protection

[uneven mason]

Or the bunny girls

[dusky canopy]

5 months to go for the travelers outfit from RaF

[uneven mason]

Like "final fantasy, where you can put something the size of a baby in a bikini"

[dusky canopy]

Had to cop that quick on the 21st

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Just lots a creeps in ff

[chilly brook]

tf

'

🤔

someone make it make sense

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

i have an answer you dont wanna hear

[chilly brook]

go for it nom

[strong forum]

2

a) you did it for crafting
b) ||brain|| damage

but also, isnt vers proper good for ret

[chilly brook]

it is

that's not what I'm getting at

the gem says 88

when socketed it's 42

[strong forum]

ah

prolly to prevent low level gem cheesing?

idk

[lusty tiger]

i would suspect it is item ilvl based for that reason

[strong forum]

id think more character level

[lusty tiger]

if u socketed a 343 it shouldnt do that

oh tru

char lvl makes more sense

[chilly brook]

just weird

[tropic gorge]

What lvl is the toon?

[uncut helm]

They are listed as 64 in the picture. It's the gem scaling down to their level.

[strong forum]

(potentially)

or ui bug

[lusty tiger]

im deathly bored please somebody give me something whimsical to read

idc if its an MSN article

[uncut helm]

Go to the rogue discord and meet the sin doomers.

[lusty tiger]

🤔

[dusky canopy]

I imagine it’s like that so people can’t stop xp below 70 and then get super gemmed enchanted and blast in bgs

Blizzard actively prevents that sort of thing^

Or so it seams

[lusty tiger]

imagine having fun before level cap in world of warcraft

[dusky canopy]

Rip twinking

I had so much fun with that once upon a time

19 arms warrior rend to win

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[dusky canopy]

That with a priest pocket healer

[tropic gorge]

19 rog one hit kill ambush

[dusky canopy]

True true

[tropic gorge]

Good times

[dusky canopy]

[tropic gorge]

19 druids in wsg that absolutely no one can stop

That part sucked lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah the ones who were good at flag carrying made it wild

[uncut helm]

19 arms warrior with the boe gray from the rotten giant under naxx until they hot fixed the drop to have a level req.

There's been a silly amount of cheese in wow for sure.

[dusky canopy]

Yooo!

Yes dude

I didn’t get to experience that but that’s the sort of thing I like

Fun little cheese for lower level content why not

[frosty sapphire]

What's the best build for someone starting to learn prot

[tropic gorge]

The m+ build In the pins

Start there, it'll serve you well in all areas and get you started in lfr if you go that route

[frosty sapphire]

Okay thank you

[uneven mason]

Refresh your self on the fetid log and why brm is forever the enemy

[lusty tiger]

WTF

shield block optional

[frosty sapphire]

My stance button I'd right in the middle of my action bars how do I move it

[dusky canopy]

Edit mode

[frosty sapphire]

Ok

[dusky canopy]

You may have to move the bar overlapping it first

To be able to click it

[uneven mason]

Did you actually read it lol @lusty tiger

[lusty tiger]

yes

stagger being too op

[uneven mason]

Same tier where bdk was getting one shot by that boss, but brm was just no handing it

[lusty tiger]

XD

yea i didnt know how it was for the other tanks

[uneven mason]

Pwar was stonks

[lusty tiger]

i wish pwar felt like slands pwar

[uneven mason]

But not smooth brain stonks

[lusty tiger]

that was stonks

[uneven mason]

No

SL pwar was bad

Df pwar good

[lusty tiger]

i mean s3/s4

[uneven mason]

No

[lusty tiger]

i dont like leeching

[uneven mason]

That's confusing borrowed power crap with the class

[lusty tiger]

if rather just be immortal normally

i want fleshcraft back

[uneven mason]

Like, SL pwar was pretty bad, not 8.0 bad, but rough, if it wasn't for Lego and covenants we wouldn't have had much to stand on

[lusty tiger]

if i could get slands s4 pwar but without needing reprisal

id be (:

[modern brook]

SL tanking was bad

[uneven mason]

I mean banner looked engaging and added a skill floor

[uncut helm]

Ancient Aftershock or whatever was more fun to me than banner. Hot take I'm sure.

[lusty tiger]

or if there were reprisal, charge has no minimum range

80 cpm in a key was wildly awesome

[modern brook]

you're just describing sheild charge

[lusty tiger]

sure am

[uneven mason]

You mean the mentality of tanks shouldn't do damage and be completely reliant on healers

[modern brook]

i mean SL tanking was the least fun its been since the game came out

everything about it was ass

[lusty tiger]

there was a lot of responsibility on tanks

for no reason

[modern brook]

no it was the opposite

the tank just got punished for everyone else not doign what they're supposed to

[lusty tiger]

yea

thats what i meant

[uncut helm]

The tanks had no agency and were too dependent upon the group lol

[lusty tiger]

but it felt like the tank's responsibility

[modern brook]

we also werent allowed to deal damage

and like ikari said

[lusty tiger]

idk i dealt damage

[modern brook]

they over sold the "tanks are erliant on healers to tank" aspect of it

[uneven mason]

Loving the random target casts

[modern brook]

which didnt even work

cause it just turned into kite city

[uneven mason]

Oh you don't have your kick, well I don't have one for you either

[uneven mason]

This really killed my desire to push on m+ even though I dragged my guild through their weekly vaults

[lusty tiger]

i quit slands because kiting and annoyance of unlocking weekly borrowed power early s1

didnt come back until very end of s2

[modern brook]

i just stopped tanking 🤷

[lusty tiger]

this never feels like an option for me

[uneven mason]

I became homeless!

[lusty tiger]

getting pug tanks who run around like a roach u just sprayed w lysol

makes me wanna end it

[lusty tiger]

that would make it hard to do m+ i would imagine

[modern brook]

the other option is to get pug dps

who cant do mechanics, dont have interrupts bound

somehow only pull 24k overalls

its L no matter what

[lusty tiger]

pain

[tropic gorge]

That's why it's easier to just do it yourself

And what keeps me from trying to heal, lmao

[lusty tiger]

i like healing a lot

[uneven mason]

I play my resto shaman here and there

[lusty tiger]

been trying to read manga at work all day

but even that is too boring

[modern brook]

are you at the point in the cycle where you work at work cause its more interesting than not working?

[lusty tiger]

i finished all my work

[modern brook]

Oof

[lusty tiger]

so im passed even that

[uneven mason]

If I could get more work

[modern brook]

yall can do my worok

i dont mind

[uneven mason]

If you pay me

[modern brook]

smh

im out here

trying to help the homies out

and this guys asking for money

smh my head

[lusty tiger]

ill just smoke a bunch of weed and hope none of my coworkers try talking to me

[uneven mason]

I don't want to repeat the homeless bit

[lusty tiger]

LMFAO

[modern brook]

[still hearth]

Question - brood p2 mythic - 2 warrior, swap every slam yes ?

[jagged pier]

u should do that regardless of tank

[lusty tiger]

so toxic

[agile tiger]

sonic boom

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnmh7dF4c2U

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

when you are EXTRA toxic

[still hearth]

yeah and non active boss tank takes first right 🙂 ?

ideally

[jagged pier]

shouldnt matter

[still hearth]

thank you

[jagged pier]

our boss tank took the first one

🤷

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670758470848610312/1057003203742412800/skate.gif

[hardy snow]

there is no such thing as dps brain

especially on dathea

[jagged pier]

oof

[split remnant]

Is Strike Twice something "broken" or I can pass on it for 3 ilvl upgrade? (I have 421 weapon and now I opened Vault with Strike twice also 421ilvl)
Idk if I simmed it correctly but it says 1% dmg increase. That seems irelevant enough to not take it.

[modern brook]

[fresh igloo]

its BiS and relatively rare so

up to you i guess

1% damage increase on a sim is pretty large.

[modern brook]

It's literally free damage

^ also that

[fresh igloo]

it's all gonna change in a month so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban portal]

1% is a decent amount

3 ilevel on 1 piece of gear is not 1%

[icy citrus]

well i just need a simple answer squad.. i just logged in after a month and i feel so weak on my pwarr. have they nerfed us or its just time that have happened?

[urban portal]

No nerfs in the last month

Last nerf was early Jan

[fresh igloo]

the nerfs that DID happen were super minor

prot warrior hasn't really changed, prot paladin is what changed

[sick sentinel]

Feel like current prot paladin is 10x better than prot warrior ever was this season

[uncut helm]

Yeah everyone thinks they want the top spot until blizz has to take off the gloves. They can get a bit overzealous with adjustments. You want to exist in the excellent but not too good area. 😂

[icy citrus]

thats true and well said

[sick sentinel]

Being able to heal a +28 Tyrannical Talixae (CoS 2nd boss) as a tank is beyond ridiculous , there's no way they don't get nerfed in some capacity

[icy citrus]

but still, idk why but i feel so fu*kin weak..

[fresh igloo]

without logs and such we can just guess

are you letting shield block fall off

[icy citrus]

i dont really think so, i think my rotation and resource managment was pretty damn good before i took a pause

[lusty tiger]

logs?

[icy citrus]

i'll log next key so we can see

i really hope so that the problem is in the rotation

[lusty tiger]

you should log every key

technically any pwar problem is rotational

rage management, CD management, and CPM

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gif-8982648

[frosty sapphire]

What do I do with these dormant primordial fragments

[jagged pier]

upgrade the gems

[split remnant]

I took 3ilvl upgrade on shoulders because fuck taking the same item (weapon) twice. 😛 And just like Macfegusson said. Its gone in a month so who cares.

[urban portal]

Yeah doesn’t matter

But 1% st damage is a LOT

[lean gale]

Hey guys! i have the frost stone in ring, and it does not really do much dps on ras myth. My co tank a druid has the arcane stone and it does double my dps

Frost stone not that good at rasza?

[jagged pier]

i dunno it did 4k dps for me on raz

the arcane stone is only good for druid because their talents effect the damage it does

[dull hamlet]

I want to cast Ravager at my current location, but using shift modifier should cast it at cursor location. How would that macro look like?

[urban portal]

Is it doing double the dps Raw or %

Ring makes up for a higher % of a tanks damage because they do less damage

[lean gale]

raw

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jNDCJgFK7GRr13Lv

[urban portal]

Then it may be better

They are all just procs

Sometimes it’s just luck

[sick sentinel]

i still havent made my "combo ring" to 424 yet

the main one

[dusky canopy]

Selling grieftorch resets

[sick sentinel]

solution, get lfr, normal, heroic GT

sell LFR normal, refund

repeat, profit

get banned

"game abuse"

[dusky canopy]

Nah 10k ea

Imagine

[dusky canopy]

Do you also have blood and twilight stone?

[lean gale]

Yes sir

[fresh igloo]

something like this, off the top of my head:

/cast [nomod, @player] Ravager
/cast [mod:shift, @cursor] Ravager

might need to fiddle with the conditional syntax a bit

[sick sentinel]

i keep forgeting to use it tbh

my new grief torch

have to get use to it

[dapper shuttle]

If you hit alt and cast ravenger it casts at your location

[uneven mason]

TFW the power goes out just as you finish work

[dusky canopy]

Conveniently

[uneven mason]

I can assure you as long as Chris Metzen is at blizzard nerf and paladin are not to be uttered in the same sentence, contractually.

[sick sentinel]

pog

i hate that dungeon

not overly hard, but something about it i didnt like, could have been thundering

[uneven mason]

This is one of the things that people still hammer on, the half dozen times in an expansion warriors can Sr a 5.5bajillion damage nuke, ignoring the 3dozen occurrence of dk or pal just cheesing

[slim dove]

I don't think anyone hammers on about it anymore tbh

[sick sentinel]

still haven't done a single key this week

honestly i didnt even know u could sr all of them, i did 5 in a row

then he died

not entirely true, i did a +5 for some reason after getting GT

[pallid quiver]

DPS get mad about it

[slim dove]

I healed a 22no Tyr last week and still took a prot pal over war just cuz it makes 2nd and 3rd boss afk

And it makes 4th intermission easier too

[uneven mason]

If they complain about warriors after the "paladin awakening" it's about sr

[slim dove]

Yee just like from a healer perspective rn, SR doesn't make me take warrior lol

This week on fort I like em tho cuz they tank trash so well

[verbal wren]

I said in here that I thought the whole SR being overpowered thing was overblown and someone went after me for it because of Nok. Definitely still triggers people

[sick sentinel]

main reason to invite warrior is chargey boy

[icy citrus]

idk if guys from previous conversation regarding rotation and stuff are here, but log is here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4R68QyjkDvz9TmaP/

[bronze lily]

Kinda new to warrior so quick question: how important is the shield slam/ignore pain co-macro? Should I be using that in place of un-macroed shield slam entirely or are there more specific instances it’s important to use it?

[dapper shuttle]

It’s just to prevent capping rage when SS procs. It’s not needed but a huge QOL thing

[bronze lily]

So safe to replace shield slam entirely with the macro?

[dapper shuttle]

no just replace ignore pain with it

[bronze lily]

Ahhhhhhh I see the usage now

That makes way more sense lol

[median tulip]

You use it in place of Ignore Pain entirety.

[fallow osprey]

i run a similar key level to you, i saw of that of the 4 deaths, the first was due to a thundering fail by the group, the third was due to not spell reflecting or outranging dark claws, and the fourth was standing in the conal from the sha add. were you referring to the deaths you had when talking about feeling weak earlier?

[verbal wren]

You are letting shield block fall off a lot in trash

last pull has only 20% blocked hits

[fallow osprey]

i think blocked hits % was 75% where theoretically you could block all of them right? i don't know what percentage people get in practice though

[verbal wren]

Yeah I was picking a bad pull on purpose

but even overall the blocked hits is low

I usually get over 90%

[fallow osprey]

yeah

[icy citrus]

Yes, i was refering to the overall weakness you know.. Those deaths were just situational mistakes ofc

So low shield block uptime

[fallow osprey]

seems like one of the big ones, ya

cpm is good, not wasting rage much

[left basalt]

Where is this macro you speak of?

[warm plinth]

#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

Put on IP button

gg

[leaden creek]

Thank you!

[tropic gorge]

goddamn where is that from

[warm plinth]

it's spell reflect damage from conductive strike on the last boss of NO

[scenic mural]

Can do it on the storm boss too

[cloud umbra]

you can but conductive strike hits WAY harder

[mighty valley]

why is that a "but"

spell reflect both bosses, obviously

[warm plinth]

we do both

[cloud umbra]

i mean that number is mainly from conductive

[warm plinth]

just don't do what I did and move out of melee right after reflecting one because your dps were standing on top of you with lightning strike 🙂

[mighty valley]

the number in the image is literally only conductive

[warm plinth]

That number is only from conductive strike from what I can see

[warm plinth]

yep I literally said in voice to my group "well I'm dead"

falls over

[mighty valley]

you tried to be polite. you die

[warm plinth]

yep, no good deed goes unpunished man

[cloud umbra]

oh snap i didnt realize.. i thought that was overall

[uneven mason]

Sr is our only trick

[cloud umbra]

maybe one of our biggest in nok

[sick sentinel]

im not sure how or why

[mellow harbor]

battle stance in TJS, brave man

[pallid quiver]

But you really only need it for third boss tho

Def stance i mean

[sick sentinel]

sbg but close

only a 16, just, i dont recall turning it off to begin with

never died myseldf we had less trhan 10 deaths

i gotta get another 418 thingy, im 6/10 for one rn i think

[grim nymph]

Did AV get stealth buffed?

I got 1-shot by the piercing shards through spell block, demo shout, and spell reflect on a +24 for well over 600k

[dusky canopy]

probably hit you in the back

[grim nymph]

nah, it was blocked

[dusky canopy]

got the log?

[grim nymph]

Unlogged

[dusky canopy]

[grim nymph]

Death log was something like: Piercing shards hit you for 540k nature, 620k blocked, 120k absorbed

had 1 or 2 bolster stacks

[warm plinth]

Sounds like bolster + arcane fury to me

[grim nymph]

It's never hit remotely close to that before

[warm plinth]

Maybe people were purging it before like they're supposed to

idk, we can only speculate without a log 🤷

[dusky canopy]

2 stacks of bolster makes it hurt but not 100 to zero with multi dr rolling

[grim nymph]

definitely shouldn't

I've tanked it on 26

[dusky canopy]

like ghash said already were guessing

[grim nymph]

yeah, I was just wondering if there was a known change

[warm plinth]

A completely unmitigated 28 fortified piercing shards is about 650k damage

So it doing that much damage means bolstering and most likely arcane fury were involved

[sick sentinel]

can you provide any evidence of your wild claim

screen shotof details or anything at all

possibly raging

double dps

[warm plinth]

why you gotta make it sound like the dude is trying to make shit up yogi lmao. He just came to ask what happened

[median tulip]

Bolstering is self-multiplicative as well, nowadays, isn't it?

[scenic mural]

raging on bolstering week hell yeah

[grim nymph]

I got no reason to lie lol. Was just wondering if there was a stealth buff cause that seemed absurd

[half stag]

Is there a way to enchant shields?

[warm plinth]

Nope. They did away with those quite a long time ago.

[half stag]

Ok thank you for the response

[shrewd grove]

Spent the night teaching people Rasz

Lol

[shell mortar]

Weird flex but ok

[shrewd grove]

Not meant to be a flex. Just excited when the numbers go up! Been working on some tips from the people here and it has been cool to see the progress from it

[minor forge]

Got a 421 blazebinder in the vault
Currently have 408 icon and 408 all totem
Safe to assume blazebinder is better than icon when I have no one in party to pair it up with, right?

[viral elk]

Yes.

[minor forge]

Thanks
Will try it out

[shell mortar]

I'm just memeing. Good job, pal. Keep up pumping

[worldly sapphire]

hello guys! which are the best defensive trinkets you can get from dungeons or craft?

raiding is not an option for me

i am interested only in m+

[strong forum]

None

All "defensive" trinkets suck ass

The only trinkets you want from m+ are whetstone + Hunger/blazebinder hoof/trample hoof/big toe

[worldly sapphire]

ok, thanks for the info

[ashen coral]

Hello, I would like to have advice for improve my pulls

Now that my team mates have improved their dps, I tend to struggle to take the aggro, at least at the beginning, I don't have my cds everytime and sometimes I charge one and I use revenge/thunder clap but if they attacked the ennemi I didn't charge they sometimes steal my aggro (they could wait 1 sec to be sure but as they don't I don't know if it's normal or if I am meant to still take the aggro without needing taunt), sometimes it's only one mob (because there is a mage), sometimes it's several mob if the paladin attacked at the same time as me

I would like to get the trinkset which deal 250k in aoe every 2 minuts but I don't so if you have advice it would be nice

[strong forum]

Usually a dps should wait a tad bit

[ashen coral]

Ok so it's normal x) I will try to deal with it but by knowing it's not something I don't do well (at least for that), thanks

[strong forum]

Waiting a sec is normal, but general threat issues shouldn't be

What kind of overall dps are we talking here

[ashen coral]

I have never lost the aggro of a boss for example

It may have happened with one mob in multi target though

[empty locust]

Is there likely to be any change in lariat being bis for 10.1?

[strong forum]

Well yeah bosses should never be a case for contention

[ashen coral]

It depends, I am between 25k and 35k I think

[strong forum]

And your dps players

[strong forum]

Probably not

[empty locust]

Cheers

[ashen coral]

I don't remember well but irrc it's 60~70k

Or less

When I am at 25k they are closer to 50k

[strong forum]

You could definitely do more

[ashen coral]

My ilvl is 405

I use defensive stance

[strong forum]

With that you can defo pull like 40-50k

Practice makes perfect

Just keep at it, use your CDs often, don't hold them

Use outburst primarily on shield slam

[ashen coral]

The max I did was 45~50 in al gethar but otherwise it's way less

[strong forum]

Ye AA is always larger

Pay more attentions to which buttons you're pressing, don't just randomly hammer them without thought

That's a thing alot of people don't do

Even people in the top 20 of tank players hammer some random buttons

Doing less damage than they could

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mash-buttons-press-himouto-umaru-chan-anime-gif-17872461

[strong forum]

^ideal classic rotation

Right there

[ashen coral]

I always use my demoralizing shout/avatar/offensive cd on cd (of course if I have to wait 3 second for avatar or demo I do before to use a cd)

And for the rotation I just use what I have between thunder clap and shield slam, and I use revenge every 5 second for the 4p

[strong forum]

That's not enough revenge

Don't just use it for the 4pc, but still

[ashen coral]

Is revenge better than thunder clap and shield slam if I have both ?

[strong forum]

You may say that you do those things, but still just pay more attention to your buttons

It can do no harm

Revenge isn't better no, but only using it for 4pc isn't correct either

You don't care about the uptime of it for dps

[ashen coral]

That's why I try at least, it may be improved in practice ofc but I don't think I do it so badly

[strong forum]

Numbers don't lie

Im pulling 70k with 419 ilvl in pretty much every key outside of smbg
14 ilvl dont equate to an over 100% increase

You can always do better

[jagged pier]

[ashen coral]

Well I don't know then x)
(I don't have addon so I can't say precisely what damages I actually do but the times I asked it was it, good dps have usually twice my dps)

But if revenge isn't good for dps, why should I use it more often ?

[jagged pier]

SS reset

[ashen coral]

I don't use revenge during execute time also

[strong forum]

It's good for dps, but shouldn't be prioritised over thunderclap or shieldslam

Revenge is your Tool to reset shield slam and obv slap in aoe

[ashen coral]

If your question is if I do revenge when I have neither shield slam and thunder clap then yes I do

[strong forum]

Then just keep at it

[ashen coral]

I will ask to my team mates my dps the next time as I don't have addon, maybe it has improved since last time

[strong forum]

You'll just need more practice and get a better feel what you can and can't do

[ashen coral]

Do you use defensive stance or offensive stance ?

[strong forum]

I basically never sit in defensive stance

It's a minimum 11% dps loss to sit in d-stance perma

[ashen coral]

It could partially explain

[strong forum]

So just from you switching from d to B stance will increase your dmg from 25-35k to 28-39k

[ashen coral]

Doesn't offensive stance increase crit rate as well ?

But yes about the cd I think I can improve it because it happens sometimes that I use them before demo or avatar (not so often but sometimes)

Also, I don't do big pulls although I would like to, my team mates don't like when I do

For example in Odyn's dungeon I do pulls 3 by 3 (unless they are more than 3 in the same pack ofc)

[lime urchin]

You play with same people often?

[ashen coral]

Yes with my guild in vocal

Not every time though but really often, and when I tag with random people, things aren't worse

[sick sentinel]

anime detected, opinion disregarded

[little shale]

Anyone got a sec to check some talents and logs for prot on raz prog? It's going OK just looking for some tips?

I've chucked it in the log channel to avoid spamming here.

[amber siren]

yeah you can post logs here

[little shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PnMFNLCwTH1xfGrV#fight=28&type=summary&source=30

Ty

[sick sentinel]

2200 io thing is i have to earn it during s2 and it comes at end of s2 right

[jagged pier]

umm some pointless talents seismic reverb is pointless that should be crit damage for sure, everything else is okay. there is an arguement for HR over ITF which u are using as u arent in range of a lot of ppl alot, however u arent playing correctly like u have ~70% blocked hits when u should have 100% with your talents

your SS casts are also really low like several CPM off what it should be

[sick sentinel]

and also, what, 2500 is all 20's with a +1chest ?

[jagged pier]

its less

[sick sentinel]

best i did wase 2 chest 17 SBG both tyranical and fort

[craggy pilot]

all 20s is like 26-2700

[mental scarab]

Im almost 2600 and some keys are 16

[sick sentinel]

i would like 2400/2500 whatevewr it is for the mythic appearances and the lightning effect

but god damnit im lazy

my opinion about KSM mount is it should almost be like transformable like the arena mount

2k you get basic ground mount, 2500 you get flying/dragonflying, 2.8/2.9/3000 io you get arena mount but for KSM

[little shale]

Thanks man.

Anything else standing out?

[jagged pier]

not really

[little shale]

Dream. Thanks.

[mental scarab]

Eh 2500 is easy me and my frends play like monkeys 99% of the time and We got it

[sick sentinel]

i'd upload my most recent but its not very useful information probably

i have no frens, just the pugs 🙂 those are my frens

[uneven mason]

If you have a consistent team getting ranking is easy

[mental scarab]

You dont know my frends

Hehehe

[uneven mason]

Friends

[mental scarab]

[uneven mason]

The jailer bored my friends to death irl

[sick sentinel]

"no non-frens" 🙂 💖

this is truly me

[orchid gulch]

I read French autonomous zone

[uneven mason]

Notice the shallow grave for non frens

[sick sentinel]

i hadn't thought of it this way before....

[mental scarab]

[icy citrus]

guys, since in lot of runs people dont interrupt sh*t, is it okay to change Indomitable for Disrupting shout? or something else

[hardy snow]

nah, let them die so maybe they will learn to interrupt

[jagged pier]

u dont drop indom

thats the dumbest thing to ever do

[icy citrus]

I agree 100%.. But i dont want to waste more time on those depletes xD

[hardy snow]

well, you could drop AM, I think thats worse XD

[icy citrus]

What is better then to drop?

Hmm

[jagged pier]

show of force

or dont take it

[hardy snow]

you can lose dmg by changing SoF to it, but its not worth it, its 1,5min cd

[verbal wren]

It's 1.5 min cooldown anyway, is it really going to save a run if people aren't interrupting at all?

[jagged pier]

its pointless to take

ppl just need to learn to intuprt

[hardy snow]

it will save you at one point, but wont save on the next point

[jagged pier]

its not hard

[icy citrus]

God bless your words

[mental scarab]

Run 4 warriors and pala healer SR and magic BoP no need to interupt shit

[sick sentinel]

2 warrior 2 dk 1 pala

then like i dunno drums or somethin

[remote venture]

Shaman Resto for Blood Lust

[sick sentinel]

there's only 3 things i look for immediately upon viewing or joining a pug

1: everyones ilvl basically
2: does this group naturally have lust and battle rez
3: IO, very easy to understand in 2023 wow.

and if too many of those boxes are not ticked i do not join, i cancel or i leave group very early

[shell mortar]

Ye about that

[sick sentinel]

people been saying that shit for 19 god damn years now

[shell mortar]

In all fairness in most dungeons there's not enough important kicks to warrant disrupting shout anyways. Only keys where it can have good value are NO, RLP, maaaaybe HoV and maaaaaybe AA heavily depending on what you're pulling

Obviously the higher the key level and the more casters in group the more disrupting shout goes up in value

[sick sentinel]

cant dps dh do silence aoe

[shell mortar]

No, only tanks

[sick sentinel]

i just call them dps dh cuz i will NEVER EVER remember the name scheme for tank vs dps for dh

[shell mortar]

Personally, I only pick up disrupting shout on fort weeks NO and RLP, but that's also only because of what I'm pulling

[sick sentinel]

shame you cant disarm the annoying ranged hunter bow men in HOV NO

so that you can also force it to melee clump so it can be killed easily and not start targeting the healer randomly >.>

[shell mortar]

Just move movable mobs around/to immobile ads

[sick sentinel]

then it does the hunter dis engage leap backwards

[shell mortar]

Ye and you move again

That's kind of your job

[sick sentinel]

so im already thinking about, kicks, blocking aggro radius if theres more trash around and then have to also think about where jump mob will go... got it.... (only joking)

[shell mortar]

Don't think, just do

Mobs not grouped = angry tank noises

[sick sentinel]

they do that disengage back jump crap to a bad spot and its just like, roll my eyes angrily at it

[shell mortar]

Pro top is to go somewhere close where you can LoS if a mob is pissy about moving

That way you'll force it to run to you

Works with casters that aren't getting interrupted either

[sick sentinel]

bad habit of doing that in alot of games, "corner pulling" and "door fighting"

exactly what it sounds like

[shell mortar]

Well it works

Real life too

[sick sentinel]

yeah well, real life has real life physics

[shell mortar]

Same rule applies, you're putting yourself in an advantageous position, forcing your opponent to do something they don't want to

[outer thorn]

true, I was about to get written up at my job but I stayed out of my boss line of sight so I got to keep my job

[round pendant]

Would you look at that, ret gets nerfed

[shell mortar]

Exactly.

[dusky canopy]

Good riddance

[slim dove]

3% wyow

[round pendant]

people love downplaying their specs and then blizzard come along and say yep they're overperforming

every time

even if it's only a little

[frosty sapphire]

Ret was wild

[slim dove]

still is

[frosty sapphire]

I saw them out dps a 412 item level shadow priest and they're in like greens and timewalking gear

[slim dove]

thats probably on the sp misplaying

[frosty sapphire]

Idk it could've been

[slim dove]

or key level so low that hes going into packs without crash

[frosty sapphire]

Still was wild

It was LFR

[slim dove]

yeah sp afk i imagine

[proper roost]

412 spriest in lfr, definitely a peak performance gamer

[slim dove]

when i do lfr for mog i hit the boss 2-3 times then go on my phone

[tropic gorge]

First brood attempt for my guild was last night (heroic). Our best was a phase 2 28 percent wipe. Good prog!

[frosty sapphire]

Nice!

She's fun but hard if you have a bad tank

I did one and it was just miserable because our tank was just running her all over

[tropic gorge]

Me and the other guy are pretty good so we don't have tank issues thankfully

Had a hunter keep running their staff beam into me. That was annoying. I was popping eggs and moving.
I gotta get them to understand to stop running their staff beam into me

[frosty sapphire]

Just yell at them 🤣

That works on me

[tropic gorge]

We are using the method egg map for routing

[frosty sapphire]

Or have the priest lasso him

[tropic gorge]

It's easy peasy

Lmao

[frosty sapphire]

Man that ability is so troll

[icy citrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t3vz6YCWNrPJRDhy/#fight=1

this looks good now?

[verbal wren]

It's better, still more unblocked than you want, but a lot better

like you had a few gaps in the last pull again in SB uptime

but also just make sure mobs aren't shuffling around the side of you to get in back arc

[sick sentinel]

90% or greater is what you need, what you want is 95%, right now

you have 83.88% im not much better, i usually average like 90.0%

[dusky canopy]

Better but needs more

[icy citrus]

What would be a reason behind that. Too much IP or Revenge?

[sick sentinel]

but, like people say, its not only that you are turing shield block on, but also turning yourself and shield towards enemies

so shield block 100% uptime translates into 100% blocked melee hits

[dusky canopy]

More shield slam, more revenge

[icy citrus]

Thats a good point also, yes

[verbal wren]

If you are using rage for IP that should have gone to SB, then yes, too much IP

SB is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP in priority

Remember you don't lose the added time if you SB early

it adds to the timer

so don't feel like you have to get it right at the last second or something

[remote venture]

With Sheild Charge talent, you can have SB off cd all the time and dont miss the SB buff

[dusky canopy]

Also

Fix your talents

Thunderlord De syncs demo and SC

No battering ram is real bad

[sick sentinel]

main thing he is missing is punish really

[dusky canopy]

You don’t have punish

Battle scarred veteran sucks

[sick sentinel]

im not so sure about down left of SC

[dusky canopy]

You don’t need aegis pretty much anywhere use the other option

[sick sentinel]

i dunno how manadatory that is compared to the down right one

[uncut helm]

Battering ram is good investment.

[icy citrus]

Really? Thats is a surprise for me

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't work right

[dusky canopy]

It procs when you don’t need it to

[uncut helm]

Bsv procs in weird ways. It's not cheat death.

[sick sentinel]

it goes off at times that are not correct

[dusky canopy]

Use noms recommend M+ build in the pins of this channel

[icy citrus]

Also question, sync of demo and SC is more valuable then overall more demos with Thunderlord?

[shrewd grove]

Yes

[modern brook]

its more that battering ram is more valuable than the extra demos gained from tlords

keeping them synced is a nice side effect

[lusty tiger]

why are there 109 taunt casts?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[dusky canopy]

The man likes to taunt not a bad habit

[sick sentinel]

he.... was establishing dominance

[icy citrus]

hahaha

[frosty sapphire]

Sometimes you gotta hold threat

[sick sentinel]

for real though, casting odd taunt or so isn't such a bad idea

[tropic gorge]

I use taunt as a last resort. Or on pulls in groups with big dps

I'm still in the old habit of avoiding taunt dr

[sick sentinel]

it makes your threat i don't want to give the wrong numbers but i think it gives 400% threat for 4s

on the guy you used single taunt on

[lusty tiger]

but why

SS is enough

[modern brook]

Who uhhh cares?

[ruby vortex]

i feel like ret pallies are my biggest cause-of-taunts atm

[modern brook]

it doesnt matter lol

[sick sentinel]

bursty boys on pull of boss is why

[modern brook]

its not like hes pulling off a cotank in a key

[lusty tiger]

i just

[modern brook]

keep aggro is one of our 3 things we have to do

[lusty tiger]

maybe taunt is macro'd to something

[sick sentinel]

yes, but the bursty boy can have giga crits

and now hes got giga aggro

[lusty tiger]

but if youre needing to taunt to keep aggro you are having positional or rotational issues

you CAN taunt a lot but im trying to get to the bottom of why

[sick sentinel]

more shield slam, i agree

[modern brook]

smh

i cant believe im digging intoa key log now to show taunts :/

[lusty tiger]

4.6/min

i mean

thats like 3 per trash pack

[sick sentinel]

heroic throw if you really need to get aggro on some add

[naive panther]

pumping on a ret personally and rarely get threat, and it's giga damage even after nerf

[lusty tiger]

ill check my war

[sick sentinel]

it does dmg at least and does extra threat

[lusty tiger]

no damage

[naive panther]

The times I use taunt when tanking are picking up a stray add, or aoe taunt if I don't have something that can hit everything at once

[lusty tiger]

i taunted 10x in a 21 AA

[icy citrus]

lets hear it, i need a back up here

[remote venture]

Taunt are not on GCD right? So not bad spamming it

[modern brook]

its not macro'd nor does he need it to keep aggro

my guy just likes pressing taunt

[lusty tiger]

why are you taunting so much? it depending on reason it could be bad or it could be harmless

[sick sentinel]

big taunt is something i always use at the start of a large pull

[icy citrus]

well its an old habbit from old days of wotlk when threat was garbage

[sick sentinel]

just incase

[minor helm]

Get help

[lusty tiger]

so youre taunting nothing?

[naive panther]

Hmm I might taunt one or two times. the AA I did last night as ret the prot paladin pulled everything but one lasher pack. I was dang near 200k dps up until shortly before vex

[icy citrus]

no, i focus on lets say 2 mobs, and press taunt on third

[naive panther]

that was 600k most of the pull, its silly its like feral druid damage

like tree boss being 250k

[lusty tiger]

you are losing threat on off targets?

[icy citrus]

we wil never find out if i would lose it ^^

[naive panther]

just shield slam something if someone's hitting it hard

like priority targets you should be shield slamming

[lusty tiger]

i would not spend brainpower on taunting

[naive panther]

like nok first trash packs, I got aggro on the big dude when that's our priority for dps cause bolster

the tank obviously wasn't priority on it

[lusty tiger]

do your nameplates indicate threat?

[naive panther]

run tiny threat,

[tropic gorge]

Nah just use plater. It'll color mobs for threat

One and done

[icy citrus]

yes i am using this

[naive panther]

or something and you should be way higher threat and not need to taunt as a precaution, that's silly

[tropic gorge]

Ezpz

[sick sentinel]

i'll attempt to see how many times i did taunt last dungeon i ran

[tropic gorge]

I've never gotten details to add dps to plater. But aside form that I've had good results with plater

[modern brook]

@icy citrus throw ravager before you charge

[lusty tiger]

^

[modern brook]

your avatars w/ cooldowns are also all over the place

nevrmind i take that back i didnt see the CC

[sick sentinel]

thats for a 16 sbg one of my keys

[tropic gorge]

So serious question there yogi

What are you taunting, and why

I could see throwing one out on boss pulls in the case of crazy dps

[modern brook]

im going to go insane if we keep talking about taunts holy shit 😦

[sick sentinel]

spooders

apparently

[remote venture]

Do you use marco for taunt and charge? I never use taunt. Only Challange shout when it get messy with a pool

[lusty tiger]

12 taunts

[tropic gorge]

Between tc and revenge aoe threat really shouldn't be much of an issue

[lusty tiger]

12 taunts in normal

i can think of 12 times youd wanna taunt in sbg

[tropic gorge]

I could see aoe taunt for some packs in sbg

[sick sentinel]

skitterlings cuz taunt has the longest range

[tropic gorge]

Taunt and throw have the same range

[sick sentinel]

so, its a time save that one

[minor helm]

Start flaming your guild start some drama like fury

[tropic gorge]

And titanic if taken will basically taunt a pack for you

[sick sentinel]

tuant is instant

[tropic gorge]

So is throw

[sick sentinel]

projectile wait time

[remote venture]

But throw deal dmg and can be hit multiable?

[sick sentinel]

i only tried TT a few times

[lusty tiger]

so uhh how were your mornings?

[strong forum]

TT kinda owns

but ive not played it in forever cuz somehow i dont have enough points for it

[sick sentinel]

not in any keys that i ran at least

[icy citrus]

Nom will now tell why taunting is important, even 4.6 times per minute

[sick sentinel]

nom

we have some guy if u scroll up

taunted over 100 times

in im not sure

[dusky canopy]

I usually have to taunt when I’m with a ret, fury, hdh

But like not over 100 times

[strong forum]

literally just macrod to smth

[lusty tiger]

(((:

[sick sentinel]

he macros it to all his rotation abilities prolly

[modern brook]

the biggest issues:

1. talents are weird - punish is insane for a 1 point node, BSV does nothing unless you're being particularly cute (you're not) battering ram > Tlords, we've talked about this earlier
2. fuckin spell block dark claw bro. ate like 9 of them for free.
3. block in general could use some work, im guessing its a positioning/how you're pulling thing just form the replay, hard to tell without actual vods.

[icy citrus]

What if i tell you there isnt even one macro with taunt

[modern brook]

IDK why everyones hung on this taunt thing

who cares

[strong forum]

thats powerful

[sick sentinel]

its a sign of bigger problem or over looking something entirely isn't it

[lusty tiger]

it means other things are going wrong and hes focusing on the wrong objectives on any given pull

[strong forum]

pressing it literally on cd

[modern brook]

no

[icy citrus]

close to that, yeah

[modern brook]

it means hes pressing it on cooldown

its doing nothing

its just inflating his cpm

[sick sentinel]

yeah, if you do big SS crits or just normal hits with SB up, you'll get aggro

[modern brook]

which is fine at like 69 if you take it out

[lusty tiger]

spell reflect is also being hit off CD

which is mostly ok

[lusty tiger]

if you feel like you need something to press, press revenge

dont press ip under 60 rage

basically you want to always have enough rage to 2x revenge in case you get unlucky on a SS proc

[dusky canopy]

69 taunt casts or bust

[lusty tiger]

im bustin

[dusky canopy]

[icy citrus]

well, will try to lower my taunt usage since this brought a lot of noise here 😂

[icy citrus]

also well said, thanks for that

[modern brook]

smh

fuck thm

you should keep taunting on cd

and challenging shout more too 😠

[strong forum]

its not bad perse, its just kinda useless to use taunt multiple times on the very same enemy after 3 uses

cuz itll be taunt immune

[icy citrus]

i am a big patron of disrupt. shout so dont tell that twice :d

[strong forum]

also, its useless to taunt and then do 0 dmg to the target

[modern brook]

I mean lets be clear

95% of these taunts are completely pointless

they're just also not warranting discussion - its not bandaiding poor dps, its not interupting your rotation

its not macrod

its just superfluous

[wicked plank]

Is it worth to craft 418 boots haste versa vs boot 415 haste crit + avoidance ?

[strong forum]

ilvl is king

[modern brook]

the real question there is "is there a slot i can craft that would be more beneficial than upgrading my boots to 418s"

[wary spire]

I will start tanking

[modern brook]

to which sim.

[wicked plank]

Nop, then craft I guess ?

[modern brook]

gz on the upgrade

[sick sentinel]

anyone else just flopping first pack in AV? after fury's get bolstered

[naive panther]

you can split that pull if you have to

[sick sentinel]

i mean i suppose

[modern brook]

Their buff can/should be dispelled and their frontals need to be stunned

though i imagine you're doing that already

[left basalt]

This discord is a godsend, almost 400 M+ points in 2 weeks since I joined, probably hitting 2400 tonight 🙂

[modern brook]

[amber siren]

[brave temple]

what are we looking at being strongest tank next patch?

[stable valve]

Prot warrior

[amber siren]

mans out here with secret tech the rest of us don't know about

[brave temple]

[modern brook]

uts between bdk war and protadin tbh

the rest of the tanks are agi

[sick sentinel]

Is heroic icon any good?

[modern brook]

better than normal icon, worse than mythic

[strong forum]

[rain scaffold]

I need the macro lords to help me out here.

I'm trying to make a one button macro for the complete off chance that our tank dies that will allow me to tank temporarily until a battle rez can go out.

So far: This works, it keeps me in defensive stance and if I press it again to activate shield block and all that jargen, it will ensure that I stay in Defensive Stance.

What I'm trying to do is make it so that if I'm already in defensive stance, it won't cast "Defensive stance" a second time. There's a 3 second cooldown but if anyone knows of a macro that does this:

Checks if I'm in defensive stance
Ignores casting it even if I press this button.

[strong forum]

i think you need to slam in
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance

could be wrong tho

[rain scaffold]

gonna try now, thank you my liege.

[strong forum]

some kind of variation of that

should work

[rain scaffold]

You are a literal god. THANK YOU

[sick sentinel]

all groups wanna have that trinket now. Its like people are handicaped without it

[modern brook]

well you running it gives them stats so

[sick sentinel]

Thats the same conclusion i can reach also

The thing is, people act like it makes player impaired without it

[lusty tiger]

I mean

If there was an enhance in your raid

You would feel impaired without em in your group

[modern brook]

im just impaired bro

[lusty tiger]

Tru

Same

[sick sentinel]

but on 5 man groups its irrelevant

[lusty tiger]

Never the same after my state mandated labotomy

[amber siren]

assuming the 3 buff, icon is bis for pretty much every spec

idk what groups youre running that -require- it to be invited though

[lusty tiger]

Why?

[sick sentinel]

pretty much every 25+ key group

[amber siren]

then yeah, that's why they're asking for it. top tier content wants top tier gear

[sick sentinel]

Its not mandatory right? Its helpful.
By that logic you cant play content without it.

[lusty tiger]

All 800 people doing +25 keys

[sick sentinel]

Is wanting equal to necessary?

[sick sentinel]

Yea but lets assume you can't funnel the trinket. Are you excluded from said content?

[amber siren]

25+ key territory is meta classes, 4 piece tier, getting every edge you can

idk what to tell you dude

[strong forum]

r1 group literally doesnt have a tank icon

[lusty tiger]

Yes it’s viable to assume without top .09% gear you might be pushed out of too .09% content

Not that you can’t do it

[sick sentinel]

My point. But i didnt want to go that far.

[strong forum]

perfectly illustrates the point

[amber siren]

r1 group also isn't a pug

[strong forum]

i guess

but like, icon doesnt have an impact on your pickability

or shouldnt

[lusty tiger]

But why would a pug group want to invite people “under-geared” for the content if you will

[amber siren]

realistically it shouldn't

but pug invite rules are wild so

[lusty tiger]

^

[strong forum]

nobody in that key range cares about gear

[sick sentinel]

I dont think its under-geared, but also not tournament realm picked gear.

[strong forum]

you got ~420 ilvl and score? good enough for 26s

remember pug rules becomes worse and worse the lower you go

not higher

[lusty tiger]

Are u on azralon or ragnaros?

[sick sentinel]

With 5-man premade its fine. Our doorknob mage can play well even without bis stuff, but when you look into pugs it worsens fastly.

[sick sentinel]

I dont have a death wish, no.

[lusty tiger]

I don’t agree with the pug rule but I could understand it

[amber siren]

that's what i figured but requiring icon is a new one for me

[dusky canopy]

Yo post the working macro! I’m going to kop that one if you dont mind.

[modern brook]

no faith in tanks anymore smh

[sick sentinel]

I have no faith in common sense in gaming communities. Everything is solved by a weakaura lol

[strong forum]

thats a take

[sick sentinel]

We are one step way from a weakaura to warn the player to tie the shoes.

** Adventurer, your shoes are untied. Don't place the keystone**

[lusty tiger]

We have that with talents and buffs

[sick sentinel]

Kinda we do.

[dusky canopy]

Nah

The whole WA argument is a joke

[lusty tiger]

Weakauras are fine only because blizzard does such a shitty job actually showing information about their own game

[sick sentinel]

Its not a argument, it was just thrown in there.

[dusky canopy]

The WA still requires you to use brain power an recognize what it’s telling you

[sick sentinel]

Same with light signals in the street.

[dusky canopy]

Slap a WA on a noobs screen and they’ll ignore it almost entirely

[strong forum]

game is balanced around it

[sick sentinel]

golden words

[lusty tiger]

Yea it’s pretty lazy

[dusky canopy]

This is the problem of the WA

Not that they provide information

[strong forum]

but even then, 99% of the game dont require any kind of WA

theyre at best QoL

[sick sentinel]

Laughs in archimonde weakauras

[strong forum]

those are banned

[sick sentinel]

• now *

[strong forum]

that level of weakaura isnt possible anymore

its blizzards fault for designing degen mechanics

[sick sentinel]

I know, they learned from mistakes. But still.

[strong forum]

look at jailer bombs

[sick sentinel]

Degenerate boss fights

[strong forum]

that shit isnt properly doable without the WA

3sec reaction time to organise 6 people in a cone

[lusty tiger]

Well there are things you need to know- have you spent enough rage for outburst? Does your party have bshout? Is a frontal being cast on you in a pack of 15?

[strong forum]

without double upping bombs

[sick sentinel]

gl

[strong forum]

GL with that

[tropic gorge]

At that point tho, with jailer bombs they had to be thst difficult because so many used a wa to just do it

[dusky canopy]

WAs that play the game for you are a problem, not ones that provide QoL information

[tropic gorge]

Hopefully the addons arms race calms down with the new methods blizz has to keep them from seeing mechanics

[dusky canopy]

Let’s hope the mechanics equally tone down with the change as well

Imagine noms example of jailor without the WA

[tropic gorge]

I think they will

[strong forum]

issue is that blizz encounter designers tried to one-up addons each time, instead of doing fun bosses

[uncut zephyr]

Jailer bombs on heroic weren't really a problem without addons, difficult mechanics necessitate weakauras not the other way around

[strong forum]

now with the addon change that shit hopefully changes

[lusty tiger]

This tbh

[strong forum]

they fought fire with fire

[modern brook]

whats the addon that tells me what you kicked ?

is that a wa?

ban that shit

[strong forum]

details does that

[modern brook]

ban details

[dusky canopy]

Well right they intend for the high end content to be difficult if an addon makes it’s significantly less difficult they have to break it or step up difficulty

They chose to step up difficulty for quite a while

Instead of “breaking WAs” so to speak

[strong forum]

painsmith was liked by alot of people

and weakauras were useless there

🙂

[lusty tiger]

Yea WAs are directing the raid how to synchronized swim at this point

[dusky canopy]

Agreed

[uncut zephyr]

Fatescribe was the actual dumbest boss

[lusty tiger]

I hated painsmith tbh

[strong forum]

just design fun bosses

[dusky canopy]

Painsmith was my best log

[strong forum]

not this 4d chess bullshit

[modern brook]

"HARK comrades, cowgoesmoo-tichondrious has interrupted the vile FireCasterMob's Fireball of Ancient Doom, REJOICE in mine splendor"

[uncut zephyr]

like I don't see how you assign fatescribe groups on the fly without a wa to just do it for you

would need to like pause the fight for 10 seconds

[strong forum]

technically, you can do that if people possess a brain

quite easily

but uh

requires people to have decision making skills of their own

[modern brook]

we cant even get people to walk to a rock correctly

[lusty tiger]

Painsmith (at least by the time fated was out) had a pretty useful weakaura

[dusky canopy]

The issue is people do not all have equal levels of brain power to direct to a quick decision like that

[ruby vortex]

idk if gnomes are the same, but i needed a WA last night when my vulpera wouldn't move to clear thundering

[dusky canopy]

That’s kind of the point of the WA

Levels out the thought required

[rain scaffold]

No problem dude I hope it works for you - Last night on a 22 AV as a Fury Warrior I managed to swap into this and lived through a 22 Bolstered Ice Cutter Cast, no clue how. But it does work.

[modern brook]

you can item swap in keys?

[rain scaffold]

You can item swap /weapons/ only.

[modern brook]

ahhh

[dusky canopy]

Weapon slots

Rogues do that stuff on the regular

[rain scaffold]

I don't think you can swap trinkets but yes I successfully swapped from 2 2h's to 1 2h and a shield

[dusky canopy]

Weird tech

[modern brook]

i wouldnt know

u used to be able to swap everything in legion

was very funny

[rain scaffold]

We were fucking wheezing about this

[dusky canopy]

Like could you copy the macro text into chat for me or feel free to Dm it

[rain scaffold]

Gotcha bro.

[dusky canopy]

“Just block it”

This is the way

[ruby locust]

[rain scaffold]

#showtooltip Defensive Stance
/equipslot 17 Flame Marshal's Bulwark
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Taunt

[dusky canopy]

Thanks guy!

[rain scaffold]

If you're berserker stance is your main thing, here's the swap back:

#showtooltip Berserker Stance
/equipslot 17 Obsidian Seared Crusher
/equipslot 18 Obsidian Seared Crusher
/cast [stance:1]!Berserker Stance
/cast Onslaught

Casting Onslaught is optional it's just so I have a one button thing to re-enrage

[dusky canopy]

Works for me appreciate it

[lime urchin]

🙂

[strong forum]

thats not a choice

[lime urchin]

no but its a juicy vault

[lusty tiger]

Next things he’s gonna be like “I already have a 421 strike twice”

[modern brook]

gz on strike thrice

[lime urchin]

thank you

maybe I need to make time to play again then!

[modern brook]

if you start playing you stop getting loot

so

[lime urchin]

this is their algorthym to get people to play again, right

[sharp forge]

Just wondering from my fellow Prot warriors is there a haste % or number that you strive to try and keep? or just go off top items sims say to run?

[wheat granite]

Guys is there some calculations how defensive dmg reduction stacks? For example how much damage reduction on a magic spell do I have when I use Shield Wall Demo Shout and Spell Reflect. They dont all just simply add up, right?

[toxic gyro]

Which route would you guys recommend for this week in av 24? One with frogs or 100% before 2nd boss?

[verbal wren]

always frog. what does a bolstered frog do? still nothing

Just yell at everyone until they stack in melee with you

[tranquil vine]

I always run frog on fort weeks, very rarely do frog skip even on Tyr

[dusky canopy]

Right right take a two week break next vaults is juicy guaranteed

[wary spire]

is the mage tower easier on brew or prot, those are the 2 tanks i have lol

[dusky canopy]

You have to learn the fight regardless

I’d do it on witchever tank you’re more comfortable on

[modern brook]

they're multipliers

[sinful glen]

Anyone have a good resource for how the Aberrus fights/S2 M+ dungeons are looking for tanks? Trying to decide between PWar and Blood.

[twin bramble]

New to tanking and trying to learn routes. Anyone know how people bypass the group I circled in blue?

[lusty tiger]

%wise or pathing wise?

[twin bramble]

Pathing

[lusty tiger]

well that is multiple groups for starters

[twin bramble]

Aren’t those two guys on bottom just sitting at door?

[lusty tiger]

the sentinel by the entrance is a patrol

but you should be able to pass everything with invis pot, shroud, or mind soothe

[twin bramble]

Ooo. Gotcha. So people are using stuff. So not very pug friendly route?

[lusty tiger]

no route where someone could easily ass pull a pack is pug friendly

[twin bramble]

Hahaha. Appreciate the response. Is there a good way to find pug friendly routes to try to get into m+? Or just dig thru keystoneguru

[lusty tiger]

you could make one, or just look on keystone guru

[tranquil vine]

What I do is I pull the guys closest to the door and the sentinel (if I can) then you can sneak behind the kegs to get to the three before sneaking upstairs

[lusty tiger]

or just make a small edit on a keystone guru route

routes are a balancing act of: big pulls, easy pathing, enough kicks/stops for trash mechanics, and easy %age

[twin bramble]

Thanks for the response. Just wasn’t sure if there are pug standard routes. Coming from ff14 where party finder had organized chaos to a single strat

[toxic gyro]

If you hug wall sentinel doesn’t pull, but I would not recommend it in pugs

[tranquil vine]

The idea is that the tank leads the route however I've had some DPS decide what I pull and I hate it

I like bigger pulls so I tend to ignore easy % in Fenryr's room and pull most of the stuff in the main room. I may have to adjust in higher keys but have yet to find that issue

[twin bramble]

I may just start with a random keystoneguru route to learn then as I get a feel for things I don’t like, just make my own spin offs in mythic dungeon tools.

[toxic gyro]

I had that happen yesterday when I was helping my girlfriend’s alt, hunter decided to be a hero and help with route. I didn’t stop casts on purpose and we wiped in hov.

[tranquil vine]

Nice. I had a hunter decide what I pulled in NO. If I didn't need the key, he'd have been tanking those pulls

[twin bramble]

Hah

[toxic gyro]

He watched too much mdi. Was kicking wrong mobs too.

[tranquil vine]

Ew

[toxic gyro]

I was marking them mobs with skull to kick

Most were missed anyway

[tranquil vine]

I have an automarker, there are few set mobs I mark myself but a lot of them I use my automarker for

[toxic gyro]

I don’t believe if I assigned them to marks in the beginning they would follow

Instead I was marking one mob for them to stop and I dealt with the rest

[tranquil vine]

Makes sense

I make sure I mark one of the two elites at the end of SBG for priority. We still cleave them but with priority marking it makes it a lot easier. Interrupts I rely on my marker

and then call out stuff in voice (not great for pugs but whatever. I do most of my keys in groups)

[tropic gorge]

So a dude just handed me this.

My weekend has suddenly gotten more fun

[sweet summit]

wtf is that

[lusty tiger]

it is a 250ml jar of pure LSD

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOOOOO

[modern brook]

its a jar of piss

[lusty tiger]

is that a wooden dashboard?

[crystal mauve]

Looks like a jar of piss to me tbh

[modern brook]

thats cause it is

[lusty tiger]

u guys must drink a lot of water

[modern brook]

source: i handed it to him

[crystal mauve]

Gotta stay hydrated friend 💧

[lusty tiger]

its hard on creatine, caffeine, and vitamins to get clear piss imma be honest

[modern brook]

just drink more water 4head

[lusty tiger]

yea i need to be over a gallon/day

[crystal mauve]

If you have the proper amount of each you shouldn’t piss too much of it, might be worth double checking how much your body needs

[lusty tiger]

i just take kre-alkalyn before and after lifts how am i supposed to know how much my body needs?