end of spell block some of CC should be back in case pack is still alive

after good stuns casts should be lined up so you can reflect few at once with SR

[limpid anchor]

Even if you use stun and sr, they might not be aligned correctly

And then you get popped

[hardy snow]

also dont forget shield wall

[dull hamlet]

Cheers, will try coordinate this with my group!

[ionic fern]

SW/SR into Spell Block is my usual "go-to".

[jagged pier]

not doing the key is my usual go -to

[ionic fern]

Understandable.

[dull hamlet]

I guess this weeks affix makes the trash pack extra rough..

[ionic fern]

That's been my go-to as well.

[limpid anchor]

Bolsters dark claw :)

[ionic fern]

Sounds like a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge reflect.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[topaz field]

we had a mistress in cos yesterday

1.8 million

juicer reflect

[limpid anchor]

Mistress is such a fun designed mob

At least on war :)

[hardy snow]

especially fun when you accidentally use SR on something else right before her hit

[verbal wren]

At least you can easily walk out of that one when you do that. Dark claw I think you can technically backstep, but it doesn't leave you much time

[sick sentinel]

well, i get a chance at a 418 m+ item

[shell mortar]

Use a stop for the mistress

Quick fingers

*if you don't have SR available

Recommend saving your fear for her since high chance they'll be stub immune if the pull lasts for a bit

[verbal wren]

You don't even need to stop it. Just back step a little and it doesn't hit you.

[lucid lotus]

yo is there any sheet like for example saying what defensives to use on what

[ionic fern]

No,not outside of the Blockable/Reflectable sheet.

[pallid quiver]

use spell reflect on magic and shield wall on everything?

Unfortunately, it generally depends on what's causing your trouble and how your defensives are available or not

So other than the reflect/blockable cheat sheet, it's something you need to figure out what you want to use on something and what you'll have available

[uneven mason]

It's a play by feel

You'll just kinda learn what's going to hurt over time.

(hint, if it's a bleed it's going to hurt)

[lucid lotus]

Ye because i noticed prot has some long 3 min defensives

Just wondering where u use that mostly on m+

Surely whenever u run low

Or sum like that

[uneven mason]

It's not really 3m

Shield wall is around a minute with proper gameplay

Demo shout is 45s

Spell reflect is 25s

If you mean last stand, yeah it's 3minutes but it's not a strong defensive, mostly use it to boost IP cap or impending victory healing

[lucid lotus]

So its basically keep building and speing on ip

[uneven mason]

Keep shield blockup

Shield block is our primary defense, ip we dump excess rage into when we don't have enough gcd to spend it on revenge

Since IP is off the gcd

You'll prioritize shield slam - thunderclap and then revenge (to fish for a SS reset)

[somber sky]

If you have an IP tracker, you can notice you'll be able to build a shield worth 3 IP casts.

[jagged pier]

thats kinda of irrelevant because youll spend rage on IP even if its capped

if your playing correctly

[somber sky]

true I only mean to say that you'll never not spend rage on IP :v

and AM as a result would bring down CD on the long devensives down by a lot

Next tier i'm curious if LS will be used on CD.

[uneven mason]

The only time IP tracking comes into play, maybe is if there is a massive hit coming and you want to assure the absorb is capped (it's 2/3 of your hp iirc) but that's not very frequent and just not something you'll do once you're used to fights

[somber sky]

kinda defeats the purpose of being the "last stand" if it's used that way :v

[jagged pier]

from the numbers its doing right now

u arent gunna be running bolster

[somber sky]

well hyrja's beam hits kinda hard

[uneven mason]

Tbh the 3rd boss tjs is the first time I've regularly used LS as a CD, and that's to knock off a chunk of the healing absorb

[sick sentinel]

yes, i ALWAYS defensive stance, leap, IP on hyrja beam now

[somber sky]

oh yeah that boss too. how could I possibly forget that one

[sick sentinel]

usually i end up leaving on defensive until wolf phase 1

HEY who left my D-stance on for the last 5 minutes......

[uneven mason]

Hryja you should have DS/defensive/SR available for each one

Because you're out of melee defensive doesn't matter for the DPS loss

[somber sky]

ah yeah i sometimes throw out ds

[uneven mason]

And then alternate SW and spell block

It's rough taking splock in hov though because that timer is obscene so dropping the DPS is feelsbad

[topaz field]

hov is a free timer

but its a tough dungeon

but having a clean run with good routing will be very ez on time

[uneven mason]

It's a long dungeon and that timer isn't free

Yeah clean runs, the dream

[topaz field]

we timed it with full melee comp on 25 fort bolster

and 2 capped aoe classes

so ig the timer is legit free

[somber sky]

god this is such a spicy take, I've had multiple 0 death big pull runs where the packs just don't die at all because dps is pisslow for the ilvl that they were wearing.

[topaz field]

i can imagine hov becomes very tight in pugs especially if mystics arent interrupted properly

but the timer is one of the most chill ones

[somber sky]

healers are always kicked but the frontals keep fucking people up and no one kicks the thunder dots at all

[topaz field]

after several nerfs at the beginning of the season towards timer and boss hp

[somber sky]

even then the dungeon just takes too long for people to clear it. IDK where everyone keeps using their CDs

[daring marlin]

?

The thunder dot can't be kicked

[somber sky]

oh true, I meant defensive usage there is p poor

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-han-solo-usually-is-always-is-star-wars-battlefront-ii-gif-25715262

[uneven mason]

Personal responsibility from pug dps

We don't have a gif to convey my level of cynicism for this.

[sick sentinel]

hold up i got u

[daring marlin]

shit not a gif

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-annoyed-gif-21561340

[sick sentinel]

okay ill stop

[rigid sigil]

whats better

warrior tank

or paladin tank

huh?

[limpid anchor]

Paladin

[remote venture]

But warrior is best in heart. Unbiased

[uneven mason]

I used to be like: the differences between tanks only matters in content that 99% of players will never do, and then I saw the affixes for season 2. Literally engineered for protection paladins to hard counter each one.

Evil dead vines grabbing ya - I gotta blessing for that.

ghosties doing mean casts that'll slow you down, let me ring my bell or shine my glowy ass.

Explosives gonna blow you up, don't worry, have a bubble and instant full hp, one for you and one for you and one for you.

Sick dudes complaining? Word of glory will nip that.

Meanwhile we can't even meme bandage the one affix.

But warriors are still better.

[shrewd grove]

Counterpoint. Paladins are fucking losers who need magic to do shit. I just yell really loud and hit shit with my sword

[uneven mason]

Warriors magic comes from inside.

[hardy snow]

hit shit with shield*

[balmy canyon]

Pallys riding high until the nerf hammer slams them back to the dust

[shrewd grove]

Inb4 I rebind whirlwind to prove you wrong

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/madge-gif-23552833

[shrewd grove]

Lmao that is a fantastic gif

[uneven mason]

Unlikely to happen, it's in Chris Metzen's contract that paladins remain meta

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJ6N6xSECQ todays vault for me, i m gettin hosed some how i only have a 418 and 415 option, no 3rd option at all

I've been playing Fury for a while and I'm like 2900, but my group wants me to start tanking because our tank sucks

How long is it gonna take me to feel comfortable tanking 22's man

[hardy snow]

you forgot to do 8th key? 😄

[uneven mason]

That's up to you

[sick sentinel]

Doing 18s and I'm like Wtf is going on

[uneven mason]

What issues are you having?

[sick sentinel]

i did like, 3 SBG's ones a 18 so i get 418, then i did a 16 hov

and then a 5 sbg for some reason

[sick sentinel]

Doing larger pulls, feels like 1-2 mobs are just always hitting my healer or someone else

i aboslutely hate like, 3 or 4 of the dungeons this season

NO COS, dog shit imo

[hardy snow]

there are plenty of mobs that have ranged attacks or spell casts on random targets so not everything will hit you

[sick sentinel]

not a fan of vaults either

[uneven mason]

So, if they're jumping the gun and getting ahead of you or trucking on mobs that you haven't hit yet...

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

academy is just right

[uneven mason]

But like casters don't obey threat with their casts

[sick sentinel]

I see

So could be me just tweaking for no reason

if you have logs post em

someone smarter than me will get back to u

[uneven mason]

You've gotta babysit mobs in, like if you're tagging with prox aggro and then leaping away

They'll charge to your healer

[sick sentinel]

heroic throw once or twice on ranged/caster mobs, taunt on melee

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I will do a run after reset and post something

I think that might be it

[uneven mason]

But we have a lot of aggro tools, ravager, roar, revenge, shield charge, thunderclap

[sick sentinel]

I'm not babysitting as I should be

Just kind of tagging and moving along

[hardy snow]

you can't babysit

[sick sentinel]

Expecting theyll stay on me

Or make their way to me

[hardy snow]

your team must know when to start hitting shit

and when to wait for you to group it

if you are grouping mobs and they pop out their CDs, you cant do much about it

[uneven mason]

Use battle stance, focus on DPS and the tanking part kinda happens

[sick sentinel]

main thing i know is just use big taunt on start of pulls and then use as many dps CDs as is nesscary and hit aoe-ish rotation buttons

[sick sentinel]

Now that's wild lol

[verbal wren]

def this if it's an organized group, they should know when to start hitting and not go early

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha ok

[uneven mason]

Like don't full stop babysit mobs

[sick sentinel]

Based on what you guys are saying

I think I just dont have enough reps

[uneven mason]

But don't just fart at them and think they'll follow

[sick sentinel]

definitely gotta do avatar, demo, shield charge, thunderclap on start

[hardy snow]

not only organized group, even if pugs - if you see your tank just touched mob and continues to run - you hold on

[verbal wren]

Yeah but if it's an organized group I normally can just thunderclap the first pack and get it to come to the second without wasting more time.

Well I agree, but maybe your pug luck is better than mine haha

[sick sentinel]

along with the big taunt to make sure you will not lose agro, some dps are really bursty built and they start combat with a 200k crit, so then get huge aggro

[uneven mason]

Warriors are high APM, we don't have open GCD we don't sit on resources, we don't sit on CD

We just send it

[sick sentinel]

anger mastery, find out what it means to me

[verbal wren]

When you say that's wild, do you mean battle stance? you should definitely be in battle stance.

[sick sentinel]

No, the frame of mind that Im just DPS'ing

and the tanking is happening

[verbal wren]

Ah okay yeah, just max dps and you'll be doing well

[uneven mason]

That's how we work

[sick sentinel]

My healer keeps saying the same thing

[ruby vortex]

just remember that shield block is a DPS buff

[analog gulch]

Hi guys I have been looking everywhere for tank changes in S2 I have a warrior and DK both geared up to 418 but can’t figure out whether to go back prot or stay on the BDK next season. From what I’ve seen both tier sets look strong what’s the general opinion

[sick sentinel]

That my shield block uptime of like 82% is good at the end of every run

But yeah, threat in larger groups has been the most glaring issue

[uneven mason]

If you want another mind-blowing moment, spending rage in ignore pain is an offensive action

[sick sentinel]

other than that, using abbilities in the right order

but I think that will come with reps

[verbal wren]

You want to look at % blocked hits rather than SB uptime

[uneven mason]

Because of anger management and outburst

[jagged pier]

logs

the amount of time ppl say x and they are doing y

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I'll log and upload today

[sick sentinel]

Good to know

[uneven mason]

SS TC revenge that's the gcd priority,

[jagged pier]

play what u enjoy most

[sick sentinel]

10-4

[uneven mason]

Don't cap Rage, keep shield block up

[mental scarab]

Just slam your head on the keyboard

[lime urchin]

Practising not having any rage wasted at the end of a m+ run is a fabulous learning curve itself

[dusky canopy]

SS owns

[uneven mason]

What happens when you overcap rage irl

[dusky canopy]

[analog gulch]

This is what I’m stuck with I enjoy both, prot being able to just stand there and laugh.

BDK - listening to the healers crying as you let yourself drop to 30% then slap deathstrike 😂

[sick sentinel]

Appreciate you guys and all your feedback

Feel like I'm pretty good at Fury/Arms, this feels like I'm playing a new class lol

The control you have in how a key goes is pretty epic though

And understanding ideal positioning for melee DPS helps me position pulls well too

[uneven mason]

Just approach it like you're DPS, working on the pull methods, and yeah some logs will go a long way in seeing what gaps you have.

[sick sentinel]

tell EVERYONE

ALWAYS

behind monster

no matter what

no exuses

the frame monster turns at them, they gotta move so they don't get hit by random bullshit cleves

seen so many die to random mortal hews

[mental scarab]

Yeas 100%

[daring marlin]

Hero Class™

[sick sentinel]

Thanks again sir

Will report back soon

[mental scarab]

Thats How my frends die

When i turn and share the cleave

[sacred sleet]

Is Granyth's Enduring Scale garbo ?

[sick sentinel]

i knew i was getting hosed on this vault

[viral elk]

Wore a 421 scale in a 20 last night just to see. It was 6% of my healing on meters, but thats only the shield activating, not how much it absorbed. Pretty low.

[sick sentinel]

i guess thats a helmet for me

[sacred sleet]

@viral elk i see cheers

[ruby vortex]

vault of disappointment strikes again

[sick sentinel]

at least can get 418 set helmet

[amber siren]

it is time, the serotonin is finally flooding back

[misty moss]

Guys 421 tier chest OR 411 Manic Grieftorch

[uneven mason]

What's the torch up against?

But like a 421 basically locks in the slot

[misty moss]

assume the chest is a 415 Inferno BIS and the trinket it's up against is a 415 Hunger + Whetstone combo

[uneven mason]

[misty moss]

Already simming it

But I don't have those pieces yet so it's not a good sim

[uneven mason]

That's pretty close but leaning towards the chest from a raw stat point of view

[misty moss]

^ same

Yeah it's showing me manic is a 6k dps increase atm

which makes sense as I don't have whetstone and hunger yet, but can farm them

grabbed chest, 421 raw stat is too good

[tropic gorge]

Well my guild did it. Last night we downed brood and started our raz (h) pulls. Only got a few in last night, but we did phase before wiping and running out of time

[misty moss]

gz man!

[tropic gorge]

We killed brood in one week. I'm proud of us

We are on track currently to snipe aotc just before the end

Next season we won't be so far behind the curve. We had major, major tank hangups during our normal and starting heroic clear until I was able to get the co tank spot full time. And in almost a month now we haven't had any major hangups and have made very good progress

[urban portal]

Details is absorbed

[sick sentinel]

this damn game wants to give me all the raid trinkets

[grizzled kite]

Heroic

[sick sentinel]

ye, 5 TW

for real, all of those are from TW reward boxes + got heroic shield from it too (appearance for mog)

[topaz field]

i have 14 kills on mythic council and about 10 more on hc still lacking icon

[sick sentinel]

i've killed like, 5 bosses, total in raid

all of them would have been dps lfr

[grizzled kite]

missing rumbling ruby

[stuck peak]

yall will get it. We started super later too. We downed raz a week ago or so. Just keep poking at it and you'll be set

[lucid lotus]

No more loot for you the whole expac gg

[unkempt hatch]

My tw box gave me heroic icon too @sick sentinel 😂

I wanted brood shield

[sick sentinel]

like, there was 2 trinkets from ep

never replaced them once i got them only recently vendored if i did

[grim compass]

So I'm using Sustained Strength {111STR/300Stam} for my chest enchant but wowhead says to use Waking Stats {150STR}! Is the 39 STR better then 300 stam?

[grizzled kite]

Strength is always our best preferred stat

[haughty lance]

As long as u don't die

[grim compass]

K Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

nop, too bad, im gettin all the loot

[modern brook]

stam is just health, str is damage, armor, AP scalinging on ip, (other things im likely forgetting)

the overall impact 40 str will have over 300 stam is much higher

[cerulean tusk]

This whole tier, and I have not seen grieftorch drop more than once. When it happened a guy left that didn't get it

Even though he had one waiting in his vault

Next tier I will get the grieftorch insta.

[daring marlin]

damn bro prep legs had like 45% uptime in the last M+ I did

spiteful op

[dusky canopy]

It’s spiteful this week? What else?

[daring marlin]

quaking

ez week

[dusky canopy]

Ohh bett

Free keys this week

[daring marlin]

only thing that sucks is tyrannical

[hazy hazel]

Can Arms spec get 1h weapons from vault?

[unkempt hatch]

Weird question, how do warriors deal with raz beam in p3?

[grizzled kite]

Spell Block is good

[hazy hazel]

Thundering blast?

[grizzled kite]

But Shield Wall/IP and or healer external

[unkempt hatch]

Coming from DK I’m just used to vamp AMS and not have to worry about it

Just was curious

[daring marlin]

No.

[dusky canopy]

Nah, but fury can

[hazy hazel]

Ahhh ok 👍. My warrior doesn’t have 421 icon yet so wanted to open vault as a dps spec without closing the door on a potential 421 weapon.

[warm plinth]

Icon drops for all specs

[jagged pier]

u literally have spell block SW SR and Dstance up for every beam

u take no damage

[unkempt hatch]

Cool cool Ty (:

Sorry for dumb question, warrior is far outside of my WoW knowledge. I appreciate the help (:

I was reading the Vdh way to deal with it and it seemed like a Pain in the butt. Lol. So I was curious how easy it was for other tanks.

Sucks I won’t have a vault for most of my tanks this week. I think only my BDK and my Druid have vault options. Maybe a VDH low key vault

[sick spruce]

what are good trinkets for prot? I'm trying to get a tank spec together after playing as fury

right now I have puzzle box, trampling hooves, whetstone, big toe, and decoration of flame (only 402 ilvl though)

[nocturne spindle]

from dungeons whetstone and blazebinders hoof

[sick spruce]

so I should definitely have whetstone on?

[mighty valley]

whetstone and hooves are probably the best from what you have

whetstone is v strong unless it's like, baby ilvl

[sick spruce]

its 402 and can be upgraded

[undone verge]

yeah upgrade that and put it on

[sick spruce]

ty

[daring marlin]

last boss in nokhud is so fuckin' sketch as pally compared to warrior

spell reflect op

[mighty valley]

same with last boss AV

[daring marlin]

first too

[mighty valley]

other tanks sweat over every dragon strike

[daring marlin]

rofl

at least dragon strike is dispellable

although using bubble for busters feels like cheating

[warm plinth]

Just think to yourself, prot warriors can do what this long ass CD bubble is doing every 20 seconds

[daring marlin]

spell reflect will always be amazing

I can't wait for underrot

first boss reflect

[warm plinth]

I want cathedral back so I can reflect chaotic energies

[daring marlin]

fuck that place

aids

[toxic gyro]

It got heavily nerfed even back in day, will see even bigger nerf now.

Or blizzard will make a deflect. They don’t like big reflects from warriors.

[warm plinth]

What got heavily nerfed

[urban bane]

"they don't like big reflects from warriors"

bro have you stepped inside nokhud?

[warm plinth]

That's completely untrue XD

[urban bane]

they had a whole ass season to change the tornado boss or the last boss xD

[daring marlin]

for real

I like my pally on trash but I much prefer my warrior on the bosses

reflect too stronk

trivializing caster mobs is the best

[mighty valley]

this is my favorite kind of dooming

just say some shit with absolutely no evidence behind it

hell yeah, feel worse for no reason my brother

[warm plinth]

should we talk about how SR has basically never been nerfed

[mighty valley]

Blizzard Hates It

[jagged pier]

last time Spell reflect got changed in SLs it got buffed

[daring marlin]

just insert people complaining about dragon strike being a deflect instead of a reflect

[jagged pier]

and hasnt been changed since

[daring marlin]

It's not enough that you deflect one of the hardest hitting busters atm

nah fam sr sux cuz you deflect instead of reflecting it

[warm plinth]

I'll deflect your hard hitting buster

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

gottem

[jagged pier]

it doesnt matter if it defelcts or not it still does it job of stopping damage

[toxic gyro]

A lot of spells is a deflect,

[jagged pier]

and reducing damage for the next 6 seconds

[toxic gyro]

Both bosses in av are deflects

[daring marlin]

I agree

[toxic gyro]

And the list goes on

[warm plinth]

that's not a nerf. It's still a massive mitigation of damage lol

[daring marlin]

an insane amount

[warm plinth]

And they would've had to do damage in the first place for it to be a nerf

[toxic gyro]

I didn’t argue it’s not a great dmg mitigation

Just said that dmg from bolts on first boss in underrot was nerfed

[warm plinth]

this is what you said

How does that equate to the bolts from the boss being nerfed

[toxic gyro]

Yes reflect got nerfed with dmg being lowered from bolts

They heavily reduced dmg bolts dealt = reflect was doing less

And I also said that bolts on this boss in season two will do most likely even less, bc even after nerfs they were hitting hella hard

[strong forum]

that has very little to do with "nerfing SR"

but i do agree that SR in SL was very underwhelming

[warm plinth]

They can't just keep making the bolts do less damage because then the boss doesn't do anything lol. It's already a joke of a boss, reflect or not

[strong forum]

which one

[warm plinth]

the first boss of Underrot

[strong forum]

so i figured correctly, that boss was undoable in S1 without pwar in ultra keys

because it scaled out of control

if you didnt kill the boss within 1 minute you would wipe

[warm plinth]

yep

[strong forum]

cuz of infinite mirror images

[nocturne zodiac]

hello friends! 421 trampling hooves or 415 blazebinder's hoof. mostly doing m+.

[strong forum]

hoof

[warm plinth]

Nome, would you like to hear something absolutely heartbreaking

[strong forum]

hit me

[warm plinth]

My warrior just got the first 421 weapon of the season for any of my toons

It's a 2-hander 🙃

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-anyway-gif-19022587

[nocturne zodiac]

would you use it on CD basically? other trinket is a whetstone

[strong forum]

ya pmuch

[warm plinth]

so basically I'm gonna spend the day sobbing

on the plus side I can recraft my shield to 418 finally

[toxic gyro]

That and it required too many kicks, means range we’re not very viable

[strong forum]

after S1 it was w/e

when it always only spawned 1 image

free af boss

[warm plinth]

yep just became a kick rotation at that point

[strong forum]

the bolt just still just did 1shot levels of damage, thats why SR was so good then, cuz they just never adjusted the dmg

not enough*

[median tulip]

I did that and then instantly got a 421 Shield

[uneven mason]

More reflectable spells like the eyebeam in upper karaplz

[toxic gyro]

That was fun especially with double spell reflect legendary

[last mason]

this might be silly but is there any reason to press ip besides anger management if you're only taking physical dmg

assuming u have block up

[toxic gyro]

It reduces dmg you take furthermore

Block doesn’t stop 100% of the physical dmg

[chilly brook]

Yes, it’s called not capping rage

You can’t just say “besides anger management”

Considering how pivotal that alone is

[median tulip]

IP is not a button that you press for the absorb. It is a button you press to cycle Rage throughput, which happens to grant an absorb shield as an additional effect

[uneven mason]

AM is like the core of how warriors work

[last mason]

bear with me tho, then why wouldnt u just dump with revenge

[nocturne spindle]

you physically cannot

[tropic tangle]

IP is off GCD, you will absolutely overcap or lose usage on higher prio abilities if all you do is use revenge for dump

[nocturne spindle]

you generate it too fast

[modern brook]

how am i supposed to revenj if i have to shield slam 😦

[median tulip]

You do prefer to dump with Revenge (for Tier uptime, if nothing else), or with Execute, but as people have said... ain't enough GCDs to dump it all

[modern brook]

the pain is too great

i guess I'll just have to ignore it 😦

[blazing condor]

real

[strong forum]

There are pills for that

[modern brook]

forwhat?

[unkempt hatch]

Blue ones?

[strong forum]

I think the blue ones can actually increase pain

[unkempt hatch]

Oh, that explains a lot.

[chilly brook]

You literally do not have enough globals to do so

You will be wasting rage

Pressing only revenge and not pressing IP legitimately is a significant DPS loss

The answer isn’t one or the other

It’s press both

And use IP to ensure you don’t cap

[grizzled kite]

Both, at the same time, all the time

[mighty valley]

every part of this question was a little confused

[median tulip]

We get similar questions a lot. To be fair to newcomers to Warrior, it's not exactly immediately obvious that the actual directly effect of Ignore Pain isn't what we actually use it for.

[mighty valley]

sure, the actual text doesn't describe how you press the button

but we get to press it so much that it does add up to real meaningful damage reduction

so the idea of "what does this even do when i have shield block up" is a little weird

[median tulip]

It does, but you get people who assume that capping Ignore Pain is a thing we care about

Rather than (as most of us realise) pressing Ignore Pain in order to proc Anger Management

[thick venture]

How much "item level" does a gem slot count as? Is there a way to math that?

[undone verge]

sim it

[unkempt hatch]

This gives me idea. Macro both together

[median tulip]

13 ilvls on a ring is roughly the same amount of secondaries as a dual-stat Rank 3 gem, IIRC

On anything other than Jewelery though, the question is meaningless because other items have Primary Stat

[strong forum]

Depends on which slot

Cloak/wrist a socket is worth like 6ish ilvl iirc

Cuz they have fuckall stats

[median tulip]

If only sockets on Cloaks were a thing

[thick venture]

Thank you! @strong forum @median tulip

[blazing condor]

i rate the skribblio avatar

[crystal mauve]

Might be belt and wrist*

[strong forum]

I lowkey miss skribblio with my old guild

That shit was so much content

[sick sentinel]

ms paint is truly art

anybody with windows can create one

[misty moss]

Shield a good thing to upgrade to 418 first?

[grizzled kite]

yes

[unkempt hatch]

What gear token would give a shield. Accessory?

[daring marlin]

weapon

[torn gulch]

in my opinion you want your 418 upgrades to go shield/weapon/lariat

and then your 447 upgrades shield/weapon next patch because lariat will need a full gem setup to be bis again

[warm plinth]

Accessory would be trinkets normally

[sick sentinel]

shield is main thing you want ilvl on first

[unkempt hatch]

Maybe I’ll just get hero shield from eranog. 🙈😭

[sick sentinel]

and its double for us cuz of our tool kit

after that, weapon so you hit harder, then big stat pieces (helmet, chest legs)

bigger shield = bigger don't die

[unkempt hatch]

I am missing shield and pants rn. Everything else is mostly 385 token 😂🙈

Maybe tw will give me 411 shield from brood

[sick sentinel]

well, if ur gunna craft shit, craft shield, weapon, then ur 2 embellshment, then food pretty much in that order

[warm plinth]

My pally got 411 shield last week

[unkempt hatch]

This late into 10.0.7 I might send some chaos over and craft a while

Shield

Get quest to kill raz and sent chaos to make a 405 haste/vers shield

[sick sentinel]

haste + choice really

[unkempt hatch]

Oh really?

I just assumed haste/vers

[sick sentinel]

we just want tons of secondary stats in general all of them

but mostly haste

its like warring faction crit gang mastery boys and versa nerds

niether of them makes very good arguments half the time

[unkempt hatch]

I just thought haste vers was the play 🙈😭 I’m a noob

[sick sentinel]

crit is more for keys, cuz it gives parry, mastery is just.... meh but people believe it it, yeah ur right though, most ppl probably go haste versa

[unkempt hatch]

I mostly raid tank. Also this late in season it’s meh

Nice you can always change stats with new missives and recrafts

[warm plinth]

Stats aren't going to have a major impact on survival generally, as long as you're not dropping ilevel to get them

[unkempt hatch]

I do like how stats are rn for most classes. It’s not a huge issue just ilvl over specific stats

That’s nice

[wary spire]

I think I will switch to tank in s2. What am I in for?

[warm plinth]

idk, have you ever tanked before?

[misty moss]

tanking in wow is like buying a premium subscription... it's a different game

[wary spire]

I have in lower keys, but now I want to main it 100%

[warm plinth]

Then it'll probably be a significant change, especially with having to learn all the new routes and mechanics of the new dungeons

[grizzled kite]

If you want to, you can already now look at some videos going through the very basics of PTR findings for tanks.

The hardest part about tanking is putting up with other people though

Pugging ain't easy

[lucid pasture]

holy moly

bros got an obsession fr

[warm plinth]

What's wrong with telling my friend I love him sir

Also he says it back so

[sick sentinel]

back to doom 2 evilution

this is really the pits expansion 😦

[grizzled kite]

Strike Twice 421 is our BIS in keys right?

[uneven mason]

yup

[grizzled kite]

Prayge hope it's in the vault

It's in the hands of the gods now

that or Eranog ring is the only useful upgrade

or Mythic Torch

[warm plinth]

well if you don't already have a 421 weapon then all 421 weapons are an upgrade

[grizzled kite]

sound logic

words of wisdom right there

Runescaping while reset

[ashen harness]

when is the deadline for doing keys? i recall that changing not too long ago

[strong forum]

For EU reset is 5am

So in ~1hr45min

[ashen harness]

1h45

ty

[crude notch]

It's okay @lucid pasture , ily.

Not as much as @warm plinth though, let's be clear.

[ashen harness]

what do people think of warrior in season 2?

[strong forum]

It's very shield slammy

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kvdwEq0plo

i know im dumb, but uh, i dont really get the joke

i' don't think i've ever heard of "log off inn keeper gatekeepers"

[strong forum]

I think thats a clash of clans meme

Or some type of mobile game

That makes currently it's rounds

[sage yacht]

holy fuck

cringehold

[ashen harness]

i dont know how i feel about the tier bonuses tbh.. is it cool to have abilities be offensive, and defensive at the same time? Cause in practise, they're essentially just making last stand an offensive CD, cause noone will be using it defensively if they wanna play on any high level

just feels awkward

or am i having a bad take?

[sage yacht]

nalv have you played guardian druid in the past?

[ashen harness]

in dragonflight

shadowlands**

season 1-4

[sick sentinel]

i see loads of not paladins and warriors get invited to keys

at like 16 -20s

[sage yacht]

oh fuck mate

[unkempt hatch]

Damn vault 😭

[sage yacht]

youre him

[sick sentinel]

cuz i got some WA or addon taht shows classes already in the group before i join

[unkempt hatch]

421 icon on my dk. I wanted the ring or 415 2hand 😭

[sick sentinel]

i got a 408 icon today, but i won't complain

[warm plinth]

Why tf is everyone so concerned with my messages to Mwahi lmfao

[unkempt hatch]

My warrior got a 408 icon yesterday

[warm plinth]

Imagine being so insecure that that's cringe to you

[strong forum]

Our tier is a solid 3/10

[sage yacht]

@ashen harness mate do you have ur own guild now or r u still raidleading pugs

[strong forum]

Warri will play the exact same next patch, except that you'll use LS offensively

And thats about it

Dungeons are much worse

[ashen harness]

wait where do i know you from?

[crude notch]

Just makes me want to come by everyday and say it to you and @ionic fern

[warm plinth]

[sage yacht]

you were the god pug raidleader in cn mate

🙏🏼🙏🏼

[ashen harness]

how you remember me from so long ago :kekw

oh right no emojies here

besides inhouse ones :madge:

[crude notch]

[grizzled kite]

DELETE

[warm plinth]

Just bypass it with stickers 🙂

[ashen harness]

ye i got a CE guild now

[sage yacht]

cus our whole guild was memeing you like 2 seasons after you left still

[ashen harness]

after i left what?

[sage yacht]

oh nvm

think you were kicked

[ashen harness]

i think you're confusing me with someone else 😛

or are you from grimbatol?

[sage yacht]

i dont think so we have chat history

[ashen harness]

OHH you were in that IIXX guild something

i was not kicked, i never passed trial, and thank god for that :kekw

still no emojies..

[grizzled kite]

was it a shit guild?

they didnt appreciate protection warriors?

[ashen harness]

i was a druid at the time

honestly i dont remember much of them, just remember they hard struggled on SLG at the tail end of season 1 in SL

[grizzled kite]

[sick sentinel]

i don't know how you can say that with thundering gone and nothing to replace it

[grizzled kite]

dungeon design is god awful now + new affixes doesn't look promising (they were garbo on PTR)

[sick sentinel]

i mean hoiw though

ju st, shit is buggin and deals stacks too quickly, or randomly 1 shots ppl or i dont get it

[grizzled kite]

you mean the affixes?

[sick sentinel]

just glitches and some wiping that sounds like nobodies really used to the dungeons yet

[strong forum]

New affixes are anti-fun
The New dungeons are much more mechanically and cast intense in 6/8 cases

[sick sentinel]

the dungeons themselves you guys say are bad

[strong forum]

0 tuning has been done to dungeons

And the season releases in 4 weeks

[grizzled kite]

last minute crunch to tune the dungeons

[strong forum]

Nah

[sick sentinel]

i guess they better get on that then

[strong forum]

They won't be tuned for a good 1-3months

[grizzled kite]

they did promise to tune/redesign certain aspects for m+ though

but yeah prolly mid-patch

[strong forum]

Halfway through the season is when the dungeons may be alright tuned

[grizzled kite]

as usual

[mighty valley]

they've had some pretty meaty week1 nerfs the past couple seasons

[strong forum]

Not to mention 6 weeks without catalyst

[sick sentinel]

well , in the mean time we can enjoy week 1 complainers of "i died to whatever"

[strong forum]

It'll be alot of complaining of overtuned shit, kick issues and dispel issues

100%

[sick sentinel]

get some meme screenshots of tank getting hit for 43million damage