I still love you
#protection
warm plinth
undone verge
❤️
coarse ginkgo
Appreciate the flame all, fixed up my talents which will help with rage and then help with everything else.
coarse ginkgo
Eggs are the worse.
undone verge
yeah
although adds can be fuckin annoying too
those terrasek earth reavers are so annoying
coarse ginkgo
Yeah I can imagine, big old tank and healing fight.
ionic fern
those terrasek earth reavers are so annoying
Run in a circle.
WAtch melee DPS yell at you.
undone verge
yeah thats basically what it evolved into
I tried to be courteous with it for like 30 pulls then just said nah fuck you and made it a 200 degree circle thingy
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
I'm ready for the workday to be over. Taking too long lol
undone verge
morning 
quartz fern
those terrasek earth reavers are so annoying
I personally despise the dragons
But yeah fuck being on boss
So anxiety inducing
undone verge
I didnt mind the dragons too much except when I had to do that bullshit where I run across the room, get aggro, then run back with the massive bleed on me out of range of the healers
then the DH blows their load on the pack you only hit twice as you're now across the room
ionic fern
I didnt mind the dragons too much except when I had to do that bullshit where I ...
That's when i dworf racialed.
undone verge
pallid quiver
I'm cow life forever at this point
undone verge
I got a level 15 BRM
brittle owl
ionic fern
Agreed.
Tanking is for scrubs.
blazing condor
Im just a dps that manages to dps so hard the mob prefer trying to kill me
grizzled kite
I'm just a target dummy who keep getting lost and wandering into random instances
valid oar
double pull TJS 22 pre 3rd bos
-boss
which packs you take if patrol route sucks?
when patrol is right, take the only pack without small shas, but if patrol is just sucky?
or infester into packw/o small sha?
wicked blaze
When taking disrupting shout in mplus. What do y’all swap out? Battering Ram? Show of force?
ionic fern
Not taking it, so no need to swap out anything.
wicked blaze
Lol fair enough
ionic fern
Out of curiosity, why would you take it?
wicked blaze
Certain dungeons like AV can be a pain while pugging with people missing kicks and stops
amber siren
If you absolutely want it, you'd drop SoF
wicked blaze
@amber siren gotcha, thank you!
uneven mason
Out of curiosity, why would you take it?
PUG life
solemn current
PUG life
Can’t think of any casts in AV I’d feel like disrupting shout is worth taking and trying to line up casts for though. I focus the icy bindings and stop most of the sleep casts. The dps can stop the rest if they’re any to avoid getting slept and they can be dispelled if one gets off. Other casts aren’t particularly dangerous,
noble wind
How strong is the dwarf buff vs other classes, i went Dark Iron for the buff, but thinking about swaping - If not dark iron/dwarf then what on alliance?
uneven mason
How strong is the dwarf buff vs other classes, i went Dark Iron for the buff, bu...
Bleeds fuck us up dwarf gives us an out... it's literally the only racial that has an impact
uneven mason
Can’t think of any casts in AV I’d feel like disrupting shout is worth taking an...
DPS interrupt
solemn current
If they get slept not my problem lol
strong forum
In rlp it can be solid, but it's hard to justify losing several thousand dps for it
wide spindle
just use ur own key to 20+ and get to the world where dps actually do interupt
around 22 they start doing it pretty well
solemn current
It’s generally not in packs where it’s particularly important for them to be a available and if the key is low enough where people really aren’t interrupting the important casts on themselves then it’s probably not high enough for you to need them anyways. Dps don’t like kicking stuff casting on the tank but they usually go out of their way to stop something that’s going to stop them from dpsing.
modern brook
ppl would perform alot better if we as a community stopped trying to play psych 201 major and instead just said "hey kick X" at the start of the key :/
toxic gyro
Auto marker + assigning ppl before key starts, also bring it up if they miss kick
Or just build your own group and actually enjoy keys
uneven mason
Auto marker + assigning ppl before key starts, also bring it up if they miss kic...
I stopped pressing it every time because it seems to make people upset
toxic gyro
Hard to time keys with missing kicks, you miss kick in hov and someone dies or entire packs heals for 30-40% whatever the % is on radiance
Same concept goes for other dungeons with more or less impact
strong forum
HoV is pretty much the easiest kick rotation dungeon tho
left basalt
auto marker? is that a mod?
strong forum
Have 1 designated ccer for holy radiance
daring marlin
WA
strong forum
And rest is just lighting bolts
toxic gyro
It is but also one of the most punishing for missing one
You miss kick on thundercaller and someone dies
sick sentinel
Auto marker + assigning ppl before key starts, also bring it up if they miss kic...
i like to think that most group memebers are acting in the interest of the survival as group as a whole, and so then, apply talents and kicks and decurse and whatever based on that information
toxic gyro
auto marker? is that a mod?
Weakaura
sick sentinel
i dont like saying to groups "you aren't X'ing" unless its like literal troll shit
sick sentinel
and then we have a catasprohic 30% boss wipe with lust and we have to release and run back
daring marlin
just go to wago and type in "auto marker"
sick sentinel
thats about only time i bring shit up
left basalt
ty
modern brook
tfw you get a single augment rune from a satchel
you deserve this for trying to farm augment runes
daring marlin
I'm not TRYING. I just did a quick heroic cuz the bonus was there!
Of course it was fuckin' Nokhud tho.
modern brook
also deserved
daring marlin
lime urchin
Have 1 designated ccer for holy radiance
Can this be soloed by 1 melee?
toxic gyro
Yes
lime urchin
Thanks
modern brook
Can this be soloed by 1 melee?
I dont think there are any important kicks this season that cant be handled by 1 15s kick
daring marlin
weird how people do such garbanzo dam
slim dove
prio system confusing for people
lusty tiger
prio system confusing for people
like rotational prio?
slim dove
yes.
daring marlin
I'll never understand people that nearly wipe the group in RLP too cuz they're AoEing first boss.
like bruh kill the shield
lusty tiger
pad or bust
lime urchin
I'll never understand people that nearly wipe the group in RLP too cuz they're A...
Oh this bricked so many keys in my pug runs
slim dove
stock up t4 proc + 100 asp for 3x starfall off the rip on 1st boss rlp everytime
gotta pad so i can sandbag the top floor ofc
lusty tiger
an I aint getting busted not padding
valid oar
double pull TJS 22 pre 3rd bos
-boss
which packs you take if patrol route sucks?
when patrol is right, take the only pack without small shas, but if patrol is just sucky?
or infester into packw/o small sha?
rigid sigil
why are u tanks so bad this week
just die die die
i survive longer on defensive stance
'
amber siren
true tanks bad
lime urchin
Most people are bad
lusty tiger
deep spruce
tfw you get a single augment rune from a satchel
You get between 1 and 4... been farming them on and off for months
uneven mason
why are u tanks so bad this week
If you're looking for the fotm Bois they're all in the paladin discord
daring marlin
You get between 1 and 4... been farming them on and off for months
ye, just feels bad when you get one!
lusty tiger
ye, just feels bad when you get one!
Skill issue
daring marlin
true
jagged pier
not stand in it
jagged pier
yer not stand in it
valid oar
other question was: how you pull pre 3rd boss tjs? 😄
say, skip
if I go single, timer is off
if I go double mini shaes, healer is "off"
if I try to time minisha hp on 50% and add
not to overlap
its also hard
fuck I wanna dps again 😄
or heal
this shit was careless
uneven mason
Sounds like you're hitting a DPS limitation
valid oar
dps brain limitation not to aoe down the minishas? D:
uneven mason
Have your boys pump harder
uneven mason
dps brain limitation not to aoe down the minishas? D:
That'll do it
jagged pier
i always thought ppl could los the small explosions but i dont do keys enough so couldnt tell u
🤷
uneven mason
Ikr so hard to press buttons and not stand in purple pee
valid oar
i mean, if patrol is nice on timer with the 3 packs without the mini shas its doable
then take 2 additional addsinto infester
people dont los
uneven mason
people dont los
Sounds like a teaching opportunity
valid oar
i wanna help to carry the keys and make it failproof(er)
well, people rip keys for bodypulling still 😄
thats just braindead
cant change that, but can adapt pulls
uneven mason
i wanna help to carry the keys and make it failproof(er)
As powerful as tanks are this xpac the DPS can't just be smoothbrain brian
valid oar
so you would still pull double mini sha packs?
and let others deal with it
and help with rc if up
?
like infester into right pack or infester into patrol?
uneven mason
You've gotta get everything low before just obliterating them this week
modern brook
well, people rip keys for bodypulling still 😄
you're entering the realm of keys where you trying to make things foolproof actively hinders the key. you need to trust your team is as dedicated as you are to completing a 22 in time
and if they're not L team, go next
lusty tiger
Yea one thing I’ve learned about progging keys past 20 is there are a few big pulls you need or else you just don’t get to time the key so if you fail the pull you’re most likely not timing the key anyway
modern brook
just dont fail 4head
unkempt hatch
Tips for a new warrior? Trying all the tanks now leading into 10.1 (primarily raid tank). Currently main BDK, leveling my warrior to 70 currently 68. Warrior is my last tank to level. The rest of my tanks are 387-401 ilvl. Tips much appreciated
modern brook
Spend rage,don't die, use shield wall. Shield slam on cd
uneven mason
Tips for a new warrior? Trying all the tanks now leading into 10.1 (primarily ra...
We spend our abilities as they're available, focus on maximizing DPS as DPS priority leads to good survival
Knowing the fight is important for tanks but especially warriors because some tankbuster are particularly punishing for warriors due to our kit, so getting ahead of the damage is paramount
Understanding how our feedback loop works for spending rage - leads to better offense and defense so never capping.
unkempt hatch
One thing I noticed while leveling is I need to get a WA to track SB and Ignore Pain
So I can tell easy with a glance I have them rolling
weary saddle
I'm abit concerned Pwar loses to other tanks in S2 due to the lack of dispel others
uneven mason
K
sick sentinel
i honestly don't see that being an issue
i cant say for sure, but there are tons of classes that cant remove debuf A B C or X Y Z
uneven mason
I'm abit concerned Pwar loses to other tanks in S2 due to the lack of dispel oth...
It's already established, paladin will be the meta as they're balancing affixes around them
sick sentinel
and there is 4 other players, so really, how often will it be that you get in combat with monsters that require tons of dispells and then also the dispell these adds come in as well
not very likely i say, or we will be strongly discussing them all discords and reddits
it wont mean that pwar is dead by any means though just means average joe is going to expect a paladin
"oh cool a prot warrior i haven't seen one of those in forever" - players in your pugs to/about you, in s2 keys
quartz fern
Paladin being Blizz's favorite child once again
shrewd grove
Paladin being Blizz's favorite child once again
BrM meta when???
unkempt hatch
I just don’t like prot Pally 🙈😂 it’s not my fav
I started 10.0 as prot Pally and changed to BDK
sick sentinel
dk sucks ass, too slow movement speed
quartz fern
I have no reason to play Paladin, other tank in my guild is a Prot Paladin
sick sentinel
literal wheel chair spec and then mediocre dmg and then you try to deathstrike and then your dead
quartz fern
The thing I hate about Blood is pulling always feels like ass
unkempt hatch
I like DK, it’s nice feeling completely self sufficient. But it has its challenges for sure. I’ve fallen over before in pulls.
unkempt hatch
I have no reason to play Paladin, other tank in my guild is a Prot Paladin
This. My other Raid tank is prot Pally (RL Pally main)
sick sentinel
a well played BDK is incredibly scary though
quartz fern
Like this pack is spread out lemme grip some mobs in to the DND so I can actually get threat on them cause we all know Blood Boil isn't enough
unkempt hatch
So I’m keeping options open for what I want to play
sick sentinel
they just live for fucking ever
quartz fern
Yeah I just started mine and I lived for a whole minute in P3 H Ras alone when the group wiped
It's hilarious
I went to like 15 stacks on Sennarth
uneven mason
Bdk for raids is pretty OP
quartz fern
Yeah I like Blood in raid just in keys it's kinda bald for pulling well
sick sentinel
did a 16 SBG, put some new-ish healer "im still learning" through absolute hell through that key for no good reason
died to very first pull, died to second pull due ti blue berry beign up, almost died to void slap and spiders, wiped to last spiders and almost to last blue berries
quartz fern
I can see a couple bosses I'd want to maybe play Blood on for prog so I'm just prepping it
fresh igloo
died to very first pull, died to second pull due ti blue berry beign up, almost ...
sounds like you need more stunners and interrupters in your party for most of that.
quartz fern
My favorite is when the Healer doesn't dispel Frailty
fresh igloo
were they super under geared? at 16 it shouldn't be hard to heal through the void pulses unless they just literally don't know what they are doing
quartz fern
Then people are like "wtf tank"
fresh igloo
My favorite is when the Healer doesn't dispel Frailty
yeah that's a fun one. i feel like it either shouldn't go on the tank or should be drastically scaled back, it really doesn't fit in a scaling environment lol
quartz fern
It shouldn't go on the tank really
quartz fern
It's a guaranteed death if it does for more than like 2s
fresh igloo
It's a guaranteed death if it does for more than like 2s
yeah
and it's on the same pulls as those nasty void slashes
sick sentinel
i swear i died at least once though to first pull, maybe not
quartz fern
That debuff like halves your hp or some shit iirc
fresh igloo
yeah it's 50% HP
quartz fern
If you take a void slash with it you're dead lol
fresh igloo
which is brutal in scaled up damage
quartz fern
It's annoying when you have to kite them too
stuck peak
It's surprising people are moving to paladin with the huge amount of ret paladins already out there
The balance is all outta whack
sick sentinel
void spawn is boss 2 phase 2 right
quartz fern
In Shadowmoon?
fresh igloo
those are the blueberries you were talking about i believe
quartz fern
Yeah Void Spawn is the trash
sick sentinel
this paladin said they were "still learning" and they may have also been alliance, so, less hardcore?
fresh igloo
sounds like they don't know what needs dispels and cooldowns.
quartz fern
That dispel is like the exact thing I hate about their Healing design
fresh igloo
knowledge of the dungeon goes a long way.
quartz fern
Like I understand giving them something interesting
But like that debuff if it's not dispelled instantly
Someone dies
Like it's not optional
I can't wait for wipes to afflicted
Cause your Healer isn't paying attention
unkempt hatch
Yeah BDK for Raid is totally OP. It’s fun to cheese and ignore whole mechanics
Which is why I’m keeping it open as a main in 10.1. But also want to sprinkle in some options which is why I’m hearing all my tanks to about 400
quartz fern
I just have Warrior and DK
Cause I played enough Brew back in Legion
And I fucking hate Veng/Guardian
unkempt hatch
Veng is fun to me because zoom around and double jump. But I also don’t think I play it well, just like the “play like a dps” style. But also don’t have the brain power to plan and play it effectively
unkempt hatch
Guardian freaking PUMPS. But they also feel wheelchair like. And I do notice even in low keys like 11-12s my Hp can just get chewed to shreds
quartz fern
And rolling mit is just ugh
stuck peak
I've played War/DK since Wrath. I don't think I'll be giving it up. I didn't play in sl or bfa tho
quartz fern
Yeah Bear does a shit ton of damage, more than it should probably but
They just hit the floor
stuck peak
My other tank is a bdk. So, I'll be fine sticking with war
unkempt hatch
Vdh do feel squishy sometimes, similar to BDK in fresh pulls. But less healing
stuck peak
If their 10.1 gear stays the same, they'll be set for one of the best
unkempt hatch
Bear has hella cds and build variety which is fun. The change to barkskin that goes life tomorrow is dope.
quartz fern
Isn't it tied to Rage of the Sleeper
unkempt hatch
31sec CD on barkskin 14s duration with talents
quartz fern
Idk much about I don't care to play it but I know that every Bear I e seen has just hit the floor
lament scroll
random as question... any situation where you would use whirlwind as pwar in m+?
unkempt hatch
They can be squish if you don’t play well. You have to use CD liberally and make sure they have mitigation up. The part they’re mostly weak to is magic damage. Magic destroys bears
sick sentinel
random as question... any situation where you would use whirlwind as pwar in m+?
never
unkempt hatch
Which isn’t unlike warriors without spell block up, right?
unkempt hatch
No experience on warrior tho. Just assuming
sick sentinel
yes even in that one
quartz fern
Which isn’t unlike warriors without spell block up, right?
Well Warrior can't do anything about Magic Dots right
Like Spell Block doesn't really do anything about them
modern brook
Which isn’t unlike warriors without spell block up, right?
spell reflect, 1minute wall, demo shout, etc
its not like we dont have tools to mitigate damage
quartz fern
But Wall is bis for sure
sick sentinel
Well Warrior can't do anything about Magic Dots right
SW, IP spell reflect HELP, but arent garunteed to save you
quartz fern
Things that are reflectable are always goos
quartz fern
20s
modern brook
whatever
sick sentinel
dont forget that SReflect gives 20 magic DR while it persists
grizzled kite
how much would you guys be willing to max pay for 418 Primal shield craft? I am so lost on these prices..
sick sentinel
it can help againts those magic dots ur talkinga bout, but i wouldnt rely on it
modern brook
how much would you guys be willing to max pay for 418 Primal shield craft? I am ...
90% of crafters are tip what you can at this point
if people are asking for anything above a couple thousand they're coping
grizzled kite
I paid a guy 50k for my lariat 2 days ago
modern brook
yeah thats about 49k more than i woulda
grizzled kite
one time craft
stuck peak
I paid 5k for mine and that was to much lol
sick sentinel
if people are asking for anything above a couple thousand they're coping
depends on item
grizzled kite
holy shit I got scamma
quartz fern
it can help againts those magic dots ur talkinga bout, but i wouldnt rely on it
Yeah after you Wall and SR then you're like okay we're in copium mode
modern brook
I'd do ~12k with free rerolls
sick sentinel
for instance, the flame belt was over 150 or 200k gold
so thats a huge gold investment just be be able to make it
modern brook
for instance, the flame belt was over 150 or 200k gold
for the flame belt id do maybe 12k with free rerolls.
modern brook
Yeah after you Wall and SR then you're like okay we're in copium mode
if you can get through SR->Wall->SR and the thing you need to mitigate is still a live your team is ass
sick sentinel
Yeah after you Wall and SR then you're like okay we're in copium mode
IP and PRAYGE that healer is awares
modern brook
or its a boss and you should have an external planned*
quartz fern
Bleeds are also legit ass
modern brook
bleeds are ass yeah
sick sentinel
for the flame belt id do maybe 12k with free rerolls.
most i ever paid for a craft is 10k for i cant recall but i want to sat it was friendship bracers
grizzled kite
Crawth on tyra 
sick sentinel
early in exapnsion
modern brook
bleeds are also ass for like every tank tho
dk handles it best and they still dont like it
quartz fern
Paladin has a like monkaS answer but
modern brook
paladins broken
quartz fern
Yeah it's just fucked
stuck peak
itll get nerfed. They just nerfed ret. It's next
grizzled kite
I mean AD is pretty big for bleed damage on a very short cd and plenty of CDR to basically have it up everytime with proper SotR uptime
modern brook
and bop/cancelaura
quartz fern
Or even BoP taunt
sick sentinel
and bop/cancelaura
having dk and paladin in discord voice call is... so good i n keys
modern brook
@icy citrus says be better smh
sick sentinel
dk can yoink shit for me, paladin can bop ppl
and then, since we are 3 plates, we get to steal all the plate armor and weapons
grizzled kite
I'd love that
unkempt hatch
I considered monk/druid/VDH for 10.1 for simple fact that other raid tank is plate (prot Pally) so different gear drops. Also my raid tends to be missing monk and DH buff. But vdh one chat recommended prot warrior. So I’m leveling mine since it’s the last tank I’m missing 🙈😂
quartz fern
Demo Shout being on GCD is like the single worst thing they've done like why god
modern brook
if your raid group is doing real progression gearing your tanks will get geared first anyways generally speaking
so i wouldnt worry about gear drops
if the group isnt, then who cares you're basing it on luck anyways
grizzled kite
Demo Shout being on GCD is like the single worst thing they've done like why god
It just feels shit to line up your cd's with it
quartz fern
And burning a GCD during Avatar
grizzled kite
Straight up criminal
sick sentinel
dammit, i still have to do profession quests
unkempt hatch
Casual Raid group. we tend to get AOTC then fall off. So it’s not like I’m needing top tier BIS tank. Which is why I’m trying options, see what I play the best
I do love having heroic leap tho. Such a fun ability
I’m really bad with charge tho, I am always either too far or too close 🙈😂
daring marlin
Trying to line it up for a mit too
I agree. They should put IP back on GCD like WoG is. 🤭
modern brook
I agree. They should put IP back on GCD like WoG is. 🤭
shittiest thing they ever did to protwar was the ~15 years of not being able to block thrown rocks
modern brook
:^)
modern brook
serene wave
Hello people, could anyone help me choose which trinkets to use please? I m kinda stuck on which to use as I have simmed but still unsure whats best
cerulean tusk
shittiest thing they ever did to protwar was the ~15 years of not being able to ...
God I was raging at the fact a shield could not block arrows. It made me actually pissed 
modern brook
Hello people, could anyone help me choose which trinkets to use please? I m kind...
link sim:)
cerulean tusk
Walks with towershield, arrow hits me ??? How the fuck
serene wave
398 Idol of Tampling hoof instead of higher IL stuff?
modern brook
398 Idol of Tampling hoof instead of higher IL stuff?
flame deco is bad,
Blazebinder hoof is on par with trampling hooves in st which tracks
ruby is passive str but its effect isnt very good in st
unkempt hatch
Is the 10.1 mythic set the red and gold variant? That set slaps…
serene wave
So which would you use in general?
modern brook
id listent o my st sim for st
and swap spiteful for ruby in dungeons
unless im particularly concerned about bosses or something
serene wave
all-totem bad?
serene wave
hanigng
minor forge
bolstered motherlode wrench dicks
Fortified bolstering explosive motherlode lessgo
uneven mason
all-totem bad?
Alltotem bis for keys
uneven mason
Fortified bolstering explosive motherlode lessgo
Tyrannical motherload, what was that ability, coin toss?
Or "delete player"
serene wave
Alltotem bis for keys
instead of which_
uneven mason
Spite...I want to say
undone verge
instead of which_
not whetstone
uneven mason
One day I'll get a whetstone on a character I want to play
left basalt
finally got a whetstone spamming BV, was fun leveling it from 376...
unkempt hatch
Fierce vs frosted armor kit?
quartz fern
Fierce vs frosted armor kit?
Frosted kinda a meme imo
Not enough armor to outweigh over 100 Stam
And it's also not like you have an issue with Phys on Prot Warrior anyway
Frosted is a bit more useful for DH/Monk cause they have lower armor and gain more from it cause Armor has dr
unkempt hatch
Yeah I figured as much. Method guide lists frosted which is why I asked
modern brook
hanigng
General rules for trinkets:
- Most damage procs split damage and this is bad for aoe - things like Whetsone and trampling hooves do not scale that well on multitarget. as a result, trinkets that dont split like rumbling ruby and Boon are very good in aoe
2)Passive mainstat is huge, not having it is generally a big knock against a trinket. this is why 382 Hooves competes with a 402 Hoof.
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defensive procs are generally useless - random survivability gains do nothing for you. If your life is threatened you should have a cooldown ready for it.
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on-use defensive trinkets have the same use cases as externals. that is to say, on the whole you generally only need them if your healer hates you or isnt reliably giving you externals.
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3+4 is why we can, when trying to minmax gear, get away with ignoring the survivability side of trinkets and focus soley on their damage/stat gains.
So with that garbage in mind we can evaluate your trinkets as such:
Spiteful, trampling, rumbling all fall under the category of "having mainstat + a strong damage proc" . they're all basically the same trinket and sims can be trusted completely for them at various target counts to decide which is best. yuo can also intuit that Rumbling ruby gains value at higher target counts while spiteful loses value.
Blazebinders hoof has a 2ndary stat allocation but an on use that steroids your mainstat, and comes with a damage proc as well. the proc splits aoe.
flame deco damage and shield are just negligble its a bad trinket :/
alltotem has a 30s cd and requires a parry to activate a damage proc (good), a haste buff (good), an armor buff (whatever), or a heal (bad). two of the procs are L's the rest are pretty good. it requires your to be actively tanking tho - which limits its use in Raid, but makes it very good in keys
sorry i had to like
do my job
sick sentinel
im not a huge fan of grief totem, personally
not a fan of active trinkets normally, just another cd to manage and it doesn't even get bonuses to dmg
my ideal set up is some passive trinket in slot 2 that just does its thing all the time like alltotem, and some easy to understand trinket 1 tap and it does a ton of instant dmg to target or it gives me a giant buff and i can choose between 2 of them
don't want it to be blaze hoof cuz i have to click it, continue attacking, and then pray that it goes off near enemies, never does
so its like, i got 2 best fire trinkets, and then they are both pain in ass to use, cuz grief, i move, the channel is finish
median tulip
If I'm using an active offensive buff trinket I usually just macro it into Avatar for the same reason as macroing my racial there works. For an active damaging trinket (i.e. Whetstone) it's just on the button next to Ravager
sick sentinel
i would mind re-rolling to maghar orc for that racial ability
give a shit load of secondary
median tulip
Avatar + Blazebinder + Racial + Demo Shout = Battering Ram go CRONCH
sick sentinel
horn is really nice too just for that is dead simple
click the button and get 1000 secondary for 20 seconds..... okay!!!!!
modern brook
smh
median tulip
I'm Mag'har; TBH the racial is pretty much "whatever", which is why it's utterly pointless to try to optimise playing around it. Just send it with Avatar and have zero regrets.
uneven mason
General rules for trinkets:
1) Most damage procs split damage and this is bad fo...
Thanks less toxic not-yellow Jakey
sick sentinel
not a horn of valor enjoyer?
uneven mason
not a horn of valor enjoyer?
Big yikes
modern brook
not a horn of valor enjoyer?
horn is trash for the reasons i listed above
median tulip
The problem with the Mag'har racial is the total lack of scaling throughout an expansion. It's as good as it will ever be this season, but by season 4 it's a much lower proportion of your total secondaries
sick sentinel
💖
modern brook
i thought the on use was also verse lmao oops
25% uptime on 1200 str is only 300 str tho
thats like
200 less than a 382 mainstat trinket
median tulip
The Horn has NEVER dropped for me
uneven mason
Vers is very expensive for it's roi
modern brook
Sure it has use as a burst tool but idk
compared to greif torch
like
just press greif torch and hydrate for 2 seconds
uneven mason
And what bullfango said
modern brook
and its a trillion times better
ruby vortex
just glad i went from bag o' sand to whelp shell
uneven mason
Bag was fun
median tulip
Grieftorch is only good if someone dies and resets your cooldown
uneven mason
I'm still using the whelp
sick sentinel
i don't see where horn is mentioned today before i said something
modern brook
median tulip
I'm usually using Whetstone + Icon
modern brook
I'm usually using Whetstone + Icon
i did whetstone dirty in my overview of it
i think its overhyped
still a good trink tho
uneven mason
i don't see where horn is mentioned today before i said something
We generally don't look at non haste 2ndary trinkets but the budget on hov would only be good if it was a 90s CD
sick sentinel
i see a very large TLDR copypasta-ish about trinkets wall of text crits u for 9001 dmg>you die, but search i cant find horn.
uneven mason
Whetstone is a banger
median tulip
Almost every member of my guild has an Icon, so it's pretty solid
median tulip
I quite like the Ruby for M+
sick sentinel
i LOVE trinkets
modern brook
problem with ruby is actually getting it lmao - like its easier to farm m icon than m ruby
modern brook
if you dont have a mythic raid push group
unkempt hatch
Any fun weapons for Pwar in 10.1 raid/M+?
modern brook
finding people to do m terros is wild
modern brook
Any fun weapons for Pwar in 10.1 raid/M+?
forgesword
sick sentinel
im the guy roll on every trinket i can roll on
cuz, lots of time they have borrowed power
if i got either ruby or icon to go with the alltotem, id put those 2 on and never think about trinkets again
unkempt hatch
forgesword
Is that the neth. Dg one?
modern brook
yeah forgesword
trim bay
unkempt hatch
My warrior is Belf rn. Considering a race change idk what I want. Also considering an ally character since 10.1 cross factionnguilds
ashen harness
did heroic leap always use to have 8 yard minimum?
modern brook
did heroic leap always use to have 8 yard minimum?
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think it was added in BFA?
its been a while tho
ashen harness
i played it for all of dragonflight and just now i started getting annoyed by it
i was sure they just added it
modern brook
its been a very long time at least
heroic high jump would be a different talent all together, in fairness
uneven mason
It considers z axis so if you try you can leap nearly straight up
I remember the original version of it in wotlk beta
That was fun because it ignored pathing and solid objects
uneven mason
They'll be coming for you
modern brook
if only bro
uneven mason
Heroic Leap
15 Rage 8 - 25 yd range
Instant cast 45 sec cooldown
Requires level 60
Leap through the air and slam down on all enemies within 5 yards of the target area, causing 50% weapon damage and stunning them for 2 sec. This ability will remove any Immobilzation effects when used.
ashen harness
wish they removed the minimum yard on heroic leap
for cancelling knockback effects
uneven mason
The original fury endcap from wotlk beta
woeful bramble
How hard is to tank at dragonflight as pwar? I have never tanked and i was thinking to try it as offspec
uneven mason
I don't click any buttons
woeful bramble
I havent crafted any gear for now, i mean i havent spent any sparks on arms for now! And i was thinking to get gear for prot instead of my dmg spec to start main pwar but i dunno
modern brook
haha look at this poor guy doesnt have nitro
ashen harness
i have nitro
sick sentinel
no clicking main damage buttons, only really for big taunt
few other spells rarely potions maybe
uneven mason
haha look at this poor guy doesnt have nitro
Doesn't skyhold block cross server emoji
modern brook
Doesn't skyhold block cross server emoji
I'm being toxic shut up
ashen harness
animated emoji
ashen coral
Hello I have a question, if two warriors use thunderous roar, do they stack or they apply only once ?
odd tree
I havent crafted any gear for now, i mean i havent spent any sparks on arms for ...
prot and arms both want haste, so you can gear for both
modern brook
Hello I have a question, if two warriors use thunderous roar, do they stack or t...
2 different applications would be applied
one sourced from warrior a the other from warrior b
sick sentinel
is fury not also haste
modern brook
modern wow doesnt have dot caps or shit like that. IF you do something you do it
sick sentinel
fury has AM so i'd iimagine you gear for haste if u take AM in that build
sick sentinel
i have fury weapons
second gold spear 402 im actively putting valors into due to haste
only recently got the .... crit mastery i think it is?, yes its the sbg one
uneven mason
Hello I have a question, if two warriors use thunderous roar, do they stack or t...
Each warrior is it's own damage source
urban portal
this game is essentially single player
i dont think players damage can interact with each other
like you cant steal another frost mage's freeze
uneven mason
Iirc in cataclysm the dot fire mages used would stack under whoever applied it first
ashen coral
Oh ok thank you
sick sentinel
if you could do that
uneven mason
So you would have one mage doing like 25% of the raids damage
sick sentinel
you would see raids of 8 mages casting frost bolt or whatever that has a 5% chance to freeze target and 2 guys spamming the gets bonus dmg on frozens 1 of them getting PI and such
uneven mason
But not anymore
sick sentinel
and it would be disgusting
uneven mason
you would see raids of 8 mages casting frost bolt or whatever that has a 5% chan...
Literally how bebuffs used to work, assassin rogues could steal enhancement shaman nature bonuses from stormsyrike
woeful bramble
prot and arms both want haste, so you can gear for both
Except from that i need a good shield that why i was thinking to main one and have the other as offspec
uneven mason
And everyone would swipe shadow vulnerability
sick sentinel
rogue best trick was wait till only you and raid boss alive, vanish, boss has no target, bugs out
save repair bill, you live
uneven mason
save repair bill, you live
uneven mason
Except from that i need a good shield that why i was thinking to main one and ha...
Wat,
Oh ok NM I get it now, I'd get the shield crafted if you need one, weapon seems to be super easy to get
modern brook
if you have 5 sparks and want to run both specs:
Lariat, Shield, 2 hander, friendship verse wrists is probably the best allocation of sparks
uneven mason
Vers wrists
uneven mason
maybe swap wrists for firebelt
Thats right you get that vers crap outta here
modern brook
verse wrists are a lot of stats for nothin tho
uneven mason
But it's not crit
urban portal
vers wrists are pretty good
for all specs
sure its not crit but beggars cant be choosers
uneven mason
Bruh I'm like 32% crit 19% haste and 8% vers
Not by design either
I hadn't taken a look at my stats all expansion
odd tree
Except from that i need a good shield that why i was thinking to main one and ha...
i'm just talking generally. made myself a 218 2hander and a 218 shield, got a wep from vault. that's all i swap when i'm going from prot to arms.
modern brook
Bruh I'm like 32% crit 19% haste and 8% vers
90% mastery over here
master gamer btw
uneven mason
So I'm mostly critical explains the toxicity
sick sentinel
split it up into smaller pulls due to bolster?
normally i'd go until the flower is dead then get bugs or flower
modern brook
small lashers dont bolster im p sure
echo egret
I think i deserve the "screw-the-key" title of the week.
daring marlin
small lashers dont bolster im p sure
correct
craggy pilot
I think i deserve the "screw-the-key" title of the week.
cant you walk out and swap?
sick sentinel
he can
echo egret
cant you walk out and swap?
Except I realized that in the middle of the 1st big pull of NO with heroism. "Why the hell can't I shield charge ? -dead"
daring marlin
Gonna try to pug 23 Nokhud, HoV and RLP tonight. Pain is assured!
craggy pilot
how you dont notice something missing on your back before the pull 😄
every time im wearing the "blacksmithing gear" that hides my shield i get confused as fk
daring marlin
Maybe he mogs the back things from SL.
woeful bramble
i'm just talking generally. made myself a 218 2hander and a 218 shield, got a we...
And the other stats/equips?? I know arms use crit/haste and prot crit/haste too?
naive panther
@sick sentinel everything but far lasher. Then do boss and ignore lasher pack. That's my favorite way to do it.
uneven mason
And the other stats/equips?? I know arms use crit/haste and prot crit/haste too?
Prot doesn't Care about stats
Ilvl is king
We use DPS trinkets
Literally to go from prot to arms/fury is a weapon change
woeful bramble
Oh i see! So it is relatively easy to change between specs!
frosty sapphire
What level do you have to be to queue for timewalking it's not in my group finder
uneven mason
60
stuck peak
ilvl 174 and lvl 60
uneven mason
The min ilvl is stupid
stuck peak
i agree
uneven mason
Because it scales you to like ilvl 30
sick sentinel
I'm item level 180 and level 60
i have tip for you since i can tell u take picture from phone because it's not level, win + shft + S gives you a cropping tool
so then i can quickly do things like this
fresh igloo
I had this problem where TW was not showing up for an alt until I hit 61
think they tinkered with something.
frosty sapphire
Weird
warm plinth
Should be able to hover over heroic and it'll tell you the requirement
sick sentinel
i HAVE to do next week and following weeks TW quest for 500 coins
im gettin the legion shield
fresh igloo
although I'm looking at a TW queue on a level 60 alt rn.
uneven mason
i HAVE to do next week and following weeks TW quest for 500 coins
O shit forgot to turn in my quest tokens
fresh igloo
so I have NO CLUE.
lol
maybe make sure you've walked in to valdrakken to trigger some hidden flag?
uneven mason
I'm item level 180 and level 60
What type of character?
frosty sapphire
I didn't realize it wouldn't work because I used a boost
uneven mason
Aha
frosty sapphire
What's the point of the boosts
warm plinth
Yeah you gotta wait a day or two I think
uneven mason
Can you talk to chromie?
warm plinth
Why would you boost it in the first place then?
daring marlin
im gettin the legion shield
GIVE UP THE AEGIS OR DIE
uneven mason
Like just go to the dragon isles and do a few quests
woeful bramble
You swap spec and press your weapon swap macro
Oh i got it! And with the sparks i have now should i craft a shield or a 2 hander??
uneven mason
Oh i got it! And with the sparks i have now should i craft a shield or a 2 hande...
Shield is super important if you're going to be running prot, you can get the shield, then open vault as arms since we want DPS trinkets anyway
warm plinth
Yogi keeps making me want to farm coins for the aegis
I didn't even think there was a shield on the legion vendor. But in any case, the things on the vendor are not the same as the things from the dungeon
uneven mason
I didn't even think there was a shield on the legion vendor. But in any case, t...
It's New cosmetic
Like cosmetic items best idea ever
warm plinth
Oh this thing?
uneven mason
Yeah but ugh I hate when they model stuff on the humans
uneven mason
If only it let us cheat in cos when they inevitably Nerf the macro
daring marlin
wut
stuck peak
The first image, the runes
daring marlin
It's lightningy
grizzled kite
If only it let us cheat in cos when they inevitably Nerf the macro
Macro???
daring marlin
Pair it with Thunderfury. 
modern brook
If only it let us cheat in cos when they inevitably Nerf the macro
Macro?
grizzled kite
thought both macro and weakaura got slammed
uneven mason
I mean if you go full lore nerd, Odyn is the one Titan keeper who has delt extensively with the shadowlands and has bound being in-between realms using domination magic
uneven mason
thought both macro and weakaura got slammed
Did they do another hot fix?
modern brook
Did they do another hot fix?
Yeah bro prot pally is the only thing that's allowed to cheat
grizzled kite
Paladin stock all time peak this tier
✅ Cheat mechanics
✅ Better looking shields
✅ Can fill two roles
stuck peak
don't forget the rework
grizzled kite
✅ Reworked so game designer can finally get KSM
modern brook
tropic tangle
lol
stuck peak
heal as much as a dk now
modern brook
Remember when everyone was creaming over dstance
grizzled kite
lets be real, we're all having that one secret paladin hidden away that we're playing
right?
stuck peak
tropic gorge
nok 20, details is reporting i got 50k overall
is that poor? i'm ilvl 412 atm
nah, couple deaths i think caused us to miss
uneven mason
nok 20, details is reporting i got 50k overall
Depends on how aggressive you pulled?
stuck peak
Do you guys stay in battle stance for everything?
uneven mason
Like, it's bolstering week
tropic gorge
as long as i'm doin good, i'm cool with it then lol
uneven mason
So you're going to have lower overall if you're not balancing down
stuck peak
I know before it was constant defense stance cause huge amounts of damage, but even in raids it just battle stance? That's nuts
uneven mason
Do you guys stay in battle stance for everything?
Yes
Dstance is legit just another CD
stuck peak
ahh ok
uneven mason
Swap if you're going to get slapped
tropic gorge
ugh that would have been my first timed +20
uneven mason
Only time I swap is for bleeds if my healer is suss
tropic gorge
i was so close. we missed by 1m 12sec
daring marlin
pull bigger
grizzled kite
if I pick Heavy Repercussions over ItF there's a small damage loss right? But if I pick ItF there's always going to be a short window where I don't have shield block right? Should I SCharge that overlap to keep SB uptime at near 100%?
uneven mason
pull bigger
Not on bolstering week
uneven mason
if I pick Heavy Repercussions over ItF there's a small damage loss right? But if...
Not really
grizzled kite
To what question?
I always refresh on the last second on SB but still manage to run out of charges with ItF
daring marlin
Not on bolstering week
? You can still do certain decent sized pulls in duo boss area on bolstering.
cloud umbra
honestly I do the same pulls bolstering or not
uneven mason
if I pick Heavy Repercussions over ItF there's a small damage loss right? But if...
Use SC on CD, hr is a DPS gain over itf unless you're maximizing stacks and already extremely stacked in haste
daring marlin
honestly I do the same pulls bolstering or not
this
uneven mason
Yeah same pulls
daring marlin
Bolstering isn't that bad anymore
grizzled kite
Use SC on CD, hr is a DPS gain over itf unless you're maximizing stacks and alre...
What should I sim for this? Any ideas? Dslice?
uneven mason
But not chonkers
cloud umbra
like.. nok first area.. just chain the big guy into the new packs since he'll have 4-5x bolster with giga health. it'll fall off eventually. no need to stop and kill 1 mob
uneven mason
like.. nok first area.. just chain the big guy into the new packs since he'll ha...
This is good advice
daring marlin
preach
modest solar
What happens if you use two shieldblocks in a row? duration stackss?
white prawn
Can stack shield charge + double shieldblock
fresh igloo
yes. you can stack shield block duration up to 24 seconds or something like that
pallid quiver
3x your shield block duration, so 18 seconds base, 24 seconds if specced into Enduring Defenses
Of note is that Bolster is separate from those, as it is not quite adding shield block time normally
zinc valley
hey guys, leaving behinbd my prot pally and DH to join the OG warriors
Swapping my fury to prot to prepare for next season
I am excited - did the "loop gems for ring" get nerfed?
warm plinth
the what now
zinc valley
"
Desirous Blood Stone +
Humming Arcane Stone +
Prophetic Twilight Stone
warm plinth
Humming did. We recommend freezing ice for ST and storm for AoE
in addition to desirous/prophetic
zinc valley
AWesome so just swap out humming for Storm or Ice
Thank you for replying so quick fam
Also, is battering ram better than Thunderlord?
Demorilzing shout helps us a lot, so i though reducing its CD would be huge
sick sentinel
thunderlords isn't as good as it sou nds
warm plinth
Yes, it's better
Thunderlord desyncs demo shout from basically everything. Without it, Demo shout lines up with every single Shield Charge, Thunderous Roar, and Ravager
(assuming keys where you aren't taking Uproar)
zinc valley
Wow that makes a lot of sense actually.
So its one of those famous blizz bait talents
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, the last time we had something similar, it was a pretty decent thing to have
Which was the deafening crash trait in BFA that extended Demo Shout
zinc valley
ahh
warm plinth
But difference here is that it's messing with the CD, not the duration
warm plinth
I'm sorry
zinc valley
LOL
warm plinth
For the 5 years spent on a VDH I mean
warm plinth
My M+ tank (I main rogue since start of SL and havoc in BFA) has been a VDH almost the whole time I've run with him
zinc valley
You liking PW moar?
warm plinth
He's the VDH guide writer for wowhead and even he isn't playing VDH now, though he did all through BFA and SL
sick sentinel
i like VDH alot from what i experienced of it
warm plinth
VDH just needs some fuckin love man. It's such a gutted spec at this point
sick sentinel
dunno about for 20s and up
warm plinth
I play both pwar and ppal. I like both, but tbh I never really cared much for VDH past Legion, and even then it was kinda meh
I don't like the idea of how soul fragments work. They're just...slow and awkward for no reason
Should be more like a combo point system than shit that slowly flies out of enemies that you can accidentally pick up if you twitch at the wrong time
zinc valley
LOL
Okay awesome
I really want Binding Stride tho lol
Ima miss VDH mobility
bounding stride* (the CD reduce/speed increase for leap)
sick sentinel
how about
give dh that melee auto attacks become a chaos wave that deals tons of dmg to its target while dh is transformed (from wc3)
warm plinth
That would be cool but wouldn't really help the spec fundamentally
Like in the current iteration, VDH even loses like half their sigils and that was like a signature thing for VDH
I'm pretty sure havoc gets just as many sigils as VDH now due to how you have to navigate the tree
unkempt hatch
@zinc valley I took your advice and currently leveling warrior and going to add that to my gambit for mains in 10.1 🙈
sick sentinel
wtf even is a sigil.... like a tatoo for the ground or summin?
zinc valley
@unkempt hatch CODY! nice to see you here.
warm plinth
It's like...think like a demon trap or something like that from Supernatural
zinc valley
@warm plinth I was looking at method.gg, i see i cna take it but i think ill lose Fear
sick sentinel
sounds weird,
warm plinth
Use the build in the pins, move titanic throw to bounding stride, gg
sick sentinel
bounding stride is life
warm plinth
I don't even think Nome is using Titanic Throw really
zinc valley
I heard its good snap threat, but you shouldnt have threat issues lol
warm plinth
Yeah I'd say at best it's a nice beginner button
zinc valley
100
zinc valley
this discord seems less toxic and more mature than the other 5 class servers i have
warm plinth
I'd rather have regular heroic throw anyway since it's spammable
Titanic has like a 3 sec CD
sick sentinel
this discord seems less toxic and more mature than the other 5 class servers i h...
it used to be a zoo
zinc valley
haha what happened? Purge? or the assholes realized they cant play
warm plinth
Every now and then we get some clowns in here but they're generally handled pretty quickly
It was pretty bad when we were fotm earlier in the expansion
sick sentinel
we get tons of angry boys here, i've even been angry boy once or twice
warm plinth
Hence my name 🙂
unkempt hatch
I’m a clown haha. I’m trash ): maybe someday I’ll be an alright tank 🙈😂
sick sentinel
haha what happened? Purge? or the assholes realized they cant play
they don't understand why they are doing poorly, and then we find logs and charracter sheets
they have the wrong talents is a big one
warm plinth
Well by clowns I mean like, people being assholes or argumentative for no reason
sick sentinel
and then, in my case, they don't cast enough, or combine enough dps things
daring marlin
Acherus and HoW are cesspools
zinc valley
People dont like digging i feel, they want direct answer and just think its all gravy, I compare method.gg, with icey/wowhead and then discords..and always ask if anything has changed.
warm plinth
I'm in most class discords just so I can use the pins every now and then 🙂
This is the only one that isn't muted
zinc valley
I know Protpally is considered FoTM right now, but 90% of the ones i play with on my dps toons, are the worse tanks to exist.
sick sentinel
fuck it leave it be
warm plinth
Man I played with like 3 different prot paladins yesterday or the day before just doing some weekly 16s on alts
zinc valley
chain pull after CDS used....Getting one shot for mismanagement...etc
warm plinth
and I swear every single one of them has like 30% consecration uptime and 50% SotR uptime
sick sentinel
10.0 , we had tons of those players, they are all gone now
daring marlin
I had a druid healer tell me about a prot pally that fell over on Liu in TJS and they bitched about ironbark timing
warm plinth
Like bro just because you have a heal doesn't mean you're a self healing tank. You're supposed to be tanky man
daring marlin
He asked me when I want it in the 23 we did and I just said to use your best judgement. ez time
warm plinth
Use the heal if you need to but press your damn buttons
daring marlin
yup
zinc valley
People forget its the player not the class lol they want to get carried by the spec.... My warlock is a demo warlock, and I did a +23 academy yesterday and beat the Rogue and Unholy DK. 😄
Thanks btw guys for the quick answers
warm plinth
It's sad too because like...prot pally can do some hardcore carrying if played well
And people end up with the bottom of the barrel prot pals
sick sentinel
would be great if wow had smart healer in the game, if you go to try to heal yourself and you are already at 99 or 100% hp it targets someone anyone else
same for your targetg
could be ass what i said
daring marlin
Use the heal if you need to but press your damn buttons
Double SoG aftr a jade serpent kick
unkempt hatch
That’s why I’m trying out the tanks, see what I play best. And enjoy playing the most. So I can improve and be a better player not fotm playing badly
daring marlin
WoG*
sick sentinel
only a game really though
i'll say what ive said for 5 years now
its cuz of the interupt attached to the avengers shield
and then they also get stormbolt (hammer)
sick sentinel
paladin always has always will be EZ mode noob tank
unkempt hatch
Divine toll is one of the coolest spells in the game
The bing bongs give many serotonin
warm plinth
Avenger's shield is still very good and it's underrated
It provides a lot of bonuses
Like it's still pretty high in the priority
even not generating holy power
Like you get parry from it, block chance, an absorb, increased sotr damage, reduced CD on GoAK, and it deals splash damage
It's a pretty impactful button
zinc valley
@warm plinth Which talents were u telling me to look at?
warm plinth
Oh, the build in the pins that says "best M+ build" it's like the 4th message down
And just move Titanic Throw to Bounding Stride
zinc valley
Perfect, thanks ❤️
daring marlin
even not generating holy power
Oh it generates HP alright. 😏
warm plinth
At least they kept the holy power from divine toll. That would've been so meh
zinc valley
Okay so Pain and Gain isnt decent enough passive?
zinc valley
Im assuming not since showing not to take, i just like getting healed without doing anything 😛
Ok ok
warm plinth
It's not a talent we'd shame you for taking but it's also nothing that you're going to miss
daring marlin
This is bugged and works on AS. Love it!
warm plinth
Yeah so, apparently that's not a bug
daring marlin
extra hammer is cool
warm plinth
Because in the 10.1 spell data, it has AS on it
craggy pilot
does it work with DT also?
warm plinth
Though i suppose the alternative is that it is bugged and they just cba to fix it so they just pretend it's intended
craggy pilot
Though i suppose the alternative is that it is bugged and they just cba to fix i...
😄
daring marlin
does it work with DT also?
Sure does
craggy pilot
holy shit
warm plinth
Wouldn't really matter if it did or not since Divine Toll gives you full holy power regardless
craggy pilot
so DT generates like 10+ Holy Power now 🤣
warm plinth
right
craggy pilot
well still the free extra dmg
warm plinth
yeah
warm plinth
Crusader Strike = Blessed Hammer/HotR
daring marlin
yes
craggy pilot
holy shit so DT throws out a ton of Blessed Hammers 😄
craggy pilot
ah thought all targets would get a Blessed Hammer from them
warm plinth
Imagine just turning into a hammer bro. from Mario 3
warm plinth
Fuck frisbees, we're hammer bros now
daring marlin
give pallies FotH
warm plinth
What's that?
daring marlin
warm plinth
I guess you can get somewhat close if you play Lightforged Draenei?
daring marlin
But then I have to be a goat again
craggy pilot
just tested, the Kick talent doesnt work for DT
warm plinth
Rekt
I don't even know what you'd drop for that talent to be honest
I guess you could drop lightforged blessing? Not sure how bad that is to give up though
craggy pilot
weird, its only proccing sometimes with Avengers Shield 🤔
craggy pilot
I guess you could drop lightforged blessing? Not sure how bad that is to give u...
i already dropped Lightforged Blessing its rly shit
but i picked up Ret aura instead 🤔
crude notch
Speaking of only proccing sometimes
warm plinth
My love for @crude notch procs constantly
crude notch
craggy pilot
its weirdly inconsistent
warm plinth
Asking a friend of mine who knows a lot of ppal shit
My best guess is that it might have an ICD
craggy pilot
ah ye maybe
warm plinth
Are you always interrupting a spell with it?
zinc valley
how bad is spell block
warm plinth
It's good
craggy pilot
Are you always interrupting a spell with it?
yes
zinc valley
do u use it over nails thing
craggy pilot
i went to the fire elementals
warm plinth
A lot of people just run it in every dungeon but it's only really significant in a few
craggy pilot
but i logged off now
warm plinth
Just remember to always have Shield Block active while it's up because it's not guaranteed blocking on its own.
verbal wren
do u use it over nails thing
There are certain pulls that go from pretty iffy to 20 seconds of god mode with it. When it works, it's amazing, but a lot of the time it's sitting there doing nothing.
zinc valley
@verbal wren Ok that makes sense because of all the
CC's we have and other players
who knows maybe next dungeons there will be more fair play with it
verbal wren
I'm lazy and I just run it in any dungeon so I have it if I need it
tough as nails is decent damage, but it's not totally nuts
zinc valley
Okay thanks !
bye bye to fury
Got my bars set and everything keybinded, and Weakauras ready - gear has been swapped with correct gems.
warm plinth
zinc valley
sitting at 411 ilvl now since my shield is only 385 lol
zinc valley
crafted 2 418 weapons for fury 😛
its my only weakness atm i believe
however im sure i can valor it up quick/get a higher drop
daring marlin
weird, its only proccing sometimes with Avengers Shield 🤔
That is weird. It's pretty consistently proccing for me.
zinc valley
Also the other weakness would be trinkets as they are dps based atm
warm plinth
We use DPS-based trinkets anyway
zinc valley
Ahh nice
warm plinth
What do you have?
daring marlin
crafted 2 418 weapons for fury 😛
That's a lot of sparks. 
zinc valley
That's a lot of sparks. <:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506>
I was slaying early on!
zinc valley
What do you have?
lol ... um...puzzle box
warm plinth
Yeah that one is not ideal lol
warm plinth
bonemaw's is alright. Not the best but it's okay
Definitely gotta go for a whetstone to replace that puzzle box though
daring marlin
Just have a 421 whetstone 4head
warm plinth
I don't think I've seen a 421 weapon or trinket the entire season
zinc valley
56 court runs as fury
warm plinth
Only 56? Slacker
zinc valley
Goal is to get as ready as possible for next season so im glad at least i didnt have to relevel something and farm gear..just a couple pieces and ill be ready!
Thanks a lot guys really helpful
daring marlin
I don't think I've seen a 421 weapon or trinket the entire season
bruh lmao
That's awful
zinc valley
Haste is around 26% unbuffed atm.
torn gulch
watch me not getting the brackenhide trinket all season next season
warm plinth
I'll care about the brackenhide trinket if it ends up being necessary but it probably won't be
torn gulch
for defensive minded tanks like me it's good
torn gulch
first boss will be a pug breaker
daring marlin
At least that one is less terrible
warm plinth
So we get to fight another worm
At least we won't have half our abilities not work on it
pallid quiver
for defensive minded tanks like me it's good
I mean, depending on what you mean by defensive minded, you potentially mean playing squishier