I don’t know but if you have darker urine it’s usually not as good as clear ones. Maybe consider taking less. A lot of these formulas are more than what your body can process anyway and you waste a bit everyday by literally peeing it
#protection
crystal mauve
crystal mauve
Sorry I meant to answer @lusty tiger
modern brook
ancient greeks have erected statues of me, Peesiden,
lusty tiger
it can get clear if i drink like 40oz between each piss
which like i said i need to be doing
tropic gorge
Sorry for the delay
tropic gorge
The dashboard is fake wood yes. It's a peterbilt commercial truck.
The jar I posted above is peach moonshine
lusty tiger
The dashboard is fake wood yes. It's a peterbilt commercial truck.
The jar I pos...
oh thats a peach slice i thought it was a pineapple
tropic gorge
People have also guessed an orange lol
And I wish that was a jar of lsd. I'd never work again and be a rich man
lusty tiger
homemade moonshine is 🔥
tropic gorge
Correct. Remember, if it has a lable or you paid taxes for it, it ain't real shine
lusty tiger
it has a bite at the beginning but goes down smooth
and has a slight aroma of whatever flavor
lusty tiger
some kid mixed peach tea with vodka and sold it to me as moonshine in 8th grade
smh i hate that guy
cloud umbra
what a hustler
lusty tiger
nah hes a rat
dusky canopy
ancient greeks have erected statues of me, Peesiden,
Peesiden 
dusky canopy
i need to be drinking like 8-10 lbs of water/day
I usually just shoot for 100oz plain water + you get some in the shakes
slim dove
it can get clear if i drink like 40oz between each piss
Ur kidneys have issues bud
slim dove
I'm on a full stack of supps + 7.5g of creatine a day and piss clear drinking 14oz at best a day.
dusky canopy
Bro you only drink 14oz of water? While useing supplements
Your organs do not like you
slim dove
Drink if your thirsty. Judge color of piss. Don't overthink it
odd tree
No issues with stones?
dusky canopy
Sure but I feel like only drinking 14oz of water and pissing clear is basically impossible
slim dove
Never, 29 and I've never had them. Lifting on those supps for 12 years + road racing/endurocross for the last 5
slim dove
I'm just saying if you need as much water as the other dude said to piss clean
There's some issues going on for sure.
dusky canopy
Oh hell yeah for sure
You don’t need 160oz
Unless you’re cycling then I could see the want for more water intake
lusty tiger
Unless you’re cycling then I could see the want for more water intake
cycling?
dusky canopy
Roids
dusky canopy
You have a deficiency?
lusty tiger
yes
slim dove
Nah I'm on 200/week injections
dusky canopy
I honestly didn’t even realize topical was a thing
slim dove
Not trt
0 issues with water and shit
Fr if your drinking that much to piss clean, bring it up at your next check up
lusty tiger
i mean 200mg/week is slightly diff than 840mg a week surely
but yes
i have to get bloodwork done soon
slim dove
Topical vs injections
lusty tiger
Topical vs injections
yea what is the diff? like how much actually makes it into your blood?
lusty tiger
hahaha
i really would prefer to not inject and since its ~99% of T my body gets injecting feels too spiky
1x/month schedule was hell
modern brook
Drink if your thirsty. Judge color of piss. Don't overthink it
its not about drinking what you need
its about absolutely dumpstering other people's metrics
mighty valley
hey just checking in guys. we been talking about how clear our piss is for an hour yeah?
dusky canopy
So new explosive nerfs HUGE W
modern brook
hey just checking in guys. we been talking about how clear our piss is for an ho...
spoken like a true lemonader bro
lusty tiger
fkn lemonader
idk man
i guess pwar disc could double as a bodybuilding forum at this point
mighty valley
the only exercise i get is walking my dogs at this point
(get really good piss parses though, my metrics are strong)
paper garden
i guess pwar disc could double as a bodybuilding forum at this point
I do enjoy cycling myself... and when I start cycling more with warm weeather coming, I definitely will be drinking more water... kinda need to in my climate.
lusty tiger
I do enjoy cycling myself... and when I start cycling more with warm weeather co...
yea im here in S Florida
pallid quiver
I was gonna say, I don't actually see much bodybuilding talk in Prot nearly as much as the other channels
modern brook
I was gonna say, I don't actually see much bodybuilding talk in Prot nearly as m...
body builders dont play tanks
you dont put on mass for endurance you know
paper garden
yea im here in S Florida
yeah, you have natural humidity from the ocean... here in UT... desert land. easy to fall behind on fluid intake. but that's way off topic for this room...
pallid quiver
We just get the flab that bleeds a lot but doesn't actually cause life threatening issues, professional gladiator style
pallid quiver
remember when someone shouted at me for talking about fighting games in a way that was actual relevant to wow? good times
dusky canopy
The best part about skyhold is there’s no stay on topic police
We “shoot the shit” so to speak
And also help anyone who needs it
lusty tiger
a team effort to keep this place interesting
pallid quiver
There's 10/10 stay on topic police.
They're just not mods or regulars
dusky canopy
Well right just nobody relevant in that aspect
Where’s yogi when ya need em
We need a 2001 yt link of something completely off topic
slim dove
Weekly physique posts?
lusty tiger
wouldnt want nome to be in here anymore than he already is
dusky canopy
lusty tiger
omg any outsider looking into this discord and just sees a "irl warrior" channel of weekly physique posts
modern brook
We need a 2001 yt link of something completely off topic
Yogi 100% has the piss level of doom speed run locked and loaded for this convo
dusky canopy
Weekly physique posts?
Nothing beats the nom Mane
lusty tiger
id like to hit 195 so i can start cutting before i make a fool of myself XD
dusky canopy
Just cave man it
lusty tiger
Just cave man it
what does that mean
uncut helm
But, Egbob 1 yogi 0.
crystal mauve
Yesterday I realized something, I have an average of 90 for healing parses in mythic, which if only possible if I don’t get any healing for my healer. The pally doesn’t even Beacon me anymore :’(
lusty tiger
Yesterday I realized something, I have an average of 90 for healing parses in my...
mythic raid?
white gulch
m+ tank in battle stance or prot stance gogogo
crystal mauve
mythic raid?
Yeah
lusty tiger
m+ tank in battle stance or prot stance gogogo
battle
dusky canopy
m+ tank in battle stance or prot stance gogogo
Battle
crystal mauve
m+ tank in battle stance or prot stance gogogo
Battle as much as possible, better to be in Ðstance than dead basically
lusty tiger
and just weave prot in mechanics
👍
dusky canopy
what does that mean
Like all meat and vegi “cave man it”
lusty tiger
Like all meat and vegi “cave man it”
yea been trying- I am constantly eating ~1-2hr before im actually hungry. I do eat pretty clean though
crystal mauve
Hello Yogi
lusty tiger
im quittin wow to play tihs
next "wow killer"
sick sentinel
yo
dusky canopy
yea been trying- I am constantly eating ~1-2hr before im actually hungry. I do e...
Just do 2/1 ratio for protein/carb
uncut helm
The frogger piss level is edge of the seat gaming. You heard it here folks.
lusty tiger
i barely eat carbs
i have pretty low body fat
i would wager im already 3/1 protein/carb
dusky canopy
When’s mdi? For this
uncut helm
A hop, skip, and a jump away.
dusky canopy
i would wager im already 3/1 protein/carb
lusty tiger
thing is im barely hitting 2200 cal i should probably be aiming for at least 2600
dusky canopy
Yeah I hover around 2500-2600 when I’m counting
Been lazy with it for a bit
If you’re like a super cardio nut you can easily do over 3k
lusty tiger
ive gained 20lbs since i started working out 4months ago
dusky canopy
Sweeet!
lusty tiger
i just recently started some cardio
i try to run 12mins straight 3x a week
shit has me wheeeeeeeeezing at the end bruh
dusky canopy
I hate running
ruby vortex
i mean the best workout is the one you do. stay on it and you'll get faster or more endurance (depending on goals)
dusky canopy
I usually do stairs or max incline walk
lusty tiger
i like how horrible that 12min of running is
dusky canopy
But ye as stated do you bro!
ruby vortex
sprints are really good if you want to hate your life. also better for gainz (if that's what you're shooting for) vs distance running
lusty tiger
to get maximum suffering
my knee would be unhappy w sprints i think i havent done sprints since HS football 8 years ago
dusky canopy
Same problem here bad knees
ruby vortex
at this rate we are going to need a irl warrior channel XD. former fat kid here i got real into this myself so i'll geek out some
for the knees, if you're not for real damaged, you may want to look at trigger point therapy, generally your IT bands can give you knee pain if they get too bad
rowing (as a lot of gyms have rowing machines) is another great way to kick your own ass, so long as you get someone to show you how to do it proper so you won't eject your spine (herniate discs)
lusty tiger
I like rowing
ruby vortex
lol clearly you just need to do more, that'll fix that right up
lusty tiger
usually 5.5 speed on the treadmill isnt too bad at all
lusty tiger
lol clearly you just need to do more, that'll fix that right up
yea i havent gone more than 5min at a time yet
ruby vortex
yeah you can make it real short (i mean the sprint races are only 2k meters... you can be done in under 6 minutes! honest!) and go hard like crossfit does. but then it's good for longer stuff too, if you open the fan to the middle range and chill at steady state. like a reasonable 6k in 20 minutes, or go for a 10k as a long run (40min was reasonable there, as a college crew team)
lusty tiger
crew partakers are always yoked af
ruby vortex
lol it's a weird stronk though. you don't do any pushing with your arms/chest, so you definitely want to lift too
ruby vortex
but particularly as you get older gotta make sure you're paying your dues in selfcare. also helps you avoid those off-gcd repetitive strain injuries XD
lusty tiger
i try to be pretty safe
like not deadlifting amounts where i may fail mid set
i dont want to do that lol
tropic gorge
Rowing is a legit workout
lusty tiger
always feel the rows the next day
tropic gorge
I used to laugh at people that row their light boats in cities. Not anymore
ruby vortex
like not deadlifting amounts where i may fail mid set
as long as you're willing to drop it, you can still push. but yeah
ruby vortex
I used to laugh at people that row their light boats in cities. Not anymore
hard to take people in spandex too seriously
round pendant
I love getting declined from groups because my alts rating isn't high enough
they don't know that I do fat dps
lusty tiger
they don't know that I do fat dps
whisper them- "trust"
craggy pilot
i generally feel more unkillable on my less ilvl Prot Pala
but i keep getting declined to 16s even though i have 2800 r.io on main 😄
lusty tiger
i generally feel more unkillable on my less ilvl Prot Pala
prot pala is op
lusty tiger
it is
craggy pilot
even if alts
round pendant
raider io should implement log association with runs, and give you a B to S tier dps rating
that shows on the addon
craggy pilot
But damn is it fun
it could easily be fun without being massively OP
craggy pilot
raider io should implement log association with runs, and give you a B to S tier...
not even just dps
chilly brook
Perhaps
craggy pilot
but it would be way too complex
lusty tiger
nah its perfect rn
chilly brook
But in general imo tanking is more fun when you’re “op”
lusty tiger
they should bring other tanks up to ppal
chilly brook
^this
chilly brook
Yes because it’s the better way to do it
craggy pilot
then they brought Prot Pal above Prot Warr
and now you want Prot Warr to be buffed?
so just permanent buffs
chilly brook
Pally was already sleeper op before the rework
lusty tiger
yep
craggy pilot
in beta everyone were saying how good Prot Warr was, and how everyone should be scaled to the same spot as Prot Warr
chilly brook
Yes
lusty tiger
rework+10.0.7 ring really put it on the MFin radar
chilly brook
Which isn’t inherently bad
10.0.7 just made an already really good tank better and less annoying to play
craggy pilot
idk the Prot Pala thing with 1 pala 4 dps doesnt rly make sense to me
lusty tiger
in beta everyone were saying how good Prot Warr was, and how everyone should be ...
ppal was still sleeper
craggy pilot
because theyre doing like half the Prot Warr dps right?
chilly brook
Pally dps is pretty good
lusty tiger
yea to heal your 4dps youre losing some mit+dps
craggy pilot
Pally dps is pretty good
you lose a lot of the Pally dps if you go the heal talents though
chilly brook
But if you’re bringing an extra dps that offsets any loss of tank dps
craggy pilot
they do like 30-40k overall with those talents i think
lusty tiger
sounds about right
ruby vortex
lusty tiger
XD
craggy pilot
sometimes i think if i should try to get hobbies that actually "show off" in the real world, like dancing, cooking or working out
but then i just remember Prot Warr
and i forget all of it 😄
lusty tiger
you can do all of the above and be a prot war
tropic gorge
Prot war is a way of life
craggy pilot
you can do all of the above and be a prot war
or just do more Prot War?
jes more prot war is the answer
ruby vortex
do 2nd prot warrior, clearly
craggy pilot
😄
tropic gorge
It's always nice when a m+ pug invite comes and you see "welcome, I love prot war!"
It's like ❤️ I won't fail you!
Then you out dps one or two dps and ride to victory
lusty tiger
out DPSing DDs feels good but also awful
craggy pilot
out DPSing DDs feels good but also awful
🤣
its like "aw im so good" but also "aw hes so shit"
lusty tiger
always warrants some flaming in discord amongst your premade
tranquil vine
My priest gave me PI earlier and I was immediately second on the dps meters for the funnies
leaden creek
and i forget all of it 😄
zug zug to the throne.
craggy pilot
or some "how are you doing so much damage"
while they think you are doing over the ordinary dmg, and they are doing normal at 40k overall
craggy pilot
some people just straight up dont know how to figure out the new talents
urban portal
or they don’t have hekili
craggy pilot
even if you have hekili
and you use raid spec in M+
you will be off to a bad start 😄
ruby vortex
ok. well that's just being forgetful or bad
they might have the best M+ spec figured out and just forgot to swap
craggy pilot
one can hope
ruby vortex
not to say that I'm not bad. but i've definitely had runs where i figure out that i'm in the wrong spec when i go to use a button that doesn't do anything as i don't have the talent (particularly did this on DH as the spec was real similar except for details like having an AOE silence)
it's hard to not have a decent spec, given that you can just import now
craggy pilot
yea i had it happen on Prot War even :d
had no shockwave and storm bolt
played the entire run like that 😄
didnt lose that much though
ruby vortex
yeah. and as tank you can just quietly ignore that. i hear DPS players care about things like single target vs AOE 🤷
craggy pilot
i did run out once as Enha Sham with ST talents
ruby vortex
well, of course, someone has to kill the bosses. let everyone else handle the AOE. all part of the plan
for me at least getting the rotation right is the biggest thing. particularly if the current talents break with whatever you're used to
rain scaffold
Hey does anyone know if Defensive Stance alone increases threat generation regardless of spec? Or does it solely decrease damage taken and damage done as referenced in the tool tip?
craggy pilot
threat gen is the same always
rain scaffold
Okay. Thank you it's not like righteous fury
craggy pilot
you probably even do more threat in Battle Stance because of 15% more dmg
rain scaffold
I wish we had thunder clap as fury
craggy pilot
Okay. Thank you it's not like righteous fury
Righteous Fury???
you mean the classic ability? 😄
round pendant
if my group is dps evoker, shadow priest, ret paladin, holy priest, whatever tank, TJS is literally shit, right?
can't dispel the curse?
rain scaffold
Sorry I'm in between games a lot
So I mix up what's classic and what's retail a lot XD
craggy pilot
but generally, you shouldnt be in Defensive Stance
grizzled kite
Thunderlord - good pick for mythic+? Or it's like a must-pick for Disrupting Shout?
craggy pilot
Thunderlord - good pick for mythic+? Or it's like a must-pick for Disrupting Sho...
is Disrupting Shout a must pick?
and no Thunderlord isnt super great
rain scaffold
but generally, you shouldnt be in Defensive Stance
I know but I have pulled off some mega last second shield and defensive swaps which allow me to take an add or boss long enough for a brez to go out
grizzled kite
is Disrupting Shout a must pick?
Is that a question? I meant that if we pick Shout, do we also pick Thunderlord to maximize value out of it?
craggy pilot
Is that a question? I meant that if we pick Shout, do we also pick Thunderlord t...
Disrupting Shout and Thunderlord do not benefit off each other
craggy pilot
no
grizzled kite
I need to read the tooltip
Thunderlord interacts with Demo Shout, not any of the previous mentioned shouts
that was my mistake
north dew
do you guys have the same problem, that if you stand still all the mobs try to sneak around you and try to hit you in the back?
shrewd grove
Can't say I have, but I rarely plant myself somewhere while tanking
Too much shit to dodge and backsteppable attacks
craggy pilot
do you guys have the same problem, that if you stand still all the mobs try to s...
???
no
grizzled kite
do you guys have the same problem, that if you stand still all the mobs try to s...
It's just a pathing issue, try and backstep a bit and they usually orient themselves properly infront
craggy pilot
Can't say I have, but I rarely plant myself somewhere while tanking
basically this
stable valve
It happens to me on my pwar, BrM, and BDK
craggy pilot
never an issue i ever noticed
valid oar
is spellblock blocking dark claws?
north dew
grizzled kite
Yes
sick sentinel
👀
sick sentinel
i like 50% xp
lusty tiger
do you guys have the same problem, that if you stand still all the mobs try to s...
yes im pretty sure that issue has been exacerbated with this most recent patch
north dew
thats rly anoying
lusty tiger
hard agree
toxic pewter
Reroll prot pal
craggy pilot
i have 401 prot pal rdy for S2 if they stay as they are now 😄
gonna still play Prot Warr though i bet 🤔
shrewd grove
Reroll prot pal
Regularly getting into 20s as a prot warrior with no issues. It's not a class thing lol
toxic pewter
Nice
craggy pilot
well he did say "no one will join" not "no one is inviting me"
craggy pilot
so its more like a +18 thing vs +20 thing
prisma crane
that dude ALWAYS moves even when i sit perfectly still
prisma crane
he still moves
even when i do that
like if it was a normal mob you kinda just know that "ring" you can make around it and keep it in place
that dude just lives his own life
round pendant
<@71384769899794432>
eu
craggy pilot
ah thought you are Prot Warr?
round pendant
on me alt
craggy pilot
what are you?
round pendant
ret pala
thin glade
Dragons in RLP are the worst offenders for sidestepping for me, for whatever reason I often can't get them to stay put
thin glade
torn gulch
i just realised that all the cool items next raid are very rare items
people will rage so hard especially on some of them
blazing condor
Just get them
torn gulch
at least you can do normal and heroic and upgrade them to max heroic and base mythic with crests
you can get base myhtic raid gear without seeing mythic raiding
that's decent
craggy pilot
i just realised that all the cool items next raid are very rare items
isnt it the same this raid?
icon + fire rings 🤔
hunter bow
evoker staff
torn gulch
yes but it's on a new level next raid
there are some new recipes with cool embelishments that are rare as well
round pendant
@craggy pilot is my damage good 
craggy pilot
for 403 ye def
torn gulch
there is a crafted back with passive healing and an absorb shield which looks interesting
round pendant
yeah
I feel like evoker does trash dps
he got like 20k less dps than me in a dungeon before and it was still a 95 parse
I know key parses are whatever but still
craggy pilot
idk, feel like he wasnt using Deep Breath proper
craggy pilot
I know key parses are whatever but still
key parses are not based on dmg
craggy pilot
😄
round pendant
I wasn't on voice with him so I couldn't tell him to lust so yaknow
warm plinth
Devoker does okay damage. But it has some small nuances that make big differences
round pendant
you have the log?
The one we just did or the less dps but high parse one?
craggy pilot
the one we just did
round pendant
here's the other one anyway
craggy pilot
32min dungeon
round pendant
still, the damage is better than most groups I've been in
fort bolster makes it feel shit still though lmao
round pendant
I'm fast as fuck
slim dove
craggy pilot
🙂
warm plinth
I'm fast as fuck
FAST AS FUCK BOI
round pendant
no problem lol
warm plinth
one of these is not like the other 🤣
I think you're missing something but I can't quite put my finger on it
craggy pilot
mainly just the 1 +19
and the rest being ++16
while still having a hard time getting invited to +16 grps 🤣
round pendant
yeah it's fucking stupid
warm plinth
Oh I thought you were referring to the completely absent SBG
round pendant
the system is fundamentally flawed
craggy pilot
people have the weirdest standards
craggy pilot
Oh I thought you were referring to the completely absent SBG
nah
i guess i could bump my rating quite a bit though 😄
warm plinth
Yeah that's what, like 45-50 points just from doing a 16 SBG
actually more since you only have a 14 on the other side
round pendant
I just giggle every time I get declined
because chances are they chose a dps that was dogshit compared to me instead
craggy pilot
Yeah that's what, like 45-50 points just from doing a 16 SBG
gonna be way more
a +13 would be 55 points i think
rigid sigil
guys
protection warrior rotation?
dont tell me wowhead just say XD
is it revenge and shield slam
24/7?
and use cds
when ready
noble jetty
keep ignore pain up keep up shield block if youre tanking something
press SS TC and revenge
noble jetty
Just go for it man
remember to use your shield wall if youre gonna take alot of damaage
rigid sigil
shield wall
noble jetty
get a spell reflect weak aura, use spell block in keys
noble jetty
youre 50% of the way there then
also remember that spell reflect doesnt just reflect spells but its a 20% magic damage reduction for 5 seconds so even if it doesnt reflect the spell you still get use
warm plinth
Don't tell me wowhead, just say the same thing wowhead says
solid logic
If you're listening to wowhead, you should really untalent barbaric training though
rigid sigil
tojs
warm plinth
the guys in the 3rd/4th boss rooms?
rigid sigil
all of the dung
warm plinth
You just run out of the circle
rigid sigil
stuns
2nd boss till 4th
not that
dude and its also me looking at my action bars XD
pressing
warm plinth
Nothing after 2nd boss stuns you except the leg sweep guys
and you just run out of the circle to dodge that
warm plinth
Only you but you should still run out of it
warm plinth
You can't block/dodge/parry if you're stunned
rigid sigil
and
how to tank better
is there like a secret
i pull 2 tanks my health goes down so quick
verbal wren
practice
rigid sigil
i use cds
verbal wren
same as anything else in life
warm plinth
Sounds like a gameplay issue but without logs we have no way of knowing. Very likely you're not maintaining shield block at a minimum.
warm plinth
I will guarantee you that it's a gameplay issue.
Like, 100% chance that it's a gameplay issue if you're dying to a double pull in a +11
warm plinth
Unless you're like 200 ilevel or something
rigid sigil
415
warm plinth
We don't know. You insist you're pressing shield block but your feelings are not valid evidence. Log your runs, bring them here, and we'll tell you what you're doing wrong.
warm plinth
rigid sigil
alright
doing it
btw
is shield block available 24/7?
do i just spam ignore pain and that
mighty valley
with the right talents yes, it can be up all the time
rigid sigil
i did wowheads talents
mighty valley
look at the pinned talents here, do the all-round m+ build
then the fundamentals are
use your offensive CDs on CD
fill your GCDs with SS > TC > Revenge
keep shield block up (and face enemies)
and then press IP to prevent your rage bar overcapping
everything else is knowing what to kick, what to stun, what to walk out of
rigid sigil
i cant kick shit
mighty valley
and where to best use defensive CDs
rigid sigil
i only ahve pummel
mighty valley
yeah, you can kick one thing
the team should get others
plus you have storm bolt, int shout, shockwave for stops
rigid sigil
battle stance or def?
mighty valley
when you're comfortable with your play, you can stay in battle stance
and only switch to d stance for tankbusters
but if you keep dying while you're learning
you can stay in d stance
warm plinth
kick = pummel. It's just a universal term for an interrupt. Use the talent build in the pins here
It is a big difference but it's not why you're dying in +11s
rigid sigil
cant find it
btw you think i will manage to finish a +20 without timing it because im an asshole who wants 7 games for greatvault then take a break and level my other acc
or theres no way they'll rage quit after some wipes
warm plinth
If you're dying in a +11 what makes you think you're going to survive a +20
mighty valley
the difference between +11 and +20 is fucking astronomical
warm plinth
Yeah it's massive.
rigid sigil
whats barbaric training
warm plinth
A talent in the class tree on the right side
mighty valley
a talent from the bad wowhead build
warm plinth
Wowhead still recommends it but it's bad
mighty valley
find this post in the pins
rigid sigil
oh i dont havei t
can u send me the link
i havent been in the disc
that long
to see it
warm plinth
It's in the pins man, can you put in like, the tiniest bit of effort
We're happy to help but we're not gonna do everything for you
warm plinth
It's the 4th message down
mighty valley
dude yall use whirlwind?
no, throw it off the bars forever
verbal wren
Maybe you should like.... read a bit.... first
mighty valley
i haven't used it in years but some people like having it on the bars
warm plinth
Maybe you should like.... read a bit.... first
round pendant
I'm 403 ilvl, ret paladin and just did #1 dps on council in this heroic run
everyone else is like 412-416
mighty valley
most people do not know how to be good
median tulip
dude yall use whirlwind?
Whirlwind, Slam and Rend should be taken off your bars forever.
round pendant
I said "guys, you gotta press more buttons"
and a dude responds "you're pala" as if that's justification for doing less dps than a 403 lmao
median tulip
hamstring u use?
The only place I ever press Hamstring this season is the adds on Granyth in NO
warm plinth
Yes clearly ret paladin is so good that it does more damage than someone 10+ ilevels higher
I use it there, and the add on SBG 1st boss, and on spitefuls if they're in a sketchy place
median tulip
Didn't they nerf Ret yesterday?
mighty valley
the squad i usually play with just has better snares than hamstring so i've become lazy
warm plinth
Yeah I get that for sure
median tulip
IDK, I've bounced off Pally several times. Can't be an Ork = not good
mighty valley
unlock all race/class combos imo
warm plinth
They've retconned enough class/race combos that it should just be a free-for-all at this point
median tulip
unlock all race/class combos imo
Yes, signed. I wanna be an Ork DH
warm plinth
You only have to throw it at one mob though, and you have charge and leap as well
warm plinth
If that's how you wanna do it, sure, that would work. Doesn't really matter as long as you're careful to not get smacked in the back by a bunch of mobs
median tulip
how to do algethar plants pull as a protec warr
Mount up, tell everyone else to stay put. Ride around the room aggroing everything then drop Ravager and Whetstone when you charge back into the oncoming pack
mighty valley
use all of your cds on cd
warm plinth
Heroic Throw does not have a cooldown. You have a cooldown because you're running Titanic Throw, which you can actually talent out of (I know it's in the pinned build)
mighty valley
well, offensive ones
rigid sigil
defnseive
warm plinth
You can swap Titanic Throw to Bounding Stride and lose nothing
You generally don't want to overlap defensive CDs if it's not absolutely necessary
mighty valley
you might as well pop shield wall since it's really frequent but if you're dodging ground circles i haven't found tree room to be that threatening
rigid sigil
with new keybindings that will get me lost
warm plinth
Sorry I don't think people should watch car accidents and I don't want to be a hypocrite
median tulip
The most important thing on clearing the little plants is to make sure some trigger happy idiot doesn't pull threat whilst you are body pulling the room. Make it explicitly clear what the plan is before the start of the run.
warm plinth
like hey bitches, I'm pulling the tree room, attack early at your own risk
I think you could say it exactly like that and be fine
grizzled kite
warm plinth
How did you even get into a 15, what score are you?
rigid sigil
i just alt + f4
i cant
im so embarassed
im so sorry for them
and im never coming to this chat again
i stick to doing dps
grizzled kite
I mean
warm plinth
🤔 that's your prerogative, but we all started off being clueless
grizzled kite
you should be more embarrassed about leaving the key tbh
that's just an asshole move
rigid sigil
they wont get the key
n oway
i bet my life on it
they'll just rage quit
saved them time
why did wow make tanking so hard
warm plinth
You would've saved them even more time not jumping into a 15 after admitting that you're new. Do low shit that you're not likely to brick if you fuck up while you learn the spec.
rigid sigil
god will forgive me np
grizzled kite
will he though? 🤔
warm plinth
I--what
grizzled kite
You would've saved them even more time not jumping into a 15 after admitting tha...
spam revonge 
rigid sigil
back to furry
warm plinth
this is a fucking adventure rn
cinder nova
Where rage is never going to be a factor to limit the number of revenges you can cast, yes - it is.
That's usually from AOE pulls, and a majority of M+ pulls are adequate to generate the sufficient rage.
grizzled kite
Stop (Occasionally) Using Barbaric Training
yeah
the Wowhead guide only has BT on a raid build as well so it makes sense
warm plinth
Does it?
cinder nova
That'd be odd.
grizzled kite
last I checked yes
cinder nova
ST with tier and all your little gubbins BT is like somewhere near .5% behind
grizzled kite
AoE Build has it picked, not ST
cinder nova
Oh.
cinder nova
Only cleave build I ever use is Council.
warm plinth
It's good on some raid fights but not the majority I don't think
grizzled kite
Nah it's also on the Eranog fight specific build but I doubt that makes up for the adds part
Sennarth, as well. Kurogg etc.
elfin ginkgo
Hiiiii
I know this might not be the best place to get an objective answer, but I have a question. I would like to reroll tank for mplus for the first time and I am debating whether to go paladin or warrior. I would like y'alls advice. What is the best thing to do for a first time tank and why? Greatly appreciate everyone who takes the time to answer ❤️
warm plinth
Both tanks are fairly easy to play. Paladin will be higher in community perception (and is objectively stronger in keys), but warrior is still plenty strong and will get you to whatever key levels you're aiming for.
pallid quiver
Pally is probably nicer since you have more overall utility that's fun to play with, but
The above is mostly it
Whichever you find more fun to play is the better answer, though that can be hard to tell without having played the class at endgame
Pally's also notable in that you get access to potential mechanic cheese with bubbles and all, so there's that. Warrior probably has a more fluid feedback loop with rage though.
Both are 100% strong and capable of any content easily, though, if that matters
elfin ginkgo
Thanks! I will go for paladin then. It is the only class I have never played before so that will be interesting. Is dwarf the best alli race?
pallid quiver
For tanking, generally yeah due to Dwarf racial cleansing bleeds and all, which tends to be the most impactful racial overall. Race won't make or break anything, though, so pick whatever mogs best to you
grizzled kite
I think dwarf was picked mostly because this season had such strong bleeds from adds/bosses
warm plinth
It's also less important somewhat on a paladin since you have bop and divine shield already that remove bleeds
urban portal
bop removes bleeds too i think
grizzled kite
Yeah but it's risky to drop aggro so only usable as external on party members
warm plinth
what do i do?
Hearth
warm plinth
Yeah but it's risky to drop aggro so only usable as external on party members
Nah you just make a /cancelaura macro for it and spam it really quick.
rigid sigil
i was like oh ill come back to wow its a chill game then i findmy self playing for 20 hours straight
grizzled kite
Nah you just make a /cancelaura macro for it and spam it really quick.
It never registers the threat drop? Nice
warm plinth
Not if you press it quickly and don't dawdle on the 2nd press
elfin ginkgo
Well humans always mog best IMO
astral bane
Anyone know if spell block actually works against broodmother's tank soak mechanic in mythic? it doesnt seem to work when i use it
pallid quiver
Doesn't Pally have some divine shield taunt ability, too, now?
listen i don't look at pink class that often
warm plinth
Yes, they've actually had it for a while; it just wasn't pickable in SL due to the other talents on the row
But it's part of the normal build now
pallid quiver
so they can just slap that and be fine theoretically
are they able to bop themselves?
i can't remember that
it feels like they used to not be able to kneejerk
warm plinth
Yes but you have to use a /cancelaura macro with it because bop drops threat
pallid quiver
Yeah, that one for sure
warm plinth
BoP isn't always run either; depends on the dungeon
pallid quiver
It's tied to Spellwarding, right?
warm plinth
Yeah, spellwarding is in the spec tree, but they share CD if both are talented
pallid quiver
oh that's how it works
i only know that loosely due to casual pvp
fallow osprey
do i need dps and/or heals to have icons as well for whispering incarnate icon to be worth it in m+ or is it good just by itself
hybrid gust
is it even worth trying to push M+ this week?
warm plinth
do i need dps and/or heals to have icons as well for whispering incarnate icon t...
It's meh by itself. I wouldn't use it unless others had it, if I had other good options.
It's just a stat stick on its own, nothing special
fallow osprey
ok ya that makes sense, i have a heroic all-totem, heroic torch, mythic dec, mythic hoof to choose from but i guess that's a sim question ya?
warm plinth
So what combination are you using with icon?
fallow osprey
nothing yet i just got the icon, torch always gives me about 7%+ overall so i was thinking about that
warm plinth
Yeah idk. All-totem + something most likely, in keys anyway
fallow osprey
ok thx, i'll give it a look over
fair topaz
421 gear confuses me
if it isn't mythic raid gear, how does it exist?
you can only upgrade to 415, right?
i might be stupid idk
warm plinth
+20 M+ vault gives 421
fair topaz
oh so it's sort of like a special exclusive thing for 20 and up mythic+
warm plinth
Well it's just what the gear from the great vault scales to. Idk if it's really exclusive. It's just where it stops scaling
fair topaz
oh okay
frosty sapphire
Is decoration of flame any good?
frosty sapphire
Okay just curious
violet flume
all +20s timed via pugging only, time to take it easy until 10.1 now 😮
sand pebble
I love my dof finding it hard to swap out of - using 421 hoof and just got 421 icon
ornate thunder
Does anyone that uses a plater color and names mod to color the M+ mobs know if there is a way to set it to honor aggro colors before evaluating back to the interrupt/stun prios
Like, I want it to override the color mod if they don't have aggro when I'm in tank spec
sick sentinel
Been gone a few weeks, what stones should I be learning and tryna get for my Prot war bois
undone verge
Been gone a few weeks, what stones should I be learning and tryna get for my Pro...
storm infused, blood stone, prophetic twilight, freezing ice
swap storm and ice for aoe/ST respectively
sand pebble
Save a trip and make 2 rings
sick sentinel
Would necro be okay untill i get a blood?
undone verge
Would necro be okay untill i get a blood?
just grind it and reroll till you get blood
coral umbra
do u ever roll pestilence for the ring in nokhud or AA?
undone verge
not really
shell mortar
You can try and report the results here
It could be potentially a bit better on the overall meters
At least in AA, not in NO
finite bolt
anybody got a spell reflect anoucher?
sick sentinel
all +20s timed via pugging only, time to take it easy until 10.1 now 😮
you are a mucu braver man than i
i already taking extended break, shame i wont get 2500 prolly
hardy snow
i already taking extended break, shame i wont get 2500 prolly
Dont give up Yogi, we believe in you
sick sentinel
meanwhile druid problems
apparently, since 10.0.5 they have been experiencing this in human form
sick sentinel
what ring should I replace with annulet? Thinking Signet, but not sure if the autoattack bonus is better
424 annulet ofc
strong forum
The 421
tropic gorge
Happy Friday tank frens
grizzled kite
happy easter my target dummy frens
lusty tiger
No work today get Rekt
tropic gorge
The stock market is closed today, hopefully that means I'll have a semi short, easy day
lusty tiger
The stock market is closed today, hopefully that means I'll have a semi short, e...
Are you an analyst
urban portal
I thought fuel trades in futures and those are open forever?
frosty sapphire
Working today but I'm off early!
tropic gorge
I thought fuel trades in futures and those are open forever?
I'm not a trader at all. I'm a truck driver
sick sentinel
i cant decide if i want new m.2's or a better phone
have to get on that at some point, current m.2 situation is pitiful
left basalt
Just hit 2400 - First season stepping foot into any mythic, ever - this discord again is a godsend - from a luker, big thanks to all 🙂
amber siren
Just hit 2400 - First season stepping foot into any mythic, ever - this discord ...
congrats! 
amber siren
that was in the game in like wrath i think?
sick sentinel
its back with recruit friend now
tropic gorge
Having it with Raf will be good and helpful for brand new players
And ofc someone out there will abuse it, however they will probably and hopefully be a minority of players
sick sentinel
that is EXACTLY what new players need
especially if they are like couple
or brothers or sisters
tropic gorge
The downside to that ofc, is not knowing how to get to the destination without a summon
I've had that issue in mmo games where you get teleported and suddenly realize "shit I don't know wtf I am"
sick sentinel
i think the idea is the less new players summons the more new player
tropic gorge
Ya
Positive changes like that to help get more new players into the game is overall a good thing
The more the merrier!
sick sentinel
thing i would say too, is there is some tutorials that pop up automatically and that can be good or bad
but its stress inducing when you very first log in and then like, 6 come at your screen making noise
probably bad first impression
tropic gorge
I haven't made a new toon in forever to see how the new tutorial stuff works
pure rune
alright folks, very important question here. best ground/flying mounts for a human prot warrior?
tropic gorge
The gf made a rogue and played for a bit, the game did pretty good helping her get started. But she isn't a gamer at all when it comes to mmo games
tropic gorge
alright folks, very important question here. best ground/flying mounts for a hum...
Raz dragon skin is ofc bis. I like to use hipogryph mount, but I'm also a superior dwarf. Ymmv
I also like the brewfest kodo. Cause it's like a tank
pure rune
oh man, i forgot all about the brewfest kodo, that's a good shout!
they should add a barrel to it that gives out beer, like the Alterac Brew Pup does lol
tropic gorge
I'm colorblind, however I like the color set on the brewfest
Omg yes
The standard human horse could also be an option, esp if you have the SW guard armor for mog
Imo human female looks better on the standard horses than the male model does
craggy pilot
anyone here play Beta and tried out upgrading a 418 to higher ilvl?
if thats even possible yet 🤔
dusky canopy
I wonder how many times i have to kill priestess delrissa before she gives me wrists
solar sandal
in i2 of m raz, im getting annihilated by typhoon strikes. is that just how it is? or is that b/c im doing something wrong?
i'm the tank picking up the far elemental before grouping with the main group
plush tendon
It just hurts
especially when you dont generate rage cause you running back to the group
I did the same thing you are doing on a BDK
solar sandal
should i be running back or is it better to just sit there and keep rage up lol
solar sandal
afaik none of those adds are actually "tanked" right?
plush tendon
but ultimately I found staying on the far add just as he starts casting the balls then heading to the group was the best way
solar sandal
ok
plush tendon
afaik none of those adds are actually "tanked" right?
two need to be 'tanked' or at least taunted
or else theyll smack dps
solar sandal
oh they will melee? ok i think i just misunderstood that lol
plush tendon
I would also recommend using a CD when moving
plush tendon
oh they will melee? ok i think i just misunderstood that lol
they will Typhoon strike
solar sandal
i've grabbed the empowered one
and went to the main group for the normal adds
but im just getting typhoon striked the whole time anywya
plush tendon
yea, theyll typhoon strike from range
solar sandal
ohhhhhhh
plush tendon
its probably the only time in the fight where shit hurts
solar sandal
the mythic add doesnt do it right?
plush tendon
correct
solar sandal
i dont see it in my logs
plush tendon
he just stand there
solar sandal
ok
i think i spend too much time there
and my normal add was typhooning the shit out of me
solar sandal
yeah yeah ok
plush tendon
and its gg
solar sandal
i had thought all 3 of them just typhoon non-stop
which seemed wrong b/c i've only seen that ability when im out of range of where i'm supposed to be
so didnt know how to manage both adds
well that explains it then
heavy temple
I looked at some 10.1 stuff, isnt the DI racial kinda nutty with the class trinket?
sick sentinel
are we ditching the ring in 10.1 early or late those that been on ptr
mortal brook
Lol
It will take around an item level 600 statted ring to get out damaged
So sometime next expansion
dusky canopy
dont worry theyll nerf it x)
tawny kettle
hey guys, where can I find someone to level with who knows the game
I'm coming back after last playing on MoP
and feeling a bit confused
dusky canopy
subjective of course but in general i think so
leveling isnt really as popular like it was back then were people did xp groups like "Monkey runs" etc
now days you just spam que dungeons or get a 1-70 boost in 3 hours
scenic mural
Timewalking
cerulean tusk
now days you just spam que dungeons or get a 1-70 boost in 3 hours
Oh, is the BFA cave xp farm still broken?
cerulean tusk
Nah, the elite bird cave
cerulean tusk
Time to buy a boost to find out, could just be freehold spam. The good old 2 min DH runs
dusky canopy
true
tawny kettle
I need to get a realm change, I'm on wildhammer and it's empty
Gunna stick to a popular horde server
dusky canopy
I would definitely suggest doing the dragonflight campaign at 60
tawny kettle
isn't 60 the max?
cerulean tusk
left basalt
For the onyx Annulet is there any easy way to sim a different stone in top gear? I can remove them but can't add anything - or am i blind?
tawny kettle
what stats should I prioritise as a warrior
dusky canopy
Crit/Haste
some people here are on the side of the fence that suggest haste/vers
but crit/haste is the most damage
and we are so strong right now we dont worry about dieing
and vers wont make you live
playing well will
shrewd grove
Vers is a snoozefest. Don't max vers just bc it's boring imo
tawny kettle
so vers is like a crutch?
dusky canopy
vers is a stat that gives you damage and defense
but you need way to much of it for it to be viable
so you just dont take any on purpose
its like
ilvl>>>haste>>>crit=vers>mastery
cerulean tusk
Vers do allow you to push higher for your ilvl when you get stopped by gear checks. Atm warrior seldom face that, so crit is more value for DPS
dusky canopy
so basically you wont drop ilvl to get more haste but you will prefer haste if you have two items at the same ilvl and if you have two items at the same ilvl with haste and one has crit and one has vers you use the crit/haste one
etc
kinda make sense?
tawny kettle
I think so
dusky canopy
pretty much use the highest ilvl always
and if youre familiar with simming
that will get you the absolute best options from your bags
cerulean tusk
All you need to know really, shield is your best upgrade. Get a good shield and you can tank, no matter the content. It is the true bottleneck.
urban portal
you can have a noodle weapon
and can still survive
only downside is that your IP is smol
left basalt
*only downside is that your PP is smol
tawny kettle
any good addons I should be using?
also are heirlooms still good?
I hear mixed things
damn u level really fast with dungeon finder
kinda makes questing a bit redundant which is sad
mortal brook
Heirlooms are fine. Just not an xp boost really
cerulean tusk
any good addons I should be using?
Weakauras, set up an easy to read UI and an IP tracker. Then install spellreflect reminder list and get a threath plates adddon to more easily stay in control.
DBM/bigwigs, and you done with the basics really
round pendant
kinda makes questing a bit redundant which is sad
Questing is faster
Until 60-70
Then timewalking is faster
tawny kettle
What's timewalking?
tawny kettle
Weakauras, set up an easy to read UI and an IP tracker. Then install spellreflec...
cheeeres
cerulean tusk
Some special dungon type you can qué for, in the dungonfinder tool.
Basically it is old dungons that are scaled to you, so you can play them even at max level
cerulean tusk
tawny kettle
what websites analyse servers on wow?
cerulean tusk
?
upbeat flint
Is there a guide on Shield Block? I just started learning to tank on Warrior and I'm sitting between 85% and 93% uptime at the moment with the current M+ build (Into the Fray>Heavy Repercussions), Switch back to Heavy Repercussions seems a lot easier to manage