what info are you looking to find?
#protection
prisma crane
tawny kettle
prisma crane
if you take ITF, you'd need Bolster if you wanted to hit 100%
and also note, uptime isnt everything, you'll have times you're not in combat, or the first second of combat before you have it up, etc
mighty valley
unless you're very comfortable with everything happening in the dungeon, I'd recommend you just stick to HR
lime urchin
the current m+ build recommends ITF?!
fresh igloo
the pinned M+ build definitely has HR.
warm plinth
Yeah idk what is recommending ITF for keys
mighty valley
i don't want to bother nom but at this point he could probably just cut the "general purpose" build since the thunderlord argument is basically solved
dusky canopy
yeah I mean all the correct information is there but it would simplify things
misty moss
At 395 ilvl as prot, should I be able to hold up in 20s? Was in a 20 Nok and I was spamming mitigation like crazy. Basically rallying and LS SR on CD. Hoping it was more just an ilvl issue. Had never felt shaky with warrior until that key.
undone verge
At 395 ilvl as prot, should I be able to hold up in 20s? Was in a 20 Nok and I w...
doable, but very challenging
mighty valley
you'd need to be stopping/sidestepping just about every important cast
misty moss
It was nearly timed. It’s almost Week 2 as a prot, so likely just plenty of room to improve. Was mitigating like a mad man and doing more moving than ever before.
mighty valley
it's also bolstering week, so that's also a factor
misty moss
you'd need to be stopping/sidestepping just about every important cast
Yeah I’ve never hit more stuns and interrupts in my life
mighty valley
ilvl will just give you a little more room for slipups
misty moss
My main is at 417 as VDH and I got very lucky with gearing so never did keys below 406 ilvl as a tank. Still getting used to not having a ton of self heals to crutch.
mighty valley
honestly our base rotation is "maximum mitigation"
if you get panicked into overspending on IP it's gonna mess up your whole situation
mighty valley
what does it do?
misty moss
I’ll link it
mighty valley
overcapping on IP isn't a problem, we do that all the time
misty moss
mighty valley
yeah this is nice info to have if it's not distracting but it should really, really rarely change your IP decision process
undone verge
problem is IP is information you should never care about
misty moss
White: Your next Ignore Pain cast will grant its full absorb amount.
Yellow: Your next Ignore Pain cast will grant a portion of its absorb amount.
Red: Your next Ignore Pain cast will cause you to gain no absorb amount.
plush tendon
IP is a distraction-> just make sure SB is up, generate as much rage as you can and spend it as fast as you can without losing casts of SS/Thunderclap
mighty valley
your baseline should be "am I gonna max out rage just doing my normal rotation? press IP"
plush tendon
IP is great to spend rage when you overcapping and have generators to press sincee its off the GCD
dusky canopy
mighty valley
i love when this happens. new prot warrior says hi, 3-5 people all start explaining the fundamentals simultaneously
plush tendon
and prot is all about SB uptime, pressing CDs at the right time (and not holding for too long so you miss casts!), and generating and spending rage as much and as fast as possible
plush tendon
i love when this happens. new prot warrior says hi, 3-5 people all start explain...
we get excited
and its the end of work where, at least for me, sick of dealing with work shit
misty moss
Yeah I’m fine with reading through advice even if I know it beforehand
Nice to see a helpful community
minor forge
I am playing protection for like a month and managed this reset to time all 20s for portals
It feels more fluid to play than guardian, I love it
misty moss
Grats! That’s huge
dusky canopy
@misty moss if you logged you could let us pick it apart
plush tendon
I am playing protection for like a month and managed this reset to time all 20s ...
big gamer
Current prot is in a really good place right now
misty moss
When I get more gear I’m happy to log.
plush tendon
theres a talent wishlist we have running.... but overall, the spec was designed well is expac
dusky canopy
overall doesnt matter
we could dive into casts uptimes etc
it will allow one of us to provide clear information that will benifit you
if thats what you are here looking to get
misty moss
Group was 405-410 ilvl. We’re all working alts and I’m behind due to work.
plush tendon
be carful of doing a all melee SBG though with a.... less then ideal healer
still 2 chest though
misty moss
Still should have been timed. My positioning was likely the culprit
strong forum
yeah full melee smbg is kanker
craggy pilot
be carful of doing a all melee SBG though with a.... less then ideal healer
nice healer trinket kek
plush tendon
last boss "should we get the healer up? No, hes gonna get insta give by one tick of the rune on us'
strong forum
what healer
strong forum
you got 2 pallys
plush tendon
nice healer trinket kek
hindsight we shouldve double prot
plush tendon
you got 2 pallys
3
strong forum
3rd one doesnt count
strong forum
his wogs are like 20k
craggy pilot
hindsight we shouldve double prot
triple prot
plush tendon
well, we told him to go holy cause we thought 'hey, he could bait the runes on the last boss!'
we were wrong
craggy pilot
was he at least paying you? 🤣
dusky canopy
yeah cant you just do the elites in the cave for like an hour
craggy pilot
you have fulll week till vault 😄
plush tendon
gotta start doing 20s right when you ding righT?
craggy pilot
kekw
plush tendon
you have fulll week till vault 😄
Monday before reset last week
strong forum
if you got friends, yes
strong forum
you can be 360
craggy pilot
Monday before reset last week
oh thought it was a today run
strong forum
right as you hit 70
plush tendon
oh thought it was a today run
woudlve been easier this week
craggy pilot
right as you hit 70
then you were insanely lucky with quests
plush tendon
Tyran SBG
strong forum
buy full 343s from ah for 500g, craft 5 items to 382/389
craggy pilot
or bought gear i guess 🤔
craggy pilot
buy full 343s from ah for 500g, craft 5 items to 382/389
ah ye with that true
craggy pilot
and if youre lucky with Titan Training Matrix
strong forum
dont need those
you get 5 sparks
literally hit, 70, plan your 5 sparks, buy everything else 343 from AH
slim dove
i just afk follow people in reach and collect 385 sets
dusky canopy
- all the reach gear ye
slim dove
sp 401 enh sham 405 prot pal 410 rdru 417 war 418 evoker 405
alts are borderline too easy this expac
strong forum
thats so many
craggy pilot
thats so many
Nome sitting here with his Warrior as the only one 😄
clever heart
hey, obviously no way to know this, but does anyone have any guesses or insight as to which tanks will likely be strong for raid / m+ in 10.1 ?
craggy pilot
i have way too much time on my hands 
🕥
strong forum
currently i do aswell
craggy pilot
hey, obviously no way to know this, but does anyone have any guesses or insight ...
all of them
strong forum
but i really dont care about alts
craggy pilot
i wanna care more about alts
but all specs are just boring to me right now idk why 😄
i just wanna play Arms on a 2nd toon kinda haha
guess im gonna lvl a Dwarf Warr, so i have 2 warriors
1 prot warr, 1 arms warr 😄
knotty vortex
lariat and belt still gonna be the season 2 embellsihments to shoot for?
craggy pilot
do it 👿
craggy pilot
lariat and belt still gonna be the season 2 embellsihments to shoot for?
no clue
strong forum
nah wow is dead to me rn
mighty valley
i'm a huge fan of the semi-self awareness of "obviously no way to know this but does anyone know this"
craggy pilot
lariat and belt still gonna be the season 2 embellsihments to shoot for?
upgrade your shield first, and then figure out what is "bis" when you get that 2nd "spark"
craggy pilot
i'm a huge fan of the semi-self awareness of "obviously no way to know this but ...
😄
knotty vortex
upgrade your shield first, and then figure out what is "bis" when you get that 2...
thats the plan as now
craggy pilot
the embelishments are VERY close to each other in power anyway
currently it might be good to go for ring/belt/helmet/wrist, because you can MAYBE carry over the S1 sockets
frosty sapphire
Is there a shield embellishment?
craggy pilot
Is there a shield embellishment?
yes
mighty valley
yeah, a baked-in one and a reagent one
craggy pilot
multiple reagent ones
frosty sapphire
Which one is the one we wanna get
craggy pilot
Which one is the one we wanna get
none of them
just craft a natty shield
the ilvl is the goal
not the embelish
craggy pilot
no worries 🙂
also there are new embelishments coming out in 10.1 that havent been tested at all
so no way of knowing if Lariat + Belt is BIS at all
frosty sapphire
I'm new to tanking and don't really understand the concept of build threat and hold aggro is there like a dummies guide to that somewhere
That's fair
craggy pilot
(if it even is BIS now)
craggy pilot
I'm new to tanking and don't really understand the concept of build threat and h...
build threat is just doing dmg
if you do dmg, you have threat
if you do not enough dmg, you lose threat
sometimes some specs will do massive amounts of burst dmg to specific targets, so they will rip agro from you, just save it with a quick taunt
quick question @frosty sapphire do you have a nameplate addon with different colors based on threat?
gleaming vault
anyone have a wa that tells me when to press spell block
strong forum
youre better off learning when to press it
you couldnt possibly write a WA to tell you to use a major defensive CD on every situation
dusky canopy
the WAs that glow when a ability targeting you is reflectable will make you waste the SR cool down on something weak
strong forum
yeah, cant recommend those either
better off just know what you wanna reflect and just where to press SR for the DR
chilly brook
anyone have a wa that tells me when to press spell block
yea cast bars
and boss mods
uncut thunder
anyone have a wa that tells me when to press spell block
Not for SB but for SR. Good for noobs like myself. https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
tropic gorge
i wonder if that' wa will be blocked in the next season
fresh igloo
Not for SB but for SR. Good for noobs like myself. https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
it's useful but can make you waste it. make sure you're learning what you're reflecting
warm plinth
How to know what you can reflect is 99% anything that casts and 1% just trying it to see if it works
WAs are not optimal unless they're keyed to the specific spells that it's worth reflecting (e.g. either ones that do a lot of damage or ones that aren't with other mobs that will make you waste it on the wrong thing)
uncut thunder
Yeah. I found I wasn’t using it enough. You know holding it for the perfect moment so the WA helped me be more liberal with the CD
fresh igloo
SR is a very quick CD
definitely good to use it a lot.
but make sure to have it available for things like... infused strike. dragon strike. arcane bomb thingy
summer mural
im very jealous of the reduced CD that prot gets for SR
fresh igloo
lot of big hitting boss spells in dungeons are reflectable.
(don't forget to check the spreadsheet)
strong forum
Yeah. I found I wasn’t using it enough. You know holding it for the perfect mom...
If you use SR literally on CD, you already use it better than 90% of players
Best way to learn SR, is to just fuck around and find out
summer mural
such a satisfying sound. love the whip crack
strong forum
That's the first thing you do when you fight smth for the first time
fresh igloo
such a satisfying sound. love the whip crack
lol same
strong forum
Find out what you can and can't block/reflect
pallid quiver
That's the plus side of doing content as soon as possible is that people are more willing for you to die because of our fuck around and find out tendencies
i've taunted as a dps before just to learn if i can reflect something, not gonna lie
summer mural
limit test literally everything
summer mural
~~i've taunted as a dps before just to learn if i can reflect something, not gon...
👏
undone verge
~~i've taunted as a dps before just to learn if i can reflect something, not gon...
final boss of ToP
warm plinth
That's the first thing you do when you fight smth for the first time
First thing I do is find out what I can evasion and cloak. Except mine sometimes end up being fatal
icy citrus
first time i see that golden numbere here xD
verbal wren
But how many taunts/min this time?
grizzled kite
31k overall healing cant be considered good right? In a 20 key? 
spent 3/4ths of the time in defensive stance spamming IP tryna to survive
warm plinth
31k overall healing cant be considered good right? In a 20 key? <:deadge:9002799...
31k should be fine I would think.
pallid quiver
31k from healer or yourself? Either way, both feel kinda high iirc?
verbal wren
probably depends on key, but feels high. I looked up a 23 COS I did and healer did 17k and I did 12.2k
You sure you're keeping shield block up?
pallid quiver
More damage that comes out, more healing needs to come out
so yeah, depends on key decently heavily
But in 20s that go smoothly, I don't recall any hps above like 25k on anyone's part
verbal wren
yeah, 22 hov tyr was 21k healer 17k me, so it can vary, but 31k feels like enough that a tank shouldn't feel like they have to hide in dstance
unless just everyone is standing in the bad and healer has no time to heal you
pallid quiver
That's what my knee jerk guess was
grizzled kite
SB uptime was fine, everything was fine on my part but the healer just couldn't keep everyone topped and it really felt like a struggle
just wanted some perspective if that was considered good or not so I guess it is
(trash fights in Nokhud 20 btw, with an evoker)
cloud umbra
honestly if you are doing your rotation right, you dont need the healer to babysit you
did you log it?
grizzled kite
yeah I was surviving just fine but the group wasn't
no but recorded it so I rewatched entire key
cloud umbra
oh, i just read the part of you spamming IP, that should never be the case
grizzled kite
well he had to babysit other people so when bolstering came out (even on 1 stack, 1 mob) it felt like a drudge just to be able to tank it
cloud umbra
and in D stance. That sounds like unblocked hits
ah, ya like 3-4 bolster can get dicey sometimes
I'd look at what your blocked hit ratio was. There probably is a decent amount squeeking by if you are getting chunked. That requires logging though
verbal wren
Nok can be a lot of party damage on a fort week if people aren't kicking
cloud umbra
and a good 'baiter' can make the first area from shitty to easy
since you can outrange the warspear swift stab
grizzled kite
they only attack the furthest one away?
cloud umbra
ya, as a resto druid I stand far away and run when they start swift stab, it misses
grizzled kite
ah
cloud umbra
theres a ton of things you can do, hunters can trap between them and the warspear, you can stun it mid air, ursols
mighty valley
someone needs to slap the sign
don't give a shit about healer meters unless people are dying to unavoidable damage
cunning knot
Is going frozen devo over sophic gonna harm your defense?
fresh igloo
technically yes? but not in any perceptible way
frozen is pure damage, sophic is stats.
stats give us defense and offense
cunning knot
+300 dps is not much perceptible either, just trying to pick an enchant for all content
fresh igloo
either option is fine.
craggy pilot
Can i solo M0 as 418 ilvl? 🤔
mighty valley
won't know til you try
mighty valley
there were a few SL dungeons I could solo in season 1?
and we're stronger now than we were then
but also the dungeons have more casts etc
dusky canopy
you can solo most likely probably just cant pull massive
pallid quiver
On an M0, can still pull pretty large in most dungeons
Biggest issue is long CCs like the fears in Brack
shrewd grove
But, why male models?
icy citrus
But, why male models?
If you are referring to my fellow dwarf character, there is as simple explanation in the other universe.
shrewd grove
I was more asking about the taunts lol
sick sentinel
male models for me boils down to i am a boy/man
probably really could do 20's if i wanted to
still hate cos
cinder nova
Then do em
violet flume
Thanks man, it took a lot of time, probably spent too much time in keys below +15 to gear up, but +20s arent that hard especially since it's easy to be 415+ ilevel, as long as a run doesnt wipe you pretty much time it guaranteed, some dungeons are more wipe forgiving. Big dps pumpers make it easier too
hardest part of +20s is finding groups thatll invite you lmao
daring marlin
wasn't aware it was june already
prisma crane
that doesnt add up because that number is lower than the actual hit
warm plinth
idk who that is, but was it just you?
prisma crane
thats a boss in the new raid
that was a tank buster hit
i took it back to back to test something, typically you wouldnt do that w/o an immunity or something
warm plinth
There are some player debuffs that don't get taken into consideration until after their effect.
That's rpobably what's going on here
So like, atrophic poison for example would be calculated before the unmitigated number
Does the ability put a debuff on you that makes you take more damage?
prisma crane
yea subsequent ones you take 500% from
warm plinth
Yeah so I'm assuming that it's just not taking the debuff into account
prisma crane
its not weird that i died, was just curious what that U was
yea maybe
so U woudl have been like 3.6M
warm plinth
You can report it to WCL and they might be able to have Blizzard fix it, but not sure if you can get it fixed for things that are on the player?
prisma crane
fix what?
just the weird reporting?
sorry, im a bit confused lmao, just curious what it was, at the end of the day all i really care about is the O and B numbers
warm plinth
Well, it's not the report's error. It's just how blizzard's combat logging is communicating the damage. My guess (I just found out this was even a thing because I asked a similar question in their disc) is that there are actually two separate events behind the scenes, one being the mob's attack, and one being the damage calculation that is done to the player
prisma crane
but i JUST now realized it's inthe 2nd line too, so it's always there, got it, prob just missing the modifier
interesting
warm plinth
So the log reports the unmitigated damage of the mob's attack, before it does the damage calculation to the player (as far as the actual ability damage)
Apparently demo shout used to not be calculated in that as well, but they were able to get that fixed. But that's a debuff to the mob, not one on the player so not sure if it can be fixed the same way
left basalt
violet flume
man i tanked this CoS +20 like a monkey and ive never got so much verbal abuse lmao, is that how people new at tanking get treated 24/7. Stil timed it tho
sand pebble
man i tanked this CoS +20 like a monkey and ive never got so much verbal abuse l...
Not generally no but anyone in a 20 wouldn't expect to see a monkey tank
violet flume
guess so, group led me on an unusual routing and i guess i brainfarted the rest of the way
i dont think i can ever top that play in terms of badness
sand pebble
Me and some friends jumped into this random 5 cos for valor, brand new healer and the tank had pulled 100% trash before any enforcers
Healer kept saying sorry
urban bane
man. ive been tanking a bit on my blood dk for kicks and ive certainly learned to appreciate how much block actually mitigates. Basically for free.
violet flume
over 100% before any enforcers.. i figure a lot of buttpull
sand pebble
man. ive been tanking a bit on my blood dk for kicks and ive certainly learned t...
Haha most pwar to bdk rollers complain about lack of movement but yes block is amazing
sand pebble
over 100% before any enforcers.. i figure a lot of buttpull
He went left at first bridge and pulled it all + all mana worms - we cleared entire area at first to security pillars
Maybe he was trolling bolstering
violet flume
i know ive seen guides of people pulling docks so they dont have to pull much during enforcers, maybe he just derped his way through it
mortal mountain
since court of stars is/was the subject do you guys know how the imps decide which spell they cast? sometimes they go for the aoe spell so my spellreflect gets fucked anything to do with how many people are in los?
undone verge
since court of stars is/was the subject do you guys know how the imps decide whi...
SR the first one, stun rotation past that
mortal mountain
i think you missed my point 😄
undone verge
well theres no reason it should matter since they always choose the reflectable one for the first cast
mortal mountain
theyre both reflectable
which is the problem
and they dont
hence my question whether its based on something
mighty valley
as far as i've ever seen they'll always open up with firebolts?
which is also the only one you can safely reflect since after that everything will be rando targeted
mortal mountain
they dont always start with firebolt
which is why im asking if it has a reason they dont
undone verge
i've never seen them open with anything else
mortal mountain
happenend quite alot to me actually i thought maybe the imps have a chance to cast the aoe spell if theres more than 1 guy in los but other than that i have no idea what could cause it
mighty valley
i mean, if anyone else is in los, you shouldn't be trying to spell reflect anyway
like i said i can't remember seeing them start any other way, but maybe someone in your squad is firing off a ranged instant cast before they even see you or something
blazing condor
Ive Also only seen fire bolts
undone verge
bdk is like actually so fucking stupid ez
I tanked H brood at 390 and didnt have any issue whatso ever
not to mention all the deaths advance bullshit this tier
strong forum
welcome to bdk in any raid ever
you get to ignore 50%+ of all mechanics
be it deaths advance or AMS
coupled with the total disregard to dmg source cuz of deathstrike
minor forge
This tier feels so good for tanks(with some surv def exceptions)
pallid quiver
BDK is just set for raids. It'd be hard to make it not at least decent in raids, I think. Like, they're even a source of AMZ, which can be real helpful at times, and grips are grips
lime urchin
This tier feels so good for tanks(with some surv def exceptions)
M+ dudu would like to have a word with you
Clunky as hell
minor forge
M+ dudu would like to have a word with you
The exception at that sadly
sick sentinel
ff16 is out on steam
its not my finzl fantasy to play that game
sick sentinel
be it deaths advance or AMS
75% if you include required healing and deathstrike spam
dunno why, but last couple of keys i have done have gone with defensive gem ring and double sw talent, no idea, i think i turned it on for rlp and it felt nice so been using it still
hardy snow
If I have alchemy and can max decayology, is it better to use these decay health pots instead of standard one?
rigid sigil
z
lime urchin
This is groupfinder now? 😳
oblique kayak
in abudhabi your the groupfinder XD
mental scarab
@rigid sigil Im not home 
dammit
sick sentinel
i only did 2 keys this week and then a +5 for some reason
i also had like taxes n shit
shell mortar
Yes
sick sentinel
ever since DF pre-patch
it used to have a cast timer on it if it doesn't now, its been changed a bit since when it first was introduced
opaque perch
Hello there! ive been looking to upgrade my dps as protection warrior, besides using good my cds and stuffs what do you recomend? ill leave my stats and my talents here:
sick sentinel
Dark Iron Tauren
echo egret
I remember seeing a good CD rotation in here, for stuff like TJS 3rd or Crawth, anyone has that ?
tame jasper
pins
uncut helm
The pins should have that.
pallid quiver
Hello there! ive been looking to upgrade my dps as protection warrior, besides u...
Really, since you've got the proper talent build and all, there's not really much we can say without logs other than "play well and pull big"
though if i'm not mistaken, that's granyth's, which belongs in the trash, so you can squeak some free DPS out by getting rid of that trinket for like any DPS trinket
opaque perch
Really, since you've got the proper talent build and all, there's not really muc...
I was thinking about to change that trinket too, wich one you recomend from M+ dungeons besides Windscar Whetstone?
Another think i think im failing is using Defensive Stance for soo long, im trying to use less but i take more damage
karmic plinth
most stat or damage proc trinkets are going to be better dps
you might want to look at pugging for an icon / all totem or fishing for it from the timewalking weeklies
pallid quiver
I was thinking about to change that trinket too, wich one you recomend from M+ d...
Whichever you have is the realistic answer, but things like Hoof from RLP is always a good one
jagged pier
i mean the realistic answer is he probably needs to play better
if he wants more dps
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's what I said at the start
On top of that
"but i take more damage" makes me concerned that you're not using your defensives well or even improperly doing the rotation, since you shouldn't ever notice being in battle stance outside of like 3-4 specific abilities in the game atm
Ones I can think of off the top of my head are Hyrja Shield, Crawth peck, etc
opaque perch
"but i take more damage" makes me concerned that you're not using your defensive...
im using defensive stance in some big pulls, is that bad? changing to battle stance in safe combat situations
pallid quiver
The largest amount of unavoidable damage in large pulls come from the melees and blockable attacks which we don't really care that much about. It can get spooky, but shield wall is available roughly every minute or so when playing well, so it should be there to help smooth damage intake. On top of that, Demo Shout is used on CD for offensive/rage gen purposes, so it should also just be up for some extra mitigation, as well, for most trash packs. It's better to swap into Def Stance than to die, for sure, but it isn't something that should be needed unless something has gone wrong, the most common thing being stops not going out on the important casts
So it falls into the general category of "play better" that we've been bringing up. Without logs, we can't really say anything specific
opaque perch
The largest amount of unavoidable damage in large pulls come from the melees and...
Got it, thanks for share your thoughs, ill try all that tips to upgrade myself
sick sentinel
you when press charge or shield charge or possibly intervene
twin bramble
is it worth spending primal chaos on fierce illimited diamond for my elemental lariat gemslot or just buy something like energized malygite or energized ysemerald off ah?
(note im a new player with limited primal chaos)
balmy canyon
If you do content primal chaos eventually starts to feel like it grows on trees. You get it from keys, raid, battleground wins, I think even heroic dungeons may give some (not 100% on that though)
twin bramble
Thanks!
sick sentinel
primal chaos is one of those "play the game more" curencies
you get it just by existing and doing anything productive in wow
cerulean tusk
Almost failed a court
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
What kind of SB uptime % are you guys getting? Recently picked up Prot Warrior after prying myself away from BDK
fresh igloo
uptime itself isn't really the right concern
you want to have it up for every hit you take, and every shield slam you do
so look for unmitigated/unblocked hits taken
unbuffed shield slams
downtime in a key or something means uptime won't be accurate
cunning salmon
What race y’all play to avoid shield clipping lol
sick sentinel
I'm with you, thank you for the insight
bronze lake
Prob a dumb question but in m+ is spell block something we absolutely take? Are there certain dungeons it's super useful for? New to warrior tank
fresh igloo
Prob a dumb question but in m+ is spell block something we absolutely take? Are ...
i just leave it on all the time personally, but you really only are supposed to take it for a few specific dungeons
check the pins for "how do I survive X" to get an idea
bronze lake
Thanks!
fresh igloo
and also the blockable/reflectable spreadsheet
if there's nothing dangerous in the key you need spell block for, it makes sense to spend that point on dps instead
twin bramble
For the 5 recommended spark pieces, are any recommended over 395 forbidden reach gear if I can’t get crafted over 392?
winged cobalt
was just comparing some logs for raza finetuning. a lot of people have haste around 2k haste and then dump more into crit. any reason for that besides dps > survivability on farm ?
torn gulch
For the 5 recommended spark pieces, are any recommended over 395 forbidden reach...
you want to craft them anyway because you're taking them with you to next season
where you are gonna continue to upgrade them
twin bramble
Ooo thanks!
minor forge
Had a maw of souls 15 back in legion with like 0.0032 or so left
ocean prairie
Has anyone tried the new embellished shield of s2?
sick sentinel
didn't even know there was one
copper lava
Haven’t played since s3 SL. We stance dance now or just hang out in battle for the most part?
left basalt
Battle 99% of time
copper lava
Battle 99% of time
👍
sick sentinel
BOOTS
weary saddle
Has anyone tried the new embellished shield of s2?
link pls?
toxic pewter
Seems cool
grizzled pike
Does anyone else experience a glitch where heroic leap turns on autorun on landing on occasion?
sick sentinel
Equip: Taking damage has a chance to store stacks of Shadowed Immolation.
After receiving** 5 stacks**, your next ability will release the stored energy dealing 3316 Shadowflame damage split between all enemies within 10 yards. This effect repeats for each stack of Shadowed Immolation.
👀 🔥
looks good
warm plinth
If that effect doesn't have capped stacks, I foresee some Rextroy silliness
craggy pilot
lol took dungeon pop in Ironforge Tram, and now i died when i got out 😄
lol and i ress in Westfal wtf 😄
balmy canyon
I wonder how the toxic phial will interact with that effect
hushed ember
Is Prots dps good for solo play? Like questing
twin comet
changed my loot pool to fury for one hander loot pool and got strike twice on my first NO run
frigid sentinel
should I be doing the frogs skip in Azure Vault? Most people seem to do it in the keys I've run as a healer, but I've heard that the skip isn't actually very efficient and the route on R.io doesn't include it
mighty valley
i don't bother tbh
minor forge
This week is complicated
Ive tried one route with skip and got obliterated at the 4 spiky boys pull after first boss, could have maybe gotten those % elsewhere
And a safe run with frogs but slower pulls due to bolstering big guys and it went real smooth
So I don.t think it's necessary
Both on 20
toxic dome
did anyone try to tank Boulderfist dummy in valdrakken?
undone verge
yeah
undone verge
idk I think I went for like 6 minutes or something
toxic dome
[Blazebinder's Hoof][Granyth's Enduring Scale]
10 minute 25 seconds
27.4k damage taken per second
i did it with the normal m+ build tho - i should try another time with better talents
shell mortar
Tanking dummy is quite irrelevant. Real scenarios have far spikier damage, different damage types, you can kite, different defensive usage, etc.
primal rain
Mage Tower.
since the first boss only cast spells, I should be spending all my rage on Revenge, right?
lime urchin
I don’t think you can hit revenge enough to avoid capping rage
lime urchin
And you want to spend as much rage as possible to fuel into AM
Shield block improves your shield slam damage, so keep shield block up
primal rain
Also, did the UI break? battle stance isnt on my stance bar
ebon geyser
How are we looking for season 2
warm plinth
How are we looking for season 2
zero changes so we're in the same place we are now. Prot paladin will likely be meta just because they're better right now.
but you aren't throwing by playing prot war instead
ebon geyser
zero changes so we're in the same place we are now. Prot paladin will likely be...
I have a prot pally and I started on a warrior. But due to rl and work I have been out for 4months
So I'm super behind on weapons crafted shit etc
warm plinth
Pretty simple to catch up with the new zone and all that
ebon geyser
Yeah but what about the spark stuff
My pally has created sword and weapons I mean their kinda base lvl
Warrior has nothing
warm plinth
Yeah idk. It's still something
ebon geyser
Should I just stick with the pally and move on?
warm plinth
If it's already geared and that's something that'll worry you, then yeah probably
ebon geyser
Just that the pally I guess people expect me to use all my blessings and auras and I'm not to good on macro over or stuff like that
warm plinth
I mean, aura is just set and forget and blessings aren't always necessary
I go entire dungeons without using a blessing on my pally
ebon geyser
I mean ppl expecting me to put blessings on them like being a tank/support
warm plinth
what blessing though? What are you referring to?
warm plinth
Like you only have two blessings and you don't always need to use them
ebon geyser
Or heal others help the healer
warm plinth
You can time dungeons without healing other people
How do you think people time dungeons without a prot pally
mental scarab
Prot Pally have to many frekking buttons
ebon geyser
Idk I keep hearing that I need to start helping more
warm plinth
No one has ever said anything to me so idk.
ebon geyser
U play both
warm plinth
Yes I play both
ebon geyser
Which u preferred
warm plinth
Not sure I really have a preference. Both have their shit that I like more than the other. Paladin has tons of utility. Warrior has the class fantasy and still decent utility
shell mortar
If you're that worried about what other people ask you to do then either play better or play something which doesn't have the tools to help others 👍
ebon geyser
If you're that worried about what other people ask you to do then either play be...
Is why I made the warrior
shell mortar
Yeah just play the warrior then and save yourself the anxiety
ebon geyser
Since before I stop ppl where like why didn't you heal me, use sac more or x or y
shell mortar
It's a game so if you ain't having fun what's the point then
ebon geyser
Only thing with warrior is that I'm new to it and I don't wanna suck at it or idk what to do in oOoOO shit moments
Like on panic mode
shell mortar
Play good
ebon geyser
Any tips on rotation, addons
shell mortar
Yeah, press buttons
Track your rage, shield block and ignore pain. Very important to not cap rage, have shield block up
Other than that, press buttons. Make sure your buttons aren't just sitting there off cooldown for 10 minutes
If you want little bit more detailed info, check pins for talents, specific bosses, etc.
ebon geyser
Ok. Fingers crossed. Time to undust this guy
Also, for dps. Any recommendations arms vs fury?
ebon geyser
why icy veins and wowhead have dif builds? any pref?
ebon geyser
wich one is the one we go too? i know mwahi is always here and i think llarod plays bre or all tanks
craggy pilot
Nomes general purpose build still has Thunderlord
oh nvm there is "Best build for M+"
craggy pilot
wich one is the one we go too? i know mwahi is always here and i think llarod pl...
check the pins
ebon geyser
i did
pin from wowhead is from 2022
when i go to wowhead its a dif build altogether
warm plinth
Mwahi writes the icyveins one. His build is basically the same as the key build in the pins except with bounding stride instead of titanic throw (which pretty sure even Nome runs that now; it's a flex point anyway)
craggy pilot
there are 3 M+ builds ("BEST ONE" is the best one ofc), and then there is 1 raid build
might need more raid builds for stuff like Rasz, Diurna, Council
ebon geyser
might need more raid builds for stuff like Rasz, Diurna, Council
in a month or so thats gonna be old content i guess
strong forum
Talent build is super likely not gonna change
craggy pilot
nah but what he means is we dont know how many different raid builds we need for next tier
might be just 8x ST bosses
unlikely but 😄
strong forum
Lots of pure ST bosses so far ye
But like, that's the general build, you then improvise based on what you need
ebon geyser
might be just 8x ST bosses
ohh plz no
potent gulch
Lots of pure ST bosses so far ye
All that matter is last boss. Is he st?
ebon geyser
anything i need to craft before 10.1?
heavy temple
how can i check, how many outburst casts where consumed with SS?
And, has anyone tested the pwarr tier set so far? Especially the AoE part after it has ended sounds at least weird
zenith sky
anything i need to craft before 10.1?
There is a small chance that a crafted item that got a socket from S1 tokens can be upgraded while retaining the socket. Relevant for crafted bracers and belts afaik.
primal rain
is juggernaut good for pure damage?
blazing condor
Bi-monthly ”bounding stride gang” comment
strong forum
is juggernaut good for pure damage?
Nah
primal rain
Not even mage tower? 😦
errant oriole
Here is a dumb question... can you do any builds without ravager? lol I hate to ask this but more of a curiousity thing
errant oriole
haha I figured 😛
sick sentinel
MT is easy enough
i duno but thisd version of mage tower feelz really way too extremely easy for me, its probably cuz im a schizo, but whatever
i butchered the meme
sick sentinel
Bi-monthly ”bounding stride gang” comment
i main bounding normally
70% ms for 3s OP combat or not combat
valid heart
Hey guys
Have anyone tested out the PTR for keys? Tried doing some +20s but it feels like i am taking no dmg, anyone noticed the same? Is something bugged?
nimble ridge
I assume I cant block during grieftorch channel?
jagged pier
nope
dusty monolith
a huge thank you to everyone in this channel. I just started 2 months ago and just now reached my season goal, with 3ish weeks to spare!
somber sky
toxic pewter
a huge thank you to everyone in this channel. I just started 2 months ago and ju...
congrats well played
crimson umbra
a huge thank you to everyone in this channel. I just started 2 months ago and ju...
grats bro! now come push 3k with me lol
hazy hazel
As previously a VDH, then swap to BDK…going Prot war had been the single biggest stress relief of my life
Hopefully they hold up strong in S2
sick sentinel
i have an extra s1 spark left over, so i had possibly thought about crafting one of these 4 to 405 to start
slim dove
a huge thank you to everyone in this channel. I just started 2 months ago and ju...
got 3 weeks, push for 3k
sick sentinel
i got weapon shield fire belt food boots all to 418
so, this is a i can do whatever with this spark
eager geode
Is there a more survival talent tree option for ppl pushing like 23s but with pugs ?
shell mortar
Is there a more survival talent tree option for ppl pushing like 23s but with pu...
Not really, just press more Shield Slams and Ignore Pains. Use Shield Wall early and often, it's a very low cooldown
sick sentinel
the "defensive" build is you take HR and DA (2 sw uses)
daring marlin
double wall bad
sick sentinel
true probably, just i can remember early in 10.0 we were telling people here to use x2 SW for like, jade serpent strike
shell mortar
Just pick up "the best" build from pins. It definitely is the best
There's still a reason to pick up double wall in TJS but, personally, played single wall in 25 TJS on fort and tyran and it was fine
heavy temple
How do I check, if I used my Outburst procs on SS or Tc?
dusty monolith
quick question, why heavy repercussion over into the fray? It feels possible to get >90% uptime on SR with shield charge with into the fray
shell mortar
quick question, why heavy repercussion over into the fray? It feels possible to ...
Easier to play, less risk, about the same offensive value in M+, likely more defensive value
Just due to the fact you cast lest Shield Blocks
dusty monolith
I started with HR and some random healer shat on me in a key for not speccing into the fray, thought the 10% haste was to big to pass on
daring marlin
I started with HR and some random healer shat on me in a key for not speccing in...
That dude is garbage.
shell mortar
Tell the healer to fuck off and that he's clueless
heavy temple
I started with HR and some random healer shat on me in a key for not speccing in...
Don't ever to listen to such people
daring marlin
HR is ezmode.
dusty monolith
Also is it a bad idea to go for bloodborne instead of punish for fort weeks or is the dps difference neglectable?
daring marlin
ITF will prolly see a whole lot more play next season with higher haste levels and last stand being such a big deal tho
¯_(ツ)_/¯
shell mortar
Also is it a bad idea to go for bloodborne instead of punish for fort weeks or i...
DPS difference is negligible, however you gain more defensive value from Punish
And more prio damage
dusty monolith
well F that one guy then! thanks
sick sentinel
its not that hes wrong, hes just mis-informed
understands the math problem but not the naunces to it
astral valve
Beyond Pummel, what ability should be reserved for handling sparks in H Raz? Should I save Shield Charge, or spec into Storm Bolt, or something else?
thin silo
I specced Storm Bolt for emergencies, even though our priests were usually Mass Dispelling the ones around the boss
It saw some use catching strays when people got distracted with the pushback mechanic overlaps
jagged pier
Beyond Pummel, what ability should be reserved for handling sparks in H Raz? Sh...
what difficulty?
if its HC
Stormbolt
if its mythic take fear and disrupting shout
and alternate
unkempt rover
Is there a build for 10.1 yet? Or is it the same as rn
remote venture
I don't see any need of changes. I would wait until May
sick sentinel
someone has a working thundering WA for the timer prediction?
some on wago just not work
tropic gorge
spell block is kinda good in sbg
sick sentinel
mostly for void slap i find
mighty valley
someone has a working thundering WA for the timer prediction?
the one that's built into dbm dungeons works fine for me
sick sentinel
cinderbolts is now under my list of trigger words
jagged pier
Is there a build for 10.1 yet? Or is it the same as rn
we havent had any talent changes so its unlikely
the tier set shockwaves doesnt so much tbh
so may not even be value in running bolster
but will change the builds if need be
gray wolf
talents of my tank for i feel like their wrong but what's ur lots take? are they solid enough (context: mythic raz)
he has a bad habit of just falling over so
wispy canopy
talents of my tank for i feel like their wrong but what's ur lots take? are they...
i see many "unorthodox" choice
sick sentinel
nm, im not reading raid
sick sentinel
he says its for M- raz
wispy canopy
yeah so..
I would take int shout and disrupt over shockwave all day
i don't understand why he take bolster with heavy repercussion also
sick sentinel
i normally only do mythic + keystones
so, i view alot of wow from that perspective
jagged pier
talents of my tank for i feel like their wrong but what's ur lots take? are they...
thats aweful not gunna lie
gray wolf
jagged pier
these are mine
R8 overall
no stupid dps build
just standard good build for it enough cc
astral crystal
talents of my tank for i feel like their wrong but what's ur lots take? are they...
you definitely want spellblock for rasz, can drop bolster, take disrupting shout, drop thunderlord, drop shockwave, go as much dps as possible also
median tulip
I can see why someone might take Shockwave for add stunning in the intermission, but Spell Block is just too good to skip.
median tulip
Makes them despawn, no?
astral crystal
it's honestly not necessary, your dps/heals will handle most of the adds, disrupting shout/warstomp if you have it are more than enough
gray wolf
thanks i'll try and make him run it
median tulip
Tbh my guild has stopped raiding, so my memory might be missing details
jagged pier
thanks i'll try and make him run it
just give him my build
and he can drop sudden death for instigate for more rage if he needs it
gray wolf
❤️ ty
warm plinth
ikr lol
remote venture
Don't tell him that, always follow the top player without question
warm plinth
Are you suggesting that a trinket that procs damage based on being hit is not good in a scenario where you get hit once every 2 seconds?
Blasphemy
jagged pier
rumbling is better for sure what trinkets does he have
jagged pier
he really has nothing?
gray wolf
not as far as i'm aware
jagged pier
not bothered to farm whetstone
gray wolf
nope
jagged pier
not got any from m+?
jagged pier
jesus
gray wolf
raidlog
jagged pier
F
daring marlin
beef
blazing condor
you said it
jagged pier
70% blocked hits and his top damage is his ring
i'd rather u didnt
and hes running all totem
blazing condor
sry can't understand #8
jagged pier
and cheesing on the intermission adds with shocking disclosure
jagged pier
sry can't understand #8
blazing condor
daring marlin
frozen ice
aside from using spell reflect and keeping up IP, what else do i need to do besides using other CDs for the reanimated ritual bones in SBG? they were chunking me hard through everything
grizzled kite
so uh, since we have parsing gods present, what consitutes a good parse %? Is it pure damage or is it based off anything else?
undone verge
man pugs are so fucking stupid
sick sentinel
what happen
coral umbra
Which is better for keys? Grief torch or whetstone?
modern brook
Sims
sick sentinel
i mean, why not both
ones a single target, ones an aoe, grief resets basically if someone dies, other just hits a bunch of targets for tons of dmg
torn gust
hows the prot tier set bonus for 10.1?
coral umbra
I am doing tons of pugging so grief torch has been really nice in keys
People die to everything
sick sentinel
Yogi can you give me stock advice
i get all my stock market advice from the creepy taco man wearing the pink visor in his parents basement in florida
pallid quiver
it make SS go CLAAAAAAANG instead of CLAAAAAAANG
undone verge
hows the prot tier set bonus for 10.1?
negligable, dont get excited, but its also not bad like some others
torn gust
negligable, dont get excited, but its also not bad like some others
gotcha ;v
round pendant
Right, I'm 14 points off of 2500, what dungeon should I do?
pallid quiver
NO's probably your easiest time, tbh, since 20 CoS is gambling with the weekly 20 crew
Jade temple should theoretically be fairly easy, too
round pendant
always had bad experiences on jade
warm plinth
You should do the hardest one just to flex
round pendant
especially on fort
warm plinth
RLP +20 let's go
pallid quiver
I find HoV harder with pugs
round pendant
🤔
pallid quiver
Because if they like, miss an interrupt or some shit, "key's dead" and the party just fucking bails
you can have like 10 mins as you're going into odyn
"key's dead"
warm plinth
KEY'S DEAD LUERCE
pallid quiver
I haven't gotten to hyrja in weeks. Granted, I don't do many keys,
but like, I'll pull the mobs before heimdall and the party's just like "gg keys dead"
and bam, im just left to die
warm plinth
I've had like, giga rocky first pulls in that dungeon and still timed it with plenty to spare
pallid quiver
the pulls didn't even have time to go rocky
they just see me pull them all and just fucking bail
warm plinth
wat
pallid quiver
pugs can be interesting sometimes
warm plinth
do you pull lashers + the 3 crystal dudes?
In a PUG, I highly recommend splitting that pull somehow
Because I guarantee you that maybe 1 lasher is getting kicked
round pendant
yeah I'll pull crystals + left pack of lashers
pallid quiver
The only lasher that's getting kicked in a pug is the one you're kicking
warm plinth
Exactly
pallid quiver
I've never seen a PUG DPS or Heal kick a lasher in my life
round pendant
same
pallid quiver
it's not part of the pug "play the game for me" kit they get or whatever
uneven mason
but like, I'll pull the mobs before heimdall and the party's just like "gg keys ...
You want obtuse, I had a party quit because I stayed and soloed the big air guy before bird boss in AA and the flipperhanded idiots ran the wrong way back and aggroed shit we didn't need to clear "wtf tank where are you" - sorry I didn't get yeeted off the platform
pallid quiver
oh that's a classic
Like, I think I'm far from a good player or good tank and all
but damn
I'm impressed some of these people can log on
i think we need the login screen back at when booting up wow, no instant kick through if you're signed in through the launcher. Think it might filter some people out
pallid quiver
yeah, i'm saying it should have you sign in twice, just in case someone just leaves their computer on 100% of the time after having someone else set up their account
round pendant
how do I cope with the crystal furies tho? they fucking HURT
pallid quiver
That's the only way I can see some of these people managing to log on
round pendant
especially the 4 pack
pallid quiver
how do I cope with the crystal furies tho? they fucking HURT
I assume you're getting sharded, which is a cast that needs to be hard stopped or you get punked on
So stun/fear/displace or CD through if you have to
warm plinth
You don't need to stop all of them. Just a fair amount of them so your dot stack doesn't get stupid high
undone verge
10 minute 25 seconds
went back and tried it in a ST build with a lil defense got 10:32 28.7K using whetstone and Icon
round pendant
aight just gave up on a +18 AV because
absolute ass damage
no one kicking anything
daring marlin
round pendant
no one stunning anything
round pendant
fortified bolstering is miserable
you just need 3 good dps or you'll never time it
I still find a way to blame myself
even tho the dps guys died like 6-8 times each
slow harbor
50k overall froma rogue on an 18 is so bad
round pendant
They were dying too so
slow harbor
prolly yeah, AV make it tighter
round pendant
not really no
fallow osprey
It’s probably not an overall though cuz he said he gave up
round pendant
yeah it was before second boss at like 22 minutes lmfao
fallow osprey
Ow
daring marlin
Just gotta grit your teeth and roll with it
get that io up and run with better people!
sick sentinel
this is another healer week...... sort of?
sick sentinel
its more like, are you awake healer? the monster is almost dead and therefore will 1 shot ur tank
daring marlin
prolly more on tank
mighty valley
one shotting tanks means it's no longer a healer affix
daring marlin
If the monster is gonna 1 shot your tank you dun fucked up
and you're bout to find out
sick sentinel
raging is like 100% dmg increase im pretty sure
daring marlin
nah
daring marlin
50% on raging
sick sentinel
its bolster ppl worry about more
i did a keystone and someone was talking about bolstering
mighty valley
bolstering is more in the group's control
raging just happens + you can soothe it
you actually have to think to manage bolstering
sick sentinel
storming is a nothing burger unless you have a cast bar, inwhich case i imagine it is the devil
daring marlin
gives you plenty of warning that it's coming idk
I enjoyed storming on my dk
pop DA and nom 'em all up
sick sentinel
i just go stand in them lots now
farm score for EH report at the end so i can pad on dmg
daring marlin
lol
sick sentinel
took 6 million dmg that means im good right
round pendant
Gee I fucking wonder who cost us this run
then he whispers me "all your pulls were cringe"
fun fact he butt pulled in every single section
toxic pewter
Me. I cost the run.
round pendant
dude kept dying to the sweepers on the first boss
grizzled kite
@round pendantall your pulls are cringe
round pendant
so I told him "jump for lockdown"
and he goes "I know... stfu"
dude is 3k rated and doing that kinda damage and playing like that
oh he's a healer normally
grizzled kite
get friends
round pendant
all my friends hate eachother
I play with 1-2 at a time
would be sooo nice to have a 5man
grizzled kite
get better friends
round pendant
?
grizzled kite
"all my friends hate eachother"
better friends dont argue with other friends over the internet
round pendant
🤷♂️
grizzled kite
I'll be your friend if you want
still crater
I've only got the heroic decoration of flame (402), but I just got blazebinder's hoof, which i can get to 415. It's only ~550-dps upgrade, but then I'd be giving up the awesome shield. I'd assume that the shield matters more to us, but what do yall think?
still crater
haste doesn't matter much to me rn because my gear is all fury. Deco is doing less dam but the shield is is 1/3hp?
grizzled kite
are you asking in general or in something like m+?
still crater
m+
grizzled kite
the shield is neglible since survival shouldnt be an issue with prot in general
still crater
don't tank raids a lot
grizzled kite
what trinkets do you have now?
still crater
fort bolster is definitely rough for me. Got one gap ~5 seconds between my last cd and next wall sometimes that i use deco in. Not an issue on tyr or before this week
icon@ 421 with avoidance is my other
I also ahve a 411 manic
and puzzlebox
grizzled kite
Torch is pretty gud amazing
grizzled kite
I'm running rumbling mythic/heroic torch
still crater
So, do prioritize dps over the shield stuff? Then, for m+, better to do whet or manic?
slim dove
yes, deco is giga meh. grief/whet are interchangeable, i prefer whetstone cuz im 5iq and kill myself with torch
violet flume
yeah torch sounds like a bad time if you fuck it up
grizzled kite
good opener
still crater
yes, deco is giga meh. grief/whet are interchangeable, i prefer whetstone cuz im...
whet it is. thanks for the tips
slow harbor
more dps doing 45k?
violet flume
fort bolster jade temple was definitely something
enrage and bolster should be illegal with fort
slow harbor
never
long flower
so not worth having on bars? asking cuz i dont have room for those 2 abilitys
slow harbor
yep dont need'em on bars
long flower
awesome ty
errant oriole
is the new raid more consistant magic dmg?
coarse ginkgo
Anyone have some good logs I could see of a Prot Warrior tanking Brood on M? Thanks in advance!
(Not the adds)
pallid quiver
If you're looking for parsing, just check out a couple of the current top DPS logs for Prot Wars. If you're looking for prog ideas, go back in time and check out Jakey's logs from when the raid was newer
uhhhhh i think jakey tanked adds during their progression so maybe not that
coarse ginkgo
Aight will do.
oic
Sifting on WL right now but looks like alot of DK's on Brood.
pallid quiver
Warrior doesn't have the best kit for tanking boss on brood in comparison to, say, DK or Monk or something
ionic fern
Pick Warrior->Look for lowest DPS Logs.
pallid quiver
Deffo still doable
coarse ginkgo
Roger and thanks!
ionic fern
Who's your co-tank that you're supposed to boss tank?
grizzled kite
3 tank that shit!
also aren't top logs one trick ponies / really specific to parsing?
shell mortar
also aren't top logs one trick ponies / really specific to parsing?
No
pallid quiver
To me, it sounded like double Prot War, but
coarse ginkgo
Sorry yes, double Prot. I'm on the Boss co tank on adds.
sick sentinel
Sorry yes, double Prot. I'm on the Boss co tank on adds.
Let us see your logs
pallid quiver
Well, first off, I immediately see Barbaric Training, and I ain't no raider, but that's generally a huge pain point for your rage economy in general and makes the spec much harder to play, particularly in ST, which boss tank by and large is, isn't it?
ah ghash is there already typin' too
Also, if it is mostly ST, you'll want to rock Instigate over Bloodsurge
warm plinth
Barbaric Training, bad. Bloodsurge when you're on boss, bad. 50% blocked hits, bad.
pallid quiver
Neither of those will actually help your survival in comparison to playing better and spacing CDs right
warm plinth
Enduring Alacrity over Ravager, bad
pallid quiver
Oh yeah, that one's rough because Rav's a pretty decent bit of rage intake
warm plinth
Vers is irrelevant. You need to work on your gameplay.
coarse ginkgo
Alrighty sounds good.
pallid quiver
Your IP casts are fairly rough due to Barbaric Training, which is making your damage intake a lot less smooth that it could be for not really any gain
You also had 3 uses of Shield Wall in 5 and a half minutes
coarse ginkgo
kk, suggestions of a talent tree?
pallid quiver
Which, considering Anger Management and Imp Wall, should be at like 1-1:30 min CD
coarse ginkgo
Yeah it's a little rough with popping eggs and the "kiting" at times I find.
pallid quiver
You also could have fit two more Demo Shouts in unless there's downtime I'm aware of, since you only cast it five times
An extra cast of Shield Charge, as well, in that case
coarse ginkgo
rgr
pallid quiver
Not only are those more damage, they give you more rage to play with to throw into things like more revenges/IPs to keep your rage economy flowing
For talents, check the basic raid build in pins that Nome has posted; unless you need something specific, stick with that build
coarse ginkgo
Awesome will do. Appreciate the tips.
warm plinth
I will say you're doing well not wasting rage, but with your talents you probably aren't getting much to waste 😅
coarse ginkgo
Fair
pallid quiver
Yeah, your co-tank, while they are on adds meaning they get more rage from Bloodsurge, they're generating like 700 more rage than you, which is probably more than they should be generating
In comparison, I mean
wait actually
your co-tank isn't running bloodsurge
warm plinth
pallid quiver
I think that is better, off the top of my head, I think I saw mentioned once?
it depends on how long the weak adds last
warm plinth
Yeah idk enough about the fight (read: basically nothing) to say for sure
pallid quiver
I remember seeing someone say you really only deal with one add for any decent amount of time because the weak ones get blasted
if that's not accurate, bloodsurge is better
dry spear
Anyone have some good logs I could see of a Prot Warrior tanking Brood on M? Tha...
I tank boss too. I am taking the cheat death talent. Helps alot. I watched a video for this. Maybe this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxNdKMhvHQ
pallid quiver
The cheat death talent was still bugged last I heard
coarse ginkgo
Thank you!
pallid quiver
Even then, Prot Warrior generally shouldn't drop low enough for it to kick in that often in comparison to the lost cost from the other talents in that corner of the tree
Ravager and the Shield Charge talents help you stay out of that low HP range in the first place too much from the extra rage, not to mention the extra damage you gain for free on top of that
warm plinth
Yeah there's no content where you should run the so-called cheat death talent (which is not remotely a cheat death)
pallid quiver
We'll ignored the fact BSV isn't even a proper cheat death
oh
ghash beat me to it
undone verge
another day, another 30+ wipes on rasz
warm plinth
undone verge
we got to 56% today tho so theres that
pallid quiver
Have you tried telling your DPS to outgear the content and blast past the mechanics?
undone verge
I tried telling them to stop dying to breath
warm plinth
That's good
undone verge
didnt work
warm plinth
That's bad
pallid quiver
yeah they just need the gear to ignore the mechanics, then you're good
undone verge
I only died once cause I tried being helpful and got tank mechanic to the back aparently
warm plinth
undone verge
tried to shockwave the sparks next to me and aparently turned too far away from the lightning chicken
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VrZBQ2vJ6hL7F8dN/ here the logs if you guys wanna flame me